Who Needs A General Manager?
Do the Raiders need a new GM, in practice if not in title? Call it a football "czar" or "personnel guy" or whatever.
Whatever you want to call it, do we need it?
Well, that depends on whom you talk to. Around here at Raider Take, my persistent agitation for executive assistance has caused quite an outcry. Which is puzzling, because the desperate need for added executive assistance is rather self evident, is it not? Even John Madden admitted as much.
Can you give me one priority that trumps our need for added executive help? Crickets, baby. Crickets.
So are you for or against the executive status quo in Alameda?
It's a simple question that some refuse to answer. Yes, they agree that a GM is needed...until you say that a GM is needed. Then it's: How dare you suggest such a thing!? We're fine!
Into this bizarre state of cognitive dissonance walks Scott McCloughan, the now former GM of the 49ers, who was dismissed for undisclosed personal reasons unrelated to performance.
McCloughan has family ties to the Raiders, and the Raiders (allegedly) need executive help, so it's not hard to connect the rumor dots with regard to his potential candidacy as a Raiders executive.
Personally, I'm all for it. At this point, I'll take any legitimate candidate with a pulse over the snail-like pace of our current executive search, which was supposedly launched many moons ago.
I'd prefer a search that is proactive rather than reactive. Waiting for someone like McCloughan to get axed from his job for personal reasons doesn't exactly scream "master plan in effect," but again, beggars can't be choosers.
So are you for McCloughan joining the Raiders? Or do you prefer the executive status quo?
Whatever you want to call it, do we need it?
Well, that depends on whom you talk to. Around here at Raider Take, my persistent agitation for executive assistance has caused quite an outcry. Which is puzzling, because the desperate need for added executive assistance is rather self evident, is it not? Even John Madden admitted as much.
Can you give me one priority that trumps our need for added executive help? Crickets, baby. Crickets.
So are you for or against the executive status quo in Alameda?
It's a simple question that some refuse to answer. Yes, they agree that a GM is needed...until you say that a GM is needed. Then it's: How dare you suggest such a thing!? We're fine!
Into this bizarre state of cognitive dissonance walks Scott McCloughan, the now former GM of the 49ers, who was dismissed for undisclosed personal reasons unrelated to performance.
McCloughan has family ties to the Raiders, and the Raiders (allegedly) need executive help, so it's not hard to connect the rumor dots with regard to his potential candidacy as a Raiders executive.
Personally, I'm all for it. At this point, I'll take any legitimate candidate with a pulse over the snail-like pace of our current executive search, which was supposedly launched many moons ago.
I'd prefer a search that is proactive rather than reactive. Waiting for someone like McCloughan to get axed from his job for personal reasons doesn't exactly scream "master plan in effect," but again, beggars can't be choosers.
So are you for McCloughan joining the Raiders? Or do you prefer the executive status quo?
posted by Raider Take at 9:31 AM
336 Comments:
Take,
I'm for it. But, I'm still not going to get my colon all kinked up if it doesn't happen.
H
Take, such a lot of straw men. Nobody ever said here, to my knowledge, that Al couldn't use some executive help. Name somebody who has. I don't think you can.
I've said repeatedly that he does, but I also have said that it is something he will do on his own timetable, as he admits that help is needed as well.
I have also said that such a hiring will do little to quiet the attitude here, because whomever is selected, it will be the wrong choice.
Interesting, JONES. I speak of Russell as a poor kid from the deep south and you equate it with racism. Who's the racist here? Do you actually believe the only poor in the deep south are of a certain race?
Calico, I think my point was very clear. Russell doesn't know jack about negotiating a football contract, nor does he know, necessarily, when to hold out as a strategic option. Nor does he understand how much he's going to miss at an NFL training camp until he's actually participated in one.
Now, that's not always true of every prospect that comes out of college, but it certainly appears to me that before Russell gained fame on the field in college, he'd led a rather isolated existence. In fact, the only QB I know of in the NFL who negotiates his own contract is Culpepper.
So, no, Russell didn't know jack about the inner-workings of an NFL team until he had the experience in one. He didn't have your ability to look in the rear view mirror at the time.
Take, it's interesting to note that after cutting ties with McGloughan the 49ers say they may not employ a GM. Huh. What do you know. It appears that ALL NFL teams don't necessarily subscribe to your idea of what EVERY NFL team does.
"Can you give me one priority that trumps our need for added executive help?"
Yes.
It's called, "consistently making better decisions." I don't care who makes them, just as long as they get made.
Personally, I think they have been making better decisions since Shell II. There have been several obvious clinkers, but by and large I think the team is improving. I'll stand by that and expect to see it on the field this season.
You don't expect to see it. It's by far the easier choice to make. You have seven bad seasons to ride on.
What I expect is that the media will continue to ride ANY possible hint of controversy, but I expect the team to display a little fresh air this season on the field.
Well, Blanda, there's been a lot of disagreeing with me for saying that executive help is desperately needed and that it qualifies as our top priority.
The illogic of we "disagree to agree" seems to be rampant around here.
And just because the Raiders are doing it on their own timetable doesn't change my opinion (which is apparently a fact, since everyone supposedly agrees with me).
And since this is our top priority, it's naturally going to get top billing on a Raiders blog. H calls it colon twisting. I call it common sense.
By the way, if you think that the debacle of the Kiffin era (which included some of the most insane free agency behavior in the history of the NFL) was some great improvement over the Shell II era, then you haven't been paying attention.
We've also had three first round Top 10 offensive draft picks since Shell II, yet our offense was as bad as the Shell II model in 2009.
The defensive unit under Shell II was the best of any Raiders unit since Shell II.
And, Calico, when did I ever use the term "illegal." My point is merely that when you hire a doctor, a lawyer, an agent, a tax advisor, etc., you take their advice. Since an agent is typically going to take between 15 and 20% of your contract money, it seems like a sizable waste not to take the advice you're paying for.
I'm glad you think that players should be charitable and altruistic, only to take the money YOU might think they deserve. But the world just doesn't work like that.
Take, you should really try to make a habit of reading my entire post before commenting on what I said. I think I said that the Raiders have made several clinkers in that time (Kiffin and a couple of the free agent signings being among them).
Regarding the three suspect 1st round draft choices, I think it may prove that Russell is a bust (but that's a risk you take in the 1st round), but I think that McFadden or Bush will develop into what we need at RB, and DHB will improve.
The point of drafting Russell in the first round was to get a franchise QB. We may have one in Gradkowski.
Also, I think most of the lower round picks and free agent signings over the past couple of seasons has been outstanding.
Why do I think that DHB will improve? Because last season there was too much working against him. His selection gave him distracting controversy; the injury to Schilens and the ineffectiveness of Higgins made him the focus on the field. This year little attention will be paid to him, and we'll be able to hide him between Schilens and Murphy, allowing him to break out in single coverage more often.
Blanda, I did read your comment in full.
You used Shell II as a line of demarcation for better decisions.
I disagree. If you look at coaching hires, free agency and draft behavior, it could easily be argued that things got worse, not better, in the first two years after Shell II.
If the decisions had been appreciably better since 2006, we wouldn't be where we are now, which is still trying to exceed the five-win mark.
That said, I have seen some recent progress. Last year was better overall, but it was marred by some hideous decisions.
Vote: FOR
However, IMO, it's not a question of want or need; even Davis conceded he needs help. It's just that he prefers not to solicit it (or that he’s back in denial).
The real problem, as I see it, is that neither Davis nor the Raiders (as I believe Davis sees them) are ready for the infusion of executive talent.
The reason is simple. Who gets the credit if and when the Raiders turn things around?
Sounds stupid, but don't think for a minute that Al Davis (and his massive ego) is going to allow someone else to take the credit for bringing the Raiders out of a seven-year, record-setting tailspin after Davis, himself, couldn't.
IMO, Davis will continue to ride the current waive of futility until the Raiders (if only accidentally) reverse their fortunes for the better.
That’s why the timing of this couldn’t be worse.
So what appears obvious, isn’t so obvious at all. IMO, we are stuck with the executive status quo until further notice, or at least enough time to post a few more billboard ads.
Here's my answer:
http://www.messagetoal.com
Look at H, kissing up to Balanda, how dare I call Balanda a closet racist, huh H? H, your poor attempts of being "Mr. Intellectual" and above it all to "Mr.Chainpuller". You must be a Gemini hey H? Make up your mind what your persona is.
Balanda, you wrote
"A twenty year old kid, who comes from a poor family in the deep south, who has never likely even had a checking account=(WTF).... and say, "Hell wit you!=(WTF) I'm goin' with my gut! Al Davis will take care of me!"
Closet racist = Balanda. Why don't you just say he came off the cotton fields and never even knew what money was? LOL...face it old man, your Archie Bunker is showing.
JONES
"It's called, "consistently making better decisions." I don't care who makes them, just as long as they get made."
How are they going to get made? Obviously, the way things are now, it isn't going to happen. Obviously, if Al Davis is overseeing how decisions will be made, it will be the same result. So, how are these decisions going to get better? Tell us Balanda, say it, come on, say it..and then I'll give you a treat..good boy.
JONES
Russell will start, how is this "improving"? Now the team will slump into their " we won't play for this guy" and de ja vu all over again.
Grad isn't going to start, anyone pushing that dream better wise up. Huey was brought in to start Russell. Davis wants his "boy with no checkbook" to be in there and he will.
Russell is showing he hasn't learned his lesson, can't teach a poor, deep southern boy new tricks, right Balanda?....he is lazy and he don't care. Grad is busting his butt and Russell is saying "it's a work in progress".
Then we have those who say "look at Stabler, he didn't produce until his 4th year, look at Bradshaw" Blah Blah Blah. This is TODAY, those days are GONE. If a QB isn't showing much by year 2, he ain't going to do it. Russell is now way past his due date and we are going to have to watch this garbage all over again, MARK MY WORDS.
JONES
RT,
As usual with the Raiders, things are never so crystal clear.
Of course we need a GM, but someone who is allowed to do the job.
If it's just another Al puppet, hanging around, collecting a free paycheck, well, we don't need that kind of GM.
Okay, JONES, you got me. I'm a racist. Please don't tell my African/American wife.
God, what jerk you are.
Well, I will never know for sure if you wife is black. Post a picture of her, so we know you aren't lying... Pantyraider used to write that he had a 15 yr old asian as his wife, was I supposed to believe that too?
If you do post a pic it better not be a picture off an Aunt Jemima box either...cause I have eaten plenty of those pancakes and I know what she looks like.
Does your wife know you talk about poor southern boys like that Balanda? She would be offended, I'm sure.
JONES
from J-Mac:
"I think McCloughan would be a good hire for the personnel department. That's his strength, he was miscast as a GM, which Raiders don't want anyway, and isn't afraid to speak his mind and make his case. No indications that's on the horizon, however."
I believe it's extremely unlikely that Davis will hire a GM anytime in the foreseeable future. The man thinks he's still 60, not 80.
JONES, you seem to believe, as I said earlier, that all poor people in the south are black (or that all black people in the south are poor). - And you're calling me the racist?
As a matter of fact, I did once post a picture of the my wife and I together. And yes, you are supposed to believe Panty in that he got married in a country where marriage laws (and the age of available women) are somewhat different. If you could see beyond that turd you call a nose, you'd probably understand that. But in your favor, that's one big turd to see past.
Thanx for the new post RT.
Jmac said today in his live-chat that he thought McCloughan would be excellent as a personnel guy, but not a great GM... seems like a perfect fit for the Raiders, because Al is the GM anyway.
I'd be all in for Al hiring him hands down.
Thanks Gary.
P.S. I'd like to remind everyone that personalized attacks and accusations that are clearly outside the scope of football debate are counter to the spirit of the site. Help me out, please.
BR -
You just don't get it.
Before Russell was even picked by the Raiders, there was an established pay range for previous #1 picks and QBs to use as a guide. There was also an established or average pay raise from year to year. In 1 hour I could put together a spreadsheet that shows all of this data for the previous 10 years.
For example, let's say that the average jump in pay for a #1 pick from year to year has gone up anywhere from 10% to 15%. Let's say that the #1 pick in 2006 received a contact of $55M with $26M guaranteed.
It is VERY easy to extrapolate what the parameters of Russell's contract should be on day 1 of the negotiations.
Yes, there is a range and the contract itself has some complexity to it but guess what ... that is for the agent to understand and communicate to his client.
"Russell doesn't know jack about negotiating a football contract, nor does he know, necessarily, when to hold out as a strategic option."
I never implied that Russell knows nor should know the art of negotiation. His a QB not an agent. With some very basic data provided by his agent though, he should have a very clear picture of the going rate for a #1 pick. Further, Russell, just like any other #1 pick, should have a good idea of what is an acceptable comp. package (ie. minimum guaranteed part, # of years, total contract).
"Nor does he understand how much he's going to miss at an NFL training camp until he's actually participated in one."
Holding out as a strategic move only makes sense in the context of a contract offer that isn't within his requirements. Holding out to get the same offer you received 4 months ago doesn't fit as a "strategic move".
"it certainly appears to me that before Russell gained fame on the field in college, he'd led a rather isolated existence."
