Pre-Game Quick Hits
1. I loved this article in the San Francisco Chronicle today, revealing the fraternal relationship between Michael Bush and Darren McFadden. Here's my favorite part of the story:
They have managed to enjoy each other's TV shows - Animal Planet programming for McFadden, "Entourage" and "Family Feud" for Bush - except for the time Bush looked up and McFadden was watching "Tom and Jerry."
"I was like, 'What are you doing?' " Bush said. "But mostly it's Animal Planet. And I can watch that. You actually learn some stuff. Like, we were watching how a squirrel fights a snake."
This is another indication that the "likeability" factor of the Raiders players has gone way up over the past year or two. The housecleaning could (and should) have been swifter, but there's no denying that the character of our team is rebounding. It wasn't long ago that we were getting arrogant guff from guys who couldn't even find a solid job after leaving the Raiders (Porter, Jordan, Walter, Schweigert, etc.), on top of some truly unlikeable chaps (Moss, Walker, Hall, etc.).
Now it's finally starting to feel like a team. Keep it up, guys.
2. I read this story about the Cowboys' two training camps, and thought about the sad contrast with the Raiders' own training camp.
A quote from the story:
In an unusual routine crafted by Jones, the Cowboys have split their training camp — again. After opening with 14 days in San Antonio that drew 200,989 to practices, they packed their training camp into nine 48-foot semi-trucks and moved it halfway across the country...For a franchise that has won two playoff games in 14 seasons but leads the league in aggressive marketing, it's a chance to tap into the mega-sized Los Angeles market vacated by the NFL since 1995. More than 100,000 are expected to watch practices during two weeks at fields installed adjacent to a golf course in this town about an hour's drive northwest of Los Angeles.
In other words, the Cowboys are literally going the extra mile to connect with their fans. Meanwhile, the Raiders' camp remains under lock and key. What are they protecting, the secret formula to posting 11 or more losses for seven straight seasons?
I know, I know: It's how they've always done it. But why not loosen things up a bit? Why not let fans in for a weekend? Why not embrace camp as an opportunity to bring people in to your world, not shut them out? Because that's how they've always done it?
I believe that anyone who makes that excuse on behalf of the Raiders is mistaken. The Raiders haven't always been regressive or stagnant in their operations. In fact, they used to be the most progressive and innovative team in the NFL.
3. I'm looking for two main things tonight. First, I want to see our receivers step up to the challenge and give Jason Campbell a chance to light it up. I'm bullish on our defense, but it's going to be a long year if we can't move the ball downfield.
Some people are dismissing our thinness at receiver, saying that Miller and McFadden provide ample throwing targets. These are often the same people who said that DHB was a solid pick because he would stretch the field and force opponents to respect the mid-to-long range ball. So I suppose that Miller and McFadden are going to stretch the field and keep opponents from stacking the box? Without credible threats at receiver, I think it's going to be a long slog. So we need our receivers to step up and become threats.
I also want to see our defense really build upon its early momentum. Tonight is a huge opportunity to gain mojo and confidence and self-belief. I'm looking for Wimbley to prove that last week wasn't a fluke. I'm looking for a halt to the big plays. And I'm looking for more evidence that the days of the vanilla defense are over. Make that defense taste like chocolate mint, baby, and serve it up to Alex Smith, Frank Gore and the rest of them.
They have managed to enjoy each other's TV shows - Animal Planet programming for McFadden, "Entourage" and "Family Feud" for Bush - except for the time Bush looked up and McFadden was watching "Tom and Jerry."
"I was like, 'What are you doing?' " Bush said. "But mostly it's Animal Planet. And I can watch that. You actually learn some stuff. Like, we were watching how a squirrel fights a snake."
This is another indication that the "likeability" factor of the Raiders players has gone way up over the past year or two. The housecleaning could (and should) have been swifter, but there's no denying that the character of our team is rebounding. It wasn't long ago that we were getting arrogant guff from guys who couldn't even find a solid job after leaving the Raiders (Porter, Jordan, Walter, Schweigert, etc.), on top of some truly unlikeable chaps (Moss, Walker, Hall, etc.).
Now it's finally starting to feel like a team. Keep it up, guys.
2. I read this story about the Cowboys' two training camps, and thought about the sad contrast with the Raiders' own training camp.
A quote from the story:
In an unusual routine crafted by Jones, the Cowboys have split their training camp — again. After opening with 14 days in San Antonio that drew 200,989 to practices, they packed their training camp into nine 48-foot semi-trucks and moved it halfway across the country...For a franchise that has won two playoff games in 14 seasons but leads the league in aggressive marketing, it's a chance to tap into the mega-sized Los Angeles market vacated by the NFL since 1995. More than 100,000 are expected to watch practices during two weeks at fields installed adjacent to a golf course in this town about an hour's drive northwest of Los Angeles.
In other words, the Cowboys are literally going the extra mile to connect with their fans. Meanwhile, the Raiders' camp remains under lock and key. What are they protecting, the secret formula to posting 11 or more losses for seven straight seasons?
I know, I know: It's how they've always done it. But why not loosen things up a bit? Why not let fans in for a weekend? Why not embrace camp as an opportunity to bring people in to your world, not shut them out? Because that's how they've always done it?
I believe that anyone who makes that excuse on behalf of the Raiders is mistaken. The Raiders haven't always been regressive or stagnant in their operations. In fact, they used to be the most progressive and innovative team in the NFL.
3. I'm looking for two main things tonight. First, I want to see our receivers step up to the challenge and give Jason Campbell a chance to light it up. I'm bullish on our defense, but it's going to be a long year if we can't move the ball downfield.
Some people are dismissing our thinness at receiver, saying that Miller and McFadden provide ample throwing targets. These are often the same people who said that DHB was a solid pick because he would stretch the field and force opponents to respect the mid-to-long range ball. So I suppose that Miller and McFadden are going to stretch the field and keep opponents from stacking the box? Without credible threats at receiver, I think it's going to be a long slog. So we need our receivers to step up and become threats.
I also want to see our defense really build upon its early momentum. Tonight is a huge opportunity to gain mojo and confidence and self-belief. I'm looking for Wimbley to prove that last week wasn't a fluke. I'm looking for a halt to the big plays. And I'm looking for more evidence that the days of the vanilla defense are over. Make that defense taste like chocolate mint, baby, and serve it up to Alex Smith, Frank Gore and the rest of them.
452 Comments:
great post, RT.
What I want to see tonight:
Defense
(1) Continued stout run D
(2) Alex Smith on his back 4+ times
(3) Nnamdi experimenting with playing a rover, multi-purpose defensive back or before each snap "Where's Nnamdi?"
(4) At least 1 bone-crushing, light em' up hit by McClain
Offense:
(1) connections on intermediate routes between Campbell and WRs
(2) For Valdheer to hold his own and look solid
(3) limited # of pre-snap penalities
Special Teams:
(1) For one of the KR & PR to emerge as the clear cut favorite
This game, especially the 1st half, should give all of us a more clear picture of our progress.
"A squirrel fights a snake."
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Hey, I didn't know a squirrel attacked Ken Stabler ?
As for "likeability", & "character", as long as they come with some wins, I'm all for it.
Also, Raiders can have all the secret practices they want. But on opening sunday, everyone will see the truth. It's put up, or shut up time.
"These are often the same people who said that DHB was a solid pick"
Who the damn hell on this board made a post to that effect...Who ever said they were even happy with that pick...We live with it without all the damn perpetual tears that you keep crying Baby!!!...
"So I suppose that Miller and McFadden are going to stretch the field and keep opponents from stacking the box?"
Now that was pretty damn stupid wasn't it????...
Just watch the damn game and see for yourself...Do you actually believe any "D" in this country would let "DHB" run free with "JC" at "QB"....Hell no one did it with "GlueSniffer" in there so what the hell makes you think "DHB" will be less effective at stretching the field now than last season where he consistently drew the double team...
Your Cheap-Shots get "Dumber-n-Dumber" threw time...Un-Freakin-Believable...Still beating that same old perpetual drum of "Doom-n-Gloom"...
"NYR"...
NO...You grip it and take a look at "85" as I posted and the output of the "RB"-"FB"-"TE" was just as high with the likes of...
QB Marc Wilson
WR Jessie Hester
WR Dokie Williams
And Dave Dalby had retired...
Don Mosebar was in his 2nd season...
RB Marcus Allen 380 rushes for 1,759 yards, 11 td, & 67 catches for 555 yards and 3 td
FB Frank Hawkins 84 rushes for 269 yards, 4 td, & 27 catches for 174 yards
TE Todd Christensen 16 starts 82 catches for 987 yards, 6 td
You are wrong so deal with it...
Well now that crap is out of the way so I will just enjoy the damn game despite these ridicules childish attack attempts that have absolutely no legitimacy what so ever...
PantyRaider...Just Laughin Baby!!!/_
Raider00...
Right-On Baby!!!....And that's the way it's always been so why all the damn crying now...
Hell...If someone loves what "JJ" is doing so much go join the damn "CowGirls" and leave the Raiders to be who they be....
PantyRaider...Just Play Ball Baby!!!/_
I'm glad you agree that DHB wasn't a solid pick.
http://www.compassmedianetworks.com/sports/
Listen live on-line...Now on the air...
"what the hell makes you think "DHB" will be less effective at stretching the field now than last season where he consistently drew the double team..."
Too funny, only a moron would actually believe that DHB was being DBL teamed all last year. Just because a Wasted person thinks that DHB only caught 9 passes because he was DBL teamed all year, surely doesn't mean it's the TRUTH.
DHB was a non factor, that's why he was only in single coverage and DBL teaming was used elsewhere.
What world do you live in? It sure isn't earth. Is it any wonder why no one takes you seriously? You better go to wiki and hope they have an answer for that one.
JONES
Not liking or wanting the pick at that time dose not translate into the belief that he can't develop into a sold player or will not be effective at stretching the "DB"s deep...That's your problem...Your so damn busy bashin Mr Davis that you can't look at the man and see his value/potential value to this "O"....
2009 NFL Draft Prospect Scouting Report:
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Darrius Heyward-Bey, WR, Maryland
3/24 Update: Heyward-Bey's speed is his biggest asset and he certainly showed everybody how fast he is at the NFL Combine. He is not a short possession receiver who is nothing but fast. With his size and speed, he should be a first round pick. However, his lack of collegiate production is a concern for many teams and that could drop him into the early second round.
4/16 Update: Heyward-Bey worked out for the Raiders recently and if they want him, they either have to take him with the seventh overall pick in the draft or trade down. Even if the Maryland receiver does not end up in Oakland, he will not have to wait too long to have his name called on draft day. Michael Crabtree is still the top receiver in the class, but Heyward-Bey could surpass Jeremy Maclin when all is said and done.
After Draft...
It all starts with his size and toughness. At 6-2 and 210 pounds, there are taller receivers out there, but few can combine that size with athleticism that matches Heyward-Bey. Although he was not very productive on the field he still showed some value at stretching the field and drawing double coverage away from other potential targets. The hope is with improved play at quarterback Hayward-Bey will show more production in the passing game and possibly become a reliable weapon.
