Five Postgame Takes
1. We’re tied for second place in the AFC West, and we are a mere yard wide of being alone in first place. The Norv era is officially underway in San Diego. The Chiefs are in a tailspin. The Broncos are two last-second field goals away from 0-3. There’s still a lot of work to be done. However, we have scored 20 or more points three times in three games after reaching the 20-point mark only four times last year. We’re not going 65 miles per hour yet, but the vehicle is out of the ditch and starting to gain momentum—and LaMont “Horsepower”
2. You didn’t hear a peep out of me regarding the ShanaRat timeout last week, and I have received karmic repayment.
3. I saw no dropoff with Culpepper, he gave me fewer scares than McCown in terms of decisions and accuracy, and he cured our red-zone drought (yes, that TD came via the run, but he set it up). I see more zip and precision with his throws. McCown does seem to be a bit more mobile, but I think Culpepper will put a bigger scare into defenses, which is why I would put him into the game next week, especially as it’s against the team that dumped him. I’m sure he’d love to feast at the table of payback.
4. Honestly, the prevent defense has been killing this team for a decade or more. Did you see the Browns ripping off 10 and 15-yard chunks on their last scoring drive? That drive was the poster child for a decade’s worth of prevent defenses. Then it got worse…In the words of NY Raider: “Our last defensive play was a hybrid of the prevent and no defense (and we even took a timeout to come up with that gem)!” Yeah, that was truly special. We literally had no one on the defensive line and still gave up a nearly lethal reception. Ludicrous. Prevent the prevent!
5. The haters will spin this to high hell. The same haters who said that the Broncos earned last week
posted by Raider Take at 5:53 PM
115 Comments:
hilarious: I was watching the highlights from the Green Bay/SD game and I noticed when Donald Driver scored and did the Lambeau Leap, he jumped right into the cheering arms of 2 fans in San Diego jerseys.
real true fans those san diegons
Take,
If I understand you correctly I would like to offer this small correction. We are actually one yard wide shy of being in first place by ourselves.
However, had Shanahan not pulled called his timeout last week Kiffin might not have thought about it today.
I am watching the replay as I type. Culpepper just went into the game on the tape.
Jordan had 129 more and even Fargas chipped in a few nice runs.
Schweigert still is having trouble tackling. On Clevelands final drive he miffed one bad on Winslow.
And I agree on the prevent defense. For three and a half quarters the defense was containing them. Then they just backed off. I don't get it, but I'll take this one.
H
Bama7
RT, there is nothing in football I hate more than the prevent defense. Unless you're up by two or more scores with less than 2 minutes it makes no sense and rarley ever works. Unable to see the game... did we blitz any?
Blitzing: yes, but not enough.
H - Yes! Thanks, I'll correct that.
By the way, we had almost a twelve minute advantage in TOP. Jano was dead on, even from the dirt.
The Williams fumble and the bad kick coverage kept the game closer than it should have been.
But as I said before, I'll take it.
H
Remember the Dolphins were the team that had their security personally escort Culpepper off the field during one of their minicamps. How embarrasing is that for a professional athlete to be personally escorted off the field during practice? You think Daunte has forgotten how he was treated? I smell a revenge game next week.
man, mike williams had a real crappy game.
ronald curry is definitely the #1 receiver.
we have NO pass rush!
if kirk morrison keeps this up, he's goin' to hawaii in '08.
otherwise, it was a good game. we finally closed one out.
Kiffin took a small dig at the officials and Shanahan. When he told the official he was wanted to take the timeout before the snap. Here is the quote:
"I told him I was going to call it, and he gave me the 'You're going to have to give me the signal,'" Kiffin said. "I guess I don't have as many years in the league as Mike. I got it in a second later than I wanted, but it worked out."
The camera was on Kiffin showing him set to make the call.
H
I'm not ready to come down on Mike Williams. I still think he'll be ok. He really got popped on that one drop. Props to Madsen. We actually have a pair of TEs... imagine that.
Schweigert is not doing his job. He's not an instinctive player; he's a fair to poor tackler; and he probably should have had a late game interception, had he been playing the ball.
While ideal, our base four D-line is not equipped to place enough pressure on opposing QBs (particularly w/out Burgess). We need more blitzing.
The last play where all players dropped off the line has to be a first in the NFL, or any organized football. If I ever see that play again it will be too soon... no matter what the score.
Higgins and Carr are more than capable... now if we could just block on special teams we'd be all set.
Say farewell to Andrew Walter... a good guy and a decent QB. Sorry it didn't work out bud. Best of luck with your new team. Next game, Russell is in uniform.
I really need an answer on this one. I've had my doubts, I've held my tongue (for the most part), but WHY are you all SO in love with Daunte?
D. Culpepper 8/14 118 0 0
J. McCown 6/12 108 1 0
Josh is out there, playing with injury, marshalling the team down the field. Daunte goes in, rides on Jordan's coat tails and we sing his praises? WTF?
I hope Josh starts next week. The kid plays with heart.
Is it too early to pick a fight? :)
Why did it post me as anon? Strange.
If you were unsure, it was me, the Pope, defending the QB from the great state of Texas.
Go Raiders!
BrainDead or just a sleep.....i was still posting on the other thred wondering where everyone went.....so now I copy-post it here....
PantyRaider said...
We cheated and I'm glad we did....
The dogs kicked the field goal at the end of regulation for a 27-26 Vict....or.....wait a moment....the Dreaded Raiders-o-da-darkSide called a Time-Out....they have to win twice....but can they....NOOOOOO....the Raiders knew the play and were able to block the kick.....the Raiders win....the Raiders win....the Raiders win.....but we cheated...
So what's next....a team is about to punch the ball over the gole line for a TD but a time-out is taken right before the ball is hiked.....now the "D" knows the play....can they do it again.....NOOOOO.....thye "D" makes a stand and will win the game.....so you have to beat us twice to win the game....
Just like playing Pool or Call-Shot Basketball....can you prove that shot....if not it doesn't count.....Cheating is leagle in the freaken NFL.....
This is now Cole Pepper's team and his job to loose....I admit I liked seeing McClown limp off the field....if Cole Pepper had played the whole game it would not have been close....
180yds Rushing
395yds toltal "O"
2 TO's
This feels so great....I can't remember how good it felt the last time we won....Pitts "06" was so long ago....
PantyRaider.....CheatenHeart!!
Jano....
My 34 year old daughter after having 2 of my Grandchildren could play more agressive than your 260# Pile-o-Blubber"....learn how to tackle....I remember when you were drafted you were an agressive tackeler out there....what the hell happened....that was ugly.....and why the "Squib" kick that gave the dogs the ball at the 40yd line....was that planed.....
But OK....you were 4-4 scored 14 points and kicked off into the end-zone.....
Both TO's were McClowns fault....INT-n-Fumbled Exchange
Cole Pepper had (0) Zero TO's and controlled the clock....is that called "Game Management"....he was 8-14 and had one sack where he did not make the mistake and throw the ball away....I Love You man!!!!!
We were cheated out of a fumble at our gole line....Hay Kiffin....remember you have a RED FLAG in your pocket....
Small Neg's(-) to look at but all-n-all I'm happy with the victory.....this team has a lot of heat.....
TurnerSyndrone is alive in SD
Donko's.....2-1
Raiders.....1-2
Jolts.......1-2
Squaws......1-2
Next Week.....
Raiders @ Fish
Donko's @ Ind
Squaws @ Jolts
Raiders will be tied for first place in the west with the Donko's -n- Jolts and the Squaws will be delivering Jolts Babies after being Raped......
PantyRaider....AFC West Prediction!!!!
AnnoAss:
You lost twice....Your Pussy Boys in their Burgandy-n-Gold panties and your MuleHeads with their Tails between their legs after the WildCats Clawed the hell out of them.....the Donkies had nothing left after being "Spanked" by the Raiders last week.....they only won because of oficial help....the same way the Raiders won today....but we are men enough to admit it.....not like some weak punk-ass bitch like you....
PantyRaider....Donko's-n-Winners are Dead!!!!!
finally, finally, finally, someone steps up to make a play in the 4th quarter. thank you special teams.
as for the defense. was rob ryan adopted ???
does buddy know his son is running a passive, stay at home, girlyman scheme ???
hey rob, wake up. put the heat on the qb for FOUR quarters. it works everytime.
it so simple, even a CAVEMAN can do it.
NYRaider....
Are you sure it will be walter who goes....we could not get much for him and he does not cost us much to have on the roster....
McClown is a little lame but showed some passing and running ability this season and may be good Trade-Bate....so for myself I hope he is the one who goes By-By....
