News You Can't Use
Well, it's been a long time since the last News You Can't Use, but the following headline on the San Francisco Chronicle web site inspired me to get back on the proverbial horse:
49ers FILL NEEDS, RAIDERS DON'T.
Say what? The NFL team with the worst run defense known to mankind selects the top middle linebacker in the draft and...it doesn't fill a need?
(Here's a link to the article, the headline is a bit different than the one on the home page, replacing "need" with "hole," which is the same thing)
While even the national sports media are begrudgingly acknowledging that the Raiders made a smart choice by selecting Rolando McClain, our friend at the Chronicle stomps his feet, covers his eyes and tries to play Jedi mind tricks.
Quick, call 911...or at least an editor. Someone is having a mental breakdown on Mission Street.
To prop up his position, the author invokes the Great God of the NFL Draft, Mel Kiper (the same Mel Kiper who compared JaMarcus Russell to John Elway a few years ago): "Kiper doesn't like the pick of McClain, noting that the Raiders' biggest needs are at offensive line and quarterback."
Stopping the run isn't one of the Raiders' biggest needs? You say that with a straight face? Really?
The Raider Haters have won the Hater Lottery over the past several years, as the team has bent over backwards to give them legitimate material for bashing and criticizing.
And yet, they just can't help themselves. They still have to make stuff up and play Twister with the facts. Ah, true colors are just so hard to hide.
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49ers FILL NEEDS, RAIDERS DON'T.
Say what? The NFL team with the worst run defense known to mankind selects the top middle linebacker in the draft and...it doesn't fill a need?
(Here's a link to the article, the headline is a bit different than the one on the home page, replacing "need" with "hole," which is the same thing)
While even the national sports media are begrudgingly acknowledging that the Raiders made a smart choice by selecting Rolando McClain, our friend at the Chronicle stomps his feet, covers his eyes and tries to play Jedi mind tricks.
Quick, call 911...or at least an editor. Someone is having a mental breakdown on Mission Street.
To prop up his position, the author invokes the Great God of the NFL Draft, Mel Kiper (the same Mel Kiper who compared JaMarcus Russell to John Elway a few years ago): "Kiper doesn't like the pick of McClain, noting that the Raiders' biggest needs are at offensive line and quarterback."
Stopping the run isn't one of the Raiders' biggest needs? You say that with a straight face? Really?
The Raider Haters have won the Hater Lottery over the past several years, as the team has bent over backwards to give them legitimate material for bashing and criticizing.
And yet, they just can't help themselves. They still have to make stuff up and play Twister with the facts. Ah, true colors are just so hard to hide.
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posted by Raider Take at 8:41 AM
1075 Comments:
RT - Good to see you back in form. Raiders picking McClain is more than defensible, it's smart and quite possibly a well-calculated move by the Raiders, i.e., if they can now focus on their other needs in Rounds 2-7.
I guess the Broncos should be labeled genius for trading up to find Tim Tebow in the middle of the 1st Round.
I saw that article, Take, and thought the same thing. Anyone who has actually watched the games over the last few years would know that we were weak against the run. Scott Ostler is clearly talking out of his a@#.
Yeah, I saw an article this morning praising the Tebow pick. Good luck with that, Denver.
Great minds think alike, RaiderRealist. "Weak against the run" is understating it. Averaging out the past three years, we are flat-out the worst run defense in the league, but hopefully that's about to change.
I'm thinking that since the elite OTs are gone and they run the ZBS, the Raiders will take Cody and go for the dominant defense. With that and an offense that could score about 24 pts/game we should win a lot more of those close games.
Wow, congratulations RT! A return to what I originally came here for!
As for McClain, I made that pick about a week before the draft, based on the fact that I believed the 1st year starters on the o-line would already be off the board, and the Raiders were obviously re-working their LB corps to a bigger and stronger run stopping unit. McClain, if still on the board (and I figured he would be) was the only possible choice.
He finally replaces Greg Biekert in leadership, but brings far greater physical talent to the table. This was a great pick-up by the Raider organization.
In the second round, expect either a DB or an O-lineman. Why a DB? Because we need one for added depth. Either way, it will be determined that the pick will go to the best available of the two.
Just who is Scott Ostler anyway and why is he allowed near a keyboard.
My favorite line is "Instead he goes with a linebacker". A linebacker??????
How about the linebacker that kicked Tebow in the but and made him cry.
Look, this is a guy who ask the coaches to put game film on DVD's so he can review it on his laptop at home.
Kipher and others say McClain will be an All-Pro out of one side of their mouth then the Raiders shouldn't have drafted him out of the other side.
RaiderRealist,
I say go for Cody also. But there are six teams ahead of us who could use the help also.
Have two players from the same team been taken consecutively by one team before?
Both McClain and Cody are good lockerroom guys. Something Cable wants. Anthony Davis did have some personal baggage that I think Cable didn't want to deal with.
H
H
Cable made it very plain that one of his top priorities are guys with character. Something that Davis is supposed to care nothing about. As much as this should explain that the Raiders' coaching staffs have influence on draft day, I know that we'll be sticking with the same tired meme.
DHB was chosen by Cable for the same reason as McClain. His character and his work ethic. I expect that DHB's sophomore season will be far superior to his rookie season.
While JMac predicts that Morrison and Howard will now go elsewhere, I don't think that's set in stone. Cable knows that his offense has to improve in order for his defense to improve, because with continuous 3 and outs the defense will continue to get gassed in the 4th quarter. It may be that Morrison and Howard will be kept for the purpose of inserting them on obvious passing downs, spelling the core personnel to keep them fresh.
H, I used to follow Ostler occasionally when I lived in LA. Ostler's problem is that he reports on all sports without focusing too diligently on any ONE of them, or any one team. His problem has always been that he doesn't keep up with teams he comments on, and merely pulls opinions out of his a$$. He can occasionally be insightful, but pretty much just focuses on collecting a pay check, often sticking with whatever he thinks conventional wisdom happens to be.
For round two... I haven't got a clue. I'm thinking the Raiders go with either DT Linval Joseph or OT Bruce Campbell.
H - "I say go for Cody also. But there are six teams ahead of us who could use the help also."
Yeah, but two of those teams already selected their DT.
Cody would be a smart choice. If he's not available, Price might be the next Rod Coleman... a little undersized, but adds a force to the pass rush.
If the Raiders want Campbell, I believe they should try and get him in Rd 3.
I think the Raiders are looking for size at DT. They will want an immovable object for occasions when they slip into a 3-4, which they are obviously planning to do at least some of the time. A Rod Coleman type would not fit in the projected scheme they want him to play. But there should be no question that the Raiders number one priority (other than strengthening the o-line) will be to finally stop the run. The LBs they are planning to field now are all the size of defensive linemen.
If so, Nnamdi is going to have to work for his money this year. Teams will attempt to take advantage of the Raiders' drop off of effective pass coverage with slower LBs. However, with more pressure to bring to bear in the box, along with our better run defense might come more pressure on the QB - helping Nnamdi in the long run.
But we'll know after tonight.
Blanda - the Raiders should have improved play at safety this year, and Cable says McClain would be called upon to cover backs and TEs, which he said he is adept.
As I said before, it looks like the end of a short era with the law team of Morrison & Howard... two talented guys that were probably expected to do too much, but just didn't get the job done.
Okay, someone explain this to me. The Donkeys traded away three draft picks in order to move up to draft Tebow in the 1st round.
Ask youself, honestly, what the media reaction would have been if the Raiders had done that.
It would have at least a week of Davis bashing, talking about how the old man had truly lost it.
Ostler attempted to do it anyway, even with the pick of McClain. But Ostler is know for his lack of attention.
nyraider, I agree.
I was hoping for either Mclain, or Pouncey, so I am very happy with the pick.
Also happy to see Raiders focus on defense for a change(other then DB's).
I like Cody, but you have to be concerned with his weight for such a young guy. If we do draft him, must keep him away from Jfatstuff.
For rest of draft, let's keep focused on the D, and 0-line.
Cable said or hinted they would continue to address needs, such as DT and OL, but also said a CB was likely.
That means the Al Davis requisite speedy DB... which some will misinterpret as a ST guy. Sorry, but this seems to repeat itself too often.
Definitely keep Cody and Russell separated at all times.
PFT rumor:
"...La Canfora says the Raiders are high on Indiana's Rodger Saffold. Saffold, a four-year starter for the football-challenged Hoosiers, appears to be higher on Davis' draft board than popular first-round Raiders mock pick Bruce Campbell and Charles Brown, an athletic two-year starter from USC."
I think Campbell is looking better and better. Much more value at 39 than at 8.
Roy
We just traded down to 42.
I love it...pick up an extra pick and still probably get the player we like...
Roy
Another trade...move back two more picks and still get the player we want. Nice move.
Roy
A DT, didn't see that coming, he seems like a good value but we desperately need O-Line help.
Roy
Okay, let's examine the Al Davis rules.
1. Al Davis never drafts a LB in the first round. But, but....
2. Al Davis never trades back from a draft position. But, but....
Houston is a smallish DT, who probably doesn't lend well to the Raiders going to a 3-4 defense.
Gruden called this guy a sleeper. For you Combine nuts, I found this posted in comparison with McCoy.
Houston: wt: 305 40: 4.85
225 reps: 30 vert: 33.5
McCoy: wt: 295 40: 4.96
225 reps: 23 vert: 30.5
Looks good, but should mean next to nothing on the field.
Kudos to the Raiders for sticking with the plan, and staying away from major reaches.
Houston is undersized. Not quite sure of that choice or why, but they must have seen something in his character that they liked. Character seems to have replaced speed. Character is good, but "loaded with talent" works better for me sometimes.
One of the ways that I thought Gruden was very smart is that he sought out players who were from the Bay Area. He felt that if they were "home," they'd work harder to stay here. One of Houston's positives is that he was born in San Francisco, right across the bay.
Something just occured to me. While Houston is undersized for a DT, he is not undersized for a DE in the 3-4. In fact, he's just about perfect for it. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him fill that duty.
The guys on NFL Network actually said some positives about this pick.
This has all the earmarks of a plan. We've been talking about LB's and DT's for several seasons.
The next pick is at 69. If Campbell falls to there, he's worth the shot.
With all the 3-4 defenses in the league it is curious how Cody has fallen this far.
Blanda,
The problem with Houston at DE is we tried that with Sapp. Didn't work out to well. Not discounting it since Houston may have a better attitude about it and is young enough to make the transistion.
The NFL Network has talked about several "reaches" in the first and second round, but none of them are the Raiders.
Interesting.
H
How 'bout Tampa taking both McCoy and Price, two top DTs? I was kind of hoping Cody would drop for the Raiders to look at him in Rd 3. Not sure if that's a realistic move, but having that option would have been interesting. Cody is a brick wall... if for only his size.
I was just checking the roster, and there just isn't a DT on the roster that qualifies as a NT for a 3-4. Kelly is 6-6 but is only listed at 300 even. Seymour is listed at 310.
Unless there is another trade in the works for an NT we are staying at 4-3.
Though I like what we've done I we just don't have that anchor yet.
NYRaider,
Al would like Cody. He was a power forward in high school and claims he can still dunk a basketball.
I still have the BCS National Championship game recorded. I think I'll take a look at Houston over the weekend.
