Official 2010 Preseason Launch Thread
One hour until kickoff. Two words: Go Raiders!!!
posted by Raider Take at 4:45 PM
Thursday, August 12, 2010
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Let me start it off by offering this link to watch a live feed of the game (for those out of the viewing area). You have to sign up, but H did it a couple weeks ago and said it works. I'm hoping to use the account I started last year... we shall see.
http://www.sopcast.com/
Cheers to a new season filled with pride and poise and commitment to excellence. In other words, a change of pace.
Go Raiders!
Ok. I just checked sopcast and I'm not seeing the game listed. Not sure if they have it tonight. Hmm, that may change things a bit.
Son of a....
IMO, it's still worth signing up. They played pre-season and regular season games last year.
My eyes tonight are focused on the following players;
McClain, Houston, T.Scott, J.Campbell, DHB
Go Raiders! cj
Well I can't get the game vid but I have it on the radio...Here is the Url...
http://www.compassmedianetworks.com/pg/jsp/charts/medialiveaudio.jsp
It is found at raiders.com live coverage and click on listen if the direct url dosen't work...
1st qtr is up and into the 2nd...
That "D" is doing it's job...About 5 sacks already...ShawNasty is an animal...Running is small...
The "O" sputters but made one good drive before going for it on 4-1...That was not a good call...Bush can run...
Now it's Grad time...
PantyRaider..."D" Is Brightest Spot On The Field!!!/_
1st half stats...
First Downs 5 6
Total Yards 95 88
Passing Yards 40 57
Rushing Yards 55 31
Penalties (Yds) 4(24) 2(20)
Turnovers 0 0
Punts (AVG) 4(41) 3(50)
Time of Pos. 12:49 17:10
Dallas in their second game look better prepared on "O" but our "D" is doing a job...I'm extremely happy about that...
Meanwhile our running game is effective but the passing is still a work in progress as should be expected...
PantyRaider...Overall Acceptable But Not Great!!!/_
Our D-Line looked excellent while our O-Line looked poor. I know it is only 1 half in the 1st pre-season game but I really believe our best chance to move up the competitive ladder will be through our D.
Shaunnessey & Houston as book-ends getting after the QB was NIIIIIIIIIIICE!
"CJ"...
I have no view and no talking about it on the radio...
Question: Are the Raiders getting the pressure with just the front 4 or are they having to bring blitzes...
PantyRaider...Luv That "D"!!!/_
front four doing it.
Is it possible that Tom Flores doesn't know who Lamarr Houston is? He had to ask "what's that kid's name" in the first half. Is Tom moonlighting his analyst gig? What's his day job?
So far, Raiders offense looks about the same as last year, particularly O-line and at WR. There's one WR, Murphy, who looks the part; then there's some pretenders trying to make a below-avg squad... with no sign of this mysterious Schilens character.
Raiders D looks improved, with emphasis at DE. Might be some depth too.
Can the faidas go 0-20? That's the real question around the NFL, I say they can and will... After watching the 1st. half, it's clear that "jc" aint gonna bring anything better than "j-busticus" had, the D is again over rated, but you faida fanatics over rate your faidas in every catagory available any way so what's new, I see the same losing mentality that was there in "09", Way to go big smell (Mr.) davis, you've got the makings of another bust! 0-20 in "10" Just lose babies. Defend the "nation"
Anno 7:45pm...
Thanks Bro...I'm over here in Bangkok trying to get coverage of our 1st game...Appreciate the heads-up...Sounds damn good to me...
"NYR"...
Regarding that "OL"...Didn't you see them run blocking for that 87 yds rushing on the stats at the 3:40 mark of the 3rd qtr...What do you want to bet we break 120 for the game...But no improvement right...
PantyRaider...Just As I Thought!!!/_
PR -
How much of that run blocking was with the first unit?
100yds rushing after 3 so I guess it's obvious that "OL" can't block for shit and our stable of "RB"s is also obviously worthless too without my "McFab" in the game...
"FG" failure...Glad he ain't making the team...
PantyRaider...That Passing Game Will Play Off That Running Game!!!/_
45 yds was the mark when the change was made at "QB"...I can't see the game so don't know who was playing on the line...But now are you trying to say our back-ups are better...
You will grab at anything to bash my team won't you...
PantyRaider...Just Supportin Baby!!!/_
PR breaking out the "I told you so" with the Raiders losing 6-0 in their first preseason game.
Wow! I stand corrected. Raiders O-line gettin' it done.
9-0...
Ya can't even get that right...
Boller back again...Dammit...I want to see what the "Colt" can do...
Don't look now but our "D" has only given up 63 yd rushin at the 10:40 mark of the 4th qtr...
PantyRaider..."0" That "D"!!!/_
Ok. If you say so. 9-0.
Let's play the O-line backups as starters when the season starts. Clearly, the stats prove they're better than the first team O-line.
"TD"...."TD" Raiderssss...
Nick miller...
117 rushin at the 4:58 mark...Come on 120...
What...NO "TD"...
PantyRaider...Damn "Zebra"s...
Nick Miller just made a catch that DHB couldn't. Might be reversed.
Valdheer looks decent at center, and played pretty well at LT. Ideally, he will mature quickly and displace Henderson at LT or Satele at C and improve this line.
Until then, or some other move, the Raiders O-line will remain below avg for the NFL.
OK REVIEW....
Now we have it...
Damn "Zebra"s...
PantyRaider...9-7!!!/_
15yds flag on "FG"....Now kicking from the 45...Come on On-Side Kick....
Did we score yet ?
Now we see if that "D" can stop the run...With a 2 point lead the "CowGirls" want to run down that clock...
4:58 left...
PantyRaider...Stuff'em!!!/_
Hey Captain fantasy, the Raiders could run for 320 yards and it wouldn't change the results for their first team O against the Dallas first team D.
Nobody wants to hear about stats in the first preseason game, because nobody cares... except you for some bizarre reason.
3-n-out...Great run "D"...
Now come on "Colt"..
NO...Boller back in...
Running 129..
Passing 188...
Look Out we about to score...
Oh!...This is so exciting...Too bad you can't enjoy it "NYR"...
So everyone, refresh my memory. Just when will it be exactly that PantyRaider will disappear for the season, only to return in January to assure everyone that everything is ok? September 1st? September 15th?
SR
OK Jano...10-9 we be winning!!!...
The faidas didn't make the TD, his second foot was out, but who cares the faidas lose AGAIN!!!!!! Great commentating by the stutteing duo "jimmy the plunk plunklet" and "tommy Mr. Flowers flores" and of course the only one who doesn't stutter "greg papa-smear", all he does is try and put the faida "slant" into the game, if ever the faidas are doing anything wrong , he tries to make it sound like they're getting screwed. Don't leave out "the brick shizzle house" and " "ol' mushmouth asskinson".. What a great group of guys, be proud faida fanatics, don't forget "panty smeller" . He's the brains of the franchise.
SR...
I will be back in US AirSpace next month and be at the games...Will prolley stay until January...No excape baby!!!/_
PantyRaider....Your Wish Is Not My Command!!!/_
2 min warning...Come'on "D"...Int time Baby!!!...Take it back for points...
PantyRaider...I'm Luv'in My Raider Football!!!/_
Houston-n-ShawNasty back in the game...
"TO...4-1...
Come'on :D"...
Int..."TD" Raiderssss....
Just as I called it...Going the other way...
PantyRaider...Damn I'm Great!!!/_
10,000 mile away and I can see it before it happens....
17-9....
Sk #6....
Int #2....We Won...We Won...
My Raiders are so great....
I'm so happy I'm doing Flip/Flops -w- Lolly-Pops...Hor-Ray! Hor-Ray!!!...
Ya-Ba-Da-Ba-Do My Raiders Just Slapped You!!!....
Next week it's Bear-Meat" for dinner...
PantyRaider...Just Like That "80" Team!!!!/_
New Thread...New Thread...
Come'on...The Raiders are officially back..."SB" bound...Sing it threw the net...
PantyRaider...We Be Back!!!/_
................OAK DAL
First Downs 18 13
Total Yards 317 263
Passing Yards 188 197
Rushing Yards 129 66
Penalties (Yds) 9(63) 8(66)
Turnovers 1 2
Punts (AVG) 6(37) 7(43)
Time of Pos. 27:42 32:18
I'm so happy...Got me a new AirCard for 2400 B ($75) and my AIS network for only 350 B ($11)/mo @ 100 hrs/mo...So now I will still be connected at my beach house near the Thai border...This is so great...There's no escape now Baby...I'm here...I'm HHERE!!!...
PantyRaider....And My Raiders Are Back!!!/_
The positives and the only meaningful assessment is really based on the 1st Quarter where our #1's played there #1s ...
I like our improved run D.
I like Scott, Shaunnessey, and Houston getting to the QB from the edge.
The OLine looks inept.
The WR corps is shaky at best.
Just the 1st exhibition game of a team and season that is clearly a work in progress.
I won't (and you shouldn't) read too much into the final score or stats when the majority (3/4) were played by 2nd and 3rd stringers.
If you were to read the tea leaves by training camp, personnel, and the 1st exhibition game, it would seem to be a team that will need to win close, relatively low scoring games.
Special teams, field position, game management, red zone efficiency, turnover differential, and time of possession are HUGE factors in winning as low as 5 games or as many as 10.
My biggest initial concerns are the right side of the OLine, center, the WR group, and having a healthy team by the opener.
My biggest concerns are the O-line, Defensive scheme, Qb, Left Corner, Wr depth, if DHB has to be a starter, your done. Looks like Al is still calling the shots, like I said, so far, the chairs have moved, same room. So with the coaches hands tied behind their backs, it will be the same movie. This is what I took from this game.
Positives, Houston looks like a player. McClain didn't really stand out, didn't see him get burned. Scott making plays and Shaunessy too. Defense definitely has some talent, give them a big league scheme and they would be dangerous.
One thing I noticed that I didn't like, the 4th and one where the Raiders were using their #1 Offense. Dallas sent out their 1st D squad and stopped them. Then near the end of the half, Dallas was going for 4th and 2 in the red zone. Raiders pulled out their #2 and put in their #1 D. Cable then pulled out the #1 team and put back in the 2nd team before the snap. Raiders held, but that to me shows a lack of good coaching. It brought down the Offense and it insulted the #1 defense, both negative moves.
Looks like the same movie, just like Obummer, where's the change?
JONES
I wouldn't expect the D to show more than vanilla formations in their first preseason game. They looked pretty good against a solid Dallas O-line.
Despite stat-boy's proclamation that the Raiders are back on offense, there are glaring deficiencies. Again, I wouldn't expect more than vanilla playcalling in the 1st game... but I remain concerned that's all they're capable of.
The first team offense was lucky to get a first down.
And if Justin Fargas can outplay Michael Bush and Darren McFadden, then so can Michael Bennett.
Walker and Barnes both look lost. Walker was called for a false start and I believe Barnes was penalized too. RT is a problem.
Why pull DHB so early? Play him. Let him learn. Worse case, he's injured and they replace him with somebody better.
Figures shows more energy on returns than JLH, and looks like a decent WR. I don't think JLH can help this team anymore. There are plenty of better below-avg WRs on the squad to replace him. Nick Miller and Figures are both better. Miller's grab in the end zone was all the proof I needed. It's not very often (ok, never) when you see a Raiders' WR go and get a ball like that....
NYRaider,
I signed up, but for some reason I couldn’t find the Raiders game, but I dialed it up with the audio feed. I need to play with the site a bit more, unless you have a tutorial for us old guys.
From what I heard and read (only listened to the first half – us old guys need our beauty rest), the defense looked fairly good.
Kick/Punt coverage needs some work. Too many short fields for the opposition.
I liked going for it on fourth down in the first half. We were well within Jano's range, but it was preseason.
Houston is already making a name for himself. Shaunnessey! He’s barely been mentioned in the preseason. Scott was around the ball a lot and Dallas had trouble running the ball. All good things.
The offense is still a work in progress. Well, they’re both still a work in progress, but the defense seems to be ahead at this point. Boller was decent, but that was backup vs. backup.
DHB was only thrown to once, so nothing to evaluate there.
The O-Line is still a concern. I would put that ahead of the WR’s on my list. Especially on the right side since we can’t seem to find an RT that can stop false starting.
Without being able to see it, some good, some bad, mostly indifferent. Your basic first preseason game. At least we didn’t get some false sense of security by blowing them out like last year. What standouts there were came from the defense.
H
NYRaider,
"Is it possible that Tom Flores doesn't know who Lamarr Houston is? He had to ask "what's that kid's name" in the first half."
Don't worry about it too much, it's just a senior moment. You'll understand in a few years.
H
Just checked the highlight video on ESPN's site. We got six sacks, four by starters, the Cowgirls got one.
Guess which team got a sack on the highlight reel?
H
Now, I think someone was trying to tease, or beg folks into commenting on something some guy named Warren “Let Me Tell You How Great I Am” Sapp said.
First, I never listen to Sapp. He’s pretty worthless as an analysis. Just likes to hear himself talk. But I did stumble across an article that mentioned what he said.
So, I ask this question. How come, with all the hundreds of players and coaches who have made their way through the turnstiles at Alameda, he’s the first to say that kind of crap? Let’s be honest, that list includes many luminaries who butted heads with the big guy. Marcus Allen, John Gruden, Shannarat, Lance Kiffin, Gannon and even Saint Snake just to name a few.
Why isn’t Mike Lombardi all over that one? How come Eric Allen, as an analysis, never hinted at such a thing? Or Howie Long?
This is a guy that says “Stats are for losers,” except his stats that is. He also once said, “If Al Davis wants me make it happen,” or something very close. I think he blames the Raiders for him not going to the Pro-Bowl while he was there and was pissed when they wouldn’t commit to bringing him back after his last season.
Just what Svengali like power does Al Davis exert over all these other folks that Sapp was able to thwart somehow? Was he wearing aluminum foil on his shaved head to protect him from Rasputin Davis?
The article also said that Marshall Faulk was trying to give an analysis on how the Raiders had improved, but all Sapp wanted to talk about was Davis.