"JRus" the Rustler will only have Cole Pepper standing in his way for the future Shoot'em Up....That makes for a better team without a QB contiversy....more stability....
BlandaRocked:
Are you writting more "Shoot'em Up" story for week #3....I am ready to read the next episode....
At the bar today I invited other Raider Fans to RT's site so maybe they will show up....we had alot of fun but now my voice is gone....
AnnoAss:
You made noise Friday-n-Staurday night and durring the game today but where the hell are you now.....hiden under momies skirt...you "Gutless Punk"....
PantyRaider....HappyMathah!!!!!
i agree with you on mccown panty. i too don't necessarily believe it will be walter. he's under contract and mccown is on a 1 year deal.
culpepper isn't THAT mobile anymore. he lost us big yardage on that sack. walter can at least move around in the pocket so who knows? mccown might be showcased for a trade BUT he's hurt right now. OOOHH what if its daunte thats traded? i think the nation would have al's head on a platter. stand by.....
So long Josh "don't call me Dolph Lundgren" Mcclown. Hello Culpepper!
BTW: With Mike Williams being so inconsistent, why was Travis Taylor released?
Go Raiders!!!
Donko's....
rushed for 50yds
allowed 180
Squaws....
rushed for 50yds
allowed 120yds
Jolts....
rushed for 70yds
allowed 40yds
Raiders...
rushed for 185yds
allowed 85yds
Do we see a new trend in the west...
"O"....
Donko's #6
Raiders #15
Jolts #27
Squaws #29
Rushing...
Raiders #3
Donko's #8
Jolts #30
Squaws #31
Passing...
Donko's #5
Jolts #19
Squaws #23
Raiders #26 -n- improving -w- Cole Pepper
Scoring...
Raiders #13
Jolts-n-Donko's #22
Squaws #29
"D"
Donko's #3
Squaws #4
Jolts #21
Raiders #25....WHY!!!!
PantyRaider....Interesting #'s!!!!
The most glaring problem with McCown is his accuracy. Even when he makes a rare completion he rarely hits the receiver in stride. Considering it is pretty obvious he only seems interested in dink-and-dunk passes, this fact seems pretty disconcerting.
If you want to see a text book dink and dunker, gather up some old footage of Gannon the SB season... he never made his receivers reach for any passes. You have to hit the receivers in stride to get the yards after carry... a dink and dunker is pretty useless otherwise.
That is why I favor Cpep over McCown. He can at least throw the ball deep.
Raiders are #10 in Sacks but last in Int's #32....
How do we understand our fall on the "D"....and how will it get fixed....we have preasure with the sacks but giving up too much ground and not enough TO's.....
PantyRaider....Fix-it!!!!
My view on Culpepper is that each week more and more "rust" will come off. Regardless of stats, which were fairly even btwn Culpepper & McCown, I just feel so much more confident & comfortable with Culpepper under center.
His velocity & accuracy is head and shoulders above McCown. I love McCown's competitive spirit but the guy has a squirt gun for an arm. Culpepper's deep passing ability will force the opponent's D to back off opening up all the intermeidate to shorter routes.
In regards to our D, I'm putting the blame squarely on Rob Ryan's shoulders. Putting pressure on the QB is the most basic element to a defense. If your front 4 is getting adequate pressure, then you need to creatively employ various blitz packages.
Why is Howard or Asomugha not used to blitz? Between Howard, Morrison, Huff, and Asomugha, there should be an opportunity to blitz these guys collectively 7 to 8 times per game as necessary.
I would love to get the stat for how many times we blitz per snaps. My guess is that we blitz less than 5% of the time. The Eagles blitz about 35%. Is it asking too much to blitz 10% of the time? 10% of 60 snaps = 6 blitz.
The bottom line is that our D has become too predictable. The QBs are able to go through their read progressions. Until our D dictates the action, it will continue to let other teams off the hook when down. I never thought I would say this about a Ryan but frankly, Rob is too damn conservative in his playcalling. He needs to start dialing up some good old fashion aggression. Cut the dogs of war loose.
Overall, the most pleasing aspect to the Kiffin era has been this teams competitive spirit. In all 3 games we have had the lead in the 4th quarter.
Game Balls:
D: Morrison, Howard, Warren
O: Jordan, Curry, Fargas, Madsen, OLine
ST: Lechler, SeaBass, Kelly
CalicoJack:
A question needs to be asked.....and I am not trying to rag on my team but I am really concerned and don't understand why we fell off on the "D" so fast....
Is Kiffen sticking his nose in the "D".....and if so....is that the reason we have lost so much ability.....
In the preseason Kiffen was taking an interest in the "D" and everyone thought that was a good sign....but maybe he shot us in the foot....this is NOT the "CaveMan" style "D" from last year....we have the same players....what the hell is the problem....
PantyRaider....Unsettled "D"!!!!!
I will say something else here....with the "O" playing so much better than last year our "D" should naturally be pinning their ears back and comming after the "O"s.....but we don't do it....playing so conservitive like we are afraid to give up the big play so we give up everything on the freaken field.....
PantyRaider....Just Fix It Baby!!!!
"O"....Overall
Lyons #3
Donko's #6
Browns #9
So has our "D" been tested by the best...next week...
Fish #14
PantyRaider....Hope!!!!
If anyone would have told me that the raiders would be 3rd in the NFL in rushing, and 5th in TOP after three games and STILL be just 1-2, Ida called them crazy.
The o-line has given up 9 sacks, not great, but compared to last year (didn't Morrison have that many in one game?) this team seems like a decent QB and a more aggressive defense from being a pretty decent team... perhaps dare I say a PLAYOFF caliber team????
Right now the biggest problem with this team is Rob Ryan. He has been awful with the defensive schemes. Yesterday was an utter disgrace at the end of the game. This boy better change his ways fast. Things are starting to fall into place and I'll be dammed if were gonna start losing close games because of this crap. No personnel on the d-line and they still get a completion and get out of bounds? This qb sucked the whole game and Ryan nearly put the game on a platter for him. He'd better get a talkin to. And a ultimatum.
RaiderMike
Panty,
Where are you getting your stats. The Raiders have 6 interceptins, tied for second. We have been intercepted 5 times which is near the bottom, but not last.
The defense played very well for three and a half quarters. Remember, Clevelands first half TD was a 99 yard kickoff return. Two fumbles led to 10 points on short fields I believe.
Jano started the day leading the league in touchbacks and improved on his number. It wasn't just the altitude last week. With the wind in his face he still got it to the 1, we just blew the coverage.
Morrison is second in the league with 3 interceptions, Howard is tied for third with 2.
Pope,
My problem with McCowan is his propensity to turn the ball over. Along with his five interceptions are two or three fumbles lost. Some may not have been his fault. He was blindsided on one yesterday, but we recovered that one.
I think, with Cullpepper there he may have been trying too hard to prove himself the starter. It can happen.
Our run defense is improving, Miami's is going down hill and we are third in the league in rushing.
Can you say "Tom Cable" boys and girls? I thought you could.
One fairly large problem in Miami could be the humidity. Our boys need to start hydrating on Saturday morning.
H
Panty-
I wouldn't anticipate McCown getting released. He's Kiffin's #1 choice. The fact that he's played with injury over a healthy Culpepper speaks volumes to that. Now, it's possible a deal is in the works to trade Culpepper today, but that would leave us too thin at QB.
I just don't think Kiffin likes Walter (i.e., his style of play). Walter disappeared from consideration weeks ago and Kiffin has more or less excluded Walter from any discussions about QBs.
Raider Mike-
"This qb sucked the whole game and Ryan nearly put the game on a platter for him."
That's a fair statement.
What happened to containment? We let the Browns have 10 yards of Raider-free field and wide open (left and right) sidelines... for what? A free kick!
Did Ryan figure we'd just ice the kicker (ala ShanaRat) and win? WTF
I bet the crowd went crazy when Culpepper came in the game. I wish I could have heard it but the volume was down on the TV at the bar. There seems to be more confidence in the O when Culpepper is in. Once he gets comfortable, look out. He's going to light it up. Now I'm more concerned about our D. We've got to blitz more. We gave up too many big plays, especially in that final drive. To paraphrase Joe Montana, Prevent defense, prevent you from winning.
Jordon's the man!
Anyone in the mood for tuna this weekend?
