Broncos Postgame Take
Well, that was just unacceptable, plain and simple. What do you want me to say? I could point out the obvious, but why bother? Russell, two picks and 61 yards total? Zero catches for Heyward-Bey? More than 200 rushing yards given up to the crappy Broncos on our home turf?Well, at least we vanquished our real enemy today: Rich Gannon.
In my pregame take, I wrote: "It's only week three, but I believe that this game will tell us a lot about where this team is headed."
Unfortunately, I think I might be right, but not in the way I wanted to be.
PREGAME TAKE...
This Rich Gannon business is regrettable. Today’s game is blacked out, the Broncos are in town, we are trying to establish a new regime and leave the years of epic failure behind...and our executives are worried about what a television commentator is saying? Don’t we have bigger fish to fry? It’s weird, and it’s belligerent.
We nearly failed to sell out the opener against a division rival, and now we have a blackout, against another division rival, no less? Wow. Sure, the economy is bad. But it’s bad everywhere, and only the Lions and Raiders games are being blacked out today. The Lions have lost 20 straight games, so that explains that. But the Raiders? It must be the marketing chicken coming home to roost.
For example, the Raiders made little effort to get me to renew my season ticket package this year. Their communication was essentially limited to threats about my seats being in "high demand," and that I would lose them. It was no carrot and all stick.
Suddenly, they’re tossing carrots all over the place, with discounts and coupons for everyone, and the Coliseum still isn't sold out. I’ve been saying for a long time that the Raiders will eventually pay for their poor marketing, and the bill has now come due. It's really sad if you can't figure out a way to get the NFL's most passionate and loyal fan base to sell out your stadium in week three against a division rival after a win on the road.
Well, onward and upward, the stadium might not be full, but I am confident that it will be loud, because I expect the Raiders to put the hurt on Donkeys. Won't that be fun?
This is nitpicking, but on our last scoring drive in Kansas City, with timeouts in our pocket, in the red zone, with over a minute left, we snapped the ball with 19 seconds left on the play clock. We scored quickly thereafter, giving the Chiefs plenty of time to mount a final scoring drive. That type of clock mismanagement will bite us in the ass if we’re not careful.
It's only week three, but I believe that this game will tell us a lot about where this team is headed. I am encouraged by what I've seen during the past two weeks. There's a fresh sense of toughness on defense, and if our offense can find a way to start clicking, I think we could make a run for the division title.
RAIII-DERRRS! RAIII-DERRRS! RAIII-DERRRS!
posted by Raider Take at 9:53 AM
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The Raiders organization needs to earn devoted sell out crowds by establishing a consistently competitive product on the field. This is obviously a work-in-progress.
It won't happen overnight nor should it.
What I want to see this afternoon:
Offense
A complete committment to running the football and more 2 TE sets.
Defense
Tight, press coverage on the WRs by our DBs, LBs near the LOS, SS in the box ... simply force Orton to beat you by holding the ball longer attempting to beat you with intermediate to deep passes.
RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIDERRRRRS!
Clearly, performance and product are huge factors in ticket sales. But worse teams like the Rams and Chiefs are selling out. I think that a percentage of the Raiders' sales problem is strictly related to marketing, or lack thereof. It could be the 5,000 person difference between a blackout and a sellout.
No doubt, a strong marketing program is critical to any successful corporate entity.
I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if there are close to 5,000 walk up ticket buyers today which is too late to lift the blackout but will help the home field advantage.
I also believe that there are many former ticket buyers who prefer watching the game in the comfort of their home on their BIG 52" HDTV w/o all the hassles.
Even if I lived in the Bay Area, I would probably choose to go to only 1-2 games each year and watch the rest at home.
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this completely sucks! I'm in lancaster, ca for a family wedding over the weekend so i know i'm possibly missing my 2nd game in a row. So after the jet game, i'm waitng for them to show the raider game but what does the network show instead????? The freakin charger game!!!! So i go outside to check for the game on the radio based on the station listings on raiders.com and no raider game on any station!!!!! i'm following david whte's tweets from the game. Better than nothing!
That the division title? lmao! This team is done for 2009. I love Tom Cable but Russell needs to go, I gave him to many chances, hes done for me!
scorpio, it will probably be to late to get this - but you can try http://www.ksfo560.com listen live via the internet.
gentlemen - and ladies if any, based only on david white's tweets and last week's offensive ineptness, this is gonna be one hell of a long season. It's not lookin' good folks. Russell... he's the key and so far it ain't fittin'....
Let's see ...it was, Raider Take....Calico Jack....Panty Raider....NYRaider....Blanda Rocked...and a few other morons who berated and belittled anyone who wasn't onboard with Russell as the first pick.....I sure am happy to see you pompous asses got what you deserved.
I don't love Tom Cable. The guy coaches like he's clueless.
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Anonymous @ 3:43... I was in the Quinn camp, however I don't remember anybody berating anybody during the draft thread. Of course there were a few off-color remarks regarding Quinn and his girlfriend, but nothing was directed at me. Folks were just excited about getting their franchise QB. I think it's still too early to say he's not that guy. But he's going to have to do better than he has this second half. That's for sure.
As Tom Flores just said, he doesn't know what they are trying to do on offense, none of the WR's are getting open and they have just been inept. In the booth they just said JRuss had 3 total yards recieving in the second half. Since they were behind the whole time, unacceptable.
Almost as unacceptable as allowing two RB's to run for 100 years each.
Tough afternoon for the Silver and Black and the fans.
Note.. 100 yards each (not years)
:-)
1st anon, unfortunately i'm on the road so i can't listen online - thanks though. 2nd anon... i've been here for about 3 or 4 years now... our comments are welcome but perhaps it would be best to give your name or at least a handle....
so - game over. as i said, this'll be a very long season ..
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Looks like McFadden threw another pre-game party -- that might explain his 3 fumbles and the teams complete lack of fire all around. First three weeks of the season are not giving me a good feeling.
I was one click away from buying tix to this game. Was undecided due to unfortunate lack of confidence that it would be fun. The Gannon BS was the deciding factor that turned me off. Have to say, I'm glad I didn't spend $300+ on a day to watch the Raiders stink up the entire city of Oakland.
Bench Russel, McFadden and DHB for a while. Let's see what Gradkowski, Bush and Walker can do.
well, during the kiffin firing pc, al davis said, "jamarcus russell will be great".
so you know russell's horrible play is going to be everyone's fault except for russell.
how can you be this flat in a big game in front of the home crowd ?
22.6 qb rating.
Wow, that's positively leafean.
Run D back to it's own self? Yes, with the same cause, no ball control on O, and putting D in bad situations.
I didn't see any video, so I'm not sure what happened with the picks. But it sounded like the O-line was non-existant on rushing plays. I knew Gallery's loss would be an issue.
The Lions just won thier first game since 2007, so it could be worse :-)
-moshbucket
DHB can't even get open enough to drop balls like he's capable of. ;-) Seriously, this kid doesn't belong in the NFL. Lateral quickness in pads is a far better metric than vertical speed. Bottom line: a.) the kid can't get open and b.) his hands are too small to be a legitimate threat as an NFL receiver. What a joke of a draft pick. Pure Al Davis. Sorry, but that's how I see it.
And don't even get me started on JaMarcus. I said it from day 1: he's too slow in making his reads and getting rid of the ball. Teaching that flaw away is a very unusual occurrence. In fact, I can't think of an example, off the top of my head, of a QB that has made drastic improvements in that area. Moreover, from a QB perspective, JaMarcus has rather low IQ. My biggest problem with Al is that he picks up guys who have trouble picking up the more sophisticated offenses and defenses we see in the NFL today. He lowers expectations, and that's killing us. Kiffin, for all of his flaws, wanted to change that culture. Cable is more of the same.
"It's only week three, but I believe that this game will tell us a lot about where this team is headed."