H
H
I'm reading that Houston started out in college as a DE and was moved inside. He played RB in HS, with 3,300 yards. Yikes! Let him play the run on D and run the ball on O. Can he return kicks?
Well "Told ya So"...
Wrong position (CB) because it was off the board at #7 as was the "S" but we took the 1st player off the board at another position (LB) of need/desire and NOT the 2nd - 4th best "DT"/"OT" as expected/desired by some...And NO...We did NOT go after some combine freak because Al loves speed -n- stats...
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Wonderful, another one that thinks drafting sensibly once supersedes all historical draft mistakes.
Fact is, if the Raiders drafted this way the last seven years, we probably wouldn't be in this mess.
Remember, Lemarr Houston is young, and will probably fill out and put on some weight in the next year or two.
Houston kind of reminds me of a Leroi Glover type. I like this pick as well. 2 for 2.
If Campbell is there in 3rd round, should get him and try him as a RT.
Jared Veldeer! No Bruce Campbell?
Edwin Veldheer OT
6' 8" 312lbs.
I like our picks so far. Addressing our most pressing needs has to be top priority if we want to be competitive once again in this division and in this league.
Can anyone answer me this...why is it that the Raiders have always made a priority db's and safeties and they were always critized for it, now all I hear in the draft is how important corners and safeties are, almost as important as the qb's, what gives man, a couple of years ago we were picking dumb now is a must in the league to succed.
Will Campbell be available in Round 4? At some point, he becomes a good risk for any team.
Anon - other teams don't serially neglect drafting for their lines, like the Raiders do. Therefore, their needs are different. Look at the top of the draft and observe the picks... DT, OT.
NYRaider...
Get over it and think about the here -n- now while optimism is still in the air...Unless you really relish dwelling in da Dungeon that is...Shake it loose...All that negativity just hurts your heart and robs your joy...
Pantyraider...Positive I Like's It!!!/_
Could it be that because of his combine performance the "experts" assumed the Raiders would covet Bruce Campbell in the draft? The Veldheer pick would seem to say otherwise.
PR - I'm actually very positive about this draft, but I'm not going to pretend history didn't happen. That's how mistakes are made.
I'm not the one on this board saying I told you so. I can do that the other 364 days.
The Raiders either know something about Campbell they didn't like, or they are avoiding him just to stump the media.
Veldeer was Division II, and critics say he has short arms. I really know very little about it, but Kiper had Veldeer as the then-best available OT... for what that's worth (nothing!).
Hope this kid at least gives Barnes a run for his money.
Is this an Al Davis draft? Sure doesn't look that way, maybe the billboard idea is working? Maybe Al decided he will sit this one out?
I like the picks, still going to take more than a draft to convince me that this Org is headed down the right path.
I like the gloaters ( told ya so's) they have been thumped for years for their illogical conclusions, BUT, when a draft goes well, they say "told ya so". It is going to take more than the draft for you to gloat. So put it back in your pocket until REAL change occurs.
JONES
This just handed to me........
Scouts give Hillsdale College’s Jared Veldheer high marks ahead of NFL draft
In a nine-day stretch this month, Jared Veldheer spent more hours than he could remember in the air or just waiting around for flights in airports while making personal trips to six NFL franchises.
Such is the life of a fast-rising draft prospect.
Veldheer, a 6-foot-8, 312-pound offensive tackle from Hillsdale College, is targeted as a third-round pick in the 2010 NFL draft, although he could go higher based on all of the pre-draft interest that surrounds him.
The former Forest Hills Northern standout participated in the Texas vs. the Nation all-star game, attended the NFL scouting combine in Indianapolis, had eight teams put him through individual workouts on his college campus and been summoned to Arizona, Denver, New York, Oakland, Philadelphia and San Francisco for in-depth discussions about his future
He had a private moment with Oakland owner and general manager Al Davis.
“He told me he wants to get another Super Bowl ring. He said he hopes it works out that the Raiders get me in the draft because he likes my tape and he likes the way I run,” Veldheer said.
NYRaider...
I made my prediction over a month prior to the draft when I 1st posted again here and made the same prediction everywhere I posted...So yes...I followed it up with "Told Ya So"...Does that hurt your feelings...It shouldn't...It's only a game right!!!
The fact is we were NOT going to take the 2nd or lower ranked player at any position regardless of needs...We were going to take the best player available/1st off the board at some other position of need/desire and I posted as such...I said my money was on the "CB" but he was already gone but I also posted the other most likely positions would be "DE" or "LB"...I think it's good we went for the "LB" because the "DE"s were not impressive...
PantyRaider...Al Is predictable!!!/_
I wonder what makes Veldeer less of a risk (or a better prospect) than Campbell.
"The fact is we were NOT going to take the 2nd or lower ranked player at any position regardless of needs..."
You mean like DHB last year?
NYRaider...
He was the 1st "WR" off the board so that makes him the #1 in the draft regardless of what pre-draft speculations said...The other guy was a long hold-out remember...Would you have been happy with another "JeFat" contract dispute...
PantyRaider...Go Back -n- Check History It's Consistent!!!/_
"He was the 1st "WR" off the board so that makes him the #1 in the draft regardless of what pre-draft speculations said...."
Circular reasoning won't make it right. And there's no need to compare him to Crabtree. Your #1 WR was outplayed as a rookie by his entire draft class.
"NYRaider...
Are you off the point for a reason...You want me to argue why he should have been the 1st rd selection...I can't do that and wont...There are other players I would rather have had with that pick but it is what it is and that's the point...
If your going to try to predict what we will do in the "11" draft (If we have 1st rd selection) than you need to understand what Al does...He always takes the best player available which means he will take the 1st player off the board at a position rather than take a position of need which has already been depleted of the top talent...Go back to when we selected "Jano" and see he was the 1st "K" taken...Last time was took the "LB" he was the 1st off the board...
Pantyraider...Predictions Based On Reality NOT Personal Desires!!!/_
Nothing was broken, but I'll gloat when it's fixed. Classic.
NYRaider,
"other teams don't serially neglect drafting for their lines, like the Raiders do."
Seems I remember som guy named Gallery who was a consensus, can't miss pick by all the "experts" including Mr. Kipher. Sometimes even the experts get it wrong.
So, the term "serial" doesn't quite fit.
I find it amusing, that we are having what appears to be a pretty good draft. Mel Kipher even got voted down by a coach, a HOF QB and player and noted Raider Hater Tom Jackson on Rolando McClain.
But some folks just can't let things go and enjoy the moment.
H
Calico,
Did you colon unkink when it was McClain and not Campbell?
H
"H" hits it on the nail...
"RT" -n- NYRaider...
Remember the 3rd rd "OT" that was taken from Oregon and eventually Flamed-Out while many of you here were posting him as the 2nd coming of the "Wiz" before a single snap of the ball...So now how many of you will take responsibility for that BAD -n- Wasted 3rd rd selection...
Just as I thought...Ignore it all together...
Not to mention a # of other selections who I remember this board being behind while you were bashin the 1st rd selection of Nnamdi...Like Brayton...Hell...Routt was tooted and tooted...So obviously the "Turkey Shoot" is not an exact science now is it and most here have gotten it just as bad as the pros who have to make those decisions for real...
PantyRaider...But Continue As You Do To Ponder That "Negative" Because In The End It's All You Got's Left!!!/_
Now How Damn pathetic Is All of That!!!/_
5th Rd selection...4-21...
Quentin Groves "DE" Jacksonville
PR -
"...you need to understand what Al does...He always takes the best player available...."
Huh? That statement is grossly uninformed. McClain arguably wasn't the "best player" on the board this year, and DHB wasn't in the top 50 players on the board last year.
H -
Are you suggesting because we failed with consensus LT pick Robert Gallery six years ago, we shouldn't draft OL?
Look, you guys are pushing me into this discussion. I'm not trying to take away from what looks like a sensible 2010 draft for the Raiders. I'm actually quite pleased so far. But I'm not going to pretend that previous draft breakdowns never happened, because that’s largely why the Raiders can’t win more than five games a season.
There are plenty of teams that regularly master the draft. It’s a critically important fundamental aspect of running a successful franchise.
Patriots are a team already loaded for bear, yet they had 11 picks this year, and I think four picks in the first two rounds next year - including our #1 pick. They continue to hold the gas pedal to the floor while we’ve had four flat tires for almost a decade. That’s not a coincidence.
We picked another run stopper in Round 2 with Lamar Houston. A great player, and another great pick. Seeing Houston play the last few years here in Austin, he is explosive! He will compliment Kelly pretty well in the 4-3, and put pressure on the QB, and block the lane on the run. He is just as good a pick as McCoy, and I'm surprised he didn't go in the first round. He's a hard worker, and a film junky.
Al Davis is making sensible picks this year. Veldheer was even a good pick in the 3rd.
Now we need to get a guy who will be great as a return specialist. I was disappointed that the Bengals picked up Shipley, and that the Chiefs picked up McLuster so early.
Joe McKnight is still available, Trindon Holliday is still available (I'd take him with the 6th or 7th). Marcus Easley would also be a good pick.
Others I'd like to see: Cam Thomas, Eric Olsen, Ciron Black, Marshall Newhouse, Roddrick Muckleroy, Perrish Cox, and Brandon Carter are still available.
And I will say congrats to Al Davis for a good draft. I will give credit due when it is due; as well as criticism when it is due. Congrats Al on a great draft so far; keep up the good work.
NYRaider...
You seem to speak frequently about the "Cheatsters"...Your not sliding over are you????...
Highest rated "LB" in the 2010 NFL Draft...My god you can dance around a subject...I specifically posted best player on the board in a position not already chosen by another team...Now in my book that's most likely about the best player left on the board...Unless you wanted the top "DE" or top "RB" or top "TE" or maybe you wanted the top "WR"..."C"/"G"..."K"/"P"..."RS"...
The top "CB"/"S"/"DT"/"OT"/"QB" were already taken....Remember...And by the way...None of those players are proven in the slightest...They have never taken a single snap in the NFL so now how can you possibly refer to this as a good draft...Or poor when you have absolutely zero evidence to support it either way...Last yrs picks are still being evaluated for crying out loud...We wait to see how they developed after their rookie seasons are past...At least that's what is suppose to be done...
Nnamdi was a rookie bust as I recall...
So now here is what's left to chose from with our 4th rd pick...
Best Available
Name-Pos-Height-Weight-School-Rank
Griffen, Everson DE 6’3" 273 Southern Cal 8.0
Wootton, Corey DE 6’6" 270 Northwestern 7.9
Campbell, Bruce OT 6’6" 314 Maryland 7.8
Briscoe, Dezmon WR 6’2" 207 Kansas 7.8
Dickerson, Dorin TE 6’4" 226 Pittsburgh 7.7
McCoy, Anthony TE 6’4" 259 Southern Cal 7.7
Sapp, Ricky DE 6’4" 252 Clemson 7.5
Pitta, Dennis TE 6’4" 245 BYU 7.4
Franks, Dominique CB 5’11" 194 Oklahoma 7.4
Hernandez, Aaron TE 6’2" 245 Florida 7.4
Woods, Al DT 6’4" 309 LSU 7.3
Norwood, Eric LB 6’1" 245 South Carolina 7.3
Thomas, Cam DT 6’4" 330 North Carolina 7.2
McKnight, Joe RB 5’11" 198 Southern Cal 7.2
Owusu-Ansah, Akwasi CB 6’0" 207 Indiana (PA) 7.2
Williams, Mike WR 6’1" 221 Syracuse 7.2
Mitchell, Carlton WR 6’3" 215 South Florida 7.1
Dwyer, Jonathan RB 5’11" 229 Georgia Tech 7.1
Gilyard, Mardy WR 6’0" 187 Cincinnati 7.0
Warren, Donovan CB 5’11" 193 Michigan 7.0
Gibson, Thaddeus DE 6’2" 243 Ohio State 7.0
Harbor, Clay TE 6’3" 252 Missouri State 7.0
Cox, Perrish CB 5’11" 195 Oklahoma State 6.9
PantyRaider...Let The "CrapShoot" Continue!!!/_
PR -
"NYRaider... You seem to speak frequently about the "Cheatsters"...Your not sliding over are you????..."
