Out of Limbo, Into The Future
Rumors of Raider Take’s demise have been greatly exaggerated. Immediately following last Sunday’s game, I simply came down with a rare case of writer’s block. I watched the game and just couldn’t find anything interesting to say about it. I think it’s just a matter of feeling like I'm in Raiders limbo or purgatory.
The game was a moral victory, but not a victory. Should I celebrate—or should I wonder how long it’s going to take for us to win one of these games we supposedly shouldn’t?
We played stoutly on defense, but again let our opponent march down the field after our own big score, and at the precise time we needed to shut them down. This stout defensive effort was also vandalized by another jaw-dropping special teams breakdown.
Justin Fargas ran hard, then got hurt. Again. He had a great year, but let’s not kid ourselves and pretend that he’s going to lead a lethal rushing attack for years to come. So who do we run now? Not our future running back Michael Bush, but the twin pine riders of Rhodes and Jordan.
We saw a lot of McCown and a little Russell, a ratio that will hopefully be inverted next season. I mean, this week. Russell looks like the real deal—but what’s it going to take to get a longer look?
The zebras again became a regrettable focal point. I can’t make excuses for them, but I’m sure waiting for the day when we can simply take the refs out of the equation by playing better and getting ahead on the scoreboard. Raiders fans complaining about the refs right now is like a prisoner complaining about the jailhouse food. There’s nothing we can do, and they’re going to keep feeding it to us until we figure out a way to get paroled.
I’m now reading that Stuart Schweigert is unhappy, and that he’s lost his “swagger.” He’s bitching and moaning about losing his starting job. Dude, cue up some game film and look at yourself, starting with the highlight where you got dragged down the sideline in Tennessee, followed by the 10-yard patty cake routine in Green Bay.
I know the team is improving. We’ve doubled our win total and probably tripled or quadrupled our offensive output.
And yet, with just a few breaks, we could have won four games last year, too. We lost a few really close ones in 2006. So, if I were to compare this year’s output to last year’s output solely on paper, I would be inclined to say that we would be a six or seven win team this year. We still could be if we beat the Jaguars and Chargers, but I’m not holding my breath. I’ll jump for joy if we can get to five wins by the end of this season.
The bottom line is that the team is playing better but still needs to learn how to win. Or perhaps I’m being too harsh—playing the Packers, Colts, Jaguars and Chargers to finish the year isn’t exactly a walk in the park. Maybe the NFL will give us an extra game against the Patriots, just for giggles.
So there you have it, my existentialism laid bare. The Colts game just left me a bit cold and wondering about where we’re headed. Maybe I just need a vacation, because it was a relatively impressive performance, one that restored our dignity after the debacle in
I think I’m just anxious. At this point, I’d like to see more of Russell. Dude’s not a porcelain doll, let’s get on with it. I’d like to see Michael Bush, though I know I’ll have to wait until next year. Hiram Eugene replaces Stuart Schweigert? Jeez, what took so long?
Let’s get serious about this future business, let’s deliver ourselves from limbo, let’s shake the personnel tree and see where the fruit falls. And the next time we need to hold the opponent, let’s just do it for once. It’s time to win a game we shouldn’t.
48 Comments:
You read my mind on Stu, and good post RT. I'd just posted this Stu comment on the other Take so I'll move it here.
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Did you guys see Stu bitching about losing his job? Check it out:
http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders/ci_7768291
The author points at Jordan, Rhodes, and now Stu as being unhappy and claims there are several others who are unsure or unhappy about their job security, but aren't talking.
GOOD! 4-12 means you need to replace some guys.
Kiffin is making no bones about it. Play good or your job is in danger.
Stu claims he never got an explaination and said he played "great" last year. Well, there's your problem right there. Stu's film break-down skills must be the worst in the NFL!
Any blind, retarded, uneducated monkey can look at tape and tell you there have been many questionably plays, or lack thereof. So I don't understand the disconnect/confusion. I now turn it over to RT's policy of asking yourself, WWTD?
Psycho
I've been pretty happy with the year so far. Sure it would be better to win more games, but the team seems to be playing better at the end of the year, which we haven't done in ages. I really thought the Colts were going to tear us apart, but we played them stoutly.
I think there's only so many hours of practice time in a year. The entire first half of the season we needed to practice basic plays, and make them work. By this time of year, we can actually execute a pretty fair chunk of the playbook, and it shows in the game.