So true, RT.
Apparently, the Raiders were so concerned about what Rich Gannon had to say, they forgot to prepare for this game.
Anon 3:43 - with a cowardly drive-by post. Yes, I wanted Russell, but never berated anyone for not wanting to pick him.
Clearly, Russell has lost his way. I think part of his problem is that the Raiders refuse to pull DHB off the field despite his obvious struggles (1 catch in 3 games).
This whole game was beyond ugly.
At this point, the Raiders would be more than justified to bench both Russell and DHB.
This week's performance was worst than last week's.
Very disappointed in RunDMC... This kid was supposed to put us on the map as far as giving us a weapon we sorely missed over the years. The critics labeled him the next A.P. Not by a long shot, I think he still too young to understand his purpose on this team. Michael Bush, I like. Hands down a good pick up for us.
JaMarcus, what else can I say at this point. This is Al’s guy. Soon we will be calling for his benching soon enough.
Jerry Mac Sept 12, 2009: post-conf. after Richard Seymour trade.
Q: Seem to you JaMarcus seemed to get better in the passing game?
Davis: I hope so, but I don’t look at it that way, I really don’t. Which is good. Everyone’s culture is different. You were brought up to look at every practice, how many he completes, how many he drops.
Q: Have you seen him grow as a quarterback?
Davis: I don’t get involved, I don’t know if you notice, but I don’t go to their meetings . . .
Q: But as a football guy who has watched him . . .
Davis: yes, he’s quicker, he’s more aware, but you’ve got to do it. You’ve got to win. And all this other stuff is, you’ve got to win.
Well were not winning are we? You know I do blame Al a lot of the times. I won’t sugar coat that. Oblivious as Al is sometimes, he’s got to know he was wrong in his selection of JaMarcus and that it will come back to haunt us sorely. But I don’t want to wait 4 or 5 years for this kid to develop.
We need to win now. We can sit here and talk about the Joe Flacco’s, Matt Ryan’s and some of the others and truly ask the appropriate question. Are they a product of the system or are they actually good QB’s? We won’t know unless they played on a Raiders team which cannot move, score or defend on all 3 sides of the ball.
Herrera is a piece of sh**
Gannon’s critical critique is absolutely needed and required. Period. Guys like Gannon who is undoubting and forever will be a Raider great and fan understands all of our frustration. So why can the organization see that?
Anon 3:43 - Yes, I wanted us to take Russell. No, I didn't berate anyone who wanted another selection.
Unlike some of the other posters, I'm not ready to (a) give up on Russell or (b) give up on the Raiders in 2009.
I believe our defense is much improved over last year. Huff, Mitchell, Seymour, Ellis have contributed to a better overall D.
I believe our special teams is above average.
The biggest challenge facing this team is an offense that is inefficient, inept, and rudderless.
It is up to Cable and Russell to go back to the basics. If Russell performs badly again vs. the Texans next week, he should be benched for Gradowski.
Here's what I'd like to see vs. Houston:
- DHB on the bench; Murphy & Shilens; Murphy & Watkins; Murphy & Walker. DHB on only a handful of 3 WR sets to be a clear out decoy for the other 2 WRs.
- Playcall a bunch of short passes to McFadden, Bush, Miller, Murphy early in the game to give Russell some completions, rhythm, and confidence.
- More 2 TE sets with Miller. With Miller getting constantly double teamed, why not keep him in to block and release TE Stewart as a check down target?
What team is dumb enough to buy into DHB being a decoy? He's harmless.
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he says:
"I Just Don't Know And I Damn Sure Don't Like It!!!/_"
Don't be so negative.....you still don't know? You still don't know how this can keep happening? How long would it take for you to know that you had a big green booger on your top lip?
Is Panty allowed to say he "Don't like it!!!/_"? A little too negative for me.
JONES
If Al wants to save the season, he better get Russell out and use a more complex offense. Too basic, QB is no threat...way too easy for the other team. Same ole sorry ass offense with a defense that can't stop the run. Mental errors
Cable says the team " had issuses with the week's preparation". What the f...does that mean? It really gets absurd...I've heard this theory...it says something happens in 2012 and the Raiders become a PRO team. There is no other way to put it, this team is Semi-Pro with Major league salary's to pay. After the Monday Night game..I saw a spark, but, what can you do?
JONES
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It's a shame that "huggy cub" wasn't in all game long, a year ago you same MAROONS were talking about what a great leader he was and how he gives it all he's got and gets the teem going! -1 yard, that's not bad, he never got a chance to get the teem stirred up! Just open you eyes babies, it's "artie shell shocked" all over again, the "cable gay" is the man for the job....
"Had issues with this week's prep?"
WTF is exactly right Jones. I just keep sensing as much as I don't want to give up like CJ said some of us are; there are obviously things going on in that building that Davis condones.
He is a player’s owner and always will be. I have met the great Jim Plunkett and he said it too. Davis will go to war for those who he loves and those who love him. End of story.
But it just kills me to see us like this again. Struggling and Al still insisting on certain philosophies being enacted regardless of its circumstances because he has seen it work on other teams or what not; is not how we evolve.
Evolution is something that takes time and precise, surgical and methodical planning. We are supposed to be building on young talent for the future. Those 53 football players are allowing themselves to not act like pros is just not an embarrassment. It’s a matter of dishonoring its fans who love them so much.
Honor and Loyalty to its Fans is not being reciprocated.
Only time for a quick dirve by, I've got some medical and other things that are going to occupy me for about the next two weeks with only occational post.
It's time to sit Russell. No ifs ands or buts. A little tough love is needed. He may be working hard and doing the things in practice, but his head isn't screwed on right.
Once something goes wrong, he immediately reverts to old habits. He had plenty of protection Sunday, so the line did its job.
Where's the Russell that lit up the SEC. The guy who moved around in the pocket, rolled out and hit 60% of his passes his last year.
True he had good talent around him, but he went up against some of the best defenses in the country.
He's the guy I wanted in the draft, but now I don't have confidence in him and I don't think he has confidence in himself at the moment.
I usually don't think coaches should listen to the fans, but this is one time I think they should.
Sit him and tell him he has to earn it back.
H
but we have to ask ourselves.
how can the raiders, playing at home, in their biggest game in a long time, come out so flat, lifeless, disinterested, unfocused, for 4 full quarters of football ?
this from an organization that held onto rob ryan for dear life, and wouldn't let go.(have you seen the brownies defense)?
from an organization that has been stock piling high, 1st round draft picks.(mostly on offense).
and from an organization that has gone through HC's, as if picking apples off a tree.
so here we are today, after all the years of losing, and confussion, and we can do no better then a tom walsh/aaron brooks, nightmare from the recent past ?
and no run stopping again to boot !!
why is the more the raiders change, the more it seems, they stay their same old miserable selves ?
What other team in the NFL has a #1 WR with 1 rec after 3 games? Has that ever happened, outside of injury? What’s worse, DHB will probably still be in there when Schillens returns, and Murphy, who has produced, will be out.
Russell: 42 net yards passing.
Can it possibly get any worse?
I think that the Rich Gannon business says it all. You don't think the players hear one of their top executives ranting like a lunatic about some television commentator on the eve of a big game?
So the players had some problems with preparation this week, well, apparently, the whole organization is having problems with preparation and focus if they have time to be keeping score on television commentators in the middle of the season.
Every week, it's something new and strange, yet on the field it's the same old thing.
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It's incredible that for the few responses the Raiders exec office provide to the media, they seem to choose only the ones, and reply in such a way, that put them in the worst possible light.