So now we are supposed to accept, chapter and verse, the gospel according to Warren? A guy arrested for domestic battery and a guy who blatantly took a cheap-shot at a Green Bay Packer player and put him in the hospital for a week.
Jack Tatum makes a legal hit on Daryl Stingly and gets blackballed for life. Sapp does that kind of crap and he’s going to the Hall. Tatum went to the hospital and tried to see Stingly, Sapp just laughed about his and called Packer Coach Mike Sherman “a lying, shit-eating hound”.
He also went out of his way to embarrass Tony Dungy by skipping through the Colts and trash talking before the game when Dungy came back to Tampa as HC of the Colts.
And, he has said of the NFL, “It's a slave system. Make no mistake about it. Slave master say you can't do it, don't do it. They'll make an example out of you," after he was fined for bumping a referee. Yes, it’s a salve system that made him a multi-millionaire. And, if he felt that way why is he hypocritically allowing himself to still be enslaved by the league.
He should go visit John Mackey in the nursing home and thank him for all his hard work in setting up this current "salve system." Mackey, for all his efforts to change the system, probably made 1/10th what Sapp made in his career.
Color me skeptical, but I say let’s see the results of the polygraph and a few more credible witnesses before we send it to the grand jury.
Now that that’s out of my system. I’m assuming the Miller TD was ruled that the contact with the defender pushed him out of bounds. I did not see in the replay on Raiders.com where the second foot touched. Either that or the Refs had dinner reservations and didn’t want the chance of a tie game from field goals.
H
Ahh, typical H. Total character assassination to try and discredit what was said. Faulk was talking about game plans. Sapp waited his turn and then told of how the team would practise what the Co-ordinators had prepared Wednesday and Thursday. They would come back Friday and the gameplan would be changed. He said Al would watch the film of practise that week and would pull out what he didn't want. Now you put that with what Aso said last year about the DC getting yelled at for using a different gameplan. Come on H, you are now the queen of propaganda.
JONES
On the money from Steve Corkran -
"It didn't take much imagination to convince yourself that you were watching the 2009 Raiders offense. Under Campbell's guidance, the Raiders managed only 68 yards and four first downs on four drives without scoring any points."
"Not too much of it has changed," running back Michael Bush said. "The only thing I can think of is maybe coach might run the ball more or something like that. But as far as plays, not much has changed."
As Corkran points out:
"Campbell's first pass hit off wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey's hands, and Heyward-Bey disappeared the rest of the half."
"Receiver Louis Murphy was the only receiver able to get open downfield."
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Just as I said before, Murphy is the only real WR on this squad. Schilens is at best a ghost, and you can't teach a player (DHB) to catch AFTER he joins the NFL.
If the Raiders want DHB to learn, they'll need to keep him in preseason games, instead of patting him on the back and telling him to call it a night after a bad drop.
There's nothing to get excited about on offense.
"NYR"...This is for you prom "J-Mac"...Read it an weep!!!...
If Oakland can approach its 4.4 yards per carry average against the Cowboys consistently, the passing game should come along eventually. Campbell told reporters afterward the Raiders hadn’t gone deep into their playbook and were keeping it simple.
Ha!Ha! I luv'it when I get it right!!!...
"CJ"...
It was a quarter -n- a half...45yds rushing -n- about 30 passing -w- a stupid "Go For It" on 4-1 that hopefully won't happen in a real game...They should have run the ball which brings me to the lone bright spot of the "O"...
They appear to be on their way back to what it was the 1st 2 seasons run blocking under Cable...Now that is very damn promising...And that 4.4 yd average was not the product of a few long runs...It was a work-horse lunch-box type effort which should mean allot more...Just grind it out "Smash-Mouth" style and that's going to wear down some "D"s on our schedule...
As for the pass...Well it was shown to be a work in progress and not much to get excited about there just yet but at the same time very many pluses...Like NO "TO"s...FB/Int/Hand-Offs to the wrong team...That's gotta be worth a few "V"s in it self...And if I'm right only one Sack for the 1st half...Now when was the last time we could say that...
"O" but that "D"...Just what I was expecting to see but a little better...Our returning "DL" coach has made a difference and those 2 young studs are for real...
We did give up some long gains early on to a damn good "O" but stopped it when we needed to and 5 sks in the 1st half was something to hang the hat on and I don't care if it was just preseason....When was the last time a Raider team had 6 sacks as a plus in one game...We have been on the other end far too long...
"H"...
Your completely correct but that bastard is playing to the "HateTrippers" and they are always lookin for something evil to believe so the hell with anyone who swallows that "CRAP"...
On a legitimate note according to the radio the men in the booth said it was a "TD" and should not have been overturned...Than it came back as a "TD" so that's one time they got it right...But like you I had no eyes on the thing so will wait for a look at the highlight to know for sure...
PantyRaider...More Pluses Than Minuses!!!/_
J-Mac was asked in his Q&A forum how many catches he expects from DHB.
His answer was 35.
I will be shocked if DHB catches more than 20-25.
The Raiders pulled him out of last night's game like he was a seasoned vet. Hell, Nnamdi played longer.
At the current pace, this kid may get only 20 snaps during preseason, after which he will be a starter... still clinging to a total of 9 recorded catches in his NFL career.
This guy is the Raiders' new generation scholarship player.
Did anyone else see Sam Williams last night. They called his number on special teams. How is this guy even still in the NFL? Uhh, don't answer that!
Damn "NYR"...
Your getting kinda bitter if someone spells out a little improvement in my Raiders' "O"...Now what the hell is that...Your a "D" fan but the "O"-n-"ST" belongs to that other guy...
Just like Lance huh!!!...OK...I guess I will look for a nick-name that fits...
How about...
PR -
"Ha!Ha! I luv'it when I get it right!!!..."
What? Are you 12? PR is a 12 year-old boy trapped in a 60 year-old man's body.
Did you watch the game? I did. Read the article by Steve Corkran. It's right on the money and includes quotes from the players.
Most of those 3rd-string players you're so proud of for getting the win last night won't even make the team.
All I saw was that the Raiders MIGHT have more depth than the Cowboys... which is a good thing.
Our O starters could barely move the ball against the Cowboys first-team D. So far, just like 2009.
Ya!..They called his # because he was making plays on "ST"...He is known as one of the better tacklers on "ST"s around the league...
Damn your bitter "HateTrip" with my team is getting old...
PantyRaider...Lost On Your "Trail-o-Tears"!!!/_
PS..."DHB" = Secret Weapon...If ya show him it ain't no secret anymore and he might go lame which would only make your day...
PR -
Show me improvement and I will acknowledge it.
I like what I saw on D, but the O sucked... until Boller got his legs and made some plays. However, Boller isn't the Raiders' QB. He's a longshot at best to make the team. So why should I get excited about his play? It's moot.
PR said: (Sam Williams) is known as one of the better tacklers on "ST"s around the league..."
By whom? Show me one quote. Sam Williams is a scholarship player on the Raiders who probably wouldn't make ANY OTHER squad in the NFL. He's been in the league forever, and has yet to do ANYTHING!
Geez! What will it take to actually improve this ballclub? The owner, the coaches and the fans are blind.
"Geez! What will it take to actually improve this ballclub? The owner, the coaches and the fans are blind."
Ask Warren, he knows, same thing that has been said on this board for a long time now = Al Davis, please SIT DOWN, get your fingers out of the pie. It really is that simple.
JONES
Well I'm damn glad you brought that us "NYR"...
Sense it's the same now I can than post it that way...
Dallas..."D"..."09" to "10"...
Total "D"....#9...
And they were able to slow the Raiders #31 "O"...Well congrats on that one...
Raiders "D" #26 was able to slow their #2 "O" too so now how do you figure that one...
Now for a look at the now...
Raiders "O" is now...get this...#2...
Dallas #4...
Raiders "D" #3...
Dallas #2...
Now guess what...The stats were very even and the score was too until that "TO" so we are now equals with the "CowGirls"...
OK...I'm down with that...
PantyRaider...Gotta Luv A Fool!!!/_
Wow, now quoting people and providing actual examples and backup is now character assassination.
Now that's interesting.
H
Sam Williams ("03" Draft) is only 30 and has well over 100 tkls as a "ST"s player and he sticks as a "ST"er...Rarely does he play "OLB" but he is a back-up...He was cut and brought back at least once...Maybe more...Makes small money and does what's asked of him...
It's preseason...This may be his last shot as well as Routt's...Why is you damn bitterness so eager to spike these players in the dirt...If they were the best we had at the time than so be it...Who the hell were you wanting in that role and taking up that roster spot...Name the man of get the hell off it...
Damn...You are off the edge with this crying crap...
Yes...And so is all this bitterness if the Raiders are improving...I can't freakin believe what I'm reading here...Totally un-real...
I knew the gloom was deep but damn...Let it go and enjoy the moment...Celibate life or something...
OK...Go to your happy place...
Oh! Ya! I forgot...That's where the Raiders are the worst to ever play the game...Well just too bad because it was never true and it ain't going to be that way anytime soon...
PantyRaider...Poor Me Another Raiders' Brew!!!/_
What does your character assassination have to do with Al's control of the team? Sapp was an colorful NFL player who stepped over the line a couple times. Big deal, what does that have to do with his FIRST HAND account of Al Davis' meddling?
It's the same tactic you have used on those who don't agree with the way the team is run. It's an attempt by a desperate person that have nothing else to back up their points.
Everyone in the world knows it's true, it's the root of the losing. The one time Al backed away, the Raiders WON. But it's just a coincidence, right?
JONES
Peraonally I think it's too early for hand wringing and teeth mashing.
It was just like any first preseason game. Some positive, some negative, some not sure.
We'll have a better idea after the next two weeks. With the tale of the tape coming on 12 September.
But, the defense certainly looked better out of the gate. 6 sacks, 66 yards rushing, 3 YPC. One of those sacks was by a linebacker who also had a couple of pressures according to the press, so I assume there was some blitzing.
So, next Saturday I'll sit down with a couple of beers and listen/watch. After all I need a few preseason workouts to get in shape.
Not time to panic yet.
H
Little or no blitzing. Houston got a time sack. Houston got another one. Scott was coming as a down Lineman on his sacks as was Shaunessy. It was the Man to Man, safety deep pass defense. Same scheme we have seen for 100 yrs.
I thought you and the "crew" were pimping the "new" defense, where has that gone? Now we have an offensive player stating it's the exact same offense. Huey was supposed to bring his brand of football, wasn't he? Isn't that what you and your ilk was driving all off season?
OK, so some were banking on your propaganda to be true, now in the 1st preseason game, it plainly shows nothing has changed, just some chairs. This can be very disappointing, hope in Oakland rests on CHANGE of the status quo, doesn't look that way. Could be a good to very good draft, that's the only change I see. Someone put a sleeping pill in Al's coffee on draft day.
JONES
"H"...
What did you do for a "Tail-Gate" party before or after the game...
I had to have a little "Sabi-Sabi"...Celebration Thai style...
So my girl and I went to our favorite "All you can eat" Thai style barbecue in Chanthaburi with a few friends...Great stuff...Everything from prawns to pig with all the veggies and fruit you can eat...Sushi too...But no black beer so I "Bootleg" it across the border and take it to the dinner...They don't mind and I always give them a can to try...
One of the best things is the price...119 B ea which is about $3.50...I can afford to take 4-5 out on the town on my retirement at those rates...Than it's across the street to the all night Thai style Country Music bar drinking Federbrau -n- Spy Mai Tai for the girls...
That beer is very good...Will bring a bottle back for ya if I have a place to send it when I get back...A "Black Panther" too...
http://www.federbrau.com/
PantyRaider..Luv To Celibate A "V" Even In The Preseason!!!/_
Your so full of shit...You can't break down a game and we all know it...
The damn radio announcers were calling "Deep Zone Coverage" during that scrimmage you fool...On of those tackles for a loss by Scott was when the "CowGirls" were backed-up against their own goal line and it was almost a "S"...
Go to NFL.COM and read the damn play-by-play...It's still there you damn fool...
HUH?, make some sense, what is it you are disputing? I watched the game you dope, there was little to no blitzing. Scott played D-end and LB. Safety deep, man to man 90% of the time. Waste, stop tripping over your own BS trying to "gotcha". You say you never saw the game, sit down and shut up. If you think you are so talented that you can see the intangibles from stats, sit down.
JONES
2-11-DAL 9 (14:15) 3-J.Kitna sacked at DAL 1 for -8 yards (91-T.Scott)
Dumb bastard doesn't even know when he's been had...
Hay AssHole...From over 10,000 freakin miles across the Pacific I called that Int and subsequent score before it happened...And that's all on the record here and that's something I can do regularly because I got's my head in the game...
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Blogger PantyRaider said...
2 min warning...Come'on "D"...Int time Baby!!!...Take it back for points...
PantyRaider...I'm Luv'in My Raider Football!!!/_
8:55 PM
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Blogger PantyRaider said...
Int..."TD" Raiderssss....
Just as I called it...Going the other way...
PantyRaider...Damn I'm Great!!!/_
10,000 mile away and I can see it before it happens....
17-9....
9:01 PM
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2-8-DAL 37 (1:21) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 10-M.Nichols pass short middle intended for 15-M.Johnson INTERCEPTED by 30-J.Boyd at DAL 48. 30-J.Boyd for 48 yards, TOUCHDOWN
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Now Top That Bitch...
Come-On...What's the matter...Mommy gotta powder your diaper...Bring it on Bitch...Hell I'm game...I here...I'm more than damn ready!!!...
What's the matter...Mommy put you down for your noon nap already...
PR said: "Why is you damn bitterness so eager to spike these players in the dirt...If they were the best we had at the time than so be it...Who the hell were you wanting in that role and taking up that roster spot...Name the man of get the hell off it...
Damn...You are off the edge with this crying crap..."
___________
Yikes! Translation please!?
Excuse me if I'm not jumping up and down because our reserves beat their reserves.
Listen. I not the kind of fan that goes to games and boos his team’s players for making a mistake or for not once or twice performing to an expected high level.