A young man who went to a HUGE school (LSU) for 3 years, traveled across the country, was interviewed by newspapers and t.v. personalities is NOT someone who has lived on an island. Once again, it is the agents JOB to provide the information to the client and for the client to make a decision with what to do with this information.
"So, no, Russell didn't know jack about the inner-workings of an NFL team until he had the experience in one. He didn't have your ability to look in the rear view mirror at the time."
Not quite sure why you continue to make things so complicated. To act like Russell didn't know about the going rate for a #1 pick and the importance of attending training camp is simply not believable from a basic common sense standpoint.
RT:
To answer your blog question, YES, I would love to see McCloughan or any other capable executive hired.
As I understand it, McCloghan can't work for another NFL team prior to the draft.
What I would like to see, for once, is the Raiders being pro-active about bringing McCloughan on board. There needs to be some leg-work done, a plan in place, and specific parameters to a potential role McCloughan would serve in 2010 and beyond.
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Calico Jack said...
RT:
To answer your blog question, YES, I would love to see McCloughan or any other capable executive hired.
As I understand it, McCloghan can't work for another NFL team prior to the draft.
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Doesn't mean he can't talk to Al off the record about draft picks... wink wink nudge nudge.
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What I would like to see, for once, is the Raiders being pro-active about bringing McCloughan on board. There needs to be some leg-work done, a plan in place, and specific parameters to a potential role McCloughan would serve in 2010 and beyond.
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Considering Al's hatred for anything 49er, this could work in the favor of him getting hired.
"It is VERY easy to extrapolate what the parameters of Russell's contract should be on day 1 of the negotiations."
Also, having the #1 pick in the draft allows you to negotiate with your prospect(s) prior to the draft; something the Raiders brilliantly chose not to do.
They stuck with the cone of silence method.
Example of why we need a GM.
In april's draft, our pick should be MLB, Rolando Mcclain. Tough, smart, lives for football.
But, the pick will end up being one of the LT projects.
Why ? because instead of taking the best player, the Raiders will probably use the pick to try and help their hopeless claim that, "Russell will be great".
I know, I know, it hasn't happened yet, but can't you just picture the 1st round reach ?
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raider00 said...
Example of why we need a GM.
In april's draft, our pick should be MLB, Rolando Mcclain. Tough, smart, lives for football.
But, the pick will end up being one of the LT projects.
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Example of how Al is damned if he does, or damned if he doesn't.
LT's are such coveted top-10 picks because its about the surest thing in NFL football. Its hard to even find one that is a bust... and the example most people would come up with is Gallery, and if he were on a better team, would be a PRO BOWL guard.
Most experts have us picking a LT, while most fans I see are wishing for one because our O-line was so horrible last year.
Now 00 here preemptively posts that if we pick one, its evidence that we need a GM!!!
Unbelievable!
No 00... if Al picks the fastest WR, safety, or CB at 8 it is an example of how much we need a GM.
If he makes a SENSIBLE pick (to need) like LT, DT, or lastly MLB, if anything, its an example that one is unneeded... especially if he keeps knocking the later round picks out of the park as in previous years.
Sorry to shit in your Cheerio's.
Calico:
I get it just fine. But YOU are not JRuss' agent. You might just consider that a professional negotiator of athletic contracts might have a little different take on things than you do, considering you have absolutely no experience in the enterprise at all. That's what YOU don't seem to get.
And the other reality is that in this market, with this much money being transferred, agents - even though they are required by ethics to only act in the best interest of their client - will work in their own self interest in order to attract the most desired athletes to their stable (and also to pump up their 20%). Russell would have no concept of the difference between the two and his view of reality would be the one his agent wants him to have.
You can argue the way you think it ought to be all you want. But it ain't necessarily so.
"Russell would have no concept of the difference between the two and his view of reality would be the one his agent wants him to have."
Poor Russ, never had a checking account and now he has no concept of reality. Poor guy, he is just an arm with no brain and no idea what money is, according to Archie. Damn Balanda, why don't you just call him a retard?
JONES
Gary Said,
"No 00... if Al picks the fastest WR, safety, or CB at 8 it is an example of how much we need a GM."
Ummmm, sorry to wake you from your slumber Gary, but hasn't Al already done this many times ?
With you, it's always, "the next time".
"Example of how Al is damned if he does, or damned if he doesn't."
Well, you can look at it this way, but remember, I am reacting to 7 seasons of epic, record setting losing.
With you it's the tired, "Al can do no wrong". I guess Gary Van Winkle was fast asleep the past 7 years.
Finally, if you did try to sh*t in someones cheerios, you would probably miss the bowl, just like you always miss the point.
"I get it just fine. But YOU are not JRuss' agent. You might just consider that a professional negotiator of athletic contracts might have a little different take on things than you do, considering you have absolutely no experience in the enterprise at all. That's what YOU don't seem to get."
Of course I don't have any expertise in negotiating contracts but that doesn't mean I can't use my real world business experience and common sense to make my point clear which is ... no matter how you spin it, the agent was hired by Russell to serve Russell's best interests. You can try to make it seem more complicated but it really isn't.
"And the other reality is that in this market, with this much money being transferred, agents - even though they are required by ethics to only act in the best interest of their client - will work in their own self interest in order to attract the most desired athletes to their stable (and also to pump up their 20%). Russell would have no concept of the difference between the two and his view of reality would be the one his agent wants him to have."
BR, I get the fact that an agent is going to try to make as much coin as possible so don't bother going there. The reality is that the agent received the same fee that he would have earned with the original contract offer. In other words, you are telling me that the agent wanted to have Russell holdout for 4 months so he could make the same amount of money? Yeah right. Your point makes no sense. If Russell would have received a larger contract than originally offered, then you could say "See Calico, the agent negotiated a BETTER deal and earned a larger fee." Ooops, I guess that is a moot point.
"You can argue the way you think it ought to be all you want. But it ain't necessarily so."
Sorry Blanda but we will just have to agree to disagree. If you think that Russell, his agent, or the Raiders are/were better off for having a 4 month hold out, you are clueless.
Bottom Line: The agent didn't serve Russell's best interest nor his own.
hi everyone. haven't had time lately to drop in but i hope all is well w/ each and every one of you my fellow raider fans. just waitin' on al to F-up another draft!
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Ummmm, sorry to wake you from your slumber Gary, but hasn't Al already done this many times ?
With you, it's always, "the next time".
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Thats not what you were whining about though was it?
You were whining (like a petulant child, I might add) that if Al picks a LT instead of MLB it is an example of the dire need for a GM.
If any of the above is inaccurate, I suggest you sprinkle more fairy dust on it, because those are pretty much your exact words.
Jesus.
_BOTH_ LT AND MLB are HUGE INCREDIBLE GARGANTIOUOUS NEEDS!!!
Do I need to make this clearer to you?
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You were whining (like a petulant child, I might add) that if Al picks a LT instead of MLB it is an example of the dire need for a GM.
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And I was ignoring the fact that THE PICK HASN'T EVEN BEEN MADE YET!!!
Good lawd....
If there was ever a team that didn't need more executive support, it's the Raiders.
We've got Tom Cable, who was stripped of his OC duties because he was admittedly spread too thin. He must have been too busy flexing his executive powers in addition to figuring out who to start at wide receiver.
And we've got an owner who is surely improving his ability to handle the dual duties of owner and GM as he turns the corner toward being 81 years young.
Best of all, our owner is aggressively correcting the problems that have plagued his operational approach over the past five or so years.
In fact, they weren't really problems in the first place, because Raider Take was routinely shouted down for calling them problems.
We're one left tackle away from paradise, baby.
Feel free to disagree to agree with me.
Gary, you are amazing. You twist my take into a pretzel, and then say you don't understand it.
Here is what I said.
With the 8th pick, Raiders should take BEST MLB in draft, Mcclain.
But Raiders, with "Russell will be great", in mind, will take one of the project LT's that fall to 8th spot.
To be more specific, I'm talking about Anthony Davis, and Bruce Campbell. Both are players that look better in the gym, then on the football field.
However, they are the type of player Al Davis loves to burden his coaching staff with.
Now, I aknowledge this is just my opinion. Al could shock me and pick Mcclain.
But judging by our recent drafts, I don't think so.
To sum it up for you Gary...
IMO, Al will put proving "Russell will be great", ahead of winning.
And that is a big reason why we need a GM.
I believe there are rock solid picks for us to make in the draft at #8. If we take any of these guys, you won't hear me complaining. As a matter of fact, I will be quite pleased.
Ndamuong Suh - DT (long odds)
Gerald McCoy - DT (long odds)
Trent Williams - OT (unlikely)
Bryan Bulaga - OT (unlikely)
Russell Okung - OT (unlikely)
Rolando McClain - MLB (available but unlikely for Raiders to take a LB this high)
There is a very good chance that the 1st 5 guys will more than likely go in the 1st 7 picks. My hope is that one of them falls to #8. If we ended up with McClain I would be happy. Our run defense would improve.
On the other hand, if we end up with any of these picks, I will be quite perturbed for a whole host of reasons.
Bruce Campbell - OT (not a legit 1st round pick let alone #8)
Anthony Davis - OT (bad value; Davis is more sloted for a #13 pick; nevertheless it wouldn't be a complete head-scratcher like DHB)
Charles Brown - OT (PFT has him slated to go to the Raiders; Brown is a 2nd round pick)
Eric Berry - S - (great player who doesn't fill an immediate need and would not make a significant impact as a #8 pick at safety)
CJ Spiller - RB (fastest 40 time in the combine ... uh oh!)
As H would say, there is no use in getting my colon in a twist ... we will all have to wait until the selection is made.
But let's not kid ourselves ... this 1st round pick is critical to us turning the corner. The building blocks of ANY successful team come largely from the 1st 3 rounds.
Coach your an absolute idiot and a damn liar...
"RT"...Close your eyes because this is a personal attack on a piece of lying scum...
For the record my black wife died 19 seasons ago and I married my Khmer wife at the age of 17 after she lost her mother in death one yr ago...
For the record you are a total piece of shit so that turd on you face is just a genital wart and evidence of your disgusting birth when 2 freight trains bumped together and you fell out of a hobo's ass...The stench continues to rise like the scum on a Louisiana swamp...May you get swallowed by a gator and shit out again...
It's the "Rapture"...Coach is re-born in shit again and again...Total excretion!!!...
Football...
Talks between the Raiders and Philly are reportedly about McNabb but don't believe it...I'm about to get my boy Michael "DawgMan" Vick whom I pimped last season and was repeatedly bashed for it but in your hind-site don't you now wish we had him...LoL...
"BR"...Left you a message the other day and just did a drive-by to see if your still around...Hi Gary -n- "H"...Remarkable you still hold up the hope of the franchise despite all the attacks...Negativity abounds...
It's a new season and another time for hope as we look forward and fortunately I found a site with a decent mix of positivity so it's not all "Doom-n-Gloom"....
"GM"...We have a "MGP"...Get over it...Still regurgitating that same old crap...Talk about beating a dead horse to obliteration...Freakin Unbelievable...Almost a year passes and it's still that same damn topic...
PantyRaider...Go Big Al...Go baby Go....
To work and ignore all the cryin...
I just lov that "Cone-0-Silence"..
Log in not workin!!!/_
For the record...
-W- the 8th pick in the 2010 NFL Draft the Raiders select....
"CB"....Haden...
WHY!!!...
"OT" -n- "DT" are already off the board so look to the top rated "DE" or "CB"...I believe Al loves this "M-t-M" cover freak who loves to hit and is strong in run support -w- great speed over any "DE" that high in the draft...Put him opposite Nnamdi and back him up with a "S" like "M&M" and dare the "QB"s to go after Nnamdi...
Once again on paper we look to have a shut-down secondary of young high draft picks...
"OT"-n-"DT" will be addressed starting in rd #2...We also trade for "BM" from the "Donko"s to solidify the "WR" position after the draft so there ain't no 1st rd picks given up...
PantyRaider....On The Record Early!!!/_
"We're one left tackle away from paradise, baby."
Can I "disagree to agree?"
We're not one step closer than we were five, six or seven years ago.
No O-line.
No legit starting QB
No MLB
No Nose Tackle
No standout RB
No standout WR
And last but certainly not least: No GM.
Sure you can fantasize that we have some of these things, but we don't... the evidence is pretty overwhelming.
So, unless we have like 5-6 picks in the first round....
Lets look at a team that kind of fasttracked to legitimacy and how they drafted... the NY Jets drafted in FRONT of us in 2006 and only won 4 games three seasons ago... but went deep into the playoffs last year and are poised to become a powerhouse.
Where did it start?
The fourth over all pick in the draft... what did they do? Pick a LB? DT? QB? Nope.
They picked D'Brickashaw Ferguson... LEFT TACKLE. He has since started every game for them since and has played in a pro-bowl.
After that they added a pick that would drive the IAAFers absolutely nuts... a CB with a 4.38 40 time.
Wasted pick right?
Nope... his name is Darrelle Revis, now known as the top CB in the NFL.
After that they knocked their first pick out of the park, right?
Nope... Vernon Gholston... if Al had picked him it would be evidence of all is lost right??