PantyRaider...NO Wiki!!!/_
1-10-OAK 29 (13:32) J.Campbell pass deep middle to D.Heyward-Bey to SF 49 for 22 yards (T.Brown; M.Lewis).
PR -
You keep moving the target, but you can't (and won't) find a Raiders team more pathetic than the teams they've fielded the past seven seasons.
Instead of comparing "the now" to teams of the 80's, why don't you look at what made the Raiders successful in 2002...
Jerry Rice - 92 catches and a PB
Tim Brown - 81 catches
Jerry Porter - 51 catches
2-9-SF 14 (11:33) J.Campbell pass short left to D.Heyward-Bey to SF 7 for 7 yards (D.Goldson).
"TD"...Bush....
This drive was "RB"s running and "FB"/"RB" receiving -n- "DHB"...
Now stick that crap up you royal asses...
PantyRaider...Just Luv It When It All Comes Together!!!/_
Nice drive... with Valdheer at center and DHB putting a spin move to break a tackle before Bush pushed it into the end zone.
PR said: "Now stick that crap up you royal asses..."
Your are foolish to think anyone here wants the Raiders to fail. How ridiculous can you possibly be?
1-10-SF 31 (7:31) F.Gore up the middle to OAK 20 for 49 yards (T.Branch).
Damn that sucks..."D"...Suck it up!!!
Is H gonna tell me that's only one play?
Ok, two plays.
It's the game-plan that you said wont work that I telling you to stick up your asses and you damn well understood that "NYR" now didn't you so stop duckin-n-hiden...
4-9-OAK 19 (5:40) J.Nedney 37 yard field goal is No Good, Wide Right, Center-B.Jennings, Holder-A.Lee.
Dodged a bullet but that "D" held with their backs up against their own end-zone again...
PR -
So predicting they won't do well is the same as wanting them to fail?
Conversely, as long as I proclaim they are the best and they will win no matter the circumstances, I get to keep my membership card.
No thanks.
Team Stats 1st Quarter...
..............SF...OAK
First Downs 3 5
Total Yards 70 90
Passing Yards 12 82
Rushing Yards 58 8
Penalties (Yds) 3(19) 1(5)
Turnovers 0 0
Punts (AVG) 1(50) 2(40)
Time of Pos. 5:14 9:33
Ha! Ha! Start crying here are the stats...
Stat boy, hard at work.
"RedZone" "D" holds again...Even after the bad call gives then the 1st dn...."FG"...
Ya!..Don't ya just luv it...NO Problem I got's'em!!!...
4-10-OAK 26 (9:59) S.Lechler punts 57 yards to SF 17, Center-J.Condo. P.Adams for 83 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
So much for "ST"s....
Is "JC" OK...No view....Raidio said waiting for the cart...This sucks...
Like I said the "OL" is the biggest concern and "JC" would be the victim if they can't hold-up...
OK..."JC" is walking to his own cart...Naxt week baby...See you soon...
Stinger so he should be OK...
"TD" came against the Zone which we play in the RedZone...I don't remember that so must be new...
3-11-OAK 26 (:49) (Shotgun) B.Gradkowski pass deep middle to L.Murphy for 74 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
1st qtr the scripted plays worked well but after that when Bush went out and "D-Mac" was given a look things changed radically...But just as Cable said he will prolley gameplan more for a view of the players than for a way to win this game...It shows...
1st half Stats....
...............SF.....OAK
First Downs 9 6
Total Yards 206 177
Passing Yards 113 162
Rushing Yards 93 15
Penalties (Yds) 6(34) 3(25)
Turnovers 0 0
Punts (AVG) 1(50) 4(24)
Time of Pos. 16:04 13:22
Raiders got 5 first downs on their first drive, then failed to get another first down until less than a minute left in the half. In between TDs, the offense looked sloppy and confused.
SF is playing two rookies on their O-line, protecting Smith with no sacks and opening lanes for big runs.
Meanwhile, Mario Henderson is having a disastrous game. He whiffed badly on the play Campbell went out, and later was called for a personal foul.
Gradkowski showed why it should be an open competition for QB. He has shown a knack for making plays when they really need it.
DHB was a ghost after the first drive. Clearly, Murphy will again be the Raiders top WR.
McFadden looks decent in space, but still can’t run up the middle. That probably won’t change anytime soon because he can’t make anyone miss tackling him. The guy goes down with a stiff breeze.
LOL. Barry Sims false start.
If they don't throw to "DHB" he's not going to produce...
Meanwhile Murphy has the drops...
Spoke too soon...Now "DHB" drops it...
3 drops on this drive by 3 players...
Now "DHB" catches the 1st dn on 3-15...
3 drops in a row, by three different players.... Murphy, Miller and DHB. Is there a receiver on the team?
"D-Mac" makes the 1st dn on 2 carries...
Damn...2 players you like to bad-mouth are making plays...
"JC" is on the sideline -n- OK...
1-10-SF 27 (8:20) B.Gradkowski pass deep middle to Z.Miller for 27 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
SO now lets see....Throwing to the "RB"s-n-"FB"s -w- "TE" and "DHB"/Murphy results in another "TD"...Now how can that be...NOT possible in today's NFL with such piss poor "WR"s.....
PantyRaider....BS....
OH!...By the way...I almost forgot...
Is anyone covering "DHB" in this game...Is the "D" just ignoring him...Is he making the "DB"s play deep...
Raiders 2nd team "D"...
"SF" 1st team "OL"...
Liking the scoring drives. Plunkett and Branch are getting outplayed by their #2s, but nice to see 21 up there. Our defense looks like it's still prone to the gash, but with some real offensive output, we might be able to maintain an edge.
2nd team "D" holds on 4th dn and we take the ball at the 40...
PR -
Another stupid comment. I never said Miller and McFadden couldn't produce in a game situation. You sound like they just won the Super Bowl.
Save your "I told you so's".
Oh! NO!...
"BS" Pass Interference gives them the 1st dn....
What about "DHB"....
2nd "D" hold despite the "Zebra"s bad calls and give up the "FG"...
"RT"....
In case you failed to notice Seymour is not in this game...Oh!...That's right!!!...You don't think he is worth having on this team...
Well when he is in there the run is defend much better so in Seymour I/we trust...
Yeah, three catches is 33% of his total output all of last season. He's finally arrived.
Is that another "I told you so?"
You just don't know when to quit.
Our weakness so far on the "O" is running the ball while the dump-offs to the backs is working very well...
Drops by everyone...
49ers are without their top DT also, but the Raiders only managed 15 yards rushing in the first half.
So what's your point? You think Seymour makes all those stops by himself?
"In case you failed to notice Seymour is not in this game...Oh!...That's right!!!...You don't think he is worth having on this team.."
This is Exhibit A of the infantile logic that has become common around here. Questioning the value of a trade does not imply that those involved in the trade have no value. Hello?
4-8-SF 39 (1:17) S.Janikowski 57 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-J.Condo, Holder-S.Lechler.
You -n- "Some" have posted the raiders team/"D" is no better with him that without him so don't start with the lies now and say he has value...
"NYR"...
That was stupid...Seymour draws the double consistently so someone else is freed up to make a play...Now how the hell do you compute that one...
No, we posted the fact that his arrival had no appreciable impact on the total defensive performance of the Raiders last year. Doesn't make him worthless, but it sure adds credence to my questioning of the trade value.
So explain why the Raiders practically set a record for giving up long runs last year with Seymour collecting all those double-teams.
Amazing how there's always some intangible to make the Raiders better than what our lying eyes tell us.
That's very damn easy...I'm talking this season with Houston -n- McClain in the game along with the other new "LB"s and our "DB"s...
Damn your shallow...
In your posts he was NO better than any other player but no other player draws the double consistently or motivates/elevates those around him like Richard does...Or maybe you just don't believe what the players say...
It's all just more Raider propaganda right...The "Company Line" as you put it...
Game Stats....
................SF....OAK
First Downs 19 17
Total Yards 332 331
Passing Yards 167 276
Rushing Yards 165 55
Penalties (Yds) 10(82) 8(70)
Turnovers 0 0
Punts (AVG) 4(45) 5(25)
Time of Pos. 33:19 26:41
Just like DHB consistently gets DBL coverage. Waste doesn't know what the hell is going on, he doesn't even see the games. He pulls things out of his ass and pretends like he is an expert.
Grad BETTER be the starting QB on opening day. Once again he shows the leadership and the team really responds to him.
Hard to say how this team will be at the mid point of the season, they still look to be making mental errors that cost big time. It will demoralize the team if it continues. There are positives but the same things that have haunted this team could still be present. Grad MUST be the starter though.
2 4th down bogus calls by the refs to help the whiners keep scoring drives alive. Still too early to see what the Raiders have, it's going to take a few games into the season to see for sure.
JONES
"O" 22% 3rd dns...
Passing...
B. Gradkowski 14/22 202yds 2TD
J. Campbell 6/8 93yds
Rushing...2.9 ave...
M. Bush 7/23 1TD
M. Bennett 2/12
R. Cartwright 3/11
D. McFadden 7/9
Receiving...
L. Murphy 2/87 1TD-74yds
D. Heyward-Bey 3/46
M. Reece 2/45
Z. Miller 1/27 1TD
R. Cartwright 2/22
Y. Figurs 2/18
D. McFadden 2/16
M. Bush 2/15
Scripted series seemed very good but rest was inconsistent...I'm assuming the 1st series of plays with "GradSki" were also scripted...
"D"....Allowed 2 TDs-n-2 FGs....
No Sacks -or- INTs....
Allowed 5yd ave rushing -n- 5.2yd ave pass completion...16/32 167yds...43% on 3rd dns...
RedZone "D" continues to be very strong but between the 20's gave up chunks to the rush while playing the intermediate to deep passing very well....Gave up the short passing game...Did not maintain enough heat in this one...
Unfortunately, it doesn't matter who plays QB, there is nobody to catch the ball. Plenty of drops.
Gradkowski places the ball where plays can be made, but nothing happens. There are receivers in the league that make those plays... just none on the Raiders.
Maybe some of them will someday, if you don't mind the wait.
Ok, I'll bite on the stats. 55 yards rushing. So much for establishing the run to set up the pass.
And 165 yards rushing for the 49ers. So much for stopping the run, i.e., unless you think one player will make the difference in EVERY GAME... like he did (not) last year.
Campbell will need to play better to get to where Gradkowski already is. Gradkowski might not have the durability, height or whatever to be the starter, but he makes plays and moves the offense in spite of itself.
For that, he deserves to be in a QB competition.
"Scripted series seemed very good but rest was inconsistent...I'm assuming the 1st series of plays with "GradSki" were also scripted..."
So Hue Jackson was lying when he said he scripts the entire first half? PR says he only scripted the first series for each QB... including the emergency replacement. Do OC's actually script plays for emergency replacements?
Hopefully, Jackson will have a better game plan when we play them again, which Cable pretty much assured us earlier in the week that they would.
Hay Stupid...I'm speculating that Hue would script the 1st series for his 2nd "QB" too just like for his 1st "QB"....Is that too damn hard for you to imagine while your lookin for everything derogatory you can post...
Hue said he would script the game in the regular season and only design a small portion of this game to win but the rest was to view players in situations...That's his words not mine idiot...
