Seahawks Gameday Thread
Well, here we are again, in what I consider another must-win game...This season seems to be full of them, as the AFC West title is still within reach. Also, it's yet another opportunity to climb what has become our personal Mt. Everest: the .500 mark. Which is sort of laughable if you think about it, but also quite real and therefore meaningful. If we're truly turning a corner, we'll see it today. GO RAIDERS!
posted by Raider Take at 12:22 PM
53 Comments:
huh? anyone home? damn! there goes the shutout!
Wow! Another beat down. Clearly, this is a better team than we've become accustomed to watching. Monster defense. Hope Nnamdi is ok.
I'll take 33-3 all day long
Happy Halloween, AH HA HA HA HA HA!!!
I guess everyone was afraid to pinch themselves and wake up.
Two games, 1100 yards, tough defense, 92-17. DHB fought out of a hold for a long TD.
All I can say is wow!!!
To top it all off, the Chefs got away with one at home. The old time out at the snap of the ball.
What was it ten sacks!!!
H
Sell that game out
I swear, at the end of the game, seeing the Raider players so freakin happy, I was almost in tears. Call me a wimp, but I have to tell you, something has happened in Raiderland. This IS different, I only ask that it continues. I will get into why it's different later, right now, it's party time.
JONES
On further review I realize we had a couple of lucky bounces. But, they were caused by a pressuring defense and hustling players on offense.
These guys are starting to believe in themselves.
Jano's miss was not his fault, his plant foot slipped.
I will admit when I saw Ed "The Diva" Hochuli I was somewhat worried. But, even he couldn't stop us today.
H
H
Yeah, no kidding! Unbelievable. Definitely not sold on H-bey as a top flight NFL receiver, but if we can salvage something out of the kid, I'd be real happy.
Apparently he's working his tail off, both in route running and catching the ball. Hard to dis him for that.
Another solid game by JCamp.
If Grad is healthy next week it will be tough to pull Campbell. He is playing well.
I'm floored that the Raiders could play so badly against the 49ers, then come back and torch two teams, including a road game in Denver.
Perhaps Denver is not that good, but Seattle came into Oakland with some credentials and the Raiders still torched them.
Very impressive, indeed!
Highlight of the day was DHB with that long run and catch. You could see him grow up today. He has a ways to go, but man you could see the potential today.
Lessee... we follow up a record setting scoring day, by setting a Raider record for the first back to back 500+ yard games in a row.
If only Al had brought in WR help!
LOL!!
On top of that, this was a defensive BEAT DOWN. We kicked the living shit out of a pretty decent team.
I'm sure glad to be a "Black Knight" in not calling this team dead and the season over 4 games ago!
Wa! Wa! Waaaa!...We got's no "WR"s...Neglected!!....Wa! Waaaa! "DHB" was a waste and sucks!!...
"DHB" 5/105yds 21yd ave 1 TD...
Ya!...Our leading receiver today just sucks!!!....
Meanwhile it was Zack who dropped the balls -n- the "Smurphs" accounted for 3 passes -n- 30yds between them....Sure wish we had given them "DHB"s snaps don't you...
For the record...
"I Told You So"...
We turned that damn corner now shut the hell up!!!...
For the record...
It wasn't the "Crew" who disappeared during this Raiders' comeback...It's members of the "Criers Circle" who abandoned this board in a week of celebration...
PantyRaider..."500" -n- Movin On!!!/_
240yds rush -w- 6.1yd ave against their 3 what run "D"...Huh!...
545yds against their what "D"....Huh!...
And "Some" questioned if we turned that corner!!!!....
Play of the game for me.
The reverse to Jacoby Ford. Campbell made the block that sprung Ford. And, it wasn't one of those namby pamby patty cake blocks most quarterbacks make. He leveled the guy.
That's leadership by example.
NYRaider,
I agree with your quarterback status assesment. But, Cable needs to be a man of his word.
The team now has faith in both, and that's a good thing. A damn good thing.
H
I wonder how many of those empty seats are because of the "fans" that abandoned the team and their primo old-stadium season tickets aren't too keen on watching the action from atop of Mt. Davis?