Last year they traded up to draft a franchise QB who looks pretty good.
But my my point is that things didn't get kick started until they drafted a LT.
THIS is why I think Al should simply draft the best available LT at 8 and be done with it.
I don't care which one... they all are getting off-the-charts raves... so I am not listening to anyone claiming someone like Campbell won't be any good. I'm sorry, most of the actual experts disagree.
Panty Raider is back! Scorpio, too. Very cool.
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To sum it up for you Gary...
IMO, Al will put proving "Russell will be great", ahead of winning.
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So your point is that the only person that would benefit from a blue-chip LT would be RUSSELL??
I'm sorry I twisted that "logic" like a pretzel... because its retarded.
Why?
Number one... ITS NOT EVEN CLEAR THAT RUSSELL WILL BE QB NEXT YEAR!
2: The LT is arguably the most important offensive player besides QB... adding a blue-chipper helps the ENTIRE line. We can flip Henderson to RT, and then whomever we have penciled in at RT can compete for the RG. So one player can turn crappy line into a pretty good one almost instantly.
3: A stud LT doesn't just help the QB (who for some reason you think will be Russell despite no facts) he also helps the running game. Most of the blue-chippers coming out are getting raves for their run blocking too... do you not think better blocking might help Bush or McF as much as Russell???
Do I need to go on 00???
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Most of the blue-chippers coming out are getting raves for their run blocking too.
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The only one not getting run-blocking raves is Williams.
If Gallery can stay healthy, imagine the roadgraders on the left side with a run-blocking LT??
Henderson looked ok in pass-protection early, but never got many raves for run blocking.
A Shell/Upshaw-like tandem on the left side would be an unbelievable upgrade.
If he could survive the Snake pit of Hurrera and Taylor he might make an impact. No matter what we NEED someone to take a fresh look at our organization and make Major changes to our approach to the draft and the free agent market. Thats just the tip of the iceberg
though as this team has been without good management for a very long time.....2002 to be exact....Welcome back RT its always a treat to see your new posts..
Raider Greg
Oh look, it's freakyraider now back as Rich...scratch that puntyraider. Any way you cut it, a 50 yr old marrying a 16 yr old is down right whacked. Just like your posts, multiple handles and don't forget your takes.
Truth hurts huh, now we have more insane ramblings by the "crew", oh goody.
JONES
Gary -
I like the idea of making the Jets a blueprint for the Raiders to follow. There were many other components to their success, such as hiring a top-tier HC prospect who seems to be making waves.
Calico:
"Of course I don't have any expertise in negotiating contracts but that doesn't mean I can't use my real world business experience and common sense to make my point clear which is ... no matter how you spin it, the agent was hired by Russell to serve Russell's best interests. You can try to make it seem more complicated but it really isn't."
No, Calico, it really is. You're talking from the perspective of someone who's had plenty of business experience and is quite a bit older than 20. View the world, for a moment, from Russell's perspective, not your own.
"Sorry Blanda but we will just have to agree to disagree. If you think that Russell, his agent, or the Raiders are/were better off for having a 4 month hold out, you are clueless."
Strawman? Much? Who the hell said we were better off with the hold out. I'm just explaining it, and you're saying there is no explaination other than Russell's greed and laziness.
And you keep talking about the final contract. Gee, Calico, I think I know that the contract he signed was pretty close to the one Davis originally offered. In fact, I think that's where I started. The point is, the effort was made to increase that contract for Russell's benefit. That was Russell's AGENT's decision - the guy paid by Russell to make that call. There's simply no argument against that.
Balanda, you have NO CLUE. You use the idea that Russell is just a pawn to an agent who is in it just for his take of the contract. That the agent calls the shots to get more money so his cut will be more. Now think for a moment, if you can. If an agent is just in it for his cut, is that good business? Would that agent be an agent for very long? What player would hire an agent who screws up careers for his own gain?
Russell, if he cared more about the TEAM would have forced the agent to accept a contract and get his ass in camp. And, as you can see from this year, Russell is in no hurry to get his ass in camp.
Blaming it completely on the agent and saying " Russell just doesn't know any better" is just stupid. Coming from you, we shouldn't expect any less.
JONES
PANTY!!! Great to have you back!
Don't worry about JONES. He's one of those wads who feels it isn't sufficient to speak your opinion. You must debase, insult, and stamp your feet regarding anyone who disagrees. You know the typical childish drill.
But there are a few who still talk football around here. H, Gary, Calico, and a few others know how to express an opinion without making it a personal vendetta.
It appears that the Raiders are mostly viewing OTs so far. That doesn't necessarily mean that they pick an OT at number 8. In fact, the one's they've publicly scouted are 2nd to 5th round picks.
I wouldn't discount the Raiders drafting a CB (but not likely with the #8 pick). Perhaps nobody has noticed that CB is a position of need. The have three, but they need a fourth and possibly fifth.
I think it is indeed possible that Suh may be around at #8, but I don't think it's likely. McClain could be a possibility, depending on whether Morrison gets an offer sheet.
Calico:
Yes, I've heard the rumors that Davis doesn't like to draft LBs in the first round. I also heard the rumors that Davis doesn't like to draft QBs in the first round. I've also heard the rumors that he doesn't like drafting OLs in the first round. That should give you an idea of the quality of such "information."
Frankly, the reliable information that I've heard regarding Davis' preferences is that he WANTS (he does not insist) potential game changers to be drafted in the first round. MLB could fit that in view of the Raiders' suspect run defense.
Panty:
You see, the deal with JONES is that he has a secret master plan to save the Raiders from Al Davis. If you express an opinion that is not previously approved by JONES, you endanger that heroic plan. In that instance, he'll get angry, and in a fit of Hell Fire he might call you "Punty." Very fearsome. I'd watch your step.
"Don't worry about JONES. He's one of those wads who feels it isn't sufficient to speak your opinion. You must debase, insult, and stamp your feet regarding anyone who disagrees. You know the typical childish drill."
All I ask for is truth backed by facts. Not dreamy BS stories that have no basis in reality. If you want to write something based in reality, I have no problem with it.
It's the BS propaganda and the smugness that you post it with. If you want to be truthful and sincere, I'll talk football with you all day.
I don't know your motivation for spreading the BS, won't waste my time trying to figure it out, but, I will knock it down with the truth every time. I'll be here, just as long as you are spreading the BS, keep it real, Balanda.
JONES
See what I mean, Panty. He called me "Balanda." I'm weeping.
Gary says:
I don't care which one... they all are getting off-the-charts raves... so I am not listening to anyone claiming someone like Campbell won't be any good. I'm sorry, most of the actual experts disagree
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What experts are you talking about? Campbell has consistently been pegged as one of the most overrated players in the draft. The guy doesn't have the skill-set to be a dominating OT. If Al drafts this guy, it'll be another disastrous pick. Only Al would draft someone like this in the top 20, much less the first round. Campbell is clearly a 'project' pick with very high bust potential. I have to have faith that Al gets that speed is the least important metric when it comes to OT's. Come on Al. Prove you're not as clueless as your loyalists for a change.
Drafting OT's is only a sure-fire thing when you have quality prospects in the draft. This year's crop of OT's is pretty average. None of them is worthy of using a first round pick on, but the most desperate of GM's will probably do so anyway. Davis is another guy that is seriously overrated.
"So your point is that the only person that would benefit from a blue-chip LT would be RUSSELL??"
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So Gary Kiper Jr. is saying Anthony Davis & Bruce Campbell are blue chippers ?
Your the first I've heard make that claim.
Yes the Jets built an 0-line with a great draft that found Fergurson & Mangold.
That's because the Jets have a GM who can judge talent.
Al Davis tried to build a 0-line too when he picked "Blue Chip" LT, Gallery, & center Grove.
Except Al cannot judge talent anymore, and the high draft picks turned into one left guard.
How many teams use a #5 pick on a LG ? Only the Raiders. It wasn't the plan, but it was the best they could do without a real GM running the team.
Yes Gary, please go on. I need the laughs.
When did this blog become nothing more than an insult contest? This used to be a great outlet for my year round football fix, now its just the internet equivalent of a fucking bar fight.
We all want this team to win right?
ESPN says we're trying to Get Donovan McNabb but no one on this blog can take a minute out of there "catchy metaphor" filled hateful sounding diatribes to even comment on it!
As raider fans we need all the allies we can get.
Kumbayah.
Donovan McNabb said he wants to play for a championship team (he would prefer that team to be the Eagles). I believe he stated he would NOT play for the Raiders. Seems pretty moot at this point... a non-story that has grown legs in the media.
Derick, there will be no McNabb in Oakland. He'd be too expensive unless we dump JRuss first, or trade him along with whatever else for McNabb. It is possible, as Panty says, that the Raiders are actually after Vick, but that too would seem to fire up an unintended controversy - both in terms of a QB controversy and the dog issue.
It's a feeler and nothing more. The press gets excited about a lot of things, usually of their own making. At least that's my take on it.
Good point, Derick. I'm not a nanny, I expect everyone to clean it up for the sake of the community here that we've all worked hard to create.
If there is any truth to the rumors that the Eagles would do the deal for a 2nd Round Pick, I could totally see it happening. And as for McNabb not wanting to play for the Raiders, we all know that kind of stuff tends to go out the window when big dollars start getting thrown around. Al has a way of "setting people's mind at ease" in those situations.
I'm not even sure how I would feel about it. Its clearly an upgrade at the position, at least in the short term, but I had actually kind of looked forward to Gradkowski getting his shot this year, maybe taking a QB in the mid to late rounds (Dan Lefebvre??) and going from there.
We'll see.
Just posted on profootballtalk.com:
First rumbles of McNabb-to-Raiders trade terms emerge
Posted by Mike Florio on March 25, 2010 6:37 PM ET
Every once in a while, we develop a tipster who builds a track record of providing tips that end up being true.
And one of our latest tipsters who has been accurate with past tips (for the most part) has now given us a tip regarding the trade terms that possibly would send Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb to the Raiders.
Per the tip -- uncorroborated but nevertheless intriguing -- McNabb and cornerback Asante Samuel would go to Oakland, and cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha would go to Philadelphia.
If this is true, so much for the Raiders "quiet offseason"
Welcome back PantyRaider. I hope Southeast Asia has been good to you.
McNabb would be a big upgrade at the QB position and he should have 3-4 more good years left in the tank. The acquisition would certainly create a buzz of excitement.
On the other hand, I don't think the timing is so good.
Unlike previous times when we acquired vet QBs Plunkett and Gannon where we already had a solid nucleus of proven players in place, this time is vastly different with a subpar OLine, unproven RBs and WRs and a team mired in 7 consecutive 11+ loss seasons.
If we get McNabb and snag either Trent Williams, Bryan Bulaga, or Russell Okung with our 1st round pick ... that would make a big difference in my expectations. The trifecta would be signing McCloughan in April.
Derick from section 344 said...
I couldn't agree more which is why I left for so long...The "Melt-Down" has been pathetic...
However...I did comment and here is the prof as noted by "BR"...
Football...
Talks between the Raiders and Philly are reportedly about McNabb but don't believe it...I'm about to get my boy Michael "DawgMan" Vick whom I pimped last season and was repeatedly bashed for it but in your hind-site don't you now wish we had him...LoL...
The trade you speak about could be interesting...I also saw it at the Tribune...But who wants to lose Nnamdi..."AS" is up-n-coming but not of the same caliber I think...I would be more excited about getting a younger Vick who is vastly more versatile and has fast legs which would take heat off that poor "OL" play...
Remember losing C Woodson and look what he has become...We should have had him all along opposite Nnamdi...Now we could take Haden and be in a similar situation...OR...As you say trade and still pick Haden and have young "CB"s who will develop together -w- the young "S"s...
PantyRaider...Possibilities Abound!!!/_
"BR"..
That "Thing" that calls himself a "Coach" is no more than a lying shit eaten nat that attempts to annoy while projecting itself as having the "Truth"...What could be further from reality than that...Total darkness abounds...
Hi "RT" -n- "CJ" -n- "NYR"...
Prolly wont be a regular again because I just don't see the value in a pissing contest over ridiculous topics that never go away...I would just like to talk football about my team from as positive a position as can be mustard considering our recent losing ways...I for one will never start a season in the dumper proclaiming all is lost before the 1st snap of the ball...So I have sorta become a regular at another site with a good mix of the "pos" mixed in...Gives me something to look forward to...Disagree without it being personal in a "Lov da Raiders" venue...
PantyRaider...Get That Ship repaired -n- Ready For Battle!!!/_
Panty is back so buckle your chin straps!
Se-Wa-Dee-Kob
I think McNabb would be a great get. Just a few questions though. Would Gradkowski give up his number?
Also, WHO'LL STOP THE RUN?
What nonsense. Both lines stink. That should be the focus.
If the thought process is to bring in McNabb as a tutor to Russell, same body type, etc., waste of time. I don't think Russell gets it or ever will.
Corection...
"AS" was taken @ #120 the same yr as Nnamdi was taken @ #31..."03" Draft Class...So they are the same age and experience...What the hell would be the advantage of a trade like this...A 1st rd for a 4th rd player and they give up one of their starting "QB"s who has helped them win for years...Doesn't make any sense to me at all...
