One Postgame Take
Today, the Raiders became the goose that laid the golden turd.
Coming off a strong win, with the elusive .500 mark finally within our grasp, and with a magnificent opportunity to gain ground in our division, against a pathetic 0-5 team that seems confused half of the time, we stunk up Candlestick with an offensive (in ever sense of the word) so-called performance that invoked the Ghost of JaMarcus Russell.
Halloween must be nigh, eh?
What is there to analyze about this game, beyond the fact that we stunk? Well, for starters, how do you forget to target Zach Miller for a large chunk of the game, when he's really the only person on the field (with McFadden out) who has proven to be a consistent producer? How?
The defense did okay, but got killed on a couple of big plays that sealed the deal. Sound familiar?
It's clear to me that we have a serious long-term quarterback problem on our hands. Jason "Plunkett" Campbell seems nothing more than lackluster, which is essentially consistent with his career before arriving in Oakland. Gradkowski is a firecracker, but he's frequently injured, and not likely to become the next Drew Brees anytime soon. I don't buy him as a big-time NFL starter.
So where does that leave us on the path to becoming a serious contender over the next few years? Who is going to lead this offense in the years to come and take us to the promised land?
Right now, we can't even find someone to lead us into the Candlestick end zone on a dreary afternoon against one of the NFL's weakest teams. We lost to the 49ers. How sad.
Coming off a strong win, with the elusive .500 mark finally within our grasp, and with a magnificent opportunity to gain ground in our division, against a pathetic 0-5 team that seems confused half of the time, we stunk up Candlestick with an offensive (in ever sense of the word) so-called performance that invoked the Ghost of JaMarcus Russell.
Halloween must be nigh, eh?
What is there to analyze about this game, beyond the fact that we stunk? Well, for starters, how do you forget to target Zach Miller for a large chunk of the game, when he's really the only person on the field (with McFadden out) who has proven to be a consistent producer? How?
The defense did okay, but got killed on a couple of big plays that sealed the deal. Sound familiar?
It's clear to me that we have a serious long-term quarterback problem on our hands. Jason "Plunkett" Campbell seems nothing more than lackluster, which is essentially consistent with his career before arriving in Oakland. Gradkowski is a firecracker, but he's frequently injured, and not likely to become the next Drew Brees anytime soon. I don't buy him as a big-time NFL starter.
So where does that leave us on the path to becoming a serious contender over the next few years? Who is going to lead this offense in the years to come and take us to the promised land?
Right now, we can't even find someone to lead us into the Candlestick end zone on a dreary afternoon against one of the NFL's weakest teams. We lost to the 49ers. How sad.
posted by Raider Take at 8:07 PM
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My surprise was when "JustCrap" pulled up lame in the 4th and no switch was made...I was hollering at the TV let's see Boller but nothing happened...
That was the third last possession...I think it was 2nd dn and we were deep...Why the hell was "JustCrap" left in there to screw it up and than back two more times to finish us...Makes NO sense to me...He was lame with a knee for gad sakes!!!...
"Serious long term problems"....it ain't just at QB, it's all over the place. Look at ALL the positions, they all need an upgrade, coach's, management, stadium included.
Grad gives the team the best chance to win. When he comes back I hope he has learned that he isn't helping the team playing in a reckless manner. Campbell looks to be good off the bench, last week he looked good. They said he was that way in Washington too.
Anyone in their right mind would look at the roster and cringe at the WR position. DHB plays because Al says so, those who defend the move, are just in love with Al Davis and can never question his moves or motivation.
Just when the team shows what they did last week and then do this today....it tears at the heart strings, one gets himself seperated to avoid the disappointment. How can you love something that keeps kicking you in the nuts? Are you nuts for repeatedly getting kicked in the nuts? Some people just like that sort of stuff, so I have been told.
JONES
Albert Einstein’s definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results….
This very quote has been uttered countless of times by RT and many others on this blog. I am completely and utterly lost, as what to say about this absent-minded game.
Though it always starts at the top of the organization, we know Al won’t fire himself. That being said, it doesn’t remove him from the majority of the blame. However, the burning issues are as follows:
Cable, will be and should be fired soon. He is ineffective as a HC, who clearly lacks the bloodlines which make a great coach. He looks more lost than JR did last year.
His only stint as HC was in Colorado and was offensive line coach in Atlanta. No one else wanted the gig. Honestly no one does, but lackluster wannabe head coaches come to Oakland. Isn't he supposed to be offense line guru? If we can’t win in the trenches and protect our QB we cannot win games by just pure athletic ability alone. Many of the personal on the front 5 are in the wrong position. ie.. Didn't Mario Henderson play DT in college? He was converted,I remember to OT. Why is he playing Left OT? Why is Bruce Campbell playing RG when he’s natural position is Left OT?
Hue Jackson hasn’t shown me squat.
Or is it JC who does not understand the play calling?
Jason Campbell was the wrong guy for the job. Was he that bad in D.C.? He looks lost on so many plays and stands in the pocket too long. I also saw a 7+ step drop back!!!
WR’s are still a major concern.
D-Line is spotty at best and still too soft against the run.
Secondary is God awful too.
The majority of the blame falls on Al’s shoulders for selecting some of these inexperienced coaches to coach these players. And keeping players who couldn't make it on a UFL squad lol. But once again Al will do the unnecessary as he does every year. Truly saddens me…..
IAAF'ers in the Shadow still beating old drums and trying to ride "DeadHorses"
I still don't get all the Grad hype. If the guy plays more than three games, he's basically going to throw as many TD's as interceptions; plus the more he plays, the more teams can make adjustments. He tries hard, but he's not an NFL level starter in my book. Moreover, he's clearly injury-prone, just as he was at Tampa Bay.
Comparing him to Brees is beyond insane. I knew Brees was a future NFL starter when he was at Purdue, and so did a crap load of scouts. But heck, Grad doesn't even have the athleticism or talent to be a Jeff Garcia. I dare say that Jeff Garcia as a old man probably still has better legs than Grad.
I'm all for the guy starting or rotating him with Campbell or Boller, but the bottom line is that no QB that we have on this roster can elevate this offense beyond mediocrity. I think we need to continue the search...unfortunately. There's a lot of very good 2nd string OB's around the league that are better than what we have. Hell, Kerry Collins would be an improvement!
Sure, Grad might not be the long-term answer at QB, but the Raiders don't need a Drew Brees-type to be successful. What they do need is someone that can call a decent game. Hue Jackson is the new Tom Cable as OC.
How many times do you have to run between the tackles and fail before you run once to the outside? Apparently, there's no number that answers that question.
The screens and slants that were successful in pre-season? Gone!
Hell, he and Cable even packed up all their trick plays in what has to be one of the most lackluster, unimaginative, uninspired offensive gameplans since Tom "B&B" Walsh.
The Raiders can't possibly come up with an excuse for that performance... but a few fans here might.
It's games like this one that inspire thoughts of Lance Kiffin's MO. It's time to call out the whole building. Again!
Allow me to correct myself. I missed the early part of the game, so I didn't realize the Raiders had run a flea-flicker. So there was a trick play. Also, there was a reverse that resulted in a 43-yard gain... but I can't remember another run attempt to the outside.
So, like the blitz, if it works, abandon it.
Interesting quote from Murphy:
“I don’t know. I’ve got to see the film. The game was just going so fast, I don’t really know what was going on. I felt I was getting open against their coverages."
Sounds like that rests squarely on Campbell's shoulders... who, btw, had a 10.7 QB rating, which is worse than Russell ever posted.
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Also, there was a reverse that resulted in a 43-yard gain... but I can't remember another run attempt to the outside.
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Not sure Bush is the RB we want to the outside anyway... the guy looks more like a FB (although he maniacally refuses to play as one).
Lets get McFadden back at full strength... and give Boller a chance.
Campbell had a 10 point QB rating... and had plenty of protection most of the game. There was one pass which was a simple sideline swing pass that was high and behind the WR... I said to my buddy... "I haven't thrown a football in 5 years and we can go outside right now and I could complete that pass 10 of 10 times."
Its got to be the simplest pass in football... good gawd.
As he proved last week, he is fine as a backup but has no business starting in the NFL... and I think the entire team knows it.
The long run which sealed the game was all on Morrison... oops. I mean McClain.
Instead of staying put and letting the play come to him (the RB ran right over the spot McClain started the play)... he ran to the right into the pile to the right and maniacally took on a blocker (who sealed him off).
These are plays he needs to start making. I know he's a rookie... but who in the hell is TEACHING these people??? Do they even watch film?
Even a high school coach could teach a linebacker that his frigging job isn't to engage blockers... its to AVOID them and go to the person with the ball.
Ray Lewis would have made that play in his sleep.
Other evidence of teaching problems on defense... the angle Tyvon Branch took to the TD pass was horrendous. He had plenty of time to make a play but ran in front of the ball instead of to the receiver. The pass was a wounded duck... just go to it knock it down.
Whose TEACHING these young players?
Coaching and QBs... we have neither.
Jerry Mc-
For whatever reason, the passing offense looked as poorly executed, ill-timed and poorly called as any time dating back several years _ including the Tom Walsh-Art Shell offense.
"They ran a linebacker underneath me and a safety over the top, with a lot of bracket,’’ Zach Miller said.
So you would think the other recievers could step up but they can't because they are just not that good. Even if they were, with no QB play it doesn't matter.
It's QB leaugue, until you get one you're nowhere.
Anyone think we can package Seymour, DHB, and Campbell to the Pats and get our 1st round pick back ?
I guess not.
How about to the Vikes to get Moss back ?
Oh, I didn't think so.
Could we even get a 4th rounder for Seymour ?, DHB ?, Campbell ?
Prolly not.
Just goes to show how poorly run the Raiders are.
"IAAF'ers in the Shadow still beating old drums and trying to ride "DeadHorses".."
The drums may be old because it's an old problem, but I can tell you with 100% confidence, that horse ain't dead. How many times we see the team come around in a game and then the next week look like they have had their nuts cut off? Back to basic schemes that LOSE? Guess what old horse is causing it? So you keep petting that horse and telling him he can still win the race. Others, will continue to tell the horse to "STAY DOWN, you have no chance".
JONES
Where is Balanda? He said the Raiders were turning that corner again, but, he disappears after the game, AGAIN. Guess he'll be back in full force come January. The "crew" once again is MIA.
JONES
Gary...
This ain't no excuse but just an explanation...
Gore is real short and runs even shorter...The flow of the pile was all going left and it appeared as if the "RB" was in there somewhere...So I think McClain simply lost sight of the "RB" and pursued the pile...In front of Gore was his 2 huge "OL" and our 2 "DL" locked up and Gore cleared in between untouched....I don't think McClain could even see him and the "DL" didn't give any indication he was there by trying to tackle either so I doubt they knew where he was...
This is what I loved about Nap Koffman...He was so small he would get lost inside and run out for huge gains...."DL"-n-"LB"s would complain they couldn't see/find him...But this time it bit us...
Other than the collapse late in this game we held him in check...I blame it on the "O" that couldn't make a play and forced our "D" to expire all their energy and get gassed....We played like we were gassed at the end...Bad coverage/tackling/Run "D"....
memdf...
I saw on TV "WR"s being open but by the time "JustCrap" released the ball the "DB"s had made up ground and were in position to play the ball not just the man...
Also when I troll around and talk to fans who were at the game I get the info that several times we had "WR"s open but nothing happened..."JustCrap" would just hold the ball like he was afraid to throw..."Deer-in-HeadLights" effect...
I agree about the "QB"...Now lets face it and be a little more honest here...When we watch other teams play we see passes being completed regularly to "WR"s/"TE"s who have little or no separation and many times in the double and yet a quality "QB" with communication to his receivers can thread it in there...Hell we can't even get a completion when there are 2-3yds of separation which I saw a few times and fans at the games posted was there frequently...
Take a look at this poll amongst Raider fans...It's very interesting to note where their largest area of concern lies...And many who post on this board are at the games regularly so I put some merit in their opinions...
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/
Raider00...
Richard Seymour is playing just fine...
"DHB" is developing and was our leading receiver yesterday...Take him away and we had 1 completion to the "WR"s...Murphy for 4 freakin yds...Would that make you happier...
You criers were all demanding that some other "WR" like Miller get his shot...Well it happened and little Jacoby Ford had one of the few well timed passes right to the receiver bounce off his freakin hands right into the hands of the opposition...Did that one make you freakin happy...You called for it...It ended all our hopes for a comeback...Game over!!!...