First off the Raiders do not have talent. Lets review: O-line not one pro bowl player. D-line not one pro bowler player (Seymour has not gone to the pro bowl in over two years). WR don't get me started. We have one great player Namdi, eight above average suh as Seymour, Ellis, Henderson, Gallery, Lechler, Howard, Morrison and Miller. The rest of the team is average to mostly terrible. When you add in lack of leadership, a quarterback who shold not be in the NFL and incredible disfunction it is little wonder the Raiders are this bad. Bottom line, lets stop fooling ourselves and pretending the talent is there because it is not. Double digit losses seven years in a row
Ralph
Well, I guess we have to expect games like this when our whole offense is revolved around third year players at best.
McFadden is turning into McFumble... that was his second game killing fumbles in three games.
Bey shouldn't even be in the NFL.
JRuss looks shaken and clueless. Not sure what the answer is here... if he doesn't start showing some confidence soon, what good is having him play?
On a positive note the o-line looked pretty good, especially with Gallery out.
The defense is just too passive. What happened to everyone flying to their gaps like in game one? I think maybe they gave up after stopping them on fourth and one and Jruss turning right around and giving it right back two plays later.
If Cable can turn this mess around like he did last year (especially offensively) he should be considered coach of the year... my gawd he has a grease fire on his hands.
Is it possible the Schilens injury got into JRuss's head?? He looked pretty confident in the practice games until he got injured... now he looks like he doesn't even want to be on the field.
Bama7
We have seen it time and time again. It is very, very hard for any player to be successful in our environment. I am through blaming the players. Gannon called it several years... a torch to the place.
What we need is strong, proven leadership on our caoching staff and HQ. We are in dire need a of strong, proven commodity at HC, but we cannot get anyone to come here. That is what has happened to us... no one of value will coach here. Why do you think that is?
Cable and Co are just a continuation of the same old, same old.
Every year we talk about how bad the players are. These guys are in a bad system. Period.
Sanchez won the lottery... a godd OL, a good runing game, a stable coachinng staff... and a GREAT defense. he'll develop correctly. Our guy was done before he started.
Didn't see the game, but I was able to catch much of it on the radio.
H is right. It's time for Cable to show JR some tough love, and sit him down at least until he starts showing in practice that he's picking something up from the guy who is supposed to be one of the best QB coaches in the business. I agree with Gannon, that all of JR's problems are fixable, but at some point, very soon, he needs to start proving that he gets it.
Cable needs to sit down McFadden and start Bush. They need to insert Gradowski, and use Walker.
This team (from reading JMac) seems to feel they've reached a point where they just need to show up on the field and they'll start winning. The focus is not there. Apparently even with Murphy, the focus is not there. Cable, therefore, also needs to bench Murphy.
Cable wasn't afraid of benching people last year. He needs to take the same approach this year, and to keep it up until folks realize they have to focus and work to maintain their positions.
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If you believe that Russell is the franchise I don't see how you sit him, he's not going to get better observing from the bench. I think you have to give him another full year to determine if the last few games of the 2008 season or the last two game of this season is the fluke. If he's still throwing up >50% QB ratings, then you readdress it then. Just doesn't seem like with his personality benching him is the answer. Plus if Cable is being honest, if it never entered his mind to bench Russell these last two games, then I don't why going forward that would change.
Here's a couple of things I would like to see happen.
If they do go to a 2 TE set, keep Stewert back in protection and have Miller in the field, since he seems to be the only offensive player that can catch Russell's balls consistently.
Start Walker and either Murphy/DHB and slowly bring in Chaz. In four WR sets bring in whoever is the loser between Murphy/DHB.
Run Bush up the middle and McFadden wide. I don't see how it makes any sense to have McFadden try to go up the middle... his strength is in his speed, his ability to cut, to make defenders miss. I thought he was our homerun threat, use him as such.
Stop the run. STOP. THE. RUN. I don't care if Namndi is the only secondary guy we have deep and the Raiders stack 10 players in the box. If that is what it takes. But it all starts with stopping the run.
Pull off of man to man occasionally, or at least practice zone coverage once in awhile. An interesting thing I read after yesterday's "game" was somebody called into the post game show and asked about why the Raiders don't blitz and/or play any zone. CJ (Chris Johnson?) said he and Asomugha go to Marshall game after game and plead to blitz more and play more zone. One of the things he mentioned was that since they only run M2M in practice the recievers struggle with zone coverage come game day. Which may be a contributing factor of why they struggle getting open.
Stop. The. Run. And stop the stupid penalties... hair pulling? Seriously? Are you joking? Is that the new badass Raiders' meme? And then for the PR staff to shield Seymour from actually being accountable for that stupidity is just simply amazing.
Speaking of which, I won't get into the whole Gannon feud other than to say the Raider's were wrong on so many levels it's hard to know where to start. But I do not think it a concidence that the Raiders had a lousy practice on Friday the same day of John Herrera's edict to ban Mr. Gannon from the Raiders facility and the booth.
The organization from the very top to the very bottom needs to focus on one thing and one thing only... and that is winning football games. Talking about or focusing on anything else has to take a second seat to that primary goal.
i think bama7 hit the nail staight on.
we've changed HC's. changed all the players. and changed the asst. coaches, but still, nothing has changed.
we used to go around blaming tom walsh, art shell, aaron brooks, and warren sapp.
well take a look around. they are all gone.
but the raiders are still playing the same brand of sad, loser, football.
we change everyone, but the results are the same.
this organization has become a tragedy.
Is there any way to get Philly to dump Garcia now that he is number three once McNabb gets healthy? I don't have any more confidence in Gradkowski than I do JRuss.
Get Schilens out there in a walking cast if we have to and have an offense centered around Garcia, Schilens, Miller and Bush... with McFab doing nothing besides sweeps so when he fumbles it has a chance to roll out of bounds.
We could still win the AFCW.
Not sure what makes Cable think we're still advancing, after being beaten badly at every phase of a division game at home.
How is it that the Broncos were able to gain such momentum on us since last year, after swapping out their entire coaching staff and losing their pro bowl starting QB?
Essentially, in one game, they've demonstrated their superiority in management, coaching and players.
Yesterday after the game I was listening to Tom Flores and seemed pretty upset at the way the team is playing as a whole, Cable tried to pass blame on himself for the 2nd. interception, Flores replied by saying that the players need to be responsible for their own play, he also said that one of the players was at the flat without a defensive player in sight and Russell did not pass him the ball.
I think that Gannon has the right to say what ever he feels, he is a true blue collar raider and the raiders should be proud of that, he is the only one that I listen to when it comes to raiders commentaries, he bleeds silver and black and passionate about the raiders and I know that the bs we are going thru he feels it as well.
What is up with George Atkinsons, did anybody listen to him, did you guys hear him say that russell is a pro and he doesn't want to loose but that yesterday wasn't his day, I am sorry George but I'm sure that if he goes to a place and he doesn't get what he wants he complaints, I have to complaint because we suck! I will borrow some wise words from Callahan, WE ARE THE DUMBEST TEAM IN AMERICA.
"Essentially, in one game, they've demonstrated their superiority in management, coaching and players."
Very well said nyraider.
Watching the sunday night game they were talking about Manning's work ethic. He spent 1 hr after practice everyday last week working with his rookie WR going through every throw. He spends more hrs than the coaches going over game film. Russel is an overpaid flabby second rate QB that does not have an ounce of that kind of work ethic. I had a bad feeling when I heard he showed up out of shape to training camp. He gets paid millions to stay in shape. No one pays me to stay in shape but somehow I manage to do it. If he shows improvement I'll retract my statements, but until then he is just lazy.
May be the coaches have to stop waiting for Russel to take on the extra work and effort and just start imposing it.
JF
Uh, oh ... the return of the Raider clown car. Yikes!
It's never good when the Clown Car pulls up to the Coliseum.