But watching the Raiders these last seven years may have toughened me up a bit. Frankly, I’m pissed off (and it’s time the Raiders get pissed off too). Anything less than competitive football is totally unacceptable.
I don’t think I’m alone here.
It's time to take names and kick ass.
Sam Williams is part of a losing team that has done nothing to earn his keep (except maybe that he's a nice guy).
If we can't find better players than Sam Williams to fill this roster, then I wouldn't expect the Raiders, as a team, to get any better. GET IT!
For those of you that have the capability, NFL Network is running the replay of last nights game at 1530 eastern time 1230 pacific.
I've sent a message to my DVR to record it so I can see what all the hubbub is about this weekend.
H
Hay "H"...
I don't want to ask you to do anything illegal but...When you record it if it's a small enough file could it be sent via e-mail or something...
Yo!..."NYR"...OK...I just don't understand where all that bitterness comes from...
Granted...It was the scrubs who beat the scrubs but it was 1st team "D" who slapped their much higher ranked 1st team "O" up along side the head with sacks and stopped that run attack and it was our 1st team "OL" who protected well enough to only give up one sack in the 1st 20 or so minutes of play against their 1st higher ranked "D" while running the ball well...
I just feel that merits a beer or two and I'm obliging myself...
PantyRaider...Luv That Black Brew!!!/_
"Now Top That Bitch..."
Your the top Waste. There is no way anyone can top you, you are actually over the top, over compensating, over the cliff.
You are nothing more than a troll looking for kicks. A supposedly 60 year old troll who is supposedly living it up in Thailand but is on this site ALL DAY/NIGHT. Adds nothing to the site but stupidity and ego. You suck, Waste, you really suck.
JONES
Panty,
I'm not set up for that. My DVD recoder has a bad input connector.
Email would be way too large.
Wouldn't mind doing it, but it just ain't feasible at the moment.
Speaking of beer, I gotta make a trip to the brew store and do a couple of batches for the season.
H
NYRaider,
Where on that website do you go to get the live cast? I tried to go to TV stations in San Fransissy but I couldn't figure out which one was 36 which is the one that carries the games if I read Raiders.com correctly.
H
H -
As I posted at the top of this thread, I didn't find the game on the sopcast site. Needless to say, I was very disappointed at the start of the game. So I'm embarrassed to confess I ordered the $39 preseason package from NFL.com.
Their live feed was terrible. I tried it last year for free and found the same problems. I don't think it's my system, because I recently retrofit my computer and it's well beyond the minimum system specs posted on the site.
The good thing about the NFL site is that they have archived games.
I'm pretty sure sopcast will play NFL games. They did all last year, including preseason. IMO, check it over the next few days to see if other games go up on it. If so, it's probably a better feed than NFL.com.
NYRaider,
Thanks for the info. I'll let you know what I find out.
H
The offense has a LONG ways to go but the defense is ahead of the curve. Moving Seymour inside and having Houston, Shaunnessey, and T. Scott is looking very good. The front 7 on D looks more stout at the point of attack. Until the offense get untracked, our D will need to carry us.
I think the one thing that no one has mentioned offensively is how anemic the running game looked until Michael Bennett came in. I say next time let Bennett start with the first team, and see how he does out there. Bush and McFadden may be in for some competition there.
Once Bennett starting making gains on the run (as well as Cartwright), our passing game opened up. With Bush, he couldn't do much.
I'm not sold on our offense, but that was the first pre-season game. I'll be watching with more curiosity in the next few weeks.
Go Raiders! Just Prove It, BABY!
"H"...No problem Bro...
I thought you mentioned a "PVR" like the small hand-helds that record in a different format...I have one but no TV coverage to record from...They make a small file out of it...
"NYR"...
I tried that NFL vid here last yr and it sucked...Than they only show the preseason game of the week which wasn't the Raiders...$69 for the preseason...I played hell getting my money back from the bastards...They advertise "Hi-Def" but what a farce...
RaiderNate75...
Bush was 7-31yds against the 1st team "D" which is over 4yd/carry and that's very respectable...It was a work-horse type effort with no long runs to make the stats higher so that speaks very loud to me...Had they ran the ball more his stats would have been better...
Bennett was 12-68yds with the scrub "OL" against the scrub "DL"...He did well so we have some very good depth...
Now get the combo of "Meren McBush" in there with Bennett as change of pace back and we have something difficult to stop...And the simple fact is that "OL" blocked well for those gains...Conversely look how well the Dallas "OL" blocked for a 3yd average so what does that say about our run "D"...
The "Rock" was 7-25yds just under 4ys/carry...
"CJ"...
True but with some pluses...The run blocking for one...Let's see if that trend continues...
One point that I didn't like is that they came out throwing instead of running...I expected a shot at "DHB" out the gate but they should focus on the run and than strike with the pass when the "D" plays up...
I agree with "RN75" that the pass opened up once the run was established but it take time and commitment to establish anything...That doesn't happen in one or two plays...We established that we could consistently gain better than 4yd per play with the 1st unit and than carried that threw to the 2nd-n-3rd units until they were aware that it will be run down their throats...That's when the pass opened up for us...
That's what Hue said his "O" would bring...Basically he said we will run "SmashMouth" and pass off that success...It will prolly translate into a team that starts slow but builds momentum as the front 7 wears down...Let that huge "OL" lean on them for a few series and the effects will be felt and most teams don't have the depth to play substitutions...
The key here will be that "D"...Can they hold up and keep it close so we can stay with that GamePlan....
PantyRaider...Not near As bad As It Looks!!!/_
Also as I reported before...
Campbell told reporters afterward the Raiders hadn’t gone deep into their playbook and were keeping it simple.
So I think we will see more later...Hue may want to keep it secret until that opening day Titan's game...In which case we are going to see vanilla football for the remainder of the pre-season...
What I look for is to be a run 1st team...I want to see our ability to consistently open enough space to get 4+ yds/play...That translates to "SmashMouth" and 12yds every 3 dns...Move the chains...
When the full combo of "Miren McBush" is in there we should see short dump-offs to the "RB"s as well as consistent running between and around the "OT"s -w- the occasional strike deep to intermediate to keep the "DB"s from playing up...
Than when we have that working the sky is the limit if and only if that "D" can hold ground...Rested because the "O" eats the time off the clock they should be able...
PantyRaider..That The Type Of Bland But Effective "O" I'm Expecting!!!/_
Just for the record after the smite of our "HC" without cause...
Cable: Well, you have to understand, he and Shaughnessy both are with the second nickel team, so they were going to be in there regardless. Guys wanted to make the point where they were playing all game. That really wasn’t by plan. Normally they wouldn’t be in there, with the first nickel group it would be Trevor Scott and and Kamerion Wimbley, but once we took the starters, so to speak, and started to play the second units, they’re part of that second unit, therefore they had to play a little bit.
Regarding that "OL"...
Cable: There was really not a lot of pressure other than the second drive of the game. Samson did get beat. That was a tough series of plays. I mentioned that. I didn’t like it so I put them back out there. I think prior to that and certainly after that, protection was pretty good all night.
PantyRaider...Right From The Boss' Mouth!!!/_
Run blocking was good all night as attested to by that 4.4yd ave in the run game...No "RB" does that on their own....Well except Barry Sanders-n-Bo Jackson....Maybe the Earl back when...
PantyRaider...The Evidence Is There!!!/_
Nate -
Here's what I said about Bennett.
"...if Justin Fargas can outplay Michael Bush and Darren McFadden, then so can Michael Bennett."
Bush and McFadden have been huge disappointments, but not completely by their own doing. The Raiders have demonstrated their inability to tap the strengths of these two RBs.
On another, but related topic:
During the game broadcast, one of the announcers said Hue Jackson finally had been made available to the media. When asked if he scripts his first series of plays, Jackson replied "I script my first 30 plays."
I hope he's kidding!
So does that mean the offense will make NO adjustment to the circumstances of the game until the second half?
PR said: "Run blocking was good all night as attested to by that 4.4yd ave in the run game."
Once again, the first team did not do as well. Stats are very deceiving.
As satisfied as some here seem to be with the Raiders' play, I can only hope the Raiders ARE NOT equally satisfied with their own performance. I would grade it a "C" at best, and only because the defense showed up.
Kyle Boller was the star of the offense, and he might not even make the team.
Plus, the Cowboys were coming off a nationally televised preseason game just a few days earlier. They were probably counting the minutes 'til they could just get off the field.
"NYR"...
You have a view of things the direct opposite of me...We must come from shadow universes or something...
Stats are important when viewed properly...They are strong indicators of what really happened in a game and sense I'm an engineering major it's something I connect with strongly...Now admittedly I did twist stats during that game beings it was just the scrubs and also in one post simply because that bastard is way too stupid to even know I did it...
So now lets take a look at just the 1st team...1st 4 series...And break it down from there to try to understand just what really happened in that game...
Run...Bush 7 for 31yds...
Run....Cartwright 1 for 2yds...
Pass..."JC" 7/13 for 49yds...
21 plays in 4 series...
1st Series...
Pass incomplete...
Pass 2yds..."RB" Reece...
Pass 4yds..."TE"...
Punt...
Nothing to break down because there was never an attempted run...
2nd Series...
Run Bush 1yd...
Run Bush 5yds...
Flag False Start...Shotgun Pass Formation..
Pass Incomplete....
Punt...
They should have committed to the run on 3rd-n-4 but they didn't and went in the whole and couldn't recover...Do you put that on Bush or the "OL"...Langston Walker...
3rd Series...
Pass incomplete...
Run Bush 7yds...
Pass 7yds "TE"...
Pass incomplete...
Sack loss of 9 yds...Pass formation...
Pass Bush 8yds...
Punt....
Bush accounted for 15 all purpose yds on that drive...The "TE" 7 and the "QB" loss of 9...Is there anything here you put on Bush as bad...I'd say the play calling sucked for not sticking with the run...
4th Series...
Run Bush 10yds...
Run Bush 0yds...
Pass 14yds "WR"....
Run Bush 5yds...
Pass 10yds "WR"...
Run Bush 3yds...
Run Cartwright 2yds...
Pass incomplete on 4-1 so "TO"...
Why did they pass on 4-1 is anybodies guess...The run was working well enough to go for a single yd...Again Bush accounted for 18yds on the drive...Cartwright 2yds and 2 "WR"s 24yds...Is there anything you put on Bush here while he was up against the 1st "D" which was a very good last season...
So I just don't see it...I just don't see a single issue her to take with Bush...I can see issues with the "OL" drawing flags and not getting a push to open better holes on some plays and the play calling on 4-1 but that's about it...
PantyRaider...The Stats Don't Lie Here!!!!/_
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2010081253/2010/PRE1/raiders@cowboys#analyze-channels:cat-post-playbyplay
PR says stats from our first preseason game don't lie.
Hmm. Maybe we should keep all our rookies and reserves, and cut all our vets and expensive project players.
That's what the stats tell us to do.
Screw the stats, watch the freakin game. Waste is into heavy mental masturbation, he is a fraud and a joke at the same time. A "waste" of time.
JONES
By the way, where is the "crew"? Back in the closet already? Or are they re-adjusting the "10 year plan" theory?
JONES
"NYR"...
Why twist it...The stats are there from the 1st team on 1st team...If you want to debate something get with it on the meat of whats there instead of trying to misrepresent it as regarding the entire preseason game...Show me where the failure was...I posted it to you now correct it if you dare...
Plays are scripted but not in the order they will be called....It's just a list of 1st plays they intend to run...
For instance there will be 1-2 short yardage plays on that list...They wont be called on 1st dn...There will also be 1-2 3rd-n-long plays that wont be called on 4-1...We hope...
These are the plays they practice repeatedly during the week in prep for that game...They will also practice the rest of the play book but no as devotedly...These are the plays they think will work against that opponent that week and some they will keep going back to if they work well until it's stopped....
Scripting 30 plays shouldn't be bad...Gannon had at least that many listed on his wrist strap...
PantyRaider...Dallas Had Extra Prep For That Game Because They Already Played One While It Was Our 1st -w- New "QB" -n- New "OC"...
PR -
Some "engineering major". You don't even realize your statistical sample is too small to be reliable.
What did you minor in? Science fiction?
Jones is right. Don't look at the stats, watch the game.
You want to pat the Raiders and yourself on the back for our reserves beating their reserves.
The first team offense was a page right out of 2009. It was unimaginative and ineffective.
I know it's the first preseason game, so I have no problem giving the Raiders a pass.
But you insist on posting here that the Raiders have had some breakthrough that never happened.
Just get over it already.
"Show me where the failure was...I posted it to you now correct it if you dare..."
The failure is.....NO CHANGE, just like OBUMMER. It looks exactly the same as 1979. Same D, same O, same ole same ole. THIS IS THE FAILURE. I know you can't figure that out, but this is the failure.
This what other posters have been trying to beat into your concrete head, CHANGE is needed for this team to get out of the cellar. UNDERSTAND? Only a MEATHEAD could not figure this out. But you will try like the devil...to try and put lipstick on it. Campbell and a few young players are not going to change the losing. The Raiders need to change their whole way of going about WINNING. Now go get in that closet and stay there.
JONES
Scripted plays....is NOT just plays at the top of the playbook. Scripted plays are set during the week so the players know EXACTLY what they will do in those 10-15 plays. They start the game with those plays and don't deviate unless it is a 3rd and short or red zone play. These plays are practised over and over during the week and walked through on Saturday. Waste is wrong again.
JONES
PR -
Why do you continue to clog the comments section with meaningless stats?
Common sense dictates that in the pre-season (a) both teams use vanilla packages (b) only the 1st unit vs. opponent's 1st unit is worth discussing
Think about it ... does it matter that Safety Boyd got a pick 6? Of course not since he will be hard pressed to make the team and the only time he will see the field (if at all) is as a ST performer.
If you actually watched the game you would realize that our 1st unit offense was in quick sand and our 1st unit D looked promising.
No one should make a big deal about this 1st exhibition game (good or bad). On Sept. 12th when the games actually count, both teams are playing to win, and the starters play 60:00, we will have a better read on judging the team's progress.