Hmmmmmm....
The proverbial "corner" has been officially turned.
This destruction of the Sea Chickens was every bit as dominating than the Donkey's beatdown. Sweet.
Can you say "back-to-back-to-back?!" Raiders vs. Condiments (ketchup and mustard men) is a HUGE opportunity.
"CJ"...
YES!!!!....
Wow!...
Net 545yds -n- only gave up 162yds total...
240yds rushing -w- 6.1yd ave against 47yds -w- 2.5yd ave...
306yds passing against 115yds given up...
This is total dominance...Absolute total dominance....Encouraging!!!...
The "Zebra"s hit us 11 times for 105yds but we still kept it going...They took a "TD" away on their on-side kick attempt so we lost 4 pts on that exchange...They flagged us 4 times on their only scoring drive but we still held them to only 3 pts...Nice!!....
"D-Mac" -n- "DHB" totaled 135yds each...Reece accounted for 122yds...That's 392yds from just those three players..."RB"/"FB"/"WR"....Sweet!!...
What can this team be with everyone healthy and involved...The "D" will struggle week to week to know who to shut down in this "O" that Hue has put together...This "D" that Marshal has put together...This team that Cable is running on that field...This team -n- coaching staff that Mr Davis has put together...Plenty of credit and plenty of participants to share it...Awesome!!!...
Than there is the players...What a happy bunch they were today...Real Nice!!!...
PantyRaider...Damn This Feels Good...NO!....It Feels Great!!!/_
Can you say "99"...Pair of "9"s...
At the moment we have the #9 "O" -n- #9 "D"....
Game will add in Monday night but we be doing damn well me thinks!!!...
PantyRaider...Talk About One Season Turnarounds...This Is It!!!/_
I love Gradski. But Jcamp is playing so well, I don't see how Cable can switch back to Ski.
Things are finally going good. Why rock the boat ?
Just my 2 cents.
H said: "On further review I realize we had a couple of lucky bounces."
If this continues (and I think it will, but not this lopsided), I think we will hear a lot of that. It's actually a typical thing to hear about a team turning the corner.
They always called the Raiders lucky in the '70s. As their standard response, the Raiders used to quote Branch Rickey. "Luck is the residue of design."
I am fairly worried about the injuries right now. The injuries are proving that the Raiders do, indeed, have depth and also helping to increase the skills of the backups. But we're getting pretty damn thin right now.
Kill the Chefs.
But this is real. Gee, win a couple of games and even Blanda and JONES agree. But it is the real thing. They have put together a hell of a lot o
A couple of things should be mentioned.
1) They started off (most of the first half) similar to they way they started the 49er game. They came out of the locker room, after the half, energized and ready to adjust. Then they exploded in the second half. So this 545 yards of offense came after a bad first half.
2) You can't say enough about Marcel Reece. This is exactly the kind of FB they've been looking for, and the same type they've always used historically. It's the kind of FB they envisioned when they asked Bush if he'd take the job. Reece can catch out of the backfield, he can run the ball, he can play TE in a pinch, and can drift out to the slot.
I couldn't be more pleased that they kept Marcel around.
Blanda,
On my further review, I credit hustle on the players for creating them.
You're only in the right place at the right time if you are carrying out your assignments as coached. No "taking plays off". Bush was not the primary receiver, but he was out there for the check down. Which meant he was ready in case a ball came his way.
Branch hustled over to back up Routt.
There was no dogging it on either side of the ball.
On other items. Huff moved into Nnamdi's spot and acquitted himself reasonably well after the first completion. Reese is making plays in the passing game. He’s a big guy and we tend to forget he was a wide receiver in college at close to the same size. He is adjusting to fullback. Dare I say another position change that might result in a Pro Bowl player for the Raiders?
The Chefs had a narrow escape and should have lost that game. Having said that, they actually outplayed the Buffalo Chips but not by much. Early in the first quarter they went for in on fourth down around the Chips’ 20 and didn’t make it. They were well within field goal range, under 40 yards.
The Chefs ran the ball well, but the Chips are 32 in run defense.