PantyRaider...Be Careful What You Wish For...Ya Might Get It -n- Be Disappointed!!!/_
The "QB" Is The Element That Changes....Weeks #1/5/6 The "WR"s Sucked...Why...
Week # 1...
L. Murphy 4/28 yds
Y. Figurs 2 /17 yds
D. Heyward-Bey 1/11 yds
J. Higgins 1/2 yds
Week #5...
L. Murphy 2 /61 yds
Week #6....
D. Heyward-Bey 3/19 yds
L. Murphy 1/4 yds
All games that "JustCrap" played...Those are all the "WR" recs listed for those games...Pathetic to say the least...
Week #2 Murphy-n-"DHB" each had 6 recs for 170yds...
Week #3 Murphy 5 -n- "DHB" 3 for 170yds...
Week #4 "JLH"/"DHB"/Murphy accounted for only 4 recs -n- 45 yds
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Zack had his big day with 11/122 yds -n- "D-Mac" 6/82 yds....
Conclusive evidence that it's directly linked to the "QB" -n- NOT the fault of the "WR"s...These "WR" could make plays if given the opportunity and they already proved that this year in games 2-n-4....
PantyRaider...Some Have Been Posting Some Twisted Shit!!!/_
Correction: Games 2-n-3...
How can you speak such things about Jason "Plunkett" Campbell?
Crier!
"Instead of staying put and letting the play come to him (the RB ran right over the spot McClain started the play)... he ran to the right into the pile to the right and maniacally took on a blocker (who sealed him off)."
McClain on that particular play probably made even Mike Singletary cringe from the other sideline.
It was painful to watch, and it's not the first time he's done that, i.e., seek out and engage a blocker instead of playing the ball.
Not excatly the way Singletary would have played it.
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It was painful to watch, and it's not the first time he's done that,
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Nope... pretty much the exact same thing on at least one of the other long runs given up. Is there a "Morrison Syndrome" that only inflicts Raiders MLB's or something?
Or maybe we have a complete moron as LB coach? Why can't somebody just show him the fucking film and say "WHAT ARE YOU DOING?"
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i.e., seek out and engage a blocker instead of playing the ball.
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Hey.. something we agree on! McClain is a HUGE disappointment so far.
Ohh.. and if we see Campbell starting next week... and McClain doesn't stop engaging blockers, etc... I think Cable can stick his "accountability" shit straight up his ass.
How can anyone say theres any accountability if you don't jerk a QB that played two entire QUARTERS without passing for a single yard?
Gary...
Unfortunately I have to agree on that one...Is Kile ready at all...
I was in the bar hollering at the TV to bench the bastard and play Kile -n- especially when "JustCrap" turned up lame on the 3rd to last possession...But no move was made...They just stood there looking at him like he was going to miraculously improve or something...That was just pure stupidity....
PantyRaider....Real Head Scratchier!!!/_
PantyRaider said,
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"Richard Seymour is playing just fine..."
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Panty, the point is value.
If you trade a #1 pick for Seymour, he shouldn't lose that value in one year.
If you spend a #1 pick on DHB, he shouldn't lose that value in one year.
If you spend a #4 pick on Campbell, he shouldn't lose that value in 6 months.
It's like trading a #1 for Moss. Only to turn around less then 2 years later, and trade him for a #4pick.
When you add this all up, it means the Raiders do not seem to know what the hell they're doing.
Why blame a ROOKIE MLB? It isn't so much the player, it's the scheme. McClain probably knows it already and is asking himself "why did I get drafted by the Raiders?" It's a career killer, unless you are a shutdown man to man Corner, Al's Defense isn't for a young player. What has happened to Houston?Huff?McClain?Branch?Johnson?Mitchell?Howard? These were the up and comers to use as the cornerstone....they look just like the guys they replaced or who replaced them. Wonder why?
JONES
Raider00...
I think a little desperation -n- desire to win now has entered into the equation coupled with the fact that the Raiders have traditionally always been willing to pay the price to get what they want and haven't valued draft picks as high as proven vet help in the now...
That said..."D-Mac" is not a devalued player -n- there are very few players in the NFL that will merit a 1st rd selection in a trade...Is anyone willing to offer "SD" a 1st rd pick for a "PB" "WR" like Vincent Jackson...3rd is best I heard of...Moss was worth a 4th-n-3rd in his later years after we traded him...That's all the value he has...What value was in "LT" who was definitely a very proven "RB" and did very damn well yesterday for the Jets...
Players are like cars...Once you buy one it depreciates the moment you drive off the lot unless there was some aftermarket "SuperCharger" upgrade installed...And just how many players get one of those...
What is the value of Donovan McNabb...Micheal Vick...Brett Farvre...
What do you think the value of Jay Cutler is today after he was traded for a 1st rd yesterday...Young in Tenn...How many of these guys could fetch the same value as was paid to bring them in...
So it's all just relative value and doesn't really mean squat...And that 1st rd pick may or may not have value when it's spent...Just like now could we turn McClain back into the 1st rd #8 pick that he was...
On the other hand the Lamb's rookie "QB" just might have gained value in the short run which is the exception to the rule...
PantyRaider...I'm Glad To Have Seymour Now Rather Than "What-If" Later!!!/_
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If you trade a #1 pick for Seymour, he shouldn't lose that value in one year.
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I'm not sure he has.
Although losing that pick is going to suck if we cant get this QB situation straightened out and we end up with like 5 wins again... I STILL don't blame the Raiders for rolling the dice there.
You NEED some veteran leadership on both sides of the ball.
I woulda preferred someone like Ray Lewis... but you don't just keep drafting rookies without veteran help too... especially without a top notch coaching staff... and even then you are just
going to be above average.
NE keeps trading all their key defensive players... how many rings since?
Zero.
If anybody herd Gannon call this game, he made it clear stating that our secondary was playing real loose and they were letting the receivers run wild, they we're not covering receivers, as soon as he said that the winers started to pass and they started to catch the balls and started to gain yards, he also made the comment about Gore opening up the game, the plays were happening as he was calling him, meaning if he. could see all that so could the miners coaching staff and made proper adjustments, the raiders did not make a single adjustment and of course lost a winnable game
quarterback Jason Campbell said during his postgame interview with CSN Bay Area that he sustained a knee injury at some point in the first half and would have an MRI today.
What The Hell...You fuckin bitch...You stayed in there at the cost of the entire team because you didn't want to give up your damn stupid opportunity you lame sassed BITCH!!!...
I have lost all respect for that damn bastard now...I saw him limping late in the 4th and knew he was hurting and should have been removed as he was running -w- a limp back to the huddle to keep anyone else from coming in...Than he couldn't scramble or avoid the rush at all so just threw the ball into the dirt...
PantyRaider....Totally Disgusted!!!/_
Anno 4:43 PM
They were playing some sort of damn Zone that totally failed...NO-One picked up "Crab" on his "TD"...It was a "DB" who saw it late and got there late who tried to make a play but that "Crab" bitch ran down the field free as a bird....NO coverage at all...
I said last week when I saw some of this crap to go back to the "M-to-M" before we get ripped...Ar we trying to change up the "D" in the middle of the season...It ain't working...
PantyRaider...Some Stupidity Coming Out!!!/_
From another board...
Boller is said to be the starter next week.
just watched it on nfl total access.
PantyRaider...Lets Hope The Hell Something Works!!!!/_
Another thing that escaped me because of all of our own personal implosion was that "Zebra" "BS" reviewing a play after another play was already finished...Now that was some pure stupidity and cost us some damn good field position...1st-n-Goal at the 5 I think...That could have should have been a "TD" for us...
PantyRaider...Never Want To Let A Galloping "Zebra" Escape!!!/_
From the Cable Q&A today:
Q: Any chance on Raiders being active before trade deadline?
Cable: I don’t at this point know that, what the plan would be in terms of that. Certainly it wouldn’t surprise me if we do something. We’ll see what the next 24 hours bring.
Very interesting!
I agree that the zebras blew it with the non-reviewable call. They totally caved to the angry Singletary - I think he intimidated them. Granted, TV doesn't give you a panoramic shot, but I neither saw nor heard a whistle when the next play was run - a nice rush down to about the five by Bush i think.
That said, can't use that as an excuse really, because Raiders ended up getting it down there anyway and had a first and goal at the eight.
"X"...
True..But I didn't want to let them off the hook for the crap...
"RT"....
Many are pimping a trade for Vick...Doubt it happens but would certainly luv it...I pimped him last season and was mocked for it...Now he is a hot commodity...Sure would liven things up for us this season...On the ground and in the air....At least he will throw the damn ball...
Don't know how much there is to the report that Kile Boller will start but I hope it ain't "JustCrap" again...He makes us suck!!!...
PantyRaider....Heard Young got hurt...Time to watch and see!!!!/_
"Tuna" swimming out of Miami...
Please-Please swim to "OakTown"...
Agree. Vick would have been perfect for this team, especially considering the OL problems.
"Tuna swimming out of Miami"?
GET PARCELLS IN OAKLAND!
The offensive line played miserably IMO. Campbell had no time to set his feet on most plays. Not to defend the guy; he played awful. But saying the offensive line played well? Good grief!
As far as defense goes, instincts aren't taught. Teaching can only take good instincts to the next level.
I must say that I was a Vick doubter when PR was pimping him last year.
Now? Bring him on. Bring something on. The quarterback position is killing us, and there's no relief in sight.
As far as the chicken v. egg of QB and WR responsibility, I will also point out that Deion Branch went to New England after doing very little in Seattle, and after spending 72 hours with his new team, promptly racked up nine receptions, equaling Randy Moss's total grabs for the Patriots this year prior to his trade to the Vikings.
So yes, smart quarterbacking and coaching are obviously major factors in WR performance. I still don't give our WRs a pass, but I do admit that quarterbacking and coaching are the straws that stir the offensive drink.
Cable: I don’t at this point know that, what the plan would be in terms of that. Certainly it wouldn’t surprise me if we do something. We’ll see what the next 24 hours bring.
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Doesn't sound like Cable is trying to pretend anymore that he makes any significant personnel decisions. Let's face it; Al cut the guys balls off. Heck, Hue Jackson took a chunk out of one for himself. It's like watching a bad movie on a loop!
After the Raiders 1st 2 possessions, the offense was in a complete coma.
It was frustrating to see a lifeless unit with no spark, creativity for the final 9 possessions.
At some point in the final 40:00, Cable, Jackson, and Marshall, needed to inject their imagination and leadership to get our team off of life support.
The offense and defense were completely vanilla. The offensive and defensive playcalling was playing to "not lose" instead of playing "to win". Passive instead of aggressive. Literally sitting on a 6-3 lead.
0 takeaways ... how about dialing up some safety blitzes?
69 net yards passing and 2 1st downs the final 9 possessions ... how about bringing in Boller, attempting a few trick plays or deep passes?
This has been a strange season for the Raiders and the NFL in general. Hard to believe that if the Raiders beat the Donkeys, that we are right in the thick of things due largely to our division playing so poorly.
3-4, 2-0 in division, believe it or not would be a fairly enviable position within our division. However, it is merely a tease at this point until we establish some level of consistency by all 3 units, for entire games, in back to back games. These 1 game mirages are nothing more than fool's gold.
Good QB play, solid rushing, and an opportunistic D is all we need to compete in our division.
"CJ"...
I did see a few blitzes yesterday in the 4th but we got beat for a 6-7yd gain on one and a 1st dn on another and than they went away....Than came that ignorant uncovered "TD" to "Crab"...I'm still trying to figure out what the "D" was doing than...He ran completely free to the end-zone...
PantyRaider...Go Figure!!!/_
Pretty sad. I'll have to further reduce my expectations after a win, no matter who the opponent is:
They have been outscored by 19 points per game the week after wins, managing just three touchdowns in the seven losses.
http://goo.gl/Gg0Y
I don't think Seymour was anything other than a very good system player in New England's defense who had lost a step. He's solid, but not spectacular, and I doubt he'd go for anything higher than a late second rounder. Perhaps even that would be too generous given his contract. Personally, I think Al was the only GM/owner who was willing to give a 1st rounder for the guy.
Ya know, I just went and checked out Campbell's career stats. He always seemed like a respectable NFL QB. He wouldn't do anything earth shattering, but he was a decent enough game manager. Lo and behold, the guy had a 86.6 QB rating last season (career 81.1 QB rating).