"No one should make a big deal about this 1st exhibition game (good or bad). On Sept. 12th when the games actually count, both teams are playing to win, and the starters play 60:00, we will have a better read on judging the team's progress."
I don't know about that. Huey was supposed to bring in a new Offense. Word is, it's the same as last/30yrs (except for the late 90's- early 2000's ). Word was, the Defense was supposed to be different, more aggressive, it didn't have that appearance at all. Same man to man, safety deep, 4 man rush. Other teams are blitzing, so it isn't because they aren't ready for it.
Fans were banking on this and it looks like it's going to be the same plan, as an organization, as the last 7/40 years. I don't know about you, to me, that is very troublesome.
As we have learned, the piece's change, but the results and gameplans are the same. From simple deduction, it doesn't look good. We know these methods do not work. Offense needs a considerable upgrade, Defense plays the same scheme, I would say there was a lot to be taken from that 1st game. Starters playing almost all of the 1st half, you can see who they want as the starters, it ain't good enough. We need change, it never happened.
JONES
I think this pretty much says it all regarding our new Run 1st "O" and what is needed consistently out of the "OL"...
– Veteran running back Rock Cartwright is hoping to stick as a reserve, but looks at the Raiders offense and thinks a lead back could do a lot of damage.
This offense allows a back to do a lot of different things. It allows him to go split out at wideout a lot, it allows him to take a lot of checkdowns and screens.
“If a back is able to stay healthy for a full season in this offense I’m sure they can put up close to 2,000 all-purpose yards.’’
Now the question is who is that back going to be...
Bush....As a wideout -w- checkdowns-n-screens???..
Bennett...I don't think there is much to discuss there...he's a nice speed back but how are his hands...His routs...
McFadden...Wideout-w-Checkdowns-n-Screen fits very damn well...Al-purpose yds are his history...
But than this is just foolish speculation on my part sense he was a wasted pick...
"CJ"...
Why do you continue to clog the comments section with meaningless stats?
What the fuck is that...Are you going to detail to me what I can post now...Too much positive in the middle of your gloom got you down...Than debate it and show where it's wrong if your so damn sure of yourself...
Look at the damn stats I posted...They were all regarding the 1st team which you now say is the only thing relevant...It's the freakin Play-by-Play of what was called and what really happened...And it was in reply to "NYR"s ridicules post trying to blame Bush for not being able to get the job done while others did better...Now that's the "BS"...The others were running against the scrubs -w- scrubs...
Fuckin here it is again...View it in reality this time...
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So now lets take a look at just the 1st team...1st 4 series...And break it down from there to try to understand just what really happened in that game...
Run...Bush 7 for 31yds...
Run....Cartwright 1 for 2yds...
Pass..."JC" 7/13 for 49yds...
21 plays in 4 series...
1st Series...
Pass incomplete...
Pass 2yds..."RB" Reece...
Pass 4yds..."TE"...
Punt...
Nothing to break down because there was never an attempted run...
2nd Series...
Run Bush 1yd...
Run Bush 5yds...
Flag False Start...Shotgun Pass Formation..
Pass Incomplete....
Punt...
They should have committed to the run on 3rd-n-4 but they didn't and went in the whole and couldn't recover...Do you put that on Bush or the "OL"...Langston Walker...
3rd Series...
Pass incomplete...
Run Bush 7yds...
Pass 7yds "TE"...
Pass incomplete...
Sack loss of 9 yds...Pass formation...
Pass Bush 8yds...
Punt....
Bush accounted for 15 all purpose yds on that drive...The "TE" 7 and the "QB" loss of 9...Is there anything here you put on Bush as bad...I'd say the play calling sucked for not sticking with the run...
4th Series...
Run Bush 10yds...
Run Bush 0yds...
Pass 14yds "WR"....
Run Bush 5yds...
Pass 10yds "WR"...
Run Bush 3yds...
Run Cartwright 2yds...
Pass incomplete on 4-1 so "TO"...
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PantyRaiders..."ChickenLittles" Can Cry But Can't Discuss Anything Positive!!!/_
Why did they pass on 4-1 is anybodies guess...The run was working well enough to go for a single yd...Again Bush accounted for 18yds on the drive...Cartwright 2yds and 2 "WR"s 24yds...Is there anything you put on Bush here while he was up against the 1st "D" which was a very good last season...
So I just don't see it...I just don't see a single issue her to take with Bush...I can see issues with the "OL" drawing flags and not getting a push to open better holes on some plays and the play calling on 4-1 but that's about it...
Damn "Blind as a Bat" doesn't even begin to describe that babbling idiot...Football "IQ" measures in reverse...(-)10,000....He couldn't be farther from the truth...
"D"...
"Deep Zone Coverage"...
"OLB" Blitz...
3yd Ave Per Rush...
6 saks In A Single Game...
"LB"s Staying In Their gaps...
"O"...
4.4yd Ave Rushing...
Slants To "RB"s...
"RB" Split Out Wide...
Yap!...Only to a blind twit would it all look the same...
Chaz Watch...At practice...
Apparently it already happened . . .Chaz Schilens comes down with Branch deflection
PantyRaider..There Is Still Hope At "WR"!!!!/_
PR -
I watched the 1st 4 series in real time with my own eyes.
The 1st unit Raider offense was inept, in quick-sand, no rhythm, bad pre-snap penalties. I could go on and on.
How is 3 consecutive 3-and-outs a positive sign? The 4th series which was late in the 1st half, had the Raiders #1s vs. Dallas' #2s. Probably a simple fact that whizzed by you.
Like I said, I'm not making a big deal about an exhibition game (good or bad).
The reason I'm annoyed at you pounding us with meaningless exhibition game stats is that is is nothing more than "spin" with no substance.
Michdaren McBush'en when healthy will dominate in that new look "SmashMouth" Run 1st throw deep "O" that Hue is about to run...
But alas have no fear...It's always the same...
PantyRaider...Ya! Right! I Got's #100!!!/_
Dammit...It was there when I looked!!!...
#101 instead...
"CJ"...
When did I post it was good or even acceptable...I question the playcalling and said they should have committed to the run...I said there was NOthing there to rag on Bush about...He was one of the few who was doing his job...
And yes there was a few substitutions on the "D" by Dallas at that time but they didn't just pull out the whole starting unit now did they...At least that's not what was happening according to the radio...
"Dallas is now starting to make substitutions on their starting "D" unit" is what I heard during that 4th series...
Those stats were in direct response to "NYR"s ridicules posting that the #1 "OL" was worst than the back-ups and the other "RB"s could do better...Now that was "BS" and this info shows that to be the case...Or are you now supporting his take that Bush was not running well and the 1st "OL" was not run blocking as well as the scrubs...
It is by comparison...1st against the 1st...Play-by-Play...Now how the hell is that irreverent...
PantyRaider...Stats Are Facts Until Successfully Disputed As Lies!!!/_
Ok, got to see the replay.
As first preseason exhibition games go it was just that, the first preseason exhibition game.
But, it did have some interesting things.
The offense had some good moments, even the starters. Would like to see what they could do without the right tackle wiping out a five yard run with a false start on the next play. Bush had some good moments and some not so good, but Dallas is supposed to have a good defense.
The fourth possession dive was pretty good and hopefully more indicative of what the offense can do. Zach Miller was, well, Zach Miller.
The defense was much improved. They were more active. Multiple formations, linebackers moved around depending on down and distance. Linebackers didn’t stand three across, five yards back like they did with SOB. Most times they were within three yards of the line on first and second down.
Running backs were met at the line. There were many stops with less than 2 yard gains. The cowgirls wound up with only a 3 yard average.
The backer on the strong side lined up just outside the DE on the tight end many times. At least once they were in a 3-4 with an LB up in the line between the DE and NT.
There were blitzes. Didn’t count them, but five were coming several times and on the interception, if my math was right, six were coming. Dallas did read the blitz fairly well so we need to disguise it a little better.
Both our rookies looked good. McClain was all over the field at one point getting from the middle of the field and making the tackle on the receiver along the sideline. Houston was hard to handle one on one. And, the burning question has been answered. Houston did use the four point stance. It will be all the rage in a few years.
The only problem with the replay the NFL Network showed was it was the Dallas feed. Usually they show the home team broadcast in one half and the visitors in the other half. You have to listen to the local Dallas homer stuff the whole game and don’t get to hear the Raider Homer stuff.
An example of this is the Dallas guys in the booth were doing the first half stats. They were actually pretty even Raiders had more yards rushing and more total yards. But when they got ot first downs the guy said “Dallas had six first down and the Raiders JUST five.” With the wording and inflection in his voice you would have thought six was at least double five. Quite humorous.
The main thing that came out of the game was our subs beat their subs.
H
One other item.
Houston did get some time late in the game with different DL alignments. I assume they are working out the rotation.
H
H summed up the game perfectly.
"The main thing that came out of the game was our subs beat their subs."
There's no reason to keep posting stats of the game. They are meaningless!!!!
PR would like us ALL to fall into his sense of false security based on a couple stats from a meaningless game. Not gonna happen. Raiders are on double secret probation until further notice.
As for Michael Bush and Darren McFadden lighting it up this year, how many years in a row do you need to keep saying that before you realize that might not happen?
Sure both players have talent. But so far their talents have been wasted by the Raiders.
I'm still trying to process the notion that Jackson says he'll script the first 30 plays. 30 plays is the entire first half.
If that's true, it begs the question, when will the Raiders learn to adjust to game circumstances on the fly?
Raiders are stuck in "KISS" mode... "keep it simple stupid".
Not a good sign for a team that's supposed to be modernizing its offense.
NYRaider,
Stats can be very misleading early in the preseason.
Offenses need to develop a rythym, which they did on the third possession.
Some sites are calling for Boller to replace Campbell already. Give me a break. You are going to determine a guys abilities on three possessions in preseason?
The Whiner game is where we will see how close we are. Both units will play into the second half. And, maybe we will have Schilens and McFadden in the mix then.
But, I was pleased with the intensity with which the defense played and the multiple fronts they used. Plus the fact that it worked.
H
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Well "H" Nobody is listening...
You just outline several really good tid-bits of positive info but all that was made out of it is...
"The main thing that came out of the game was our subs beat their subs."
Never mind that you posted fairly positive about Bush...He sucks -n- was a wasted pick...4th rd by the way...Small money I would suspect...But none the less a waste...On 2 plays he had only "0"-n-"3"yds...Cartwright had 2yds but is perceived to be better...
So now here is another stat to annoy someone...
Bush was 7 for 31 -n- 4.4yd ave overall...Take out the 2 low productive plays and stipulate that was the failure of the "OL" to open a sufficient hole and Bush was 5 for 28yds...Now that's a 5.6yd ave and damn good by any standards...
When the "OL" performed well the run was there...Had Hue stuck to the run the production may have been better...That flag would not have happened during the 2nd series and the 3rd series would not have ended with an incomplete followed by a 9yd sack and pass too short for 8yds to Bush leading to a punt...Those were the 3 wasted dns after making a 1st dn...
The "D" meanwhile is virtually ignored...Don't want to discuss something as positive as all that...Ya know the "OldMan" calls that one so no way we can give any credit in that direction...
But from my point of view thanks for the heads-up...I put tremendously more merit to your legitimate view of the game than most who have been posting here...Their dirty smeared lenses don't let them see any more that they want to see and that's just more "Doom-n-Gloom"...
PantyRaider...This Is Still The Only Negative Board I Have Seen!!!/_
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2010/8/15/1624193/raiders-o-line-nation-i-declare-we
Now that is a damn good thread where fans are debating our "OL"...Both the positive -n- the negative...Take a look or join in...I can still remember when we did that here before it became mandatory to accept as fact the gloom...
PantyRaider...Why Can't This Board Get Back To Discussing Raider Football Like before!!!/_
Panty,
All I can say at the moment is if Walker false starts as much as Green did, put Vlad the Impaler over there.
False starting on third and four is a killer.
Bush was solid, but not spectacular. Hence good and not so good.
Timing is a bit off on the deep throws, but they are close enough to be fixable.
But, every first exhibition game comes down to our subs agains their subs. Same for number four.
However, I'm pretty enthused with the movement, intensity and multiple alignments on defense.
More of the same on defense and let the starters play most of the first half next Saturday, and three quarters the next game.
Then we will have a better handle on it. But, I'm inclined to agree stats from the first game can be deceiving.
H
"H"...
The only stats I posted were as relates to the rush which is the only positive thing we had going...As you said the pass was off a bit too much....The "OL" was not entirely consistent run blocking either yet which is why I think that aspect of the game needs to be concentrated on now instead of throwing all the time trying to establish the passing game to the "WR"s...
Running is an attitude and that's an attitude of the "OL"...They need to know they can lean on a "DL" and get it done over time...
PantyRaider..."SmashMouth" Attitude Needs To be Established Now!!!/_
Looks like the problems with the passing game are deep and the passes are not...This from "J-Mac" and I follow the Twitter stuff...
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Another day, another practice session that doesn’t remind anyone of the glory days of Sid Gillman. At this point, the Kerry Collins of 2004-05 is starting to look good.
If you’ve been reading my Twitter page, it’s clear the Raiders’ passing game has left a lot to be desired more days than not.
Too may incompletions that stray too far from the target. Too many dropped passes. Too many routes cut short with receivers looking back with a surprised look on their face.
....during shorts and shells and seven-on-seven drills....good teams light it up in those situations....The Raiders are not lighting it up. The last few days, in fact, they seem to have regressed a bit. They’re certainly not any better to my untrained eye than they were a week and a half ago.
After saying all the "QB"s are hit-n-miss this is reported...
Louis Murphy makes the most impressive physical plays, but also misses a few chances at sensational chances _ missing them by a fraction _ and dropping some easy ones.
Chaz Schlilens is getting back into the mix, made a few catches Sunday, and continues to be the one receiver who makes it look smooth and easy when he is healthy and feeling good.
