Chiefs Game Thread - AFC West Showdown
Okay, time to hit the reset button and start talking about Sunday's game against the Chiefs, a classic AFC West clash with divisional title implications.
I think that defense is going to be the story of this game. The Chiefs have an explosive running attack, and Asomugha is out, putting added pressure on our secondary. There is therefore the real potential of being menaced by the big run and the long ball. It's going to be a real test, and we're going to have to bring our "A Game" to pass it.
I'd like to think that our offense will post a third straight performance of 500+ yards, but that's probably unrealistic. I think that this is going to be more of a brawl than a shootout. As it should be when the Raiders play the Chiefs in Oakland, in November, with rain in the forecast. This is going to be fun. First place, here we come!
I think that defense is going to be the story of this game. The Chiefs have an explosive running attack, and Asomugha is out, putting added pressure on our secondary. There is therefore the real potential of being menaced by the big run and the long ball. It's going to be a real test, and we're going to have to bring our "A Game" to pass it.
I'd like to think that our offense will post a third straight performance of 500+ yards, but that's probably unrealistic. I think that this is going to be more of a brawl than a shootout. As it should be when the Raiders play the Chiefs in Oakland, in November, with rain in the forecast. This is going to be fun. First place, here we come!
posted by Raider Take at 10:12 AM
150 Comments:
From other thread:
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CJ:
Yes. I do think it is a very natural reaction to disappointing results. Along the same lines, how you or anyone to include Almighty Gary can hold it against a Raider fan for being disappointed in the previous 7 years results is beyond me.
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Thats how you categorize the constant whining, gloom and doom, bitching, pissing, moaning, pounding fists against the floor tantrums?
"Disappointment?"
Thats like being in a hurricane and saying its kinda breezy.
Man Take. My heart says you're right, but my head says to wait.
We have not been able to stop a top-tier run game for years due to over pursuit and gaping run lanes.
So I'm hoping that Marshall has these guys playing agressively and smart.
I'm not sure KC hasn't used a lot of smoke and mirrors to win 5 out of 7. They barely beat Browns and Buffalo - two of the worst teams in the league.
Our secret weapon has to be Marcel Reese, who looks like a real playmaker to me.
Also, our team speed is faster than theirs.
I'm cautionusly optimistic.
I'm already got both DVR's set to record.
Is it Sunday game time yet?
The key is ATTACKING defense. Their defense looks to be one of the better ones in the league. If the Raiders defense can match or out do their defense, Raiders will win. The key to the Raiders is their defense, they must continue to be an attacking defense that forces the opposing offense into mistakes and not letting them get comfortable. Don't take the foot off the throat, keep that loaded pistol pointed at their temple....you get the picture. The personel on defense is made for an attacking D, it MUST be played this way or else it will be a long day.
JONES
Old business 1st...
"CJ"...
When you point a finger of consistency point it at yourself 1st...The "Rubber Walls" thing on this board has been unscrupulous to say the least...And bashin a freakin "WR" who has very limited effects upon his team while excusing very similar conduct or worse from a "HC" who has a tremendous effect on the team is a little absurdly partial don't you think...
"NoMoss" has precisely what amount of effect upon the "ST"s -n- "D" not to mention the other "WR"s -n- "QB"s -n- "TE"s -n- "RB"s -n- "OL" not to mention also the "OC"...Or now do you really believe he was such a "One Man Wrecking Ball" that he singlehandedly took those teams down??...It was a total group effort...
Maybe "NoMoss" is more god than "godGruden"...
Next...Please show me one freakin instance where I did a beat-down on anyone for feeling discouraged...That was a reach way out in left field...No!...Out of the freakin Ball-Park...
Gary pointed out the rest and I concur...
"RT"....
What this "D" does is a refection of the "O" to a very large extent...When the "O" is moving the chains and putting up points our rested "D" can pin their ears back and come at them...Conversely if our "O" is as inept as it was in "SF" our "D" is out of gas and cautious about giving up the big play so thus very conservative...That's a very natural progression...
The last 2 weeks have been fun and great to be a part of but we must understand it was a total team effort...No one unit pulled that off so we will need that same type of performance this week to carry it threw...
I believe we get it...The players are very excited this week and understand the importance of this game...They also know they get the bye afterward so can afford to leave it all on the field and have time to recoup later...They also know how disappointing it will be to enter that bye in a hole instead of on top of the world so to speak...I think they want it and will deliver...
PantyRaider...Not An Easy Win But A Win None The Less!!!!/_
"If the Raiders defense can match or out do their defense, Raiders will win."
Well now that's pretty stupid...How the hell is any "D" going to out perform another "D" when their never on that football field at the same time...It's "D" against "O" or don't you even understand the simplest fundamentals about this "Man's Game"...
"The key to the Raiders is their defense,"
Oh! Ya!...So it was the "D" that put up over 500 yds per game the last 2 weeks...But that's the key and ya heard it 1st right here from the false "TRUTH"....
"The personel on defense is made for an attacking D,"
Well now that's very interesting for sure...
#1...What makes them made for attacking...
#2...Sense it was Al Davis that put those bodies on that side of the ball just how do you explain your constantly ignorant posts claiming this is NOT the Al Davis "D" and HIS "D" does NOT work...
#3...Sense it was Al Davis who hired Marshal as "DC" just how the hell do you explain your constant stupidity claiming Al Davis does NOT let his "DC"s coach...
#4...Than in conclusion you must now be identifying Al Davis as the architect of and the ruler of that attacking "D" we now see on that football field...Is that RIGHT!!!!...
Just another example of stupidity/darkness attempting to appear bright!!!...
Now here comes the movable "Rubber Walls" again...
JONES is DUMB!!!...
Here's a small sampling of Gary Almighty pounding his little fists against the floor in a baby like tantrum:
“Ohh.. and if we see Campbell starting next week... and McClain doesn't stop engaging blockers, etc... I think Cable can stick his "accountability" shit straight up his ass.”
“How can anyone say theres any accountability if you don't jerk a QB that played two entire QUARTERS without passing for a single yard?”
“Although losing that pick is going to suck if we cant get this QB situation straightened out and we end up with like 5 wins again...”
“but you don't just keep drafting rookies without veteran help too... especially without a top notch coaching staff... and even then you are just going to be above average.”
“If we weren't blitzing, someone should be fired (or benched) for leaving him so wide open in the endzone.”
“JFC... if Gannon can notice it... don't we have a defensive guy in the booth to tell them this?”
“I am really ready for a purging of the defensive assistant coaches.”
Irony and hypocrisy rolled into one.
The realistic "Keys to the Game"...
Last 2 weeks:
Scoring:
92pts -n- 17pts given up...
Rushing:
91/567yds 6.2yd ave -w- 6 "TD"s
36/122yds 3.4yd ave -w- 0 "TD"s
"TOP"...
74:52 to 45:18....
Sacks:
12 made -n- 4 given up...
According to "J-Mac"...
The reason Darren McFadden, Michael Bush, Marcel Reece and Darrius Heyward-Bey have had some big moments of late and Jason Campbell has been coolly efficient is because the offensive line made it possible. Oakland’s defensive line, Richard Seymour, Tommy Kelly and Matt Shaughnessy in particular, have provided highlight reel stuff not seen for the last decade, albeit against the Broncos and Seahawks.
In other words "Total Team Effort" as a football team and no longer as a collection of individuals...
PantyRaider...Play Together Win Together!!!!/_
For me the 2 key to the game is simple and self-evident:
Which defense plays better against the run?
Which team win the turnover battle?
My hunch is similar to RTs in that it will be a relatively low scoring game and a very physical game in the trenches.
Must see Vid...Tale of 2 worlds...
http://www.nfl.com/videos/oakland-raiders/09000d5d81bdc84a/Scout-s-take-Raiders-renaissance?module=HP_cp2
This is good stuff -w- some sad memories up front...Really puts it in perspective...
PantyRaider...What A Turn-a-Round Folks!!!/_
"KC"s leading scorer:
"WR" Dwayne Bowe 21/357yds 6 "TD"s...
Top 2 "RB"s combine for 5 "TD"s...
19 "TD"s...
10 Pass...
6 Run...
2 "D"...
1 "ST"s...
"TO" differential +5...
Sacks 14 gained 8 given up...
"TOP" 31:10 ave....
3rd dns 30% made 40% given up...
"D" 3rd dn conversions allowed:
36 by Run...
84 by Pass...
10 by Penalty...
Get into their heads and pick fights to get them to draw the flags...
"CJ"...
I'm not so sure about the low scoring battle this time around...Both teams are now capable of putting points on the board and I think will...
"KC" 23pts/game ave...
Raiders 26.5pts/game ave...
Somethings of note:
We are now producing more yds rushing -n- passing than our opponents -w- a +44 point advantage -w- +2 "TO"s -n- 32:13 ave "TOP"...