So how is it that no matter who we bring in as QB, no matter the coach in the post-Gruden era, a QB's stats always sink compared to the team he played on previously, be it Aaron Brooks or Kerry Collins. Campbell has a 61.1 QB rating this season, with more interceptions than touchdowns, which has never happened before in his career. So what's the deal? Could it be the incompetence of the organization? What constant would be the biggest factor in that incompetency? I know my answer. What's yours? Because, if it was just a matter of who we bring in as this coach or that coach, you'd think we'd see a veteran QB who'd at least play up to his past capabilities.
PR,
Granted, even the Raiders blitz occasionally. In the grand scheme of things (no pun intended), ALL teams in the NFL excluding the Raiders use a wide array of exotic, varied blitz packages as a major weapon in their defensive arsenal.
In today's NFL, giving the QB time to read the defense and work his progressions is a losing formula.
A predictable, static, unimaginative, passive defense is not the solution by any means.
If I was the DC for a day, I would blitz Asomugha at least 1x every game. I would use T.Scott throughout the game as a blitzing LB.
When you blitz different players at different angles, you keep the offense guessing and on their toes.
Our M2M corners play very close to the LOS. To send CB blitzes 1,2,3 times in a game uses the element of surprise and FORCES the QB to make quick decisions.
The 1st point I'm trying to convey is that sitting back and playing passively is playing to lose. Without the blitz, we would be looking at a 1-5 record which is on a pace for an even worse record than last year.
The 2nd larger point is that the coaching staff needs to get more creative with schemes and playcalling.
I'm tired of seeing the same old shit week after week. The coaching staff gets paid to devise strategy, create game plans, call plays, and adjust to the game circumstances.
"CJ"...
Here we predominately agree...I have questioned for the past 2 weeks as Gary did this week why the hell we run up the gut on almost every 1st dn...They know it and expect it...Couldn't we use that to our advantage to trick'em once in a while...Play-Action on 1st dn might just work Hue...
On the static play calling...Now I'm wondering if it's because "JustCrap" doesn't have a grasp of the game...It seems to me we were more creative weeks ago than we are now...The 1st 2 series were prolley scripted and worked fairly well except for the late delivery under thrown pass to Murphy that would have had "TD" written all over it instead of just a "PI" call...
Hue said he would prolley script 30 plays during the preseason and we all had a chuckle...Maybe he was not being funny...Maybe he already understood the deficiencies at "QB" and knew he needed something like that to make it work...
Once "JustCrap" gets past what's scripted he shuts down and looks confused...I swear...He looked absolutely stupid yesterday...Did you see him on the sidelines when the coaches tried to get in his head...
A terrible thought but maybe that "PurpleDrank" got left in his locker and he couldn't pass it up...
The "D" was working until they got gassed so I'm not as down on that unit...With just a little help 2nd/3rd/4th quarter from the "O" this game could have been won...As it was by the time the 4th rolled around everything was broken...
The thing that bugs me about the "D" is that stupid Zone they try to play where no one covers anyone...They look confused in it so that needs to get scraped...Work on that crap before the season not in the middle...Even Nmamdi is breaking down in that system...
PantyRaider...Coaches -n- "QB" At Fault..."OL" Too!!!!/_
Apparently, being creative with playcalling is too much work. Jackson spent 4 Qtrs sending Bush between the tackles on 1st down for little or no gain.
Is he now scripting the entire 2nd half too?
The Raiders seem to avoid success. And when something becomes successful, they abandon it.
Screen passes that looked great in pre-season? Abandoned!
Blitz packages that result in a win? Abandoned!
I'm starting to believe the Raiders really don't want to win.
Is it time yet to call out the whole building? Or should we endure a few more seasons of the same ol' shit?
When asked about 3rd down problems, here was Cable's answer:
"Just decisions, making throws and getting open, and protection, really making decisions and throwing the football, things like that, very fundamental issues."
VERY FUNDAMENTAL ISSUES, that is how I would describe the Raiders the last 7 years. After 7 long years of sucking, and losing; our issues are still fundamental.
I blame young players not being coached or disciplined to stay in their gaps, instead of overshooting them and letting a mediocre RB gain 250 yards. I blame young players not being coached how to separate from the opposing D while running their routes. I blame young players not being coached to finish off their blocks. I blame young players not being coached to line up properly for the play being called. I blame young players not being coached properly.
CJ, I'm afraid Cable does not have an imaginative play in his head; nor does he want a potential replacement like Jackson, showing him up with one.
Jason Campbell is not the answer at Q. He looks lost, he feels lost, he smells lost. He is not comfortable; he's hesitant; which is something that you cannot be as a Q.
"I'm starting to believe the Raiders really don't want to win."
I have thought and heard this before. What is it in that crazy ole coots head that would make him not want to win? If it's to move the team....no one will take this franchise in it's current state. I know L.A. and the league does not want the Raiders in there. It might be to spite the league? What other reason is there? This team knows that it takes balls out football to win, it's the only time they win. When they let the dogs loose and play aggressive on both sides of the ball, they usually win. Al ties the hands of the team and they lose. It is very obvious, why is it happening?
JONES
"VERY FUNDAMENTAL ISSUES, that is how I would describe the Raiders the last 7 years. After 7 long years of sucking, and losing; our issues are still fundamental."
Coach after coach, player after player have said this. It's code for "the scheme's are so simple, if we make a mental error on any given play, it's a big gainer" Or " because the Offense is Vanillla, we have to execute without flaw to make a first down". They don't dare say it's the scheme's or they will face the overhead projector.
JONES
I'm not sure it's a question of wanting to win, as much as it is a question of priorities.
I think that Mr. Davis wants to win. But I'm afraid that the priority might be wanting to win a certain way, as opposed to simply winning.
This "certain way" seems to involve Mr. Davis maintaining, and perhaps even amplifying, his historic control and methodologies. What else is to explain the absence of a GM-type football executive after so many years?
An interesting parallel might be the late George Steinbrenner. I didn't think any less of Steinbrenner after he ceded more and more control over the years to his GM and the next generation. He still maintained a loud voice, but got the help he needed. And the Yankees regained their powerhouse status, and the rings just kept coming, and Steinbrenner's legend was not diminished by the fact that he had help. Quite the contrary--the resulting championships grew his legend.
On that note, I would love to see Parcells visit Oakland. He's a turnaround expert. Are we ready to seek that type of help, and to give that type of executive the latitude to do what he does best?
I know RT, I have explained the phenomenon many times. How it has to be done like the Raiders of the 70's or else fans like the "crew" and Al's cronies get their panties in a bunch. It's when the Raiders actually play a modern game, they usually come out winners. Why can't the genius see this? What is it that makes him try to turn the clock back when the clock has been broken for decades? How can it keep continuing? Only ONE MAN knows the answer and he ain't sharing the answer.
JONES
The more Steinbrenner released his grip on the Yankees, the more beloved he became to the fans.
He adapted to the times and the needs of his team.
Sure success breeds success, but failure also should breed success (for fear of more failure - learn from your mistakes, etc).
The Raiders have used failure to breed more failure. It’s a vicious cycle.
RaiderNate75...
I have to agree on the young player issues and coached deficiencies...Look how long it has taken "D-Mac" to develop...Good gad he had that talent coming out of college but we took 3 seasons to get him into it...Just sickens me...All that wasted talent left on the bench for so long...
As far as the "WR" development goes I posted on that before...When Freddy-B retired he was never replaced and we haven't gotten good production from that unit sense...Can't undervalue the experience/heart/discipline/technique he brought to this game....
Who coaches them now....Sanjay Lal -n- maybe Ted Tollner as "PGC" whatever that is but most likely just working with the "QB"s...
4 yrs of disqualification is posted at raiders.com about Lal...I mean I'm glad he was good in college but what did he ever do at the pro level....Oh! Ya!...Coach the least productive core in football...Raider "WR"s...
"RT"...
I was 1st to post the "Tuna Swimming Out Of Miami" rumor with excitement and I'm glad it's true...
Now should a big "Fish" like him swim to OakTown I would celibate for sure...But NOT because someone else is going to take Mr Davis' reps...Because he's a man Mr Davis can trust and brigs allot to the table...Yes...I believe Mr Davis would give some latitude to his old friend who has more than proven himself threw time and has learned about as much as Mr Davis knew...
But make no mistake...This is a short term fix...The "Tuna" is a "Swimmer" and he is looking for his next adventure the day he arrives...Pelagic Species...He is also in his 70's so no longevity in sight...The one big thing he can do is help Al's son advance very quickly and this team/front office/coaches/player acquisitions and so forth...
That's what happens when the big "Tuna" wags it's tail...All the little "Bait Fish" get active -n- respond...
PantyRaider...Creativity/Gameplans/Schemes Should All Get A Make Over Too!!!/_
That big "Tuna" stirs the waters and ignites everyone...
As of now the only player being forecast as a possible last second trade is Hainsworth whom I have already pimped...
Our woes at run "D" could be diminished very quickly with that one and I don't give a damn about the money or the potential 3rd rd pk...I care about doing something NOW and about next season when we start with him in the fold...
Tenn is on record as wanting that big bastard back so that speaks allot louder to me than what that damn ugly "Rat" says...
PantyRaider...Al -n-"Tuna" Are On The Phone Now Getting It Done!!!/_
And the Raiders donate their 4th rd pk "2014" to the "ForeSkin" "RAT" for Albert Hainsworth -n- his $$$$$...
i think we've given this campbell cat ENOUGH chances. boller should start if bruce can't.
my question - is the contract extension campbell signed guaranteed? if not, can we cut him and bring in say... a colt brennan?
i just read somewhere (here or another raidernews.com article) that bruce is NOT the long term answer at QB. well then who is? campbell sure isn't. dude isn't even the short term answer. one of these guys, boller or even brennan could be...
i HATE that 9er team with a passion! it sure looks like this season so far is another waste so THAT game was MY superbowl. usually i'll wear my raider gear win, lose or draw but after that turd they laid, i was completely embarrased. is it possible to hate campbell more than russell? i along with everyone else had true hopes for this season with this guy leading us and especially after seeing this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoYbevFvWg8&feature=PlayList&p=28614AFD55EC6047&index=0&playnext=1. buyt this guy doesn't have a freakin' clue! just look at his eyes when they show a close-up!
the defense looks like they'll continue to have issues with the big play BUT if our offense keeps playing like that my goodness, we might not even win another freakin' game!
that's why i made that suggestion in my previous post. we have to start developing someone NOW.
I finally figured out why we are having so much trouble thanks to "NoonTide's post at
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2010/10/18/1760707/there-is-no-joy-in-delphi
Elway Dating/Possible Marriage To Raiderette Caused Explosion Of Galactic Gasses -n- Nuked Us
Defilefication: Intergalactic Parallel Universe Fart -of- Transverse Negative Matter
Defilefication Leading Into Dematerfication Caused Demystification In DarthRaider's Parallel Universe
In Layman terminology...A "MuleHaed" Fuckin A Raiderette Defiled Us
PantyRaider...At Least There Is Some Humor Left In The Raider Universe!!!/_
Scorpio....
The "Eye" thing is why I speculated "JeFat" left a bootleg bottle of "JePurpleDrank" in "JustCrap"s locker and he swallowed hard before the game...
The prick sucked so bad it's the logical explanation...
Don't lose heart Bro...We don't look as bad as the last 7...We just have trouble shakin it loose...
PantyRaider...Someone Please Put Some Sleepin Dope In That Puppies Drank!!!/_
Lights Out Bitch!!!...
Do we need a "DE"...Released Today...
Charles Grant 9yr vet "DE"..5 1/2 Sks
Height: 6-3 Weight: 285 Age: 32
No other trade info showing up...Dead-End to "FA" market....
PantyRaider..Nothin Happenin Baby!!!/_
As to blitzing... I'm pretty happy lately with the blitzing packages... and especially with at least FAKING the blitz (which SOB didn't even bother doing.) As JMAC pointed out today, we actually got burned by the blitz more than not against SF.
It is an interesting dilemma for a DC... if we blitz and they pick it up we have to rely on people like Branch, CJ. and Huff to make a play behind it, and none of them seem to have any football instincts.
What drives me crazy though is absolutely REFUSING to blitz... you have change shit up... no matter how well the base-4 defense is doing (which was actually pretty outstanding last week.)
With better DBs, the points we had on the board might have been enough.
Gary: To the best of my recollection, the Niners offense only generated 3 big plays and none of these plays came on a blitz.