No, simply pointing out that other teams know how it works. The Raiders need to stop living in a vacuum and start looking at successful models.
Here's a positive for you: Bruce Campbell is an outstanding pick for the 4th round!
Raiders are staying the course, and I'm very impressed with the 2010 draft!
Campbell...this is shaping up quite nicely. I am very impressed.
Roy
Well we got the fastest player, at least we waited until the 4th.
Roy
Well, I hate to see Morrison go, I thought we could have moved him to the outside. It is especially tough to watch him go so cheap.
Roy
NYRaider...
Life just ain't that simple...Besides making the corect decission in the draft there also has to be a coaching staf who can develop the talent that was gifted to them and design a creative way of employing them in a workable scheme...Not to mention a GamePlan -w- Adjustments...
Now I raise a question for you to ponder...
Was it "NE"s front office that was so damn good at picking talent or their coaching staff's ability to develop and use those picks that made that team successful...Or perhaps a combination there of...
Now that McDan is in the "Mule Valley" and "Scotti" is in the "Squaw Valley" without "Cheatster" I don't see very damn much progress in either team...Do you...Although I like the "Squaws" draft...
The "Jets" are in you neighborhood...What did they do with their talents before that "SOB" da Coach arrived...Same personnel for the most part...NO...
PantyRaider...The Real Story Behind The Story!!!/_
Kirk + 5th rd pick is too damn high a price to pay...But we get rid of his $$$$ and add the fastest man...
PantyRaider...Oh! Well!...Campbell Is Here!!!!/_
Pick #153 was lost with Kirk...
awesome draft so far - and smart. campbell is a project and didn't deserve to be picked in the 1st. hate to see morrison go but THANKS kirk for all your hard work. deep in his heart i'm sure he'll always be a raider fan.
jason campbell says
that the deal is done
We have a new "QB"...
4th rd 2012...That's what we gave up for cable as "QB"...
QB Jason Campbell acquired, per PantyRaider.
Will he start?
Campbell has been signed through 2011 for $4.5 million
Take-
Could it be that we are finally emerging from our seven year trek through the NFL wilderness?
raiders official twitter
RAIDERS
NFL Network is reporting that the Raiders have acquired QB Jason Cambell from Washington. We’ll confirm as soon as possible.
1 minute ago via web
Slowly painstakingly building a franchise from the ground up...Not normally the Raider way now is it...
PantyRaider...Things Really Are Changing!!!/_
NYRaider,
No not at all. But you used the words "serially neglected" which to me indicates you believe they never go after the top rated linemen.
There was also that Russell guy who made the Pro-Bowl his first two seasons before he decided black market pharmaceuticals meant more than making millions playing a game.
Steve Young hit it on the head last night. He said this team is not that far away. But, when you earn the first pick in the draft (Jamarcus Russell) and get nothing, it’s a huge hole to dig out of. I’m paraphrasing but, that’s the gist of what he said. Hell, Kipher compared Russell to Elway for crying out loud.
Remember how up everyone was on McQuistan? Also, we drafted a very highly rated guy named Leon Bender. He died from a heart condition before camp.
Historically, for whatever reason, the Raiders have had better success with their later round picks when it comes to linemen. Hell, they were roundly criticized for taking a guy from Villanova in the second round.
Yes, we’ve had a bad run of it and I wanted them to go OL/DL the past two drafts, but “serially neglected” doesn’t fit.
I wish we could have gotten a little more value for Morrison, but even if he had stayed, he would have been demoted. Probably best that he get a shot somewhere else. He busted his butt, but I think he lacked some of the leadership qualities the defense needed. It's one of those "intangibles" they talk about.
One of the things that gets me is Kipher rags Al about using the combine numbers so much, then when he shows highlights of his top guys half his damn film is from the combine.
H
Jerry Mac-
If the Raiders have had a better draft weekend since they returned to Oakland in 1995, I can’t remember it.
Here is one for ya to ponder...
An 82 yr old for the 1st time in his old age gets to spread the draft over a 3 day period with 1 rd than 2 rds than the remaining 4 rds which aids him in staying sharp....
Thanks NFL for the new schedule...
PantyRaider...Al Is back!!!/_
Supposedly a fourth in 2012 for Jason Campbell.
That's all it took?
The Raiders got hosed on the Morrison pick, but make it back with J. Campbell.
I wonder what they'll get for JaMarcus.
H.O.D.
If the Campbell trade is true. This could be the final nail for Russell. Campbell is young, mobile and has a good accurate arm.
Turly they don't make this trade unless the QB job is a wide open competition.
H
The Jason Campbell watch has begun.
Wonder how JaBuster is feeling at this moment. Russell's comments last season, “I’m the guy" tone didn't sit well with all of us. So Russell, how much of a vote of confidence do you get when the owner pulls the trigger on you and bring's in another QB? Then to boot your HC makes comments like this below from Jerry MaC.
"Certainly with Rolando one of the things he and I talked about is I asked him to be honorable. ‘You come with wear the Silver and Black, there’s a reason and purpose behind it. Come out here the right way; don’t let money and all the other stuff go to your head. Just be who you are. Take it all in stride. Most importantly honor the game and what’s happened to you today.’ I think he’ll do that."
Now either Cable just sings the company line well, or it’s the truth. Al did set our team back 5 years with his pick of Russell. We as " Raider Nation" will never.....and I mean never forget that and some may never forgive. Now I am wondering when will the day arrive when Al says, "I picked the wrong guy."
2010.......Go....Raiders.....
Raiders trade Kirk Morrison to the Jags; and now have traded for and signed Campbell!
Movin' and shakin', welcome to the Nation Campbell.
H -
How many O-linemen have the Raiders selected since Gallery? One?
Are they just now identifying that need again? To suggest they have neglected the O-line in the draft is an understatement.
So I guess I'm missing your point. And I hope you're not confusing the two OTs selected by the Raiders as top picks.
Both guys are very inexperienced and will likely take years to develop, if they do at all.
A top pick would have been to take Anthony Davis at #8. But I more than understand them taking McClain instead, then Houston in the 2nd Round... simply too many holes to fill them all.
If I'm keeping score, this was the Raiders best draft in recent memory.
Realist, it sure looks like we're peeking out of the wildnerness...
What I'm seeing is, finally, the abandonment of the "one player away" mentality that has plagued our franchise for so many years, the maniacal pursuit of the quick fix when we were well beyond quick fixing.
I see building, not flailing. Bravo.
But "RT"...
If you look around it has been coming for a few seasons....Not all just this one yr...We have been going after the dependable character instead of the bad attitudes and many don't like the "DHB" pick but he most certainly is a much better character guy then that "CrabBitch" that we passed up...Not to say it was the best pick we ever made but it does fit the pattern...
PantyRaider...Not Always Clearly Seen But Perceived!!!/_
Goethel, Travis ILB 6'2" 240 Arizona State 2.0
Jason Campbell tell Rich Eisen on NFL Network that "Al said I am the starter."
NYRaider,
How many teams have selected linemen in the first and second rounds year after year after year.
It takes a couple of years to see if your picks work out. In the meantime, the fans are wondering, "What about safety, receiver, linebacker."
What do you want them to do, draft the same position over and over till it works?
This is probably our best draft day in ten years, maybe more. A definite move in the right direction. I've been accused if living in the past. Guilty, love our history. But, all I'm hearing is "Wha, wha, why didn't we do this five years ago."
We didn't, move on, be happy we seem to finally be coming out of the doldrums.
Personally at 8 I would prefer the number 1 MLB, Butkas Award winner, consensus All American Middle Linebacker than the number 3 or 4 rated tackle carrying some excess personal baggage with him. I've had enough of the attitude problems.
I'm listening to a conversation on Jamarcus Russell. The majority opinion is Russell is gone unless he takes a huge pay cut. If he makes the opening day roster he is owed 9 million.
Jason Campbell is another of those character, locker room guys Cable wants.
Whether people and pundits believe it or not, this draft, team, and coaching staff has Cable's finger prints all over the place.
He may have been overruled a few times, but the guy is winning his share of discussions.
H
Tom Waddle of the NFL Network just said he feels the Raiders have had the best draft so far this year than any other team. Slammed on the point that we've been 29th and 30th the last 2 season against the run, and solidified the run defense with McLain and Houston.
Then he went on to talk about Veldheer (a good pick who will impact this year), and the project Campbell on the O-line. Waddle admitted that it was hard for him to admit it, but the Raiders were getting the job done this draft.
So much for having the worst War Room....
Nate,
I heard that also. Based on experience, production and age, it makes sense.
He should be first on the depth chart. But, Cable will probably continue to say the competition is still wide open.
Tom Waddle of NFL Network just said he really likes what the Raiders have done this year. They addressed the run defense, got a couple of OL with big upside, and brought in a leader for the offense.
I'm pumped even more that usual. The glass just jumped about 20 points to 79.4 percent full.
H
One other quick comment.
Is it just me? But I don't remember a draft where the top quarterbacks were shown so little love. Bradford number 1, but Tebow a huge reach, Clausen third round, McCoy fourth.
In fact, I only recall five being drafted. Bradford, Tebow, Clausen, McCoy, LeFevor.
Wait, Carolina just took Tony Pike. That's two they drafted. Total of six. Let me know if I missed someone, just concentrating on the Raiders.
H
Last 2 picks, I like (in no order):
Brandon Carter, OG, Texas Tech
Mike Tepper, OT, Cal
Danario Alexander, WR, Mizzou
Joe Pawelek, LB, Baylor
Rashawn Jackson, RB, Virginia
Javariss James, RB, Miami
Brandon Lang, DE, Troy
Kevin Basped, DE, Nevada and
Michah Johnson, LB, Kentucky
We accomplished a lot in the past 2 days.
The 3 areas that we needed to improve going into 2010 were
(1) Improve our play at QB
(2) Improve our Run D
(3) Improve our OLine
(1) and (2) have check marks next to them and (3) is a work in progress.
Acquiring Campbell was wonderful. Not only is he a high character guy but he is mechanically sound, has good mobility, and is very accurate. It certaintly doesn't hurt that Campbell has a BIG chip on his shoulder to prove the Skins wrong. Now we have a real QB depth chart; Campbell, Ski, Boller/Frye.
McClain, Houston, Wimbley, Groves adds some depth and competition. It will be interesting to see how we use such players as Wimbley, Groves, and T. Scott.
Don't look now but DHB is no longer the fastest player on the team. It makes sense to take a burner like Ford in the 4th round. He is a track star who happens to be a football player. 111 receptions in the past 2 seasons.