PantyRaider...Don't Like It!!!/_
Hi mendf...
Su-sa-die from Cambodia...
Beach front double unit townhouse ($120/mo) in Koh Kong and a high rise apartment ($300/mo) in Phnom Penh...Funny how much cheaper it is to live here...And now I have work as Tech Dept Chief/Heat Treating Specialist/Field Gemologist for a ruby/sapphire mining corp making US type wages...Almost money to burn Ha! Ha!...
But now I also sit in a cubicle waisting time talkin football...The shame of it all...
PantyRaider...Still Trying To Get NFL Live!!!/_
Look at all the personal attacks from the "crew", very onesided, don't ya think? But, I guess it's alright when I'm attacked, right RT? They claim I am the one calling names, just look at BR and PR's attacks, if I did that, RT would be deleting them. Guess RT has a warm spot for the "crew" seeing as he was a member not to long ago.
Let the BS fly, it's that time of year, isn't it? Like Sarasota Raider said, " is it September yet?" Once the season starts and reality cannot be denied, the dreamers will disappear AGAIN. This is their time cause any scenario can be dreamed up, like the one where the Raiders start to make the right decisions. Until proven otherwise...same ole same ole.
JONES
PR -
I hope to hit Thailand in August. Last year we rented a 1 bedroom apartment in the heart of Thailand for $85. It gave us a central place to unload our baggage, take showers, sleep while traveling light to other destinations. When I retire I plan to get a place in So. Thailand. Satellite dish and cold Singha. Life is good.
As far as Mike Vick ... thanks but no thanks. His legs aren't the same ... he has lost a step or 2 and he is not an accurate passer. He is beyond rusty and his ship has sailed.
If we don't get McNabb, I am still excited about the possibility of Gradkowski being our starter from day 1. I like his moxie, toughness, attitude, and improvisational skills.
PFW and Yahoo have Trent Williams projected as the Raiders pick. TW would be a GREAT pick-up.
Keepin-it-positive, CJ
"CJ"...
Retirement here is easy but now the new government of Thai is not so good so I moved to Cambodia with my wife...$271/yr for the multiple entry visa...
The thing with McNabb is his health...He has trouble finishing a season...Vick came back fairly well when he took over and he is much more durable....His mobility makes him difficult for the "D"s to defend and our "OL" is very suspect even if we add a new "OT"...
I don't expect that to happen in the 1st rd simply because Al wont settle for second best...He will want the best player on the board at any given position...Also the talk about the "ZBS" was that it works without having the top talent so that is another negative toward getting that "OT" in the 1st...
I projected what I believe Al will do not what I personally would do...I would go after that "DT" 1st and even move up to get him and 2nd go after the "OL" help..."LB" -n- "CB" would also be on the list..."OL" is deeper this draft as it appears now while "DT"s are few...
I look at what I believe will happen and try to see the pos in it with a new "CB" across from Nnamdi who hopefully does not get traded away for a "QB" who has durability problems when on a team with a much better "OL" than ours...
PantyRaider...Anythings Possible Teams Want To Trade Down!!!/_
I like McNabb, but he’s not going to be a Raider.
A - he doesn’t want to play for the Raiders (this is relevant since he’s in the final year of his contract and won’t sign a deal to be a Raider).
B- Davis shouldn’t (and hopefully won't) carry two mega-million starting QB salaries.
C- McNabb can’t win with a good team, so how’s he going to win on the Raiders?
D- we'd have to give up at least our 2nd round pick to get him.
I agree with CJ that the timing is all wrong. We need an O-line first.
IMO, McNabb represents another flashy player that fans think can help the Raiders. The only way we get McNabb (before we develop an O-line) is if we have yet another breakdown in management, which is entirely possible.
If Davis dangles that carrot, like he has for so many others, McNabb could be our next Randy Moss or MeAngelo Hall.
Of course, if the Raiders chose not to bolster their O-line, they may need to carry four QBs.
NYRaider,
I agree that the Raiders need to improve their 0-line.
However, I am not willing to see them reach for an LT like Anthony, or Campbell with pick #8.
I believe Mario Henderson did a solid job at LT, and do not think the above mentioned players would be an upgrade.
The better way to proceed is to take MLB Rolando Mcclain with 8th pick, and to find a Center, and Right Tackle in later rounds.
I think we will be ok at the Guard position this year. Also would help if WR's get open and QB's are not holding ball forever.
The Raiders need to finally address their poor run defense. Selecting Mcclain would give us all something to be hopeful about.
The good LT's just will not be availabe for us at 8. No sense in forcing the issue, and blowing yet another critical draft.
McNabb:
I suspect this is another going nowhere prediction from PFT. Eventually they'll just pretend like they never said it.
And the report of Nnamdi headed over for McNabb and Samuel makes no sense, because Philly says they'll take anything above a #42 pick. We could send them the #39 pick and keep Nnamdi right where he is.
I also agree with Calico that the timing is bad. McNabb may have another 3-4 years, but don't count on it. If Philly is willing to let him go, there's a reason. I'm also excited to see what Gradkowski can bring this spring.
After getting Gradkowski, Frye, and Russell ready to compete, while having their various teammates support their favorite QB, think of the disappointment this would create among THREE QBs when they are told to sit down and watch McNabb.
McNabb is not the QB of the future, and he's not the face of the franchise. He'd be a temporary mercenary and placeholder. Then we'd likely have to start all over again with another QB search.
Raider00 - aside from the top two DTs, I have no real favorites in this draft. I'm ok with McClain, but even he may be a reach at No 8.
I just hope the Raiders don't "reach" as far as they did last year with DHB.
Everyone likes to point out some recent success the Raiders have had in the later rounds to suggest the Raiders are actually good in the draft. That's moot after you serially miss in the top 2 or 3 rounds, when it counts the most.
The Raiders have an opportunity (like every year) to select two players from the top 40 players in college. Can they actually screw it up, again?
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I believe Mario Henderson did a solid job at LT, and do not think the above mentioned players would be an upgrade.
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Were we watching the same games?
He started out all right in pass protection, but was a turnstyle by seasons end (perhaps because defenses had tape of his tendencies?) What happens if he starts off where he left off last season? Another full season of turnstyles on both sides of our lines? Yikes.
And even if you are right and Henderson beats out blue-chip... what do we do at RT? Barnes? Yikes again... worst case scenario in drafting a LT at 8 is Henderson beats out blue-chip so we plug him in at RT (Like what Balt did with Oren) and we have rock solid corners on the line.
Worst case scenario with McClain is he struggles at MLB in the pro's (like most rookies MLBs do) and we are last against the run again.
The learning curve for LTs is like night and day from MLB (Thats another reason they are so popular in the top ten, they are plug and play.)
McClain would actually be a wild gamble similar to Al taking McF two years ago.
Lemmee guess... you were cheerleading for THAT too?
Sorry 00 a sensible GM would pick a LT over a MLB.
You want Al to gamble again... we can't afford it!
I dispute that we've seriously misfired over the first 2-3 rounds. Only our #1s over the last three seasons have struggled. Personally I feel that McFadden will eventually step up, and DHB as well. Both have solid work habits. McFadden has been repeatedly bitten by injury, and I don't think DHB is hopeless.
Back to old news, everyone thought that Nnamdi was a wasted pick for almost three years.
Well Gary, there's no doubt we can use a "Blue Chip" LT, as well as a MLB. I think we can actually agree on this.
Where we part ways i guess is, I believe Mcclain is a better prospect then any LT that would be available at the 8th pick.
As far as Mario Henderson is concerned, He did not look as bad as it seemed.
Remember, the offense had rookie WR, DHB running around out there without a clue, and QB Russell, holding the ball forever, like a dope.
Also rookie Murphy had his ups and downs.
Add to this no running game, and it could serve to make an 0-lineman look worse then he is.
I also agree that the real sore spots on the line are center & RT.
In my previous post, I suggested good value could be found in the draft at these positions in rounds 2 through 5.
Again I say, why reach for a project LT, when we can have perhaps the best LB in this draft.
All of this is probably moot anyway, as Al must have his eyes on a speedy DB.
Blanda - Yeah, we also took Tyler Brayton in the first round the year Nnamdi was drafted (2003). And what ever happened with Fabian Washington, who was another first round pick?
The Raiders have missed the mark badly in the first round.
Is it wrong that Gary is making sense to me? We need an OT to challenge Henderson, with the worst case he becomes a serviceable RT.... who's got to better than Barnes or Green. (WTF was Buffalo thinkng? Didn't they learn their lesson w/Walker?)
Then things should be looking up for you, 00. The LTs that the Raiders have been looking at are projected from rounds 2 to 5.
However, if the Nnamdi trade rumors have any validity, don't be surprised if the Raiders look to DBs in the first round. We are short a CB as it is, and if Nnamdi's gone the position will draw added focus.
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And the report of Nnamdi headed over for McNabb and Samuel makes no sense, because Philly says they'll take anything above a #42 pick. We could send them the #39 pick and keep Nnamdi right where he is.
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Actually it makes no sense because why on earth would Philly do it?
They'd be giving up McNabb and a 28 year old pro-bowl CB with 35 career interceptions with a SB ring, for a 28 year old pro-bowl CB with 11 career interceptions that has never been on a winning team.
It would be an upgrade for us at two key positions!
I'd love to see how Gradkowski does as full time starter next season but if they are going to gift wrap us McNabb... I'd do it in a heart beat!
NY, I don't count Brayton. He played fine in his rookie year as DE, and then Ryan attempted to turn him into an OLB for three seasons. Then he was returned to the line as a DT. The fault for that on is on the coaching staff for screwing up his development.
As for Washington, he's doing fine. I think I saw that he was rated about 58 out of the leagues 260 or so CBs. Not the best in the league, but he's a starter.
Gary, I'd be very careful about saying that Nnamdi is second rate because he's on a losing team. And the only reason that Nnamdi only has 11 career interceptions is because NFL QBs are scared to death of throwing to his side of the field. He was only challenged, what, 26 times all of last season. Not even twice a game.
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In my previous post, I suggested good value could be found in the draft at these positions in rounds 2 through 5.
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The facts just don't back this up 00.
The drop off from the blue chip LT's and the round 2 and 3 LTs is like night and day.
Langston Walker is a perfect example of a second round LT... didn't we just pick him off the scrap heap for a 6-pack and a bag of stale Cheeto's?
I'd be very surprised if all four of the blue-chip LT's aren't starting and making a huge impact this year.
There's terms for second round or later LT's:
Right tackles; or backup LT's.
Few ever develop into starting LT's.
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Gary, I'd be very careful about saying that Nnamdi is second rate because he's on a losing team.
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I never said he was second rate... just that Samuel might actually be an UPGRADE.
You wouldn't pull the trigger on a trade that brings both a pro-bowl QB and a pro-bowl CB to us for Asum?
I would hands down!
Nobody knows how well Asum would do if challenged more because it has never happened.
Samuel has proven if challenged he will intercept the ball... and sometimes in the biggest of times.
The SB interception was amazing, IIRC, and helped NE win a SB.
Why they let him go is an example of Billicheat thinking he is smarter than the game.
Oops... I forgot about Samuels SB drop that would have won him his second ring... maybe thats why he was shipped out.
But the point stands... getting two pro-bowlers for one at TWO key positions should be a no-brainer.
Think of it this way. McNabb was afraid to challenge Nnamdi when they played last season.
Second, McNabb has, at the outside, 4 more good years. All of our current QBs are in their twenties. If we bring in McNabb, within four years we start to QB carousel all over again.
I think I have enough faith in Gradkowski and Russell to believe that one of them will prove sufficient. I expect that would be Gradkowski. But it's still possible that Russell will show up.
Part of the deal will be for McNabb to mentor Russell when he gets here. In that case we would be waiting for three more years to see if Russell still refuses to work hard.
Its an interesting debate Blanda... and I also want to see what we have in Gradkowski... but the trade is still tempting.
Its all just empty debate anyway, because McNabb has already said he doesn't want to come here.
I think that pretty much seals it.
Gary:
McNabb never said he didn't want to come here. He said that he wanted to stay in Philly, but barring that he wanted to play for a contender. McNabb still has to decide for himself whether the team he lost to in 2009 has the ability to turn the corner.
The current "conventional wisdom" says that NO PLAYER wants to come to Oakland, and the players that are here want to leave. They said Seymour didn't want to come, but he came and says he wants to stay. Nnamdi had the chance to get out, but chose to stay, and says he wants to remain.
"Conventional wisdom," created by the media, is rarely true.
Blanda - "I don't count Brayton."
Does that mean we get to pick and choose which 1st round draft picks we consider a bust?
Because the Raiders didn't development the kid doesn't make it any better; probably worse.
So in addition to not drafting well, the Raiders struggle to develop young talent.
You can blame the coaches and coaching turnover all you want, but that doesn't change anything.
The Raiders inability to draft and develop young players starts with their inability to scout, manage and coach. This is why we can't win more than five games a season. It's not rocket science.
Gary, just to make clear.
I am advocating the Raiders do not take a LT in this draft.