I’m trying to restrain the infernal optimist in me jusssst a bit. As euphoric as the last two weeks have been, getting by the Chefs will only be the beginning of a tough stretch. We come out of the bye week with the Squealers in Pitt, the Fish at home and then the Dolts in SD. The good in that is The Squealers will be coming off a Monday Night road game against Cincinnati and we will be coming out of our bye week. For a change the schedule works a bit in our favor.
The glass is now officially at 80.3% full.
H
You have to give Campbell credit, he played well and managed a mistake-free game. Also, he didn't just make a block to spring the end-around, he laid out for that block. It was a thing of beauty.
Raiders looked like a team on a mission... with real purpose.
They beat a tough Seahawks team.
Minor negative point toward the end of the game; Gallery had a couple false starts. He's got to be smarter than that. He lines up next to the center. How difficult can it be to A) listen for the snap count - at a home game - or B) wait til the ball is snapped?
I don't remember hearing Valdheer's name or number which, playing LT, is a good thing.
You can't say enough about the defense. The entire line; McClain making plays in the middle; and the secondary with blanket coverage all day.
As sad as it is, I never thought I'd be so happy to see .500 again.
Great win!
Ahhh, my head hurts. Anyone notice the Defense? Looks to me like the Raiders have played an NFL scheme the last 2 weeks. ATTACK Defense, that isn't the passive scheme we have seen forever. The talent is there, they just need to be used right and the last 2 weeks they have been used tremendously. That is not Al's Defense, baby. Blitzing from all directions, stunts by the DT's, all the Shithawks had left was to float up fly patterns and their WR corp had no chance. The slumped shoulder's by Hasselbum was PRICELESS, he played SCARED, I LOVE IT.
Big plays on Offense in the 2nd half kicked the steam right out of them. DMac looks All Pro, Reece, the guy plays hard and is getting many op's to show it. DHB, he is still funny to watch, he is very awkward but he made a big play, HIS FIRST. One catch, you could hear the thud as it was drilled into his stomach. The guy doesn't know how to catch but he made some. The O-line is getting it done the last 2 weeks. Satele at C and Gallery at G has settled it down. The players look like they have the ball and chain off their legs, I'm guessing you can understand who that ball and chain is. All I ask is that it continues, if it does, it will be "happy days are here again".
JONES
Grad at QB, well, I have to disagree, he would have put up more points yesterday. Campbell isn't good in the Red zone, he got a lot of help yesterday. Campbell can mange a game and keep it close, but he isn't a game changer. Grad is willing to make things happen and take the chances that can open up the Offense even more.
Dmac takes the pressure off Campbell, the booted pass off of DHB and into Bush, the DHB catch and run, Reece plays, padded Campbell's stats. That 4th down play to Reece was insane, I was wondering why they were going for it, Campbell throws into DBL and Reece pulls it out and SCORES, WOW. A lot of things went right on O that could have went the other way. I'm not sold on Campbell. Best option looks to be a one two punch at QB. We will see Grad before it's over, guaranteed.
JONES
This week's game brings back memories. KC vs Raiders for FIRST PLACE in week 9 = AWESOME. That Defense better not go passive or I will be STEAMING. We see what it takes to WIN, now keep it going, Cassel needs to GO DOWN HARD. I can see this Defense taking out QB's, just like the good ole days.
If Seymour keeps playing like this, that trade will look good. Kelly is a beast this year, he lost 30 lbs and he came to play, ASO, he will be a big blow, but maybe Huff can find his legs out on the corner. They must stay AGGRESSIVE, THAT IS THE KEY.
JONES
Under the category of “Don’t look now but…”:
Janakowski is leading all kickers with 78 points after eight games.
We don’t have a single player in the top ten in sacks, but as a team we are tied for third in the league.
McFadden is averaging 111 yards per game rushing, but the team is averaging 168.
Since week one, we have move up about ten spots in passing yards per game.
In the last two games we have only given up an average of just over 50 yards rushing.
Now for reality:
The Chefs are the third top ten rushing team we will have played. We did not fare well against the other two. Having said that, in the other two it was basically a single big running play for a TD that turned the tide. Both Huff and McClain have improved since those games (the SF loss also had a big running play).