Either the Raiders start making some serious progress in a short period of time, or expect this year’s M.O. to be a team that relies on running the ball, playing defense and throwing sparingly until they join a where most teams live by the pass.
I think that says it all..And that's exactly why I'm pimping the Rushing and throwing to the backs -n- "TE" until the vertical games opens up...Otherwise we will be what we were last season with the "D" dictating to us what we can do...Nothing at all...
PantyRaider...At Least The "D" Is Looking Good!!!/_
Time To Come To Grips With Who We Are -n- Who We Are Not...
We may not be a legitimate vertical passing team until sometime around mid season…Realistically it may take that long or longer to get this squad up to speed in that area…
Chaz is the man if healthy…Murphy is decent support…Miller/Ford w “DHB” can stretch the "D"s and open things up underneath while maybe drawing away the double team to set Chaz-n-Murphy free….But to imagine we will open this season as any resemblance of a polished passing attack is a bit foolish in my book…Not with that project in front of them…That “OL”…
That's why I'm calling for run-run-run and dump it off quickly to the backs -n- "TE"s to build a legitimate rhythm -n- confidence in this "O"...
Than only after establishing that as an identity should we go vertical and than with the play-action -n- pump-fake short to slow the "DL" pursuit and draw the attention of the "DB"s so a "WR" can get separation for a completed pass...
And this is something that needs to be practiced now instead of wasting the entire preseason throwing deep balls like we did last season...We knew we could run until it was time to do it and found out we could not and were stuck with airing passes off target in an inept "O" that could not heal...
PantyRaider...Fear Of Yesterday Is Haunting!!!/_
Run, run and dump? Chaz is "the man?" So you mean it "might" be a "bit" premature to declare that DHB is poised to join the "select group" of Branch, Biletnikoff, Brown and Rice, to name a few?
Then again, to quote H, what else was the organization supposed to say?
After all, only underachievers need their own press release comparing themselves to the legends, right?
Quick, someone retroactively draft a press release comparing LaMont Jordan to Bo Jackson! And Schweigart, too. Isn't he the next Jack Tatum? Imagine all the press releases we could draft.
Eric Frampton is the next...What position did he play?
Of course, it has nothing to do with DHB's draft position. No, that's just a coincidence.
"NYR"...
That really all you got's...Some more negative crap riding "DeadHorse"s -w- new saddles...
Hell...That's not even worth the bullet to shoot it down so I will just save the ammo...Meanwhile..
"MuleHead"s appear one dimensional at best...
They can't run and they can't stop the run either...Cincy ran it down their throats...No stats for Fargas...
"O" gained...
Rush...15 for 36yds...2.4ave...
"D" gave up...
40 for 191yds -n- 4.8 ave....
But of course these stats are worthless so no sense in debating whether the Raiders "D" should go to the "BigNickle" against a team like Denver -w- "MM" as the extra "S" in a "4-2-5" alignment to take away the threat of the pass and force them into their weakness running the ball so I just wont bother posting that.....
PantyRaider...WoW!...These Limitations Are So Burdensome!!!/_
Positive Injury Reports...
Rookie "RB" Stafon Johnson is prolley out for the season so that's one back we wont have to face opening day...
The Cardinals' official Web site reported that Fitzgerald has a sprain of the medial collateral ligament in his knee and is expected to be OK for the Sept. 12 season opener so let's wait -n- see how it's holding up for our 3rd game of the season...
PantyRaider...Bad For Them Is Potentially Good For Our "D"!!!/_
Ok, color me confused.
Until now most of the reports coming out of camp, including Jerry MacDonald’s, were talking about how improved they were. Now, it’s not only not the case, but hasn’t been the whole camp?
Has the media been guilty of some sort of “bait and switch,” or are they now hedging their bets based on a handful of plays in the first exhibition game?
Just asking.
H
Take,
You sure you don't mean Peter Frampton?
H
Look, we didn't light Dallas up like and HGTV Christmas decoration special, but let's not declare the season lost based on about 20 offensive plays in the first preseason game.
Like it or not, there were some positives in the game.
H
PR said:
"NYR"...
That really all you got's...Some more negative crap riding "DeadHorse"s -w- new saddles...
"H"...
The only stats I posted were as relates to the rush which is the only positive thing we had going..."
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You mean, besides D stats (for both teams), game stats, play-by-play stats (twice!), etc....
This site has become the PantyRaider propaganda site.
PR complains about all the “dead horses” but he doesn’t get that he is mostly responsible for the discussion here (and the degradation thereof). He represents about 70% of the posts and 80% of the content on this board (as many as 8 posts in a row on this thread alone).
It's become his full-time job to ram all this BS down our throat, and if we don’t agree with him we are labeled a “dead horse.”
The statements above are indicative of his entire spiel. No rhyme or reason, just childish BS.
“But, H, I didn’t post what you see above repeated 10 times.”
Hey, PR, why not let us form our own opinions!
To answer your question, it might be the Raiders riding dead horses with “new saddles”, not me. However, UNLIKE YOU, I’m willing to reserve my final judgement on that one, i.e., at least until they've actually played a meaningful game.
NYRaider,
I am actually looking at the Whiner game as somewhat “meaningful.” Two teams working to improve, cross bay rivals, bragging rights and, don’t forget, payback for that scrimmage fiasco last year.
It’s probably the wrong thing to do, but I think Cable is going to take that game very seriously. Yes, I know you should take every game “seriously,” but this one doesn’t count in the standings. Plus, he needs to get these guys to start getting their attitude straight for the opener.
Now, how many time have I ‘gotta say this. It’s not dead horses anymore. According to Cable, it’s dead dogs.
Bring on Duh Bears.
H
Quick shoutout to Blanda. Hope things are going well.
H
One more quick note.
I looked at the tape again through Campbells last series.
On the defensive side, the sack of Kitna on the goal line and the subsequent making them punt from the end zone. According to the Dallas anouncers the first team O-Line was still in the game for that series.
Just more food for thought.
H
I watched some of the game again, with the Dallas feed. It's always interesting to hear other teams' analysts talk about the Raiders.
They commented after Romo scrambled from the pocket for several yards that the Raiders play a lot of "man" coverage, thus, typically play with their backs turned to the QB. That's how broken plays turn into positive yardage.
This remains a critical issue for the Raiders. Zone coverage not only could correct this issue but improve the Raiders’ turnover ratio, which can be the difference between winning and losing.
The Raiders don't have to be the most predictable team in the NFL.
Reading today's camp updates, the word from this past weekend seems to be deterioration in the passing game. WRs dropping balls; QBs missing targets. It sounds pretty ugly.
J-Mac reports that DHB disappears for long periods... I guess just as he does in games.
Will the Raiders be teaching this kid how to run routes and catch balls?
If he's going to be out there as a starter, he should be getting the most work... commensurate with his need to learn and get better.
"NYR"...
My bad...I'm so use to answering your carp that when I saw something from "RT" of the same sort of crap I just projected it as yours...But glad you got the chance to complain anyway...And all that play-by-play -n- 1-4 series stats of the "O"-n-"D" were of the 1st unit so just shove-it baby...
And yes I'm responsible for prolley 60-70% of the positive post on this board while you are responsible for at least the same percentage of the "Neg"s so congrats you habitual crier..I'm in laughter...And also congrats for posting the same damn material that I already posted but with your typical full-on negative review...At least I posted a beneficial aspect in compensation instead of just throwing in the towel like your already willing to do...
"RT"...
That was directed at you not your shadow...
"H"....
That's the same way the game was called on the radio...Than later it was said that they had started to make substitutions on the "D"...But our 1st 5 sacks were against their starting "OL" unit and Romo...We only had one with the scrubs...But of course that's never the way it will get reported here...Always twisted to support that "Neg"....
PantyRaider...No Matter How Positive I Post It Will Always Be Twisted into A "Nag" By Design!!!/_
"BR"...
I 2nd the shout-out...I miss your positive feeds around here in the "Swamp of Despair"...
"H"...
Never trust a "Mediot"...I have been reading all those Twitter pages day by day and than when it fails in a game they blaze a trail to abandon ship...But if it should float up this week they will write like they were always here...NOT!!!...
"J-Mac" might be better than most but his check is still signed by a "Rag" that doesn't support Al Davis or his Raiders...
And 21 plays in the preseason are not worthy of me posting their stats but they are damn sure worthy of slamming the team because of the failure of the passing game...Go figure...As long as it's a "Neg" it's acceptable but don't clog up this board with meaningless stats of a positive reflection...
That point is now very damn clear...
Now comes the "PantyRaider" Proclamation:
PantyRaider...I'm Positively Going To Shove Every Damn Positive I Can Discover Down Your Collective Negative Throats!!!/_
Time to force-feed this damn board!!!/_
H said...
Ok, color me confused.
I colored you that long ago. You don't know whether to believe the press or not. You don't know if you are the chain yanker or not. You don't know if you are the insulting guy or not. Another words, you don't have a clue.
You just follow the flow of the "crew" and claim not to really care ( something about your sphincter). You are full of contradictions, thus your confusion.
What the press see's is the same ole, same ole. Change that you and the "crew" pimped all off season (again) never happened. There was no 3 year plan, no 10 year plan. Gruden and Allen didn't mess up the team so that it affects todays team. It's the same plan as it was in 1987, 1995, 2003-today. Thing is, your dreamy misconceptions of how the Raiders operate makes you unable to see this.
Those who have a freakin brain and can recognize the problems that cripple this Org, they are dismissed by you and your "crew" because???? That is still the mystery, why are there still people like you that continue to pimp this OBVIOUS failure to turn it around.
How can people be so fooled, so often? The only way it changes is by the FANS coming together and showing Al Davis that 100% of us want a NEW DIRECTION. Wallowing in this time warp is just insane, those who pimp this time warp are just as insane.
Enough with the DHB comparisons to former greats. Enough of the comparison of Campbell to Plunkett. Enough of comparing todays team to that of 1980. Enough of trying to recreate the defenses of the 70's, it's all freakin CRAZY. One suggestion to those who continue in this time warp...WAKE TFU.
JONES
Ah, typical Jonesy. Glad you miss me.
NYRaider,
Yes, but they also called a couple of the sacks "coverage" sacks when the pocket collapsed in less than three seconds.
I remember that play. That was one of the few where "Die Hard" McClain was out of position and the middle was left open.
I've also seen quarterbacks scramble for first downs like that against teams that run exclusively zone coverage.
Most of the area in the middle that close to the line of scrimmage is the primary responsibility of he linebackers.
But, what about three yards per carry? Or only 66 yards from a defense that was giving up around 150 last season.
What about a MLB that stood his ground and got in front of backs instead of chasing them down from behind. Or a couple of plays where he took on a double team and didn't move.
What about a rookie DE that got two sacks against a playoff caliber OL?
What about a pass in Nnamdi's direction and by the time the pass got there he was in front of the receiver who then had to play defense to keep Nnamdi from intercepting.
What about stringing out screen passes that were run out of bounds after a short gain when last season they went for 15?
What about running plays that were stuffed even when they brought in extra tackles to block? Number 77 was anounced as eligible all game long.
What about the red zone defense?
Even when you ignore the numbers, there was way more positive than negative on the defense in that game.
H
H, PR, RT, the news from the doctor was all good. No worries.
Before going on my doctors excursions last week, I mentioned that this was the time in camp where things start hitting walls. And it appears that the offense, after growing considerably, has begun to hit a wall.
We know the quality we have in Campbell. We've also seen what Gradkowski is capable of, and he has yet to crank it up this off season.
I currently have no worries. The defense, from 1st team to 3rd team, all played very well. Now the offense has to catch up. In 2006, the offense could never catch up with the defense, and didn't all season. However, I believe this offense knows what the promised land looks like and will find their way there.
NYR said:
"This remains a critical issue for the Raiders. Zone coverage not only could correct this issue but improve the Raiders’ turnover ratio, which can be the difference between winning and losing."
Well, it is very obvious by this 1st game that the Raiders scheme is exactly the same as it was. Most of us KNOW the reason for this, it's that guy, you know who. It isn't going to change unless Al says it will, doesn't look like he is going to say so.
There are other critical issues, O-line, QB, the HC is an O-line coach, the O.C. is a QB coach who was brought in to save Russell but now just becomes another puppet to the guy upstairs.
Nothing changed from last year, every year we hear the same crap. Every year we have the same "crew" falling for it. They even pimp it as FACT and ridicule those who see right through it.
The "crew" is a joke, the Raiders will continue to be a joke as they continue this path. I mean, WTF is it going to take before the Org can figure out that this method DOESN'T WORK? It's freakin INSANE.
JONES
Hey Fantasy Boy -
Nobody is posting stats to support negativity about the passing game. We watched the game. Did you?
And what about all the negativity coming from "Raider-friendly" blogs about the practices this past weekend... how the WRs couldn't catch, or the QBs couldn't find their targets?
How 'bout shedding some light on that for us?
Just another day in fantasy land. Do you whistle why you type?
H said...
Ah, typical Jonesy. Glad you miss me.
Damn, you are rolling over like the whupped dog you are. Tell me I'm wrong, go ahead, tell me I'm wrong. A real intellectual would be able to refute what I wrote, a fake one just rolls over, good doggie.
JONES
JONES, it's good to know you're still an idiot.
Making judgments on what the team is planning on offense or defense for the first preseason game is a fools errand.
You're sitting there, looking at that first game, and saying "That's it? That's all you got?" Since when does the first preseason game show anyone anything but how some of the rookies are progressing?
But, HEY! JONES has the whole season mapped out, based on that game that is purposely designed to not show anybody anything.
H -
I'm not saying our D didn't do a good job. Clearly, they did.
I'm just agreeing with a point that I've made before on this board. Man coverages tend to face the player, and away from the QB. Zone coverage tend to react better to the QB. This is probably why the Raiders do so poorly in takeaways. And takeaways can win or lose games.
Chaz is back at practice...All is saved...We'll have our #1 against da Bears...
Their "D" was annihilated by "SD"s running attack...Now as I remember "SD" was not so good at running last season...31st...So we should have a field-day I suppose if we commit to run the ball...We are now the #8 rushing "O"...