I believe the Raiders can find a Center and/or RT, in rounds 2-5.
I think Mario Henderson will be much improved if Russell, DHB, Murphy, and Shillens can get on same page, and Qb can get rid of ball faster.
Rolando Mcclain would help Raiders horrible run defense.
Again, just my opinion, but that is where I'm at.
NYRaider, I've been saying since 2006 that the Raiders' current problems stem from their inability to develop young players since the Gruden years. That came from an adherence to acquiring aged stars on the verge of retirement, and failing to let the draft picks play.
And you're right, it's not rocket science in that the Raiders seemed to have figured that out a couple of years ago. But when the cupboard is bare, it takes a little while to restock.
I know that this is all way to complicated for the "all problems stem from one source (AD)" crowd, but it is what it is.
raider00, I agree with what you just wrote almost completely. The only difference is that I'd be okay with drafting an LT, but ONLY in the first round.
I do, however, think Henderson will be fine. If the Raiders do draft an LT in the first round, it will mean that they believe in Henderson less than we do.
What I am most concerned with this off season is closing those defensive holes that allow way too many breakaway plays. I think Hue Jackson and better QB play will take care of the rest.
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Gary, just to make clear.
I am advocating the Raiders do not take a LT in this draft.
I believe the Raiders can find a Center and/or RT, in rounds 2-5.
I think Mario Henderson will be much improved if Russell, DHB, Murphy, and Shillens can get on same page, and Qb can get rid of ball faster.
Rolando Mcclain would help Raiders horrible run defense.
Again, just my opinion, but that is where I'm at.
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I don't have a problem with any of this. I have already stated a month ago I'd be fine with McClain.. he looks like a stud. I hope you are right about Henderson.
But what you said now is very different than saying that picking a LT is an example of mismanagement. Those are the things that drive me crazy. If you had just made your case why you think Al should pick McClain, I prolly wouldn't have said a word... and if I had, it would have been in partial agreement, although I'd prefer LT, DT in that order over MLB. A lot of those early LB's are flameouts.
This years pro-bowl featured 2 UNDRAFTED LB's (James Harrison and London Fletcher) one 4th rounder (Dumervil)and one 2nd rounder (Woodley).
The only first rounder was Beason at 25, and Ray Lewis was the FOURTH LB taken at 26.
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McNabb never said he didn't want to come here.
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This is prolly incorrect. He specifically said that he didn't want to play for the Raiders or Buffalo.
At least according to Adam Schefter.
[shrug]
OTOH... Patrick Willis and DeMarcus Ware were both picked in the top 15.
If McClain's all he is cracked up to be, I down wit dat!
The McNabb rumors don't seem to be going away, so maybe if there is smoke there is fire?
There is also a rumor that JaMoney is weighing in at 290... so considering there is a weight penalties in his contract, he might be eating his way out of his job.
McNabb with Gradkowski as backup is a HUGE upgrade over Grad with JaCheeseburger as backup (or Frye).. but it would require some more veteran pickups to keep him happy, one would think (a reunion with TO?)
This could get interesting quickly!
I'm probably late to the Do We Need a GM discussion, but hey.........
To say that I'm for it would be an understatement.
Davis has never had a winning period that did not have a GM-level executive between him and the coaches.
Ron Wolfe, Al LoCasale and Bruce Allen were all instrumental.
It's not coincedence that each time one of them left, Raider winning walked off a cliff.
After Wolfe left for Green Bay, we had such FA disasters as Larry Brown and Desmond Howard. After Allen left, we seriously cranked it up with Javon Walker, DeAngelo Hall. And lets not forget Art Shell and Randy Moss. Our drafting sucks also: Heywood Bey, McFadden, Russell etc.
We've been a top 10 drafting team for years and have managed to develop a bottom feeder team.
Drafting, free agency, coaching and bringing-in character players all improve when Davis has someone he trusts to help with the decisions.
When Davis mentioned in 2008 that he was bringing-in a local executive, the first (and only) guy I thought of was McCloughan.
I'm still hoping.
Take, you need to make a rule that you can't drag laundry from the previous take into the new take. Was nice to see a new take up, but not nice to have to try to wade through the a bunch of crap that has NOTHING to do with the current take.
Good to see Jones still acts like a monkey slinging chit from his cage. I guess he'll call me racist now.
I would be down with the dude from across the bay. Seems to be a straight shooter not shy from telling Al how he feels. Maybe the 'family' issue is he wanted to be on the same team????
On another note, I would be OK with the Namm for McNab trade. I love Namm, but he's one man in the secondary and can only do so much. Each guys basically on a 1 year contract anyway, and it would end the 'qb competition' crap, and hopefully send fat-ass on his way.
I would love nothing more than to have a 290lb pro-bowl QB, I just don't think JR has the mental capacity to ever get there.
-moshbucket
I'm in agreement that Al needs (real) help in the executive front. Herrera is not helping; but it looks like we may get McNabb first.
I like McNabb, I think he is a decent QB, and is a strong RB away from the "promise land". I don't know about trading Nnamdi for him though, and then getting a zone-cover guy like Samuel. Maybe Michael Bush or McFadden, along with a draft pick; but not Nnamdi.
Panty-It's good to have you back. I've been away for awhile myself. You said that we are still talking about the same thing as we were for the last few years (maybe with a little more negativity). Yeah, you're right; because the Raiders are still facing the same problems, and at the same time creating more holes to fill. Again, we go into a season filled with questions that haven't been answered.
Example, can McFadden stay healthy enough to carry the load of RB; especially now that Crash-Test Dummy is gone? Cable thinks he can, but is also talking a big game for Bush.
Example #2, can our WRs pull it together? Example #3, have we made defensive improvements to stop the running attack of our opponents?
Example #4, has Russell improved at QB enough to step up as leader?
Example #5, who is going to play weakside LB?
These questions are still being asked, as well as new ones like: Who will replace Morrison if he doesn't sign his tender? Who is going to start opposite of Nnamdi? How will we improve our Special Teams play on punt/kickoffs? (Answer: by drafting Jordan Shipley in the 2nd Round).
Now time for my draft picks:
1st-Dez Bryant, WR, OK State
2nd-Vladimir Ducasse, OG, UMass
3rd-Jordan Shipley, WR, Texas
4th-Ciron Black, OT, LSU
5th (a)-Camaron Thomas, DT, North Carolina
5th (b)-Eric Olsen, C, Notre Dame
7th (a)-Jeff Linkenbach, OT, Cincy
7th (b)-Richard Sherman, CB, Stanford
Raided Nate 75
RaiderNate75....
I acknowledge most of those questions but they are a little different than last seasons list...
We were concerned about keeping Nnamdi -n- Shane and asking who would play "DE" and whether we could get payment for our "DE" in a trade...Who would play the "WR" position was a huge question mark as well and whether Walker was worth keeping...He wasn't..But along came Seymour and Ellis so those were worthy additions and we got a 3rd for our ejected "DE"...
We were also asking could Bush show up at "RB" and speculating about how strong our running game would be sense the "OL" had another season under their belts in the "ZBS" and another full season working together...Well all of that got answered but certainly not the outcome most of us expected...
I was "Pimping" DawgMan Vick and everyone was slapping me for it but I would imagine now many wish we had had that option to go to as the season wore on...The old "QB" got flushed and the young guys stuck which is what I wanted but that was most certainly not the results I expected...
Cable's "JawBone" incident was front page all season but his coaching was not...
We went threw another season without a "GM" because we have a "MGP" while as I remember the "Donko"s -n- "Dawgs" also went without the "GM" and now it appears "SadFran" may join that list...
Talk and speculation was about how "KC" was going to rebound now that they had their "GM" from "NE" and that new "HC" from the "StickerPatch" while the "Donko"s were going to be great with their new "HC" also from "NE"...HindSite...I guess I was correct...It meant nothing at all as they continued their same losing ways...
Madden was being pimped as the second coming of Madden as he was going to come in as "GM" and help Cable be all he could be...Well as rumours go why the hell now should we put any bank into the crap that's flying around this season...
It's another season and another episode of unclear vision as we all try to speculate about where our team/franchise is heading...There are positives in the air as well as those perpetual negatives that some find so dear...As for me I just chose to look forward and hope for the best and deal with the reality that is while I project all the positive possibilities that are out there and see which ones actually develop...
By the way...No way we go "WR" in the 1st and NO way we want Dez...He is far too slow and has far too many questions following his game.."BM" trade is most likely after the draft..
PantyRaider..."CB" @ #8!!!/_
Agree we shouldn't draft a WR with our first pick, but claiming Dez is too slow is nonsense. We heard the same rap about Crabtree and going back, even Jerry Rice. The two most important areas to evaluate a receiver in are hands and route running technique. How fast one runs the 40 is a ways down the list.
Straightaway speed is much more important in evaluating a RB prospect, but vision and quickness(foot speed/cutting) is much more important.
The idea that "hard work" will allow H-bey to develop football instincts and larger hands is absurd. The fact is that this guy didn't even excel at the college level and there is NO way he will in the NFL. He also exhibits no lateral quickness, and breaks out of his cuts rather slow. I've never seen a rookie WR look so bad. Double-teamed? Who the heck would bother? Good grief. Even Renaldo Nehemiah had better football instincts.
Raiders are rumored to be asking about Sage Rosenfels of the Vikings. It's a good move to sign a vet QB, but I'm hesitant to agree with trading for McNabb because of the excessive cost and his high expectation to play for a winner. The latter may be too much to ask of the Raiders, with so many holes to fill. One QB can't change seven years of disastrous play, no matter how good he is.
I know so far they are only rumors, but why should Raiders give up Nmandi to get Mcnabb ?
Nmandi is one of the top 3 cover corners in the league. Is Mcnabb one of the top 3 Qb's ?
And it looks like we have finally found our new big body to plug middle of d-line.
His name is.....Jamarcus Rusell.
Judging by new reports, Jbust is eating his way right out of football, which is alright with me.
Goodbye Jfatslob.
onandonandon...
Clarification: My comment was in regards to the Raiders drafting the Too Slow "WR"...It just wont happen...
But besides the speed issue for the Raiders I am not impressed with the dude...I don't feel he merits as high of consideration as he is getting...Maybe this "WR" class is just that weak...
As for "DHB"s ability to lean to run patterns better and to become a more consistent receiver where does this notion come from that those things are un-teachable...Granted...If he has small hands they wont grow long but just how small are his hands...The reports were that he lets the ball get to his body instead of using his hands now I know damn well that can be improved with hard work -n- concentration wrapped in desire...
Here is a pleasant article and a positive outlook on our team and up-coming season...the question is can "YOU" see any improvement here..
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2010/3/28/
1394472/a-look-ahead-the-2010-oakland-squad
PantyRaider...No Too "McFrail"!!!/_
Follow-Up On "DHB"s Learning Curve:
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He showed up at Maryland with a label on his back, one tagged each year to a handful of players at every program across the country. The Project. It's a label given almost always to an exceptional athlete who, for a variety of reasons, isn't a natural football player. They have the tools, the talent, but lack the natural instincts.
"We knew he was fast - that he had legit Olympic qualifying times," Maryland wide receivers coach Bryan Bossard said. "But he couldn't stop. That's 90 percent of our game, being able to transition with speed and not tip off your transitions."
What Heyward-Bey had to work on, and what he's still working on to this day, was making every release, and the first 5 yards of every route, look the same. Then, he had to learn to focus on running his routes at the proper depth, had to control his body at top speed. And he had to catch the ball again and again until his hands hurt. It was a repetitive and sometimes mind-numbing process. But it was essential to what came next.
Heyward-Bey went from almost being asked to leave to being one of the most exciting players in the Atlantic Coast Conference as a freshman. He was the Terps' leading receiver with 45 catches, and his 694 receiving yards were eighth on the Terps' single-season list. In a nationally televised game against Miami, Heyward-Bey caught a deep pass and streaked down the sideline for a school-record 96-yard touchdown. In the same game, he also had a 65-yard touchdown catch. Maryland won, 14-13, and almost out of nowhere, Maryland had found an elite playmaker.
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Now no where can I find any info on the size of his hands but obviously according to his college coaches his weaknesses are things that can and have been improved but he is not yet a complete player...What is said about him is that he is an attentive student and has the desire to improve and become an impact player so for right now that speaks very damn load to me and I'm down with that boy...
PantyRaider...Go "DHB" Go Baby!!!/_
How is it, not one picture of Jafatass? Doesn't anyone know where he lives? I found this pic of him coming in from Vegas, he looks in good shape ........http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_3K88Os_ixFc/SsjrTK_h7dI/AAAAAAAAA68/rlh2LC2H-fI/s400/jamarcus.jpg
He is harder to find than Bin Ladin .. if he is at 290, the Nation will have a price on his head. It will be one of the biggest thefts in pro sports history. Wonder if he cares if he ever plays another game in the NFL.....OR, is he trying to get cut? Maybe the CFL will take him? What happened with Eddie Anderson? Is he fat now too? Ole Man Willie said we would be amazed at how much weight Jafatass has lost, he must of been at 310 then.