So how did Vald do at "C"...Ya find fault there too...
And what the damn hell are you talking about....
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Unfortunately, it doesn't matter who plays QB, there is nobody to catch the ball. Plenty of drops.
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20/30 for 295yds passing...Who the damn hell do you think was catching those passes...66% completions...2 "TD"s...
What the fuck are you on....Must be a hell of allot stronger than that "Purple Drank"....
PantyRaider...Damn!...Your Really Going To Be Lost Without All Your "Doom-n-Gloom" This Season!!!/_
Michael Bush has a fractured thumb
Hope that report is inaccurate but if it's true how badly he is affected is by it...Which hand...Can he catch...Hold on to the ball...
NOT GOOD....
What type of coverage was "DHB" getting...
Were they in a Deep-Zone or Top-n-Bottom....
Who was drawing the double or did anyone get doubled...
How was Zack covered...By "LB"s or "S"s...Doubled Coverage???..
The backs were often coming out in the passing game...Where they covered by "LB"s or a spy "DB"...
They shut down our run all day...How many were in the box and did that contribute to our high production in the passing game...
These are the types of things I would be looking at while watching this game...But than I was a "CB"/"HB" so that just figures that I would be aware of such things...
All you can do is look for the "Neg" to post....How pathetic is that...
PantyRaider...I'll Assume Someone Was Watching!!!/_
"J-Mac" the "Mediot" reports....
– Raiders quarterbacks were 20 of 30 for 295 yards and that included four or five dropped passes of varying degrees of difficulty.
Campbell was 6 of 8 for 93 yards with a quarterback rating of 113.0, including a gorgeous game-opening eight-play, 81-yard drive.
Gradkowski completed 14 of 22 passes for 202 yards, touchdowns passes of74 yards to Louis Murphy and 27 yards to Zach Miller, no interceptions, and a 123.7 quarterback rating.
“We have to do it all out all the time and I think there’s too many ups and downs in this football game for us to be who we need to be to succeed. A lot to learn from it, and that’s a good thing. I’m glad it happened now as opposed to a few weeks from now.’’
–The Raiders played it fairly straight defensively, which everyone expected they would, given their regular-season game against the 49ers in October.
– Linebacker Rolando McClain led the Raiders with eight tackles and made a few plays but was victimized on a few others
PantyRaider....But No Doubt "Some" Can Find The Supper "Neg" In All Of This!!!/_
A Look Ahead At Tenn...
"O"....30% on 3rd dns...
"QB"s sacked 7 times...
V. Young 6/9 48yds
2.2yds ave rushing on 20 attempts...
"QB"s 18/30 -w- 2 INTs...1 TD...
4.6yd ave/pass play...
They couldn't run nor pass effectively against the Panther "D"...That includes Johnson 8/10yds...So we need to take a real good look at what those "BlackCats" were able to do to shut them down and try to do the same...Maybe they showed us something if we can learn from it a copy it...
Meanwhile Tenn didn't give much up either...
Our Raiders averaged 15yds per pass completion @ 66% completion rate...20/295yds...Now that's damn good in my book...But of note we don't have the weapons to compete at "WR" and can't depend upon "RB"s-n-"TE"s to supplement that weakness...Oh! Well!...Just Too Bad For Us...
PantyRaider...Oh!...We Are So Doomed!!!/_
With one game left this week the Raiders are the #10 "D"...
#2 Pass...
#30 Rush...
#3 Tie Sacks...
#13 Scoring...
#11 Tie INTs...
"O"...#13...
#9 Passing...
#15 Rushing...
#7 Scoring...
"SF" is the #3 Total "D" and we ripped them but good for 295yds passing to "NOBODY" who can catch....
PR said: "Hue said he would script the game in the regular season and only design a small portion of this game to win but the rest was to view players in situations...That's his words not mine idiot..."
Now he will script the WHOLE game? That's a direct quote? Where I can see it in print? Yikes! It just went from bad to worse.
PR said: "Who the damn hell do you think was catching those passes...66% completions...2 "TD"s..."
Gradkowski was 14 for 22, but seemed spot on for virtually all his passes. At one point in the game, there were three drops in a row (Murphy, Miller and DHB). After that, several times Gradkowski was right on target and the WR couldn't catch it....to which I pointed out there are plenty of WRs in the NFL that makes those plays, just none on the Raiders.
Once again, you rely exclusively on stats, whereas I watched the game.
You're happy as long as the Raiders can put up some stats.
Bizarre!
Your own freakin hero "J-Mac" wrote...
– Raiders quarterbacks were 20 of 30 for 295 yards and that included four or five dropped passes of varying degrees of difficulty.
But now you saw 3 drops in a row and "Several Times" after that...Was that in the game or in your dreams/visions....Maybe you just can't tell the difference between a "Drop" and a simple "Incomplete Pass"...Or is every "Incomplete" equal to a "Drop" in your estimation....
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Gradkowski was 14 for 22, but seemed spot on for virtually all his passes. At one point in the game, there were three drops in a row (Murphy, Miller and DHB). After that, several times Gradkowski was right on target and the WR couldn't catch it...
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Ah!...Some simple math that even you should be able to understand...
14/22 means a total of 8 Incomplete...20/30 means a total of 10 Incomplete for the entire game....
Now...We can give you the 3 in a row and the total of 4-5 but where the hell do you get the "Several Times"..Now just how many is "Several Times"...1-2 is what your hero counted...Is 1-2 "Several Times"...
being more than two but fewer than many in number or kind:
Well here's the Play-by-Play so see if you can find what the hell your talking about and who were the "WR"s...Now let's count them together....1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10 but take away 2** because they were "Non-Plays" due to penalties so than this is every "Incomplete" pass thrown by GradSki...
2-4-OAK 45 (11:12) 5-B.Gradkowski pass incomplete short right to 18-L.Murphy
** 3-4-OAK 45 (11:07) (Shotgun) 5-B.Gradkowski pass incomplete deep middle to 80-Z.Miller (22-N.Clements). PENALTY on SF-98-P.Haralson, Defensive Offside, 5 yards, enforced at OAK 45 - No Play.
1-10- (11:01) (Shotgun) 5-B.Gradkowski pass incomplete short left to 85-D.Heyward-Bey.
1-10-OAK 22 (5:39) 5-B.Gradkowski pass incomplete deep right to 12-J.Ford.
3-3-SF 48 (10:31) (Shotgun) 5-B.Gradkowski pass incomplete short right to 12-J.Ford.
1-10-OAK 26 (1:38) (Shotgun) 5-B.Gradkowski pass incomplete short right to 83-B.Myers.
** 2-10-OAK 26 (1:34) (Shotgun) 5-B.Gradkowski pass incomplete deep right to 19-T.Watkins. PENALTY on SF-41-K.Paymah, Defensive Pass Interference, 33 yards, enforced at OAK 26 - No Play.
2-9-SF 40 (1:23) (Shotgun) 5-B.Gradkowski pass incomplete short left to 12-J.Ford.
3-9-SF 40 (1:19) (Shotgun) 5-B.Gradkowski pass incomplete deep left to 13-Y.Figurs.
4-9-SF 40 (1:14) (Shotgun) 5-B.Gradkowski pass incomplete deep middle to 19-T.Watkins (30-R.Smith).
The starters were out after the 3rd Incomplete so are you bitchin about the "Scrubs" here...Is it Ford/Myers/Watkins who you are so damn down about....Because that's all I can find at NFL.com Game Play-bu-Play...
Hell...Here's the thread look for yourself...
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2010082859/2010/PRE3/49ers@raiders/analyze#analyze:analyze/analyze-channels:cat-post-playbyplay
PantyRaider....What Up With All The Childishness -n- Gloom!!!!/_
Does your estimation fit any one of these definitions of "Dropped pass"...
Typically a dropped pass is one in which the WR should have made the catch. If the result is an interception, most announcers will call it a "tipped ball" but if the original pass was catchable, then it will be a dropped pass.
a dropped pass is when the ball hits receiver hands and it is deemed catchable. If it jus grazes the finger tips that is NOT a dropped pass. but it does NOT have to be intercepted to be regarded as a dropped pass
Dropping it is when you get it in your hands and can't make the catch, not just touching it.
the definiton is if it was a catchable ball that was not caught. if a guy dives and touches it with both hands it is not a dropped pass because that would have been a hard catch.
PantyRaider...When Was The Last Time You Cleaned That Picture Tube...Or Your Dirty Lenses!!!/_
My Set of Eyes as posted by viewers...
DHB had 1 on 1 coverage
and it seemed that they doubled Miller with a LB and a Safety. DHB ran great routes though. A few ins and outs, a nice curl route. They gave him the speed cushion which helped him get open quicker.
Heyward-Bey did a good job against the 49ers' backup cornerback.
The Raiders attacked Tarell Brown — the corner who played in place of the injured Shawntae Spencer — with Heyward-Bey matched up against him. Like you mentioned, his routes were crisp and he was able to hang onto the ball. I imagine we would have exploited the mismatch more had the game been a regular season game.
DHB looked okay, still needs work; Zach Miller is a nightmare matchup for DB's and LB's
6’5, coming in around 260, too big for a DB, he’s too strong, agile, for a LB to cover 1 on 1. He’s going to be a force in the Red Zone, finally.
PantyRaider...The Radio Said He Made A Grab Between Defenders!!!/_
Stat Boy -
The three incomplete passes you posted in succession where all three catchable balls. Probably the worst drop was Murphy's, as he was all alone and it would have given the Raiders an easy first down. But the others were very catchable.
Myers dropped an easy one, and Watkins dropped what would have been a clutch play late in the game.
That's five drops of catchable balls that good WRs make, one of which probably cost the game.
You can post all the stats you want, they won't change the facts.
J-Mac: "Gradkowski had a deep heave drop through the hands of Todd Watkins inside the 5-yard line on fourth-and-9 from the 40-yard line and 1:14 to play."
From another (eye witness) blog: "Grad took the offense to mid-field but receivers, such as Watkins, couldn't match Grad's clutchness."
Instead of reading the stat line and running a muck, maybe you should be more considerate of those that watched the game.
I'm actually glad the Raiders lost this game. The exhibition season can be very misleading. Having the Raiders at 3-0 in the exhibition season would be nothing but a mirage.
What this game revealed;
* Super Mario Henderson has a difficult time with speed rushers. Watching Campbell get whip lashed from the backside by LaBoy was frightening. Seeing the cart wheeled out was not a nice sight.
* Our run defense still has a long ways to go. Gore gashed us at will up the middle.
* Our WRs had far too many drops on very catchable balls. These drops are drive killers and are the difference between sustaining drives and giving the ball back to the opponent. DHB is still fighting the ball ... nothing looks natural in terms of pass catching and use of his body and hands. I do think it would be wise to use him on more early down, short patterns to give him a few catches and to gain confidence.
* Our pass rush was toothless for most of the game.
* Disappointed in not seeing Nnamdi moved like a chess piece. The D's alignment and schemes were very predictable.
* Huff needs to take some more tackling classes. The guy has killed us back to back games with a poor job of wrapping up the ball carrier.
* SeaBass & Lechler are ready for pro bowl years but our KR, PR, and return game needs a lot of work.