Key 1 – stay away from the big play. Blitz and pressure on early downs and tackle the ball carrier on the way to the quarterback.
Key 2 – Do not abandon the run.
Key 3 – Keep Marcel Reece active in the passing game as a receiver.
Key 4 – Cut down on the false starts.
H
Bama7
Jones, i have to finally disagree with you. Our starting QB just led us to a combined 2 game winning streak of something like 92-17 ?? Why F with any of the chemistry going right now? We are on freakin fire. It's not like Grad ever tore it up or was a consistent game winner, like Manning, that would deserve his spot back after an injury. I saw the position up until now as open and Campbell has claimed it for now.
Next week is a playoff game. We beat KC and we control our destiny the rest of the way in the west. We are at home... no excuses, we've either truly arrived or we haven't. It's all about next Sunday now.
Raiders Haiku #2:
.500 again!
Beat the Chiefs equals first place
Welcome to Black Hole!
I agree with Jones about the QB situation:
"Best option looks to be a one two punch at QB."
Unconventionally, my 1-2 punch is to start Campbell and bring in Gradkowski if we need a spark (or if Campbell pulls another 49ers space-walk).
These guys both have their strengths. Unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately), they are not the same strengths.
Definitely, Jones, kudos to John Marshall for stepping outside the (Al Davis) box and dialing up the pressure. We got to see how effective man-to-man coverage can be when the secondary isn't left on an island for 6-7-8 seconds while the QB finds an open target.
Rob Ryan actually made that shit work against the Saints last week, but it only took him a decade to find one good game. The Raiders have posted back-to-back outstanding performances with essentially the opposite methodology.
Gradkowski fits what the Raiders are doing more than Campbell, which is why Jackson wanted the change to begin with. As said previously, Campbell is an excellent QB who will not make a lot of mistakes. He will, however, leave plays on the field to avoid the mistake. It's perfect for some systems and some coaches.
That said, Cable has commanded Campbell to "let it loose." I think he'll continue to do that as long as he feels it's working, but I don't think he can permanently change his stripes.
The fear of Gradkowski is that he takes a lot of risks. No one wants to see those risks become turnovers to derail what's on the rise. But the Raiders, as a team, are now also making plays. Those risks could also turn into touchdowns.
Looking ahead to Sunday, the Chefs have only played three road games. They lost two of them and barely got a win on the Brownies.
Gradkowski has to be the starter if healthy. Cable has to be a man of his word. Otherwise he starts losing the respect of the team. He said so after the Dolts game and we were all on board, even hoping for a miracle cure, after the Whiner game. If the running game continues to produce I’m comfortable with either one at this point.
I just hope it’s not ligament or cartilage damage for Nnamdi. Depending on severity either one could end his season.
H
Fellas, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. The idea is not for Cable to save face. The idea is to field the players that give you the best opportunity to win games.
Campbell is on a roll and has the offense clicking. Nobody on the Raiders, Gradkowski included, is going to question Cable for sticking with the core of players that just won back-to-back record-setting performances.
That said, Gradkowski should remain on notice to come in on a whim.
It's not saving face, it's being consistent, decisive. Cable has spent two years preaching accountability in word and deed. That applies to coaches also.
It's also telling Campbell there can't be any more Whiner games. It keeps the pressure on him.
The two worse performances of the season belong to Campbell.
Cable has been very decisive about things since taking over. Especially this offseason and this season. It's starting to pay off. That's the boat I'm not ready to rock.
H
This just in:
Rolando "Die Hard" McClain has said he will not grant any media interviews until the Raiders sell out.
Good idea, get the media to hype the games a little more.
H
BAMA...
I didn't say Grad should start next week, especially if he isn't healthy. Campbell is working, leave him in, when and if he begins to falter, then it's Grad time, like I say, a one two punch. I was just explaining that I am not sold on Campbell, a QB willing to get the ball downfield will bring more out of this Offense. Campbell seems reluctant to play that way. He does manage the Offense and keeps turnovers down, it works if the Defense is lights out, at this point, the Defense is lights out.