Who will be the next multi millionaire? Will he have talent? Motivation? Football IQ? Work ethic? OR will he be some freak that hits the jackpot? It's almost expected to go the way of BUST. How many have we seen? The draft is no longer exciting, it's dreaded, just hope to get out of it before it's too much of an embarrassment.For the love of pete, let someone else make the picks, don't care if it's one of those psychic hotlines, just someone else.
JONES
Damn!!!....Sign Me Up Coach!!!/_
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There's just way too many rumors and conspiracies out there (Nnamdi, McNabb, Rosenfels, Al Davis on the grassy knoll, etc.) I think I'm just going to have a few beers and wait for the draft.
In the Army we set up an unofficial rumor controll committee. It's purpose was to actually start inane rumors to see who would bite.
I think that's what the media is doning now. They seem to just be throwing everything they can think of against the wall to see what will stick.
Hell, why not got all the way. Let's get Brett Favre out of retirement AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN. After all, we had Blanda. But, at least he could kick.
H
Welcome back Panty, now if we can just send out a search party for Psycho. I'll donate a case of beer for bait.
Jones, I've seen a picture of Blanda's wife. Very attractive. By the way, I grew up in the Jim Crow South. I can spot racism a mile away. So, if you haven't already, you owe Blanda an apology.
H
Jmac made some good points today about McNabb... he could be damaged goods, and more importantly (IMO) he has ran a WCO his entire career.
Too risky, and not a good fit.
And I hope teams don't bother doubling DHB his whole career... he's bound to be wide open every once in awhile. Maybe he can manage one of excruciating "cradle catches" in the endzone three or four times a year on 2nd down?
I certainly don't want him anywhere near the ball on third downs or at the end of the game though. One KC-game-like game give-away a career is enough for me.
Calico,
Careful, following my kinkless colon philosophy can get you disliked with some.
For you and Raider00,
I would love to see Rolando McClain taken with the #8 pick. And, believe it or not, it fits an Al pick. Why, might you ask? Conventional wisdom is linebackers are not top ten picks.
McClain, though, is a very rare combination of size, speed, strength, work ethic and intelligence that comes along once a decade.
There are two concerns. He is a junior (sometimes it takes another year for them) and his Crohn's disease. The latter may shorten his career and require surgery at some point. But, he could also blow an ACL and be out for a year also.
H
H, yeah right, I don't owe him anything, he owes me. Good thing that other guy lives in Taiwan, he would be in jail if he lived here, strung up by his short and curlies. Imagine, marrying someone at that age, if it were my daughter, he wouldn't be alive.
JONES
You're a real piece of work Jones. An ugly one.
H
H, are you bored? You got your reaction, aren't you happy? What side of the fence are you on today? The intellectual side, or the cage rattling side?
You guys love a guy who would be a felon in most countries, you guys look up to him, like he is something that should be emulated. Not only do you have the Raiders backwards, you also have the world backwards. How ugly is that?
JONES
H -
The more I dig in to research the draft, the more pleased I would be to have McClain at #8. The value of an on-field leader/MLB and run stuffer is a tremendous value to the Raiders.
Perhaps there is a 2nd tier free agent or 2nd round pick that would be a good fit for the ZBS.
Then again, if 1 of the top 3 OTs falls into our lap like Oher would have last year, then all bets are off.
IMO, Trent Williams or McClain would be picks to get excited about. We shall see ...
Coach...
If you actually had the gonads I would dearly lov to put an eye on your shit....But why waist my breath when your just a phony punk hiding as a "Key-Jerk" in anonymity...Childish doesn't even begin to describe your low level of mentality...You know who I am...Bring it when you find some manhood instead of just punk-ass mouth...
Back To Football...
Gary...
"DHB" needs development as a "WR" and he will get open...For one thing with all that speed he should be able to get the defender to play him deep and cut back short to intermediate for the catch when he and the "QB"s get on the same page...When the "CB" starts to jump the pattern shot break it off in him by sprinting deep down the sidelines...If he can learn to keep the defender off balance and our coaches can get it working in their scheme/game plan he will have a chance to become more than just a one dimensional decoy...
"H"...
Howdy Howdy...
The rumor mill is just that...They will try to instigate something where there is nothing at all but if they can get a reaction than they write..."See Told You So"...
I think that's some of what happened with Lance..They were talkin crap and "MrD" was unsure if it was true or not and perhaps imagined that Lance was talking to the "Mediot"s...Eventually things broke down and neither was able to come to the point of understanding so ultimatums took over...It became a war of 2 strong dominate personalities both looking for it's own advantage and something had to give...Lance was just too dumb and stubborn to let it be him....
The same thing worked the yr before with Shell II who was already engulfed in paranoia...Puppets on a string...
PantyRaider...Let The Jaw-Bone Heal Please!!!/_
"CJ"...
I agree "BUT"...
It wont happen if it's the 2nd or 3rd "OT" taken...Not unless "AD" comes out prior to the draft saying that the one who is left standing is his highest rated "OT" and I don't see that happening because he never wants to tip his hand...
Somehow though it always seems to leak out that he wants a guy...Like last yr the rumor mill about "DHB" just days before the draft...The same thing was present about "JeFat" -n- "RunDMc"...So I expect to hear something developing this season too...Maybe it's that when he is really impressed and wanting a player he just can't help but speak very highly about him...
I would project one of 3 positions as being open for us to draft the top player...
"DE"-"LB"-"CB"....
I personally would lean towards the "CB" as "AD"s top desire because of his intense "M-to-M" coverage and toughness against the run -w- a desire to lay the wood and his elite speed..Also good hands -n- high production...Height is the only flaw on paper...
PantyRaider...But "LB" Would Be Kool Too!!!/_
Well Panty, who are you? Are you Rich, or Freaky, or who knows who?
Look you over egoed puke, you think you are a big man because you are in your 50's and you slung a 15 year old. If you want to play a "man's game" be prepared. You want this battle, so you are getting it, don't bitch like a school boy when it happens. Your first post, your first paragraph since coming back from your hibernation, was a direct attack at me. You have attacked me the day I came on here many moons ago.
So, if you going to play the game...don't be a little pussy when you get shit flung back at you. As far as your threats...who's the tough guy? You want me, come and get me. If you are going to throw around threats, you better be able to back it up....your insults have tripled mine, so don't make out like you are the saint. Any time, felon.
JONES
"he will have a chance to become more than just a one dimensional decoy..."
Yeah sure, you can't be a decoy if you only had 9 catches all year. To be a decoy, you need to be a threat FIRST, DHB was neither. Still slinging the same ole BS, is it September yet?
JONES
F***!
Let it rest, people. You are killing this site with these highly personalized attacks.
I'm not a nanny, I'm a virtual bartender. I'll serve the drinks but if the patrons can't control themselves, then the place will eventually empty out, at which point there will be no reason to keep it open.
Have some respect for this place, and for each other.
Thank you.
Coach...
Worthless punk...I did a drive by to see "BR" -n- "H" -n- Gary and others and saw this crap you posted on this thread...
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Anonymous JONES said...
Well, I will never know for sure if you wife is black. Post a picture of her, so we know you aren't lying... Pantyraider used to write that he had a 15 yr old asian as his wife, was I supposed to believe that too?
If you do post a pic it better not be a picture off an Aunt Jemima box either...cause I have eaten plenty of those pancakes and I know what she looks like.
Does your wife know you talk about poor southern boys like that Balanda? She would be offended, I'm sure.
JONES
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Now...Morro bay Ca. in September when I get back...Last time you were a complete no-show...Remember...
Good god I was gone for what...6 months or more and that total idiot was still publishing his sick assed crap...Go figure...And it speaks about the "Truth" and some sort of "Holiness"...Talk about a freakin hypocrite...
"RT"...
As you can recall I left because of this type of total crap and many others have continued to complain about it when they do a drive-by...And yet it remains...Now what is your point...That I and others should bow-out to this type of crap...That's why I post elsewhere without "AnnoAsses" allowed....Not to say Anno's are bad but just the few who continue to plague this space with their childishness...And as I and others have speculated before they may all be one in the same...
PantyRaider...No Further Comments To A PunkAss!!!!/_
The problem with this site is that it is rare that we talk about ... drum roll please ...
Raider football!
When there is a steady stream of speculation, facts, analysis, opinions, x's and o's, debates about performance, etc. it is a very interesting place to get a virtual cocktail, chime in, and learn something new.
It seems like the ratio of football related discourse (players, draft, coaches, GMs, projections) to non-football related garbage has reached a point where this is no longer a point of destination for Raider Football enthusiasts.
In my humble opinion, all of us need to re-examine our priorities and start acting like more gracious guests to Raider Take.
"Coach...
Worthless punk...I did a drive by to see "BR" -n- "H" -n- Gary and others and saw this crap you posted on this thread..."
You did a drive by...reaallyy....it was the ONLY thing I ever wrote about PANTYBOY since your (the panty alias) much needed hibernation. And what a coincidence... you see that I included you in a post to Balanda. What are the odds of panty just checking in after a few months just in time to see it?
Panty, you are the biggest fraud trolling the internet, will you ever stop with your lies? Your whole Panty persona is a LIE, just give it up.
The crew is a joke, no one could ever have a serious discussion with them about football, they don't know a damn thing about it. They don't know a damn thing about what is wrong with the Raiders and they don't know a damn thing about being straight up. The site becomes a rolling stream of nonsense because the crew is nonsense.
RT says the same thing about his takes on the Raiders, if it is negative, then the takes will be negative. If the crew is going to continue to be insane, then the replies will be insane. H, jerking the chain, Balanda being provocative, Gary being a complete dumbass, freaky morphing into who knows how many posters. And now comes panty, rides in on his donkey and wants to start up....it is what it is.
RT, if you want to clean it up, then you have to be consistent. Having a warm spot for crew members and disregard for others isn't going to get it done. Panty comes in with guns a blazin and you don't say a thing except " welcome panty, great to have you back". That basically is condoning what he says. If his goes, mine goes. It's your choice.
JONES
As far as killing the site, go back just a couple years ago, you were hitting 43 , 36...posts a take, now look.
People don't mind seeing strong arguments, but at least be in the park. It's hard to have a good argument when one side is in the parking lot, oblivious to what the TRUTH is.
It could be good, you are just comfortable with the ole crew. You have a base, they were here from the start, but damn, they could NEVER get it right. Their comments and ideas were always out-there. It's why no one would stick around. The insanity of the crew was unbearable, most people would "drive by" and just keep on going, nothing but kool aid and Al Davis worship.
But, more and more are seeing the TRUTH and their old schtick of the usual propaganda doesn't work any more. If you steered the site away from that horse shit, you might get many more posters on this site. If you continue with the old school circle of stupidity...it's your choice.
JONES
"CJ"...
I have to agree totally with your comments and add...
ๅ(ะๆะ)/{~}รีเใแเแแแแแแแป=?
PantyRaider...Let da MeltDown Continue!!!/_
Talks about McNabb are heating up and this vid was posted on another thread and it's very interesting to watch but I don't know how long ago this play took place but if he still has those legs and that arm I have to be excited if we add him to the mix...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wk0FTF0-eo
PantyRaider..."QB" Watch
More Folowed...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1FuF85O4Q8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vggIaEdbXnc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-sEIASJNRE
&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=
W3a4naxKSPM&feature=related
"RT, if you want to clean it up, then you have to be consistent."
No, everyone needs to clean it up.
Also, notice that I didn't say Jones needs to clean it up. Everyone needs to clean it up.
I can't clean it up unless I police the comments every waking hour, and start deleting egregious comments. Does that sound like fun to you?
I'd rather delete the site before I resort to being a nanny.
Why are we talking about people's spouses? Why are we setting up appointments for fisticuffs?
Those are just a few of many indicators of a conversation gone wrong.
If you think I'm here counting comments as some measure of success, then you misunderstand me.
I'd rather have a small community of spirited yet respectful dialogue instead of a crowd of belligerence.
Think about it. Am I really asking that much here? No, I'm not. So help me out.
What's not being discussed is the fact that the murderer of Biletnikoff's daughter may get a retrial thanks to a technicality and the 9th Circus Kangaroo Court.
Based on an argument that 2 black men were excused from the jury may land this guy a retrial, in which he confessed to the murder of Biletnikoff's daughter.
If he gets the retrial, I hope the conviction is the same, but he faces the death penalty.
My thoughts and prayers to Fred and his family as their worst nightmare is revisited.
-Raided Nate 75
As far as landing McNabb; I don't think we acquire him by trading Nnamdi. I think we acquire him by trading Kirk Morrison, or Darren McFadden; and a 2nd Round.
Then we better get back into the 2nd Round!
So here is a scenario to chew on as well. If we do get McNabb; and cut JaMarcus; and nobody trades a pick for Brandon Marshall, and the Doncos cut him; do we sign Marshall?
Nate, first off, don't blame the court, blame the DA. While much is made of a "confession," confessions aren't worth jack unless they are made under oath or a signed statement. An experienced police infestigator can pressure just about anyone to make a confession, so the only one the court will accept is an admission in open court on record.
The constitution requires a jury of one's peers. So the careful elimination of all potential black members of a jury with a black defendant will not go well in any court.