Go Raiders!!!
thefreakypope,
i like mccown, do not get me wrong. i agree the guy is a baller, and plays with his heart, and gives his best. he's competitive, he's an "on-the-fly" type of player, and he has a lot of guts.
at the same time, these are the qualities that get him into trouble; and are some of the reasons he makes poor decisions. i think that is do to inexperience though. jeff garcia was the same way in frisco, and thensat on the bench a few years before coming in for mcnabb last season, and now look at him. i think mccown is a few seasons away from that.
i agree with calico on culpepper, in that the more and more he plays, the more and more the "rust" will come off. but cj, not only do you feel more comfortable and confident when he's under center, the raiders offense feels the same. the reason why i say that is because of a couple reasons. 1. Culpepper has a stronger arm, and gets the ball to the receiver quicker. example, mccown under threw a wide open curry, who had to slow down to make the catch, for a td. it almost cost us a td. culpepper hit williams on the hands in a similar play, the difference is williams just flat out dropped it.
2. culpepper isn't going to throw a pass that may cause a receiver to get injured. example, the pass in the endzone that mccown threw to williams where he gets his clock rung. that had injury written all over it.
3. if we get the ball in the redzone twice, culpepper gets a td, whereas mccown set us up for 2 field goals.
again, i don't think it is anything mccown is doing wrong, but truly inexperience on his part. i thought mccown was a great pick up for us, and i think he will make a great qb in the near future. could even give us a qb controversy if we keep him long enough to backup jruss.
Pope, I personally prefer Culpepper over McCown for the simple reason is that Culpepper is a playmaker. McCown is a decent option, but you can see that he struggles to be as good as he his. His upside is nowhere near that of Culpepper. Or at least what we all hope Culpepper can be again.
A few of my own observations:
I only wish Schweigert had as much ball awareness as Morrison and Howard. The dude is unbelievably clueless and on the occasion when he IS in position to make a play, he misfires.
Morrison has been fantastic but, dude, just FALL on the ball when you're about to be tackled! That's the second time in two weeks that he's fumbled after an interception.
You can't say enough about the last-second timeout and Tommy Kelly's subsequent blocked FG attempt. For the first time in a long time, you saw a great coaching call. Sure, it was just done to Kiffin the week before, but he learned from it and utilized it against someone else...successfully. Also, you got to see fate treat the Raiders kindly. Just when it looked like the Raiders were about to let the game get away from them, Kelly breaks through the line (after the timeout) and blocks what would have been the game winning FG.
A great coaching call (with a touch of revenge), fate playing in our favor, and parlaying all that into successful execution to block a 40-yard field goal? Absolutely incredible.
Ok folks, four weeks ago Rob Ryan was a genius, now he's a idiot. Come on now. Let's be consistant.
I'll admit the "prevent" defense sucked. I've tried to understand why it's deployed for over 20 years now. And not just on the Raiders. Had Schweigert tackled Winslow in the fourth quarter this discussion wouldn't be taking place. I did notice that Ryan switched and put Huff on Winslow after the last wiff.
Our pass defense and rush defense numbers improved on both fronts Sunday. And this against a team that put up 50+ against a Bengals team run by a susposed defensive genius.
Only 88 yards total for the Brownies. The previous week Lewis had over 200 by himself and Anderson was over 100 yards less. Coverage was good, pressure wasn't Anderson had plenty of time and was still having trouble finding open receivers. That is until we went "prevent".
No win will be perfect. Let's enjoy this one.
By the way, the tight ends were utilized more on Sunday. Four completions one penalty on Cleveland and a couple more that were close. Masden looked great and Miller blocked like a three year veteran along with running good routes.
H
H
agree with your takes, RT. Here's a couple bonus takes:
1. Coach Lane needs to test the replay system--last week in Denver, looked like Bailey came down with second foot OB, no challenge. Yesterday, TV showed Mike Williams took two steps with ball before being drilled in EZ, no challenge [looked like a TD on TV replay].
2. About the D--I think the lack of blitzing is because the LBs are playing so well in space--look at the games Morrison and Howard are having. They are great vs. the pass and the run. I'm not excusing the D calls on the last series, especially the last play--Cleveland had no timeouts, they have to throw to the sideline and we don't defend the sideline--had to be a busted play.
3. D did a great job taking away Winslow [and Jurevicius for that matter]
4. There were alot of secondary breakdowns, alot of Browns receivers running open, Anderson just missed them.
5. Running game is tight. O-line is doing well, Griffith knocks people out, Jordan looks strong and quick.
6. grill me some fish with plenty o' Pepper!
A few random notes & stuff:
1) Jordan is on pace for 1,866 yards, has already passed his 2006 recieving totals, and has not fumbled. Round of applause to Cable, Kif, O-line and especially Jordan.
2) Silence. I'm just speachless at how good Morrison & Howard are.
3) I'd rather see BJ Ward than Stew at this point. He made Nnamdi look bad on that TD and generally just sucked, biting on every fake.
4) I won't bash Cole Pepper's mobility on the sack. He was in the dirt and couldn't cut well in his juke.
5) See Nate's 5:59 post on McCown. Echoed right here buddy.
6) G.Warren is our sack leader with 2.0 which is great for him, but horrible for the team. Burgess please get healthy. Or maybe we can play with 12 or 13 guys and Ryan can feel better about blitzing.
7) I've never seen a team so happy to be 1-2. Do they WANT to win? Bet your ass they do!
8) I was shocked to see Route start over Fabian and braced myself for 500 yards passing by a no-name. But surprisingly better results. Come to think of it, Fabe has been playing like sh*t and I think I had my S&B blinders on. Now if we manage to rush AT LEAST 3 on a play where we need to contain them to 10 yards and keep them inbounds, we're in business!
9) I hate dolphins, it's the gayest fish/mammal on Earth, and I hope global warming kills them all. I might even rtade my Camry in for a Hummer, we'll see how it goes.
Psycho
I don't know if I have any more of that western in me. The game spoke for itself. Instead, I might put up a few words regarding Culpepper over on BlandaRocked. If I have time today.
I agree with everything that has been said regarding the "prevent." And that isn't Kiffin, it's Ryan. He got away without being aggressive last year because our base four were so effective on making a push up the middle. They didn't always get a sack, but they disrupted the pass.
This year, he's not getting the same push from the front four (for whatever reason), at least not yet. But he's failing to adjust to that by throwing in blitzes.
I like Kiffin youth. That duplication of what Shanarat did last week was pure fun. Note that Kiffin threw in his own wrinkle. He set up a standard FG defense prior to the timeout, and the Browns put it through. Then after the time out, he directed an all out push up the middle. Post game interviews said that Kelly blocked it, being pushed from behind by Morrison. Kiffin utilized starters on this crucial play.
In retrospect, Kiffin's wry grin at the end of last week's game looks rather prescient. Dude takes the long view.
As Doobie said, fate (finally) played in our favor, not against us. I feel like a fever has broken after 11 straight losses.
In matters of offensive execution, playcalling and in-game decisions, the level of intelligence being displayed is light years ahead of last season. If we can cure the red zone blues, we'll be off and running...As long as our defense rediscovers its mojo.
P.S. Told you Schweigert was a mess. There's a sort of beheaded chicken quality to his play.
Don't get me wrong, I like Ryan's enthusiasm and the fact that his players love him. But even last year it seemed whenever a team needed a drive late or a score late they were able to get it. He has to improve his 4th qtr schemes. We are on are way back. We need to learn how to FINISH games. How to WIN games. As we all can see it starts with the coaches.The thing I love about Kiffin already is that he's not one of these guys who coaches "Not to lose". Now Ryan needs to get on that same page. He's an excellent defensive coach in qtrs 1-3. But as we all know NFL games come down to how you play on 3rd down (offensively and defensively), and how you play in the 4th qtr. If Ryan and the team improves in these areas this team will be good, maybe very good.
RaiderMike
Take,
Kiffin seems to be playing mind games with everyone especially Shanahan. The sly smile, his comment in the post game press conference (see my 6:56 PM post).
He also thanked the mule boy coach for that strategy.
Combine that with him asking the guy for tips and you have a man playing psychlogical warfare with the league.
The fish are 0-3 with a bad run defense (166 per game), tied with Denver, by the way, thanks in large measure to us.
Get the kick coverage straightened out and tweak the defense (find a suitable replacement for Schweigert and dump the prevent), and we could signal we are back.
I'm not ready to say playoffs yet, but there hasn't been this much excitement since 2002. It just goes to show you how much we have been spoiled over the decades.
H
Quick follow up.
Cornell Green doesn't false start on our last possission and we might have run the clock out. I believe Cleveland was out of timeouts. I'll have to check the tape.
H
That false start almost costed us a game. He should be cut, this guy is really pissing me off. Almost as much as Stew "Your 10 year old daughter plays better than me" Schwiegart.
The key this week will be LaMont Jordan's back. If he can run, we will win. 200+ yards and 70%+ time of posesion. It will be brutal. Man, it's great to be able to run again!