On a scale of 100, I give the Raiders draft a 90 and if you toss in the Campbell acquisition, a 95. If either Veldheer or B. Campbell pans in by year 2 or 3, we completely knocked it out of the park.
This draft has totally revitalized my hopes, expectations, and Raider juice for 2010. I'm pumped!
What are Skins fans going to do when they can't protect McNabb, and he is lost to an injury?
I think we go O-line on our last pick.
JMAC:
If the Raiders have had a better draft weekend since they returned to Oakland in 1995, I can’t remember it.
...end quote...
With Campell in, JaMoney is history!
Hopefully this place will no longer be a gloom-and-doom read for awhile now...
jason campbell says "Last year, their defense started to become one of the premier defenses in the league."
had to laugh at this one....
goodbye jabustus, don't let the door hit your fat ass on the way out!
wait a minute here....
shanarat made a deal w/ davis?
ShanaRat made a deal with Davis with an assist from Bruce Allen!
One more note that I forgot to mention ...
Jacoby Ford should also be a HUGE plus in our KR/PR productivity.
They may hate each other, but I guarantee they respect each other. No way he deals within the division, but a pick is a pick, better than what they would have got if they cut him.
I notice Brandon Carter is still on the board. if nobody grabs him before we pick at 250, I sure hope we snatch him up (or if he goes undrafted, maybe we could get him as a FA. Either way, it would add some serious MASS to the right side. Satelee would look like a freakin' midget lined up between GAllery and Carter.
Mike Lombardi thinks JaFatass will be gone within a week if he doesn't restructure his contract (which he would be STUPID not to do, unless he just wants to retire, because nobody's going to pay him more than the vet min. at this point).
Best draft in a long time, hands down. Of course you can never grade a draft for a few years, but you guys know what I mean!
-moshbucket
In response to my comment that we are finally "building instead of flailing," PantyRaider said: "But "RT"...If you look around it has been coming for a few seasons....Not all just this one yr...We have been going after the dependable character instead of the bad attitudes and many don't like the "DHB" pick but he most certainly is a much better character guy then that "CrabBitch" that we passed up...Not to say it was the best pick we ever made but it does fit the pattern..."
(with apologies to H, who doesn't want me to talk about the past today, but hey, this one's on Panty Raider).
In 2008, it was obvious that Kiffin's relationship with Davis was irreparable, yet we threw away the season for the sake of a vendetta, and we threw undgodly amounts of cash at some of the worst free agent signings in history (Hall, Walker).
In 2009, we righted the free agent ship, yet ran around with scissors during the draft, presumably to find a track star that Russell could reach 60 yards downfield while throwing from his knees. That's the only explanation for it. Then, because of serial neglect of our D-line right through the draft, we made a panic trade for Seymour, one that has questionable value in the long term.
This type of behavior hardly suggests "building from a blueprint."
What we're seeing this weekend hasn't been going on for years.
On that note, character and football ability aren't mutually exclusive. Avoiding bad characters doesn't mean you have to comically over-reach on a guy like DHB.
All this said, and as I've said, things have been improving, in terms of avoiding bad characters and silly free agent signings.
But this draft is, for me, the first true instance of SUBSTANTIVE CHANGE, a clear paradigm shift in the behavior of the organization.
And I welcome it with open arms.
There will be no last-minute panic trades this year, I guarantee it.
Why is everyone (the so-called optimists, pessimists and everyone in between) here so giddy about our moves this weekend?
Because these moves signal tangible, substantive change. They represent an obvious operational paradigm shift.
Smart, frugal, patient, focused, composed, and plan-oriented.
Substantive change has arrived.
And what have I been asking for (or demanding, as I've been told) for years now? Substantive change.
I rest my case.
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And what have I been asking for (or demanding, as I've been told) for years now? Substantive change.
I rest my case.
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And all done without the addition of a GM.
How do you explain this RT???
H -
I am on board and acknowledge the Raiders had a tremendous draft. I’m pretty impressed from top to bottom, including the use of trades leading up to and during the draft. We should all be excited for this much-needed boost.
But please don't insult my intelligence by implying the Raiders have undergone a normal pattern of drafting OL in the recent past.
Since at least 2004 (six years), the Raiders have drafted fewer O-linemen than any team in the NFL... and neither of us need to look it up to know it’s a fact. If you want disparity, look at the draft ratio of DBs to OL in the last several years. Talk about a position they "keep drafting until they get it right."
Every draft is a gamble, but to whiff three years in a row with first round picks (1, 4 and 7) has practically brought this team to its knees.
I have high hopes for both McClain and Houston, and Cable is already saying B. Campbell will compete at RT and possibly move in immediately at guard. Sounds wishful, but Campbell has a rare physicality and Cable is a strong OL coach... which we know.
So, I’m not going to complain about this draft, even if in the future players don’t pan out. That’s the gamble part I understand and accept. It’s bad decisions and not learning from those bad decisions that I can’t get past... but it looks like the Raiders are truly attempting to turn that corner. Kudos!
If Davis hires a GM in the next couple weeks, or even months, I will join you in a 79.4% full beverage of your choice. Cheers!
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If Davis hires a GM in the next couple weeks, or even months, I will join you in a 79.4% full beverage of your choice. Cheers!
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So what if the new GM sucks and we stop drafting so well?
Do YOU have an explanation for this draft?
How about Raider00?
How about anyone predicting Al would draft Campbell in the first round?
Anyone here want to explain this to me?
Or are you all going to "rest your case" like RT???
How do I explain it? How did the Raiders actually behave like a competent football organization with a plan in the 2010 draft?
Great question. Maybe they finally subscribed to Raider Take?
Hopefully, the shift in organizational mindset that we saw this weekend will extend to the acquisition of GM-level executive help. Bring it on.
Gary, you were so worried about the Raiders drafting Campbell in the first round that you actually mounted a defense for such a decision.
Hah, hah.
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Gary, you were so worried about the Raiders drafting Campbell in the first round that you actually mounted a defense for such a decision.
Hah, hah.
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Hey... obviously there is someone smarter than me calling the shots right now.
I STILL think he is going to be a monster... I haven't looked back... I am sure all of you stepped up and gave Al credit for getting him in the 4th instead of the 1st, RIGHT????
Lol... as if.
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Great question. Maybe they finally subscribed to Raider Take?
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Credit for being clever!
Something else I just noticed, talk about competition on D.
We now have rookies from Alabama, Auburn, Michigan, and Michigan State.
Not that Ro will be competing with the DB's for jobs (although the michigan safeties maybe in direct competition). But these are pairings from two of the best college rivalries in the country.
-moshbucket
PS: Looks like the Saints already snatched up Brandon Carter. Here is an unofficial list of undrafted free-agent signings I found:
http://www.nepatriotsdraft.com/p/2010-nfl-undrafted-free-agents.html
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Hopefully, the shift in organizational mindset that we saw this weekend will extend to the acquisition of GM-level executive help. Bring it on.
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I'm thinking Al turned the keys over to Cable on this one... and Cable is now acting more as GM/HC than anything else.
Jackson now has the entire keys to the offense so Cable can concentrate more on GMing.
Strictly a guess of course.
"Anyone here want to explain this to me?"
Al Davis saw the billboard, heard the disgruntled nation, saw diminishing fans...maybe Al said to himself "if the are putting up billboards and not coming to the games, hmmmm, maybe they know something". Maybe all of us "whiners" made a difference and Al took notice?
You see what happens when you rise up and demand change? If we all would of sat on our hands and patted Al on the back and hung from his sack like the "crew" does, maybe this draft wouldn't have gone this way? See, all you " we need to be positive and kiss his ass" crowd would of had the same ole this draft.
The "crew" should get on their hands and knee's and thank those who cared enough to try and make change happen. LOFL.
JONES
"So what if the new GM sucks and we stop drafting so well?"
So we should just press forward with an 81-year-old owner in double-duty as GM and hope for the best? That's the wing-and-a-prayer stuff I'm hoping the Raiders steer away from. In hiring a GM, Davis will still be the owner and have the help he needs to operate a franchise that suddenly appears to be on the mend.
An explanation for this draft? I'm still in shock. I guess if you want me to put it into perspective, I would say picking the fastest player in the draft (because he's the fastest) with your second pick in the 4th Rd makes 100% more sense than picking him with the #7 overall pick.
Who, how, what, when or why that thought process changed? Well, I don't want to look a gift horse in the mouth.
BTW... my guess that Cable ran the show on this draft is the two trade-downs in a row in the second round.
That is not something Al would EVER do. Nope.. maybe once, but TWICE? no way... someone else was calling the shots.
Also, for all the people banging their fists on the ground about how the Raiders should have been trading down in all their top-ten picks... Gruden had a great quote about that.
Paraphrase: "Everyone kept asking me why I never traded down in the first round... I TRIED... but you kinda need to have someone willing to trade UP."
"I am sure all of you stepped up and gave Al credit for getting him in the 4th instead of the 1st, RIGHT????"
Gary, I'm giving the Raiders credit for the whole draft, including the Campbell pick. In that round? Brilliant. First round? Fail.
Like I've always said, give me positive information, and you'll get a positive take.
Give me bad information, and I won't bend a spoon to fabricate a positive take.
LOL!! Gary is worried we might stop drafting so well if we hire a GM. The ink isn't even dry on this draft.
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Who, how, what, when or why that thought process changed? Well, I don't want to look a gift horse in the mouth.
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Or more like "I don't want to admit I was wrong and that change has been slowly and incrementally been happening all along since Cable came aboard."
You can keep pretending the change is not real NYR.
Pretty soon though all of you have to admit that you were wrong though.
Well no.
That would take maturity.
Never mind.
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Like I've always said, give me positive information, and you'll get a positive take.
Give me bad information, and I won't bend a spoon to fabricate a positive take.
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Well considering you have been in complete denial that there has been ANYTHING positive for over two years now, pardon me if I think you are full of shit.
"RT"...
You will continue to spin it your own way so I guess that's what pleases you but I don't see your negative view-point at all...
We were picking low in the draft for the past few years and took advantage of that situation to acquire the specialty players that would eventually build a talented core which we could later build around while we added a few key positions threw "FA"s...It is now "Later"...
These have been high character Players with up-side and tremendous athletic ability...Some have already developed while others are sill on their way...
"JeBusto" has not yet paned out but he has also stayed out of trouble...Problem is he has also stayed out of class so his development is squandered...But just a note to remember here...The Raiders knew for the entire off season they had that 1st rd pick but never made any attempt to structure a contract prior to the draft so consequently the hold-out and the continued problems with that pick...What would have happened had we dropped our "Cone-o-Silence" and talked 1st...
As for "DHB" he is obviously of much higher character than that "CrabBitch" as I already pointed out...He is a committed student and said to be developing very well...Not every "PB" has had a good/productive rookie season..."Nnamdi"...Lets judge that development in his 2nd season and acknowledge he was in a system that was suspect at best...If there even was a system...But what ever it was didn't get him any opportunities to display any of his talent at all...
So take a look at that specialty core that we are now building around and please tell me what the hell we would now have had we not already acquired their skills...
"TE" X 2...
"RB" X 2...
"WR" X 4...
"FB" X 1...
"QB" X 3...?
"S" X 3...
"CB" X 1...
Other "FA"s -n- Picks...