"KC" leads in Rushing yds gained but trail in Passing yds given up...Their "D" has an "Achilles Heal" in the pass while their "O" is weak in the passing game...
If we can score rapidly and get them out of their run game while playing catch-up we will gain a huge advantage....But that's a very big "IF"...There not much of a come-back threat...We saw that last week against Buff....
PantyRaider...Definitely The Excitement Is Building!!!/_
Ha !! So it is now clear that Gary has taken all sides of every Raider issue.
Gary has been both positive, and negative.
He has been both right, and wrong.
And Gary, like many of us, was ready to throw in the towel after the 9er loss.
But Gary would have us believe he can see the future.
That the "Greatness of Gary, remains in the future".
Oh well Gary, don't feel too bad that NYR, & CJ exposed you.
Remember, even a broken clock is right twice a day.
What nonsense has this become? I was excited to read RT’s very first statement;
“Okay, time to hit the reset button and start talking about Sunday's game against the Chiefs....”
What do I read instead? More of the same BS from Gary and Pantry Raider.
M.O. for Gary and Pantry Raider is to pick fights at all costs. Consider this. When we show any negativity, they claim to be positive. When we turn positive about the team, they are negative.
Right now they are actually pissed off that folks here are happy about the Raiders recent success.
They both claim to read and post comments on other Raider blog sites, yet they keep coming back here... to pick fights.
Pantry Raider went as far as to recruit a pseudo-Jones. Here’s PR’s response to Jones making a bonafide effort to assess tomorrow’s game:
“Well now that's pretty stupid.” Then, he ended his post with this gem, “JONES is DUMB!!!...”
Gary started the comment section with “Thats how you categorize the constant whining, gloom and doom, bitching, pissing, moaning, pounding fists against the floor tantrums?”
The unrelenting attacks by these two begs the question; why do you two come here? To torture us, or to torture yourselves? Clearly, neither of you appreciate the discussions here.
By all means DON’T do us any favors. But do yourselves a favor and stick with the other blog sites.
It's a shame that these types of exchanges even exist right now. Unfortunately, it takes away from what's more important, i.e., the Raiders winning.
To the game.
Chiefs haven't made a lot of mistakes this year, but that doesn't mean they won't. This is a young team, ready to be exploited.
Raiders will need to stay aggressive on both sides of the ball, and keep the 12th man in the game.
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CJ:
Irony and hypocrisy rolled into one.
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GOod lord! Do you two little boys REALLY want to get in a quote war with me??
I could make a list a mile long of your posts whining and claiming everything is lost.
Yes I was PISSED we shit the SF game down our legs... but does that equate your SYSTEMATIC and consistant whining about the direction of this team and how ALL IS LOST, CJ?
Seriously.... I am anal enough to list every fucking one of your whines since last season... do you want to compare lists?
You pretty much already shot your spooey now.
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The unrelenting attacks by these two begs the question; why do you two come here? To torture us, or to torture yourselves?
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You're right... I fall for it every time. Your posts are pretty much torture to read. You've been whining like a 13 yr old for three years... and I said it 5 months ago... your entire reputation here is predicated on the Raiders sucking ass this year... now that they might actually be a playoff team you want to sweep all that under the rug and whine that people like me and PR are holding you responsible for your previous posts (without extending anything like an olive branch to justify it.)
Sure thing bubs... just pretend you didn't think this team was completely fucked from top to bottom, especially if they keep winning. You only constructed 3000 posts saying otherwise... and bullied anyone that was optimistic.
Now suddenly we are supposed to join hands and sing Kumbaya?
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Clearly, neither of you appreciate the discussions here.
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Oh blow me... you rarely if ever talk actual football here... its all whining about something after the fact.
Go back and look at the posts I made about the KC matchup and compare it to ANYTHING you wrote about the game. There is none.
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And Gary, like many of us, was ready to throw in the towel after the 9er loss.
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Jesus... how many people here are jacking to my posts?
I never in my life was ready to "throw in the towel" after the SF game... especially with McFadden coming back.
You are entitled to your own opinions about me, but are not entitled to your own facts about me.
Cite anything that made it sound like I was throwing in the towel or STFU asshole.
I have no idea why the Raiders have recently and finally delivered two consecutive "Raider Football" games to the Nation. Obviously, neither does anyone here or they would have predicted such an occurrence. Still the corner has been turned or so it seems and we might now want to turn our collective attention to how good this Raider team can be this year.
Just a thought.
“Okay, time to hit the reset button and start talking about Sunday's game against the Chiefs....”
What do I read instead? More of the same BS from Gary and Pantry Raider..
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Hay! Pissing Bitch....Just what did you have positive to post...You didn't post a damn thing positive on the last thread that I could see...Not once!!...Your whole damn world revolves around pissing -n- moaning about nothing...
Look up....I have posts relating to the Raiders and this game but started it off with...
Old business 1st...
Addressed the issues "CJ" left for me on the last thread and moved on...It's you who are wanting to extend some stupid damn fight from another time when you don't have enough sense to tie your damn shoes prior to steppin in the freakin ring...Than shadow boxing yourself in the head was real kool stuff there boy...
You are one dumb bastard to say the least!!!...
NYRAIDER is STUPID!!
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CJ:
My hunch is similar to RTs in that it will be a relatively low scoring game and a very physical game in the trenches.
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Ok CJ... I do enjoy your football posts.
I envision a shootout, or a Raider blow out. I simply don't see a SF-like battle... not with McFadden. He's the Raider MVP IMO... oh, and anyone else notice how much improved the o-line is with Gallery back?
If the Raider defense dominates the LOS like they have the last two weeks... I think KC is dead in the water unless their STs go crazy.
The D-line looked more dominant last week than anytime in the last 2 decades, IMO.
Was it a lark, or was Seattle's o-line that bad?
My god people. Get with the program. We've got a division run on the line on Sunday.
If it does rain, I think advantage home team. Especially with the size on our OL. It should slow down speed rushers a step or two giving them a chance to maul the Chefs DL a little and wear them down.
One place we will miss Nnamdi is in run support. He is a solid tackler and has made some very good plays shedding blocks by the receivers and forcing the runner back inside.
Reece will take the place of Zach Miller in the passing game. Myers is a decent TE but he doesn't stretch the field like Zach can.
I think Jackson will be more West Coasty in the passing game to start.
Reece also has shown very good ability in the running game which will keep their front seven more honest when Campbell fakes the ball to him. Most fullbacks you can ignore.
Just a few things I'm looking for.
H
Last I saw though, Zach was listed as doubtful. It wouldn't surprise me if he did play eight or ten plays.
H
"H"...
As usual I agree 100%...
In a time of extreme joy this board has regressed into the "Pit"...My bad for letting myself get drug into it because I publicly pimped claiming "NoMoss" -n- "Roids"...What a mistake that was to voice my opinion on the sad ass "Board of Depression"...
After the game I'm taking the bye off with the players...I'm damned if I'm going to let a bunch of punk ass criers rob me of my Raider Joy being back in contention while I'm here to witness it...
PantyRaider...This Bye Is Most Welcomed!!!/_
"RT" -n- "CJ"..
During the bye week may be a good time to re-educate yourselves in the "Chronicles of History"....
http://articles.sfgate.com/2001/dec/03
-to-
http://articles.sfgate.com/2002/feb/28
and every day in between...3 months of historical "Sports" pages from the "SFGate"....
Than From-
http://articles.sfgate.com/2002/dec/28
-to-
http://articles.sfgate.com/2002/dec/28
Leading up to our "SB" loss....
You will see things like this:
Yes, Brown acknowledged, last season ended with significant (albeit unnamed) players who "just could not function with Gruden, no matter what was tried, no matter what was said to the players or what was said to the coach. . . . We had guys going into the game (saying), 'I'm gonna kill this guy.' "
And perhaps come to the understanding that your "GoldenBoy" "godGruden" is not all you imagined him to be...He had extreme +++'s not doubt but also very extreme ----'s too and took a squat on our shield without the slightest signs of remorse...
Did not say GoodBy...ThankYou...FuckYou or anything to the players/fans or franchise...He just smiled and walked away holding that brand new bag of $$$$'s and all that new POWER....Than later when questioned he wouldn't even give us the respect to be called Raiders...Raider Fans...Raider Players...Raider Organization...Nothing!!!....
We were "Their Team" or "My Former Employer"...That's all the hell we got as recognition out of him...
PantyRaider...Once A Raider Always A Raider BUT...Sapp/Hall/"JePurple"/Porter/Gruden....I Severally Question The Validity!!!/_
Oh!..By the way...
"RT"-n-"CJ"...