Special teams coverage (and returns for that matter) are amazingly bad... again. It seems like decades since we actually put some special teams on the field we could be proud of. Perhaps it's a weak roster, and guys 35-53 just aren't good enough.
I hope a lot of players are worried about their job. I hope Kiffin has a good sense of what he's looking to draft next year. I also hope he's got a measured pace; I don't want to sign a bunch of free agents in the hopes of winning the superbowl next year. I want a solid draft class, and maybe one or two choice free agents that really fit in.
And I want Russell to look like a real QB next year, the kind that wins games at the end.
PS
RT-
I don't think there's much comparison to last year's team--the coaches had no clue, the fact we won two is a miracle. This team's coaches are at least competent football coaches...witness the o-line progress with essentially the same players.
On Jordan/Rhodes, I think at least Jordan will be gone, maybe both and in 2008 it'll be Fargas, Bush and late round pick or FA for reserves
On the D, I hope we come out in the same look...stack the box to take away Taylor, man to man on the receivers...it plays to our personnel strengths
On JaMarcus..I think he starts and is here to stay..makes quick decisions, big arm, accurate...turn him loose
Great Take as usual.
To your point about Fargas. Injured again, it's true. However, he has shown the way.
I think Kiffin has let it be known through his handling of Fargas that that is the type of effort and execution he is looking for.
Jordan and Schweigert can complain all they want, but it's their performance that cost them their starting jobs. And, in the case of Jordan, it was the performance of the backup that cost him the most and never gave Rhodes a shot.
Because of that I nominate Son of Huggy Bear the Raiders MVP this season.
It's regrettable that the defense didn't go out and stop the Ponies after that go ahead touchdown. If for no other reason than his spin move on the carry prior to his TD is where the injury occured.
The only reason he is on IR is where we are in the season. The injury he sustained does not require surgery, and could have been rehabed if it occured earlier in the season.
H
Now that Kiffin understands his players' strengths I think he'll be able to install better plays next year from the beginning.
We need to find some Bread & Butter plays that we can trust on key downs. He'll have a chance to think about what those might be and try some stuff out during mini-camps.
Seems like we're still just tinkering with things in the passing game and don't yet have those plays to fall back on. Unless you count screens, but I'm talking actual passes down the field on 3rd & long with :40 to go.
Psycho
Fargas
I think if the final games had some meaning, Fargas would be ready to play against the Chargers. I think Kiffin is deactivating him to get a final look at Jordan and Rhodes because he feels they will keep one. Kiffin has been talking a lot like a man with next season on his mind.
Schweigert
Stu says he played great last year. I didn't think he played great last year. I just felt that he played well enough so that he wasn't a priority to replace. Kind of the way I feel about Sam Williams this year.
I did respect the way that Stu fought off challenges to his position in camp. But once the regular season started, he seemed to be satisfied with that and lost the hunger.
It's interesting to me that the two most positive voices on last year's team are now the too most negative. Jordan and Schweigert. It's almost as though they know that as long as the team is bad, they are two of its star players. If the team is good, they can't keep up.
Schweigert, Jordan, and a few others will have to make their release seem like an injustice. It's the only ploy that will keep other teams interested, especially division rivals. So as players become more aware that they are on the bubble, expect the word of discontent to grow. Don't worry about it. It's typical of this situation.
Kiffin keeps saying he doesn't want to put Russell in situations that would hurt his conficence.
I would hope that by now, his knowledge of the playbook would be sufficient to get him through two games. Also, I would hope Russell's ego isn't that fragile that he would crumble if he ran into a rough spot.
That being said, I've never coached a number one draft choice so I will defer to Kiffin.
H
i posted this under the last post as well, but stu has always tried, that is not his problem. his problem is execution, and now we have coaches in place who are preaching execution, not trying. hence why he's riding the pine.
I'm a little nervous about Russell playing. I guess it's just all the hype leading up to it. I kind of prefer Russell to come in at the half against the Jags, if for no other reason than I'd like Russell's first start to be at home. On the other hand, he could come in and suddenly light the place up, leaving us all to wonder why the hell we waited so long.
I just had a thought about something someone said earlier about failing to draft to solidify the DL. It occurred to me that we've forgotten Leon Bender. We drafted Bender with the idea that he'd be a rock solid nose tackle for years to come. Then, suddenly, before training camp he died. I don't think we've failed to make an effort to solidify the DL. I think that, so far, it just hasn't worked out for us.