* Last but not least ... when you watch the game live and don't get pre-occupied with stats (hello PR), Ski is very impressive with his energy, command, and knack for making plays. I feel very good about our QB situation with Campbell, Ski, and Boller.
Laverneus Coles was cut by the Jets.
Adding Coles to the Raiders is a no-brainer. He runs good routes, has very sure hands, and has been a highly productive WR.
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So predicting they won't do well is the same as wanting them to fail?
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You think you are fooling people into thinking you are happier when the Raiders are playing well and winning rather than sucking ass so you can pretend to be a football genius or something?
Its not working.
Anyone watching these practice games and determining this is "same ol same ol" clearly has blinders on.
Face it... your entire reputation revolves around the Raiders sucking this year.
Its going to be a fun year!!
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* Our run defense still has a long ways to go. Gore gashed us at will up the middle.
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Practice games vs teams we play on the schedule are virtually meaningless in defenses shown.
I agree we still have some tackling issues and our free safety is a huge issue (cough Huff sucks cough) but we played a vanilla defense without our best lineman... what can you really determine?
Excellent! Gary's back with more excuses and enabling.
"...we played a vanilla defense without our best lineman."
The absence of one man from the game is the excuse du jour.
Seymour didn't play. Wah!
It doesn't matter that the 49ers held out about a half dozen key players. One man on the Raiders is bigger than their 5-6.
Gary and PR make it sound like nobody replaced Seymour in the game, like the Raiders just played 10.
It doesn't even look like the issue is primarily on the line. Looks like there are still gap issues with the LBs.
When I pointed this out before, citing rookie mistakes by McClain, H ripped me a new one, saying I wanted to cut him.
But no wories, right? It may look a lot like the same run defense (getting burned for long runs two weeks in a row) but it's not.
It's all part of the cone-of-silence strategy.
We're back, baby!
P.S. We still need a WR. I say this for Gary's benefit because, like last year, he will complain we discovered the WR problem too late to do anything about it. More excuses from the blind faith.
Laverneus Coles in a Raider uniform making plays instead of Darius-Hands-of-Stone-Bey dropping balls at his feet?
That's a tough call.
Injury updates:
http://tinyurl.com/37eu7st
Campbell with wrist issue to be evaluated.
Bush may play the opener.
Schilens 3-6 weeks... here we go again!!!
You are right Gary. Exhibition games are relatively meaningless but it one of the few times in the off-season that teams play in game conditions.
Our 1st team defense minus Seymour was unable to stop RB Gore. Gore punished us between the tackles. If the Raiders had done a fair job in at least containing Gore's damage and minimizing his scampers into our secondary, I wouldn't have brought it up.
I just want to point out that until we solve our run issues in practice, in exhibition games, and in the real games, it is still a concern.
I guess we will all need to wait to see what kind of job our run D does against Chris Johnson and keeping Vince Young in the pocket. Should be a great test.
At least there weren't reports of our guys partying the night before and being completely unprepared for the game, as they were last year at this time.
I expect improvement this year. Eight wins or bust. And by bust, I mean grab the dynamite.
Eight wins, it's about time (a long time). GO RAIDERS.
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I just want to point out that until we solve our run issues in practice, in exhibition games, and in the real games, it is still a concern.
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No doubt... especially when i saw McClain emulate Morrison by taking on a blocker instead of going after the RB in that long run last week, but I see a LOT better LB play so far. IMO thats the key to long run stopping on this team because our free safety has no clue how to tackle or angles.
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I guess we will all need to wait to see what kind of job our run D does against Chris Johnson and keeping Vince Young in the pocket. Should be a great test.
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No doubt... we do ok (less than 120 yards) vs Johnson I have a lot of hope for our team vs the run.
Bengals cut ties with injury-plagued veteran WR Bryant...
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P.S. We still need a WR. I say
this for Gary's benefit because, like last year, he will complain we discovered the WR problem too late to do anything about it. More excuses from the blind faith.
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Gawd I soooo miss "THE RAIDERS SUCK AND ALWAYS WILL" discussions here.
NOT.
Go fuck yourself NYR.
See ya... I'll be back as the winning begins...
ITS = It's the scheme. Been trying to make this point, just too many deaf ears. Vanilla defense? That's a Raider trademark, been trying to tell ya, it's Al's defense.
Seymour isn't that big of a factor, he was run at plenty last year and was as guilty as anyone else for watching RB's run past him. Where is the new scheme everyone kept saying there was going to be?
Grad has to be the starter, hopefully Jason Campbell won't be able to go opening day. Grad owns that Offense. Murphy makes some drops but he is by far the best wideout. DHB does still look awkward catching, he isn't being DBL covered, he is hardly a threat. He might be a servicable guy but that's as far as his talent goes.
This years draft blows away any draft in years, some good solid depth for some years by the looks of it. Tom Kelly will make Seymour a better player this year. In his interview on the sidelines he said he lost THIRTY POUNDS. How the hell could he be allowed to be 30 lbs overweight last year?
JONES
According to the Radio broadcast and everything "Legitimate" that I read we had a few issues at "WR" late in the game...
"DHB" had one drop...
Murphy had one drop...
That one to Zack was a NO-Play due to penalty so it's officially removed from record....So amongst our starters we did very well....
In fact had only 2 implementations under "JC" and it was all right-on with "GradSki" until the back-ups came in...Of his 8 incomplete passes only 2 were to our starters...Now how damn much crying are you going to do about that...Realistically...
As a team we were 66% completion and had a 15yd ave per completion...Damn!...Now that is marked improvement in an area of concern and I find it extremely difficult to believe you can't see that...Our "RB"s had a 15yd ave per pass catch fo crying out loud...Don't you realize that's getting down-field intermediate to deep...Just what we feared we couldn't do...
The problems were in the run which we/I expected to be able to do....We couldn't...Not against "SF"s "D" who took that aspect away but gave up the deep so we showed them something and everyone else...Attack our run we attack you "DB"s...See if you can hang...
PantyRaider...Damn!...Such A Positive And The Gloom Is Too Damn Thick To See It!!!!/_
Hi Gary...Same old same old...Aside from "CJ" their wearing thick blinders and refuse to see any positive results...
Few Key Cable Comments From Interview
Cable: I want to look at it. There were some things from last night’s game that I was not pleased with but there were also a lot of good things at the center position. I think the fact that Samson is ready to go is the most important thing right now.
Cable: He’ll move back and forth.
Cable: I saw a guy playing center for the first time in this league. You got to learn where to put his helmet a little bit more consistently. When he did, it was pretty good stuff. So, there’s a lot to grow on. It was actually a pretty good effort by him.
Re: "WR" Core...
Cable: Well, I think there is some opportunity out there that we didn’t take advantage of, I mean a few drops. But I thought the group as a whole, would like to see more happen there at the end. We had a chance to really win the game even though there was just a little bit of time left and we didn’t get it done so… I think overall, I think the group is moving forward the right way. I’d just like to see a couple of more guys step up.
Re: Maybe Coles or Bryant?
Cable: We haven’t had any of those kind of discussions at this point. Right now, we’re more focused on our group and trying to find, really that fourth and fifth receiver. I think that’s really key for us right now.
PantyRaider...2 Areas Of Concern To Be Addressed!!!/_
More Need At "OT"...
Depth At "WR"...???...
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Spoke too soon...Now "DHB" drops it...
3 drops on this drive by 3 play
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That ball was tipped, I watched it in slow mo in high def... he caught every ball thrown to him untipped... and ran great routes.
Leave NYR for the knee jerk "ALL IS LOST" calls.
ThanYou Gary...
At least someone here has an honest set of eyes without thick blinders...
So much for the chocolate mint, Frank Gore served up a couple of smashing bashing runs right down the faida "d's" throat. The 49ers looked like crap with their prevent/zone defense, and they still beat the "powerful" faidas. Go figure, the faidas will make it 8 losing seasons before they make it 10 losing seasons, a new NFL record for ineptitude! 0-16 is the plan, just cringe baby, defund the nation, don't buy into big smell's plan to move the "teem" back to LA, that's what's gonna happen.
PR said: "According to the Radio broadcast and everything "Legitimate" that I read we had a few issues at "WR" late in the game..."
Only if you think early third quarter with the first team still playing was "late in the game."
Drops by Murphy, DHB and Miller (all starters).
Yeah. Jump up and down and scream I was wrong, then later admit it. Genius.
Hell, you even have Cable saying there were issues at WR. What will it take.
I repeat, there are plenty of WRs in the NFL that make those plays.
Gary said: "Go fuck yourself NYR."
What can I say? That pretty much says it all.
You're all class Gary.
Does your selective memory fail you? You don't remember having the same discussion about needing a vet WR last year? And you bitching that the Raiders had no options because they discovered the problem too late?
Now Schilens is out for who knows, and we face the same circumstances. But folks here pretend like nothing is wrong.
"That ball [to DHB] was tipped, I watched it in slow mo in high def... he caught every ball thrown to him untipped... and ran great routes."
So having a slightly tipped (if that's the case) short pass hit you in the hands and fall to the ground isn't really a drop?
Maybe Cable should check the wind velocity to make sure there's no more than a light breeze before sending DHB into the game.
Gary, you are very much like DHB. While top performers score 80 to 120 in a season, you're lucky to come up with 9.
9 Must be Your "IQ"...
I looked at the Video Highlights and "DHB" had top-n-Bottom coverage on his 1st reception and there were also 2 defenders in the area on his reception from "GradSki"...But despite the coverage "DHB" was wide open but had to sit down and wait for the ball...Not nearly on time..."JC" needs to get that corrected...Had it been on time there was room to run...No vids of the the other 2 passes thrown his way but I will take Gary's word on the matter way before I would listen to the "Doom-n-Gloom" report...
"CJ"...
I don't see what you evidently see...How was "DHB" awkward catching the ball...He had to wait too long so that didn't look good on the one but I don't detect anything alarming with his receptions...
Hay! Ass-Hole...2nd half in the pre-season is late in the damn game so stop the damn lies..."You said I said" Twisted BullShit...I'm damn tired of your lies about every damn thing I post...If ya can't get it straight don't get it at all...
"3 drops plus several times later" is no where close to what I posted from Coach cable and you damn sure know that...
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I mean a few drops. But I thought the group as a whole, would like to see more happen there at the end..............I’d just like to see a couple of more guys step up.
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He is talking about the second half and a few is 2-or-3 idiot...Not the 6 or so you claimed you saw...3 + Several = 6+....
Being more than one but indefinitely small in number....
And the problems he saw were late with other "WR"s not stepping up...NOT the damn starters...
PantyRaider...Ignorance Is Bliss!!!/_
Statistical look at the "Mulehead"s...
"O"...33% on 3rd dn...268yds...
Passing...15/26 140yds 2 INTs-n-2 sacks...
Orton 9/14 80yds 1 INT...
Rushing...28/128yds 4.6yd ave...
"D"...355yds...
Passing...16/30 205yds...3 INTs...
Big Ben 4/6 67yds...
Rushing...30/175yds 5.8yd ave...
Appears they found a running game but gave up chunks...Pitts played 4 "QB"s so the poor stats were from the scrubs-3 INTs..."Mule"s passing was poor...Still a one dimensional team...