That was NOT an attempt to slam anything down your throats as it may have come across as...It was just giving you the URLs to go to to relive the last years of our past glory and see the reality of the situations that developed...Like in anything where there are more than one player involved things can get convoluted very easily...
I lived it than and have relived it again...It gives a more interesting perspective to go back some seasons later and relive all the forgotten moments...Some joyful and some very painful too...
PantyRaider....Enjoy...I Did!!!/_
"Cite anything that made it sound like I was throwing in the towel or STFU asshole."
Well I would certainly give pause to someone who in so many words ...
gave up on the QB, HC, defensive unit, defensive coaching staff, and rookies to include McClain.
Gary - I know it is a hard concept for you to grasp but let me say the following:
Previous to the last 4 games (a span of 7.25 years) the Raiders have been a major disappointment. The views expressed during this 7.25 year time-frame are naturally going to be negative opinions. It is a results oriented business and the results were horrible.
Over the past 4 weeks the Raiders have made considerable strides which is what all of us having been hoping and waiting to happen.
Yo H..
Your call out to the fans....it's sold out. I didn't think it would sell out. Didn't take long for the fans to show they are ready to support the team when they show the fans they mean business. Raider fans aren't dumb, well, at least most of them. They see something has happened, if it continues, there will be no worries of sellouts. We are all just waiting for it to happen, the last 2 games show this team is ready to explode. The sellout shows the fans know it. Just hope they don't lay an egg, a win will set this team towards a playoff appearance.
JONES
NY....
Thanks for your words, Waste has shown his colors, he is an individual who has problems, I understand this, so I forgive him. He really isn't worth trying to reason with, as you know, you can't reason with ......! Gary is cut from the same cloth, they are on here for their own ego, they don't really care about football or the Raiders. They just use the Raiders as a vehicle to promote their ego's. I understand this, so I forgive them ;-}
JONES
A rainy day, muddy field, 2 running teams, and yards earned the old fashioned way.
My prediction:
Raiders 20
Chefs 13
P.S. If the Raiders rack up 500+ yards and 35+ points in a blowout victory, I will GLADLY be wrong about a low scoring contest!
The Ketchup and Mustard Men must go down and go down HARD.
"My bad for letting myself get drug into it because I publicly pimped claiming "NoMoss" -n- "Roids"...What a mistake that was to voice my opinion on the sad ass "Board of Depression"..."
Here is a good example of the insanity. This guy copies my name and uses it to take immature swipes at myself over and over. Now he is claiming that he got drug into it. Come on, who is he fooling? He instigated it and went over the cliff with it and then he cries foul, that he was drug into it.
He acts like a spoiled brat who goes berzerk when his quest for forum glory is shot down. The guy is all about 'ME', just like the guys he is always 'pimping'. He is a cancer to this forum, so is his sidekick. A very poor quality human being, you can't describe it any other way.
JONES
Jonesy
The extension the league gave worked out. I read where a local media outlet partnered with the team on a two for one promotion on the remaining tickets. They must be the ones carrying the game. They want that local advertising revenue.
As Blitz Chick says, “Loud and Proud”. That’s what the crowd needs to be.
Now I’m going to call out “Die Hard” McClain. He was calling for the fans to show up also. Now, the ball is in his, and the team’s, court. We are 3-1 at home (long time waiting for that one), time to make that 4-1 for the fans, not for themselves, not for Mr. Davis, not for Cable this time, but for the fans.
During the game last week Reece jumped into the stands after his touchdown. The announcers called it the “Raider version of the Lambeau Leap”. I would like to start a campaign to label it the Black Hole Bounce. Identify it with the most ardent local supporters in the stands.
Now is the time for the team to stand up and say to the rest of the NFL, “The last two weeks is now the norm, and not a fluke”. The difference in the last two games is they were not close. Previous seasons our wins were pretty close. The Raiders dominated the entire game. Time of possession for the Geldings was 38:39 to 21:21 and for the Sea Chickens was 36:04 to 23:56. Twelve and eighteen minute gaps in TOP are very rare in the NFL.
H
Teams play off tendencies. Otherwise, why would they review film?
Avoiding tendencies is how we dismantled the last two opponents. This is critical today as well.
My 2-cents is that I’d like to see more pitch-outs to McFadden. IMO, he’s not a between the tackles RB. He’s much better in open space. Most importantly, go with what works. Don't stick with a plan that is failing, like we did against the 49ers.
Wet weather can make for sloppy conditions inside and may favor the passing game, i.e., unless it’s a hard rain. A lot of players claim they can grip the ball better when it's a little wet. Makes sense if you think about how common it is for a QB to lick his fingers before a play. Plus, it’s more difficult to defend patterns when slippery... advantage WR.
No doubt, this is the most important game in over seven years. It’s the playoffs!
It’s Game Day!
GO RAIDERS!
J-Mac points out that the media face much the same finger pointing that's going on here.
J-Mac: "Here’s the thing so many people fail to understand about why the Raiders have received so much negative coverage over the past seven years."
"They deserved it."
calico - add to that cold and windy here in the bay area.
guys, i did my part in helping to make this a sellout! i and my brother in-law will be in section 315 row 15.
let's go raiders and let's go home tonight 5-4!
Official "House 0f Depression" Tail-Gate for crying false realities -n- conduct unbecoming a Raider...
There is allot more on the line this week than just the "W-L" record in the division -n- keeping the momentum going...It's all about the "False Cries" and those huge platters of "Crow" that each -n- everyone of you crying bitches now need to devour...And I don't care how distasteful it is in your mouths or how sickened you become by it you shall eat and you shall eat it all...
All week during a time of celebration you have come out in attacking mode going at the throats of those who have said...
"Told You So"...Well here it is upon you -n- you haven't a leg to stand on talking such total shit against us...The Faithful...
Down to it:
#1...Todd Haley -n- Scot Poili....
Your claims were that we did not conduct a reasonable/legitimate search for a "HC" and we were in violation of corporate standards by not having a suitable "GM" in place...But now that "KC" went and out did us with these two they were going to improve and dominate over us...They would win while we remain at the bottom of the NFL...
Well now here it is on the line...It's all on the line for real and a huge "Told You So" is waiting to be posted when we take this game...And our Division the AFCW!!!...
#2...Josh McDaniels and the same exact issues as you posted he would take them to the top of the division while we remain "Bottom Feeders"...
Well now just look around at who has become the "Bottom Feeders" despite you false pimping...
#3...HC Tom Cable whom I pimped saying we need continuity while you bashed him with your usual "We failed to make a bona fide search" and you posted that crap the past 2 seasons in a row calling for his head...
Well now just look where he has his team perched contrary to your false demand...
#4..."MGP Mr Al Davis whom you scorned posting he was too old and incapable of running a multimillion $$$$ corp in his "80"s and called for NFL -n- fan intervention to have him removed...You posted he was archaic and incapable of change living out some senile fantasy removed from the modern times of the NFL and his ways will no longer work in the league...
Well look around...His ways appear to be working just fine despite you false denials...
#5...You continually posted that us fans who were loyal and faithful threw all those bad times were delusional and blind and that there were no clear plans in place to take us back to a winning organization...
Well now...Are we 4-n-4 and climbing that mountain or not despite you false accusations...
#6...All the draft picks that have now shown signs of being good picks and all the "FA" who are doing the same while you bashed each -n- everyone posting Al Davis was stupid going after speed instead of football "IQ"...
Well now just look around and this team was built on Al Davis moves that are paying huge dividends on that football field despite your false claims...
So there you have your meal for this bye...6 huge platters of "CROW" nicely prepared by the faithful despite you false claims of "Doom-n-Gloom"...
PantyRaider...Take'n The Bye After The Game!!!/_
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CJ:
Over the past 4 weeks the Raiders have made considerable strides which is what all of us having been hoping and waiting to happen.
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See thats the thing. You must think the team is playing better because of a magic wand or something. Many of us have been pointing out the systematic changes that have been happening since the day Cable took over.. and people like OO, NYR, Jones, and occasionally YOU responded by treating us like the village idiots.
THATS where I am taking exception.
But if you feel better by pretending none of that happened, and/or all the changes suddenly happened in the last month... knock yourself out!
No Gary. I feel better because my team is winning. That is what is has been about and will ALWAYS be about ... winning. Everything else is white noise.
Don't make the mistake of acting like you are the only one who pointed out the positives of a productive and sensible offseason that included good acquisitions and an excellent draft.
First off, RT’s forum isn’t the only place that I share my opinions. I’ve been blogging for almost 5 years and my opinions are well documented.
This is what I wrote on April 25, 2010: http://tinyurl.com/2fz2oea
When we got off to a 1-3 start and laid an egg in week 6, it was looking like the same old, same old.
Gary...
Amen Bro...
Just more denial Baby!!...