And get rid of the notion that the 9th Circuit is some haven for liberals. That district has received NOTHING but Republican administration appointments for over 20 years. It is now considered to be one of the most conservative in the country.
And forget McNabb because he ain't coming here. And neither is Vick. He doen't have the skill set we need.
I have been carefully weighing the pros and cons of acquiring McNabb and IMO, the positives outweigh the negatives as long as the trade itself is equitable. If we give away the house, then the scale would tip for me considerably.
One of the factors in my outlook is that I sincerely believe that the Raiders have put themselves in such a precarious position as an organization. With 7 consecutive seasons of 11 losses or more, the team needs to turn the corner at 2010.
The way I would view the acquisition of McNabb is that he could be a "bridge" to learning how to win again. The short term gain would be credibility, more wins, and a chance for the younger players to continue to develop while winning their fair share of games.
If McNabb acts as a bridge to winning over the next 2-3 years, it is a way to buy some time to truly putting together a more competitive team.
I feel strongly that your QB needs to be the leader who shows the other 10 men on offense (and the team in general) true professionalism, competency, and what it takes to win.
Having said all the above, I would still be surprised if we get McNabb.
"BR"...
I'm still pimping the "Dawg" but understand your take that it just ain't happening...
RaiderNate75...
I would not give up the player unless we have a replacement at "LB"...The "RunDMc" crap is totally out the window...He's a very high #1 and still full of potential so we should never even consider such a deal for a "QB" on his last leg...
The only thing he would merit is our 2nd rd pick if he even merits that but not until after the draft when he has already collected his bonus $$$$$5mil....
I saw a post that expressed the trade value for the "Dawg" would be a 3-or-4 rd pick and that would be well worth the investment in my feeble imagination...
PantyRaider....Pull da Trigger BigDaddy!!!/_
PS..."RT" I already expressed my solution so no further comment is warranted...
"CJ"...
Agreed..."McLame" brings more to the table than the "Dawg" or any other "QB" available as far as the leadership this team/franchise desperately needs...But he has not finished an entire season in the past 5 so the risk is very high in my personnel evaluation...And there would even be a higher risk playing behind our pours "OL"...
PantyRaider...Wacky Scales!!!/_
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I feel strongly that your QB needs to be the leader who shows the other 10 men on offense (and the team in general) true professionalism, competency, and what it takes to win.
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Good point. The players would be really excited if he was brought in, no doubt... not to mention the fans.
Al has to be desperate to get asses back in the seats (cough McNabb to TO, cough).
And is it possible the WCO has actually been holding McNabb back all these years?
I'd give them our 2nd pick... I no longer think the Asum for Samuel trade would work out. Samuel might be another Hall in a M2M defensive scheme... which would send Al in another "draft track-star CB's with every pick" scramble. Yikes.
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Then again, if 1 of the top 3 OTs falls into our lap like Oher would have last year, then all bets are off.
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JMac mentioned that Al might be regretting big time passing on Oher last year, which makes it much more likely he picks one this year. (YAY!)
Also, if we do indeed bring in McNabb, isn't the number one priority become keeping him vertical for all 16 games?
BTW... the best thing about bringing in McNabb is Al would almost certainly dump JaMoney... no way can he afford 21 million dollars wrapped up into one position.
Lastly...I am with RT... lets try to keep this Raider football related ONLY.
The rumors about McNabb aside, it appears to me that the Raiders are looking at an array of QBs. They are looking at potential draft picks and even venturing north to to check out Minnesota back ups.
I currently am beginning to believe the "Russell is still fat" stories. This recent picture, while blurry, looks like he's pretty fat to me. Certainly not in playing shape.
http://alturl.com/5sqo
I believe that because of this, the Raiders are NOT looking for a mentor for JaMarcus, they are looking to expand their options beyond Gradkowski and Frye.
In fact, I'm beginning to believe that they are looking for a way to cut JRuss loose.
BR,
I do blame the courts, and the system. "Peers" is an American citizen. I understand concerns of bigotry, etc; don't get me wrong; and I feel those issues need to be more addressed. But, if you get a confession, it is protocol that the next step is a signed/sworn statement! I think it is silly to throw evidence, and a legitimate confession aside based on the fact that 2 men were dismissed from the jury; especially since it is not being reported as to why they were dismissed in the first place; and how come it wasn't dealt with when it happened?
Also, there are currently 16 judges in the 9th Circus appointed by liberals (one very recently by Obama), and 11 judges appointed by conservatives; with 2 seats remaining vacant. How is that a conservative swing/majority? Now, 16-11 is not a vast majority, but in the court system, it is!
Now on to football. I think looking at other "backups" are not a viable option at the QB position. We have plenty of "backups". I think it is more far fetched that we get another "backup" to compete for a starting position.
McNabb brings solid (and very under rated) veteran leadership. His experience and leadership is what is needed to help develop the young WRs get open and find the gaps; as well as to get our offensive game back on track.
Gary, I don't think TO would play with McNabb again. He didn't have a lot of kind things to say about him when they cut him from Philly.
Nate, sorry but under the law (with good reason) a confession made to a police officer during questioning carries absolutely no legal weight other than the word of the police officer who witnessed it (an exception to hearsay as a statement made against personal interests). If the confession is truly valid, the defendant will be willing make the statement again to the court.
Often, and depending on how the "confession" was solicited, evidence of the "confession" won't even be allowed in court.
Sorry, but that's just the way the law works. But if you'd read the cases that lead to this development, you'd likely agree with it. Especially if you had a case where it looked like a pretty good possibility that an innocent person was being railroaded.
Nate, if you believe that our criminal justice system favors the criminal, take a look at this website. This organization has freed 250 people from death row (proven wrongful convictions) over just the last several years.
http://alturl.com/cci9
Nate, I'd also point out that we currently have the most conservative supreme court we've had since the Civil War. They refused to even hear arguments advocating overturning the 9th Circuits' decision.
I agree this is a tragedy for the Biletnicoff family, but place the blame where it is due. On an iladvised district attorney seeking an upper hand in the court room. But a dead possum could have won that case. Because this DA wanted to pad his conviction record instead of serving the public, the taxpayers get to pay for all of this again.
BTW, sorry for the non-football stuff.
I don't think the McNabb rumors are anything more than rumors. They are certainly NOT true in regard to Nnamdi going in exchange.
And I still think bringing in someone with only about three good years left is a mistake in the long term. I think it's also a very big risk. McNabb is comfortable as a team leader in Philly, but he's lead no other team. What's the guarantee that when he leaves his comfort zone, he'll be even more productive here.
McNabb for the most part has been a highly durable QB in his career.
Over the past 12 seasons, McNabb has missed a TOTAL of 24 games out of a possible 24 games out of 188 regular season games or on average 2 games per season.
In his last 3 years, he has missed 4 games out of 48.
You also factor in that he ran more early on in his career which creates a greater risk for injury and the fact that the Eagles have the highest pass to run ratio in the league.
Let's assume that McNabb does miss a game or 2 ... big deal. I have no problem with Ski coming in to relieve McNabb.
The argument that it is short sighted would normally jive with my thinking BUT the Raiders are in a unique situation where the TEAM desperately needs to start winning it's fair share of games sooner or later.
Of course McNabb is NOT the proverbial "missing piece" to a championship caliber team. However, it the Raiders continued to build the team shrewdly over the next 3 season WHILE learning how to win with McNabb at the helm, it would buy time to truly turn the corner.
Another 4-12 or 5-11 season is no longer digestible. Our new rookies and 2-5 year players need to understand and experience what it takes to win. The QB position by nature is the solution and guide to this process IF the QB is above average in skill level, understanding of the game, a proven winner, and bone-fide leader.
Clearly McNabb meets the above criteria. If it is a sensible trade in conjunction with Russell either being cut or taking a MAJOR pay cut, it would be interesting, exciting, and raise the expectations.
My feeling is that the Raiders should NOT be looking for short term solutions. That's how they got into the mess they are in in the first place. I think they've taken the proper course in building with youth.
If the Raiders bring in additional QBs, it should be those who have the majority of their careers in front of them. I think the McNabb rumors are simply stories floated to increase McNabb's market value for Philly. They know that Davis will not officially deny the rumor.
That said, I really believe that Gradkowski may be our answer. My concerns about Gradkowski are his size and whether he may be injury prone. I wouldn't feel entirely comfortable until I saw Gradkowski perform at the same level he did in 2009, uninjured for a full season.
But it is definitely time for the Raiders to lose their appreciation for players at the tail end of their careers. They've done a good job of that over the last three years, and I'd like to see it continue.
If we focus on OL, stopping the run, and pressuring QBs I think we'll be a tweak or two away from being competitive.
I DO NOT believe that we are a full three years away from the goal of playing competitive football.
Have the Raiders made a huge offer for McNabb. No.
It usually happens like this. Philly is ready to move McNabb for the right offer, and they pretty much let it be known they will look at offers. In order to increase the size of the offers coming in, they float a rumor that some logical team proposed or is discussing a blockbuster trade. In this case using the Raiders is a logical choice because of their known issues at QB and because Davis is known for bringing in star players at the end of their career. They also know that the Raiders will make no public statement in denial.
The Raiders will not issue an official denial because what they've been presented with is a rumor with no known source attached. If you set yourself up to answer for every rumor that comes over the wires, you'll be spending every waking moment answering stupid questions.
It's also not a rumor that hurts the Raiders. It makes them look like they are out pursuing deals to improve the team, and it may encourage JRuss to work all that much harder.
Also, the Raiders certainly are not avoiding a deal for McNabb. They well could bring him here, but only for the right price. They will also only trade for McNabb if he will agree to a multi-year contract before joining the team. Otherwise he only plays for the Raiders a year (with no tagging in 2011), and they are right back where they started. And if McNabb knows from the moment he arrives that he'll only be here a year, I doubt we'll see his best effort. If he plays poorly, he'll just blame the quality of the team.
But all the same, the Raiders will continue to wait in the wings until the price of McNabb can be fully realized. If we could get him for cheap (a third round pick, and perhaps a lesser player thrown in) he might be worth it. And that's another reason they won't jump to dispel the rumor. If they do wind up signing him, it makes them look bad.
If we find that he truly has the skills, Gradkowski is the most motivated QB on the Raiders' roster. Gradkowski had already been left for dead when JRuss only had a tummy ache. JRuss has not yet been left for dead, and won't be until he fails in this coming training camp. It appears nobody, and I mean nobody, has more of a desire to have a notable NFL career than Grad. I could be exciting to watch him get there, and I think he can.
I would be excited to see Gradkowski or McNabb as our starter in the 2010 season. I would be surprised of McNabb joins the Raiders. If the "lock out" wasn't hangin' over the league with no tags available in 2010, there would be a better chance to acquire McNabb. As it stands now, I don' see McNabb committing to a long term deal to consummate the trade. I know McNabb desperately wants to win a SB ring before he hangs up his spurs in 3-4 years.
I think we are missing a point here. Short-term use of a veteran QB can do wonders for this young offense!
A veteran like McNabb can help polish the skills of a QB who is willing to do so (like Frye and Grad). A veteran like McNabb will be on the sidelines with photos of the last drive, communicating with WRs, RBs, and lineman about how to better handle the difficulties of the last drive (instead of sitting by himself on the bench pouting). A veteran like McNabb (short-term or long-term) will help point this offense in the right direction, and get it rolling.
There are HUGE benefits to having a guy like McNabb and his leadership here; even if its short-term.
There are also downsides to it. He would have to be willing to maintain his leadership quality without the attitude of a "Randy Moss" (I quit because I don't want to be here). IMO, I think he wouldn't do that because if he would be in a contract year as well, and you want to perform adequately for a better deal.
Then if he leaves, he could share with his new team what he taught, learned, etc, about the Raiders.
In the end, I would still take McNabb short-term over Jamarcus any day! I like McNabb, I think Philly throws him under the bus too much, and he's got a target on his back for some reason. But from the day he was drafted (and booed by Philly fan) through today, he is the most underrated QB in the League. I think Philly is in the same boat though, as Green Bay was a few years ago with Favre (except McNabb hasn't contemplated retirement). You have a strong veteran QB, and a young QB who's going to be the Franchise at some point, and is more than ready to play. Damned if you do, and damned if you don't.
We all know he is getting an earful from the media of how terrible things are in Oakland; but I think if he came here, and we did well; he'd stick around. He improves this offense tremendously by his leadership qualities.
Don't get me wrong, I like Grad, and I think he's a smart QB; but I think he and Frye need to sit under a QB with quality veteran leadership (like McNabb) to polish their skill and become better; IMHO.
And don't get me wrong, I like McNabb. I just don't think the situation is right.
A positive note on JaMarcus. According to Murphy he's been at the facility working with the trainers and the receivers. Murphy also reports that JRuss had been vocal and commanding while working.
The first true picture will not emerge until camp and pre-season games. But here's hoping for the best.
Regarding trade rumors and 2nd round picks....
Who would you rather we spend our second round pick on in a potential trade? McNabb or Jared Gaither?
My pick would be Gaither because that directly answers one of our primary needs.