Rumor has it that the Falcons are interested in Schottenheimer. My question. How will Schottenheimer keep his team up to play when they only face the Raiders once every four years?
Bama7
Nice take, RT... exactly how I feel about things. Sort of emotionless about it all at this point, and ready to see Russell. Just don't see what it could hurt at this point. I watched Russell throw several picks in Knoxville, but not let it bother him as he brought LSU back to a victory in front of 106,000 fans a few years ago. I don't think they can mess his confidence up. He's just not that type.
Let's hope Shotty goes to the NFC. Please. Or, and I am being serious, how about making him the highest paid defensive coordinator in NFL history and bringing him in to replace SOB. Marty is a tough bastard that knows tough football players. I quit hating the guy a long time ago when I realized he was beating my beloved raiders like a drum the EXACT way I wish'd my Raiders were playing. If you can't beat 'em... join 'em or in this case try to hire 'em.
JMac says Josh will start, but JaMarcus might come in before half time and finish the game so he can get the experience of working the end of both halves. That also leads to the possibility of JaMarcus getting his first start, and his first full game at home against the division leading Dolts.
I'm beginning to think that Kiff reads my posts.
I agree with LK. There is no comparison to last years debacle. We are on the cusp. Everyone expected too much too fast, myself included. There is reason for optimism with Kiffin and the systems he is implementing. If Russell turns out to be the real deal and we add a few more pieces to the puzzle we're back next year. Looking at Fargas as "fools gold" is silly. It's all about attitude and he has brought a significant piece of attitude back to the Raiders. Whether he is a feature back next year or a bit player doesn't matter. He exudes attitude.
Bama-
Are you smokin crack or do you really think Marty would ever work for Al and the Raiders
RaiderMike
I think Al actually requested once that Schottenheimer interview, but Marty refused. He doesn't know Al, and doesn't want to know him.
Blanda-
Where does his hatred of the Raiders come from?
RaiderMike
Mike, I honestly don't know. All I know is that Marty is completely an NFL guy, so maybe it comes from that. Other than coaching for the Chefs and the Dolts, as a player and a coach he never crossed paths with the Raiders or anybody in the organization that I'm aware of.
Some people who really hate Al have never met him or had anything to do with him. They just have a friend that hates Al for whatever reason and they side with the friend (understandably).
It might just stem from that being the basis for which KC originally hired him (i.e., you must beat - first and foremost - Al Davis' Raiders!).
But it is true that there seems to be no middle ground in how people feel about Davis.
RaiderMike, I thought I found an answer. Between coaching for KC and SD, Marty was an analyst for ESPN. I found a link to a video, supposedly of Marty discussing the relationship between Shanahan and Davis. I thought he'd be likely to provide some answers for his own feelings. No such luck. The link didn't work. It had long since been taken down.
RT,
great take, and thanks for mentioning how the defense allowed the colts critical 4th quarter, game winning TD, right after we took lead.
i have read many post saying they thought the raider D played well on sunday.
but if a baseball player gets 3 hits with no one on base, but then strikes out with game on line in 9th inning, did he have a good game ??
Blandarocked,
good points about rottenheimer. his only stint in nfc with washington did not go well.
no raider hate game for him. his bread, & butter.
A season marked by improvement and a revitalized competive spirit will culminate when the Chargers visit the Raiders.
What better way to wrap up the 2007 seaon and put a nice silver and black bow around it then to have Russell start and defeat the Chargers?
At home, in front of the loyal Raider Nation, nothing would be sweeter than to beat the Chargers and bounce them from the #3 seed to the #4 seed. The Chargers would face the Jags in the Wild Card round instead of the Brownies. We all know how that will turn out.
It might just be 1 game in a 5 & 11 season but it sure would create positive momentum and welcomed higher expecations for 2008.
Best Holiday Wishes to the RT Crew.
Calico Jack
Schottenheimer's problems with the Raiders have gotta be from when Mike Davis picked off that pass to save the playoff game against Cleveland back in 81. Marty was their D coordinator at the time, I believe. The guy knows how to nurse a grudge . . .
Happy Holidays to all!
Bama7
Marty played in the nfl AS well... Colts, Patriots, Bills... and Steelers. He would have faced Oakland many times. A lot of opposing players hated the Raiders because we played tough... and dirty. I bet that's where his comes from.
And no Raider Mike, I don't think he'd coach for us. I just think he'd be worth every penny you paid him. A damn good football coach and I bet he'd be able to get our defenders in their gaps, playing consistent, disciplined football.