"SD" also beat them with the pass...Well OK!...We now have the #17 passing "O"...
As a matter of FACT we are the #10 "O" this season and have the #9 "D" in the whole damn NFL...
And they said it couldn't be turned around in only one season and never by the "OldMan"....
PantyRaider...What The hell Do they Know!!!/_
Do you whistle why you type?
NO..I don't know that one...
I post the other board where I post frequently and it's a damn good mix but basically with a positive connotation...So when we see the weakness in the passing game we all celibate the strength in the running game as an offset and post about what can be done to enhance our chances...ya know like use to happen on this board before it was engulfed by the "Doom-n-Gloom" that your now so comfortable with...
PantyRaider...That One Didn't Stick!!!/_
"Making judgments on what the team is planning on offense or defense for the first preseason game is a fools errand."
BR, that goes both ways. In your absence, we've been bombarded with game stats and echoes of revelation that the Raiders are back!
Needless to say, this has caused unnecessary separation of opinions about the first preseason game.
I think most of us can agree it was pretty meaningless. Yet, it leaves some of us with an empty glass to see how little the offense appears to have progressed.
The D showed notable improvement in personnel.
The O, nothing... again, despite the bombardment of stats.
Hey, we're mostly adults here. I think change, should it occur, will be evident... and it will come from meaningful games, not the preseason.
Nobody should be shouting doom and gloom this time of year. You hold that for the end of the preseason if nothing appears to be coming together. But even positives at that time can be misleading.
During all of those years of Raider success, their preseasons weren't anything to crow about. They typically split their games between Ws and Ls and showed many mistakes. But that's what the preseason is for, isn't it. That philosophy is still dominant with the Raiders. That's how you explain going for it on fourth down in the 2nd quarter instead of kicking a field goal in a game that you trail by only 10 points.
As for Raider receivers, they seem a bit confused at the moment, which I think is largely due to the fact that injuries have prevented the same projected starters from practicing every day.
But the positive news is that Schilens is finally back, and Miller Light is picking up where he left off last preseason. DHB was only at the receiving end of one pass, which was broken up by a good defensive play. We'll find out if he has truly progressed in subsequent games.
But it's a little amazing to me to see how a few have completely given up the season because the passing game didn't go well in practice so far this week.
Ya!...The stats are meaningless except to try to prove that there were NO improvements in that "O"..
Well what was our ave per rush last season...Venture a guess...We were #21 -w- a 4.1 ave...Ya want to wager whether we are better this season...If your so sure of yourself...I'm damn sure positive about myself...I will wager that we are well above the #21 rushing "O" this season...In fact I will put us in the top 10...
Now where is your voice...
Passing...#29 -w- ave per pass 5.9yds...52.6% complete...
Hell we're at 5.8yd per play ave now and 56% complete...
I will also wager we are way above the 329 passing "O" this season...
PantyRaider...Any Takers!!!/_
#29 passing "O"...
"JC" was 7/13 passing...That's 53.8% as a failure...
"BR"...
Hell they were trying to give up the season prior to the draft...Than when that appeared to have gone well they were just sitting on the edge of the chair waiting for something they could hang their hats on as prof that the "OldMan" can't get it done...
So no matter how small of a gain is made the consensus will be that nothing has changed and it's all the same losing ways...
PantyRaider...So I Laugh As I Post That Positive "CRAP" In Their faces!!!/_
Hell...They can't even dispute it with anything legitimate even as bad a showing as that 1st game was...And it was simply because of the piss poor play calling of pass happy "O"...
NO "TO"s....Well except for going for a 4-1 with that damn dumb pass...I guess that constitutes a "TO"...Than there was that missed "FG" by that scrub...
Only one sack in the game....Not sufficient to point at as any form of a gain because we also had one false start with the 1st team...
4.4 yd ave running but that was just Bush and he was a wasted pick in the 4th rd...
Did I miss something...
This from JMack:
"– If the Raiders had made Hue Jackson available at some point in the last 200 days, it would have been all hearts and flowers. Now everyone will want to know what’s wrong with his offense."
And that's why they didn't. In the first 200 days there wasn't anything to praise him for. Now that folks want to blame him for something, there isn't anything to blame him for.
Last Thursday we had the very first preseason game of the season with a new QB, one projected starting RB sidelined, and a starting receiver sidelined. And the offense started sluggishly - big whopping surprise!
However, the defense played very well and kept a team that had one extra week of practice out of the end zone. This weekend, in practice, a QB who has shown accuracy through his career made some inaccurate throws, and the receivers have dropped a couple while wondering who's running with the first unit, the second, etc.
I expect to see the defense continue to grow, and the offense work out some bugs against Chicago. A win is unimportant, because it does amount to anything. I expect to see Gradkowski for the first time this season, but I don't expect him to be sharp. I expect him to be a bit rusty.
And the stats keep pouring in.
We were told earlier that only rushing stats were posted... which wasn't true. Now, we're bomdarded with passing stats too.
Clearly, the stats tell us everything we need to know.
"I think change, should it occur, will be evident... and it will come from meaningful games, not the preseason"
Wrong, if there is change you would see the team doing it for preperation to the season right now. What are we seeing? Same Defenseive scheme that has been exploited for years now. You could have very good players at all positions and teams could still exploit it. I think many don't and/or can't understand this. It's not a solid game plan, it's outdated and easily exploited.
As testified by a RB, the Offense is the same one since he has been here. But we were sold on the new O guru Huey, which has turned out to be just another guy calling the same Offense.
Why do the Raiders continue to try and shove old time football down the rest of the league's throat? It's total arrogance, total denial, total self delusion. These very same attributes can be attributed to the "crew". Kind of strange, huh?
This is what is so wrong with just 1 preseason game, it looks just like Art 2, Kiffin, Turner, Bugel, White.... it's the same carbon copy. Now can we all agree that playing with this design, it has proven to FAIL? The one time the Raiders deviated from this design, they became a good team, coincidence?
It's time to understand what you are looking at and the odds of it working. It should be clear as day by now, that's why looking at the 1st Pregame is so easy to see it. Oh well, people can never figure things out and that's why we have such a screwed up world. Those who fail to learn from history.......it's going to repeat.
JONES
Here's something else I haven't seen considered.
If you asked the Raiders who they'd most like to play for their first game of the regular season, they would likely tell you either SD, Denver or KC. The reason is that they have a long understanding of what these teams do both offensively and defensively. It is easiest to prepare for one of those teams to start the season when there is little scouting information to be had on anyone else.
Papa said during the broadcast that he'd talked about game planning with Hue Jackson. He asked Jackson about scripting plays to start the game, noting that someone like Shanahan likes to script the first 15 plays.
Jackson said he wanted to script the first 30 plays. While this takes the offense well into the 2nd quarter, it gives him a good idea of what will actually work and what won't.
If you take note of the game last Thursday, you note that the first 30 plays were basically ineffective. That makes sense. Jackson really had no idea what to expect from the Dallas Cowboys. However, once past those 30 plays, Jackson had a better handle on not only what was working, but what Dallas was trying to do. And the offense, with Campbell apparently playing better, then Boller replacing him and moving the ball, Jackson was effective in his play calling.
I think doom and gloom at this point is completely unwarranted. How would you feel as a Dallas Cowboys fan, expecting the Super Bowl this year, but unable to find the end zone through TWO preseason games.
A weekend of dropsies is not a worry. It appears to me we are on track and on schedule.
Then there comes the question of what game JONES actually watched on Thursday.
What was different on offense?
Screens, screens, and more screens. Answering last season's question of "Will they ever throw a screen pass?" Also, sweeps were far more prevalent than in the past. They actually also attempted at least one long pass per quarter. They promised that last season, but didn't deliver.
Still, the first preseason game is also the most basic offense that you run all season. The purpose is simply to get your players acclimated to game day and to see what the rookies and free agents can deliver in game situations.
What was new on defense?
Nnamdi roaming. Scott turning up in various locations. Shaughnessy spending time in the offensive backfield, and Houston showing him the way. This is because we now have LBs who fill gaps.
But still, the defense is fairly similar to last year's (at least so far). But what difference does that actually make if the players on this unit can fulfill their assignments. They couldn't last year, but this year they apparently do.
One more thing to point out. Even the refs were rusty.
Their attempt to rob Miller of his TD failed. The way to fool the crowd on that one was to claim that Miller didn't have full possession when he went out of bounds, not that he didn't have both feet in. But the refs will get better at this as the season goes on. They always do. They are brilliant by the time we get to the playoffs (see "Tuck Rule").
NYR, I'm catching up on what I missed. I saw this...
"'The point is there damn sure would have been takers for the services of Seymour and you didn't quit in time if you think otherwise....'
"What other takers?
"Name any. There was plenty of media coverage before and after the trade. Find one media report citing another interested team willing to spend a #1 pick, or accept the fact the Raiders were the only team willing to pay above market price."
No. There was no media coverage before or after the trade. The trade was a complete surprise to Seymour and everyone else, which was why it took so long for him to get out here. Reports that he didn't want to play for the Raiders or Al Davis were completely made up (as reported by Seymour - and he's made several recent statements that he's very happy to be here).
The trade was only offered to the Raiders after the Patriots called Davis and asked if he'd be interested. But there is no doubt that if Davis had turned down the offer, it would have been offered to someone else who would have taken it.
Seymour played out of position last season and played without the benefit of having a training camp with the Raiders. Still, he went a long way to improving our defense in general. Seymour was worth that trade, and will be one of the reasons that our defense is radically improved this year.
"As testified by a RB, the Offense is the same one since he has been here."
It was Michael Bush, and I believe there's a direct quote floating around on this thread.
I guess I am working off the benefit of the doubt that the Raiders might improve on offense, simply by virtue of losing Russell.
However, the signs are not good so far... despite all the stats posted here.
BR said:
"No. There was no media coverage before or after the [Seymour] trade."
NYR: So, there was no media coverage after the trade either? How did we find out about it?
BR said: "Reports that he didn't want to play for the Raiders or Al Davis were completely made up (as reported by Seymour - and he's made several recent statements that he's very happy to be here).
NYR: What do expect him to say? So what was his mysterous holdout for? And he had no problem going from a playoff contender to the worst team over 7 years without any increase in pay? It must be tough making this stuff up.
My theory is he needed intense consoling.
BR said: "The trade was only offered to the Raiders after the Patriots called Davis and asked if he'd be interested. But there is no doubt that if Davis had turned down the offer, it would have been offered to someone else who would have taken it."
NYR: Yikes! As if the Pats haven't already taken Davis for enough!
I find it hard to believe that neither team is working under free market conditions.
In summary, this is just more speculation and conjecture to go with what has already been posted.
Uncle!
Okay, NY, so your position is, it doesn't matter what Seymour actually says, YOU KNOW what's on his mind. Well, there's really no arguing with that, is there.
Hey, everyone. From now on, NYR will report what the players really think.
If you'll remember, however, Seymour said that the trade was a complete surprise, that he knew nothing about it until it was done, and every indication he had from the Patriots was that he was coming back. He said after he was informed of the trade he needed to figure out what he was going to do with his family and housing issues. But according to NYR, that was just so much smoke so he could figure out a way to avoid the trade. I guess we know this because someone on a blog post said it was likely and we're required to always believe whatever is the most negative.
And what ever made you believe that the NFL work under free market conditions. Um, excuse me, but haven't they had an exemption these past many years? Isn't that one of the things that Al Davis attacked in his law suit against the NFL? Well, I guess if you live in a vacuum where history and facts don't matter as long as the news is negative...
Oh, and about any quote by Michael Bush complaining that the offense is just like last season - I can't find any such quote. Point to where.
But aside from that, it wouldn't surprise me at all if Bush did say the offense was pretty close to the same thing.
I believe that Cable said sometime during the off season that Hue Jackson coming in did not mark a change in the offensive philosophy - that they would just run it better, and add a few more wrinkles.
It's too bad folks around here have taken up the idea that whatever comes out of Raider HQ is a lie. If you didn't believe that, you might have caught that tidbit in the off season.
"Clearly, the stats tell us everything we need to know."
NYR, I haven't quoted you a single stat. In fact, I argued with you once where I took the position that "stats are for losers." I argued that while they did reveal certain patterns, they didn't tell a complete story. I recall you taking the opposite position.
The fact is, the Raiders are famous for ignoring stats. Their greatest pride in their early years was that their stats would be awful, but they'd beat you anyway. It really used to piss off opposing teams.
In spite of Campbell completing better than 50 percent of his passes, one could easily tell that he was ineffective early on. While Bush was gaining an average of 4.4 yards, it wasn't doing us any good because the passing game wasn't clicking enough to get first downs. Things changed as the game wore on.
Just as things will change as the preseason wears on.
BR said:
"Okay, NY, so your position is, it doesn't matter what Seymour actually says, YOU KNOW what's on his mind."
"Hey, everyone. From now on, NYR will report what the players really think."
Are you listening to yourself?
That's exactly what you're doing by telling us the inner workings of the deal between the two clubs.
I'm merely applying logic, based on Seymour's extended absence upon finding out he was traded (a complete surprise as you said), that he may have needed consoling. I think I said "intense consoling." Yes, I'm sure I said that.
"Free market" meaning why would the Pats ONLY deal with the Raiders if they thought they could get more elsewhere?
I bet I know why. Because the Raiders have proven to be an easy target for the Pats.
BR said: I believe that Cable said sometime during the off season that Hue Jackson coming in did not mark a change in the offensive philosophy"
And that makes it ok? The worst "offense for dummies" in the NFL (here's where somebody tries to prove me wrong with bogus stats), and we're not going to change it? Wow! We are doomed!
BR said: "NYR, I haven't quoted you a single stat."
...followed by...
"In spite of Campbell completing better than 50 percent of his passes....
and
"While Bush was gaining an average of 4.4 yards...."
Here come the stats.
Oh, and here is the Michael Bush quote (but I'm sure you can twist this into a sign of change):
"Not too much of it has changed," running back Michael Bush said. "The only thing I can think of is maybe coach might run the ball more or something like that. But as far as plays, not much has changed."