I'm just curious since I live on the east coast and the only feel I get for Bay Area media is checking the Tribune on-line and occasionally the Gate. What goes on out there on sports talk radio after the Raiders lay an egg like they did. Is there a host that gets Cable on the air and grills him as to whats going on with Russell especially as it pertains to his committment, his conditioning, leadership, etc... What the hell happened to the defense since week 1. Is anybody asking these questions. I know if this team was playing in NY somebody would be on "The Rack" right now getting the business. What goes on out there? Or does Al have everybody hide from the media? I would love Mike Francesa from WFAN to interview Cable or better yet Herrara. It would be a blood bath, trust me. I'm just curious as to the level of transparency of the team (coaches, players, front office) with its fan base.
RaiderMike
RaiderMike, if at all possible, you should try to catch the Raiders' postgame radio show with George Atkinson and company after one of these debacles. You won't believe your ears as they paint lipstick on a pig.
The only time I hear Atkinson is during the pre-season on the NFL network and I can see the propaganda is plentiful. My question is (and I guessed you answered it) are the players, coaches, and management held accountable by anybody to the fans? Every Mon or Tues Coughlin and Ryan are interviewed on sports talk radio here and questions of accountability are asked and explanations are expected. I'm just curious if that exists in the Bay area or does Papa Al not allow such transparency?
R.M.
Great questions Mike.
For the most part, there is a "cone of silence" hovering over the Raiders organization. The "voices" of the Raiders are largely brainwashed, loyalists who enjoy picking up a check.
The coaching staff is largely off limits to the general media with the exception of Head Coach Cable who rarely, if ever, bites the hand that feeds him.
If you are a media member who writes a negative column then you get place on an ever expanding "hit" list. In summary, the relationship between the media and the Raiders isn't healthy nor transparent but a product of a necessary function.
If things couldn't get any worse ..
As reported on NFL.com and PFT, Randy Hanson told the Napa Police Friday night that Cable was responsible for breaking his jaw.
Where this goes from here, who knows? All I know is that with the current struggles, this is the last thing that this organization needs ... another distraction, more meida vultures circling the carcas, etc.
on the way home from southern ca last night, we stopped at a burger king. i met a couple of fans from lancaster who went to the game. the guy said he'd lost ALL respect for russell. i asked him why and he said "as russell was coming out of the parking lot in his rolls royce, several fans were chanting RUSSELL SUCKS. the guy in the back seat rolled down his window, showed off his one finger salute to the fans and said - "fuck y'all. we're eatin!"
way to hang out with the right crowd jamarcus!
Raider Mike, there are only really two sports talk radio stations KNBR and the Ticket. The Raiders' games used to be on the Ticket and a host, Rod Brooks, used to be a sideline reporter. And JT the Brick was also on the Ticket and he was somehow affliated with the team. So for a while there was a bit of Raider talk on the radion. Actually when the Ticket was launched the Raiders were sort of the anchor of the station. But for whatever reason that relationship soured. The Giants are part owner of KNBR so it's really dominated by Giants talk. I haven't listened to either station in a long time, but occasionally will catch a show here or there, and when I did the Warriors, Giants and Niners had the majority of conversation.
The Raiders' brass don't give interviews. Occasionally players will (Tim Brown was a regular on the Ticket). But Cone of Silence is a great way to describe it... but also there is mistrust and hostility directed at the media. And since the Raiders are rarely, if ever, forthcoming about anything, there tends to be a lot of speculation on any situation going on inside of Camp Alameda. Some of it's correct some of it isn't.
Here's an example of the Raiders and the media, per an article by Jerry MacDonald:
..."– Defensive end Richard Seymour wasn’t interested in discussing his 15-yard unnecessary roughness penalty against offensive tackle Ryan Clady, and some heavy-handed action by the P.R. staff made sure Seymour didn’t answer any questions about anything else, either.
Santa Rosa Press Democrat columnist Lowell Cohn approached Seymour and asked, “That particular penalty, I wonder if I could trouble you to tell me what happened.”
“Did you see the game?,” Seymour said.
Cohn said he saw the game and asked if the penalty was a “mistake.”
“Wasn’t no mistake,” Seymour said.
Cohn asked Seymour why he did it, and Seymour said, “Get out of here.”
At that point, public relations staffer Mike Taylor terminated the interview and said Seymour wasn’t talking to anyone about anything. He later came to the press box and told Cohn that before he stepped on the grounds again his paper would have to deal with him “inciting the players.”
Inciting, as in, “I wonder if I could trouble you to tell me what happened.”
Look this wasn’t Seymour’s proudest moment, and everyone does something they regret. But it seemed a little out of character for a guy whose reputation was as a leader who would inspire his teammates to greater heights."
So much for accountability....
Lou Duva said:
"Honor and Loyalty to its Fans is not being reciprocated."
It's not about the fans, it's not about the team, it's not about the media...it's about Al Davis. It all revolves around Al. How could the team possibly be successful when the focus of the organization revolves around it's over the hill owner? Decision's are made to appease the owner, not the coaches, not the team, the OWNER.
The team takes a back seat and it suffers. Meanwhile, the owner continues his weeding out of "haters" and trying to convince us all that the Raiders greatness is on the verge. All the while the team " has issuses that keep them from preparation".
A team that is hamstrung by the owner because of his drafting of the QB, signing to ridiculous money after a lenghty holdout. Now, we are forced to watch the team come apart because the ole man has to be satisfied. Like the crazy ole king , who will cut off the heads of those who speak poorly of him....Cable won't be able to sit him, the team divides, the HC gets frustrated and we the fans get SCREWED AGAIN. Thanks to all those who have and STILL kiss the king's ass, you have prolonged the Nation's suffering......
JONES
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"...but also there is mistrust and hostility directed at the media."
It's more like a full blown case of scorching paranoia.
On the report that Hanson dropped the dime on Cable, his timing couldn't be any worse. Just when we thought we'd hit rock bottom....
To disgusted to read, just wanted to make a point:
No O-line, No WR's, and Al makes our D run man-man 95% of the time so everyone knows what the coverage is 95% of the timme.
F-ing retarded. Maybe worked on Super-Tecmo-Bowl whereyou had 4 f-ing plays to choose from each down.
-moshbucket
he says:
"Note about the Players/Coaches reaction to the Front Office stupidity...
How can this team be that damn fragile"
WOW.....you kidding? How can they be that fragile? Well let's see.....numerous coaching changes, a wacked out owner, a record losing streak, an out of control front office, a coach who is not wanted by the HC but gets to stay to HELP THE OWNER in his rowe against Kiffin. A QB that is a disgrace, no starting WR's on the team after drafting one in the first round that made everyone laugh. Playing on a team that has no respect around the league.....there is more...if you can't figure it out by now...you must be short a quart.
JONES
I'm new here having left another Raider blog that does not have many mmembers and only a one track minds.
I agrre that JRuss is not the QB of the future. Long Long ago I made a pitch for Garcia whne in philly and ochocinco when he was disgruntled. We could have built around them with half the money they spent on Russle. Sanchez is a 3 game rookie in ny and JRuss is a three year player not even in the league with Sanchez. We can't cut our losses now. We can only hope that Cable and Davis see the light before we get run over by the train.
ace
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i am reading the posts, but i just cannot agree.
our problem is not cable, and russell.
no more so then the problem was shell, and brooks.
or turner and collins.
our problems are much more deeply rooted than this.
it is not merely a matter of changing HC, and QB, yet again.
we've been there and done that, and it hasn't worked.
this organization is beyond needing a "facelift".
it needs open heart sugery, brain sugery, and liposuction, all at the same time.
from scouting, to GM(hiring one), to the owner. everything must be deconstructed, and reconstructed.
anything else is just beating our heads against the wall.
Raider00 - I think many of us agree, but we're torn between a proper implosion of the building and salvaging the season (which sounds tremendously stupid after only 3 games).
Also, so much time and money has been spent, it really boils down to sleeping in the bed that was made for us, like it or not.