Psycho
McCown is a warrior...that guy has really impressed me with his tenacity. Too damn bad he fumbles and has an arm worse than mine. Culpepper is definitely a better pocket passer but his mobility is suspect, as is our pass protection (Sims may be the worst starting left tackle in the league.) I think Culpepper is a better option, I had to listen to the game on the radio (thank you stupid f*cking blackout rule) but it sounded like he made a nice bomb to Williams that he dropped (again.) McCown cant throw acurately more than 10 yards. But for everyone second guessing Kiffin, he's the coach and youre a fan for a reason. And he sees the guys in practice every day; he knows as wells as anyone what the two QB's can do and where they are physically and mentally. Unless we go on some crazy tear and have a chance at the post season (im thinking 4-12 or 5-11 this year) expect to see JRuss in the 4th quarter of the season, too bad he didnt get into camp on time or I think he'd be the game 8 starter. Anyhow, we should use next years high picks on a decent LT and a big time WR, and see what happens. Wildcard '08 AFC champs '09 Superbowl '10
I wouldn't get rid of the guy just now. We've been running the ball too well for me to want to break up the line yet. However, I would tell him his job is in Jeopardy.
Chris Morris filled in for Gallery late in the game. Arm injury.
Latest Conspiracy Note:
What are the odds the league decides to look at the "Time Out Rule" now that it has worked in the Raiders favor.
Oh, what the heck. Let's start the rumor anyway. Here's the report.
According to league sources that wish to remain anonymous, officials have decided to take a look at the rule regarding the calling of timeouts. In recent weeks it has been utilized to disrupt the timeing of kickers in game winning situations.
Most noticably it was used by the Oakland Raiders against the Cleveland Browns last Sunday. The unnamed league sources feel it hurts the kickers feelings and must be brought under control.
H
And the only thing the prevent prevents is holding onto a lead...Rob Ryan really turned down the intensity in the 4th and it nearly cost us the game.
San Diego is finding out what the Raider Nation was laughing about when the Dolts fired Marty and hired Norv.
There may be no coach in the NFL better suited as an OC than Norv Turner. There may be no coach in the NFL less suited as an HC than Norv Turner.
I wonder how long before Kiffin starts getting into Ryans face and correcting this himself? He took on the tackling issue himself last week (by way of press conference) and we saw the immediate results... I can't imagine him tolerating losing games because we can't pressure the QB and we keep playing to not-lose at the end of games. That doesn't seem like the USC mentality.
Bama7
I had to share this with my Raider brethren... from the Georgia/Bama game Saturday, while in overtime... I thought I had drank too much but listen to what the announcer says... easily the strangest, stupidest comment ever made during the pivotal point of a game...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZUB3eJOTos&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Etunjiafonja%2Ecom%2Ftunjis%5Fweblog%2F2007%2F09%2Fespn%2Dfootball%2Da%2Ehtml
you don't have to blitz linebackers. we have speedy corners that could blitz as well. i think ryan isn't as quick to pull the trigger on that because of a safety who is clueless (not too mention any names, schweig).
but we could rectify that by blitzing schweig, and leaving huff back for coverage.
caveman is a great d-coordinator, but i'm kind of wondering if he really wants to tip his hand this early in the season. as we collect more "w's" maybe we will see him open things up a little more.
but i agree, he really needs to throw out the prevent us from winning defense, and any variance of the prevent. nothing pisses me off more than that defense. but then again, it is typical raider style football, playing down to your competition.
Blanda-
After four straight, very unimaginative running plays on the 1 yard line vs the giants 2 years ago, including a qb sneak using the nimble kerry collins, I don't know where this offensive genius stuff came from with terner. Who couldn't win with the players he had at dallis?
I really don't wear jerseys but if I did I might have a Madsen jersey made!
H:
The stats come from
nfl.com Stats "O"-n-"D" and are relating the teams to eachother as far a Rank...Our "D" overall is very low compaired the the rest of the NFL....Or do you think the #'s lie.....You can compair individual stats and build a differant case but I look at it as a team....
As a Team our "D" SUCKS.....so now I ask Why....is it because Kiffen is sticking his nose in that side of the ball...is it because without AetShell the "D" fell off because he had his nose in the "D"....or is it because "CaveMan" sucks....
It's not MrDavis because he has been there the whole time....the "D" coach is the same....the players are the same....so the only change has been the "HC"s....3 of them...
2005...."D" improving but not good
2006...."D" was #3 and #1 against the pass but had problems with the run
2007...."D" SUCKS....can't stop anything......
WHY...WHY....WHY.....
PantyRaider....UnansweredQuestions
Nate,
I agree and dissagree with you. I believe Ryan is a very good coordinator. I don't, however, think he is holding anything back for use later. This team needs everything it can get to win and win now.
Like I said earlier, I have never understood the prevent defense. Every team runs a version of it and I've yet to see one that stops a team on a consistant basis.
Tackling did appear to be better this week, except for you know who. He was credited with three tackles but missed two in the fourth quarter that were in critical situations.
H
Panty,
But earlier you claimed our defense was last in interceptions. They are not. With six they are tied for second in that category.
Our rush defense is 22 and pass is 24. While not where we finished last year it's not the bottom of the barrel. And, a lot of the pass yardage was during the "prevent" time.
I get mine from ESPN.com. Easier to read and sort. NFL.com's stat page is much less user friendly.
H
H:
This is how the teams at the bottom are listed at nfl.com stats "D" interseptions....
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&statisticCategory=INTERCEPTIONS&conference=ALL&role=OPP
28 Minnesota Vikings
30 Detroit Lions
30 Oakland Raiders
32 Dallas Cowboys
But when I started reading the stats I don't understand why....I think they have it backwards...you are right....my mistake for believing the Freaken NFL....
PantyRaider....Shamed!!!!!!
Panty:
You can't just judge Ryan by last year. You have to look at how effective he was in the couple of years prior. If you'll remember it was a lot of zones and prevents. Actually Ryan did the same thing last year, but for some reason the front four were putting a lot more pressure on the QBs, so it worked. So the culprit is the front four. Maybe Sapp is now too light. Also, don't forget that Burgess is injured.
The prevent defense was designed only for one play - to beat the hail mary pass. When the opposing team has time on the clock, even only a minute, the prevent is worthless. The entire NFL seems to do it, but I wish that our guys would stop.
I wonder if in an effort to make more games finish at the last minute, they've insituted an "unspoken" rule that the team with the lead "must use the prevent defense in the last 2 minutes of the game." Kind of like instituting a rule that says after the two minute warning, pro bowl rules come into effect (i.e., No Blitzing!).
If the prevent is some sort of unspoken rule, I'd be glad to be called a cheater by breaking it.
# of players we rushed on the final D play: Zero
Goal #1: Keep them out of the endzone - Accomplished
Goal #2: Keep any short passes in bounds - WRONG {{Buzzer}} Try again.
Psycho
It just mystifies me. For the entire game, the mission on defense is to stop the other team from scoring.
The mission doesn't change, right? So why does the scheming change just because there's three minutes left instead of 10 minutes?
Why abandon something that's working for something that doesn't?
If they could have thrown for five consecutive first downs earlier in the game against the base defense, wouldn't they have already done it?
They racked up 150 yards of offense on the last two drives and would have kept going if not for time expiring.
Earth to Caveman, prevent the prevent!
BlandaRocked:
That's funny about the rules...and they don't tell the fans right so we keep on the edge of our seats....I saw something one time about the amount of Heart Failures that take place durring NFL games and some doctors tell their patiants not to watch Football...so the NFL is promoting ilness with their silly rules...Ha! Ha!...
I don't think bad about CaveMan or Coach Kiffen as far as the "D" problems....I am just sounding off because it gives me an opertunity to say to the "HateTrippers"...."Look it ain't MrDavis"....he has been here the whole time thru the "HC" changes....so we have to blame someone else for the problem....
The players are the same....the "D" coach is the same....the "HC" is new....but the other teams we play are not the same as last year and they have had time to figure out CaveMan's "D" and play against it....the lyons showed then that....
PantyRaider....Trippen the "HateTripper"s!!!!!
"It feels good. It's a good start. My name will be the one in the headlines, but I'm happy for my offensive linemen. Those guys took a beating last year." -Jordan
As talkative as he is, I don't recall him ever once bashing the line, or any other Raider for that matter through all of the adversity. Not to mention the beating he took from us, myself included. Raising my beer - To character, and finally, to the yards to go with it!
Psycho
Jordan....and behind him is "Eche"-n-"M-Bush"....so we have depth and alot to look forward to in the rushing game....what a diferance a year makes....