PantyRaider...Hide But You Can Not Escape Your "Doom-n-Gloom"!!!/_
I'm the TRUTH...God speaks to me and NOT YOU''''I know it ALL!! and you know NOTHING!!.
My EGO IS HUGE!!..No one is BIGGER THAN ME!!
JONES
Those fantasy voices in your head are imaginary non-visionary examples of an inferior unbalanced psychopathology induced by mentally disturbing brain trauma from being dropped on your noggin as an infantile expression of why ma-ma should have had an abortion and saved all mankind from the travesty of your perpetual prognostications of grandeur in the sight of your childishly immature rants of "I AM JONES" when in fact you are not.
I am.
TrulyJones
Pantry Raider said: “All week during a time of celebration you have come out in attacking mode going at the throats of those who have said... "Told You So"...Well here it is upon you -n- you haven't a leg to stand on talking such total shit against us...The Faithful...”
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The hypocrisy here is overwhelming. Pantry Raider is dying to get exposed as a fraud and a hypocrite. Ok. Fine.
Please tell me if the following quotes from a couple weeks ago sounds like someone who is enamored by management and coaching, and understood the Raiders were just going through some growing pains while their master plan took effect.
Actual quotes:
"Tuna" swimming out of Miami...”
“Please-Please swim to "OakTown"...
Does that sound like an individual that is happy with the MGP?
“PantyRaider...Coaches -n- "QB" At Fault..."OL" Too!!!!/_”
“I have to agree on the young player issues and coached deficiencies...Look how long it has taken "D-Mac" to develop...Good gad he had that talent coming out of college but we took 3 seasons to get him into it...Just sickens me.”
“I was 1st to post the "Tuna Swimming Out Of Miami" rumor with excitement and I'm glad it's true...”
“PantyRaider...Creativity/Gameplans/Schemes Should All Get A Make Over Too!!!/_”
What? Sounds like someone is clamoring for a complete make over.
“That big "Tuna" stirs the waters and ignites everyone...”
“PantyRaider...Al -n-"Tuna" Are On The Phone Now Getting It Done!!!/_”
These aren’t game takes. They are observations of flawed management and flawed coaching.
Once again, Gary and Pantry Raider are complete frauds. They don’t want to talk football. They just want to rub their hypocrisy in our face, so nobody here can enjoy football.
Now a word from pseudo Jones, who Pantry Raider brought here to poison this site.
Instead of talking football, his sole mission is to attack Jones.
OK here is my mail box. If anyone wants to post something under the name 'JONES" you can send it to me and I will post it here as I do for Panty Raider.
truthfullyjones@yahoo.com
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CJ:
Don't make the mistake of acting like you are the only one who pointed out the positives of a productive and sensible offseason that included good acquisitions and an excellent draft.
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I never said I was... and I also said that you only OCCASIONALLY joined 00, NYR, and Jones.
I actually think you are capable of some very fine football analysis.. guess maybe its unfair to lump you entirely with the IAAFers mantra that NOTHING HAS CHANGED and never will change until Al dies or he hires a GM.
I guess when you read the same thing every day it gets hard to remember who wrote what...
NY Bitch...
You are as stupid as they come aren't you...
#1...Where the hell did I post that the "Tuna" should become the new "GM"...It's NOT freakin there...He is currently an NFL Adviser/Consultant and would be very welcome is some similar capacity with the Raiders...
#2...YES!!...It took far too long for many of our young players to develop prior to bringing in Hue Jackson as "OC" and that's indisputable...So just how the damn hell is that...
They don’t want to talk football
It's you bitch who does not talk the game of football as you post your continued childish assaults attempts on the "Crew"....
As I told your damn dumb ass before...
I'm NOT your damn boy-friend...
I'm NOT going to supply you with a shoulder to cry on...
You can take your damn "Crocodile Tears" and shove them up your ass where your head is....
I'm NOT going to join you in the "Dumper of the CessPool of Your Life" -n- I don't give a damn about your "Lonely Depression Syndrome"....
To put it quite simple: Go To Hell!!!
Beam Him Down Potty:
FLUSH!!!
I don't think there is anyone on this board who pointed to this game today and said, "This game will have an impact on the AFC West, and NFL."
The key defensively is to force Cassell to beat us with a passing game. We cannot give up the big play on the ground. We cannot give up a 40+ yard run. The defense needs to play their assignments, plug the running gap, and press the Wideouts.
The key offensively is balance the run and passing game. Keep the Chiefs off-balance as to what is coming next. Establish the run, and keep grinding away. Play both sides of the ball with the Raider mentality of "We take what we want, when we want!"
Both teams are similar right now. We are playing a team that is are equal in that they need to establish the run for their offense to do anything. We both are considered by the media as "over-achievers" instead of respecting the talent that both teams have; because to be frank, both teams haven't lived up to their talent. This game means the same to both teams, in that it is a game of respectability, and a game that is going to define who they are as a team in this league; a team needing to be feared.
I'm nervous about this game, but confident. We came out flat against the Seahags, but won. We need to come out strong like we did against the Doncos, and punch them in the face from the get go. I predict the Raiders do just that, and win 31-17!
RaiderNate75...
I don't think there is anyone on this board who pointed to this game today and said, "This game will have an impact on the AFC West, and NFL."
No Doubt...I was only hoping that that game at the end of the season against the "Squaws" would have relevance...That would mean we were still in the "PO" picture...To be in it so deeply this early is a very pleasant surprise for all...
Now at my favorite bar in Morro Bay with a Murphy's in hand hoping the Texans pull it out down by 6pts and waiting for my Raiders to take the field....
PantyRaider.....Go Raiders!!!...
I expect a break-out performance from McClain today playing against a run oriented team where he can make a HUGE impact. On top of that, the game is on national t.v. and in front of a sell out crowd.
"Zebra"s SUCK!!!...
That "TD" was totally a group of bad freakin calls by the "Stripes"...
Bull-Shit!!!...
That's my one fear in this game...The "Zebra"s giving a close game to them...That's why we have to push it beyond all doubt to win....
PantyRaider...Totally Sucks!!!/_
That whole damn mess was set up by our stupid fake punt attempt that gave them the 1st dn at mid-field...
Now they get another chance after the "D-Mac" fumble...
That gives them a 10 pt lead...
Way to start failing now freakin get it together and take this damn game away...
PantyRaider....Concentration -n- Effort Needed!!!/_
Tom Cable is one of the worst game-preparation coaches I've ever had the displeasure of observing. And this guy's expertise is the offensive line? Pathetic.
Time for "Ski"..."JC" has fallen into "JustCrap" again...
4/10 for 18yds passing + INT "SUCK"s
Half-Time Stats..."KC"-vs- Raiders
First Downs 11...........2
Total Yards 169..........49
Passing Yards 12...........9
Rushing Yards 43...........40
Penalties (Yds) 6(55)........8(75)
Turnovers 1............2
Punts (AVG) 4(35)........4(42)
Time of Pos. 17:52........11:45
Rushing
D. McFadden 8/28yds
M. Bush 2/10yds
Receiving
D. McFadden 2/10yds
M. Reece 2/8yds
We can stop their run game but can't make a freakin 1st dn and take this game over...We definitely miss Nnamdi in there...
Time to make the change at "QB" and bring some excitement back to this "O" and move the chains/score some points/take this game over before our "D" tires and falls flat because the "O" fails to respond...
Let's not have another "SF" game here...We're well on our way but that needs to stop and get turned around NOW!!!...
PantyRaider...Come'on Raiders Play Ball!!!/_
We are very fortunate to be down only 10-0 at half. For the Raiders to climb back into this game and win, all the team needs to do is play solid football.
Yes, PR, this would be the perfect opportunity to see what Ski can do to create a spark and get us out of 1st gear on offense.
Let's GOOOOOOOOOOOOO Raiders!!!!
onandonandon...
Not sure how much you put on preparation and how much is on execution...The "D" is playing but "JC" can not make plays + the "Zebra"s did their damage on their "TD" drive...
YES! 5 seconds after my post, Jacoby takes it to the HOUSE! TD Raiders.
Dammit!!!...
"ST"s -n- "D" give us a chance to take this game over and we bring "JustCrap" back in fail to make a dn and miss a "FG"...
Make the change...Bring in "Ski"...
Held to a "FG" but the fumble was miss-called and should have been our ball...Why no red-flag was thrown...Are we out of challenges...
Our 1st one was good but they denied the 2nd which was a "BS" call on the "TD"...
13-7...Come'on!!!...
Could I have been wrong!!!..
No change at "QB" bur we're up by 1 Pt anyway off the "RT" "TD" -n- "D-Mac" running....
Nice!!!
14-13...
17-13...
Should have been better...Why didn't "JustCrap" run when he had the chance to get close...NO HEART!!!...
"Zebra"s are now in control....
Down 17-20 can we take this game over???...
I fear the "Zebra"s will now take away our last opportunity...