Campbell stays until it isn't working, Grad comes in and sparks them again, it's the Ace in the pocket so to speak. When there is a 1(a) and 1(b), use it to your advantage, no controversy, that's just the way it will be. Seems both Qb's could be open to that method so it wouldn't be a distraction.
JONES
I know many here could care less about fantasy football, but you all, no doubt, can understand that the Raiders have been a good play on defense these past two weeks.
Sunday: 8 sacks, forced fumble, INT, and held their opponent to 3 pts. Comparable stats the week before, plus they scored on D.
Hell, in my league, if all you had were Raiders players this week, you probably would have cleaned house.
QB - Campbell
RB1 - Bush
RB2 - Reece (ha! you thought McFadden but he didn't score)
WR1 - Heyward-Bey (did I just type that?)
WR2 - well, you might need help here.
K - Seabass
Defense - Da Raidas!
BREAKING NEWS...RANDY MOSS WAIVED BY THE VIKES.
Captain quitter is available.
Anybody think we should bring his lazy ass back ?
I vote NO.
Oh yeah, TE. But Zach didn't get much opportunity... for whatever reason.
00...
NOOOOOOOOOOO, hope he has to retire, time the league rid themselves of clowns like him.
JONES
Yikes! I know one person that doesn't believe in team chemistry, and regretted sending Moss packing in the first place. Also, to get Moss back could perhaps partly negate receiving a do-nothing 4th round pick for him.
However, with Moss possibly being on a third team in as many weeks, you have to wonder how disruptive he would really be, if at all.
Didn't the players, for the most, speak favorably of Moss when he was here?
I'm withholding judgement right now, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least to see Moss wearing a Raiders uniform sometime soon.
NY...
Moss doesn't want to come back to Oakland, he didn't want to come the first time, why would he now? Anyways, the Raiders are happy with what they have now, so I have heard.
JONES
http://www.insidebayarea.com/sports/ci_16493138
NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PL:EASE, NOOOOOOO!!!!
look folks, we have a team thats starting to come together. we don't need him poisoning the young minds of this team.
1st of 2 points to attack:
#1..."QB" controversy...
There doesn't have to be one..."Ski" is lame until further notice...He can be very questionable and still suit up as ready if needed...Let "JC" (No Longer Known As "JustCrap") start against "KC" but don't make that decision until game-time so they aren't sure who to prepare for..."Ski" is improving but just not certain type of crap to shroud the "Mediot"s -n- "KC" in darkness...
As I posted several times before "JC" looks to be best suited for scripted plays early on and "Ski" as that high energy "QB" that comes in and stirs the pot again to keep everyone up...I also posted several times about having the "Two Headed Monster" at "QB" as well as "RB" and how that could confuse "D"s that we face...
"Ski" should prolley be our man out the gate after the bye against "Pitts" where we will need his legs healthy and "Pitts" won't have any recent film to use as preparation...That's a big game and we need any edge we can gain...
Need for edge brings me to the next issue...
#2..."WR"....Why the hell would we say NO to "NoMoss" when we are in definite need...Just how damn much of a distraction do you think one guy could be in that pumped up locker room...I don't give a damn how bad things were under "Shell II" that ain't the now...Hell it was bad for him in "HornsVille" the 1st time which is why he left but was welcomed back anyway...He is only a "BITCH" when ya lose so keep that brat happy and Kick Some Damn "Squeeler" Ass....
He won't help much against "KC" but he could damn sure help us a bunch out of the bye...He may be a "BITCH" but that damn "BITCH" can play/run/separate-n-catch a freakin football for damn sure...
It's hopeful Chaz will be ready...It's hopeful we will be healthy...But how the hell could you underestimate the value of having that other weapon on that field...I guarantee those "D"s don't want to see him back in Raider "Black" but I damn sure do...
PantyRaider...Even If Just The Last 7 Games Of "10"...
How funny is that? PR pimping Randy Moss after constantly ragging on me for even suggesting we should be concerned about our depth at WR.
That's priceless!