#1 32 Yard TD to Craptree
#2 64 Yard run by Gore
#3 17 Yard TD pass to V. Davis
"It is an interesting dilemma for a DC... if we blitz and they pick it up we have to rely on people like Branch, CJ. and Huff to make a play behind it, and none of them seem to have any football instincts."
Actually Gary, if you watched the SD game, the Raiders were highly successful blitzing both Branch and/or Huff which means these guys are not in coverage but applying pressure on the QB. There are many times in the game, on obvious passing downs where we go "Big Nickel" (Asomugha, CJ, Huff, Branch, and Mitchell). You can easily blitz one of the safeties and use the WLB for coverage purposes.
The Blitz or Not To Blitz isn't an argument. The argument is how often do you blitz, when do you blitz, which player blitzes, how you vary the blitz angle, and most importantly, how to keep the opponent on their heels.
I realize that the blitz can be prone to giving up big plays. However, it would be foolish to discount it as a major weapon in the D's arsenal.
Gary...
That's exactly what I saw too...They made a few plays off the blitz and our "D" completely disappeared on that "Crab" "TD" and on a few other plays late as well...
I'm not sure the reason...Gassed....Confused in that damn stupid zone their trying to play...Looked worse than a Prevent...At least than a man or 2 are in deep protection...We had nothing back there till it was too late...
What the hell are they going to do this week...The "Mules" throw the fuck out of that ball...They don't usually run much but they did against "NY" when they diminished the pass to only 200yds...37/145yd rushing...3.9 ave....
PantyRaider...Tighten Up Something -n- Quickly!!!/_
"CJ"..
The 2 plays in a row where they played off our blitz netted 1st dns...One was for about 8yds...The next was a 10yd pick-up...Than the blitz disappeared...
My question is if we weren't blitzing on that "Crab" "TD" than where the hell were all our "DB"s....Taking a rest on the bench??...
I will ask around to see if someone has that answer and post what I find...
Also why wasn't there any safety-valve playing back on that long Gore "TD"...This yr we have had players deep who stopped that long run...This play had none...
PantyRaider...Critical Plays Where We Collapsed!!!/_
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#1 32 Yard TD to Craptree>
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If we weren't blitzing, someone should be fired (or benched) for leaving him so wide open in the endzone.
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#2 64 Yard run by Gore
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This one was all on McClain sticking his cock into the pile (for no reason) .
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#3 17 Yard TD pass to V. Davis
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Once again... if there wasn't a blitz, why single coverage on Davis?
Unless I'm mistaken, SF has TWO receivers... Crabtree and Davis.
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Actually Gary, if you watched the SD game, the Raiders were highly successful blitzing both Branch and/or Huff which means these guys are not in coverage but applying pressure on the QB.
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I made the same point after the game... if our safeties have no clue (or instincts) for the passing game, we might as well send them after the QB.
Kinda stupid to ONLY use safety blitzes too though. Have to keep em guessing.
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The Blitz or Not To Blitz isn't an argument. The argument is how often do you blitz, when do you blitz, which player blitzes, how you vary the blitz angle, and most importantly, how to keep the opponent on their heels.
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Agreed fully.
Couple of comments from the JMAC chat pertaining to recent subjects (The worth of Seymore, and coaching problems).
...quote.....
Comment From RaideRooteRogerRaideRooteRoger: ]
Hindsight is always 20/20, we know. But....do you think the acquisition of Seymour was worth a 1st? If not, why?
jerrymac:
Hate to be cyncial, but what guarantee do you have that the Raiders would select someone that would be better than a 30-year-old Richard Seymour? Chances are they wouldn't.
...end quote....
I agree with this... considering how much of a crapshoot drafting is to begin with... and especially how unlucky the Raiders have been with nearly every one of the Raiders first round picks (even the "safe" picks like McClain and Gallery don't pan out)... I'd rather have a proven commodity.
....quote....
[Comment From J FeezyJ Feezy: ]
Every week T. Branch and is out of position when the D gets burned. C. Johnson is a victim every Sunday, and during the televised game against the 49ers Gannon said "Boy, these safeties are making me nervous, they keep poking their nose in the backfield. Sooner or later they're gonna get caught cheating."
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JFC... if Gannon can notice it... don't we have a defensive guy in the booth to tell them this?
I am really ready for a purging of the defensive assistant coaches.
Our entire back 7 are more than capable of blitzing on a selective basis. 4+1 ... doesn't matter if the "1" is a safety, CB, or LB.
It can be a delayed blitz, blitz up the middle, off the edge, whatever. There are so many possibilities.
Just for fun and for argument's sake, take each of the back 7 and give them 1 opportunity in the game on a blitz that they have worked on during the week. This would be a total of 7 blitzes out of 60 some snaps. Still a low number but nevertheless, it would create a diversified package and the element of surprise.
Also, food for thought ... why can't blitz packages be "scripted" to fit the circumstances in the game.
The larger points that I've been hacking away at the past 2 days is the need for creativity and aggressive play. Would love to see the coaching staff think more outside the box from a game planning and strategic standpoint.
We do have creativity but NOT consistently...
Was it last week that brought us the 5-man Front/Big Nickle...It seemed to work at shutting down that run...Why didn't we try it this time...Than blitz after your already running the 5-man Front at them and they've already been forced to keep a player back for protection..."RB"/"FB"/"TE" is already employed at stopping the 5-man and now an additional blitzing "OLB" possibly comes free...
We still have the "MLB" -n- 4 "DB"s as safety valves should the pressure not get there or a runner breaks free...
I don't know what to think...Are we try to change it up so much that they don't know what to prepare for...We find something that had success and than abandon it the following weeks...
PantyRaider...No Sense To Me!!!/_
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The Raiders can't use a 1st round draft pick on someone better then a 30 yr old Seymour ?
Well, judging by recent history, I guess I agree.
That leaves the Raiders with only 2choices going forward.
1) Trade all their #1's for vets.
2) Start drafting better players.
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That leaves the Raiders with only 2choices going forward.
1) Trade all their #1's for vets.
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If you would actually find a team that would trade their blue chippers for first rounders, this would work perfectly.
There's a reason it doesn't happen... (and it has nothing to do with "Crazy Al) most GMs hold onto their blue chip players at all costs.
Ya see... they know the draft is, and always has been a CRAP SHOOT.
Most positions are 50/50 at best for a draft choice to become a blue chipper (LT is the only position otherwise).
The only reason NE trades away all their blue chippers every year is because Billicheat thinks he's smarter than everyone else.
I'll watch how many titles he wins with this strategy (especially as Brady gets older and possibly more injury prone.) Brady and a herd of rookies and 2nd year players on defense gets clobbered in the playoffs every year for a reason.
Here we have a "crew" member, in his infinite wisdom, telling us the reason why teams don't trade their blue chippers is BECAUSE the draft is a crap shoot. HUH?
The reason why you don't trade blue chippers is because without them, YOU DON'T WIN. The only time you would dump a blue chipper is because they are either disruptive or the team is going nowhere and they want picks to draft for the future. It has nothing to do with the thinking that "the draft is a crap shoot, so we don't dare trade him".
JONES
OMG! HAS ANYONE SEEN THIS? FROM JMAC RE: A QUOTE FROM RICH GANNON ONM CAMPBELL:
– Interesting observation from former Raiders quarterback Rich Gannon during the telecast of the Raiders-49ers game Sunday regarding Campbell.
“He was struggling a little bit,’’ Gannon said on the air with information gleaned during a production meeting with the quarterback. “ He’s really trying to memorize the formations this week. He felt if he could memorize all the formations, it would help him play quicker, particularly early against the 49ers.’’
One question _ after arriving the day after he was acquired by trade and being with the Raiders ever since, shouldn’t Campbell have the formations memorized by now?
you have GOT to be freakin kidding me!!!! this guy doesn't know is OWN formations? YET?
It's back to the basics, AGAIN! Nobody wants to put in the time. That's what makes Gradkowski so good. He spends the time and has a handle on the Raiders' offense, with all its flaws. Like it or not, Ski is the best the Raiders have. Now if he could just stay healthy.
Beat the Donkeys with Boller at QB and get Ski back for the Sea Chickens the following week and we will be in a decent position.
Our rushing attack and pass D will determine the game vs. the Donkey.
Boller has been a #1, #2, and #3 QB. He has been around the block and is familiar with Huey's offensive gameplan. I think he is at that point in his career where he can step up for a short window of time and not be fazed by the moment.
Denver is tailored made for us to win:
Weak rushing offense, bad run D, and weak QB pass rushing.
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Calico Jack said...
Beat the Donkeys with Boller at QB and get Ski back for the Sea Chickens the following week and we will be in a decent position.
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Sounds like Boller back to 3rd string for whatever reason...
Hopefully Grads will be ready.
I hope we both agree that we need some creative blitz packages to disrupt the Denver passing attack... this could get ugly early with a vanilla package and relying on our horrible DB's to stop the NFL's 3rd rated passing team.
Visions of SD without two punt blocks coming...
Yikes... I don't feel good about this game...
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Yikes... I don't feel good about this game...
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Qualifier..
McFadden 100% and slashing defenses like earlier... we have a chance regardless.
McFadden standing on sidelines... yikes...
When asked what problems the passing offense had on Sunday, Cable more or less offered - bad WR route-running, bad passes and bad decision-making.
Isn't that everything?
Oh yeah, he forgot to mention bad playcalling.
Apparently, nothing substantial is wrong with Campbell's knee, so he is a candidate to play this Sunday. But you could almost see the apprehension in Cable's face when asked if Campbell will play.
Clearly, Campbell sucks, and Boller is a better choice if Gradkowski can't play.
But how does a Raiders’ HC take an Al Davis hand-picked QB and relegate him to third string (A) just five games into the season (B) after the Jim Plunkett comparison and (C) on the heels of Davis asserting JaMarcus Russell will be great then witnessing his utter failure?
Is it even fathomable that Boller would play ahead of Campbell?
My weekly drive-by...
It was pretty clear to me that Campbell was the problem. Would someone please tell me why Gradkowski is the only QB we've had since KFC who can find the wide receivers on this team?
Russell was starting to show signs at the end of his second season, but other than that, only Gradkowski.
Really, there's nothing wrong with Campbell that the right system around him wouldn't fix. He'd be a Jon Gruden favorite. That's not a slap at Jon Gruden. I think Campbell would be the best QB we have for that system.
But the Raiders' current style of offense, coupled with the type of receivers we currently have is more free form requiring adjustments on the move. That's what Gradkowski does best. He knows the system, but he also understands the receivers. While Campbell expects the receiver to be exactly where he's supposed to be and exactly on time, Gradkowski understands that the receiver's pattern may have been altered and will buy time to look for him with his feet.
Gradkowski understands how to use the offense, while Campbell focuses on its mistake limiting demands. Bruce is the right QB for this offense.
Problem is... Bruce is delicate. That may be unfair because he will put his shoulders down and run. And I'd be hesitant to attempt to get him to change.
We need Bruce Almighty to make this work. But how many games will he play?
Scorpio...
Like I said "JeFat" left a booleg bottle of "JePurpleDrank" behind and that bastard "JustCrap" Drank it before the game....
Ah!..Duh!...What formation will that be in...I danot remember so Ah!..."HIKE"....Now where at be my players...Ah!...I dana know he was there....Oooops!...Than man want's to kill me!!!...Wata do!!...Run for my life!!....
That pretty much sums up the play-by-play of "JustCrap"...
Raiders -vs "MuleHeads" "0"-vs-"D"
"O"-#21.........."D"-#19
Pass-#23.........#15
Rush-#10.........#25
Scoring-#14......#27 Tie
"OL"-#28.........Sacks-#27 Tie
.................Ints-#16 Tie
"D"-#22.........."O"-#6
Pass-#8..........#3
Rush-#30.........#32
Scoring-#29......#13
Sacks-#13 Tie...."OL"-#20
Ints-#30
As "CJ" pointed out we should run that damn ball -n- dump-off to our "RB"s-n-"TE"...Here we should also be able to throw if we have a "QB" with his head in the game...They are also very weak at Scoring "D" and weak at pressure as noted by "CJ"...Int's are average...
Stopping them will be an issue...Fortunately their "OL" play is not very good...If we can slow down their passing game we may need to worry about the run...They found a way to rush for 145yds against NYJ when their passing game was held to only 200yds....They do score pts so this will be an issue...We need to bring that heat in this game...No sitting back waiting for the game to come to us...We need to shut down that pass and maybe the 5-man front "Big-Nickle" would work again here like against "SD"...