"DE" X 3...
"LB" X 2...
"C" X 2...
"OT" X 2...
"G" X ?...
Draft -n- "FA"s 2010...
"LB" X 4...
"DL" X 3...
"OT" X 2...
"DB" X 3...
"WR" X 1...
"QB" X 1...
Now you should be able to see that this picture is only becoming complete now because that ground work was already laid in previous seasons...For the 1st time that I can remember our Raiders have been painstakingly rebuilt from the ground up but of course some don't like the order in which it was reconstructed...I do...Those specialty players are much more difficult to acquire than the rest...
In the end once again we will be able to plug a player in here and there and keep on going just like before so just maybe there was a plan if someone could open their eyes and look for it instead of just doing the easy thing and "Bashin" every move that has been attempted without a "GM" in place as noted by Gary...
da "MGP" did it...
PantyRaider...What Team Could You Build Around This Years Picks!!!!/_
My mistake, this draft doesn't represent a fundamental shift that signals substantive change, it's really just a continuation of the Wonder Years of 2008 and 2009.
If there was ever a weekend of Business As Usual in Raider Land, this was it.
I stand corrected.
Hah, hah!
Denial will not translate into believability...Just a way to dance around the obvious...
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nyraider said...
LOL!! Gary is worried we might stop drafting so well if we hire a GM. The ink isn't even dry on this draft.
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Yea, we just had the best draft weekend in 15 years and NYR sez "LETS CHANGE THE PEOPLE THAT DRAFTED!!!"
Please tell me you don't own any business, or have any managerial input to anything business related.
Take a freakin look at the roster...Add in 70% of the players we drafted and you see a young team that on paper should be able to win...Add to that the new coaches...You in your wildest imagination think that all happened this freakin year...
Get Real...Talk about Denial...
PantyRaider...Blinder Than Blind!!!/_
Here is a posted report on UDFA's signed so far by the team...
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/
BUT....there is still more to correct, there is still the defensive scheme that was outdated in the 80's...there is still off field issues that need to be fixed....still a long way to go, this is a positive but there is much more needed to get back to being a good franchise.
The "crew" beating their chest and saying Al is back....thought he never left? Never knew, from what the "crew" writes, that Al was even making mistakes. He was just rebuilding what Gruden had messed up? How was it his fault that previous drafts were horrible, it was just the roll of da dice? But now Al is back? Pretty hard to paint a picture when the walls keep moving....
JONES
"Yea, we just had the best draft weekend in 15 years and NYR sez "LETS CHANGE THE PEOPLE THAT DRAFTED!!!"
One draft out of 15? That is a very poor batting Avg. But, for some it is proof the Raiders are back in Super Bowl contention. Your poor girlfriend and or wife, you shoot your wad a way to easy. Think of baseball or something....
JONES
Al Davis, Cable, and the entire scouting dept. did a tremendous job this draft weekend. Well deserved kudos.
Does this mean that we shouldn't bolster our executive management staff? Absolutely not.
What I've been saying for quite a while now is that any qualified executive that can help shoulder Davis' load would be a positive for the organization.
Instead of Cable and Davis wearing too many hats, a newly hired exec. will be a point person for all personnel matters.
It is another set of qualified ears and eyes that can make Cable and Davis' jobs easier and more productive.
Do I want my Head Coach scouring the waiver wires, on the phone with other GMs, etc.? Think of a new GM/Exec/Personnel Director as a person who helps manage all personnel matters. This GM helps screen, research, and do the necessary legwork before a final decision is made. He naturally brings input, recommendations, data, etc. to Davis/Cable to consider.
I know it seems strange to Gary but many football fans, let alone Raider fans, want a Head Coach who concentrates on HC duties, an owner who is not the acting GM, and a full-fledged GM as a liaison between the HC and Owner on football operations.
To keep this positive train rolling and to reach for long term, sustainable success, the Raiders would be wise to get McCloughlan in pronto.
"CJ"...
Why?....Did he do such a bang-up job in SadFran that you feel we need him here...It appeared to me that they sucked as worst as us or worser...They haven't even made the "PO"s in this century...Has it even been in past last "15"...
Now as for the "MGP" who in terminology is the "GM" with superior strength...Just what is it about an owners responsibility that would restrict him from managing his own damn franchise...Is he tied up in court or something...Oh! Ya!...He's old and in your limited experience that's viewed as a disability...
So...Looking around the NFL who is the "GM" in "SadFran"....Did the "Dawgs" get one yet...How bout them thar "MuleHead"s...The "Rat" was their 2 headed JackAss before he was ran outta town on a rail...Now who's in "NE" as I haven't looked...
I would say the arguments are getting rather thin of evidence to support a Mutiny at this point...Why Hell...The whole damn country has given that old man total credit for a damn good job or haven't you noticed...
PantyRaider...Go "MrD" Go!!!/_
NYRaider,
“But please don't insult my intelligence by implying the Raiders have undergone a normal pattern of drafting OL in the recent past.”
I never said that. Go back and read. I said your post indicated to me that the Raiders “never” went after the top talent on the line. If that is incorrect please define your interpretation of “serially neglected”. They did, but after you do that do you go back the next four years in a row and do it again? That’s all I’m saying. They haven’t “neglected”, they have brought in FA’s, later draft picks, first and second round picks. Didn’t work. Galley and Grove were projected as anchors for ten years.
Tommy Kelly was supposed to be some “monster” Sapp created. Didn’t work. Last year they traded for Richard Seymour and brought in Ellis. It helped, but not the long term solution in Ellis’ case.
So, all I’m saying is “serially neglected” doesn’t fit. I’m showing examples of my argument, please supply yours.
I still say I’d rather have the top MLB in the draft than the number 3 or 4 LT with character issues.
“So, I’m not going to complain about this draft, even if in the future players don’t pan out.”
Is that a promise?
Calico,
“Al Davis, Cable, and the entire scouting dept. did a tremendous job this draft weekend. Well deserved kudos.”
Just before the McClain pick the ESPN crew was trying to get Gruden to spill the dirt on Al Davis and the War Room. He named names and said they had a great scouting organization. So, what has changed? Possibly a head coach with a full offseason and in season on the job, who isn’t afraid to tell the Owner/GM what he wants and what the team really needs.
My point is, this was a total "team" effort. Somebody got folks on the same page with a plan this year. I'm voting for Cable. Might be the wrong guy, but that's my conclusion. Who knows, maybe Madden is teleconferencing with them.
By the way Calico, how’s that colon?
H
Clearly, there's a contingent here that, based on this weekend's draft (and an unsubstantiated notion we’ve been in repair mode for several years), believes we DO NOT need a GM.
Gary is practically in a panic that hiring a GM would disrupt our new found draft prowess.
So the Raiders should just press forward with an 81-year-old Owner/GM, responsible for the work of several critical team positions, and a head coach that will have to pick up the slack of not having a GM-type football executive, in addition to all his other HC responsibilities that will include substantial turn over of the player roster, revamp a broken O-line and add a new starting QB, while trying to break an NFL for 11+ consecutive loss seasons.
Yet, the overwhelming notion is, “don’t fix it if it ain’t broke.”
The illogic is staggering, and somewhat of a real killjoy to an otherwise great weekend for the Raiders.
H-
“I’m showing examples of my argument, please supply yours.”
Huh? What have you shown me? Your best argument is that the Raiders have brought in FA failures from other teams, e.g., Barnes, Harris, Pears, et al.
Where have the Raiders built their O-line in the draft? They drafted Gallery and Grove in 2004. Despite epic failures along the O-line, they have neglected to draft there in two of the last three drafts. Where exactly are you going with this??
PR -
Yes, McCloughlan did a very good job in SF infusing young talent over the past 3 seasons.
Yes, McCloughlan is well qualified and respected league wide.
Yes, McCloughlan is a natural fit in Oakland due to the family relationship with ... wait for it ... Al Davis. This is a no brainer decision.
To think that by adding a well qualified executive is "mutiny" is laughable.
I'm pretty happy with this draft overall. Looks like Al finally learned his lesson after several years taking players without having done good scouting beforehand.
Also, J. Campbell is an EXCELLENT pick-up. No, he's not a great QB by any means, but without a doubt he is better than anyone we have on our roster currently, and he brings a certain level of stability and consistency to the position that we haven't seen in a while. We still need a top-level QB in the long run, but J.C. will suffice during what will be a rebuilding process for the next several years, assuming Al doesn't start getting desperate again.
I give the Al kudos too, but these weren't exactly 'genius' picks. Instead of Al pretending that he can find some diamond in the rough, and after several years of embarrassing draft picks and FA acquisitions, Al finally took the 'conventional wisdom' route. Hopefully it's gotten through his head that he no longer can bring innovation to the game anymore. 3-4? Spread-style offense maybe? Let's do it! It's a good sign that Al has sucked up some of his pride, even if he and his 'worshippers' won't cop to it.
Absurd notion that Al doesn't have final say on draft picks. My assumption is that he actually listened more intently to the scouting advice he was given. Tom Cable doesn't have the skill-set or intelligence to be a GM, but certainly Al talked to Cable about who he liked.
B. Campbell as a first-rounder??? LOL That was a joke from the beginning, and finally Al woke up and realized no one was going to draft him that early. It must have been painful for Al after several GM's suckered him into thinking they were interested in H-bey as a 1st round pick. Anyway, Campbell is a serious 'project' player. I think the kid isn't going to fare too well in the NFL, but as a 4th round pick and given his athleticism, it's worth it to see what we can do with the kid after 2-3 years. Certainly, he's no plug'n'play OT. The kid is beyond raw.
I still don't get all of the H-bey optimism. The kid is 99.9% a bust. No amount of character or hard work is going to change the fact that he doesn't have NFL hands or NFL instincts. Renaldo Nehemiah had great work ethic and character too, and we know how that went.
I posted this to the Raiders newsgroup:
The Raiders still need a GM, and Al even said this was the case
in his last press conference (Blanda notes this oftenb). Moreover, drafts picks don't address the organizational deficiencies that still exist. The Raiders organization has been chaotic and inconsistent ever since Gruden and Campbell left town. One good draft class (if that ends up being the case) won't change that. All playoff teams have in common a sound organizational structure and philosophy. Some of it deals with
legalities, some of it deals with finances and player contracts, some
of it relies on relationships with folks outside the organization
(including press), and some of it relies on how resources are used and how responsibilities are divided up. So yes getting an experienced, sound GM is essential in getting that part of the game on track. Anyone who has worked in a large business understands this.
That said, I like the direction this off-season (thank GOD we didn't draft B. Campbell in the first round!). I'd like to see us in more 3-4 defensive formations and I'd love to see us utilize a spread type of offense with J. Campbell in the line-up.
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Cheers.
Gary says:
"Hey... obviously there is someone smarter than me calling the shots right now."
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Considering your yearly bizarre predictions, no surprise there. Since most people didn't consider B. Campbell a legit 1st rounder, I guess you were in the minority, so I'll let your words above speak for yourself.
We can also put to idea this crap that you and Blanda have been spewing regarding the idea that we will fault Al for anything he does or that we want the team to do poorly. Nonsense. I give Al credit when he puts his ego aside. Hopefully, Al works at remaining consistent to a team philosophy and bringing in a GM in the future to tighten up what is too loose of an organizational structure currently.