Meanwhile, we get to watch from a distance the teams that seemed to know what they were doing in 2009 by adding the right formula of management, coaching and players, e.g., jets, broncos, possibly even the chiefs once Matt Cassell finds his way.
NyRaider,
i hear you, but i just cannot believe that replacing russell, in terms of saving the season, will do any good.
aaron brooks was a pretty good nfl QB before coming to oakland. but with the raiders, he looked like a fool.
kerry collins has had a solid career, yet with the raiders, he looked like a fool.
so just because russell has terrible stats, and, yes, looks like a fool, doesn't mean he would not be a good QB with most any other team in the nfl.
it just looks to me that the raiders offense, no matter who is coaching, is designed to make the QB look like a fool.
hey, it's working like a charm.
Raider00 -
One important difference between the "fools" the Raiders made of Brooks and Collins is that they were given no pass protection.
In this regard, Russell is his own fool, because at times he has had very good pass protection and still not produced.
Perhaps in Russell's defense, he has little talent at WR. The only class so far in this group is a rookie 4th rd pick.
SCAR
I have direct nfl so I did get to see the game.
For only the thrd time in my life watching a Raider game I turned off the TV before the game finished. The first time was game 16, Shell(2-14) coaching the Raiders getting licked by the Jets, and by the fourth quarter, when I turned the game off, The offense was so anemic, I KNEW, let me reiterate, I KNEW that there was no way my team was going to come back and win the game.
Last year I had the honor of watching the Saints ramrod the Raiders when I decided to turn off the game in the fourth quarter
This past sunday, The Raiders offense made me feel the same way. Click. Smell you later Raiders.
There are soooo many things wrong with the Raiders that arent being addressed,and yet as a fan, I am hijacked. Almost makes me feel like I have a habit that I need to kick.
Being able to experience, enjoy, and take part in, as much as a 9 and 11 year old fan can, I appreciate the memories of two superbowl victories(81,83). Lately though my memories connect from one feeling of disgust in my teams performance to the next.
Scorpio,man I hope Russell broke his friends finger. 60 million dollars gets the raiders a thug qb???
SCAR
Not sure the Raiders "cloak of silence" is any different than an organization such as New England. Just that when you lose it gets spun into something horrible... where in NE they win and its spun into something of genius.
Maybe thats why Seymore didn't like getting questioned about his childish on field tantrum? The reporter prolly wouldn't have even gotten close to him at New England.
Scoprio- a variation on that story is here.
Even though one of his friends said it, it's still a concern. His dedication and intelligence is definitely a question mark. Hope I'm wrong, but all these little puzzle pieces are being put together to spell bust at the moment.
Atkinson was always a homer, but I'm glad to see Tom Flores speaking up a bit. Wonder if he'll be banned next.
Welcome, Ace, keep the takes coming.
Regarding the players being professionals who should be totally immune to what's going on in other parts of the organization:
Take the same proven sales team, and put them in different companies.
One company is organized and well run. Logic is evident in the decision making. The top executives comport themselves with professional dignity. There is a clear chain of command, and employees are rewarded on merit, not favoritism.
The other company is disorganized and often illogical in its decision making. The boss is under investigation for felony assault. The VP is ranting incoherently about the media. No one really knows who's in charge. Some employees reap rewards that aren't merited.
Now, in which environment do you think that our sales team is going to go out and perform to the best of its ability? Exactly.
But shouldn't they be able to shut everything out and just sell, regardless of their employer's behavior?
If they were robots, yes. But if they are humans, things like morale and motivation come into play.
That's just life.
The entire organization should be arrested for impersonating an NFL franchise.
The Raiders are the NFL’s version of a Ponzi scheme. We keep investing our time and hard earned money, but they keep squandering the money on something else... ‘cause it ain’t football.
20 years to life.
So, based on your assessment, Take, Russel is a symptom. I get that.
So how is it that Asomough is regarded as the best DB in football? How has he been able to rise above the dyfunction? Is is simply the strength of his character?
JF
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I think that strength of character is part of it.
There are people like Nnamdi who outperform the average when it comes to character, just as there are people who underperform the average (Moss).
I also don't think it's a coincidence that our two top performers, Nnamdi and Lechler, play Lone Ranger positions.
Cornerback and punter are probably the two positions that are least reliant on others doing their job.
Now, before people jump on me and say that a punter needs people to block, etc., I get that.
I'm just saying that you can excel at at punter and man-to-man cornerback without being so reliant on others working as a unit.
That's not the case with a Seymour or McFadden. If the DT is blowing it, Seymour's ability to make an impact is greatly reduced. If the line can't create gaps, then McFadden can't excel.
Year after year, we can't seem to gel as a unit. Frustration mounts and morale sinks, and even really talented players find themselves unable to make a big impact.
I think a lot of this has to do with the organizational culture, which is permissive and disorganized.
We're now at the point where even a Paul Hackett can't seem to make an impact. If you didn't know his resume, you'd be calling him a loser right about now, eh?
PantyRaider, I want to live in the perfect world you depict, please send me a one-way ticket.
Just because something is inexcusable doesn't mean it's not happening.
Wasn't partying on the eve of a crucial preseason game this summer inexcusable? Isn't a team executive ranting like a child about a TV commentator on the eve of a big home game inexcusable? Isn't having "preparation issues" leading up to a home game against the Broncos inexcusable? Isn't having a guy like Randy Hanson around inexcusable? Isn't breaking his jaw and igniting a felony investigation inexcusable?
Inexcusable is becoming commonplace in Alameda.
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I like it. Is there any way for that to include stopping the guy next to me from partying the night before and blowing his assignments?
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We've discussed this for a long time now, and many who previously refuse to lay blame on an organizational level agreed to do so if the status quo of non-competitive football flowed into this season.
This is frighteningly close to becoming a reality for those naysayers.
easy Panty, i think in todays day and age you would first have to file a greivance paper of said player to the Athorities, then you wait to be cleared to speak with said player, then you may reveil your complaints with him. you can't just take matters into your own hands!!!! you'd be creating a distration for the rest of the team.
wow, how i long for the "old days" where men were...... well..... men.
frkyraider
There is 1 example of a player being a positive product of his environment. Michael Huff. It is no accident that Huff is beginning to blossom into a confident, proficient FS. It took the character and leadership of Asomugha to get Huff over the hump. Asomugha mentored Huff. He prodded Huff to watch more game film. He showed Huff how to look at the game film and prepare for the upcoming opponent.
If we had leaders and players with the same character as Asomugha on each unit who took it upon themselves to challenge, inspire, instruct their unit mates, the team would perform at a higher level.
The fact is that Asomugha is a unique and exceptional leader who can have only a limited impact in affecting the entire team.
As I've stated many times before, the foundation of any successful NFL Franchises comes from the owner, GM, HC, and QB. These 4 men (or in our case 3) have the biggest responsibility and positions of leadership.
The owner is the key decision maker and establishes how the organization is run.
The GM, in partnership with the owner and coach, evaluates the roster and acquires the personnel that fits the team's needs and system.
The HC leads the coaching staff and 53 men in executing the game plan.
The QB is the instrument, leader and decision maker for running the offense.
Our owner needs executive help to help manage the everyday football operations and to bear some of the load.
Our HC is trying to find his way and gain traction in less than ideal circumstances. On top of that, his incident w/Hanson has added to the distractions.
Our young QB has started 19 games and is struggling beyond belief with some of the more rudimentary elements to being a proficient QB such as mechanics, footwork, accuracy, decision making.
Russell's regression and our inability to establish the run have caught me off guard.
What is sad to me is that the Raiders offense doesn't need to be a supercharged, potent unit for the team to excel. All this unit needs to do is what you would expect from any offensive unit ... put together a few drives, move the chains, capitalize on red zone opportunites, and take care of the ball.
Well I am not going to a home game till they get a QB, My son an I go to 2 or 3 games a year.