PantyRaider...AFCW Don't Look So Strong!!!/_
"I looked at the Video Highlights and "DHB" had top-n-Bottom coverage on his 1st reception and there were also 2 defenders in the area on his reception from "GradSki"
It's called ZONE coverage. Still trying to feed your illusion that they DBL cover him? Now PantyWaste, want to ask you a question....how are you going to beat me up when we meet, with all your injuries? The judo flip, the steel beam falling on your head? The unable to grip with your hand? How does a 15 yr old fall in love with a cripple? Does anything in your world make sense?
JONES
Meet my ass bitch eye to eye...Be back in USAirSpace September...Like you have any gonads...
PR - picking a fight on the Internet... but he thinks I'm the one with a low IQ.
It was a reply to your shadow and yes you continue to demonstrate a very low "IQ" with your perpetual stupid/ridicules/absurd attempts to ferment arguments that go nowhere and have absolutely nothing of benefit to anything or anyone except to feed your personal "HateTrip"s -n- desires to bash Mr Davis...
Purely Sick on your part...
Waste got a major bonk to the noggin. So now I understand why he is like he is. His egg has been scrambled. His hate is so deep, he can't contain himself. His rambling, incoherence comes from an injury, I get it Waste and I forgive you.
JONES
"a very low "IQ" with your perpetual stupid/ridicules/absurd"
This is from a guy who can't even spell half the words he writes, it's RIDICULOUS, ridicules is what everyone does to you because of your silly arguments.
JONES
STUPID ESPN!
they titled this article "Great Debate: Can The Raiders Win The NFC West?"
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/22206/great-debate-would-raiders-win-nfc-west
i thought they could have one typo but the writer made the gaffe again in the caption under the video clip!
oops nevermind! I'M the STUPID one. i see what they're trying to do...
my bad guys...@ least i'm humble enought to admit i'm wrong... :o|
RT said,
"Eight wins, it's about time (a long time). GO RAIDERS"
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I agree RT. I'm watching this preseason, and will judge the regular season with the goal of 8 wins in mind. I think that is realistic.
However, I don't want to see 8 blowout losses either.
I want to see 16 competitive games by the Raiders.
We'll get to eight wins. We have to. We couldn't possibly extend the sub .500 streak to eight years, could we?
What will be funny when we win eight games is the chorus of "I told you so" from certain folks, as if taking eight years to reach .500 was perfectly acceptable and above severe criticism. Hah, hah.
We were supposed to win eight last year, and the year before and so on...Yet haven't even managed to reach six.
I know what "you" told me. You told me that this was fixed a long time ago, and here we are again, wondering and hoping that it finally is.
This year, I'm on board with eight to nine wins.
I find it odd that DHB is featured prominently, by himself, on the Raiders home page right now.
Louis Murphy has outperformed DHB by a mile, both last year and in this preseason.
I find it curious. Is it because of DHB's draft position? If not, then what? If yes, why?
Not being critical here, just baffled, seeking opinion.
DHB tripled his output of last year in ONE game, why wouldn't he be? He was the star of that game, the kid is blossoming...
He is the teacher's pet so to speak. Freakin Grad should be the focus, the guy went through 2 repaired knees, torn bicep and comes back and looks like a champ. But we all know he isn't one of the teacher's pets, so to speak. Gradkowski is the Raiders best player on Offense at this point. The players love him, he loves being a Raider, he should be the up and comer who is of focus. Grad better be the starter opening day or there is still "fishy things going on" in Alameda. Just like DHB, Campbell will start so to boost the teacher's rep, not for what is best for the TEAM.
JONES
Glad to read new posts. It gets old reading 1+1=16 from Stat Boy.
8 wins is a reasonable goal.
9 or more wins would be a bonus. Making the playoffs = winning the lottery.
8 wins was a precursor to fielding a championship team with Gruden, although the circumstances may not be as conducive right now. Of course, most losses back then were close games, and not blowouts.
If and when the Raiders post 8 or more wins, the “I told you so’s” will be flying. Shame on anyone who was critical of seven despicable seasons of ineptitude.
The whole DHB thing is bizarre. Folks here are quick to forget his failures last year and make excuses for his performance (then and now).
Like we should be less concerned about fielding quality WRs than perpetuating some pretense that there’s no problem entering a second straight season with DHB as an uncontested starter.
He’s had probably less than 6 pass attempts thrown his way during live action in 2010. Hardly fitting for a player in need of reps. Yet he’s been propped up like he’s the next Raider great. Talk about pressuring the kid.
Regarding Gradkowksi, it makes me sick he is not being given the opportunity to compete for starting QB.
Do the Raiders want to field their best players, or is that just something they feel the need to tell us on occassion?
"CJ"...
I don't see what you evidently see...How was "DHB" awkward catching the ball...He had to wait too long so that didn't look good on the one but I don't detect anything alarming with his receptions...
PR - My observations on DHB are based on last season and the few attempts this exhibition season.
When the ball is thrown to him, he does not look smooth or natural. It is more like he is fighting the ball and thinking too much about the moment. There are times when he jumps when he doesn't need to. There are times where he needs to move towards the QB a few steps to make the catch easier.
His awkwardness and poor technique is evident mostly by his poor body positioning, lack of field awareness, hand placement, football IQ, and his lack of confidence or pressing too hard.
Instead of reaching and confidently catching the ball with his hands, he lets the ball come into his body too easily or his body is at an odd angle to catch the ball. Instead of it being a natural flow of catching and then moving with the ball, he is herky-jerky in his body movements.
I think he is one of those WRs where if you get him a few receptions early, he gains confidence and starts to play more instinctively ... pitch and catch. As I said earlier, the best thing the Raiders could do is incorporate more short passes for DHB. Quick 3 step drops by Campbell and 5-7 yard curl and button hooks by DHB. This would be ideal on 1st downs. If he has a drop or disappears for a big chunk of the game, he thinks too much.
Last point:
Personally, I don't care if DHB's pass catching isn't textbook technique-wise AS LONG AS he catches the damn ball.
40+ receptions for DHB and 8+ wins should be baseline expectations in my book.
Scorpio...
True..Very true and having the ability to simply man-up is not common to all...
"CJ"...
True...I did see him jump a little and seem rather impatient when he was open but the ball was late...
Fortunately the "DB"s were well off him top-n-bottom and failed to make the effort to close that gap while he was waiting for the ball...That won't continue to happen with other "D"s...Hope they can get that timing down better...
SOME....
The "I Told You So" has already happened and is on-going...It's your own commitment to pain that's hanging you guys up...You can't get past last season or let go of your personal "HateTrip"s and acknowledge the absolute truth...
The "OldMan" -n- his assistants initiated a plan before Jan-1 and it's working...
Your still trying to find a way to take credit for your example of a "Billboard"...But this board has failed to dis-enable the Raiders in any way shape or form...
Moving right ahead the Al Davis way...
As a perfect example...The habitual crying about "DHB" getting Al's attention...Get over it...Your so bewildered by the fact that the "OldMan" is still standing and totally in charge that you strike out against a player...A starter...Someone we need to depend upon and has done nothing wrong EVER...Now how damn pathetic is that...
And yes!...With every damn game and every damn reception it's "Told You So" all over again...Your the losers here who find themselves in a position of rooting against a player because of your own stupidity -n- negative post that have filled this board with contempt for a draft pick you didn't like...Now how totally childish is that...
GO "JC"...Just to add to the multitude of tears these fools are crying...
Hell...I can remember when the "Snake" was traded for that jerk Pastreemy...Plunkett was there but waited in the background quietly without tears...When his chance finally came he led us to the promised land...And now that we finally have the appearance of possessing 2 qualified "QB"s who can lead this team all "Some" want to do is "CRY"!!!...
PantyRaider..."Trail-o-Tears" In The "Land-0-Fools"!!!!/_
First cuts are in but sense there is no real interest in what this team is doing why even waste time and energy posting it...
Not striking out against anyone. DHB isn't that good, just like Jamarcus isn't that good. I think what is being struck is the absurdity of trying to make them look good. There are better players that need to be the face of the franchise, that isn't so unreasonable, is it?
Being struck is that the person calling the shots shouldn't be putting his ego above the team, is that unreasonable? Is fawning over his every move unreasonable?
I think you are just confused, it's ok, you are forgiven. I hear Vitamin C is good for rebuilding braincells, Good Luck, waste.
JONES
"GO "JC"...Just to add to the multitude of tears these fools are crying..."
You see? Why do you want the 2nd best QB to start? Just to spite people? It's not what is best for the Raiders, Grad is. Why are you so against what is best for the TEAM? I know getting hit in the head makes you dizzy, but, what side are you on?
JONES
Murphy is the clear cut #1 WR. Having said that ...
What Raider fan doesn't want to see a heated, legitimate battle for the #2, #3, and #4 WRs? I don't count the #5 and #6 because these players rarely see the field besides special teams.
As it stands, our WR corps is a joke. DHB is a starter purely be default, his draft position, the press release, and adorning the Raiders.com website. He didn't earn Jack $hit. Our #3 WR is who? JLH? Ford?
Make no mistake ... veteran WRs will be cut before now and Sept. 4th. The question is whether Cable/Davis are serious about upgrading the WR group and winning in 2010.
To act like the current group is "A-ok" is the equivalent of putting your head in the sand. If I hear Cable say one more time that he is fine with the current group, I have to question his desire to keep his job beyond 2010.
Let's not look back on 2010 and say "what if" ... creating healthy competition is ALWAYS the best interest in the TEAM.
Quite frankly, I think the Raiders would be just as productive with Nick Miller playing more reps. than DHB. That is the sad state we are in. If Nick Miller receives the reps. in 2010 that DHB received in 2009, I would bet my last dollar that he would produce 3x+.
Sidney Rice goes down, Vikings immediately trade for Greg Camarillo (105 receptions over last two years). Someone forgot to tell the Vikings that veteran WR stop-gaps were unavailable.
I think Miller should be ahead of DHB, Miller needs to be used more. He should be a 3rd WR, the guy can make plays. Maybe the "teacher" thinks he's too short? Just want guys who makes plays, forget where they were drafted or not.
Micheal Bennett should be used heavy in the last game of preseason to see between him and Cartwright. Would rather see Bennett, Dmac might get hurt again, will need Bennett. Keep Van at C, Satele sucks. Murphy, Miller(?), Zach TE, Grad at Qb, Mario is scary inconsistent. Routt might win a corner spot. Change the DC, oh yeah, he's da bossman.
JONES
So is Javon Walker, another veteran receiver -- albeit, reclamation project -- the Vikings picked up this week in hopes of filling the void made by Rice,....Walker, meanwhile, hasn't caught a pass since Week 10 of the '08 season, during which he grabbed a total of just 15 passes after signing a $55 million contract (with $16 million guaranteed) with the Oakland Raiders in what easily was one of the worst acquisitions in the history of free agency.
Damn now "RT" are you applauding this one too...Or are you too selective when you want to praise another team in opposition to our own...Anything to bash Al Right...
in exchange for cornerback Benny Sapp...
WoW!...Such a high price to pay...