Nice. Now i just have to hope that Cable isn't actually stupid enough to put Ski back in the line-up.
Panty, you have to stop beating up on the best QB we've had in our line-up since Gannon. We don't have a Pro- Bowl level QB on this roster. Take the best of what you have and live with it. 3 wins is nothing to scoff at, especially given the poor protection and dropped balls through half the game.
onandonandon...
Your prolley right...I'm just so "Gun-Shy" after these last 7 seasons I'm pulling the trigger too soon...
Props to Cable for being steadfast and NOT melting down like I would...Thank god I'm not the "HC"...
Just a stupid crazy fan who is totally beside himself with amazement and satisfaction...
Ugly game from the "O" viewpoint but a great game from the "D" side -n- "ST" play...Well they did miss a "FG" but I will forgive them...
PantyRaider...5-n-4 Is So Awesome!!!/_
Tremendous win!
The refs did everything they could to prevent the win, but Jacoby Ford was too much for the refs to handle. Game ball, Ford.
Apparently, Cable has a short memory. He faked a FG against the Chiefs that cost the game. Today he fakes a punt at mid-field... and fails again. Perhaps that's Jackson's call, but it's a bad one, nonetheless.
Three in a row. 3-0 in the division. Bye week to get healthy. Very nice!
Great win despite the insane Zebras. Let's have a survey for the worst call of the game. 1)The P.I. on C.Johnson for trying to catch a ball
2)The unsportsman like conduct after J. Ford ran back a 94 yd kickoff and somebody jumped up to pat him on the back.
3)The fumble call on N. Miller while he was on his back and after about 10mins the stripes decided for no apparent reason to give KC the ball.
RaiderMike
Thank goodness we have at least one young WR that can play.
Zebras were horrendous (again). The upheld non-TD catch also cost the Raiders the non-fumble on Miller's punt return. 11 point swing on those two.
I now officially take the bye off until the Pitts game...
Enjoy eating your "Crow" and every damn bite of that dead buzzard...
I will post a finale "Fiesta" on the after the game thread which is basically your meal for the bye and a huge...
"Told You So"....
Than take my well earned/deserved break with the players and not return until the players re-take the field...
PantyRaider...One Happy Mother Raider Fan For Sure!!!!/_
Despite the "Zebra"s we took it the way we needed to take it...Took what we want just as "CJ" demanded....
NICE!!!!....
Oops my bad. Let us not forget the "horsecollar" call on Wimbley for grabbing a guys jersey between the numbers. Add that one to the mix too. I'm sure I'll think of more.
RaiderMike
That was a genuine Raider win.
15 penalties, many of them completely bogus (by my count at least 10 blown calls), but the Raiders just kept coming. They never backed down, or shut it down.
At least two pass interference calls were absolutely ridiculous. A touchdown wasn't a touchdown, and two fumbles weren't fumbles. They made the Raiders use both of their reviews, winning both and receiving a bonus challenge. This was positively the worst officiating I have EVER witnessed in the NFL. Every official on the field should hang his head in shame.
But the Raiders won, because that's what the RAIDERS do. The Raiders are back.
Thank you Al Davis, and thank you Tom Cable.
Blanda, don't forget about the Chiefs' "4th and goal WHOOPS sorry, us officials meant to say 1st and goal!" incident.
H said, "Now is the time for the team to stand up and say to the rest of the NFL, “The last two weeks is now the norm, and not a fluke”. The difference in the last two games is they were not close. Previous seasons our wins were pretty close."
Over the last three... We have blown out a division rival in the first quarter, we have worn down a cross conference division leader to tear them apart in the fourth quarter, and now we have hung on to outlast our division leader in OT.
We have won three important games in very different ways. The Raiders ARE back. I hope CBS takes note, as their crew laughed at the Raiders in pregame, compared Tom Cable to Curly Howard (3 Stooges) and assured us that KC would win the game.
Suck on this one CBS.
Ford was okay enough. His route running was decent at times, but he dropped as many balls as he caught. I have to give him credit for not giving up though. But he needs to play better than that. This game shouldn't have been as close as it was.
Panty, you've made several excellent observations over time here that I agree with. I just think that a lot of fans are reflecting their frustrations from JRuss onto JCamp, probably because they have similar styles Truth is, JCamp is not a very charismatic QB, and he's prone to making bad decisions from time to time (he's a bit of a space cadet); but the guy is consistent more times than not. He may frustrate us; but, he's near the top of NFL Qb's in the mid-tier range, and he has shown improvement each and every season. Until we get a Pro Bowl level QB, I have JCamp's back. I'm not going to place the burden on his shoulders entirely, especially with the grit he's shown me coming out of a very tough adjustment period. The dude is playing the toughest position in the NFL with a very inconsistent cast of characters around him. I think he's had a huge influence on settling our guys down and getting them to focus more precisely on running their routes and playing within the system.
Gee, I wonder who ever guessed that fans would show up again if the Raiders started winning. I was assured, at one point, that fans would never show up again until Al was "fired."
Blanda, if you want to stir up trouble, at least provide a quote to back up your assertions. I'm guessing you can't. Prove me wrong.
Onandon-
I have to disagree with your assessment of Ford. He was more than ok. He had at least three highlight reel plays, two tough deep balls (one was essentially the game winner), plus a kick return for a TD.
And he found separation (including a come-backer) for critical first downs late in the game.
That's a bit more than ok. If we're counting drops, he didn't have six, and he definitely wasn't alone... except in that he was the only rookie.
I think he ended up with six catches for 148 yards and a return TD. That's probably the best stat line of any Raider WR for a couple seasons, or more (without checking of course).
NYRaider, maybe I overstated the amount of dropped balls, but I counted three easy catches that he dropped in the first half, and one of them was a sure-fire TD pass and probably JCamp's best pass of the game. Did you watch the first half. I'm all for praising the kid for his fight, but he hasn't been consistent in catching the ball. Great game for the kid, but he could have done better, and we're going to need our received to hold onto the ball going forward if we are to be a playoff contender.
Calico,
Last winter I said I wouldn't criticize the refs until this season. Well, times up. That was one of the worse officiated games I've seen in years.
Not just the bad call on Johnson for interference (Soloman Wilcox couldn't find the foul), or the ridiculous "horse collar" call, but Wilcox also pointed out that on the near interception broken up by Brandon Myers that Myers was being held, yet no call.
Now, can a player be both offensive player of the week AND special teams player of the week.
Six catches for 146 and a kickoff for a TD.
Now, that the whining is over. Our rush defense may now be for real. We held the top rushing team in the league to 104. They had 98 in regulation. We had 112 all in regulation.
Now, let's get everybody healthy and go kick the Squealers butt.
H
Onanon,
"Great game for the kid, but he could have done better"
In order to be better than great, you have to basically have to be perfect.
He made tough catches. Catches in traffic. Took one away from a DB to set up the tying FG and laid out for the one that set up the winner.
H
onandonandon....
We have a very long history on this board which is NOT good/pleasant/decent/respectful/admirable or sportsman like..."BR" made reference to that not to anyone new here...
There are certain individuals who have constantly belittled the Raiders to the point that several of us question their hearts...Are they even Raider fans at all or just "HateTripper"s in Raider cloth so to speak...Pretentious Bastards....They spent more of their time trying to find fault with Mr Davis and his organization and the coaches than posting about anything relating to the game of football...
That is also what Gary and myself and at times "H" have alluded to...That's what my "Eat Crow" Tail-Gate post was all about and they damn sure know who they are as they try to make everything personal in their childish assaults and than point fingers at any attempt to defend ourselves in light of their stupidity and faithlessness....
If you were to go back over the last few months -n- years on this board you would get a very clear picture of what I speak...But that is a waste of precious time and a loss of Raider joy in the process which is why I'm taking a break with the players/team....
PantyRaider...Sick Of The Relentless Stupidity Here!!!/_
Ford dropped a sure-fire touch-down pass in the first half on the best pass of the game, period. Did he make up for it? Yes. Has he proved to me that he can be a consistently reliable receiver for us? Absolutely not. Nuff said on that. I gave the kid props for fighting through it and having a good game.
That was prolly the worst officiated game I have witnessed in 40 years... they couldn't keep track of downs... threw flags on perfect coverage, and threw flags on players that didn't touch anyone (KC got flagged for a critical phantom call at the end.)
That said... how many times in the last 7 years would the Raiders have lost this type of game? I'd say all of them... the corner has officially been TURNED.
All praise AL!
Oh wait... some IAAFers just had coronaries!
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Yes. Has he proved to me that he can be a consistently reliable receiver for us? Absolutely not
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Damn rookies.
lol
Onandon - fair enough. But remember, Ford mostly has been on the sideline this year. He's not the guy taking all his snaps with the first team offense in practices. He was pressed into action without the benefit of being a focal player.