We are apparently taking a seven-year course in Football 101 for Dummies:
Ellis and Richard Seymour agreed with Nnamdi Asomugha’s contention that last Friday’s practice was a big part of the Raiders downfall against the Broncos.
“I think we had a lot of mental errors. Friday practices aren’t tremendously physical practices. But it’s more of a mental day,” Seymour said. “And I think that’s something we all have to tighten up on if we want to be a good football team.
“You’ve got to be in the right place at the right time. The main thing is, what we want to do is take care of responsibilities and do your job. No one can do my job but me. I can’t go out and do the linebackers’ job, the corners can’t come up and do our job. So if everybody takes care of their own responsibilities, I think we’ll be a much better football team.”
“Hopefully everybody learned and we can go out there today and leading up to this game and be more concentrating in practice and eliminate mistakes,” added Ellis. “Early in the week you expect some mistakes because it’s a new, you don’t change the whole scheme but there’s some new things that coaches tell you, ‘For this team we got to do this.’ Today you can kind of expect some mistakes. But when you get down to Friday you expect for it to be real crisp, not so physical practice just crisp and not making
those mistakes.”
Anon, they had 45,000 tickets sold for a game against an AFC rival after a win on the road in the third week of the season. You are not alone, by a longshot.
from the chron: "** Cable said the Raiders hoped to re-sign kick returner/running back Louis Rankin to the practice squad, but he chose to sign with the Seahawks' practice squad instead."
why isn't walker playing?
these are gonna bite us on the ass! i'm sick of these stupid personnel decisions! I'm sure rankin is sick too thus his decision.
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what asomugha, seymour, and ellis are doing is great.
they are stepping forward, and trying to lead to defensive unit.
but we have an owner who is on record saying he doesn't believe in team chemistry, hard work(ken stabler), or disipline.
good luck to these 3 brave souls.
they are vastly outnumbered by the malcontents, and will probably suffer the same fate of past would be leaders, who tried to step up.
the voices of seymour, asomugha, and ellis, will be drowned out by the raiders loser culture.
the raiders, once again, have far too many players, that feel it is easier to accept the al davis scholarship, and paycheck, then putting in the hard work, and time it takes to become winners.
so once again, the crazies run the asylum in raiderland.
or better put, the lazies are running the football team, and the owner has their back.
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Raiders yards per rush = 3.9
Raiders yards per pass = 4.66
We are 31st in the NFL in yards per game right now. We are trailing the next lowest team, the Chiefs, by a full 40 yards per game. Only the Browns have managed to play worse than us on offense.
We are currently trailing our 2006 yards-per-game average (Shell, Walsh & Co.) by 20 yards, despite having three first round draft picks playing at offensive skill positions.
It's a miracle that we're not 0-3 right now.
Yikes! And I seem to remember the 2006 defense being a little better than this year's version.
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99...
100!!!!
Hah! Got it this time.
---Jeff
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Sorry, PR.
Just really, really tired of the bitchin'. Tryin' to live a li'l bit.
Baptized four the other night at the jail, getting started in the PAL program ("God Pod") teaching classes at the prison. Too many positive things to allow the "pitch a bitchin' fit" thang to mess it up.
---Jeff
PR -
"09" "D" is #14 according to the NFL Match-up for this weeks game...
Well....At least were improved on that side of the ball...."
"It's "09" not "06"
“we don't see any signs of the riff that broke-out between the coaches (and players)....”
“There is NO "Mutiny" a brewing here....”
______________________
No mutiny yet, but the ‘09 Raiders have managed to find a whole new set of distractions, and the quality of play on the field has a strong resemblance to 2006.
First, the D is ranked 23rd, not 14th; and we're ranked 28th against the run.
So far, we're falling into the same trap as 2006, with teams being patient and knowing they can run against us.
- thank you AD for picking up Seymour and Ellis, otherwise we'd have zero sacks (and no QB pressure).
- Seabass has as many tackles as Sam Williams.
Meanwhile, this offense is worse than 2006.
- 3 total TDs
- almost 10 minute disadvantage in time of possession.
- Only 3 WRs have a rec, and only one WR has more than one.
- our QB has a rating of 39.8, but he's our guy.
We're definitely on the brink of a breakthrough.
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It's not negativity to call a turd a turd. It's just observation.
The Raiders laid an inexcusable turd on Sunday, one that looked suspiciously like a continuation of the same old thing.
It's up to the Raiders, not me, to change the conversation to a more positive note.
Play well and the conversation changes accordingly. Period.
Sorry Guys, haven't read anything. Been dealing with work and doctors. I've given three vials of blood thus far and they want to take more next week.
Havent found out what the problem is. Keeps reoccuring every so often, but it's back with a vengence this time so I'm hoping they can find out the cause this time.
H
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H, raising a beer here to your swift recovery!
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H - health over football. Be well.
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God love ya Panty, keep up the good fight baby!!!! and i thought I was an optimist, lmao. you give the word new meaning panty, but i love it. i personally feel alot of the same things your sayin, but i just get weary of fight. still feel em, just not motivated to try and sway the others.
frkyraider
I have a better idea. Let's not even put Russell in the game. Let's add a blocker and run the wildcat for 4 qtrs.
If Houston is the worst team in the league against the run (yes, worse than the Raiders), then why wouldn't we expose that weakness?
Personally, I'm going to be pissed off if the Raiders throw more than 10 passes the whole game.
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Get well soon, H. Prayin' for ya', bra.
---Jeff
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H -
I hoist a pint high in the air tonight wishing you the best.
NYR -
If the run/pass ratio is anything less than a 60%/40% split, Cable needs to get his head examined and playcalling responsibilities stripped.
It is so obvious to run Bush inside and McFadden outside ALL DAY long against a team struggling vs. the run. With the way the Raiders offense has been performing, all Cable needs to do is K.I.S.S.
Keep It Simple, Stupid!
The 2 biggest disappointments for me so far this season has been
(1) Russell's performance/
lack of fundamentals.
(2) The Raiders/Cable not committing to the run. The rushing offense was/should be the strength of our team.
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H, my prayers are with you my Raider brother. Take care and get well soon.
Garcia interview:
...quote...
I was the guy who was trying to bring in a fresh outlook and a fresh new start. I was trying to really be that type of guy that could help motivate my teammates and help create a certain attitude, a certain mentality and it was just tough to break through to everbody and that’s where I found it to be more discouraging than encouraging.
....end quote....
Isn't this the same dude that skipped out on most of training camp with an "undisclosed injury?"
What a TOOL!
I no longer want anything to do with this charlatan.
sorry to hear your ailing H. i'm also sorry that last night i drank my share and yours!! not to worry tho bro, i got more and i'll always keep your glass at least 1/2 full!! get well man, we're thinkin about ya!!! cheers to H....
frkyraider
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(2) The Raiders/Cable not committing to the run. The rushing offense was/should be the strength of our team.
>>>>
I agree, but its kinda tough to run when the passing game is so pathetic that teams double the TE and still take away the WR's.
I think doubling the TE kinda leads to a lot of 8 in the box.
Not sure why its so hard for a professional QB and coach to exploit single coverage on its WR's, but it sure seems a chore right now.
Gary:
You are right ... it is more difficult to run with a pathetic passing attack. However, there is enough talent and diversity in the run game to stay with it regardless of whether or not there is 8 in the box. There are creative ways to scheme and playcall which will allow the offense to be in more manageable 3rd down situations.
One set which I wish Cable would use more is the 2 TE set, single back. I also want to see Bush used more in the 1st half to set the physical tone needed to wear down the D. The guy only got 6 carries vs. Denver. What is up with that?
There are also some big play opportunities if McFadden is used on outside running plays where he gets to the 2nd level. Why run McFadden between the tackles?