The faidas will lose the next 2 with no problems other than the required NFL ref's anti faida call that will cheat the faidas out of the last 2 games. The faidas actually won all of their games this season but the ref's and the NFL worked it out that they would only win 4 games. (1 in reality) so......next year the faidas will again win no more than 4 games as I have just conferred with the NFL head of ref's and screwing the faidas comittee. The score will be 31 to 7 Jags in an easy romp over the choketown faidas. 1-15 just cringe baby, defend the "nation" the "autumn wind is a pirate", commitment to excrement", "pride and ploys", etc., etc. You will all learn soon enough that the faidas will move for the last time and you will be crying in your plastic faida beer cups......The Amazing Karnak sees ALL!
I think you hit it Bama. He played in the days when we were pissing on everybody and a guy like Marty with his competitive spirit probably didn't take to kindly to gettin beat like a rugand then laughed at. I also agree that with marty at DC we eventually would be unbeatable (if he could deal with being 2nd bannana to a 33 yo hc).
RaiderMike
RT- down but never out. Nice post.
You’re right, there is still something empty about this year... Like why we spent almost half our draft picks on what appeared to be speed burners for our SP, yet, those players were either cut, injured or simply didn’t perform.
Like why the Raiders couldn’t expedite Russell’s signing to speed up his maturation.
Like why Jordan was even included with the 2007 roster. I thought we’d seen enough of him tiptoeing in the backfield last year. Yeah, he took a pay cut. That obviously didn’t improve his game and, ultimately, Jordan cost us Bush.
Like why Michael Bush wasn’t activated from the PUP, even if only to ride the pine behind Rhodes, and perhaps see limited action. Wouldn’t it be helpful to have NFL game film of this guy before we head into the 2008 draft?
Like why we waited several weeks after his injury to IR Coop. I hope this is not a sign of ponderous personnel decisions to come. We need a GM.
On field progress has been somewhat slow to come around, but we have to remember that Kiffin is a rookie (although he’s not acted like one), and he will continue to learn and improve on the fly.
Winning two games to finish the season would be nice, but simply beating the Chargers next week, IMO, would mark a huge improvement for the Raiders. Not only do we close out the season with a win, but a win against a division rival, making us 3-3 in the division after a going 0-17. That would make next year worth waiting for...
Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all!
Bama7 & RaiderMike,
Regarding Shittenheimer, you are correct on his hatred starting at the player level. I read somewhere (sorry I can't remember the source) that he felt the Raiders were a dirty team.
Marty played for the Bills from 65-68, and with Boston from 69-70. Obviously as we all know, those were some great Raider teams.
As to your point, I could only imagine that games like "The Mistake By The Lake" vs the Browns where Mike Davis intercepts Sipe's pass only added fuel to his fire.
IMHO, he will never work for the Raiders or Al Davis.
LK & Blanda,
Also, regarding your previous posts on Warren Wells. I do have highlights of the Raiders vs Jets 1970 game in which Wells made that great catch. (I own Raider season highlights from 1961-2003)
Your mamories...er..uh...memories are well in tact. Just like you described. What was even more hair raising was Bill King's radio call of that play. Makes the hair on the back of your neck (or back) stand straight up. I had to go watch and listen to it again when you guys brought it up in the previous take.
Also, I believe Wells had bouts of drug abuse after his life with the Raiders.
azraider63
Sorry,
I forgot to say Merry Christmas & Happy New Year etc to all Raider Nation brothers. Travel safe, eat well, hug the wife & kids (if you have any), and GO RAIDERS!
azraider63
Take, what you're forgetting is the future isn't now, it starts in training camp for 2008.
Russell is being coddled along because he missed training camp which would have provided him the foundation he needs. I think the limited playing time he's seeing this year is fine, keep him wanting more and teach him the main point (for him) of this year...if you want to play then you better being in camp early. I admire Kiffin for not crumbling to the pressure of playing him w/o him having to put in the work. What message are you sending the team if you let your #1 pick get judged by a different standard of work ethic?
As far as the win/loss record this year....well I don't think Al and Kiffin even approached this year with that in mind. I think it was just being used as one big preseason to develop a mindset. It was evident in many ways, play calling, player substitutions (or lack of), etc.
I Jamarcus was to get hurt during one of his game appearances this year, the 2008 season will be a mess. So I don't think we should be so eager to see him play too much this year.