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Who would you rather we spend our second round pick on in a potential trade? McNabb or Jared Gaither?
My pick would be Gaither because that directly answers one of our primary needs.
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If he was good enough to beat out Oher... he is a damn good PROVEN LT.
Giving up our 2nd for a LT lets us draft McClain and we solve two of our biggest needs... done deal.
BAM!
Use our third rounder for the best available DT for depth.
I'm unconvinced the Raiders ever had any interest in McNabb from the get-go, or they wouldn't have kept Frye... what are they going to do with four QBs?
I'd do cartwheels over a trade for Gaither.
Everyone is excited about Flozell Adams being cut; but he has been injury prone the last few years, and is not as reliable as he once was. The report on him is that he quit on the Cowboys because he was disgruntled with management.
I think he'd do the same here in Oakland. We are better off trying to find help in the draft at the Tackle and Guard positions with:
Vlad Ducasse in the 2nd round, and Cirion Black in the 4th.
I would be VERY pleased with adding Gaither for a 2nd round pick. It would give us a solid, young OT and provide flexibility with how we use our #8 pick.
So much for McNabb, he's off to the Redskins.
you beat me to it rt. disappointed we didn't get him
I think the Redskins just punked the Eagles. Unbelievable, they didn't give that much up for him.
Philly has some stones, though, I'll give them that. Trading him within the division?
let's go Ski!
The interesting part to me is the Eagles trading in-conference... tells me they aren't worried much about getting hurt by McNabb.
Or they were VERY desperate to get rid of him.
It would be kinda like Denver trading Elway to the Chiefs. It makes no sense.
Look at what Philly got for McNabb and look at the reported deal with the Raiders. If talks had gotten to the point where Nnamdi was part of the deal, an announcement would have been imminent. And if you believed ESPN and PFT, the Raiders were already setting up the press conference.
It is plainly obvious that any deal with the Raiders was invented out of whole cloth by the Eagles in order to pump up Washington's offer. And even though the Skins and the Eagles are in the same division, Washington wouldn't bite. That tells me that McNabb wouldn't be worth a big deal in the first place.
When no deal was announced within 48 hours of the first announcement of negotiations with the Raiders, I knew this information was bogus.
And it was.
Oh, and the reports that McNabb would only be willing to go to a Super Bowl contender...
Well...
Raiders fanned the deal and so did the Eagles. It would benefit both. Eagles were trying to get more for Mcnabb and the Raiders were trying to send JaDavis a message. JaDavis will be the starter, Al was using this rumor to try and motivate him. It becomes very obvious now.
JONES
This report is crap:
http://alturl.com/r7cv
And so is the assertion made by Jones.
Philly reports that McNabb was okay with a trade to any team. And if McNabb didn't want to go to the Raiders because of their losing ways, why then would he choose Washington? The stark reality is that the Raiders never were a part of any proposed trade. The most the Raiders did was inquire as to the cost of such a trade.
As for Jones, if he can twist any piece of information to be anti-Raiders (or more specifically anti-Al) he'll do it. One trick pony.
I'm saying Al wasn't serious about the trade. The Raiders were leaked to be interested and sending Aso. We ALL know Al wants his big boy to be the man. It's why Jackson was hired, Al wants JaDavis to think he will move him out of the picture...anyone who knows the Raiders, knows that JaDavis will be the starter. I think JaDavis knows this all to well and he feels very comfortable that he will be the starter.
JONES
Hey RT, Balanda is starting it up again, you better nip it in the bud, bud.
JONES
"why then would he choose Washington?"
Hmmm, gee, that's a tough one. Why would Mcnabb want to go to Washington.....? Maybe cause they are in the same DIVISION? They will play TWICE A YEAR? Mcnabb will be able to push back in Philly's faces? Gee, that's a tough one....
JONES
Yes, it should be very interesting to watch Washington kick the crap out of Philly in 2010. Like that's gonna happen.
JONES, if you could figure out a way to tie Davis to causing Katrina you'd do it.
Where is there a bad comment on Al Davis? I said he leaked the rumor to motivate JaDavis...same thing you wrote....so where is the "tying him into Katrina"?
Try and stay on topic, Balanda. I know you are itching for some more banter and name calling. You thrive on it, you live for it....get a life.
Ask Mcnabb who is going to win those games, it means something to HIM, not me.....stay on topic Balanda.
JONES
The more I think about it, the more I think we need help at QB.
Gradkowski is still an unknown quantity to me, and I'm not sure how durable he is.
I think that Russell is a known quantity, in the worst way.
It's kinda scary when you really think about our QB depth chart.
Not just QB, look down the roster...it ALL needs work. Throw in the coaching and an upcoming draft that Al blows year after year....it ain't rocket science.
These guys who are starting to " get excited" are completely absurd. Anyone who thinks Grad is the answer over a full season...give your head a shake. Anyone who thinks the O-line has talent....the only thing set on this team are the kickers. BLOW IT UP. Just keep the kickers and the TE, all the rest can go.
JONES
ok guys, i have a question...
thank GOD mcnabb didn't come here! seems he did NOT want to be here anyway and we DON'T need that attitude.
anyway, saw this article today:
http://raiderbeat.com/?p=7061
clausen @ #8? sounds very intriguing. another high pick QB? this would mean the end of the jabustus experiment. what do you guys think?
what the heck happened to the comment i just posted????
oops, sorry guys. having a lil troubs with this tiny netbook i recently bought....
Scorpio,
I'm not falling into the Jimmy Clausen trap.
Reminds me more of Rick Mier, or Brady Quinn, then Joe Montana.
Let's think defense, and pass on Clausen.
Who knows who Al will pick....best to let the chips fall and then comment, the mental masturbation of "what will Al do" is just a waste of energy.
JaDavis will start, good chance that DHB will also. It will be chaos and Cable will get fired and Huey will take over....same ole same ole.
JONES
Take, I'd agree with you that we do need some insurance. But by that same token, I think we have sufficient possibilities here that we don't want that insurance to completely obscure what we have for a short term fix. So the question becomes, where do we find insurance that fits the circumstance.
And Gradkowski intrigues me for several reasons. I can't figure out why he's been give such a dead end ride in the NFL. He came out of the same great Penn high school that several of the great NFL QBs attended, and apparently out performed them all. He had great stats in college.
Then for some reason he was drafted at the bottom of the pack, and placed on the bottom of the Bucs depth chart. In his rookie season he earned the starter role. Then Gruden, typically, grew impatient with the rookie and cut him loose to bounce around the NFL, only getting one start in Cleveland before coming here.
Playing for us in 2009 he looked great. He looked about where a good QB should be in his development at this point in his career. He made Cable's offense work when many here were calling it worse than the B&B offense from 2006.
My primary concern with Gradkowski at this point is whether or not he might be delicate.
blanda, delicate? oh i'm sure he'll be pissed once the qb competition starts and jabustus is declared the starter once again by davis. hopefully he'll be on a short leash. grad just needs to hang in there and be patient and keep working hard 'cause he'll get his chance once jabustus does an el-foldo.
Just say "no" to the Raiders drafting any QB high in the draft. Makes no sense since we do a very poor job in developing young QBs.
I like what I saw from Ski last year in terms of managing the game, avoiding sacks, and moving the offense.
If he can stay healthy (big "if"), I look at Ski as a more than capable caretaker who has some upside and will hopefully buy us a couple years to put more pieces in place.
If and when we become a more competitive, playoff caliber type team then we should add a veteran QB.
My worst case scenario for 2010 ...
Russell and DHB are handed starting jobs without earning it, the Raiders get off to a horrendous start and another season is flushed down the toilet prematurely without fielding the best players from day 1.
huh?
huh?
huh?
Here is a question nobody has proposed. Now that McNabb is with the 'Skins; what happens to Campbell?
If he's released, do we make a run for him?
Nate, I'm calling Al's bluff, I think he wants Russell, I don't think he really wants to bring in someone who will cause a controversy. He has his mind set on the money he paid out. His mind hasn't been convinced that Russell is a bust and he will need this year to prove it to himself. He hired Jackson to give him one more chance.
To win consistently in the NFL, you need a GOOD to very good QB at least. Unless the team has a lights-out defense, an Avg QB won't work. Campbell is an Avg QB, do the Raiders need more Avg players?
JONES
If you look at the division winners in 2009, and ask yourself who was the best quarterback in that division, you see a ton of correlation.
That's how important the QB position is.
Brady, Manning, Brees, Rivers, Romo-Mcnabb, Favre, Warner...The only exception to that rule was the AFC North, where you could say that Big Ben is better than Palmer or Flacco.
There is no doubt in my mind how important the QB is for a team's chance for being a playoff caliber team.
There are very few "game managers" who take their team deep in the playoffs. The only exceptions seem to be the teams that have elite defenses. We are so far away from having an elite D it isn't funny.
Having said that, I still feel like we are the equivalent of an expansion franchise in terms of our overall talent level and depth.
I know this seems odd with the backdrop of 7 consecutive seasons of double digit losses but I want to see our team methodically build the team through the draft, piece by piece.
My hope is that by the end of 2010, we have a team where an above average veteran QB could put us in the playoffs in 2011 and then we continue to add to our talent level and move forward in 2012 and 2013.
How will this be achieved? In my mind it would be by adding a personnel director/GM, building up the lines, and then adding a savvy, proven QB.
bspn at their best-
Eagles wanted to do right by McNabb enough so that they agreed to trade him in the division rather than to the Oakland Raiders.
At various points, the Raiders expected a deal would get done. It never did. And now the Raiders are back to JaMarcus and Gradkowski.
Raiders were in, Redskins sweetend their offer big time, and made it as palatable as possible to trade McNabb in NFC East.
Bottom line: Donovan McNabb preferred not to go Raiders and handpicked Redskins, Andy Reid said Eagles wanted to make McNabb happy.
I am glad mcnabb never came to Oaktown but this sound like complete bs.
Funny. Almost everything Cable has said this off season says that his intent is for all players on the offensive side of the ball to compete for their positions. He pointed out QB, RB and WR specifically.
According to some, that means JRuss is in and everyone else is out barring injury.
Okay. We'll see. It's been said so many times, it seems the assertion is intended to be remembered. Okay. I'll remember.
Gee, I wonder why some folks might not be entirely convinced (DHB starting over and over despite subpar performance in camp and in games) that we are suddenly (Russell starting over and over again despite subpar performance in camp and in games) switching to a 100% merit-based depth chart.
Marc Bulger realeased by the Rams.
Might be worth bringing in this vet for a long look.
Marc Bulger realeased by the Rams.
Might be worth bringing in this vet for a long look.
I said before, IMO trading for McNabb would have been premature for a grossly underachieving, untalented Raiders team, and cost us a valuable draft pick.
Barring Russell be given entitlement to start again, I believe Gradkowski is a serviceable QB and deserves a chance. He is a leader on and off the field. He mostly needs a supporting cast.
Our top priorities have to be OT and DT, with a splash of MLB. I also prefer to draft a RB in the middle to later rounds, as opposed to signing a limping FA vet.
If we pick up an OT (like Adams), then we could focus on our other pressing needs. Adams was a pro bowl player in 2008, and started 178 of 182 games for the Cowboys. He would immediately become our best O-lineman.
I would still look to add depth to the position in the draft, even if that means drafting high for a top OT talent. I would dump Barnes in a NY minute.
I like DT Brian Price as a second round pick, and think he may be a sleeper against the top two DTs.
My dream sheet with an emphasis on the word "dream" ....
Trade down with our #8 pick to say anywhere from 9-14 to pick up an additional 3rd round pick in 2010.
Draft MLB Mclain with 1st round pick.
Trade our 2nd round pick for a proven Left OT, Gaither.
Starting OLine:
LT Gaither
LG Gallery
C Satelle
RG Carlisle
RT Henderson
anyone seen this?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5061620
here's a guy we could use. and most of his guaranteed salary is already paid...
http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/21245/albert-haynesworth-a-goner-with-redskins
scorpio, haynesworth is a 4-3 guy too. imagine him and seymour on the same line? i'm drooling a tiny bit. i bet the redskins ask for a 2nd rounder too.
i've changed on the draft picks too. i'm not as sold that we will get bryant, i never was; but i'm not sold on anyone in the first round; he just has an attitude that fits with the raiders. i like eric berry, but i think he goes to kc. i like mclain, and would be happy with that pick (though i like sergio kindle better; he's an outside guy, and would plug the weakside nicely), as well as joe haden. so i think our first pick will be either mclain or haden (the 2 of the better athletes). my problem with mclain is similar to what we have at his position; he overshoots his gaps a lot (don't believe me, go watch the national championship game again). i think we get haden, and immediately have the best cb tandem in the league (but why do i keep thinking "fabian washington"?).
i still think our best 2nd pick is vlad ducasse (OG, UMass). i think jordan shipley is the real deal with our 3rd pick. he's overlooked by a lot of guys who mock draft; but this guy has so much quality. i'd hate to see him go to tennessee. he'd be a great special teams guy, as well as a great #3 wr (behind chaz and louis murphy, with dhb at #4).
overall, i think the draft picks are pretty anemic this year. nobody really stands out to me; especially in the first round.
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