Perhaps you'd rather bank on Al living up to your renegade image of him and all of the 'star-struck' insanity that goes along with that, but I prefer seeing a winning team built on the foundation of a well structured organization BECAUSE we already know that this is the ONLY way to be a Super Bowl contender. Perhaps this notion is too abstrct for your mind to grip, but it's a reality nonetheless.
And contrary to to the nonsense coming from you and Blanda, I would applaud Al hiring a legit, experienced GM. There is absolutely nothing to complain about there. As far as this draft, I'm very happy with it. Al seemed to listen to his scouts for the first time in a long while.
I'm not going to pretend that we've turned a corner just yet though. I need to see Al building the organization back up from a pile of rubble, in a consistent fashion year to year. Then we know that good times are ahead that we can enjoy a competitive football team on the field that cares about winning for their teammates, organization and the community.
Gary,
Regarding the Bruce Campbell pick.
Mine was less of a prediction, and more of a "fear" that Al would reach again for a raw project in the 1st round.
I'm glad it didn't happen.
As for the draft, I'm happy with the focus on defense & the 0-line.
I also believe that the Raiders should sign Flozel Adams & Alan Feneca, because Veldheer, & Campbell are probably not going to make any impact on the 0-line this year as rookies.
Onandonandon -
NOW is the time to seize the moment
Reliable, professional QB - check
Stability at Head Coach - check
Above average draft - check
The 1 piece that is missing to have a chance for long term sustainable success is a qualified executive heading up personnel and football operations.
Take the $6M savings from showing Russell the door and add McCloughlan. Investing in a key management hire is investing in the future of the organization.
Absolutely CJ. I believe this can happen. I've always thought that the organization can gets back on its feet with a shift in paradigm. Too early to tell for sure, but if the team can get behind a core philosophy where everyone buys in, we're good to go! A GM is certainly a big piece of that puzzle IMO. That's where the stability comes in, and it's especially important given that Al doesn't give his HC head coach all of the traditional responsibilities usually afforded a typical NFL HC.
I love that we now have a QB who can run a spread type of offense and an offensive coach who knows how to scheme such an offense. Should allow our offense to score more than we've seen in the past.
Speaking of "spread offense." How funny is it that our excuse for drafting H-Bey over Crabtree is that Crabtree only had experience in spread offensive sets. One year later and we've woken up to the fact that the best offenses in the NFL runs this type of offense. That one still hurts for me. Ahh well. Good draft this year.
All praise Jones! His mystery plan of action saved the draft this year! Of course, based on his later statements, nothing has changed, so did it work or not?
I just don't see how any time anyone says anything positive translates into swinging from Al's nut-sack and prematurely ejaculating.
As far as the Defensive scheme goes, Cable kept saying wait and see what we have planned, like there are some definite changes in store. Of course I'm probably just swinging form his nut sack.
-moshbucket
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Mine was less of a prediction, and more of a "fear" that Al would reach again for a raw project in the 1st round.
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Complete fabricated revisionist history.
I can go look it up if you want... you clearly said that the Raider should draft McClain but CLEARLY predicted they would take Campbell instead because of a lack of GM.
Don't make me look it up 00... just do the right thing and admit you were wrong.
Its what adults do.
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onandonandon said...
Gary says:
"Hey... obviously there is someone smarter than me calling the shots right now."
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Considering your yearly bizarre predictions, no surprise there.
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Lol! Considering I never predicted they would take Campbell at 8 (or even hoped they would)... just said that IF they did, at least it was an OT that has a great upside... so your words in my regards are meaningless as usual.
Once again... I can go look this up.
All these posts are archived here, ya know?
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The illogic is staggering, and somewhat of a real killjoy to an otherwise great weekend for the Raiders.
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Uhhh no. Bringing up hiring a GM almost before the draft was even over is the "killjoy" Mr. Miserable-Always Raider "fan".
Maybe in a month is you brought it up I wouldn't have blinked an eye.
Bringing it up yesterday is like saying how much you want to replace Babe Ruth after he just hit his last dinger.
Fuck you asshole.
Theres a time and place for everything.
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I know it seems strange to Gary but many football fans, let alone Raider fans, want a Head Coach who concentrates on HC duties, an owner who is not the acting GM, and a full-fledged GM as a liaison between the HC and Owner on football operations.
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I do to... but why bring it up DIRECTLY after the best draft weekend in 15 years?
I mean if this isn't an example of some of your "ADDS" I don't know what is?
Could anyone be any MORE of an asshole than demanding a new GM after THIS draft?
JFC.
Unbelievable.
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Do I want my Head Coach scouring the waiver wires, on the phone with other GMs, etc.?
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Why not?
Are you saying it cannot be done?
If so, tell that to Holmgren that was a blown call away from winning a SB wearing both hats.
Shannahan wore both hats for years and always managed to have an above average team.
Even St. Gruden did it in a more unofficial realm... are you going to criticize St Gruden now?
lol
If Cable's forte is GM, why fight it?
All I know is SOMEBODY was responsible for this draft without an official GM... if it was Cable, explain exactly why you have a problem with this?
Gary:
I have been very consistent with my message regarding a GM. I wanted a GM yesterday, today, and tomorrow.
The draft doesn't change my belief that the organization would be better off by adding a qualified executive to the mix.
The executive management team for the Raiders should be mainly 3 men (Cable, GM, Davis) who work in partnership to build the best possible team.
Whatever strengths that Cable has in personnel would not be neglected in this equation it would only be strengthened. As a matter of fact, if it is a true partnership like Wolfe/Madden/Davis and Gruden/Allen Davis, it would make it easier for Cable to do his job as Head Coach with someone supporting his endeavors.
Your statement about a HC with GM responsibilities is seriously flawed. There is a reason why there have been so few examples.
It is way too taxing in terms of responsibilities. I would guess that a HC works 70+ hour work weeks from April through December. A GM's job is no less demanding.
Why on earth do you want Cable and Davis to be taking on such a huge load and adding to their hat collection? Makes no sense from a competitive point of view.
Moshy
Did it work or not? who knows, it's only been a couple days after the draft. This sort of thing can't be declared a winner or not until they win more than they lose and the positive things keep coming. Until then, WHO KNOWS.
We all know who the nut sack crowd is, it's been going on since I have found this blog, so it ain't nothing new. The premature thing is just a reference to those who jump all over the draft and say "see, Al is back, the team is and has been going in the right direction all along". It's a positive but there is more to prove, meaning, don't shoot your wad just yet.
Defensive scheme...well, this has been going on since before you were born so sorry if what Cable says ain't quite enough proof that the scheme will change. A lot of things get said before mini camp, before regular camp and during preseason. It can all change once the real games begin, only a pup wouldn't know that. Come on Mosh, your inexperience is showing, you better go back to the insults.
JONES
"CJ"...
Yes Al Davis did an excellent job of infusing the roster with young talented prospects over the past 3-4 seasons....Did he not...And I would wager we now have the better of it over "SadFran" position by position...
PantyRaider...What Can He Bring We Don't Have!!!/_
Damn I'm glad I now spend most of my time on another board where fans are able to show some signs of maturity instead of worrying about some old man's "NutSack"...
PantyRaider...Negative In The Face Of Prosperity!!!/_
Go Fucken figure!!!!
Maturity? you mean like someone who is 15? I wish I could be as mature as you panty.
JONES
What an absolutely stupid piece of shit...Don't reply to me I quit reading your vomited up crap dumb ass...
So if Grad was the next Rich Gannon, does that mean J. Campbell is the next Peyton Manning? LOL Good grief?
Gary says:
"Hey... obviously there is someone smarter than me calling the shots right now."
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Considering your yearly bizarre predictions, no surprise there.
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Lol! Considering I never predicted they would take Campbell at 8 (or even hoped they would)... just said that IF they did, at least it was an OT that has a great upside... so your words in my regards are meaningless as usual.
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Your parsing of the language is meaningless as usual. You're the one who said "there is someone smarter than you." I couldn't agree more. You've been consistently wrong as long as I've read your posts. Moreover, you've been consistently wrong in your pathetic determinations of what motivates people to hold a certain opinion. In your warped and self-absorbed world, it's ALL about YOU. Seriously, your act is beyond strange. Something is wrong with you if you really believe that kind of crap.
Now, if you didn't talk so much smack ("little boy" and the like) I might let you off the hook, but given that you're willing to make foolish grand pronouncements time and time again, it's just too easy to make the very same case that you admitted to above: no, you're the the brightest bulb around. And yet you keep on insisting that you KNOW the truth, when you have no record of such knowledge.
Lol! Considering I never predicted they would take Campbell at 8 (or even hoped they would)... just said that IF they did, at least it was an OT that has a great upside...
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Let me make this clear again for you Gary. Had Al drafted what is clearly a project player at best in the first round, that would have been another example of poorly researched and reckless drafting. In other words, not even Al's ego makes him THAT stupid. But apparently you thought it would have been just dandy. Figures.
For consideration:
All that garbage pre-draft talk about Campbell being taken at #8 was pure speculation on the part of idiots who think "Speed" and combine stats are all that the Raiders ever consider in a player prospect...But they failed to question why would anyone need to have a fast "OT"...So he could be down field and draw the penalty no doubt...
There was absolutely zero evidence of any interest shown by the Raiders prior to taking him on the 3rd day...The player taken as "OT" on the 2nd day had visited the Raiders and was being targeted...Campbell was not...
Whoops..."V" was the only "OT" who finished in the top 10 in every category tested at the combine or personal workouts...
OK...So we got the "OT" with the greatest combine #'s overall but that really means nothing at all...Right???/_
Ha! Ha!...Luv that "MrD" and folks are trying to say he didn't make those picks...RIGHT!!!...
PantyRaider...Just Laughin Baby!!!/_
Gary...
In my recollection it would appear that you were correct because we did in fact draft the player who you speculated we would in fact draft so "Kudos" to you for incite into the Raider Way while others were doubters and crying foul play before the 1st tick-tick-tick of the "Were On The Clock" bell struck fear into all those little devastated proponents of "Don't Draft That Bastard" who now by some strange and uncertain reasoning are consequently thrilled that we did in fact do as you speculated we would and Drafted That Bastard....
PantyRaider....ูููููุ๔:~{]
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New Signings..."UDFA"s...
Kellen Heard is a very talented player who played on both sides of the ball for Memphis last year. He was a project on the O-Line and a very talented DT that plays with a mean streak.
At 6-6, 355, he is quite a load on either side of the ball who is best known for being a tough defender who hit Colt McCoy late in 2006.
In what looks like another great pick-up the Oakland Raiders have added, Chane Moline, a Full Back that is a good receiver out of the backfield and scored 6 touchdowns last season at UCLA. He also handled the ball 227 times with only 2 fumbles, and those were both in 2006-07.
Moline also has experience on Special Teams and at Half Back (He split time there last season). At 6' - 247, he is quite a load to bring down and he ran a 4.58 40.
"We ran a lot of multi formational single back offense, lot of inside zone {blocking}. I'm very comfortable with outside zone, inside zone; I'm pretty familiar, pretty comfortable with how those schemes work. I can't wait to start the hard work as a Raider. "
Guess who said that...Or this...
"That's where the cards fell, I know what I'm going to brings to the table when I get there and I have a chip on my shoulder. I didn't play special team at all in Maryland, but it's something I would love to do...I would love to do it. I love the game so much, I'm a team player."