Cole Pepper.....if he can get the passing game to come up to the consistancy of the running we will have a "Play-Off" calibur "O"...
CaveMan....he will get the "D" back up to a "Play-Off" calibur "D" within the next week or two....ready for the "Jolts"-n-Squaws" after the bye....
PantyRaider....SmellingVictory!!!!
week #4
Raiders-vs-Fish....Raiders win..2-2
Donko's-vs-Colts...Colts win....2-2
Squaws-vs-Jolts....Jolts win....2-2
Squaws.......1-3
Week #5
Jags-vs-Squaws.....Jags win.....1-4
Jolts-vs-Donko's...Jolts win....3-2
Donko's......2-3
Week #6
Raiders-vs-Jolts...Raiders win..3-2
Jolts........3-3
Bingals-vs-Squaws..Bingles win..1-5
Week #7
Squaws-vs-Raiders..Raiders win..4-2
Squaws.......1-6
Pitts-vs-Donko's...Pitts win....2-4
Raiders are on top of AFC West and in control of the Divission....
PantyRaider...Predictions!!!!!
New post up at BlandRocked.
http://raiderhistory.blogspot.com/
I know that this has nothing to do with anything but I can toss a couple of coins in the pool and tell you that next year Sarkisian will become NFL coach, amazing how Mr. Davis can spot talent!
raiderdecoachella
I'll add to that. Next year Sarkisian will replace Norv Turner in SD. Sarkisian didn't want his first NFL HC job to be with a team that was as miserable as the Raiders last year. I think he went all the way through the inverview process with the intention of just getting his name out there as an NFL HC prospect.
But the gags on him. The Raiders will be off the mat and on their way up. SD will be headed to the mat after Norv gets through.
It’s quite apparent that a “prevent” defense is designed to allow teams to score, just not too fast. (Have you ever seen a prevent defense that didn’t allow a score?) However, being up by only 9 points, then by only 2, why would we even consider allowing the Brown’s an opportunity to score?
Putting pressure on the QB is the most basic of all defensive strategies. It forces quick decision making and sometimes error in judgement (hence the advent of a little thing called "the incomplete pass," and more prominent, "the interception"). Honestly, there are only a few QBs capable of consistent improvisation.
Conversely, if you give any NFL QB time, particularly by dropping the ENTIRE DEFENSE 10+ yards into coverage, that QB is going to make a play (particularly with 10 seconds... that's like an eternity for an NFL QB).
For all the years we’ve used prevent defense, has it ever worked? I won’t repeat the definition of insanity because we’ve cited many times on this message board, but prevent defense is a textbook example.
If memory serves me, Ryan was slow to utilize blitzing last year and struggled early with the same problems were having now. How quickly we forget.
P.S. Is it possible that Sapp has dropped too much weight?
A lot of folks were upset last year because we didn't get Mangini, in view of the fact that the Jets had a really good year in '06. I'm glad things worked out the way they did. From PFT...
"In this same vein, Jay Glazer of FOX reported on Sunday that there are rumors that the Pats busted the Jets in 2006 for the very same thing for which the Jets busted the Pats in 2007."
Take, I and several million other people agree with you. If it's working for three quarters why stop.
I have reviewed the tape and here is the glaring stat:
Beginning of fourth quarter:
Anderson has 112 yards passing.
He finished with 224.
Eight minutes to play:
Cleveland has 183 total yards.
They finished with 312.
Now, I realize this is not Peyton Manning and the Colts, but up until the last eight minutes that was a fairly impressive defensive effort considering what the Browns put up the week before.
The kickoff return and Williams fumble, which gave them a short field, made the game close. I'm not ready to kick Williams off the team yet, he brings a physical presence at wideout that will come in handy if they can get his hands working better.
My apologizes to Cornell Green. He did false start on our last drive, but Porter came through for him and extended the drive. Jordan was just short on third down but he had carried the load most of the game.
Fargas was fighting for every yard. On one carry he only gained four yards, but he was hit behind the line and refused to go down almost crawling for those extra yards.
Also, kudos to Lechler on his last punt. Inside the 10.
And, Jano's 48 yarder was off the dirt.
Before the "time out" it was a standard field goal defense. After the time out the bulk was shifted toward the middle. I think they got a good look at the trajectory and went with a hard middle rush.
Upon further review, way more good than bad. In the last two weeks my glass has moved from half full to three quarters full and is now at about 83.2% full.
Just my analysis and opinion.
H
H, this is what I'm curious about. I didn't get to actually see the game since it was blacked out here. But I listened to Papa all the way through.
Do you know, does anybody, if Morrison and Kelly are normally on the FG defensive unit? I had the feeling that Kiffin slipped them in just for the occasion.
I think the strategy employed by Kiffin was to allow the dawgs to kick while seeing the base FG defense. Then Kif pulled a "bait-n-switch." If so, Kiffin didn't copy Shanahan. He schooled him.
i agree with everyone who is disappointed with rob ryan's passive defensive scheme's so far this season.
al davis hired coach kiffin because he wanted a play caller for the offense in order to attack, attack, attack.
it seems to be working well for the offense. so wouldn't it work just as well for the D ???
rob ryan, come out of your cave and remember on gameday...ATTACK, ATTACK, ATTACK !!!!
Blanda-
I don't know if this will help answer your question, but you can watch the kick/TO replay along with other highlights on www.nfl.com. Just click the Raiders/Browns game at the top.
On the timeout FG attempt, it appeared that the Raider players were well aware that the timeout was being called, as most were just standing upright and not progressing toward the play. Even the Browns seemed in slow motion, and perhaps even the kicker knew, but just went through the motion of kicking the ball anyway.
This timeout was by no means as convincing or deceiving as last week, when I sure all of us thought we won (for a split second). However, it was equally effective, and that's all that matters.
Blanda-
I have not gotten to the fg yet. I am reviewing the 4th qtr.
I believe I read today what you described. The first fg defense was a base type. The second was a left side push with Morrison pushing behind Kelly for the penetration. Re-watching the last part of the game it is a miracle that they did not convert a catch and run for a td. Schwiegert must go.
Blandarocked,
I don't know if it was a bait and switch from a personnel standpoint. But even though there was a good bit of standing around on the first kick, the alignment was completely different on the second.
The first appeared to be set up for a heavy speed rush from the outside. The second was a power rush from the middle. My understanding is Kelly went through the middle and was being pushed by Morrison. Its hard to tell from the distance on the camera used for the kick.
I think they wanted to see his trajectory to see if the push would work. I may be reading too much into it, but that's what we fans do.
One more kudo for one of our whipping boys. Grove did a pretty darn good job against Ted Washington.
Warren is coming along and I think he will give us some more pressure up the middle on passing downs. He got to Anderson and caused the fumble in the first quarter that backed Cleveland up.
Last year we did utilize the LB's more to help pressure. This year it appears Morrison and Howard are being used in coverage a bit more and that is paying off. They have five interceptions between them.
I know I'm getting long winded but, even though there is plenty of room for improvement, there was also a lot of good things on offense, defense and special teams to be pleased and encouraged about.
We tend to point out the negatives too much. A habit we got into over the last four years, and with good reason.
Our run defense is currently playing better than last year. And, it's getting better.
By the way, Jordan is second in the League in rushing and we are the top rushing team in the AFC West.
Start filling up those glasses.
H
One thing not being talked about with the last play strange "D" where every player was backed off the line....
There were 2 defenders on the sideline between the QB and WR...the QB was holding the ball for a long time...he threw the ball when both those defenders made their moves toward the QB....
So why did they abandon their post to go after the QB....I think that was blown coverage that CaveMan did not want....they left the WR uncovered.....the "D" was working up until that point....
If the play had been run with one fast "LB" up on the line to go after the QB it would have worked...the OL could not go beyond 5yds down field and the WR's and or RB were all in coverage....so a fast LB could have ran free and stoped the QB from being able to just stand there all day.....
This was not a prevent...it was a full coverage where there was nowhere to throw the ball until the two "D" players droped their coverage and went sfter the QB...
11 in coverage is something I have never seen before.....I want to see it again with just a little adjustment...because the play would be stoped without any long gain....we were willing to give them 5yds if the QB ran but that's it....and than we get to hit his ass hard....
10 in coverage and one Rusher to keep chase on the QB will work....the first time we see something we may not like it....but after it has been adjusted and well taught we may love it and it will be a "RaiderThing" for sure....
PantyRaider....HindSite!!!!!
AnnoAss da GayBay Wizzard...
Tryin to find his little lost Lizard....