This just in, Ford is the first rookie since 1979 to have over 100 yards rec and return a kick for a TD.
Pantry Raider - if you check the posts, you are the only crier here. For some sick reason, you can't be happy until the rest of us (or at least the one's you prefer to label) are miserable. As long as the Raiders keep playing to win, it ain't gonna happen.
Enjoy your vacation.
All praise Al!
All praise Al!
All praise Al!
Gosh those speedy receivers are such horrible picks.
lol...
this officiating crew is the absolute worst! they cost us 14 points with their bumbling calls!
it was a tale of two very different halves. jason campbell must NOT be the starter after the bye.
hell of a 2nd half and OT. did jacoby ford step up or what?
good win. we are for real!
has anyone noticed how very often campbell underthrows his receivers on long passes? the receivers always end up waiting on his passes. we've gotten lucky on a couple where PI's were called but he puts too much arc in his pass.
Onandonandon -
I rarely take issue with any of your posts because you are typically spot on but you couldn't be MORE wrong about this one,
"Ford was okay enough. His route running was decent at times, but he dropped as many balls as he caught. I have to give him credit for not giving up though. But he needs to play better than that. This game shouldn't have been as close as it was.
Were you watching the game? Seriously. Ford had the following 4 plays that were the BIGGEST contribution to our win:
#1 - 94 yard kick off return TD that opened up the 2nd half and breathed life into the team and swung the momentum. (7-10)
#2 - 37 yard reception at the beginning of of 4th Q that led to a FG (17-13)
#3 - 29 yard reception on 1st and 20 with :24 to go in the game where he literally stole the ball from the DB. This led to our tying FG (20-20)
#4 - 47 yard reception on the Raiders 1st play in OT that led to the game winning FG. (23-20)
"he needs to play better than that"?
A rookie who produces 6 receptions, 148 yards, 24.7 avg., 94 yard kickoff return TD, and makes HUGE, PIVOTAL plays needs to play better?
Sorry but you are way off the mark.
I think the NFL limiting challenges to two per game needs to be addressed, especially with incompetent refs such as today... I think if you win a challenge you should be entitled to three challenges instead of two. The Miller fumble would have been overturned under review, but the Raiders were out of challenges because the refs had their head up their asses.
Hey, I agree! Ford was a significant part of the win. No doubt about it. His stats are are big-time. The kid has to be happy.
All I'm saying though is that he fought off a few boneheaded plays and dropped the best pass of the game, which would've made this an easier game for us. Sorry. I'm not ready to buy into the idea that we have anything but a very inconsistent group of receivers. I'm all for being proved wrong of course. But it's going to take more than one game to sell me on Ford as a go-to receiver; not that we have one anyway, so he's as good as any.
Yeah, I'm probably being a bit too critical; but then I think that's the case with those who don't count JCamp's contribution as a key component of the team's offensive resurgence. Anyway, I'll concede that I'm being too picky, and we move onto the next game and hope that this kid continues to develop. We certainly need at least one of our receivers to start standing out week to week. The kid is a little short, but who knows.
Yeah, they told me so, does that make the "crew" feel better? Is everyone happy now? FF's, the Raiders win 3 in a row since '02 and all the "crew" can do is brag about how they had it all right. No one else has ever been right, except for the "crew". Are you happy?
Balanda, I have always said "Al Davis needs to sit down". I said he would be better off trying to secure a stadium and have someone else run the operation. It's all I have asked for, never said I wanted him dead, never said he had to sell the team. I have said more than once that I love the guy for all he had done.... BUT, this years draft was different than the years previous, since when does Al allow the 'wildcat'? Since when does he allow the blitzing heavy/attack defense as the norm? Something has changed, I say the shackles are off and this is the change, which IMO,= Al Davis has sat down. It's all I have asked for, let the coaches coach, let the team play a modern game, it's happening.
So, lets say the "crew" finally got one right, I am impressed. The Raiders are playing like champs, enjoy it, don't brag over it like you have done it yourselves.
JONES
"this officiating crew is the absolute worst! they cost us 14 points with their bumbling calls!"
Scorpio, it's even worse than that. I can't think of any KC scores that weren't set up by a bad call (phantom PI call and non-fumbled fumbles). Plus horses ass collar call.
"BUT, this years draft was different than the years previous, since when does Al allow the 'wildcat'? Since when does he allow the blitzing heavy/attack defense as the norm? Something has changed, I say the shackles are off and this is the change, which IMO,= Al Davis has sat down. It's all I have asked for, let the coaches coach, let the team play a modern game, it's happening."
My position remains the same. Al has always allowed coaches who can coach to coach. All Al ever asks is that it works. Cable can coach.
I think this game does a lot to our attitude as well. It was big in epic portions, and not just because we've gained ground on the division lead.
We played sloppy, and had a lot of things going against us (the refs, pre-snap penalties, int, bad special teams, etc); but for the first time since '02-'03; we were able to overcome those calls, come from behind, and win. We faced adversity, and slapped that adversity in the face! That is going to be BIG for us in the self-esteem part of the team. We can overcome adversity! HUGE WIN FOR THE RAIDERS!!!!!
It seems to me that a few people around here have kept arguing that "it isn't the scheme, it's the execution." This has always been met with screams and shouts about the Raiders antiquated system, accompanied with demands for Al Davis' head.
I'll tell you what. Go argue with Tommy Kelly.
“We ain’t changed nothing from first day of training camp up until this point,’’ Kelly said. “We’re just doing a better job executing what he’s calling. That’s it.
“Ain’t nothing changed. Nobody went in the meeting room and came up with some exotic defense. This is the same defense we’ve been running, we’re just executing.
“Lamarr (Houston) and (Matt) Shaughnessy holding the edge, turning the run back inside and me and Big Rich (Seymour) clean it up. We’re just executing. I just hope it continues.’’
It seems to me that a few people around here have kept arguing that "it isn't the scheme, it's the execution." This has always been met with screams and shouts about the Raiders antiquated system, accompanied with demands for Al Davis' head.
I'll tell you what. Go argue with Tommy Kelly.
“We ain’t changed nothing from first day of training camp up until this point,’’ Kelly said. “We’re just doing a better job executing what he’s calling. That’s it.
“Ain’t nothing changed. Nobody went in the meeting room and came up with some exotic defense. This is the same defense we’ve been running, we’re just executing.
“Lamarr (Houston) and (Matt) Shaughnessy holding the edge, turning the run back inside and me and Big Rich (Seymour) clean it up. We’re just executing. I just hope it continues.’’
It seems to me that a few people around here have kept arguing that "it isn't the scheme, it's the execution." This has always been met with screams and shouts about the Raiders antiquated system, accompanied with demands for Al Davis' head.
I'll tell you what. Go argue with Tommy Kelly.
“We ain’t changed nothing from first day of training camp up until this point,’’ Kelly said. “We’re just doing a better job executing what he’s calling. That’s it.
“Ain’t nothing changed. Nobody went in the meeting room and came up with some exotic defense. This is the same defense we’ve been running, we’re just executing.
“Lamarr (Houston) and (Matt) Shaughnessy holding the edge, turning the run back inside and me and Big Rich (Seymour) clean it up. We’re just executing. I just hope it continues.’’
JMAC has always said its more execution than scheme. And one person that seems to be benefiting from Seymour is Kelly. He looks like a completely new player. I'm not happy with Seymour's pre-snap penalties... but the guy is a frigging MONSTER this year at tackle.
And no, I am not going to miss that first round draft pick... we needed veteran leaders on defense.
Its why you will see NE with all those draft choices still floundering around in the playoffs (and losing to teams like Cleveland)... they traded away or let go every single leader they had on defense. Vrabel, Semour, Malloy, all are key players on other teams...
I just happened to think...
Just before the draft I needed a new car. I bought a black Ford hybrid edged in chrome (silver).
Looks like Cable and Davis had the same idea.
Nate,
Couldn't agree more. Huge win.
On the Jacoby Ford controversy.
Officially he had six receptions for 148. He was officially targeted 9 times. He caught 66.7% of balls thrown to him. He certainly did not drop as many as he caught. But, he certainly did came through in the clutch for us.
He also had 4 kick returns for 158. In all he had 306 All Purpose Yards. All in all a decent days work.
Also, two clutch kicks by Janakowski after his miss.
Jonesy,
As a charter member of The Crew I’m damn happy. But, hey, that’s just me. See how I’m smiling. Don’t understand why folks still want to continue a family squabble about who said what when after the past five weeks. Let’s all enjoy the ride together.
The problem with saying “I was right, I was right” is that it can all come crashing down with a three week reversal of fortune. That’s why I never engage in “I told you so’s”. Well, except for 1980, but that was after the Super Bowl.