The "D"s are very similar but the "O"s are not...They have the definite advantage passing and us rushing....
Den 7-9pts over Oak...Raiders 3-n-4
SD 2-3 over NE...NE wins 2-n-4
KC 4.5 over Jac..."KC" wins 4-n-2
PantyRaider....We Take 2nd Place!!!/_
You can't just say, Gradkowski is fragile.
How can we tell, while he's playing behind, perhaps the worst 0-line in Raiders history.
Remember, Campbell is banged up too, and I suspect all Raider Qb's will end up in the hospital at some point this season.
The 0-line is just terrible.
That is why the Raiders focus in the off season should have been naming Gradski the starter, and beefing up the 0-line to protect him.
They did draft 2 0-linemen, but that was not enough it seems.
Got to get this 0-line fixed one of these decades. But hey, no rush. Take all the time you need, Al.
"Miren McBush" will prolley be healthy for this game...1st of the season...Bennett may also be available...
Cable doesn’t believe it’s necessary to bring in another quarterback for the practice squad.
Don't like it...Bring back Colt...
— Mario Henderson will continue to alternate with Jared Veldheer at left tackle, Cable said, but it appears Veldheer may be getting closer to winning the job outright.
Let's hope so..."Stupid Mario" will get our "QB"s killed...Well...On 2nd thought let him play the 1st dn while "JustCrap" gets mashed into the turf...Now we can move on...
PantyRaider...If Not "Ski" Please Boller Please!!!/_
Careful "00". You’re not suggesting Al Davis has neglected the O-line, are you? Because he did draft Veldheer and Campbell, as well as sign players like Barnes, Satele, Pears, Walker and Harris over the past few years.
And for anyone that doubts that Al Davis is 100% fully in charge of personnel, listen to Cable's PC response when questioned if the Raiders were looking into a possible trade before the deadline.
Of course he could be lying, but it sounded pretty clear that Cable had no idea of any potential personnel moves, and he was totally out of that loop.
I just get this feeling that the GM and the HC don't really collaborate on the roster. The GM gets players and the coaches play with what they have. Pretty simple... and yet very ineffective.
Raider00...
I think an effort is being made to address the "OL" issues..."Veld" is developing to become our new "LT" in replacement of "StupidMario"...Lopper is playing well as "G" if they just leave him in....It was said Campbell is getting close to getting playing time as well and preparing mostly at "RG"...
"C" -n- "RT" are areas that will still need to be addressed but how much did you expect in one season and "QB"/"WR" continue to need attention...
We all agreed that the "DL"-n-"LB"s were an urgent area of need...We still may need some up-grade on the "D" like at "CB" with Nmamdi getting long in the tooth and "CJ" failing to produce...It's a work in progress but progress is being made finally...
We have an excellent young core of "RB"s as well as "TE"s...Our "WR"s are young -n- adequate but need that special player and a coach...We are deep at 2nd "QB" with no real starter...We have 1/2 an "OL" in place...
On "D" we are young -n- developing very well -w- a few notable weaknesses that continue to hang on...Coaching could improve here as well...
We are competitive...
PantyRaider...No One Was Expecting A "SB" Caliber Team 2010!!!!/_
Very few "HC"s have any idea what is going on in the front office and even less have any direct input as to "FA"s -n- the draft...It has always been find a way to win with what your given...
Under our "Cone-o-Silence" what answer would you expect Cable to give...
Agent: Jackson to report to Chargers next week
Vincent Jackson’s(notes) agent says he’s told the San Diego Chargers that the wide receiver will report next week and sign his contract tender.
By reporting Oct. 29, Jackson will be able to serve a three-game, team-imposed suspension on the roster exempt list, then play in the final six games to accrue his sixth season toward unrestricted free agency.
Did "SD" just get more difficult to beat???...
PantyRaider...If He's A "FA" We Need To Go After Him!!!!/_
I often hear that, as a fan, I don't know anything, and that the professional coaches always know better than me. You know, the same coaches who get canned on a regular basis for not doing a good job.
So I'm watching the Jaguars on Monday night, and it's just driving me nuts watching them engineer this insanely long drive while down multiple scores in the fourth. It reminded me of the Norv Turner and Art Shell days, when the inexplicable was never in short supply.
Well, I wasn't alone, here is the latest report via PFT:
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There was a lot not to like about Jacksonville's performance on Monday night. Perhaps the biggest head-scratcher was their eight minute long drive to start the fourth quarter.
Trailing 20-3, the Jaguars showed no urgency to keep time on the clock. The drive contained eleven runs. They ran the ball six straight times in the red zone before choosing to finally throw a few times inside the five-yard line.
The sequence was hard to explain while watching. Even for the team's head coach.
"I wasn't real wild about the consecutive runs there," Del Rio said about the last two runs inside the ten. "I would have loved to have seen us be able to score at all, but score quicker. We spent too much time, in my opinion. We have to be better in that situation."
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They needed two touchdowns and field goal, very doable over a full quarter--unless they spend half of the quarter screwing around.
How does stuff like this happen?
Anyhow, that's my rant of the day.
from J-Mac:
"Quarterback Kyle Orton is on pace to pass for an NFL record 5,179 yards. Three wide receivers _ Jabar Gaffney (37-408), Brandon Lloyd (34-663) and Royal (32-367) have 30 catches or more.
The Raiders leading wide receiver, by contrast, is Louis Murphy, with 19 receptions for 308 yards."
Pretty telling information.
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The Raiders leading wide receiver, by contrast, is Louis Murphy, with 19 receptions for 308 yards."
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...and Larry Fitzgerald has 26 for 301.
Funny what happens if you don't have a QB.
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raider00 said...
You can't just say, Gradkowski is fragile.
How can we tell, while he's playing behind, perhaps the worst 0-line in Raiders history.
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I dunno if I'd go that far... we've led the league is sacks many times before (4th right now) and have been nowhere near the top in rushing.
Out of the last 8 yrs, this might be the Raiders BEST oline... although granted, that isnt saying much.
Now compare their "RB"s/"TE" for the rest of the story who put up a fraction of what ours do...
"RB"s...
Knowshon Moreno 51/159yds 3.1 ave
Correll Buckhalter 38/82 2.2 ave
Laurence Maroney 36/74yds 2.1 ave
"TE"s...
Daniel Graham 11/84yds 7.6 ave
Dan Gronkowski 3/13yds 4.3 ave
"RB" as receivers...
Correll Buckhalter 12/83yds 6.9 ave
Knowshon Moreno 5/71yds 14.2 ave
Laurence Maroney 4/50yds 12.5 ave
"RT"...
I thought the same thing...Basically...Kinda like us running up the gut over and over on 1st dn for minimal yds...The only logical answer I can come up with is that both "OC"s were afraid as hell to let their "QB"s pass that ball...
PantyRaider...Should We be Going After Vincent Jackson This off Season If He's A "FA"!!!!/_
PR,
You say the 0-line is being addressed. Well, yes, it is, in that old "Raider Way".
Let's see. Valdheer was drafted as an LT. Projected as an RT. Switched over to center. And now is back as a part time LT.
Bruce Campbell has yet to step on the field, but is slated to be a guard.
You call this, developing ?
Meanwhile, the other "blue chip", LT, Robert Gallery, is also a guard, when he's not nursing his numerous injuries.
The only thing one can conclude about this 0-line is, it's getting pretty crowded at the guard position.
In fact, the more tackles the Raiders draft, the more guards they end up with.
And as for the "Young D", you're so high on.
Once again, the Raiders rank 30th in run defense.
So when it comes to the 0-line and run defense. The more the Raiders try to fix it, the worse they get.
But our 81 yr old GM will be at it again this off season.
With the same ideas. The same strategies. And unfortunaely, the same results.
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raider00 said...
PR,
You say the 0-line is being addressed. Well, yes, it is, in that old "Raider Way".
Let's see. Valdheer was drafted as an LT. Projected as an RT. Switched over to center. And now is back as a part time LT.
Bruce Campbell has yet to step on the field, but is slated to be a guard.
You call this, developing ?
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LOlololol!
Uhh they're ROOKIES!!!
Gawd do you have to be such a knee jerk, spoiled brat, instant gratification sports fan?
You are all whats wrong with todays sports fans times TEN!
Its embarrassing!
"...and Larry Fitzgerald has 26 for 301.
Funny what happens if you don't have a QB."
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Huh? What's your point?
You make Kyle Orton sound like some gunslinger. Orton is, at best, an average QB. The difference is, he has a been given the tools and a system to succeed. It's not brain surgery.
If Davis would empower his HC, perhaps the Raiders could take a small step forward.
Meanwhile, is it possible that both KC and Denver are further along in their own development than the Raiders? At the start of this year, we were supposed to be the team with a leg up. Instead, we now seem to be regressing, again. How's that even possible?
This won’t go over well, but I thought we had better direction under Kiffin (early on) than we do now. This team looks completely lost. I'm convinced nobody on the Raiders staff, nor anyone in the organization, i.e., with enough balls to say so, has any idea how to fix this team.
The “back to fundamentals” speech is getting old. The problem with fundamentals is that the Raiders are fundamentally unsound.
The Raiders are severely broken, but not beyond repair. They need to modernize their entire way of doing business, starting with competent management. Personally, I don’t think there’s enough money in Fort Knox to get Parcels to come here and fix this mess.
Uhh they're ROOKIES!!!
Gawd do you have to be such a knee jerk, spoiled brat, instant gratification sports fan?"
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Instant gratification? LOL. It's like waiting for Halley's Comet to return.
"Gawd do you have to be such a knee jerk, spoiled brat, instant gratification sports fan?"
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Instant gratification ?? LOL !!!
Are you serious ??
Hell, I'm a Raiders fan.
I've been waiting 8 years for the team to win 6 games in one season.
What, I'm not patient enough ?
Damn Gary, that was your funniest line ever.
Is your last name Dangerfield ??
Well while the "Criers Circle" reinforces their hold on the "Doom-n-Gloom" I'm going to enjoy my Raider football...
Death to da "Donkey"s I say -n- giv'em no quarter!!!!...
PantyRaider....Hopelessness Is Hopeless!!!/_
Is that why Gary gets "no respect"?
JONES
I'm going to enjoy my Raider football. As Waste says while sitting in the corner singing "don't worry, be happy". Maybe Chicken Little was right.....run for the hills Waste, RUN.
JONES
"Hopelessness Is Hopeless!!!/_"
Pretending is for kids.
JONES
Panty, what is this all about a "Criers Circle" ?
Are you saying we shouldn't be unhappy when the Raiders lose ?
And conversely, are you sitting there with a big smile on your face as the Raiders stumble through these games ?
And bumble through these seasons ?
If the Raiders get thumped in Denver on Sunday, should I be happy ? Will you be ?
What is the point of all this ?
Damn criers! We should all take what the Raiders give us and be happy. Five wins a season should be good enough. Who are we to "cry" for six wins, or seven wins to break the double-digit loss streak. Shame on us.
How dare we expect the Raiders to field a QB that can post above a 25 QB rating every week, or WRs that can catch more than 35 balls in an entire season.
Imagine the nerve!
FYI, Campbell posted a 10.7 QB rating against the 49ers. That’s worse than Russell ever posted. Where’s the improvement in that?
Hell, I'm willing to concede that DHB's ineffectiveness is not entirely his fault. There's enough incompetence to go around. Pretty much, everybody is to blame, top to bottom.
Raider00...
There are several approaches to everything...Some Pos and the rest Neg...When it's always Neg no mater what happens while crying about the same "BS" over -n- over than it gets the label "Criers Circle" because that's what it reminds me of...
Old women who sit around an oak tree and act like weeping willows with their heads hung low crying "Life has passed us by"....
Those of us who enjoy the games and -n- continue in our full hearten support for this franchise have been labeled as everything from myopic to delusional to "KoolAid Drinkers" to the "Crew"....Well now that's just fine...We just supportin babies!!!...
So in answer to your question...Yes...I will still be happy because I got to watch my team play and I still have hope...I see all the area's of improvement and know we're just a few missing pieces from competing on the large scale...
I'm disgusted by things like I saw last Sunday where a "QB" is so inept and the play-calling couldn't adjust to the circumstances and that bitch was left in the game...I'm unhappy to lose but not devastated by it..