When was the last time you saw McFadden & Bush in the backfield split wide? Why hasn't the Wildcat been used for a play or 2? Is the draw play not in the Raiders playbook?
Lastly, a team committed to the running game has a certain mentality of being more physical than their opponent. The attitude is "we're going to the run the ball and continually run the ball and fight for every inch."
Bottom Line:
We need to establish the run to set up the pass. To establish the run you need to stay with it.
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PR:
If Cable doesn't commit to the run vs. the Texans then he needs to find another job ... perhaps as an OLine coach but certainly not a playcalling Head Coach.
Let's reveiw:
Russell is struggling to execute the passing game. This includes missing wide open WRs.
The Raiders have 2 rookie WRs starting. This includes a WR (DHB) with 1 reception in 3 games.
The strength of the offense is running the ball.
The Texans are #32 vs. the run
Am I missing anything?
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To continue to play DHB as a #1 WR is beyond reason. If this kid is going to play pro ball, let him earn it on the practice field. So far, he wouldn't even make the active roster on any other NFL team... yet he's our #1.
Meanwhile, Javon Walker is healthy and earning millions to be inactive every week.
Wake up Raiders!
PR - Coaches don't get scholarships, unless they once played for the Raiders. Then they're family, right, wrong, good or bad.
It's called nepotism.
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最近旦那とマンネリで全然Hしてません。正直もうかなり欲求不満です…誰か相手してくれる方いませんか？空いている時間は多いと思うので都合は合わせやすいと思います。お互い楽しめる関係になりたいな。人妻でも平気な人いたら是非相手してください☆一応18歳以上の人限定でお願いします。上はどこまででも大丈夫なんで excellent.lady@docomo.ne.jp
当サイトでは無料でオナ動画を見ることができます。また、ライブチャット機能でリアルタイムオ○ニーを見るチャンスも高く、興奮間違いなしです。また、一人Hのお手伝いを希望される女性もあり、お手伝いいただけた方には謝礼をお支払いしております
日本最大、だれもが知っている出会い系スタービーチがついに復活、進化を遂げた新生スタビをやってみませんか？趣味の合う理想のパートナー探しの手助け、合コンパーティー等も随時開催しています。楽しかった頃のスタビで遊んでみよう
あなたの異性からのモテ度数を診断できる、モテる度チェッカー！日頃モテモテで充実しているあなたもそうでないニートの方も隠されたモテスキルを測定して結果を活用し、今以上にモッテモテになること間違いなし
女性のオナニーを助ける場が救援部です。ここに所属してる娘のオナニーを見て気に入ったら、実際に会ってオナニーを手伝っても良いし、エッチしても良し、これで報酬Ｇｅｔ出来るんですから美味しいバイトですよ
一時代を築いたスタービーチは閉鎖になりましたが、もう一度楽しい思いをしたい、もう一度出会いたいと思う有志により再度復活しました。本家以上に簡単に出会えて楽しい思いを約束します
昨日友達とセフレを作るのが難しいな～、出会い系サイトの規制が厳しいはとか話してて、アダルトSNSのサイトが今のところは狙い目やって聞いたから使ってみたけど、近場で楽にセフレを作れてホンマ手軽やはｗｗｗ
誰にも言えない秘密があります。実はとってもＨなんです、せっかく女として生まれたからにはアブノーマルな世界に飛び込んでみたいです☆普段では考えられないプレイを思う存分楽しみ、経験したいんです♪快楽に溺れさせてくれませんか？一緒に感じ合いましょう！！都合はつくのですぐに時間を合わせられます。18歳よりも上の方がいいです！！ quietness@docomo.ne.jp
流出サイトでは、有名人から素人までの他では見れない秘蔵の動画を入手しています。何より素人が相手の場合に限り、アポを採る事も可能です。動画でお手軽に抜いて、抜き足らない場合は、女の子にハメて来て下さい
日本最大級、だれもが知っている出会い系スタービーチがついに復活、グリーより面白い新生スタビをやってみませんか？趣味の合う理想のパートナー探し、合コンパーティーに興味がある方はぜひ無料登録してみてください。楽しかった頃のスタビで遊んでみよう
あなたのSM度を簡単診断、SM度チェッカーで隠された性癖をチェック！真面目なあの娘も夜はドS女王様、ツンデレなあの子も実はイジめて欲しい願望があるかも！？コンパや飲み会で盛り上がること間違いなしのおもしろツールでみんなと盛り上がろう
女性には風俗がない！そんな悩みを持つセレブ女たちは、リッチセックスでお金を使い自分を満たします。金銭面では豊かですが、愛に飢えている彼女たちを癒して高額な報酬を手に入れてみませんか
女子○生の個人情報公開！？遊び盛りの神待ち女子○生の写メ・アドレス・番号を公開中！好みの女の子を選んで直メ・直電で今すぐ待ち合わせしよう
高級チェリーの冬は童貞卒業のシーズンです。童貞を食べたい女性達もウズウズしながら貴方との出会いを待っています。そんな女性達に童貞を捧げ、貴方もハッピーライフを送ってみませんか
初書き込みで申し訳ないんですが、都合のいい男性探しています。不況の中でも会社が高成長してて、忙しい毎日です。お陰でプライベートが充実していなくって、溜まる一方です。財産的にも多少余裕が今のところあるのでお礼もできます。何より、この書き込みが読まれているのかちょっと怪しいですけど…。アドレス置いとくので、消されないうちにメールくれたら嬉しいです。inspiration.you@docomo.ne.jp
結婚してから女としての喜びを失った玉の輿女性達、エリート旦那のそつのない動きには満足できるはずもなく、時間を持て余すお昼時に旦那のお金を使い、出張ホストサービスを楽しむそうでございます。今回も10万円での愛を承っております。癒しの一時をご一緒して謝礼を貰ってくださいませ
だれもが知っている日本で一番有名な出会い系スタービーチがついに復活、greeより面白い新生スタビをやってみませんか？理想のパートナー探し、合コンパーティーに興味がある方はぜひ無料登録してみてください
当サイトは、みんなが玉の輿に乗れるかどうか診断できる性格診断のサイトです。ホントのあなたをズバリ分析しちゃいます！玉の輿度チェッカーの診断結果には、期待以上の意外な結果があるかも
男性との甘い一時が奥様達には必要になっております。刺激のない私生活はとても辛く、ココロもカラダもストレスが堪る一方、そんな中にデリバリーホストに癒しを求めている奥様、セレブ女性は大変増えてきており、男性の方が不足状態です。女性達の癒しとなる仕事をあなた様も一度体験してみてはいかがでしょうか