Having said all that Tommy Kelly said something after the game that is being lost in the shuffle. He was asked about the change that has come over this team.
He spoke about the roster turnover the last two offseasons. He said something to the affect, “Al loves all his players and hates to let them go.” That’s my interpretation. I’ve always said Al Davis can be loyal to a fault. It’s an admirable quality. Not always successful, but admirable. He was loyal to Moss and Sapp while they were on the team, and both of them crapped on him when they left.
Yet there has been a drastic change in the number starters, new folks on the roster and new coaches from two years ago to now. The only constant during that time besides Al Davis is Tom Cable. Make of it what you will.
Now, lost in all this euphoria of the past five weeks (4-1) is how the defense is playing. Yes, they gave up a lot of yards against the Dolts, but made some big plays when the pressure was on. They played well against the Whiners except for the one big play. They pressured Cassel into an interception at the end of the first half on the goal line. The last three weeks they have shut down the oppositions running game. The Chefs got 104 but were averaging close to 200. Prior to Sundays game Cassel had only been sacked like five times. We got him for three and came close to at least three more (if only these 300 pound guys could run a 4.3 forty).
This is the way we envisioned them playing from the start of the season. If the defense continues to play like this I like our chances against the Squealers.
By the way, McClain had to leave the game with a hip injury. Any word on that?
H
IMO, it's scheme AND execution....
I don't remember seeing so much blitzing before, or disguising defensive formations. We've discussed these problems many times here, so it should come as no shock to anyone that those are variations of scheme we are NOT used to seeing.
Here's why we should start Ski at QB against Pitt:
A) Campbell demonstrated that he can go back into hibernation during a game (even if he did pull it together at the end).
B) Campbell holds the ball way too long, which is bad news for a pressure D like Pitt.
C) the players always seem to rally around Ski.
D) Ski played his career-best against the Steelers in the last meeting.
“We ain’t changed nothing from first day of training camp up until this point,’’ Kelly said. “We’re just doing a better job executing what he’s calling. That’s it.
Here’s my interpretation of that statement:
They’ve been putting this defense together since Marshall got there. At the start of camp they put in five new starters in the front seven and a new CB. They’ve stuck with the program stretching it each week. Now they have it just about where they want it. Everyone knows and understands their assignments and are sticking to the game plan.
Example:
Early in the season Huff and McClain were caught out of position on some running plays that burned us. Not so the last three weeks. When Branch went out Sunday, Mitchell came in and made a clutch tackle to prevent a first down. McClain came out with the hip injury and Brown came in. The defense continued to stop the run.
The biggest uptick in blitzing started predominately in the Dolt’s game. There was some early on but it was a slow progression up to then. Waufle’s work with the DL has now got them in sync allowing for more blitzes.
In other words, they ain’t changed anything, but the coaches and players have stuck with the program and it’s now paying off. Your execution doesn’t get any better if you don’t keep coaching it and practicing it.
JMNLHSO
H
This one's for Psycho
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H
I'll go back to a quote from Nnamdi a year or 2 ago, he said the Raiders would play an aggressive,blitzing style defense in preseason, then when the regular season started, they wouldn't play that way anymore. We have all seen the Raiders defense in preseason play a different scheme as compared to regular season.
I then go to the quote from Sapp on NFL network, he said Al would watch the film of practise during the week and then Thursday night would meet with the DC and tell him what he could and couldn't use as the scheme. What we are seeing now, is the unedited version of the defense that Sapp said Al edited.
To me, that means Al Davis has FINALLY backed off, this is all I have asked for. The "crew" can try and make it something else to satisfy themselves, whatever. As long as we are winning now, it doesn't really matter, does it?
JONES
Jones,
First off I wouldn't put any stock in anything that came from the general direction of Warren Sapp. He throws bombs with no backup just to make himself look good.
Plus, remember he was gone before Marshall arrived and the first offseason after Cable took over.
This ain't the same staff and, for the most part, it ain't the same players.
And, believe me as much as I complained about the way SOB ran the defense on game day, there was a decided difference from game one against the Thumbtacks even though we didn't have the same results as of late.
The aligments were different, the movement of personnel was different, the rotation on the line was different. Everything was just different. Nothing static.
H
H..
I disagree, the scheme has changed. We saw this, a game here a game there during SOB and Marshall. Remember the "getting yelled at" quote. That was Nnamdi as well, a guy who has been in Oakland at the time Sapp was. What has happened, the shackles have been taken off, the players are now being used to their potential. Seymour was just another Raider DT that was hardly noticed last year and the first few games this year. What changed? Huff has turned into an impact player, Branch is no longer getting torched. They have been placed in a scheme that allows them to be successful. The players know it and you can see a different attitude and aggressivness that was not there when playing the basic defense they were. To me, it's obvious.
JONES
As far as Sapp not being a credible quote, I disagree with this also. The guy was in the room, the guy was a vet of the league, knew how other teams and the Raiders worked from the inside. Why would he throw that quote out there like that? On NFL network? Does he hate the Raiders? Or does he just tell it like it is, no matter how much it coils one's sphynkter?
Then you can take the Randy Moss quote, I know he is a headcase, but he was quoted saying something about fishy things going on. Then you have the guy that Cable punched, he was still on the staff for Al's lawsuit vs Kiffin. Al's control is very well documented, to me, it looks as though he has backed off that, as he did when Gruden was coach.
I'm seeing a coaching staff that is ALLOWED to coach in these last few games. Maybe Cable has earned it in Al's eyes or Al has finally understood that he needs to let go, can't say for sure. But watching them, it's different and through the coaches before Cable, we didn't see this. SOB was an obvious lapdog of Al's, you cannot deny that, Marshall has been up to this point...what has changed?
JONES
"Marshall up to this point" meaning before the scheme change.
Why would Sapp throw out a quote liek that? He's a grandstander.
I look for him to any day now take credit for Tommy Kelly's play this season. He went on and on about what a "monster" he and created.
Also, he was in what room? And why is he the only one saying it?
I'm not saying Al Davis didn't meet with his coaching staff. I'm sure he did.
Also, Kelly said since the first day of training camp. Was he talking about training camp three years ago or this year? I say this year.
Running any scheme is useless if you don't have the personnel to do it. Now Marshall has the parts he needs. They have been coached up and now they are clicking. All this is a process that leads to the current success.
That's just the way I interperate it.
For Marshall being "yelled at". Folks want to take that as he got yelled at. Others take it as he was making a joke.
Point is there is nothing to support either side of the argument, so I'm moving on.
From Cable on the second challenge:
"In the replay that they showed, his left thigh and knee is out of bounds before the right foot hit in bounds. It was clear. He said he didn't get that picture in the booth. So, I don't understand that."
Interesting. That’s what I thought I saw in the replay. Why wouldn’t they have that angle in the replay booth? I thought they had the same replays as the network.
There are probably a season’s worth of “apology” letters that could be issued from Sunday’s game. To both teams.
One note of interest if you look at the replay of the pass in regulation that set up the tying field goal. Number 24 of the Chefs was begging for offensive pass interference. Thing is Ford just picked his pocket and took the ball away from him.
Under the heading of “Don’t look now” Janakowski is leading the league in scoring by 20 points. I wish it were 23, but take what you can get.
Murphy, Nnamdi, Zach Miller, McClain, Branch, Gradkowski. Those starters missed all or part of the game and we still won.
H
Here's one example:
Michael Huff had 1.5 career sacks in four years as a starter leading up to 2010. He has 2.0 sacks this year.
It's no mystery that Huff has played closer to the LOS this year. He is playing the run much better and he has been involved in blitz packages that did not exist in previous seasons.
Raiders are steeped in man-to-man coverage, so much so that they struggle to play zone and have mostly abandoned it.
There's no question we are seeing more m-t-m, complemented (as it should be) by more blitzing.
Who's actually pulling the trigger on this is up for debate, but it's clearly different than last year. IMO, it's a combination of variation in scheme and better overall execution.
Blitz is nothing new: Why???...
#1...Scheme has not changed form the 4-3 base but as noted a 5-Man Front "Big-Nickle" was added against "SD" in the 4th quarter and used at times sense....With a 5-Man Front it's NOT blitzing when 5 rush the "QB"-n-"RB"s...But they do run blitzes out of that formation...Even at times having 6-7 on the line threatening to come...
#2...We were a Blitz heavy team in the past during Madden/Flores/"Rat" out of the 3-4 Scheme so trying to call it a Non Al Davis blitzing "D" is totally pathetic/misinformed...We also blitzed under Willie Shaw and later under Breshnihan during the Gruden era especially when Our "O" was producing well and the "D" did not have to feel cautious...