SadFran spanking made him Squeal...
Mentally Dead life's un-Real....
Tiny Pee-Wee Lizard Stroker...
life long Sad Franchise Choaker....
The first kick did have guys loosley standing with no rush. They knew the to was coming. The second had Kelly over the lg, Warren over the lt and Sands next to Warren. Behind Kelly was Morrison and behind Warren was Sam Williams I believe.
Panty might have something with a lb chasing the qb and 10 in drop coverage. I personnaly hope they never have to run something like that again.
There was 56 seconds on the clock and the browns were still on their own 9 yd line. Think about that...
We also got lucky because winslow came out for the last play although I thought Huff did ok against him.
memdf
How much time was on the clock when the Raider "D" made that strange play....
I think the play was designed to keep them out of FG range but the coverage got blown when the two players started rushing the QB...
R.T. was right as usual. The Raider haters are downplaying the victory as no big deal and "it was only the Browns". One local sportswriter here in NY even went as far as scolding the Raiders for not covering the spread stating "even when they win- they lose". Where the f was this guy last week when we took that 10 pt spread last week and shoved in right down the Donks throat. I want nothing more than to slam all of these a--holes when we start winning consistantly. I plan on going after each and everyone of them and loving every second of it.
RaiderMike:
Last night on ESPN Radio they said the Raiders would loose to the fish....and would be at the bottom of the AFC West again with a 5-11 record and should use the high draft pick for a quality WR or LT....they give us NO chance to have a winning record....
But they were all over the Jolts as a team that was going to get it together and win the West....but they did talk down the Donko's....and now I hear that Mule #6 is lame.....
"Shoot the Bitch" and put it out of their missery....
They don't talk about the Squaws....already dead....
PantyRaider....WinsComming!!!!
Raidermike,
The best revenge is living well, and that day is coming. When it does you will probably see some of the same doubter/haters talking like they predicted it.
Pantyraider,
There were 10 seconds left on the last play. After reviewing the tape that play damn near worked. Anderson was in a total state of confusion at first. His line could do nothing but stand there.
When he started running the two cover guys took off to keep him in bounds. That was instinctive I think. If only one had done so Anderson might have been tackled in bounds or thrown an interception. His line just stood there and did not follow to block for him.
Quick hit:
On the touchdown pass to Curry. It was third and inches. Right before the play the sideline TV camera caught Kiffin talking to Culpepper. They were both smiling and Culpepper was nodding his head in agreement about the upcoming play. These guys are not just turning things around, they are having fun doing it.
H
Panty/H-
I don't believe there was anything right about our last play on D. With 10 seconds left, the idea is to keep the ball in the middle of the field without allowing a score. Any positive yardage out of bounds (to stop the clock) should have cost us the game.
The fact is, Anderson could have run out of bounds with positive yardage, but chose to throw the ball for additional yardage, then his receiver ran out of bounds.
IMHO, that equals blown defense squared.
10 seconds is simply too long to allow an NFL QB to make a decision. As befuddled as their O-line may have appeared, their QB had time to survey the situation, react and make the right play. Hence, too much time.
That said, I’ll take being lucky over being right every time.
Haven't read comments yet but let me say:
1 - Mike Williams caught that TD, Kiff should have thrown the red flag. That one is on coach, and if we had lost, I would blame it on that.
2 - Seabass leads the league in touchbacks. So what's with the occasional 'squib kick'??
3 - All I can say is memories of Skywalker on the blocked fieldgoal! That was AWSOME!
4 - Can you say "Willy - T - Howard"? Man, it's nice to have LB's again!!
- BamaRaider
Saints: Flash in the pan, or what?
Vince Young is for real. If he had made it to pick #7 last year, he'd be a Raider.
Can't wait to get Russell in there! Meanwhile, we're carrying 4 QBs until McCown's injury is evaluated.
NY-
I am with you on that crazy last play. A huge gamble. At the very least no pass should have been completed to the sideline.
As I perused every article on Raider News yesterday (while at work!), I noticed no sign of our haters, gey, kawasaki and rat-o. But today the little man has weighed in.
http://www.mercurynews.com/raidersheadlines/ci_6991882?nclick_check=1
NYRAIDER,
I'm not saying that play was a good call. I'm just saying Anderson was so confused at first that it almost worked. It also almost blew up in our faces. If they use it again, I would make one modification. Have Fabian Washington drift off to the short side of the field. Then after three seconds take off full tilt after the quarter back. It cust off the short route to the sideline and makes him throw on the run and causes confusion in the O-Line.
However, had Anderson stood there and thrown into coverage and the pass was intercepted we would all be going on about what a genius Ryan was.
It's a very fine line in this business between genius and idiot. The clearest vision in the world is hindsight. There's probably a few dozen other cliches I could throw in there, but I'll save those for future use.
H
Hey guys, I’m more prophetic than even I could have imagined. I was kidding around when I said a complaint would go to the league office about calling last second timeouts on kickers. My point being it had worked for the Raiders so it would need to be looked at (See my 10:40 AM post).
Well, there’s an article with the headline “Icing the kicker not sporting”, on the San Diego Union-Tribune website. Here’s a small quote:
“The kickers have expended a good bit of energy in making their first attempt. They are not going to have the same energy when they have to repeat the kick or, one can suspect, the same focus."
"The point was made yesterday to the NFL offices in New York.”
He ends the article with this “Whatever. I still regard this as an injustice.”
Funny how there was no outcry the previous week when it went against the Silver and Black. Conspiracy? Hatred? Or, is it fear that we may be back.
You can read the entire article at the following link:
http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/nfl/20070925-9999-1s25nflcol.html
H
Even though it worked for us this week, I am not a fan of timeouts called by the sideline. I think the rule has needed to change for several years, to where only the players on the field can call a time out.
A team will still have the chance to "ice" the kicker, but they have to call the timeot on the field, not the sideline; and it puts the pressure on the player to make sure his timeout is seen by an official. I think that evens the par a little.
The only problem, how many refs turn a "blind eye" on the Raiders?
Yes, RaiderNate, that's the problem. I remember in years past when Raider defensive players would call a time out, and the refs would simply say they didn't see the signal. One time I saw it, the Raiders were minus a CB. Someone on the field noticed the problem and was very obvious about his timeout signal, but the ref ignored him. The opposing QB also noticed the problem, and hit the uncovered receiver.
The Raiders complained mightily. "Sorry, I didn't see your signal."
Bama7
Finally got to see some of the game. One day we'll clear up our safety problems (I hope). Schweigert can't hit, rarely covers well and misses tackles. Why is he a starter? For the umpteenth time, move Huff to FS and let Ward play SS. Schweigert is not a good NFL safety.
We have no DE rush... makes the Huntley/Moses shit even more unbearable for me. I don't understand why some explain it as "Richardson played better". Hell we needed all three of them (Richardson, Moses & Huntley). Why not keep them all and get rid of Brayton and Bowie? Since when do player cuts become a "we have one spot for either our 3rd rounder or our 5th rounder."
Stupid, when you have guys like Brayton and Bowie on the team.
It's like we bang our head against the wall with stupid personnel decisions year after year. And our personnel moves explain why we have lost so many afc west games and struggle like hell to get a W against a team like Cleveland at home.
And Mike Williams may show a flash here and there but damn how many NFL shots is this guy gonna get? His big ass should hold on to the ball.
Did Sam Williams play? Didn't see where he did anything, but that should come as no surprise to me anymore. We'll probably be discussing his non-pproductive ass next year too.
And finally, as I imagined last year, Ryan's success was due to the fact that no one had to try to do anything offensively against us.
At least Culpepper finally got to play and Jordan is running as if his career depends on it. It does.
Hey Bama... is Moses tearing it up with another team or something? Maybe I missed it?
The plot thickens with the Patriots. Check out Tuesday Morning Quarterback by Gregg Easterbrook at ESPN.com. Questions the destruction of the evidence, and catches the NFL hedging about whether or not any of the evidence revealed cheating at the Super Bowl.
Here's the link:
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=easterbrook/070925&sportCat=nfl&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab1pos1
RT:
My guess? And there's Panty's conspiracy theory attached. I think the evidence showed that the Pats cheated in the 2001 play off game agains the Raider, and for the Super Bowl that year. And I think it's true for the reasons that Panty stated. 9/11 - we need to pump up everybody's patriotism, so lets have the Patriots get into and win the Super Bowl - and the bonus is that football is viewed as "America's sport."
It's not even the first time I think it's happened. I think the first time was at the beginning of the Gulf war in the early '90s. There was a bunch that was fishy about the playoffs that year too. No Patriots, but coincidentally we had two teams with Red, White and Blue uniforms (Buffalo and the Giants).