Who is this guy...
"I'm down here in San Diego, all my friends are Chargers fans, and I'm ready to shut ‘em all up."
Oh! No!...Is this for real...
"It's an honor to play with Richard Seymour. Hopefully this year, we can make him a pro bowler again."
Don't Just Run Yo Mouth...
"My intensity; not just as a football player, but as a teammate and friend to these guys. I know the Raiders haven't been winning a lot these last few seasons, but everything happens for a reason. Now, my personality as far as meeting guys, I'm too much of an outgoing guy, but when it comes to football, I love to win. I do what I have to do for the team and the defense to have success. I'm gonna do my job and I pride myself on stopping the run. I think we're all gonna do what we have to do to stop the run."
PantyRaider....Talk da Talk -n- Walk da Walk!!!/_
Gary - sticks and stones. You're the one begging for Davis NOT to hire a GM. Some of us are simply trying to explain how ridiculous that is. Clearly, that's our mistake.
NYRaider,
“Clearly, there's a contingent here that, based on this weekend's draft (and an unsubstantiated notion we’ve been in repair mode for several years), believes we DO NOT need a GM.”
Incorrect. At least in my case. We just had a very good three days. I contend Cable (or someone) was heavily involved. If it was Cable, now he must turn his attention to coaching. We still need to be cognizant of free agents available after June 1st, and there’s the in season personnel decisions. As pumped as I am, we’re not through wandering in the desert until results show on the field. Additional players are needed for that.
Also, “Huh? What have you shown me? Your best argument is that the Raiders have brought in FA failures from other teams, e.g., Barnes, Harris, Pears, et “
Serial means ongoing, Neglect means to abandon. They drafted what was supposed to be two studs. Brought in former first round picks and others that didn’t work for other teams (a strategy that has worked in the past). There may have been “Serial Failures,” but not “Serial Neglect”.
Calico,
On a conspiracy note, maybe McCloughlan was secretly working in the background on this one as a tryout. Remember, Al loves to do off the wall things that stretch the boundary of the rules, and screws other teams. McCloughlan had received a settlement from the Whinners and didn’t need a salary right away. Can we get a few black helicopters in the air?
Now, two items.
First Houston Lamar. While he probably is the “run stuffer” all the panels said he is, I am reserving judgment until I review the video of the BCS Championship game again.
Texas came into the game with the top rated run defense by a wide margin. Alabama had two backs rush for over 100 yards. And, when you played Alabama last year you had to stop the run first.
Second, Jason Campbell. He is EXACTLY the kind of quarterback Al Davis likes. Al has always said on average it takes five years for a quarterback to develop in the pro ball. Campbell has five years and a strong accurate arm. As a plus he is fairly mobile, loves to throw to the tight end and has had good stats despite an O-Line that has underperformed as much as ours.
H
This just in:
John Henderson DT, Jacksonville, 6-6, 335 former Pro-Bowler released. Worth bringing to camp?
H
H - Thanks for that grounded perspective. We need a football guy that can do the things you mention while Cable focuses on coaching this team toward contention.
Al Davis will have his hands full just dealing with the CBA and stadium issues (short-term lease). Some here just don't get that.
Gary seems to think that hiring a GM would be a mistake because we've had some kind of draft epiphany, and hiring anyone into the mix right now will disrupt the genius.
In my estimation, I project the following players as STARTERS that were drafted in the last 4 years:
McClain, Houston, Veldheer, Murphy, Mitchell, Schilens, Shaughnessy, Branch, Scott, Miller, Henderson, and Bush.
That's 12 starters out of, last I heard, a possible 22.
WE NEED A NEW GM!!!!
Gary,
Yes. As much as I love Al, and Blanda will agree with this, he'll be 81 this July 4th.
It's the physical toll the job takes. He already uses a walker.
What I believe happened is the staff quietly went about the job of looking at what to fix this year. Decided who they thought was best in the draft, what their alternatives were if those were not available. Then presented their plan and got Al's stamp of approval.
Which is the way it's suppose to work. Not whinning and complaining to the press about not getting your way.
Another consideration is, now we have the contract negotiations. In an uncapped year they are even more tircky. These guys still haven't played a single down in the NFL.
H
One more item. Just because we have picked up 12 starters in 4 years isn't cause for celebration. Remember, Russell was a starter.
I'm the most optimistic guy here, but if your starters play like crap you haven't improved anything.
H
One more item. Just because we have picked up 12 starters in 4 years isn't cause for celebration. Remember, Russell was a starter.
I'm the most optimistic guy here, but if your starters play like crap you haven't improved anything.
H
Geez, folks, can't we all just get along?
It looks like a great draft, we all seem to agree on that.
I don't think this proves we don't need a GM, no more than the great games we played with Gradkowski proved we didn't need added help at quarterback...
Which we did, and which we got in the form of Jason Campbell. Hooray!
We still got our workout warriors (I'm sure it was just a coincidence...), but later in the draft.
Change that you can see and taste, that's what I've been talking about...
And now I can finally taste it. Please let it not be an appetizer. Let's make it an entree.
I think all we've seen here is Cable taking a page or two from Gruden's playbook, only I think Cable got better results.
Gruden came to understand that the way you work Al Davis is to understand he's a man who needs convincing. You do that by providing the man with film of what you're talking about with detailed analysis. If your head coach can't do that, he's likely not going to turn out to be a very good head coach to begin with. We haven't had a coach since Gruden with that ability to explain themselves. More than anything else, because of the method by which he became HC, Cable has learned to explain himself more than anybody.
Cable, the scouts and the coaching staff looked at who they wanted and made arguments for why they wanted them. They provided the evidence, and Al listened. That is the same process that got JaMarcus removed as starter. For the first time in eight years, the Raider system worked the way it was supposed to.
But the fact remains that Al WILL have to find some replacement for himself in the near future. The sooner the better if this is someone who will eventually run the football operations going forward after Al.
Cable has been learning how to be a Raiders HC, and I'm waiting to see what Hue brings to the table.
Regardless of all of that, I think we may see JaMarcus fail to complete training camp. I think he's on the block. Otherwise, explain Cable's immediate response when asked the following question...
Q: Have you talked to Russell, and will he be at the mini camp?
Cable: Yeah, there’s no reason for him not to be here. I have not talked to him yet. I haven’t talked to anyone other than the players that have been drafted and focused on that. We’re working on free agency right now. We’ll reach out to who we need to.
Take, I do agree. Best in years.
To me Gradkowski was better than Russell. But I didn't want McNabb (too expensive) or Big Ben (too expensive and too much baggage).
Campbell for a 2012 fourth round pick, no brainer.
I think Veldheer and Campbell will compete for RT and/or RG. Campbells speed might make him a heck of a pulling guard. But, he needs a mean streak like The Wiz had.
H
Earlier, I said that we'll know how the Raiders really feel about Russell when we get to camp. I think we already know. The Raiders (and Mr. Davis) don't have a real high opinion of Mr. Russell. I think they will give him a base opportunity while trying to shuffle him off to another team for the best they can get in exchange. Which I don't think will be much.
Once camp starts, any sign of the 2009 version of Russell will bring his release. But mark my words, somebody will pick him up - and it will likely be somebody in our own division (I'm looking at KC and Denver).
So while we all appear to embrace this as the best (most sensible) draft in years, and we look forward to measurable results, only Gary is saying Davis should NOT hire a football exec (a/k/a GM).
I'm going to add this Garyism to the one that suggests we should lose games in a lost season so we can improve our draft position.
Gary will now remaind us all that, had we blown a few games last year, we could have selected Suh.
How I think the QB situation will shake out.
I'm pretty certain that Russell will be gone before the season starts. The word coming down is that since Russell's family mentors have died, his remaining family tends to support his rich life style rather than push the talent that got him there. And Russell, obvious from the day he was drafted, relies on close associations to keep him focused. That's likely why the Raiders put a shadow on him.
I have a remaining question mark regarding Gradkowski, in that I've only been able to watch him in a few games. My initial judgment is that he's the real deal, but I've always advocated bringing in added insurance (which was not forth coming in the signing of Boller).
The starting spot will be a battle between Campbell and Gradkowski. Boller will wind up released, as well as Russell. Frye will wind up, again, as our number three. I'd still like to keep Frye around until he retires, and then hire him as a QB coach. I think he'd make a damn good one.
1 and 2 = either Campbell or Gradkowski as #1 - Campbell likely has an edge in that he played a whole season last year, Gradkowski has an edge by knowing the Raider system in place.
3 = Frye
Gone = Russell and Boller.
A word about Veldeer...
Although he went to a Division II school there is something very notable about this gentleman.
Read this carefully: In his college career (starting as a true Freshman) he NEVER allowed a sack.
FOUR YEARS - NOT ONE SACK!
If you threw a no hitter in Little League baseball, I guarantee you that professional scouts would know your name before you hit high school. A no hitter on any level is considered remarkable.
I would have to say that allowing NO SACKS in a four year career as an OT would rate at about that level.
This is definitely a man with upside.
Blanda,
One point of disagreement.
Jason Campbell said Al Davis told him he was the starter. As I said before, it makes sense based on experience level and production.
I think Cable is comfortable with the primary battle being between Gradkowski and Campbell, as I believe Cable will keep his promise to Gradkowski that he can compete for the starting job.
I think Campbell is comfortable with that also.
That's set up for the disagreement.
Russell has refused to restructure his contract. If he continues this stance, I believe the current quarterback situation will allow them to release Russell by the end of the first mini camp, if not before. With no cap, no cap hit.
If I understand correctly he gets 9 million if he makes the team. That's more than enough to pay Campbell's sallary AND maybe pick up some FA depth at another position.
H
I've heard that's what Campbell has said, but Cable directly contradicted it. He very clearly stated that it will be a five man competition for QB, and he said that Campbell was told that, and he's okay with it.
That doesn't mean, however, that some contestants won't be disposed of fairly quickly so we can get to a three man rotation in the pre-season games. Boller will likely fill the fourth spot through the pre-season in case of an injury to one of the primary three. But I expect that Russell will be gone before the fourth pre-season game, and he may not play that much in the first three.
JaMarcus Russell? My current opinion is that the Raiders should press him to agree to restructure his contract and keep him as the #3 QB. The Raiders have so much time and money invested that keeping him over Frye and Boller should make sense.
In other words, pay him the guaranteed money owed, then at or close to the league minimum, or hit the road... where he would likely become the biggest bust in NFL draft history.
Russell is a young guy with physical tools. Maybe he'll wise up and apply himself.
NYRaider,
I might go along with that if, and only if, Russell shows up for mini camp in better shape, better attitude and more willing to work. And, he has to be there for all OTA's even though they are not mandatory. It's a consideration as to how interested he is in keeping his job.
This attitude, work and conditioning must continue through camp AND he has to win that third spot. No more handing him stuff. It sends a bad message to the rest of the team.
H
In my mind, JaMarcus begins the pre-season camps in the #4 spot behind Frye. I'll only go so far as to say Russell should be in front of Boller, and that's only because Boller has no instruction in the system.
Campbell will be given plenty of time, and likely Gradkowski also. Russell should have to earn the playing time he gets, with Frye being given defference because Frye outplayed Russell last year.
The really sad thing about JaMarcus Russell? When his mentors were alive, they had him on track. He improved all season in his second year, leading to high hopes for his third.