Now answer me this Raider00...Can't you see the improvement in this team...Can't you see how this yr we are in every game sense week #2...Can't you see that we still have a fighting chance...Can't you enjoy the efforts made by the bulk of our young players...Can't you show a little compassion to the players who are giving it up and continue to do so despite what ails us...They don't quit...The coaches don't quit...The owner hasn't quit..Only "Some" have laid down -n- quit on this team as fans...
PantyRaider...Waiting Your Reply!!!/_
"Who are we to "cry" for six wins"
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Whooooooaaaaaa there, NYRaider. 6 Wins ?
What kind of a, instant gratificaion, spoiled brat of a fan are you ?
PR,
If you believe the final scores being a bit closer, is a big sign of improvement, that's your opinion.
But I see a team that still ranks near the bottom in run defense.
A team that still has big QB issues.
A team with forever lingering 0-line problems.
A team with a slew of busted 1st round draft picks, littering their roster.
A team, with the game on the line, that will miss the chip field goal at the end, and lose...again.
A team on the march toward another 10+ loss season.
You want to call me negative, fine, call me negative.
The bottom line is, there a 10 games to go this season.
All I am asking, is for the Raiders to go 5-5, for a 7-9 finish.
Is 7 wins to great a goal for the Raider organization to strive for ?
Am I being unreasonable ?
Am I asking too much ??
I'm sorry if you think so.
Well I'm sorry if all you can do is cry...That's your bad not mine...So don't get bewildered if I ain't joining you...But crying is for babies and I haven't been one in forever...
NYR, Raider OO, Jones:
How dare you expect the team that you follow and love to win more than 5 games. The bar is so freakin' low that die hard Raider fans goal is to have a "magical" season w/o double digit losses.
What really bothers me to no end is that the following formula would be more than enough to compete in the AFCW this season:
Good QB play, decent WR production, good rushing attack, solid red zone conversion rate, an opportunistic D, and timely ST play.
Sadly enough, excluding 2 quarters vs. the Lambs and the game vs. the Chargers, we have missed the mark.
raider00 said In fact, the more tackles the Raiders draft, the more guards they end up with.
That would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad.
Raiders need a solid LT bad. Guards are a dime a dozen.
Funny what happens if you don't have a QB?
What QB? Kyle Orton? Really? So are you saying with Orton at QB for the Raiders, DHB, Murphy, and JLH would all have 30+ receptions and over 1400 yards instead of a paltry 19/14/3 for 500 yards total?
Ummm, I don't think so.
It appears to be more than just a bad QB and bad WRs unfortunately.
Waste is a poser, he ACTS morally superior because he stays "positive" through thick and thin. Brings a tear to the eye, doesn't it? Waste, a friend to the end, sniffle sniffle.
JONES
Raiders Left Tackle Manifests
It finally appears that Jario Velderson has matured into Jared Veldheer and will become the full time starting left tackle for the Oakland Raiders. Mario "open door" Henderson may now take up residence on the bench, where he will have a better line of sight to view his peeps in the stands.
This according to a Tafur tweet from today's practice where Veldheer is taking all of the snaps at LT.
At least now we will know by the end of the season whether or not we have found our left tackle.
This was a Pos in the middle of all your crying..Funny how "Some" can still find a reason to cheer and show hope while others die in total despair...
PantyRaider...Will The Left Side Hold Up For A Change...
Some fans embrace failure. That's why the Raiders continue to fail. It's become a culture of losing.
I can only hope the same fans that are happy with the status quo don't embrace failure in their personal endeavors as well.
If the Raiders could some how pull off being mediocre after seven years of rebuilding, they could win their division.
Unfortunately, that's a tall order.
At the bye this year, I would hope either the Raiders will have solved their early-season problems (if that's what you want to call it) or Al Davis begins the process of looking for a new GM to guide his team next year.
Last Sunday should be all the proof Davis needed to see his team has gone nowhere in seven plus years.
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What QB? Kyle Orton? Really? So are you saying with Orton at QB for the Raiders, DHB, Murphy, and JLH would all have 30+ receptions and over 1400 yards instead of a paltry 19/14/3 for 500 yards total?
Ummm, I don't think so.
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Orton isn't a bad QB, if that is what you are saying.
If he had started every game for the last two years for the Raiders. yes, our WR's would be miles ahead right now instead of the FOURTH starter they now have to get used to.
And yes, Denver has a better line then the Raiders too... and Denver has pretty much given up on the run... thus obviously they will have better passing stats.
Sooo how do you explain Fitzgerald suddenly having worse stats as our 2nd leading receiver (for some reason Miller doesn't count as a receiver in this forum.)
Does he suddenly stink out loud or something?
NYR... why don't you simply save time and number your rants against Al and put the number in the subject line and push send?
"AL RANT #2" or something?
Its the same rant every week for the last three years... are you assuming we don't get it yet or something?
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CJ:
Good QB play, decent WR production, good rushing attack, solid red zone conversion rate, an opportunistic D, and timely ST play.
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The first two are tied together, and the STs, and rushing attack are fine.
Yes, the defense has to be better... not sure what we are supposed to expect playing a third string QB...
WTF would you whine about our STs and rushing attack?
Just curious.
Are you just trying to keep up with the Whine Brothers, and Jones?
STs and our rushing attack is a problem now... the things I learn at the Take!
JaBUSTus opens his big mouth again, forgetting that that ONE team paid his lazy ass 40 mil guaranteed..
http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/sports/JaMarcus-Vows-Comeback-Disses-Raiders-105461448.html
Personally, I am proud of my impatience. Raiders fans have waited longer than any fans in the history of the NFL for their team to regain a measly 6-win total, and in the parity era, no less.
I am impatient for impact rookies, not rookies whose big impact resides somewhere in the distant future, it at all. I am impatient for us to figure out a way to stop the run, despite giving up a first rounder and drafting a first rounder for this very purpose (after ignoring the problem for years). I am impatient for the Raiders to stop bringing in mediocre starting quarterbacks with no evident fire or leadership presence (KFC, Brooks, Russell and now Campbell). I am impatient for out coaches to stop with the vanilla stuff, and to instill disciplined, consistent play on all sides of the ball. I am impatient for executive assistance that could help us evaluate talent more effectively and make moves that resemble the game of chess instead of the game of Twister.
So yes, consider me impatient. And proud of it.
Well, Gary, having some kind of queue system for my complaints is actually not a bad idea, because the Raiders continue to spin out the very same failures that got them started on their present run.
The Raiders, themselves, are like a broken record.
Give me the same failures, I'll continue to point out the same problems. It's really very simple.
In Kindergarten ease, the Raiders keep failing football 101, and they have been held back for seven straight years. That’s a long time to spend in Kindergarten. It’s nothing less than absurd.
I’d love to be able to say I think they’re moving in a positive direction. Last week’s game proves otherwise.
Just curious. Where do you see improvement?
Why bother with the "positive"? Why bother saying, oooo, he looks good, or, we are improving here and there? In the next week of ball, the very position you are pimping now will be the reason for another loss.
Every week, it's something else that breaks down, one part will look ok and then another falls apart. This has been going on for over 7 years. But the "crew" still thinks that there is improvement and that corner is being turned and on and on.
But, the win total stays the same and the way the Raiders lose stays the same. What is the definition of insanity? Why bother putting lipstick on the pig? Some people live in reality, others crave a false reality because they just can't man up to the REAL reality. And that's all I've got to say about that.
JONES
"I can only hope the same fans that are happy with the status quo don't embrace failure in their personal endeavors as well."
Now that one can't escape comment...
Has the economic crash got you so down that you can't see anything good left in life...Do you cry like this about every little thing that happens around you...Do you pull the pillow over your eyes every time you see that new sun rise wanting to hide from the world at large...Are they "Out to get'cha"....HuH!!!...
Damn!...Now talk about talkin some shit that really takes it...
I would wager that those of us who have a positive approach to our Raiders are also the ones who have a positive approach in life and enjoy the things around us despite all the little inconveniences that plague mankind...
Now let me see...My friend "H" has recently undergone major back surgery and has been placed on the "IR" for a good portion of the season....Do I detect any depression in the way the old bot posts...NOT at all...In fact he was happy to be as pain free as he is and looking forward to enjoying his grans kids and some Raider football...
Now I ask you is that what we could expect from the "Criers Circle"...NOT!!!...
Now let me recall...My old friend "BR" has been under some medical stress as well but do I detect any down trodden depression in the way he approaches life...NOT a bit as he enjoys sailing the bay...
Gary always seems to be very properly focused on the positives so is there really any reason to suspect he is in tremendous agony over defeat in life...NOT a bit!!!/_
Now for me...Do I appear in some sort of "Tropical Depression" or something...Am I discouraged with my lot in life as "Old" -n- "Disabled" surviving in my pains...Ya! Right!...That's why I'm at that 24hr Fitness nightly around 1am and riding my ass around on that bicycle on the boardwalk here in Carlsbad...Hangin out at the Catina with Charger fans given each other bad over our continued loosing ways and predominately very Pos on this and other boards I visit...
Damn!...Never has the "Failure" tag been more misplaced than by "NYR"s attempt to project his mental deficiencies upon the Pos others...Now that was some really misplaced accusations Bub!!...
PantyRaider...Liv'in It Luv'in It While Travelin The World At Large Look'in For My Next Sunrise With Glee!!!
Like Shirley Temple always said...
"Ain't Life Grand"....
Well yes it is Shird -n- and I'm damn glad I got to grow up watch'in your pretty little face showin the world how to approach life's pains because you always did it so well no matter how devastating it looked around you your smile -n- happy approach always pulled you threw...
One yr older than our "GodFather" Mr Al Davis...
http://onaired.com/2010/07/shirley-temple/
Did you by chance run Junior Seau off the road down there in Carlsbad?
;)
Are you plagued with animal crackers in your soup???...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNwFXLcrsbc
This kid is just the kind of therapy the "Board of Depression" needs to pull it's heart out of it's ass...
I guess we all know who that mean old man is that wants to abuse poor little Shirley for SINGING when times are bad!!!!....
Tune in next week for....
PantyRaider....How Dare I Laugh In The Face Of Defeat!!!/_
"RT"...
I saw something about he got arrested and crashed but didn't read it...Was that here in Carlsbad...That's way too funny...
Sing Polly-Wally-Doodle-Waddle-Dang...
Fare dee well let the gloom be on it's way...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrqfGqBA-ws&NR=1
Makes a very good point that grown-ups don't have as much sense as children...
PantyRaider...Shirley Is So Full Of Good Therapy!!!/_
"Raiderette" try outs with the front office -n- coaching staff...And ya wonder why we got's problems...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-F8TiK0T-A&feature=related
Team on their way to the dangerous "MuleValley" stops off in the "Squaw" wilderness for a meal...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OYiauWwtKQ&feature=related
PantyRaider...Way Too Funny!!!/_
Asomugha covered Michael Crabtree for most of the Raiders' 17-9 loss to the 49ers on Sunday and limited him to one reception for 10 yards. But with Asomugha not in coverage, Crabtree caught three passes for 47 yards, including a 32-yard touchdown that gave the 49ers a lead they never relinquished.
Crabtree's touchdown came on a post route against the zone. The player responsible for that part of the field was late reacting. Tyvon Branch and Chris Johnson are both taking the blame.
Just as I speculated they were playing some sort of zone that confused them...Scrap that crap and play "M-to-M" the RaiderWay...Please!!!...
5-Man-Front "Big Nickle"....
PantyRaider...That Zone Will Cost Us A Chance In This Game!!!/_
Interesting how Crabtree's production has essentially tripled since they fired their OC.
"RT"...
I'm telling ya without a quality "WR" Coach we are in a world of hurt and have been sense Freddy-B retired...Those tings do make a difference...
What did we change over last season..."QB"s are essentially the same but with "JustCrap" added but our "O" has improved immensely over last season with the addition of the "OC"....
PantyRaider...Let's See What Kile Has!!!/_
"I would wager that those of us who have a positive approach to our Raiders are also the ones who have a positive approach in life and enjoy the things around us despite all the little inconveniences that plague mankind..."
You see, Pantywaste uses his posing of "Mr Positive" as his gateway to " I've got life figured out, you don't". The "crew" is insane, it's NEVER about football, it's about pissing contests and who is farther ahead in their human development, false to the core.
We all have our troubles, some just try to indentify those troubles, with a clear mind, then fix those troubles. Some go through PRETENDING there are no troubles and just solve their troubles through denial ("crew"). Which leads to bigger troubles and a continuation of those troubles, mirrors the Raiders, the "crew" ain't got nothing figured out, except how to avoid reality.