Not just that NY, the guy QUIT on the franchise and he quit on Minny and Waste wants him back? Screw Randy and anyone who thinks he is still a good option. The guy is a freakin joke and doesn't belong on the Raiders or any other team for that matter. Waste is still a waste, some things will never change.
JONES
In case anyone hasn't heard, Zach Miller has an "arch" injury and was seen walking on crutches.
The Raiders carry only two TEs, and Myers is recently coming off a concussion.
No worries, Kalif Barnes is now our third TE, and caught a pass Sunday.
But I'm told (no, scolded) we have plenty of depth at WR.
Schilens - out
Murphy - out
N Miller - injured but playing
JLH - MIA (at best)
Ford - rookie
DHB - career day after mysterious illness
Funny thing is, I can't, in good conscience, endorse alligator-armed Randy Moss back to the silver and black. His potential to be a cancer is too risky.
Bringing Moss in might disrupt what might be the hottest team in football right now (another week of the same show and they will be)... which is why I vote to keep Campbell as starting QB, albeit on a short leash.
Bama7
Agree with others, short leash for Campbell but go with him first against KC regardless.
Postgame take is (finally) up.
Grad over JCamp??? Absurd. If Cable really goes that route, he proves his stupidity as a coach to me. You're talking about a proven NFL QB who has thrown for 20 more TD's than INT's, with a career 61% completion percentage, an 82 QB rating. Compare that to an injury-prone, journeyman QB, who has been cut by the likes of Tampa Bay and Cleveland, with a QB rating of 63, a 51% completion percentage with one less TD than total interceptions thrown. What are you guys smoking?
I've never understood why so many Raider fans here project that this guy some kind of skill-set not unveiled yet. J-Camp is the better QB,period. Is he a great QB? No. Does he provide stability to an offense that hasn't had any stability since Rich Gannon left? Without a doubt. These types of decisions shouldn't be made on hope. JCamp is a proven NFL commodity, and if anyone would care to check his career stats, he's consistently shown improvement each season he has played.
I don't mean to offend anyone, but the idea of making Grad out to be someone that he isn't is frustrating. He's a career back-up at best in this league, and the fact is that every season he has been made the starter, he has always suffered significant injuries. No more experiments,please! Put the best players on the field!
Hue Jackson's offense calls for tall, strong-armed, mobile QB's. That's the reason JCamp was brought in fer chrissakes!
I love Moss myself. There's no doubt that he is one of he greatest offensive players to ever play. And yes, the dude can still stretch the field like no one else. But Moss is a sensitive country-boy; and admittedly, he requires a disciplinarian head coach to be on his best behavior. I doubt he has any interest in coming back to Oakland, so it's pretty much a moot point. But with Hue's presence here, it could work IMO.
..."Grad over JCamp??? Absurd. If Cable really goes that route, he proves his stupidity as a coach to me. You're talking about a proven NFL QB who has thrown for 20 more TD's than INT's, with a career 61% completion percentage, an 82 QB rating. Compare that to an injury-prone, journeyman QB, who has been cut by the likes of Tampa Bay and Cleveland, with a QB rating of 63, a 51% completion percentage with one less TD than total interceptions thrown. What are you guys smoking?..."
Come on Man, are you trying to look good after the fact? We all saw Campbell play horribly. We all saw Grad spark the team the way Campbell wasn't. We have already been through the stat thing with Campbell and ask any Redskin fan about it. Campbell is riding a hot Defense, a Very good RB at the moment. He hasn't won the games and he hasn't been dominant. BUT, he should stay in until he begins to falter. 2 Qb system, kind of odd how you come on blogs that are no longer posted on and write some of your comments that you do.
JONES
After the fact Jones? I've followed JCamp throughout his career. I've said from day one that he is the best QB on our roster, and his career statistics bear that out. Why the hell should a few games alter the fact that he is a legit NFL starter, as opposed to a journeyman who has been cut by two of the weaker teams in the NFL. Sorry, but I saw Grad play in Tampa Bay, and he's really not that good. JCamp, while not a great QB, is a consistent QB. Again, check both QB's career stats. There's no competition if you're applying reason and logic.
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