Stew will be in there all year long getting burned.
Davis will draft another FS again?
Thanks for that stuff on shredding the records take!
All I can say about that and I have said it many times before that to me cheating and gambling is the same thing!
Who guarranties you that these jerks knowlingly did not bet on games knowing the outcome of them.
As far as I am concerned if Pete Rose "the greatest player that ever played baseball by far" can not be in the hall of fame for gambling, this bunch of clowns shouldn't be in the same field as the rest of the teams, they should be kicked out of football for life!
raiderdecoachella
To: Gary @ 3:24 and Bama @ 2:10
Moses was signed by the Arizona Cardinals. I am not sure if he has even played at all. If he has played, he currently has no sacks, no tackles, no assists thru 3 games.
azraider63
09/24/2007 CB Duane Starks Released
H;
I know how you feel....I was just makeing something up to be funny about the Conspricy and than it comes out to be a huge posibility....I really had no idea that the evedance was being distroyed when I wrote that....but I guess when we see paterns in life we can get an idea of what may happen next....
It's like this weeks game when I saw the "O" in trouble on 3-n-long and I started holloring "Intersept-Intercept" and than it happened....and everyone thought I had some type of power....but it's just reconizing the situation and predicting the outcome....sometimes it work....most likely NOT....
The "CaveMan" Formation...
That strange "D" play is of interest to me....I think alot of planning went into that call and it was very creative....it totally confused the "O" and would have worked if the "D" players stayed focused....next time it will be understood and may not have a chance to work....I bet all the teams are working on that this week....the "D"'s will be planning something around it and the "O"s will be looking at what they can do if it happens.....
I don't see anything about "JRus" on the DepthChart yet....will he be active for the games....we let go a player so we have a roster spot....
PantyRaider....Waitting!!!!
Panty:
JRuss is now offically on the roster. Starks was the guy released to make room. The reason it wasn't Walter is because they are uncertain about McCown and Russell isn't ready to be #2. Very likely, on Monday, Walter will be traded or released, and Starks will be resigned.
BlandaRocked
So why didn't we release #37 Johnson instead....you know what will happen now...a "DB" will get lame and we will have to trust #37 to play his position when we could have had a Veteran....
Woops!!!...Sorry....don't print that because I don't want it to become true....everyone will think I can Jinks the Raiders....
PantyRaider....Jamar Rustler!!!!
Pantyraider,
Like I said that defensive formation damn near worked. But, it could only work when the offense has no timeouts and under ten seconds to play.
It's designed to seal the sidelines. Which it did until two players left their coverage. Had only one gone after Anderson, it would have worked.
That being said, the prevent defense almost cost the game. Up until eight minutes to play it had been a sterling defensive display except for only one sack.
And yeah,I was kidding around and darn if a complaint go to the league office on Monday. But, why not last week when it cost us the game.
Curious.
H
The faidas might be able to get a water boy for "andthrew falter" ha ha ha, "soiled panties" must have read mmy post likening him to the retarded, (no offense inteneded to other retarded people, you are all mental giants compared to "squishypanties") He probably has a hard time getting his thong on frontwrd, you know..."pantymushey" you're supposed to use the cloth panty thong, not the rubber shower thong! You BUFFOON, the FISH in MIAMI will slap snot and slobber out of "culpumper" and whoever else "miss kiffy crybaby" puts in to fumble the ball away! 1-3 coming to a murder capital near you! We get to watch the faidas get their asses whiped this week!!! Hoo Hoo!!! I can't wait, Just cringe baby, defend the "nation".
For those who like statistics (Pantyraider), here's a few good ones.
Remember how dismal our rushing offense was last year.
This year, thus far, LaMont Jordan, on his own, has more rushing yardage than 17 NFL teams.
We currently have more rushing yardage than the Chefs and Dolts - COMBINED. 84 yards more to be exact.
Last Sunday only 55 yards in penalties. And most of those were of the "non subjective" type (false starts and such).
After last years fiasco this is extremely refreshing. "Minty Fresh" as Take would say.
As stated before, we are down to tweaking. As far as the defense goes, remember, over the last four years we were rarely in the position we were in last Sunday. Let's see how they adjust.
H
Let me preface by saying I never respond to faida, but this one has me rolling on the floor. Forget the Raider-Hater gibberish, that was by far the most unintelligible post I’ve ever read. Faida, you should be very proud. That truly exemplifies your profound stupidity.
With respect to the upcoming game, who is going to block Jason Taylor? Taylor is a Raider nemesis, with 3 sacks last game against Oakland and 9 sacks lifetime against the Raiders.
With all due respect, Sims can’t block him. Gallery has proven he can’t. Green? Probably not. While our vastly improved playcalling will be a positive factor, we'll probably need our RB/FB and TE’s to be involved in blocking this guy. Just a thought.
Bama7
Hey Gary, Moses is a 23 year old, 260 lb speed rusher that notched 15 sacks in his last two years of division 1 college football (I think Richardson had 3). Gary, do you know anything about football? Moses is currently listed on Arizona's depth chart at #2 on one DE slot. Forgive him for not playing yet after having missed all of the Cardinal's training camp. Give him more than a month to learn a new defense how about it. And, I think Moses has as many sacks as any DE on our team (zero) with the exception of his fellow Georgia alum, Chris Clemons. Huntley's in Atlanta.
Looks to me like we're in sore need of DE's, as usual. We're playing a DT at one spot (Kelly) and Burgess is ailing. It's just hard for me to follow the team when we continually keep awful players and let others go.
For Randy Moss we got McCown (awful), Williams (fat and awful) and some track guy named John Bowie that will not make a dent in the NFL. meanwhile Moss looks like the best receiver in the NFL to me.
I just hope that Kiffen takes complete control over the roster... I think he'll try. Caveman better quit coddling to Al's track and wrokout guys or else he'll be gone soon.
Schweigert... yeah he was tough in the big ten where they can't pass worth a shit.
Sam Williams has no business starting in the nfl.
Bama,
If, as you say, it's this hard for you to follow the team, then why are you doing it?
Probably 90% or more of your post are negative. If the Raiders don't make the personnel moves you want they're idiots. Probably if we go back we will find you wanted to dump Jordan.
There are a lot of things going right with this team. You can't turn the last four years around overnight.
We have the same people on the defensive line that were putting pressure on the QB last year. It's not working as well this year and adjustments will have to be made.
Sacks are down, rushing is up, our run defense is better and we just won a game we probably would have lost last year. It's not that far of a stretch to say we could be 3-0 right now. We are one game out of first place and all you can say is fire the whole lot of 'em and Al Davis is an idiot.
We as fans criticize the team, but when there are good things to say, we should say them. I still say we are down to tweaking, adjusting and getting some more depth. And, I agree Schwiegert is a liability at the moment along with a couple of others. Williams, I believe, is correctable, but time will tell.
For all the things we don't have there is a good deal of talent on this team to build on. Come Sunday I will be looking at what we do right as much as we do wrong.
H
hey Bama... don't let the door hit ya on the ass on the way out... if you love Moss so much, you'd prolly look good wearing red, white, and blue.
I see things changing personnel-wise (with the exception of Schweigerts scholarship) and if Kiffin and company thought Moses wasn't a good fit... that's good enough for me. Perhaps he had a horrible attitude and they thought they would cut there losses now.
The problem I see with Raider fans like you is you all have the same "I know EXACTLY what is going on in the locker room and meeting room" mentality, when all you are doing is GUESSING.
You've been bitching and moaning for four frigging years, you were prolly bitching and moaning the three years we were an elite team, and you are STILL bitching and moaning when it is apparent things are getting turned around again.
I can't speak for any other Raider fan... but I for one AM SICK OF "FANS" LIKE YOU. Go away. Jump on a bandwagon somewhere where a team never makes mistakes and gambles that don't work out... just do it.
I won't miss you. There's plenty of none cry-baby spoiled brat Raider fans that see the light at the end of the tunnel.
I'M IN!!! PLAYOFFS NEXT YEAR BABY!!!
h,
Wow you are almost as good as blandarocked when it comes to good and prescise info!
Keep it up my brother, it is always good when people can express themselves in an unbias and proffesional way.
raiderdecoachella
bama7,
you want moss back ??? what ???
yes it's true we gave him away for nothing, but moss would never have helped the raiders win.
all moss has done so far, is go to a winning team with one of the best qb's and play well.
moss is not the reason they are winning, he just simply has no reason to quit because everything is going good right now.
moss is the type of player that needs to be on an established winning team. he needs to follow.
he can never help a losing team turn things around, because he has no leadership abilities.
the raiders are better off without him.
as far as the raiders still having bad football player on their roster, well, they sure do.
but let's give kiffin a chance here. the man has only coached three games, and already the improvement is huge.
remember, the raiders won only two games last year.
you cannot turn over the entire roster in one offseason.
i would bet you next year at this time, the rest of the duds like sam williams, mike williams, schweigert, and others will be gone.
give kiffin a chance before you start throwing stones.