Paint this as you may, but deep down inside, we all know Jones has a good point. How many different shades of lipstick can we put on a pig.
If the Raiders offense hasn't changed, as Michael Bush clearly expresses, than why should we believe it will improve? Oh, other than the fact that we dumped JaMarcus Russell.
Personally, I don't believe Campbell gives us a better chance to win than Gradkowski would. I would rather see an open competition between these guys and Kyle Boller, than to have Campbell be handed the job... as it's clear he has.
No, NYR, don't give me the "quote." Give me where you got the quote so I can decide the context and the time it was given. Hanging quotes mean absolutely nothing.
You have positively become unhinged. The Raiders, New England, Cable and Seymour himself all told everyone how the trade went down. And they reported it exactly as I did. But you tell me that you saw how everything unfolded and you figured out your own story. Sorry, but that definately won't wash.
Let's deal with established stories, not ones you make up.
"Paint this as you may, but deep down inside, we all know Jones has a good point. How many different shades of lipstick can we put on a pig."
Correction. JONES has never made a point.
And while we're at it, let's review the notion that Al Davis is NE's bitch.
As memory serves, we've had three trades with NE over recent years. We had the trade that sent Gabriel to NE for a 5th round draft choice. We had the trade that sent Moss to NE for a 4th round draft choice. And we had the trade that brought us Seymour for a 1st round draft choice in 2011.
Well, in 2006 NE released Gabriel three quarters of the way through the season, and Gabriel was back with the team by season's end. And we got to keep the 5th rounder. Essentially we got a 5th rounder for renting Gabriel for part of the season.
As for Moss, nobody was making any offers after his performance in 2006, and the Raiders made it VERY clear they were in a trading mood. An offer for a 4th round pick on draft day was likely the absolute best we were going to do. And there was no question that for the Raiders, Moss wasn't going to be any better in 2007 than he was in 2006. It was a premium case of addition by subtraction. Whatever NE got out of Moss is irrelevant. He wouldn't have done the same for us.
According to you, those two trades make Al Davis NE's sex toy, and Seymour is the same material. Odd view.
I believe Jones' point is that the Raiders have not changed. I added the lipstick.
It was Steve Corkran that quoted Michael Bush. Is he not a credible source now?
And what would you expect the Raiders to say about Seymour? That he doesn't want to play for them? Ouch!
BR said: "NYR, I haven't quoted you a single stat."
...followed by...
And, NY, here's what I said...
"Clearly, the stats tell us everything we need to know."
NYR, I haven't quoted you a single stat. In fact, I argued with you once where I took the position that "stats are for losers." I argued that while they did reveal certain patterns, they didn't tell a complete story. I recall you taking the opposite position.
The fact is, the Raiders are famous for ignoring stats. Their greatest pride in their early years was that their stats would be awful, but they'd beat you anyway. It really used to piss off opposing teams.
In spite of Campbell completing better than 50 percent of his passes, one could easily tell that he was ineffective early on. While Bush was gaining an average of 4.4 yards, it wasn't doing us any good because the passing game wasn't clicking enough to get first downs. Things changed as the game wore on.
And here's how you responded to it.
"'In spite of Campbell completing better than 50 percent of his passes....'
"and
"'While Bush was gaining an average of 4.4 yards....'
"Here come the stats."
Now, you see how you can make someone appear to say the exact opposite of what they said? But that's a pretty decent example of how you and JONES like to argue.
Sorry, it appears I didn't get your whole quote in there.
Here it is.
BR said: "NYR, I haven't quoted you a single stat."
...followed by...
"In spite of Campbell completing better than 50 percent of his passes....
and
"While Bush was gaining an average of 4.4 yards...."
Here come the stats.
BR - have you selectively forgotten that Oakland traded their two-time Pro Bowl DE to NE for a 3rd & 5th round draft picks(late rounds due to NE's record)?
We pay them a 1st round pick for Seymour.
They give us a 4th rounder for Moss, and a 3rd and 5th for our two-time Pro Bowl DE.
At least the Pats were smart enough to recognize Gabriel's lack of WR skills. Of course, we brought Gabriel right back to play for us.
Sad as that is, I'd take Gabriel over DHB right now.
So I found it odd that you would state you haven't posted stats in the very same entry that you post stats. LOL.
H - in between Blanda's one-two punch combination, I have another free site for you (and others) to try and get the Raiders preseason games.
http://atdhe.net/watchtv.html
I'm pretty sure this is what I used last year.
Aw, yes, Burgess. They guy who played really good for us one year, and then completely disappeared for the next two. I think we were fairly lucky to get anything for him at all. I think we're far better off with Shaughnessy.
And if you'll note from my post, I was making the point that stats AREN'T important. The same point you were trying to make to PR earlier. So, in other words, I was helping you and you bit my hand.
Starts are only important to reveal team tendencies. They don't base winning or losing on statistics. What's on the scoreboard is all that counts at the end of the game.
I was making the point that even though the stats were positive, they didn't reveal the weakness the team was exposing.
But I also made the point that Hue Jackson hasn't called a game in some 15 years, is likely a little rusty at it, and he was significantly improved as the game wore on.
There is a lot of information to learn from the game on Thursday. How the Raiders will ultimately fare in 2010 isn't one of them.
I have this nagging feeling that Veldeer will become a starter this season. But not at T or G. At Center. He's very tall, but only an inch taller than Mosebar was, and he's short legged, which makes his height less of a disadvantage.
The Raiders need to start paying better attention to those types of physical aspects. It seems to me that the reason Gallery struggled at T was because his wingspan is too short for the position. But he's nearly a pro bowler now at LG.
One of the things I was excited to learn last week was that Biekert is McClain's coach in camp. I didn't know before that that they had brought Biekert aboard. Biekert was a thinking man's MLB. He'll be good for McClain.
BR -
"[Valdheer is] very tall, but only an inch taller than Mosebar was...."
You ragged on me for suggesting Valdheer might be the tallest center by suggesting Mosbar was the same height. Hmm.
If we're to believe Cable, then Valdheer is not ready to start.
Regarding the Russell issue, it appears that there is a lack of information that the media has used to form some very hardened opinions.
Apparently Russell FAILED his first drug test with the Raiders. I suspect that might have had something to do with the time it took for him to get signed. I imagine the Raiders were seeking some assurances that this wasn't going to be an ongoing problem.
Russell apparently told them that the codeine in his system was prescription. Frankly I think he likely remained clean through his first two seasons, but went back on it when his uncle died.
It is also possible that the Raiders put something in his contract to be able to get money back if it was determined he was on drugs, which may explain the Raiders claim after he was released.
Why don't the Raiders just tell us all of that? They are not allowed to under league rules. Under the rules, your first drug offense goes unreported to the rest of the league and to the public. It is kept under wraps to give the player a chance to recover without the prying eyes of a microscope.
According to Cable, Veldeer is NOT YET ready to start. That doesn't mean he won't be by the end of preseason. I'm still betting he becomes a starter before the fifth game of the season.
NYR, when you get past 6'5" I don't see much difference between 6'7" and 6'8". Do you?
"NYR, when you get past 6'5" I don't see much difference between 6'7" and 6'8". Do you?"
I heard Mosbar was listed at 6'6". You certainly felt the need to correct me when I originally posted that Valdheer might be taller. Quite frankly, that doesn't change the simple fact that most centers are considerably shorter than Valdheer. Mosbar was an exceptional player. It will take similar extraordinary conditions for Valdheer to succeed at center.
As for Valdheer starting anywhere on the line, it's a reach, but it would be refreshing to see anyone on the Raiders O-line get displaced by someone that could outplay them. Such an event is long overdue!
As I've said before. Veldeer didn't give up one sack in college until he gave up one in an All Star game after his senior year. He will be a starter. It's just a question of when.
BR - you had me dig out the quote from Michael Bush that the Raiders have made virtually no changes to their offense.
Are you now going to brush it aside ...perhaps because it's not what you want to hear?
The quoted source is credible and reliable. And the statement is valid.
See, it's tough to escape the harsh reality.
One risk that seems well-worth taking ...
Cable should give certain starters more snaps than usual during the pre-season games to get these players more ready for ... wait for it ... the regular season games that count.
A perfect example would be DHB. This guy needs as many live reps. as possible if he is going to be playing a significant # of snaps during the regular season.
Why on earth was he pulled in the 2nd quarter? Don't get me wrong, I understand that most starters are (a) already proven commodities (b) and the risk element to a player getting hurt.
However, with only 3 pre-season games to go, does anyone see DHB as ready to go?
The other thing I want to see in the remaining pre-season games is the offense attempting to execute more intermediate pass plays. Dump-offs, screens, and deep balls are nice but in my opinion, it it the intermediate passes that is the foundation of a successful passing attack. The 8-15 yard pass pattern are the money patterns.
Someone please clarify the whole "scripted plays" notion for me. I have a hard time wrapping my brain around a pre-scripted play that is run irregardless of the circumstances. Is the "scripted plays" iron clad or is there more flexibility? I can understand scripted plays for the 1st set of downs and a set of plays for the 1st series but it would not seem to make any sense whatsoever to script more than the 1st 6-9 plays.
When I read that Huey scripted the 1st 30 plays it made no sense to me from a developmental, strategic, or game ready standpoint.
"BR"...
This was my post to "NYR" in response to his denial that anyone would be interested had Seymour been released/cut instead of traded...My thought was the Raiders needed to make a trade because had they waited until his release we lacked the prospect of signing him while he had several other options...
"'The point is there damn sure would have been takers for the services of Seymour and you didn't quit in time if you think otherwise....'
But of course it was twisted and never responded to/reported as I posted it...
As for the quot from Bush I posted it here so here is the gist of it without going back to look it up...And damn can someone explain how these things become so damn twisted...
Re: "O" by Bush...
Hue's "O" is a very physical "Smash Mouth" style with throwing to his backs...
By "WR"s...
Hue's "O" is very vertical....
"Hue's own words...
We will run 1st and we will throw off the success of that run...
Now that was a paraphrasing of what was said but not twisted like "NYR" tries to do...
And I'm the one who is posting the stats in reply to "Some" who want to deny anything was good about that game...
And if you go back in history I always post the half-time stats that I have in front of me and the game ending ones too just for the record...It got overdone in direct response to "NYR"s crying bitching about it so "In Your Face" so to speak...Than "CJ" wanted to bitch also so Ya!...I can load you up...
And yes "NYR" that is the site I sent you last season...
http://atdhe.net/watchtv.html
"CJ"...
Your correct but a big deal was made out of the "Rat"s success scripting his 1st 15 plays..But he is flexible where they are called...These are the 1st for every given possibility he expects to see in the 1st quarter...
So he would have a short yardage play and a 3-n-long or 4-n-short play in his script ready for that situation and the players would be very familiar with running those plays all week...
So now if Hue is going to script 30 than the players have allot on their table...Not so simple is it so not like last season...
Personally I think it's a good idea to have that many that the players are already expecting to run clearly in their heads for that week's game...
PantyRaider...Trying To Make Sense Of Everything Senseless!!!/_
Correct me if I'm wrong but there would seem to be a big difference between pre-scripted plays and a set of plays (packages) for certain down and distances.
Ultimately, the playcaller (Huey) should be dialing up plays that (a) the Raiders have worked on (b) are capable of executing (c) have been successful at (d) that will work well against the opponent's tendencies (e) and above all, the unique game circumstances (time in the game, down, distance, opponent, score, player performance, etc.)
What I'm dying to see is a creative, diversified, balanced, dynamic, and functional play sheet that puts the Raiders offense in the best possible situation to reach pay dirt! Less predictability and more execution will go a LONG way towards tangible improvement.
20+ points per game, IMO, should be the benchmark for the 2010 Raiders. If we score 20+ points in a game, I would like our chances to come out victorious.
"CJ"...
No arguments from me at all BUT there are different formats that coaches follow to get there...
One is to script a set of plays that they feel are best suited to that particular game...Week to week that list would change per "D" that they face and the ability of the opponents "O" to score points...Competing against "O"s the likes of "NO" -n- "Indy" -n- "SD" would dictate a different game plan than say "KC"-n-Denver...
So as you say play calling that takes all those things into consideration but is prepared in advance of the game...Than depending upon how that set of plays produces determines whether they stick to that format or scrap it for a game time decisions...
These are the pointed plays that they work on all week in preparation for that contest so the players are ultra familiar and the players are expecting to perform those certain tasks early on...30 would be about the whole 1st half so halftime adjustments would prolley add a new set of plays or keep the ones which produce well and add to them...Whether that is discussed with the players I don't know...Maybe just with the "QB"s...
Another not so good approach might be to call it from the seat of your pants...As it happens on the fly with no advanced preparation like in the old days before all that film study and such...But some may still be good at that approach now...I surely don't know...
It's said that most now script some plays in advance and to what extent each one sticks to the list is another mystery...
I spent 11 years in Colorado/Wyoming so became very familiar with what the "Rat" did pregame this way...It was always being talked about...He maintained some flexibility if things weren't producing as desired but would try to stick with it more rigidly than most...He also had the advantage of knowing his "QB" very damn well so knew what he could expect in any situation....Not so now with us...
Hopefully with time we develop that type of familiarity between the coaches -n- players and than they can script a whole damn game knowing exactly what to expect from each individual...But don't expect it anytime too soon...Maybe by mid-season...
Meanwhile it will prolley be hit-n-miss but hopefully hit more than miss...
PantyRaider...All Things New!!!/_
"What was different on offense?
Screens, screens, and more screens. Answering last season's question of "Will they ever throw a screen pass?" Also, sweeps were far more prevalent than in the past. They actually also attempted at least one long pass per quarter. They promised that last season, but didn't deliver"
17 Bob trey O, come on, sweeps are more prevelant? You can tell that sweeps will be more of a focus this year? Laughable, the "crews" responses are very laughable.
Screens have always been in the Raider playbook and every other playbook, what's that got to do with the Raiders philosophy on Offense? Did they throw 10? Or are you just pulling this stuff out of your ass to further your propaganda? The KING (of propaganda)is back.