A great take as usual RT. For a moment there I thought that once shittenhiemer got canned the irony of all ironies would have him come to Oaktown. Probably not a good idea.
I have not read today's Raider news but for Stu to think he played great last year? WTF.
Calico-
I don't want to place too much on one game but the last game as a victory would be pretty huge. Either way those who do not watch the Raiders and only read the bspn's of the world do not see what we see. Kiffin is doing an amazing job considering everything.
AZRaider-
Where did you get the highlights form the early Raider years? I would love to watch the games again that brought me to this point of madness for this team.
I specifically remember that jets game. The winds were swirling at shea and I think the Raiders were losing the whole game. The winnning td pass seemed to flutter up and down with the wind. Wells caught the ball while falling to the ground. Both arms cradeling it.
I also remember seeing a picture of that play where, I think, randy beverly and jonny sample were both pounding the ground in frustration. As if to say we knew Wells would beat us and we still let it happen!
I have scrapbooks dating back to SB II of Raider news clippings. I have a whole section on Warren Wells. He was very troubled. I'd have to dig them out but I remember he was arrested for rape and battery more than once.
But he could play!
Also-
I read two words of some jackass' comments and collapsed his post!
Great post, RT. Keep 'em comin', bro.
AZ Raider, I have the same question: Where did you get the highlight clips from?
memdf: You've kept those clippings HOW long? Wow. Have you thought about scanning them for safekeeping--and posting? (;^D
---Jeff
memdf & arkansan raider,
I bought the DVD's (3) from a guy on EBay. He was a Raider collector that somehow acquired/compiled the footage from various sources. Some of the later years I had taped and converted them to DVD myself. I must say, I consider it the Holy Grail of Raider history footage.
In the day and age of High Definition, some of the real old stuff looks rough, but worth it.
It used to be you could find old games for sale by collectors but I believe EBAy has cracked down due to copy rights.
Before they shut it down, I purchased many old games between 1971-present, including a full game broadcast of a 1971 pre season game between the Raiders and Jets in Oakland. Tatum, Clarance Davis and Villipiano were rookies. Stabler and Blanda handled the QB duties due to a Lamonica injury.
Even though collectors can't sell on EBAy anymore, there are several websites where collectors "trade" old games. Some of the more significant Raider games I've purchased are:
1978 Oak @ SD - Holy Roller game
1974 Dallas @ Oak - MNF first meetig ever between the teams
1976 Pitt @ Oak - Atkinson forearm to Swann (Criminal Element game)
1976 Pitt @ Oak - AFC Championship
1980 Oak @ Cle - Mistake By The Lake - AFC PLayoff (Davis INT)
Anyway, I have over 100 games so the list could go on forever. My point is, is that there are people out there sellig the stuff if you know where to look.
I get REAL bored in the off season so I usually pull out a few old games to watch to keep my Silver & Black blood flowing.
azraider63
memdf,
Those newspaper clipping sound cool. My brother and I started a scrapbook back in the mid 60's to 70's of the same stuff, but for the life of me can't find it.
I did keep some full sports pages from that era though (The Green Sheet for those of you who remember). They are mostly from 66'-70'. Articles on Billy Cannon, Flores Wells that are pretty cool.
I agree with Jeff (Ark Raider) it sounds like you have a lot of great stuff, you should scan them for preservation. I've started to but somehow never finished. Thanks for getting me motivated again.
azraider63
AZRaider63:
Thanks for the info, bro. I think I know of at least one guy who has those games for trade--or will send you DVDs of games for his cost (DVD + shipping). I don't know if he has all of those that you have, though.
---Jeff
Gentlemen-
My scrapbooks are in our storage room which is currently filled with X-mas presents and decoration boxes. Once the holidays are over I will take my scrap books to work and photocopy them. Because they are newspaper clippings a copy is just as good, better 'cause they are not faded or should I say faided! I will, of course, make these copies available to my RT bretheren.
The Biletnikoff portion of my scrapbook was actually presented to Freddie B at an autograph show. He flipped when he saw it.
I actually had one of those plastic numbers that you got when you waited in line at the butcher shop as part of it, #25 of course, pilfered by yours truly.
I also have a page or two of Season's Comments which I wrote as a 12 year old that my wife makes me read at family gatherings.
I am actually looking forward to this now!