But after his second year, both of his mentors had died. Since then he's been living the high life, apparently because the rest of his family is telling him that's what a rich man does. And as a result, JaMarcus will likely kiss his NFL career goodbye before this season (his fourth) even begins.
At some point after that, I think JaMarcus will remember his mentors, what they meant to him, and understand how much he's let them down.
These have been the best two weeks for this organization since 2002. Its amazing how much WHERE you draft someone can effect sentiment. Had they taken Bruce Campbell at #8 as so many members of the media speculated (hoped) It would have been a disaster, but now, you get him in the fourth round and I find myself really excited about this impressive new "piece of clay" that Coach Cable has to work with. Let's hope common sense continues to rule the day.
As for the OTHER Campbell
Look, they traded for the guy and then EXTENDED his deal at a larger salary than what he will be making next year. Jason Campbell wasn't brought here to sit. Barring a colossal meltdown (see Russell, Jamarcus) he is your week one starter, no question in my mind. I can't frickin wait.
The truth is, no one knows what kinds of twists and turns this season will take (and as Raider fans we sure as shit know they're-a-comin.) But for the first time in awhile I can honestly say that it feels good to be a Raider fan right now boys,
Feels damn good.
PS
Anytime you can go out and sign a guy named "Rock" It's a worthwhile move in my book.
Go Raiders.
Just a thought....has anyone ever looked at the track record of peoples lives AFTER they win a lottery? Jafatass seems to have the same sickness as a lot of these lottery winners.
JR said F it, he got the dough so now he don't have to show. Why bother, he got the dough. Now he want to live like a rapstar.... the kid just don't get it. Shit, it even looks like Al has given up on him, has anyone else heard the rumors that JR is close to 300? Is this true? If he is, it will go down as the worst draft pick ever.
Campbell will be an upgrade, but he is still unproven, is he better than a Kerry Collins? Brooks? Guess that's why they play the games.
JONES
BR said,
"But the fact remains that Al WILL have to find some replacement for himself in the near future. The sooner the better if this is someone who will eventually run the football operations going forward after Al."
No, Al doesn't need to find a replacement for himself in the near future. Al needs to find someone to provide executive support to him while he is still owner. For all we know, Davis will be alive for another 10+ more years.
As Davis' get older, his energy, and ability to handle the heavy work demands as Owner/GM diminishes. He needs someone to help shoulder the load with the singular goal of winning another SB.
QB Situation ...
Campbell has played in 32 of 32 past Redskins games completing over 62% of his passes. He has started more games (52) than anyone on our roster. He was given a $100k bonus incentive for this season and an extension at $4.5M next year.
Although Cable is saying all the right things about a "QB competition", and maybe he gave his word to Ski that a true competition will take place. However, when Ski torn his pectoral muscle shortly after tearing his MCL, it puts him clearly in the trail position. Over the next month Ski won't be getting any work while Campbell will be getting up to speed. By the time Ski is able to start "competing", Campbell will be firmly rooted as a CLEAR CUT #1.
As far as Russell, I think he will be asked to restructure, refuse, and be shown the door in the next few days. IF Russell is at camp and in an exhibition game and gets hurt, the Raiders are on the hook for the full $9M.
The real battle in my mind is for the #3 slot of Boller vs. Frye. Frye knows our system and is a good locker room guy. Boller has some familiarity with Hue Jackson. My final guess:
#1 by a MILE - JC
#2 Ski
#3 Boller
Gary...
Add to that "RunDmC" and "DHB" who are already starters regardless of the stats not being there yet..."TE"s X 2 along with Huff so that adds at least 5 more to your list...
"JeFat"...
I have to disagree with the majority on this one...Good points have been raised about his mentors and the reasons for his disappointments but his talents are still there but as yet unharnessed and we are in an un-caped season so do you really think "MrD" gives a damn about the extra cash on that pay-check...
He went out and got him the man who mentored Flacko into a realistic starter and put him immediately to work at "JeFat's home and family...It has been reported that they now have built a very good working relationship and I believe that will continue to grow and be very productive...But at this point it's wait -n- see...
I don't recall any word from the Raiders that "JeFat" needs to restructure his contact...That is just "Mediot" crap/speculations as they try to drive a wedge deeper under his already tender fingernails...What I have heard is a demand that he comes in to camp in shape and ready to play and that's exactly what I'm fully expecting that "FatAss" to do...The free ride is over and it's far past time to get to work already...
As for the family deaths and a young mans psyche that's a crippling experience to many....Not just the "FatKids"....No excuse though it's far too late for that now...Get over it and get to work...
I say he has a fair competition ahead of him but needs to earn it because there is no gift waiting for him or any other "QB" on our roster...Cable was very clear about that...
"GM" -vs- "MGP"...
To clarify:
I have said all along that the argument that there is something terribly wrong with the Raiders present structure of allowing the owner to run his own damn team is pure utter nonsense...How Ever...I have never said it would be a mistake to bring in additional help in what ever form "Ownership" sees fit according to "His" schedule/desire...Period...Also that an old man is incapable of running an NFL franchise is also pure and total nonsense....Look around the prof is there that he is in fact doing it and this season testifies that he can still do a damn good job when he puts his heart into it...The 3 day schedule was no doubt was a great benefit to him in that regard...
As prof remember last season when the Maden speculation 1st surfaced and I was one of the 1st and most eager to pimp that idea before he even announced his intention to retire...But this "SadFran" reject is quit another story....I don't see anything that he brings to the table that we don't already have and have so stated...The "Tuna" is another I was pimping and he would bring a great deal to the table...No doubt...But few others would excite me and we don't need another big mouth son of a great coach "Wagin-da-Dawg" again like Lambardi who continues to be a pipe-line of story telling across the NFL...
I am content to wait it out until the "OldMan" is damn good and ready to tell us what is next...Eagerly...And if that's more involvement from Cable and Hue becoming "HC" than I'm perfectly fine with that too...
PantyRaider...Still Pimpin "MrD"!!!/_
"OldMen" Rule!!!/_
Take a damn good look around the world and that's a fact....
Ha!..Ha!...-n- -a- Ha!...Ha!...Too///_
I just hate it when I speak before the word is out...
this just in - if true, Al is free from undue influences
http://forum.sportal.com.au/yaf_postsm1832648_Oakland-Raiders—Insider-Info.aspx
UPDATE ON JAMARCUS RUSSELL
JaMarcus Russell is looking more and more of a fool every day (don’t know how that’s possible). The Oakland Raiders have been in contact with Russell since the Campbell trade and offered Russell a chance to stay on the roster of the Raiders provided that he took a pay cut. Russell has declined to take a pay cut. The Raiders are not going to let JaMarcus participate at the mini-camp this week. Russell however still intends on showing up, and the Raiders are completely aware of this. It is expected that the Raiders simply will not Russell enter Raiders HQ should he arrive without having taken, nor intending to take a pay cut.
Part of me also believes that the Raiders aren’t going to release him until this debacle happens because they want to humiliate him and show the rest of the world just how much more of an idiot he is (if everything that he’s done got reported in mainstream media he wouldn’t be able to go outside without getting egged, would possibly even be in jail).
FURTHER UPDATES
Terrell Owens and the Oakland Raiders are currently negotiating on a contract. TO wants to play for the Raiders and there is mutual interest on both sides. His agent is an ass though. It’s going to come down to $$$, but if Mr. Davis wants him, TO will sign a contract to wear the silver and black. I’m sure this story will develop in the near future…….
Alan Faneca is in the final stages of negotiations with the Oakland Raiders. Faneca has been offered more money by the Raiders than what the Houston Texans were willing to pay for his services. Faneca reportedly “likes what we are doing” as an organization and is expected to put pen to paper officially within the next few days.
PantyRaider...WoW!!...That Old Bastard Is Pulling da Trigers!!!/_
Here is what Article XXIII, Section 3(a) of the current CBA says:
An otherwise qualified player will not be entitled to termination
pay under this Article if the Club can demonstrate that, after receipt of a written
warning from his Club in the form attached hereto as Appendix N, the
player failed to exhibit the level of good faith effort which can be reasonably
expected from NFL players on that Club.
Here is Appendix N:
WRITTEN WARNING GOOD FAITH EFFORT
[date]
Dear [player]:
The Club hereby provides you with written notice that you are failing to exhibit
the level of good faith effort which can be reasonably expected from
players on this Club. If you do not demonstrate the good faith effort which
can be reasonably expected from players on this Club, you will not be entitled
to Termination Pay under Article XXIII of the Collective Bargaining
Agreement if you are terminated before the end of this season.
[Club Official]
[Club name]
If JR doesn’t agree to being terminated and a dispute arises, here is what the generic NFL contract says about disputes:
DISPUTES. During the term of any collective bargaining agreement,
any dispute between Player and Club involving the interpretation or
application of any provision of this contract will be submitted to final and
binding arbitration in accordance with the procedure called for in any collective
bargaining agreement in existence at the time the event giving rise to
any such dispute occurs.
In order to win the arbitration, the Raiders must have a solid file on JR. The fact that he missed the first day of voluntary off-season practice doesn’t amount to much:
No Club official shall indicate to a player that the Club’s off-season workout program or classroom instruction is not voluntary (or that a player’s failure to participate in a workout program or classroom instruction will result in the player’s failure to make the Club).
Nor does the fact that he went to Las Vegas during the first weekend of off-season practice:
The CBA limits such workouts to four (4) days per week; such workout programs are not permitted on weekends.
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There's absolutely no doubt that Campbell is the starter. Hue Jackson is going to employ a spread offense and Campbell is the best fit. Plus, he's getting paid over 4 mil. No-brainer. Cable is simply being political.
Talk about "News Your Can't Use."
I read in the media today that Mel Kiper Jr. graded the Raiders draft "C" because they didn't take QB Jimmy Clausen with the #8 pick.
I was curious so I got on to bspn.com and discovered you have to pay to get Kiper's post-draft analysis.
Is this guy for real? Don't they pay him? He's got to steal nuts from us to make a living?
That's like a bookie charging you for the results of a fight after its been fought.
Newsflash to Jr... GET REAL!
ESPN should dump Jr. and make Gruden their draft specialist. Jr v. Gruden understanding of football and the draft is like night and day.
NYRaider,
WOW, something we agree on 110%, maybe more. (just chain yanking).
Kipher was apoplectic about McClain, Gruden said he thought it was a great pick. Even noted Raider Hater Tom Jackson said it was great, “They won’t be looking for a middle linebacker for years to come.”
Yeah, you got to be an “ESPN Insider” and give up your first born to read his stuff. Sorry, they ain’t that good.
H
One more thing.
Rock Cartwright, now there's a football name.
H
At this point, I think JaMarcus has to be the poster child for a rookie salary cap.
Take a look...
And remember - this kid didn't give up ONE sack in his entire four year college career.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/36738856
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Panty,
If true about Alan Faneca, it is great news.
Would also like to bring in Flozel Adams to keep beefing up 0-line.
Valdheer, & Campbell will probably not make impact for a year or two.
Very wary about T.O. He is not the same player, and can be disruptive to team.
Raiders should take alook a former pro bowl DT, John Hederson, released by Jags. Henderson is only 31 yrs old.
With Lamarr Houston slated to be a DE, Raiders still need some beef in middle of D-line.
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