メル友らんどでは誰でも気軽にメル友が作れちゃう、参加無料でいつでも利用可能なコミュニティサイト♪ご近所の気の合うリア友や、真面目に彼氏彼女探しなど、楽しみ方は無限大！自分にぴったりの相手を見つけちゃおう
大好評の逆ナンイベントが毎週開催決定！素敵な出会いのきっかけ探し・アイナビにきませんか？積極的な出会いを求める人達なら無料参加OK！あなたもほんの少しの勇気で素敵な彼氏・彼女をGETしちゃおう
一人暮らし寂しいよ～（泣）誰かお家遊びにきてくれないかなぁ？休みの日とかも全然予定ありません。料理作るの得意だから来てくれたら食べてほしいな♪見た目は悪くないと思うから安心してください！(笑)細かい事は気にしないけど18歳未満の人は微妙かな、気軽に仲良くしてください milky-yukinko@docomo.ne.jp
冬に1人でネカフェとか寂しすぎやし、でも自分から積極的に声を掛けれる娘ばかりと違い、内気な娘は神待ちと言われるように自分の事を助けてくれるのを待ってるんです。貴方の優しさを待ってる娘は意外な程多いよ
あなたのご近所の女の子たちと無料でカンタンにであえる家出掲示板！大学生・専門学生、まさかの女子○生まで！ちょっとしたお小遣い稼ぎに全国の女の子たちが殺到中！ノーピンクからちょっぴりHなお誘いまで…自分に合ったコを選んでメッセしちゃおう
簡単な設問に答えるだけで貴方にふさわしい名言がわかる、名言チェッカー！あなたの本当の性格を見抜いちゃいます。世界の偉人達が残した名言にはどことなく重みがあるものです
１人Ｈを男性に見てもらうことで興奮する女性が多数いることをご存じですか？当サイトにはそんな女性たちが多数登録されています。男性は彼女たちの１人Ｈを見てあげるだけで謝礼を貰えるシステムとなっております
最高の遊び場、スタービーチ！日本最大の友達探しサイトがついに復活、モバゲーより面白い新生スタビをやってみませんか？理想のパートナー探しの手助け、合コンパーティー等も随時開催しています。楽しかった頃のスタビを体験しよう
当逆円倶楽部ではリッチなセレブと割り切りでお付き合いしてくださる男性を募集しています。女性の性欲を満たし、高額報酬をもらって楽しく暮らしてみませんか？興味がある方はアルバイト感覚での１日登録もできる、安心の無料入会を今すぐどうぞ。
人妻だけどセフレ募集しちゃいます!こんな女嫌かなぁ？新しい刺激欲しいし旦那以外の男性としてみたいな。エッチのテクはそれなりに自信あるよ、フェラとか上手いってよく褒められます。年上は何歳まででもＯＫだけど年下は18歳までが限界かな、楽しみたい人いたら気軽によろしくね♪ enjoy-smile.of.happiness@docomo.ne.jp
家出中の少女たちの書込が神待ち掲示板に増えています。ご飯を食べさせてあげたり、家に招いて泊まらせてあげるだけで、彼女たちはあなたに精一杯のお礼をしてくれるはずです
セフレ専門出会い喫茶エンジョイラブは店舗型出会い喫茶 ENJOYグループのネット1号店としてオープンしました♪セフレ探しを目的とした出会いの専門店です。Hに満足していない女性達が多数登録。今すぐ即アポOK表示のHな女の子を新着順で紹介中です
熟女だって性欲がある、貴方がもし人妻とSEXしてお金を稼ぎたいのなら、一度当サイトをご利用ください。当サイトには全国各地からお金持ちのセレブたちが集まっています。女性から男性への報酬は、 最低15万円からと決めております。興味のある方は一度当サイト案内をご覧ください
mコミュで理想の恋人を見つけよう！某女性誌に紹介され、女の子の登録者が急増中です。新しい出会いの場としてあまり知られていない今ならメールの返信がすぐに返ってくるかも！？無料登録から始めてみよう
さびしがりやの素人女性や天然娘にメールやチャットで会話してあげるだけで儲かる新感覚のアルバイト「素人ホスト」！未経験者の方でも簡単、手軽に出来るお仕事です。詳細は当サイトでご確認ください
初めての書き込みでちょっぴり緊張してます、男の人と出会うきっかけがなくて！こう言う場をかりてみるのもひとつのきっかけですよね。周りの友達は彼氏とラブラブの毎日、あたしもラブラブな毎日を過ごしたい、21歳の恥ずかしがり屋なんで、年上で引っ張ってくれる人がいいです。メールしてくれたら返事は確実だよ♪ワクワクしながらメール待ってます love.love.happy-@docomo.ne.jp
復活、スタービーチ！日本最大のであい系がついに復活、進化を遂げた新生スタビをやってみませんか？理想のパートナー探しの手助け、合コンパーティー等も随時開催しています。楽しかった頃のスタビを体験しよう
家出・神待ちサイト神風は家出少女が集まる人気サイトをクチコミから集めた家出サイト専用のリンク集です。風のように現れる神となってあなたも家出少女を救ってあげて下さい
ランク王国でもご紹介された右脳左脳チェッカー、天才肌を見分ける楽しい盛り上がりツールとして今、支持をうけております。みんなでやれば盛り上がる事は間違いなし診断結果でも全国ランキングなどにランクインされて面白さ倍増！話のネタに一度はどうぞ
ゴージャスなリッチセレブリティ達のアダルトコミュニティーサイト！お金と時間に優雅なセレブ女性達はアダルトコミュで男性との秘密交際を楽しんでいるのです
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ゅめの*。ぉ部屋☆+.プロフ作りました♪彼氏募集中ｗバレンタイン前なのに→アソンでくれるヒトいなくて(泣)寂しいデス↓メアドを乗せておくので遊んでもイイヨ～ってヒト、メルちょうだいネ☆
飲み友探してまーす☆気軽に楽しく一緒に飲みに行きませんか？（*^_^*）そんなに強くはないけどね(*μ_μ) イイお店とか知ってたら案内してほしいです★時間は夜遅くでも空いてますよヽ(^o^)丿飲み友探しなんで二十歳以上の人限定ー(*・人・*) 年は23歳だよ！メールよろしくでーす！ red-rose.ray@docomo.ne.jp
新しくなったスタービーチは新しいであいのカタチを提案します★ あなたに出逢いたい人がここにいます。
神待ちサイト ガールズBBSは家出少女を救う神待ち専用の掲示板です！登録無料で家出少女と出会えるチャンス
人生の勝者＆敗者を容赦なく測定できてしまう勝ち組負け組チェッカー！資本主義の日本で貴方は果たして勝ち組になれているのか？あるいは…気になった人はぜひチャレンジしてみてください
高額アルバイトでは大人の恋愛を求めた風俗嬢や社長令嬢といった女性達が多数登録されております。裏風俗とまで呼ばれる逆援助の交際をあなた様も求めてみませんか
伝説で終わらせるにはもったいない。完全無料でさらに面白くなったスタービーチの再来！実績と信頼の上に成り立つスタービーチならではのであい!安心してご利用いただけるブランドだからこそ自信を持ってお勧めします
ゴージャスなリッチセレブリティ達のアダルトコミュニティーサイト！お金と時間に優雅な高級セレブ女性達はアダルトコミュで男性との秘密交際を楽しんでいるのです
変な性癖があるのはどう思いますか？私、獣姦とか好きなんです…いきなりこんな話驚きますよね…引きましたか？Σ(゜□゜(゜□゜*)野外とかにも興味があります！変態チックなのもたまにはいいですよ＼(^-^ )こんな私にメールしてくれるとうれしいです。メールから色んな話しましょ(^_^)年上の人がいいです、私は27歳ですよ！それでは、メール待ってますね sasisuseso309@docomo.ne.jp
ツイッターで始まるであいの掲示板は新感覚のコミュニティ☆男女とも無料の年齢認証登録だけで即参加！！掲示板に参加後はプロフ作成やお友達検索、メッセージの交換等など多彩なコンテンツで貴方のであいをしっかりサポート
皆様お待たせしました！！伝説の出合い系サイト、スタービーチが遂に復活！あの興奮を再び体験できる！思う存分出合いをお楽しみください
精神年齢チェッカーであなたの実際の精神年齢が、簡単な質問でわかっちゃいます。普段は子供っぽいあの人も実は大人の思考の持ち主で子供っぽく振舞ってるだけかも知れませんよ
ゅめのプロフ作りました☆バレンタイン前なのにアソンでくれるヒトいなくて(泣)寂しいデス↓↓遊んでもイイヨ～ってヒト、メルちょうだいネ
今やモバゲーは押しも押されもせぬ人気SNS！当然出会いを求めてる人も多い！そこで男女が出逢えるコミュニティーが誕生！ここなら友達、恋人が簡単にできちゃいますよ
今や女の子のひとりHは常識。しかもお金を払って実際にひとりHを見てもらい、恥ずかしがるのや褒められるのが興奮のツボ！そんな彼女達とオナメールやオナ○ー救援部でHなことしてみませんか
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