Raiderdecoachella,
Wow, to be compared favorably with Blandarocked, I'm humbled. That's rarified air.
Thank You.
One more thing about Jordan. He took a paycut to stay. After that they went out and signed Rhodes then drafted Bush.
Right now he is giving all due credit to the line. He's lowering his shoulder and handing out punishment to the DB's. He's exerting himself as a quiet leader on this team. Now, compare that attitude to Moss'.
Trading Moss was the only thing to do, even if it were for a seventh round draft choice. An outright release would have meant we would have carried any remaining bonus monies against the cap. That's not nothing.
H
H and Gary
Kiss my ass. I'm hear to stay... I don't have to be liked by you to be on a Raider board. I'm tired of being one of the worst teams in the league. When I was a kid Okaland was dominating. You can't dominate with the coaches and personnel we've had (Kiffen is different cuz Kiffen knows things have to change). But Al no longer understands football:
Why stick with a Sam Williams when a Donnie Edwards is floating around year after year.
I'll tell you this... If Donnie Edwards was playing LB for us this year, I'd bet we'd be undefeated, Josh McClwon notwithstanding.
But we don't want Donnie Edwards types anymore. I don't why, proably cuz he can't score a certain point on a vertical leap or some other stupid thing like it.
I blame it on the game passing Al by around 1987 or so. Hopefully Al will realize he ain't got it anymore and will allow Kiffen to and someone else to run things 100%.
And no, I don't particularly like Jordan. It comes from a few years of watching him pussy foot around with the ball. Now he's running like his career depends on it. Good. Keep it up and I'll be sold on you, Lamont. You have to earn it from this fan.
I hurt when we lose in the afc west... you guys just bitch about refs and conspiracy theories everytime we lose. I hurt. It's degrading to me. Y'all just live with it and wave the flag and say we'll be better next week. A loser mentality.
We gotta get tough and start kicking people in the teeth again.
As for Moss, I always liked him. we ruined a great player. He is absolutely kicking ass.
I'm not that bright. I'm just a big mouthed optimist.
That being said, Bama, you're way too hard on Sam Williams. You can't compare his numbers with Howard and Morrison. Whenever we go into a nickle, Williams is the first man taken off the field. And in view of the fact that "the big nickle" is practically our base defense, William isn't on the field a whole hell of a lot. If you find him unnoticeable, I suggest that might be why - because he's not on the field.
As for Moss, the biggest indicator of the Raiders disfunction last season was Moss being named team captain. Also, just because Moss has started well, that doesn't mean he's going to finish well. All teams go through a slump over the course of the season. Let's see how Moss behaves when the Pats go through theirs.
Also, I'd throw out Moss' first week stats. Not only was there the cheating issue (where Shady knew in advance when the guy covering Moss was coming on a blitz), but they also put the word out that he was injured and might be released because he didn't practice all preseason. Since Mangini knew about Bilicheat (being trained in the dark arts by Bilicheat himself), he was stupid not to prepare for Moss anyway - but, hey, just sayin'.
The word I'm hearing about Moses is that he hasn't shown much at all yet. And that he hasn't played at all should tell you something. I think we've played all of our defensive linemen, and Arizona isn't that deep at DL where they can afford a bench warmer.
Bama... I follow sports because I get ENJOYMENT out of it. I still enjoy the comradere of my two Raider buddies that have traveled all over the country together and watch EVERY SINGLE game together, win or lose.
I enjoy bickering with EVEN MINDED Raider fans nearly 365 days a year on the Raider Usenet group. There are people like you on that group also, mostly people I term "Al-haters" and they aren't very well received there either.
I still enjoy the Raiders even when they suck... the key word here is "enjoy."
People like you seem to be miserable because of the Raiders... I don't get it. Why even bother? I used to be an avid Laker fan until they started to annoy me to the point I couldn't stand watching them anymore... I no longer follow them except casually. It's no big deal. My favorite sport to watch used to be Hawkeye basketball, now I couldn't name a player on their team, I didn't get any ENJOYMENT out of them anymore. It's no big deal. Nobody I know really cares if I follow them or not.
So I ask the Al-haters this... WHY DO YOU COME HERE? To bitch and moan? To make us be as miserable as you are? To CHANGE OUR MINDS? To change us into Al-hating suicidal cretins? It isn't happening.
If you want to be miserable, why not just keep it to yourself? Don't get me wrong... if I see something HORRIBLY obvious currently (cough Stuey, cough) I'm going to vent my feelings about it... but STILL BITCHING AND MOANING ABOUT MOSS ??? My gawd... Moses and Moss are GONE! Deal with it!
Move on.... jeesh.
Blanda,
You are correct about Moses. I listen (unfortunatly) to the local sports talk radio every morning here in Arizona and there is NO talk of Moses.
The last time I heard his name was when they picked him up after we cut him...saying how stupid we were to let him go. Haven't heard a word since.
If he was any kind of player right now he would be getting playing time, which he isn't. As for learning a new defense like Bama suggested, I say B.S.
If Moses is a pure speed rusher, all he has to do is get after it and up the field. Not too much thinking involved, just pure unadulterated pass rush. I guess they don't think he has it (yet?)
azraider63
Bama7
Moses hasn't been there but what, three weeks? We've had Culpepper for how long and we've barely played him. yes Qb is different, but the Cardinals have linemen that have been playing in their scheme since back in spring training. Moses'll get his chance. And I brought up Huntley too. it's not just Moses. It's keeping a guy like Brayton for so long and giving him so many chances, but others just get booted. We dropped Travis Taylor, who was the most productive NFL receiver, in terms of stats, on our roster. Yet we only have a few WR's... and a plethorea of worthless DB's.
As for Big Sam, he still has done next to nothing in three years. Maybe he's a big part of the reason we always go to that wolverine, or whatever we call it, heavy DB defensive package... cuz we don't have three adequate LB's?
What the talented Morrison & Howard need is a LB partner that is physical, a hitter.
Well, we can all guess as to why some players see field time and others don't, but to really know that, you have to be one of the coaches. And because coach after coach has apparently come to the same conclusion, you can't blame Al.
As for Brayton, yeah, he's had plenty of chances - to play DE, then LB (I still don't get that move), then DE again, then DT. The problem is that Brayton has Gallery disease. They've both been shifted around so much, it's a wonder they're not basket cases.
But Gallery is improving now that he's been permanently placed inside, and I think Brayton will also.
Blandarocked,
I'm with you, big mouthed optimism.
Bama7,
I'm not telling you to leave. I'm just wondering why you put yourself through such angst.
I'm as tired of loosing as anyone. I was personally screaming at the TV on that last drive Sunday. I was caught up in the moment. But, when it's over I let it go.
Then I start looking at the good, the bad and the ugly. When all was said and done, there was a lot of good. The kind of good that, if it continues, translates into wins.
If I spent all my time on the bad, the ugly and on the personnel desisions I disagreed with I wouldn't be a fan. For me, it takes too much effort to be that negative and pessimistic.
As for Moss, I know a little something about being on a team.
When things are going bad for the team, you don't quit on them. You don't mope and whine. You work even harder. No matter the situation. You make concessions and work for the betterment of the team. Try and say those last three sentences in conjunction with Moss.
I don't care how talented the man was or is. I wouldn't want him on my team. And, I didn't want him with the Raiders for those specific reasons. But, I cheered for him and supported him on the field, until he quit on the team and the fans. Him being gone is a positive. He truly was a cancer.
And, that's my soapbox for now.
H
My guess is Brayton sticks on the roster every year because he's a team player with an exemplary attitude.... like it or not.
Kiffin and Ryan have both admitted Moses will be a good player in the NFL, just not on the Raiders (for whatever reason). I would guess that he will eventually get playing time with AZ. In the interim, three weeks absent from playing time on his new team should be no gage of his talent.
RE: Moss, Big mistake for the Raiders... I thought we overpaid for him at a time when I believe we had depth at WR and no depth at LB (particularly after trading Nap Harris).
Meanwhile, the lack of depth at LB has necessitated the DB-heavy defensive schemes used in the last few years, which we will likely continue to see until we add another solid LB. IMO, Robert Thomas will supplant Sam Williams when he’s healthy.
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