JONES
Developing the play calling a little further it may be more the representation of the great "QB" than the great "HC"...
The "Rat" was great as long as he was calling plays for Montana/Young/Elway but that greatness disappeared almost altogether when he did not have that type of "Field martial" in the game....There may have been intermittent sparks of success but laced with failures throwout...
It was the ability of player like Elway who could react off a broken play that made his scrips look great...Same goes for Shell I as long as he had the "Hoss" on the field...We saw what happened to both Shell I -n- White the moment a leader like "Hoss" was lost...
Look no further than Gruden to see the same damn thing...As long as Gannon was in there audibleizing out of called plays at the "LOS" Gruden looked like a genius...What did he look like prior to Gannon or after...
Well of course "Some" here think Gruden was a god who could do no wrong but that's about as ridicules as it gets...So realistically here...Where was his greatness at play calling without Gannon...
In short let's hope "JC" is of that type...If he can develop into that great "Field Martial" than the "OC"s job just got much easier...In the interim don't expect a product greater than the sum of it's individual parts..."WR" -n- "OL" pass blocking continue to be areas of legitimate concern so adjust the thinking accordingly until those deficiencies are adequately addressed threw time...
Run-run-run-n-dump-off to the backs -n- "TE"s is the best antidote in the interim...
So like when the Commander-n-Chief sends his Field Martial into battle...Was it Hitler or Rommel who was a great tactician....Or like Bush-n-.....Well that one never had any greatness connected so we can't go there...
PantyRaider....Bet That One Sticks!!!/_
Kelly still has a penchant for jumping offsides at his new position at nose tackle and hasn’t been conspicuous in terms of blowing up running plays or rushing the passer.
What...Is he now playing in a 3-4 scheme...
Well just hold the hell on here now this board has been very damn...NO Extremely damn defiant to find any changes what so ever in anything taking place in "RaiderVille" and now some damn stupid "Mediot" (J-Mac) is trying to throw hot coals on a barely smoldering conception that change is indeed on it's way...To Al's "D"...Unheard-Of!!!...
How dare he!...How dare He!...The noive of some idiots...Why the Noive!!!...
Reading on...
Kelly is fine with moving to nose tackle, making room at the three-technique spot for Richard Seymour, saying, `We’re both going to get doubled, we’re both going to get chipped.’’
So instead of getting bigger to play nose tackle _ the position is traditionally occupied by players who looked like fire hydrants _ Kelly slimmed down.
I’m strong enough and tough enough to play the nose,....
So now that I'm thoroughly confused I don't quite know what to make of this reporting...Maybe it's just the way they distinguish between the "LDT"-n-"RDT" saying "NT"-n-"3 Technique" but that certainly seems a little suspicious to me...
In other news GradSky is now playing 2nd team ahead of Boller...
"Death-Ro" has returned to practice but not speaking...Poor damn "Mediot"s getting shut out of the loop...Personal matter you dumb bastards...
PantyRaider...Dare We Say "J-Mac" Let Something Slip!!!/_
PR said: "My thought was the Raiders needed to make a trade because had they waited until [Seymour's] release we lacked the prospect of signing him while he had several other options.
Once again, please explain WHY the Patriots would have released/cut Seymour, particularly if so many teams were interested in him, as you say.
(A) Get a first round draft pick from the Raiders (or numerous others takers as you say),
or
(B) release him and get NOTHING! They wouldn't even qualify for a compensatory pick since Seymour was not a free agent.
Yeah, that's a close call. Are you listening to yourself? Stop making shit up. And stop crying to Blanda and H (“But H, I didn’t post any stats.”)
PR said: ""Hue's own words...
We will run 1st and we will throw off the success of that run...
Now that was a paraphrasing of what was said but not twisted like "NYR" tries to do..."
Huh? Is it his "own words" or did you paraphrase?
Besides, that's a huge revelation. The Raiders will run to set up the pass. I don't think that's ever been done before. Wow! I can see how I might twist that around.
Funny how the Raiders came out and passed on three consecutive downs to start the Dallas game. Is that how you prepare your team to "run first?"
Or do you mean how I twisted Michael Bush's exact words (not paraphrased) that the Raiders' offense hasn't changed.
"...as far as plays, not much has changed." (Michael Bush)
PR....Keep livin' da fantasy!
NYRaider,
“I'm not saying our D didn't do a good job. Clearly, they did.”
Ok, I’ll buy that. It seemed from the post that you were fixating in that one play as saying the defense hasn’t changed.
The defense showed more variety in formations in this one game than I believe we saw in total the last two years. It appears Marshall made the case for what he needed to run his defense.
As for the offense showing nothing, I’m in the “Jury is still out,” category. They had their moments, but nothing consistent. With Cornell Walker (Yes I know it’s Langston), false starting on third and four it’s like Green isn’t even gone.
That kind of crap doesn’t give you a chance to see what the team can do with a third and medium/short to move the chains. You’re back at third and long. I say get the guy a directional hearing aid for his left ear or put Vlad or Barnes over there. Actually put Vlad in at center and Barnes at RT and be done with it.
Also the sack on Campbell came from the right side. The left side played reasonably well, but there’s plenty of room for improvement.
The one thing on offense that stood out to me was the chemistry between Campbell and Zach Miller. The fourth down pass did sail over his head, but it might have been tipped, I couldn’t tell from the camera angle on the replay.
On the bad. The pass to Murphy that was caught out of bounds. It appeared Miller was open in the middle for 15 yards or so but Campbell never looked his way on that throw. I think though that he and Miller will do very well together. Miller may go over 1,000 yards this season.
On the penalty front, if you listened to the Cowgirl announcers you would have thought the Girls didn’t have a single penalty. But, they were more than willing to dig at the Raiders for theirs. Well, we had 9 for 63 yards and the Girls had 8 for 66 yards. At least three of ours were false starts which totally disrupt the rhythm of the offense. At least with holding you get to go through with the play.
I’ll have to look at the tape again, but I think Miller was the slot receiver once or twice. He was out wide but I couldn’t tell if he was on the line or not.
Also, if you would NYRaider, please find that quote from Bush. I’d love to see it. I’m not saying he didn’t say it, but I would like to see the full context.
And, for Seymour’s “mysterious” holdout. I believe league rules on franchise tagged players stipulate until you sign the tender or a contract you are not allowed to practice with the team. Negotiations were on going. But, he signed before camp so he could get in and work with the team for a full preseason.
Also, “However, the signs are not good so far.” I’m not sure you can base that on roughly 20 plays? They are going to need at least a full half and a few less false starts to actually get a feel for what is going on. Offenses need to develop a rhythm.
Now, one more thing on McClain. On one of the running plays, the guard came out to block him. Instead of trying to run around him, he met the guy head on and pushed him back into the running lane and the RB had nowhere to go. He didn’t make the tackle, but he made the play easier for his teammates.
Scott also did spend some time at LB and down at the DE position as he hinted he would. This weekend Nnamdi is supposed to be allowed to move from side to side. They’ve been doing it heavily in practice and it looks like they are going to unveil it this weekend.
NYR, thanks for the site. I’ve bookmarked it and will give it a try. If it works I owe you a beer.
On the Mosebar controversy, it will depend on which site you go to. I saw him listed as 6-6 and 6-7.
Calico,
I’m with you on the more snaps. After watching the replay it did appear the DB knocked the pass out of DHB’s hands. But only one throw in his direction? Maybe this week we will see more.
H
"Kelly still has a penchant for jumping offsides at his new position at nose tackle and hasn’t been conspicuous in terms of blowing up running plays or rushing the passer.
What...Is he now playing in a 3-4 scheme..."
"Well just hold the hell on here now this board has been very damn...NO Extremely damn defiant to find any changes what so ever in anything taking place in "RaiderVille" and now some damn stupid "Mediot" (J-Mac) is trying to throw hot coals on a barely smoldering conception that change is indeed on it's way...To Al's "D"...Unheard-Of!!!..."
What's all the fuss about PR. This has NOTHING to do with the 3-4. Same 4-3. The only difference is that Kelly has switched from the Under Tackle role (1 technique) to the Nose Tackle role (3 technique). He has replaced Gerrard Warren while Seymour has replaced Kelly.
And this is BIG news? The reality is that in the Raiders 4-3, the DTs are virtually interchangeable.
CJ
"Also the sack on Campbell came from the right side. The left side played reasonably well, but there’s plenty of room for improvement."
As I recall H, the sack came right up the middle between the C and LG with Satele getting beat badly.
CJ
Quick note:
Even though they looked good, it's still to early to tell. But, if the defense in general and the DL in particular continues to improve, how much of the credit should Mike Wafule get?
The last time a Raider DL played at a high level, he was their coach.
H
Calico,
Yes some did come up the middle, but if memory serves it was something of a sandwich deal. The guy up the middle came through the RG and center and was first but Green Walker was beat pretty badly on the play also and his guy arrived a split second later.
I'll look again, but that's my first impression.
H
"CJ"...
Thanks for the clarification if it holds up...The only time I have seen our "DT"s referred to as "NT"s was in the 3-4 scheme so that one threw me a bit....Just confused because it also appeared that the "NT"-n-"3-Technique DT" were both on the field at the same time...
"H"...
I recall a quot from a player who may have been bush early on in the "OTA"s saying the "O" was basically the same but If I remember correctly that was more in regards to the language/terminology than the actual schemes...they didn't know what it would be back than...
This just in...
As for the Raider Play Book it's loaded for bear but damn few of those plays have been used as of late...So virtually anything and everything that is applied today was prolley at one time or another run by some "HC" while with the Raiders...Now does that mean something isn't different this season as compared to "09"/"08"/"07"/"06"...How far do you want to go back to when that play book was fully utilized...
Now that's a pretty stupid argument wouldn't you suppose...
And "NYR" again and again you post a long winded response that has nothing at all to discuss...I'm fully aware at how you can twist every word so that doesn't need to be proven time after time...That's your ability and I concede that...You are what you are...
PantyRaider...Post The Thread If You dare!!!/_
I'm just curious, after all these years and opportunities to get it right, and with a pretty soft schedule ahead, who among us would consider less than 8 wins anything but an epic failure?
Disclaimer: The following is not my words...It's a copy-post from the "Rag".net....
"What he preaches to us in the meeting rooms, he says we're going to run the ball to open up the passing game," running back Michael Bush said. "Once we get that going we'll build up a good offense."
Past Raider teams have tried to use the deep pass to open up the run...That's been one of our historical trademarks...This a direct opposite scenario...
PantyRaider...Just For The Record!!!/_
"RT"...
I with some of my friends have already gone on record regarding that question...
As I stated prior...I fully expect to be in contention for the AFCW and I believe it will take 10 "V"s at least to take it...Therefor 8 measly "W"s would be a personal let-down in my book but I put 8 "W"s as the lowest end of what may be considered acceptable though below approval by me...
I have never lowered my bar...Just expectations because of the mess that was...But I stress "WAS"...Not "IS"...
PantyRaider...Fully On Record Again!!!/_
RT, I'm reluctant to demand better than .500 after seven seasons of 5 wins or less. But then, as I've stated in the past, I always expect a team to not only win, but make the playoffs. I also believe that an owner's duty to his team's fans is provide a team in contention for EVERY home game.
So while my nerves are very thin, and my desire is to decrease the pressure on my team, I'm sticking with the notion that this year Mr. Davis must live up to his duty. The rebuild has been ongoing but with fits and starts for three years. It's time for dividends.
I'm confident this team now has the talent to pull it together - to still be in contention on that last home game of the season.
I'll hold Cable to that, I'll hold Davis to that, I'll hold Jackson to that and Campbell/Gradkowski to that.
That's the bottom line, bare minimum. I expect the Raiders to be in contention for the playoffs for their last home game of the season (i.e., the fans should not have to pay for one more meaningless game).
For now, I'll stay away from a specific number of wins, because being in contention is more viable than a win or a loss. If the Raiders were to somehow make the playoffs with a 7-9 record, I'd accept that because they did what they had to do to get there. If they aren't in contention for their final home game with 10 wins, I will consider that a failure.
KC, Denver and SD have the same schedule we do. The ultimate goal is to beat what they do.
You know, I just had an idea that will absolutely NEVER come to pass, because the NFL and the owners would never allow it. But my idea would do more to create parity in the NFL than anything that has ever been tried.
I suggest an NFL rule that requires that teams may only charge half price admission to games played between two non-contending teams. If you have two teams playing that are both in the area of 4-10, all the fans get in for half price. If the fans are not able to witness at least one team (even if it's the visiting team) struggle to make the Super Bowl, the game is half price.
"BR"...
Nice presentation...I would also be disappointed if we missed the "PO"s after winning 10 games...
That could mean that "SD" took the "AFCW" -w- a 10-5 record but were 2-0 against us and we failed to qualify for that "WC" spot because some other team outside the "AFCW" had the tie-breakers over us...
Now that would be the epitome of what disappointment would be...However at such a time I would also consider us to be the near equal of at least 2 teams who advanced to the "PO"s and so while disappointed not discouraged about our team...
PantyRaider...Now That Last Game Would Be Interesting!!!/_
H -
Sorry for any confusion, but the "holdout" I referred to was really Seymour's mysterous absence from the Raiders after he was traded, which, by the way, prompted the Raiders to send him a league-rule five-day notice letter. Clearly, there was a breakdown in communication between the Raiders and Seymour that the Raiders felt it necessary to send such a letter.
My problem has been PR's propensity to widely assume the Pats were contemplating releasing Seymour had the Raiders not traded their 2011 first round pick for him.
That's preposterous! And he thinks I'm twisting the facts.
The Michael Bush quote was from Steve Corkran. I don't have time now, but maybe later I can dig it out. Bush's full quote from the article is pasted on this thread twice. I didn't excerpt the quote, if that's what you're implying.
"BR"...
Ah!...How would that affect the bidding for veteran help...Could greatly escalate the payrolls in desperation to keep from losing that ticket price and all the anti-hoopla that comes with it...
PantyRaider...Every Gain Is A Loss Somewhere!!!/_
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