On November 20, 2008, Camarillo signed a three-year, $6 million contract extension. Three days later, he caught what would be his fourth and final touchdown of the season as later on he suffered a torn ACL against the New England Patriots and was subsequently placed on season-ending injured reserve.
So damaged goods and they get out of that high contract money...Damn...Sure wish Old Al would do something great like that...
Ya ever hear of desperation moves...He was prolley going to get cut...
PantyRaider...Undrafted Exchange Now Viewed On This Board As The Deal of The Century!!!/_
"CJ"...
For the record we just saw our "O" produce 295yds passing -w- 66% completions at 15yd ave per...That's just a matter of fact...Just for the record...And "DHB" had 3 of those receptions for damn good yardage...
So tell me...Where do you see the greatest glaring need...
"WR" vet depth...
"C" starter...
"LT" starter...
Just curious...But I would say pursuing a "C" from Pitts might be a logical move or making some sort of deal for that hold out "PB" "LT" in "SD"...
But by all means just keep beating that damn drum Baby!!!...
PantyRaider...Old Al Ain't Listening/Reading!!!/_
Who knows, Walker may do well in Minny. Perhaps the Vikes will use him instead of placing him in purgatory.
Besides, it wouldn't be the first time a WR left the Raiders with his tail between his legs, then put up big numbers. At least the Vikings are trying to compensate for losing Rice.
Schilens has been injured for two years, and the Raiders still seem oblivious to it.
DHB has 9 career receptions (with numerous drops), and perhaps 6 pass attempts through three preseason games.
As CJ said, DHB hasn't earned a damn thing.
Yet, he is the unquestioned starter. If there's a logical explanation, I can't find it.
What would be wrong with him earning the starting role, or simply easing him into the fray as he progresses.
DHB has become the "new" scholarship player. It's like scholarship on steroids!
J-Mac: "An educated guess _ sounds like the head coach got a lecture about being too forthcoming about injuries. Another educated guess _ Al Davis would have much rather have heard Cable say Bush’s thumb was “sore” rather than fractured and not mentioned that Chaz Schilens would be out three to six weeks."
http://tinyurl.com/2wfdakq
The cone-of-silence is still working hard.
Q: Does the cone-of-silence mean that issues get handled internally, or does everybody in the organization have to keep mum and nothing gets done?
Yeah, Camarillo was so damaged that he started all 16 games last year and caught 55 balls, far more than anyone on the Raiders caught.
I'm not "bashing the old man." I'm bashing those of you who, for more than a year, have been whining that there are no veteran stop-gaps available at wide receiver. The Vikings found a solid one within a few days, and that's with Berrian, Harvin and Lewis all active.
Meanwhile, we're still groping around for a #3: "I think there's a number of guys," Cable said. "I think Yamon Figurs has stepped it up."
As for Javon Walker, so they needed an extra pair of hands for practice and someone to compete for a spot on the roster. If they don't pay him a several million dollars to catch zero balls (like the Raiders did last year), I don't see any harm in that.
Broncos cut RB Justin Fargas
Typical fuckin hypocrisy on this board...
A #1 draft choice gets the start without earning it in the minds of "Some"...
How does he earn it if you won't let him play...
A #1 draft choice isn't getting his reps because that other proven player is getting his...
That proven player is gone so now that #1 draft choice was a waste because he was a little lame...
There you have "DHB"-n-"D-Mac" who have been the continued targets of the crap here...
So now do we have to listen to "Some" beating a drum about how great Walker really was...Oh! Damn!...Now it's really getting too deep...The Raiders ruined his wonderful career....
You are about as dumb as dumb gets...Stop...Your making a complete baboon of yourself and it just ain't pretty CryBaby!!!/_
"RT"...
better check your stats...
he started all 16 games last year and caught 55 balls
2009 Miami Dolphins 16/16 Games/starts 50rec 552yds 0 TDs....
2010 game records...
week #1...Zip...
week #2...Zip..
Week #3...4-47yds showcased for a trade...
Damn!...And you just wish the hell we had him with all that tremendous talent...Not getting a little desperate are you...
PantyRaider...NO...Just Bashin as usual!!!..
Vikings top three WRs in 2009
Rice ...83 rec
Harvin ...60 rec
Berrian ...55 rec
Raiders top three WRs in 2009
Murphy...34 rec
Schilens ...29 rec
JLH ...19 rec
When Rice goes down, the Vikings add two vet WRs to help pick up the slack. But when Schilens is out for the second year in a row, the Raiders do nothing.
How does that make sense to anyone?
Yet, we even mention the Raiders' bizarre inaction at WR here and we're bashing Al Davis.
...more mental masturbation to go with 1+1=16.
PR said: "Typical fuckin hypocrisy on this board...
PR: "A #1 draft choice gets the start without earning it in the minds of "Some"..."
PR: "How does he earn it if you won't let him play..."
PR: "A #1 draft choice isn't getting his reps because that other proven player is getting his..."
PR: "That proven player is gone so now that #1 draft choice was a waste because he was a little lame..."
_________
Huh? Unbelievable! Is this guy for real?
...without earning it in the minds of "some"?
Ok, Stat Boy. I'll bite. Show me the stats that remotely suggest DHB has earned the starting role.
You're whole world revolves around stats. Show me the stat!
Vikes rookie WR last year had 60 rec. DHB had 9.
And it's not the fans that won't let him earn it, it's the Raiders. DHB should be out there getting reps in live action. Instead, he's receiving Pro Bowl verteran status on the sideline. Hell, I would guess Nnamdi has had more playing time this preseason than DHB.
DHB was held out of practice for a week and a game for fatigue. Are you F'in kidding?!!!
And who is the "other proven player" getting DHB's reps? Raiders don't have a single "proven" WR, unless you think 34 career rec's qualifies as "proven."
Do you think before you write?
Yes, when our coach is suggesting Yamon Figurs (3 career receptions in four years) as a viable #3, I do wish we had the "talent" (who said "tremendous?") of a guy who's grabbed 105 balls over the past two years.
Sometimes I think you hate the Raiders, the way you pimp and defend their most obvious shortcomings.
"with the Oakland Raiders in what easily was one of the worst acquisitions in the history of free agency.
Damn now "RT" are you applauding this one too...Or are you too selective when you want to praise another team in opposition to our own...Anything to bash Al Right"
So, here is Waste saying that a player Al signed is "one of the worst aquisitions in history"...then goes on to say others are bashing Al. He then goes on to say how much hypocrisy there is on here.
Please forgive him, for he does not know, his mind is scrambled, his back is all screwed up, it stops blood from reaching his brain, poor guy. It's ok Waste, I understand.
JONES
Just checking in with some quick hits on the first half. I was wrapped up with Grandson of H over the weekend, so I just sat down and watched the first half.
The run defense was schizophrenic. At times it looked like a reinforced steel wall and occasionally like a New Orleans Levy. Michael Huff is the weakest link there. When it was his responsibility he just wasn’t there. His coverage skills are pretty good, but tackling in run support just isn’t there. You can’t just use your shoulder and expect to bring the guy down. Maybe move him to CB.
Houston, at this point, is ahead of McClain, but his duties and responsibilities on the defense are not as complicated at the moment. Though McClain is holding his own thus far, there hasn’t been anything spectacular.
Bush is still looking like the #1 running back. The fracture shouldn’t keep him out of the opener. McFadden still looks better going outside and in the passing game, and he still has a propensity to go down too easy when running between the tackles. Marcel Reese looks good as a receiver at FB, but needs to be a little stouter when lead blocking.
The seam route to Murphy was a thing of beauty. When they made a mistake on defense Gradkowski made them pay. He hit Murphy in stride. Murphy, without a doubt, has Pro Bowl potential.
DHB’s three catches were encouraging. The first one he caught in his body, the second with his hands. Don’t remember the third one.
The fight Kelly started was because he was being held by not one but two San Fransissy linemen.
During the Whiners TD drive we weren’t playing our starting CB’s. But, Walter McFadden did have a couple of good moments. Some of their completions were at Jeremy Ware.
The refs were a bit inconsistent. They missed a few holding calls on both teams and made a phantom call on Nnamdi. He had his hands on the receiver legally and released him within the five yard limitation. Also, on the sack of Campbell, unless it was my medication, it looked like Henderson may have false started and was out of sync. Even if he is expecting a flag, he needs to go through the play in its entirety. But, I’ll have to watch the replay again to be sure.
I did like the way they played with intensity and never quit. Vlad did some good things at center, but he’s still a rookie and it showed, though he did look a little better in pass blocking than Satele.
At least the quarterback situation looks way better this year. The defense has its moments, but needs more consistency. From a personal standpoint I know most folks are concerned about the receivers, and Laveranues Coles is on the market now, but I’m more inclined to put the O-line ahead of receivers. With the upgrade at QB, we need to keep them upright.
Just some first impressions, didn’t get time to read all 120 or so entries. But, I do see a better team this year.
Also, today will be my last day for a few weeks. Got a lot of crap to get done the next two weeks. I’m going under the knife to fuse a lumbar disc. Haven’t had a day without pain in several years. The doc thinks he can get me 70-80% relief. Looking forward to that, but I’ll be laid up for 3-6 weeks. But, hey, at my age something is always hurting.
A shout out to Blanda, hope things are going well.
H
H - do yourself a favor and don't read this thread. Stick with what was a fair analysis on your part regarding the game. Nobody here would take that and say you were climbing out on any limbs.
Good luck with your back.
NYRaider,
Thanks,I've reached a point where I'm too ready for the season to get into disagreements. I just want to see if the improvements will bear fruit.
H
(in reference to DHB) PR said, "How does he earn it if you won't let him play..."
LOL! I will tell you how he earns a starter's position:
* He earns by being not being too "fatigued".
* He earns it by how he runs routes and catches balls in practice.
* He earns it by being highly involved in meetings and film study.
* But most importantly, and to the point, he earns it by his performance on the field as a rotational, situational WR.
Let's give DHB the benefit of the doubt and pre-suppose he is entitled to the #3 WR spot on the depth chart.
Taking it further, as the situational, rotational #3 WR he would get opportunities to get a fair number of reps. and playing time.
If, and this a BIG if, DHB performs well when on the field, his reps. and playing time goes up proportionally.
IF, and this is a BIG if, DHB performs better than the #1 or #2 WRs, he earns a starters role.
PR - It isn't all or nothing, black or white. DHB can be worked into the passing game. The choice isn't starter or parked on the bench with his parka. It is starter or part-time player.
What is truly pathetic is that if DHB was in fact the #3 WR and not a scholarship starter, who would the Raiders run out as the #2 WR for 2 WR sets? Yamon Figurs?
Because the Raiders do not have any experienced, proven WRs on the payroll, DHB is being given the starter's role by default and draft status not production.
08/31/2010 Released TE Eric Butler
"H"...
The procedures have changed allot recently...Is it being done by the VA...The old way is to remove bone from the hip to make splints but the new way is the "Cage" and your up much quicker...Mine was a fractured vertebrae that slipped and self-fused but not in it's original position...But I have more fear of the knife than the pain so have not gone under...Have enough scar tissue now that it's not as big an issue as before...