Making out that you are on a better cloud because you deny things that are wrong is just the type of thinking that puts you on that cloud in the first place.
JONES
I'm telling ya, if you don't have the talent to begin with...it ain't going to work. Thing is, in football, you need it ALL TO WORK. Coaching, talent, scheme, football IQ. It's all needed, if you are lacking at one area, they all suffer. Raiders have been lacking in most areas for over 7 years now, when is it going to get fixed?
Huey has made the Offense better? A 10 rating by the QB is better? RB with a 3 yrd avg is better? WR's who are invisible is better? Sounds like the same ole same ole. Looking for nuggets? Keep searching, who cares what others think, you know it will show up somewhere.
JONES
"Now let me see...My friend "H" has recently undergone major back surgery and has been placed on the "IR" for a good portion of the season....Do I detect any depression in the way the old bot posts...NOT at all...In fact he was happy to be as pain free as he is and looking forward to enjoying his grans kids and some Raider football..."
FFS's, thing is, only the "crew" feels the need to share their life on here for some unknown reason. Only an idiot would tell their life story on the internet. But, guess who does it.
Tell us about your life of mystery and adventure, Waste, then get pissed when it is brought up, like it's a code violation. FALSE TO THE CORE, the "crew" is FAKE.
Panty is on a FruitLoop cloud today...keep going Waste, you are giving plenty of ammo to show your fakeness.
JONES
"Gary always seems to be very properly focused on the positives so is there really any reason to suspect he is in tremendous agony over defeat in life...NOT a bit!!!/"
This is CLASSIC, hey Gary, do you notice that Waste says your life is defeated, too funny. Waste, you are a real CLOWN.
JONES
"H" has recently undergone major back surgery and has been placed on the "IR" for a good portion of the season....Do I detect any depression in the way the old bot posts...NOT at all"
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PR, you've finally convined me.
Instead of watching the Raiders on Sunday. I will check myself into the hospital for major back surgery.
Though my back feels fine.
It is less painful to have the surgery, then to watch the Raider game.
Thank you PR. I can feel the doom lifting off my shoulders.
PantyRaider -
You have it all backwards. You're the one embracing failure with a "positive" smile on your face.
And thank you for your concern. Fortunately, I have been able to adapt with the economic climate. By extension, I refuse to stand by and embrace failure as you and some of your colleagues seem to do.
In fact, I have some extra time to help the Raiders implement some of the changes we talk about here. If you would be so kind to put in a good word for me with Al Davis, I am available and ready to meet the challenges ahead.
We will surround ourselves with successful professionals in the field, and we build a model around the current times and other successful organizations around the league.
It will be a new and exciting time for the Raiders and their fans.
Ok, now I'm excited. When can we start?
Funny how the Raiders say nothing through the worst period in their storied history, and simply rest on the strength of their brand, which is fading quickly.
Sports fans are fickle by nature, yet here we are almost a decade into a rebuilding process that never seems to get started, being called out for even suggesting change might be in order.
loss #5 comin' right up!
campbell is starting!
http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2010/10/22/if-no-setbacks-its-campbell-vs-broncos/
Scorpio...
I can't believe Kile couldn't beat that bastard out for playing time...Now this is painful...Or it will be if I have to sit threw another #10 in performance...
But look on the Pos side...At one point the "Snake" posted a 9.9 so could it be "JustJunk" is about to explode upon the scenes like Kenny did and lead us to the promised land....
PantyRaider....Holding My Breath But My Eyes Bug-Out!!!/_
That was your bad "NYR" so there's just NO passing the buck BuB!!!!...
Or projecting your emotional depression onto others....
"That was your bad "NYR" so there's just NO passing the buck BuB!!!!..."
Am I supposed to understand that statement?
The reason Campbell can put up a 10-rating and still get the nod to start is simple... it's not the coaches decision to make.
Boller was the better QB in pre-season and he has past experience working with Hue Jackson.
CJ: "Good QB play, decent WR production, good rushing attack, solid red zone conversion rate, an opportunistic D, and timely ST play."
Gary: "The first two are tied together, and the STs, and rushing attack are fine."
Gary, I'm not whining. What I was trying to convey is a very realistic, achievable platform for the Raiders to compete in our division THIS season. The lack of consistency is killing us.
* We have not had consistent QB play. (injuries and poor performances)
* Our WR production has been dismal. (2nd year in a row)
* Our rushing attack has been inconsistent. (Bush vs. SF -> 20 carries for 47 yards)
* Our red zone conversion rate has killed us in 2 games (vs. AZ and SF)
* Our ST play has been good but a 37 yard chip shot miss by SeaBass cost us a win.
Instead of sitting at 4-2, we are 2-4 largely because of the points I mentioned above.
Well "CJ" ya gotta admit we are losing about the same way we were losing under Gruden his 1st 2 seasons....So as that relates to your past comments on this board that should be encouraging...At least we're in the games unlike most of the past 7 previous losing seasons...
So as Gruden always say's...
"We need to tighten it up on that side of the ball"...
PantyRaider...Doable -n- Not Too Late!!!/_
"Well "CJ" ya gotta admit we are losing about the same way we were losing under Gruden his 1st 2 seasons....So as that relates to your past comments on this board that should be encouraging...At least we're in the games unlike most of the past 7 previous losing seasons..."
Yeah, we're hanging in there with the Rams, Cards and 49ers. We had to score twice on ST and once on defense to beat SD and the Titans blew us out.
Just like the Gruden years... very encouraging.
A Week-by-Week Look Ahead...
Seahawks
"O"-#27......."D"-#17
Pass-#21.....Pass-#30
Rush-#30.....Rush-#2
Chiefs
"O"-#18......."D"-#20
Pass-#27.....Pass-#27
Rush-#1.......Rush-#5
Bye Week........
Steelers
"O"-#28........"D"-#5
Pass-#28......Pass-#24
Rush-#9…..Rush-#1
Dolphins
"O"-#12........"D"-#9
Pass-#13......Pass-#12
Rush-#14 Tie..Rush-#16
Chargers
"O"-#1.........."D"-#6
Pass-#1.......Pass-#1
Rush-#13.....Rush-#6
Jaguars
"O"-#25........"D"-#29
Pass-#26.....Pass-#28
Rush-#6.......Rush-#19
Bronkos
"O"-#6........."D"-#19
Pass-#3......Pass-#15
Rush-#32....Rush-#225
Colts
"O"-#2........."D"-#14
Pass-#2......Pass-#14
Rush-#24....Rush-#27
Chiefs
"O"-#18......."D"-#20
Pass-#27.....Pass-#27
Rush-#1......Rush-#5
Very doable if we can continue to win in the AFCW...We will know more about that Sunday...
PantyRaider...Play Angry Baby!!!/_
What a sorry ass crier you are...Go back -n- look at those games "98"-n-"99" and get a reality check...
http://www.nfl.com/teams/schedule?team=OAK&season=1998&seasonType=REG
http://www.nfl.com/teams/schedule?team=OAK&season=1999&seasonType=REG
"Boller was the better QB in pre-season and he has past experience working with Hue Jackson."
And, unlike Campbell, Boller probably knows the whole playbook (ref Gannon statements last gm). A QB starting who still doesn't have a handle on the playbook. What week is it? How is it that Raider Qb's that have been here since Mini camp, don't know the full playbook? It doesn't make sense, well, maybe to a few ("crew").
JONES
The reason I'm not getting that Gruden feeling is that Gruden's impact was visibly immediate in a cultural sense, and in his first two seasons we reached .500.
Right now, .500 still looks pretty far off, despite the fact that Cable is well into his second full year as head coach and, counting his interim days, a full 32 games into his head coaching tenure.
So I'm just not getting that feeling. I'd like to.
great post, I am interesting in it!
thanks, nice post.
Sorry PR but I just don't see any similarities between Gruden's 98 or 99 teams with the 2010 Raiders. I wish that I did because the Gruden team's were highly competitive on a week to week basis.
The big differences between the 98 + 99 teams and the 2009/2010 teams is establishing a level of consistency and execution.
The 99 team in particular demonstrated a far superior, precision oriented, sophisticated offensive game plan that makes our current offense look like a team that is reading "Offense for Dummy's Version 1.0".
I had a more Gruden-like feeling early on with Kiffin... young upstart with energy and, seemingly, a purpose.
Cable is more like Shell for me. He sometimes looks confused on the sideline, and his O-line grossly underperforms even the lowest of expectations, given it’s his presumed area of expertise.
What Gruden demonstrated is that it should only take two to three years to recover. Granted, the Raiders have sunk to new and uncharted depths, but eight-plus years to rebuild this team is every bit as ridiculous as it sounds.
The Raiders continue to perform a terrible injustice to their fans, and they seem oblivious to it; or, worse, they could care less.
Does anybody here really think playing Campbell over Boller gives the Raiders the best chance to win this Sunday?
Until about a week ago, Boller was the Ravens all-time passing leading. He is durable, and probably knows the playbook (as Jones and others here have mentioned). Meanwhile, Campbell looks every bit as confused as Russell behind center. His 10.7 QB rating last week says it all.
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CJ:
Gary, I'm not whining. What I was trying to convey is a very realistic, achievable platform for the Raiders to compete in our division THIS season. The lack of consistency is killing us.
* Our rushing attack has been inconsistent. (Bush vs. SF -> 20 carries for 47 yards)
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McFadden is hurt and our running game suffered... plus as JMAC pointed out... SF has been and prolly still is a VERY good run defense team.
More likely an aberration than a consistent problem... especially since we haven't even had BOTH Bush and McF healthy at the same time.
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* Our ST play has been good but a 37 yard chip shot miss by SeaBass cost us a win.
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Uhh... he hasn't missed since (IIRC) and we WON a friggin game we had no business winning because of STs, and our coverage and return yardage is way up. WTF? Punting is still outstanding.
You got caught pointing out two of the best things we are doing this year as PROBLEMS... and you claim above you are not whining?
The Whine Brothers are not rarely capable of doing anything BESIDES whine, I guess I think you are better... you bring some really good stuff to the table sometimes.
You can do better.
Gary -
I think you are taking my points out of context. What I'm trying to convey (for the 3rd time) is there are certain aspects of our performance that have been good at times but not consistent.
This lack of consistency or inopportune times to fall short is the difference between being 4-2 and 2-4.
Yes, our ST play has been outstanding and was a key cog in our W vs. SD. Yet, it stings when your team is in a position to win the game on a 37 yard chip shot and your highly paid kicker chokes.
Yes, our rushing offense has done fairly well in spite of Bush then McFadden being hurt. Yet, the weak rushing attack vs. SF is another major contributor to a loss. The poor running attack was a big reason we went 5 consecutive possessions with 3 and outs.
Instead of increasing our 6-0 lead, we allowed SF to stay in the game because we were unable to rely on our rushing attack to move the chains and work our way down the field for more points. Our 3rd downs during this dry spell were not manageable downs. Instead of getting 4,5,6 yard runs were were getting no gain, 1,2,3 yard runs. Bush averaged 2.3 yards per carry for the day.
"RT"-n-"CJ"....Please!!!...
I don't think you remember much about Gruden's 98 season at all...Now who was the starting "Q"...AuH!....I know...I know!!!...
Go back and relive that moment and don't talk "Consistency" to me when there absolutely was none...Only the "D" was playing well but the "O" was giving up the ball and constantly putting our "D" in bad field position...very similar to last season and this one...And I do believe had our "O" been able to sustain anything past that 1st quarter that we would have won our last game and possibly also against Tenn...The AZ loss is on "ST"s...
1998 Team Rank 69.2 -w- 21 TDs -n- 25 Ints
#3 Jeff George 7 games
#12 Donald Hollas 6 games
#16 Wade Wilson 3 games
1999 Team Rank 86.5 -w- 24 TDs -n- 14 Ints
#12 Rich Gannon 16 games
And if we can get ourselves that missing link at "QB" we would surly make that same transformation...As it is we're still stuck in that "98" moment of inconsistent "QB" play -w- the weekly guessing game of Who's da "QB" next time...
And you don't think we have gone threw a culture change yet...My! My! What team have you been watching...
PantyRaider....Very Very Similar Moments In Our History Regardless Of The Records!!!/_
"CJ"...
It wasn't the rush that killed us...We gained 113yds on the ground by comity...It was the dump-offs to our "RB"s -n- "TE"s that went in the toilet along with our "O" production...