Arkansan Raider,
Here are a couple of links to the sites I have purchased from.
http://www.webspawner.com/users/favco/favcovideoespnc.html
http://www.webspawner.com/users/sportsvision88/index.html
azraider63
Sorry,
Sorry, hopefully this works.
http://www.webspawner.com/users/sportsvision88
/index.html
http://www.webspawner.com/users/favco/
favcovideoespnc.html
azraider63
memdf,
I think you should re-write your seasons comments here in Raider Take. That's awsome...a 12yr olds perspective of current 60's Raider football.
That's much better than "faida boys" 9yr old perspective of 2007 Raider football.
azraider63
memdf,
I think you should re-write your seasons comments here in Raider Take. That's awsome...a 12yr olds perspective of current 60's Raider football.
That's much better than "faida boys" 9yr old perspective of 2007 Raider football.
azraider63
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
ROTFLOL
Nice. And I agree on both counts.
---Jeff
azraider63, thanks for posting those sites. The first posting actually worked.
Here's a site that I've gotten a few from:
http://www.geocities.com/raidertapes/games.html
If your browser won't send that, here's the entire link in the viewing box:
http://www.geocities.com/
raidertapes/games.html
---Jeff
Jeff,
Thanks for the link. Yes, that's Alex's site. I've bought a few games from him in the past.
A couple of the more recent games he sold me were compressed onto one DVD so the picture quality was not great.
There are other sellers out there that really pride themselves on high quality stuff (considering the age of the games)
Ideally you want the games to come on two DVD's to minimize compression and maximize picture quality (if you're really into it)
The two links I sent are sellers that provide the best picture quality available.
Anyway, I hope you guys have a GREAT Christmas. GO RAIDERS!
azraider63
(I know one of the gifts my wife bought me is a new Raider Hat...hehehe. She's great..too bad she's an LSU fan)
Thanks for the game dvd sites.
I would have to get help from RT to post my Season's Comments. I don't want to take up a lot of space.
Maybe put them in another format and open up a link or some computer shit....
I do think you guys would get a kick out of them. They are a hoot.
As I said, my wife makes me read them for company just to let people know how nuts I am about this team and for how long!
memdf, if you scan them, you can maybe put them up on a blog. It'd be cool for you to put up, say, a page a day or something like that. That way you wouldn't have to scan them all before you posted them.
Just a thought.
Oh, and if I find any more sites to buy the DVDs from, I'll let you know.
---Jeff
Let me start by saying this I like Stu, but if he thinks he is unfairly being treated he has got to be kidding me. He speaks like he has no clue why his job was taken, ,man how did he make it to the NFL with that level of ineptitude?
Jay
RT got the best of me. The scrapbooks are out of storage and so are the 1970 Season Comments.
I went to my Warren Wells section. Just one thing after another. Attempt rape conviction, stabbed by a woman, drunk and battery arrests. Spent the 1971 season in custody. Prior to that caught 42 tds in four seasons.
Jeff-
I reloaded my scanner software and am ready to go.
Excellent tackling on the part of the choketwon faidas! That "rob the slob ryan with the Shirly Temple haircut" defense IS awesome!
Over 100 yards given up on the ground by the faida "d" ALREADY!!!!!! "j-rust" looks like a big lumox out there. I give him about half a season before the big "genius" big al (MR.) davis realizes that he is another monumental BUST! Just wince baby
What is there to say....Excellent coaching on the part of "elaine kiffy", Star quality qb with "j-rust" a "d" that doesn't know the meaning of quit, and a rushing game that is devastating! Ha ha ha hyanhahahaha.... alright, I'm just kidding, you all know that the faidas suck, that's what you'll be seeing for YEARS to come!!!! Go faidas, just enjoy baby. Keep defending the "nation"
Half Time Take....You gotta love the faidas, playing like the pirates they are, "warren the big sap" really helped the team when they needed him to, if you take away all the conspiricy ref calls away I have the faidas winning this one outright. Obviously the NFL and the refs have the faidas marked to lose regardless of what we loyal faida fanatics want! Way to go faidas. I give "miss kifffy" an A+ for controlling his championship caliber "team"! Just sit bck and take it all in baby.
"pantyswizzler" hasn't been supporting the "team", I have noticed that the "team" doesn't do well when "pantywaister" isn't posting his gems of wisdom. Please "pantygurggler" just for the "team" come back before it's too late!!!! Maybe if you post some grand ideas before the Chargers come up next week you will be able to squeeze another win out of the faidas!!!!! Please "panty" please!!!! Just hope babies, and of course don't stop defending the "nation" for god's sake!
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