Take care and see you on the other side...There isn't much here worth discussing...Same old "BS" Negativity as before...They never fail to find fault with our team/management...As if they know anything...
Hell...Even when it's demonstrated on the field they still can't/don't see it...
Improvement...Just open your damn eyes...
And I agree the "OL" is more in need of attention and there are players who may be available but they don't want to go there because now it's all "Doom-n-Gloom" at "WR" despite 295yd @ 15yd per rec ave -n- 66% completion....Go freakin figure...
Nope....Their all too damn worried about some useless stats...The "WR"s don't have enough receptions...Well if they played with a "QB" who wasn't wearing that plastic glue sack over his head during the game they would prolley have bigger #'s in the "STATS" book...
Stats-Stats-Stats....That's all the hell they got but totally ignore any recent production...Pure stupidity....
And than they bitch because I keep posting positive STATS....
PantyRaider...A Vacation From This Stupid Crap Would Be Welcome!!!/_
"CJ"...
#1...Over half of what you posted is irrelevant because there has been every indication that "DHB" is a good attentive student and has applied himself to improve...
#2...The issue here is that you don't draft high in the 1st rd for depth...You fully expect that player to be a starter...
#3...His lack of production is directly related to piss poor gameplans and weird "QB" play and that my friend is totally indisputable...
#4...And "DHB" is not nor prolley will ever be the #1 "WR" on this team simply by design...He fits and was drafted as the "Stretch The Field" "WR" in the form of Cliff Branch not the possession type #1 like Freddie/Timmy...
Therefor...The competition will never be between Murphy -n- "DHB" for playing time simply because they can't do each others jobs...And "DHB" will never be Chaz and likewise Chaz will never be that "Stretch WR" that this team likes to employ...No more than Brown could have become the "Jet"...
For "Some" here they just need to grip the issues realistically instead of all that wasted energy projecting some other franchise onto this one...
PantyRaider...We Ain't Never Gona Be The Damn "HornHead"s!!!/_
"NYR"...
Go Fuck Yourself...
I'm Totally Disgusted With Your Continued Damn Insecurities Projected In Stupidity....
"PantyRaider...A Vacation From This Stupid Crap Would Be Welcome!!!/"
Who's stopping you? Please do, a nice LONG vacation. This site would then be able to get over that low bar you have set, Waste.
JONES
PR said: "NYR"...
Go %$@# Yourself...
I'm Totally Disgusted With Your Continued Damn Insecurities Projected In Stupidity...."
________
Does that mean you couldn't find the stat to prove me wrong?
________
PR: "...you don't draft high in the 1st rd for depth...You fully expect that player to be a starter..."
________
You mean like JaMarcus Russell?
________
PR: "His [DHB's] lack of production is directly related to piss poor gameplans and weird "QB" play and that my friend is totally indisputable..."
_________
Oh, it's disputable.
What about the perfectly thrown Gradkowski pass DHB deflected off his hands for a KC interception that cost the game?
99% chance DHB plays maybe one series against Seattle, then is sent to the sideline like a Pro Bowl vet.
This guy is a like a museum piece. Look, but don't touch.
In the end, DHB will have made 3-4 completions in the entire preseason following a season with 9 rec in 11 starts (from 25-30 attempts).
One blogger I read called DHB the “NFL’s highest paid sprinter.”
That blogger forgot to mention DHB's blocking skills.
I guess I just don't understand how being a fan of the Raiders translates to supporting and virtually celebrating the team's shortcomings.
The wide receiver situation is a perfect example. What good does it do for me to pretend that we've done a good job of creating depth at WR when we clearly haven't?
What good does it do for me to scoff at the Vikings for getting a guy with 105 receptions over the past two years to compete for their #3 slot when our own coach is suggesting that a guy with three career catches in four years is our potential #3?
Would that make me more of a fan? A better fan?
The Leinart rumor
– Got an e-mail tip from someone saying they knew someone else who said Jason Campbell’s wrist injury was more serious than the Raiders were letting on and the Leinart option was being explored.
Say's he wants to start over in OakTown????...
Very simple "RT"...
Coach likes his player and is not interested in that UDFA who caught 105 balls but totally disappears in several games and is already damaged goods...Look at his game records...What the hell are you so impressed with...
Meanwhile we have "WR"s who are producing at a rate of 66% completions -w- a 15yd per rec ave and have great size/speed/athletic abilities that translate well to this teams plans...What more do you want...
And stop crying about last seasons damn stats...NO "WR" would have produced good stats in that "O" with that "QB" and that playcaller/gameplan -n- total lack of adjustments...
There is "OL" help out there...Should we pull the trigger on a body that protects our "QB"s...
PantyRaider..."OT" In "SD" -n- "C" In Pitts!!!/_
Hell...Most here wouldn't even make the sacrifice to get that "PB" "WR" out of "SD" but will cry to no end about it...
Who said I'm overly impressed? I guess I'm impressed by the fact that last year he caught more passes than Murphy and DHB combined, but you're right, that's still pretty unimpressive, all things considered.
All I know is that whenever we suggest that the Raiders should go out and get some solid veteran help at WR, the cry goes out that no one is available. So I simply pointed out how the Vikings found someone within 48 hours.
Next thing I know, you have me casting a Hall of Fame vote for Greg Camarillo. Nice try.
I'm sure that before the Vikings went after Camarillo, they inquired about Yamon Figurs. Yeah, sure they did.
The stats never lie... err, i.e., until they demonstrate that the Raiders are taking unnecessary risk at WR.
The risk is hardly befitting a team with a new QB, and one that would like to pull themselves from the depths of their loss streak record.
Why would the Raiders be interested in Matt Leinart ?
So not only do Raiders have a nice collection of their own first round flops.
But now, Raiders are seeking other teams first round flops as well.
And they want to compensate them to boot.
When does this madness end ??
The Raiders have published a vociferous denial of any interest in Leinart on their web site.
Of course, the Raiders never try to clarify the public record, because I've been told it's futile. So maybe I was hallucinating.
Selective denials. This rumor is out of left field, and it gets quick attention.
Here's an excerpt from the statement on their website:
"The Raiders are very happy about their quarterback situation."
Ok. That's half the puzzle. How about the WRs?
If Schefter would just make up some bogus story about the WRs, maybe we could get the "real" story posted on the Raiders' website.
#2...The issue here is that you don't draft high in the 1st rd for depth...You fully expect that player to be a starter...
True ... when you draft a player at #8 and the 1st player in his position group, you fully expect said player to be a starter. If you add the word 'productive' before starter, I'm 100% in agreement.
Any Top 10 draft pick is expected to be an impact player from day 1. When have you ever heard of an organization drafting a player this high and investing $20+M as a project? Even a 2nd rounder is expecting to produce sooner rather than later.
Your statements are in harmony with giving DHB a starter's position based on draft status NOT earning it.
"CJ"...
How the hell can you put the word "Productive" in this case when as I remember "DHB" went down to injury prior to "GradSki" taking over...Was "DHB" as a "Rookie" somehow expected to be productive in the most unproductive "O" in history while no one else could...
Just explain to me how he was suppose to over come the "GlueFactory" "QB" -n- Piss-Poor Gameplans-n-Playcalling/Adjustments all on his little own and become "Productive"...Not to mention the supper deficiencies on the "OL"..Can you say total collapse!!!...
So why the hell would we judge anyone's stats based on those games...Sometimes the situation needs to be taken into account when you post stats...What were Murphy's #'s threw the 1st few games -w- the "PurpleHaze" (60's Acid) playing...Or Chaz-n-Zack for that matter...Didn't the majority of their statistical production came after "PurpleHaze" Crashed (Came Down)...
So virtually all our "WR" stats need to have the characterizing (*) after them to denote NOT the fault of the "WR" core...I mean...Who would have been "Productive" in that...
The great Jerry Rice takes the ball and throws it to himself downfield for the supper catch -n- score...Ya! Right!...What else was there as a possibility....
Murphy played better than "DHB" in that situation and he was drafted later..OK...So freakin what...They are different types of players and fit differently into the gameplans...That's to be expected comparing a possession type "WR" to a speed stretch type "WR"...
Maybe now we will get more of a balance between those positions but if not I'm not going to get all bent over it...As long as our "O" is productive with the talent we have on that football field I'm totally kool with it regardless of who does more or less...
I didn't see the game but from the highlights "SF" must have been playing a deep zone with "DHB" in the game because at the time of the catch he was covered top-n-bottom...All our "WR"s appeared to be very open and it was said the "DB"s were giving "DHB" the "Speed Cushion"...So even when he was not the primary receiver he still has an influence on what happens in that "D-backfield" and that's the total of his value as a player along with blocking...
When they bite too heavy deep "DHB" should be give a short rout and be wide open....Break it off and the "DB" doesn't have time to recover...
PantyRaider...Future GamePlans!!!/_
For the record I took "The Leinart rumor" as a freakin joke and posted it as such...I just think it's funny with all the habitual crying about getting help at "WR" that the Raiders might be interested in a failure at "QB" instead...
Looks like it had the desired effect...
PantyRaider...Always Ready To Help!!!/_
Great...Now Gruden is trying to get in on the act and jinx us but good...
Gruden can see Raiders atop West
PantyRaider...Lord Have Mercy!!!/_
Well "RT" you boy said it so now you supportin or still in denial...
"The Raiders should be excited. I don't just say this being former a Raider myself, but I do like their defense," Gruden said on a conference call. "If you look at their front seven, I know all the years I was coaching, I'd love to have that group. Adding guys like (Kamerion) Wimbley, (John) Henderson, trading for Richard Seymour, (having) Tommy Kelly, getting (Richard) McClain in the first round. That's a good front seven. (Nnamdi Asomugha is) arguably one of the top corners in all of football. I like everything about their defense. And I think I should. These are talented football player.
"Jason Campbell, between he and Bruce Gradkowski, will do the thing they need to do win there with this defense -- protect the ball. They have maybe the best punter in history. And I'm not kidding you. His statistics make Ray Guy look normal. Shane Lechler is an equalizer. Janikowksi can put points on the board.
"They're going to be outstanding in the kicking game, very good on defense. And if they can take care of the ball, run the ball and develop a couple of these young offensive linemen — and I've heard good things about some of their sleepers that they in camp -- I think they can win the division. I really do. I like the Raiders a lot."
Pre-Perjection of who may get cut...
http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders/ci_15967219
I disagree on Rock Cartwright over Michael Bennett..."MB" has shown allot more in these games and continues to make progress...
PantyRaider...Important Scrubs Game Coming Up!!!/_
"CrapTree" is already in the middle of a team feud....How far will it go towards disrupting their team...
Damn...Sure wish we had drafted that punk...
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81a2f672/article/singletary-on-daviscrabtree-spat-the-elephant-was-exposed?module=HP_headlines
Just something positive from nfl.com...
Vic Carucci
Jason Campbell dramatically improves an offense that was desperate for competence under center. The draft makes the defense instantly better.
Prediction: 10-6, second in AFC West
Jason La Canfora
Major upgrades at QB and to the coaching staff. One of the biggest DLs in the NFL and quality individual talent. They finally start to jell.
Prediction: 9-7, second in AFC West
3 said 8-8 but Lombardi posted 7-9...