Bush 2/12yds -n- Zack's 2/48yds came late while he was non existent the 1st 3 quarters and prolley half the 4th...
SF is #19 Rush "D" but #11 Pass...It wasn't anything they were doing to us as much as it was what we failed to do as a team..."JustCrap" was just that miserable as a "QB"...
PantyRaider...Please! Please! Start Kile!!!!/_
Gruden inherited a 4-12 team from Bugel Boy and took the team to a 8-8 record in his 1st season at the helm with a less than ideal situation at QB. That is a 4 game improvement in the win column.
The following year the Raiders went 8-8 again but established a prolific offense that led to a nice 3 year run of winning the division and advancing far in the playoffs.
Cable became interim coach in 2008 where the team went 5-11. In his 1st full season, he took the team to a 5-11 record with a less than ideal QB situation. We are currently on pace for another 5-11 season.
I'd love to see the Raiders win a minimum of 7 games this year or as many more as possible. A 2-4+ win improvement from last year would be tangible progress.
Winning more games, improving from one season to the next, going at least 8-8 ... these are some of the benchmarks for a HC's impact. You can spit out all the stats you want but they are meaningless.
Comparing Gruden's 1st 2 years as HC to Cable's 1st 2 years as HC is like night and day. Comparing the 98 Raiders or 99 Raiders to the 2009 or 2010 Raiders is off the mark.
"It wasn't the rush that killed us...We gained 113yds on the ground by comity..."
PR - Yes, our unproductive rushing attack did in fact kill us vs. SF.
Our net yards rushing was 110 yards. 47 of those total net yards were on an end around by Murphy. I would hardly call this a "comity" approach. Our primary ball carrier (Bush) got 20 carries for 47 yards. His 20 carries earned the same number of yards as our WR got on 1 play.
Once again, you are distorting stats to fit uninformed argument. Anyone, and I mean anyone, who watched the game knows full well that our rushing attack vs. SF was next to non-existent.
"CJ"...
Distorting stats is you gig not mine...I don't give a rats ass what position that player's # says he played...On that 43yd run Murphy was the ball carrier and part of that gameplan that gained 113yds on the ground in that damn game...He was not playing "WR" on that run play unless you want to count a lateral hand-off from Bush as a backwards pass...
Talk about distorting stats/facts...This is it...
established a prolific offense...
Are you dreaming...It was that "D" designed and run by Willie Shaw that got us to a better record NOT Gruden's "O" that couldn't utilize George efficiently at all because he didn't fit what "Grud-Dumb" wanted....He diminished the "O" when he came in until Gannon was acquired by Mr Davis...
"97" Raiders....Bugal -w- George
"O"-#13.........."D"-#30
"98" Raiders.....Gruden -w- George
"O"-#18.........."D"-#5...Shaw
"99" Raiders....Gruden -w- Gannon
"O"-#5.........."D"-#10...Shaw
"00" Raiders....Gruden -w- Gannon
"O"-#6..........."D"-#17....No Shaw
"01" Raiders....Gruden -w- Gannon
"O"-#7..........."D"-#18
"02" Raiders....Calihan -w- Gannon
"O"-#1..........."D"-#11
Now that's totally un-distorted facts...I don't distort...Instead I report everything with NO rejections for "Erroneous Data" the way some do while trying to build their own personal case like some damn attorney...
And for the record that "98" team had been a "500" team prior to Bugle under Shell I -n- White so we were only one season removed from competing at a 8-n-8 average....What Cable inherited was far worse than any team in Raider history sense I began watching in "62"....Or do you want to dispute that too somehow...It was broken much worse and much longer so it's expected it may take a little more effort -n- time to repair...
So Gruden going 8-n-8 for 2 seasons with a team that was 45-n-51 over it's past 6 seasons is not that huge of an accomplishment now is it...Basically just more of the same..."500" ball instead of "469" ball...
Conversely Cable was 4-n-8 as "IHC" on a team that was 24-n-72 over the past 6 seasons playing "250" ball...That's the total mess he inherited without a quality "QB" anywhere on the roster unless you want to discount "JePurple" as "Erroneous Data" also...
PantyRaider...Like I said That Missing Link Hasn't Showed Up Yet!!!/_
Here's what I think I know. If Cable can't get past the 5 win mark this year, he'll be canned. End of Gruden comparisons. So he'd better get to work, because 5 wins is the current pace.
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"McFadden is hurt and our running game suffered... plus as JMAC pointed out... SF has been and prolly still is a VERY good run defense team."
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So we are to rest the poor performance of an entire team on one man’s shoulders? Bush must really suck that McFadden could have made such a difference.
Making excuses only exposes other problems. Calling the same running play first down after first down, and trying to run against what is definitely a good run defense made no sense. Yet, that's what we did through the entire game, thanks to Hue Jackson.
If I were to guess, I would say Jackson scripted mostly running plays before the game and didn't have the wherewithal to make the necessary adjustments... most importantly after it became painfully obvious his game plan wasn’t working.
I’m sorry, but this "football 101 for dummies" shit is getting really old. I’ll admit I don’t know a lot about football strategy, but I do know when I’m getting punched in the face. That’s exactly what happens to the Raiders when they allow it. They get punched in the face, and their either too dumb or ill-equipped to do anything about it.
Injuries happen. Why should we lay that loss at McFadden’s feet? "Oh, but if McFadden was playing...." Blah, Blah, Blah.
Just more excuses. Excuse-makers are the real crybabies on this board.
IMO, a team steeped in losing for the eight straight years doesn't have the luxury of making excuses.
Like Gordon Gekko said, you either do it right or you get eliminated. It's that simple.
"Excuse-makers are the real crybabies on this board"
Bulls-Eye, NYR.
Injuries in the NFL are part of the normal landscape. That is why you have 53 well paid professional football players on your payroll. This is why it is the ultimate team sport where players step up and coaches make adjustments to find a way to win.
Blaming our rushing offense on McFadden being out is silly when you take a step back and look at what McFadden has produced for the Raiders in his career to date. He has run the ball well in a only a handful of games over the course of 2+ seasons. With his injury history and lack of consistent production, he is hardly the guy that you can build an offense around.
McFadden 2008
(1) 100+ yard game
Missed 3 games due to injury
McFadden 2009
(0) 100+ yard game
Missed 4 games due to injury
McFadden 2010
(2) 100+ yard games
Missed 2 games due to injury
You also were totally on point about Huey FAILING to make adjustments in the SF game. This is especially true when you consider the play calling when we had 5 consecutive 3 and outs. 5 offensive possessions and a TOTAL of 12 net yards or 15 snaps = 12 yards. Less than 1 yard per snap. Yikes.
"CJ"...
Last week it was all on the "WR"s and now it's all on the "RB"s and that makes sense to you....I find that very difficult to follow but it's very notable that the tracks of your tears are definitely there...
The running game produced and whether your willing to admit that or not is immaterial to the facts...
Dump-offs to the "RB"s was a definite area of failure compared to every other game we have played this season and that too is indisputable fact regardless of your attempts to ignore it...
"WR"/"TE" -n- "RB" receptions are directly tied to "QB" performance which is also indisputable fact...
Now how the hell that all translates to "Excuse Making" is anybodies guess...I wouldn't know...
So NO!!...You will find it very difficult nailing down any tracks of my tears....They just aren't there...
"RT"...
It was posted and pimped on this board that a "HC" needs to be given 3 full seasons "Hands-Off" to do his job but now less than midpoint threw Cable's 2nd season as "HC" ( Not "IHC") he is already being pimped to be removed...I find that very difficult to follow also...
And for the record Cable did improve our record...Lance was 4-n-12 and he was 1-3 to start but we finished 5-11 after Cable took us 4-8 and than he maintained that threw "09" which is not good but that's what that team translated to...No better but could have been worse...
No legitimate proven "QB"...
Rookie "WR"s...
2nd yr "RB"s behind worst "OL" ever
"D" depleted of "DL" -n- "LB"s
"DB" core less than adequate
NO legitimate "OC"
And you wanted miracles????...
This season is not yet at midpoint so any projections are simply speculations...But we are in the games at the end sense week #2 and I suspect will be also tomorrow not unlike Gruden's 1st 2 seasons...
PantyRaider..."God Gruden" Did NOT Improve The Record His 1st 2 Seasons!!!/_
We continued to play "500" ball and now we play slightly above the "250" ball of our past 7 seasons...
Quite simply for the record that's who we were as a team...A "250" caliber squad and that's all we had in us threw one "HC" after another...
Now culture is changing -n- advancements will be forthcoming...Slowly as it may be yet development non the less...
You criers have absolutely NO patients...It took time to create this mess and it will require time to readjust it...
Now if that's excuse making than excuse me for seeing things as they truly were/are...
PantyRaider...Damn!!...Those Rubber Walls Are Way Too Flexible!!!/_
Cable talks about the Raiders taking whatever defenses give them. Of course, that means some weeks the Raiders should pass more than run, and other weeks they should run more than pass. But when you keep running the ball into a brick wall without making adjustments, the results will not be good. It's a matter of simple physics.
This is Season 3 for Cable. The clock is ticking. The time for excuses (by anyone) is over.
GAME DAY!
GO RAIDERS!
The Raiders are 1-0 in the division. Today is nothing less than a playoff game. Let’s see if they play like it.
Open letter to the secondary: Can we magically have the game of the season? 5-6 passes defended, and a pick or two please? There's going to be no reason to stick your "nose in the backfield" this week... no reason to look behind you and say "Oh shit, he threw the ball." STOP THE PASS AND WE WIN!
Just do it... its why you make millions of dollars playing a game.
Thanx in advance...
BTW... I am sick and tired of people like JMAC making excuses for Huff, and the rest of our crappy free safeties by saying "Its the hardest job on defense in the NFL... being alone out on an island."
We nearly won a NFL title with POPE AND DORSETT in 2000!! Just defend a pass every once in awhile... how hard can it be??... you'd think you'd be in the same zip code every once in awhile by accident.
Since the Rams game... its been Good Game, Bad Game, Good Game, Bad Game...
Good Game's turn!
Boller at QB please... or at least a quick hook on JaMarcus Campbell if he stinks.
Gary...
You forgot one...But that's OK I got's it...
"DB"s....Forget that damn stupid Zone...It's just confusing you and the "QB"s -n- "WR"s know it...Play "Man" in the "Big-Nickle" -n- let the "DL" slap the shit out of them for holding the ball too long...Take away the opportunities and they either make mistakes throwing that ball or they get pummeled by the rush...Either way it's on your backs today to do your freakin jobs...
PantyRaider...Go Raiders!!!/_
Well there appears to be little hope for the Jags -vs- "KC" today..."KC" up 7-3 and prolley wont look back...
As I expected "KC" will be 4-n-2 on top the AFCW....
Ca'mone "Cheatsters" -n- slap them "Chargesters" in the face..."SD" at 2-n-4 would be a thing of beauty...
Raiders must win sending the "MuleHead"s into a tie for the bottom...
PantyRaider...Oh! Please "FootBallGods" Show Us A Sign Of Winning Today....And next Week Too For That Matter...And The Next!!!!/_
In fact just give us the rest of the season so I don't have to wear my waders anymore when I post here due to the flood of tears on this board....Hell!....If we lose today I'm a gonna need a life-jacket to stay afloat!!!...
Look Out!!!....It's a torrential cloud burst of tears cumin down!!!....
1:00pm Kick-Off means it's "Crying Time Again" @ "RT"s "Board of Tears" where they always vote to descend from the Pos....
Maybe I was mistaken..
"Jag"s up 10-7 early in the 2nd....
Is there hope today after all!!!...
It's GAME DAY. Of all our divisional rivals, I HATE the Donkeys the most.
The big questions and keys for me:
(1) Will Campbell "cut it loose" or play cautiously?
(2) If Campbell struggles early on, will Cable be decisive and give him the hook for Boller?
(3) Which offensive unit will exert their will and dominance; the Raiders rushing attack vs. a weak run D or the Broncos prolific passing attack vs. a Raider secondary that has been suspect?
In a frustrating season, beating the Donkeys will put the Raiders in a very good position at 3-4 and 2-0 in the division.
Yes, this is the equivalent of a "must win" game or "playoff" game.
Let's GO Raiders!
If Cable doesn't pick up the pace, and if we go 5-11 again, I think Davis is going to can him. Would that be too impatient?
New game thread is up.
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