PantyRaider...I'm Down -w- 10-n-6 AFCW Champs!!!/_
PR -
Excuses! Excuses! Excuses!
You don't quit.
DHB wasn't injured until after Gradkowski took over, and not before he had an opportunity to deflect a critical pass (INT) into the hands of KC to avert what would have been another tremendous comeback by Grad.
So if DHB's job is to help the Raiders win games, he's 0 wins and 1 loss.
And for the record, our 4th round pick had 34 receptions, so the offense wasn't so dysfunctional as to be completely void of ANY passing attack... as DHB's number would imply.
So stop patting DHB and the Raiders on the back for nothing. Until he puts up some numbers and helps this team win, your BS rhetoric is meaningless.
Kudos to Levi “Dizzle” Damien for setting some fans (the enablers) straight.
“Sure, this team needs our support. But it also needs our criticism. And they absolutely do NOT need excuses. “
“It's as if when a player puts on the Raider uniform, he is forgiven of all his faults. That seems completely backwards to me. The moment a player dons the Silver and Black is when we should all expect them to be at their best. To accept less and make excuses for them only invites complacency and a losing attitude.”
“Excuses are not what this team needs. And after 7 straight 11+ loss seasons, there is almost no room for benefit of the doubt. As happy as everyone may be about the offseason, this team still has to go out on the field in a regular season game and prove it.”
This is a MUST READ for PantyRaider!
http://tinyurl.com/2cj23np
And here I was told by PantyRaider that the "mediots" are all dumbasses. Then he tells me to listen to Carucci, Canfora and Gruden.
"NYR"...
Stop all the damn crying...No one is listening any more...And just read -n- weep what you boy wonder said...Go argue with that...
NO..You just try to ignore it as usual every time there is something positive about my Raiders...
Yours is a losing battle but you still can't just let go Baby!!!...
That's right "RT"...
I don't trust a damn "Mediot"....Not a one but you are in love with that Bitch so I just rubbed his words in your face...Like it or not it's you who gets to eat crow Baby!!!...
With The Following I Disagree...
WAITING FOR RELEASE (13)
QB Colt Brennan
Complete List @...
http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2010/09/02/breaking-down-the-final-cut/
PantyRaider...Consider Something Constructive For A Change!!!/_
As if you can on your "Trail-0-Tears" in your "Land-0-Doom"...
PR -
I'm not the one crying, you are. You have to because your stats don't back up your words.
"Dizzle" is writing about YOU.
Your excuses far exceed even the Raiders' company line. Hell, Tom Cable's public assessments of his own players are more realistic than yours, and he's sugarcoating it.
Stop making excuses.
And why do you hate Gruden so much? Is that now your interpretation of the company line?
Match-Up Stats As Reference: Scrubs Game...
Raiders "O" = #13...
Pass #8...
Run #15..
Scoring #8...
SeaChicken "D" = #27...
Pass # 16...
Rush #29...
Sacks #14...
Scoring #22...
"TD"s #22...
"INT"s #2...
Analysis: Raiders Scrubs should be able to move the ball both on the ground and threw the air and should be able to score...The only thing that needs attention is ball protection due to high #2 "INT"s...
SeaChicken "O" = #23...
Pass #8...
Run #29...
Scoring #21...
Raiders "D" = #10...
Pass #2...
Rush #30...
Sacks #3...
Scoring #12...
"TD"s #6...
"INT"s #12...
Analysis: SeaChickens Scrubs will have trouble rushing the ball because our "D" isn't as bad as it's stats project...They will prolley be able to throw but with limited success and their "QB"s will be under assault...Scoring will be their toughest problem in the RedZone...
PantyRaider...Scrub Projection!!!/_
Go to your room and pout...If your good maybe you can have some ice cream after the game...
NO...That's just NOT possible for you...Just go and lock the damn door...
1 rule for the "crew"......
JONES
LOL! PR uses stats to demonstrate how the Raiders will beat the Seahawks tonight, but in reference to the Raiders' run D being ranked #30, he says this:
"SeaChickens Scrubs will have trouble rushing the ball because our "D" isn't as bad as it's stats project."
What was it that RT said?
"Retrofit failure with success"
Truly amazing!
Hay! Stupid...Did you bother looking at the Run Stats or just pull that one out of your ass...
"O" Run #29...Against "D" Run #30...
Damn!...Now that one really was difficult to get a hold of wasn't it silly boy...
Give it up!
29 minus 30 is still negative 1.
And "hay" is for horses.
The game will prove me correct...What the hell do you have...Hay!....
So Childish....
Make your projection -n- see if you can hang...
Oh! Hay!..That was a challenge...
The Seattle Seahawks like their emerging wide receivers and have made it know that veteran T.J. Houshmandzadeh, a top free-agent signing by their prior regime in 2009, is available, league sources said Thursday.
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The starters are out..."DHB" will be limited as will Houston but otherwise the starters are out on both sides of the ball....
As I projected this is a "Scrubs" game and that's exactly what I forecast...Our "Srubs" are deeper than theirs...
Here's hoping to see "Colt"...
"GradSki" starts...
Oh! Damn!..."DHB" drops one already...
Oh!..."GradSki" was throwing it away...That's what you do when you want to throw it away...Throw it at "DHB"...
Ha! Ha!...I just love it...
Oh! Shit!..."DHB" drops another but there is a flag and 1st dn Raiders...
Pass inter....
"TD" Raider...Dump-Off to the "FB"...
Can I say told ya so....
Ha! Ha! I just love it...
Lookie Lookie...NO room to run...Our #30 Rush "D" is stopping their #29 Rush "O"...
Just as I projected...
Damn!...This is so much fun...
2 3-n-outs...
WoW!...Did you see that big one to "DHB"...He's a "PB"er...
Oh! damn now DHB" drops another one...Well only by "Some"s definition...
"FG"...10-Zip!!!...
Yup!...Need "Jano" in there...Gave up a "FG" with this scrub...But lookie here...That #29 Rush "O" still can't move the chains against our #30 Rush "D"....
Just like I called it...Oh! So much fun...
Yup!...Yup!...It's all coming together now...3-n-out but the "ST" shows up....
Oh!...Lookie here...Myers can catch the ball...
Damn "DHB" "TD" taken away...He must have dropped that damn ball...
"TD" any damn way so stick that ups you ass....Ha! Ha! Ha!....
Just as I called it....17-3...
"SeaChickens" don't have a 1st dn yet....
Look Out!...Here it comes...1st qrt Stats...
................SEA....OAK
First Downs 3 5
Total Yards 93 88
Passing Yards 69 82
Rushing Yards 24 6
Penalties (Yds) 4(51) 1(5)
Turnovers 1 0
Punts (AVG) 2(39) 1(46)
Time of Pos. 8:19 6:41
Just as I called it...Ha! Ha! Ha!...
NO "TD"s...Can't push it in against our "Scrub"s "D"..."FG"...17-6...
Are they kickin our asses yet...
Well Damn!...We can't run again...
#15 rush "O" getting stopped by the #29 Rush "D"...
Not what I projected...
"MM" is the new Intimidator....
"TD" "SeaChicken"s...The long pass got threw...Also they started to make some progress running the ball...Our "D" Scrubs suck!!!...
But Wait...It was those damn "Zebra"s...They refused to give our "D" the "TO"...That sucks...
"Zebra"s Suck..."Zebra" Sucks...Suckin "Zebra"....
Damn...All is lost....17-13...
Have we won eight games yet?
2:00 warning but my damn Stats are just blowing up...How can I handle this nightmare...I might be proved wrong by the stats because my scrubs can't stop their #1 "OL"....And we're against their "D" starters while ours are out this whole game...
Oh! da Horror!!....da Horror!!!......
"FG"...17-16...But we will win the 1st half anyway...Ha! Ha! Ha!....
Have no fear...We will....We will...
10-n-6 baby!!!....
M Huff as "WR"....
Dumb Ass at nfl.com posted M. Huff as the receiver...Damn!...Now how stupid was that...
ThankYou "Zebra" Bitch...Saved the "TD"....
1st half stats....
.............SEA....OAK
First Downs 11 7
Total Yards 262 138
Passing Yards 208 122
Rushing Yards 54 16
Penalties (Yds) 6(76) 2(10)
Turnovers 1 0
Punts (AVG) 2(39) 4(40)
Time of Pos. 17:09 12:46
Not as I predicted when it comes to us running the ball and they were able to run behind their "OL" later in the half...
Oh! Well!...We got's "Score Board Bitch!".....
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Said you can see this game...I'm checking it out now...
Raiders offense with zero rushing first downs, and the defense projected to give up 524 total yards.
Good thing they caught a break on the would be TD to end the half.
Very ugly.
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Oh! You Crying Bitch....
We started without our #1's on "D" -n- "O" while they did not...
What a total puke!...
More excuses! Go back and read your predictions Stat Boy.
What the hell is this...
1-10-SEA 3 (11:40) M.Bennett up the middle to OAK 9 for -88 yards (J.Pawelek, K.Chancellor).
2-98-OAK 9 (11:10) M.Bennett left end to OAK 24 for 15 yards (K.Ellison, K.Chancellor).
This guy at nfl.com is a total idiot...
1-10-SEA 16 (9:13) J.Losman pass short right to J.Carlson for 84 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
Now I'm totally confused....
1-10-SEA 16 (9:13) K.Boller pass short right to N.Miller for 16 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
Bitch must be on the "Purple Drank" like "Some"....
24-16....
I am convinced that Nick Miller is a better WR than DHB. Two preseason games this year in which Miller made a tough catch for a TD. And he was better in preseason last year.
Just Have Another "Purple Drank" Baby...What will you be convinced of next....
"What will you be convinced of next...."
You really want me to answer that?
Your question pretty much says it.
"DHB" gained 15 lbs in off season by working out...No wonder he was suffering with fatigue caring all that extra weight with such speed...
Hopefully, he didn't gain all that weight in his hands. They were already heavy enough.
3rd Qrt Stats Show exactly what I said it would...
..............SEA.....OAK
First Downs 13 13
Total Yards 262 317
Passing Yards 201 228
Rushing Yards 61 89
Penalties (Yds) 7(81) 7(48)
Turnovers 1 0
Punts (AVG) 4(41) 5(40)
Time of Pos. 22:37 22:10
Notice The Raiders have 89yds rushing but they have only 61...
Notice the Raiders have 228yds passing to theirs 201...
Notice the Raiders are up 24-16 and about to score again....
You are a freakin trip...What a crier...
B Myers dropped the "TD"....Fire that bastard because he's fuckin up my stats..."FG"....27-16...
yawn ... Sept. 12 is circled on my calendar with a big FAT red marker.
This is when we will know more about judging the off-season and hopefully tangible progress.
0-0-OAK 30 S.Waters kicks 69 yards from OAK 30 to SEA 1. L.Rankin for 99 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
"ST"s sucks now...27-22...
Got my ticket "CJ"...
Run 300K to Phnom Penh for the hi-speed wi-fi and watch on line...
We let Louis Rankin get away to keep Justin Fargas for one additional year.
That really paid off.
Raiders 0-3 in their last three 2-point defenses.
-J.Veldheer, Offensive Holding, 10 yards,
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