#3...The blitz is most effective when used at the proper times and disguised...When your "O" is completely inept and can't sustain the slightest amount of consistency the Blitz is very dangerous and risky...We were forced to play very conservative "D" during those periods of time...Now as the "O" has improved so has the "D" and is playing much less cautiously than in the recent past...That is the normal progression of team development not anything "Mystical" or "Magical"...
#4...This a run Blitz by design...We now get to the "RB"s before they can gain momentum and make them change direction taking away their power/speed-n-agility...That was visible consistently yesterday against the "Squaws"...At the same time we get good pressure on the "QB"s while maintaining gap control...
#5...We are now the #1 team in Sacks...That's an example of the type of pressure we are now getting in their backfields...We have improved immensely in Run "D" which is also a barometer of how well designed the Blitzing is...The returning of the "DL" coach from the Gruden era has made a huge mark on this "D"...All facets of improvement in how well the base scheme is implemented -n- executed...
Has Al Davis Sat Down???
Come'on....Would he ever...Has his thrust for "V"s diminished...Has his hunger for notoriety taken a back seat...Has he lost his lust for searching for that perfect player with anti-typical size/speed/athletic quotient...Has he lost his desire to be imaginative with his favorite toy...
NO...He has NOT...But as a coaching staff prove they can produce by what they do more leeway is given...Simple as that...Just like Madden of the past who was allowed to instill a 3-4 Scheme where the only the 4-3 had been before...Or Flores coached a team led by it's "TE"s -n- "RB"s in receptions rather than it's "WR"s...Or Shell I was allowed to move the team back to a 4-3 scheme as was originally fielded...Or Gruden was allowed to instill a "WCO" that Al Davis hated which was allowed also under Mike White...
PantyRaider...I Lied...Well...Subject Struck A Passion So What Else Could I Do Except Break Silence -n- Comment!!!/_
JONES Said....
Yeah, they told me so, does that make the "crew" feel better? Is everyone happy now? FF's, the Raiders win 3 in a row since '02 and all the "crew" can do is brag about how they had it all right. No one else has ever been right, except for the "crew". Are you happy?
So, lets say the "crew" finally got one right, I am impressed. The Raiders are playing like champs, enjoy it, don't brag over it like you have done it yourselves.
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Not sure what to make of that...Sounds a bit too out of character to believe on 1st sight...
We shall see!!!...
PantyRaider...This Team Has Matured BUT Could A Poster Do Likewise???/_
Bama7
Every time we win, our chemistry grows. Winning solves everything. Offensively we will get better as more and more people each week step-up and pitch-in. Defensively, when we do a three and out like we did in OT to get the ball for the win, we grow and gain confidence. I have to admit I cringed when they won the toss in OT, thinking we'd never get the ball back... past bad luck and losing habits. BUT we are shaking old monkeys off our backs like fleas and we are developing into a winning football team.
"All praise Al! "
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Yes, I praise Al. His 8 year rebuilding plan is working like a charm.
And to the soothsayers, like Gary, who told us in 2003, "Just wait until 2010/11, Wow, you're really amazing.
I just hope the Raiders win a SB soon. My heart cannot stand another 8 year build.
That said, the Raiders are looking "Ford Tough".
And doesn't anyone ever tell these officials that, half the calls they are making, never happened on the field ?
They are either seeing mirages, or making sh*t up.
Isn't there any oversite of these bumbling goofballs ?
>>>>
Yes, I praise Al. His 8 year rebuilding plan is working like a charm.
And to the soothsayers, like Gary, who told us in 2003, "Just wait until 2010/11, Wow, you're really amazing.
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Yes young child... sometimes in the NFL you have to have patience.
SD stunk for how long before becoming a contender every year?
Actually, outside of NE, Pitts, and Phily, most teams have 7 year no-playoff droughts... obviously not as BAD as the Raiders suckiness before this year... but I've always said the difference between losing 11 games and 9 games a year doesn't mean SQUAT in the big picture.
Missing the playoffs is missing the playoffs no matter how many losses a team has.
Now watch while all the "binary thinkers" heads explode!
"GARY JUST SAID LOSING IS THE SAME AS WINNING" or some gawd-damn BS.
Well Waste, if I can do it, maybe you can too?.......I mean, Am I the one impersonating you on here? Is that mature? Sometimes one has to look in the mirror to find some TRUTH.....
Come on Waste. It is very obvious the scheme has changed, saying it's the same as the 70's and 80's is just another example of flawed reasoning. Todays game isn't the same, the problem was Al's continuing to insist on playing the 70's defense. Now the Blitzes are coming from all over and very well disguised, back then, no blitzes and coverages disguised as they are today. QB's are much more advanced at picking up and exploiting blitzes. If you aren't fooling the QB, you are going to get burned. Steve Young laughed at how simple the Raiders defense was on Monday Night Football last year, do you think he would be saying the same thing after these last few games? Don't think so.
AS far as Al goes, he did it once when he hired Gruden, so don't put it past him that he has done it again. Everyone in the world saw the change was needed, well, except for a few. The draft was different this year and now the defense is playing attack defense and the O came out with the Wildcat. This is all different, did Al change up or did he just back off? Al wants to win, he saw that his way wasn't getting it done, so he let's go of the reigns and has allowed the coaches to do what they feel needs to be done. As well, I'm sure the players input is being heard.
JONES
Cable says he's sticking with the hot hand at QB.
Anyone else think Ski should start against Pitt? I listed my reasons above.
NYRaider,
Huff has sacks, Branch has sacks, Wimbley has sacks from both the LB and DE positions. I believe we have four players with 3.5 or more.
In fact as of Sunday we are second in the league in sacks. Granted, some of the teams behind us have had their bye weeks, but we are still tied for second.
Who is pulling the trigger? I suspect it is Marshall in concert with Cable. One of the announcers in the last few games said the defense was taking on the agressive personality of their head coach. That during interviews Cable stated this was the type of defense he was trying to build.
Also, agressive pressure defenses are the type that Marshall ran at Seattle.
That's my guess. And, if it has Al's blessing, well he does say "Just Win Baby!"
H
H -
Doesn't that kind of lend to Jone's assertion that the scheme is different?
I don't think you can say our LBs, CBs and S's are suddenly getting better at sacking the QB.
Fact is, these players are just now (this year) being asked to blitz more regularly.
That's part of a new scheme.
I'm not informed enough to tell who is making that decision, so I won't try. Not my style to look a gift horse in the mouth.
JONES...
It took you 2 words to prove who you are....Like I said...Your other post was out of character and now your right back in it...I didn't have to wait -n- see very damn long now did I...So now let's see if you can define something football related without your usual misinterpretations of what was posted....
Re: Mid "70"s -to- mid "80"s was in the base "3-4 Scheme" NOT the base "4-3 Scheme" that we play today...Obviously that was changed...
To make blanket statements claiming that the "Scheme"s have changed without the slightest connotations as to which/what/where/how and using that as "Prof" that our "MGP" has stepped down is superficial to say the least...
Define "Scheme" and what has changed...
As noted we play in the base "4-3 Scheme" -w- Nickle-n-Dime packages...I noted that we started employing a "5-Man Front Big-Nickle" in the 4th quarter against "SD" -w- several blitz packages...That's noted because I don't recall seeing that before on a Raider team...
Stipulation: NO memory of it does NOT prove it is NEW!!...
I posted info on the types of "Blitz Schemes" run by NFL teams...Nothing is new there just variations on how or when their implemented and several different versions can be utilized in a single contest...
"5-1-5" is a "Nickle Package" or is it a base scheme...
Question: When players -n- coaches spoke of a "Hybrid" Scheme were they referring to the "5-1-5" we have seen sense the 4th quarter of the "SD" game...Were they referring to a group of "Blitz Schemes" that were being implemented during this season's camps and orchestrated in the games of late...Or is it something else that has yet to be identified...
My take as noted by "BR" -n- "H" is that what we see now is the aftermath of what was being installed during this season's camps and the personnel finally get it well enough for it to be employed in the past few weeks....
What does that mean:
Quite simply that Mr Davis hired Marshal as "DC" to instill a specific type of "D" that was perhaps much more aggressive than that run by "SOB"...Was that at the request of "HC" Cable...Possible but I don't recall...They (Davis/Cable/Marshal) than went out a acquired the necessary players to run it prolley starting with Seymour last season when he became available...
So really in retrospect is there any indication at all that Mr Davis has "Sat Down"....I most certainly don't see it...If anything the "OldMan" has stood up!!!...
PantyRaider...Your Turn!!!/_
Once a Waste, always a waste. I don't have to prove anything to you and I have covered all the 'points' you brought up already. I don't get caught up in your "man's game" and for you to not even acknowledge that you are immature in your little cyber game, shows your character.
You are not somebody I will debate with because you are just too poor a quality of human being to bother with. Plus, if I want to debate against Wiki, well, you get the point.
I thought you were leaving this board for a while, please go, you really bring down the quality of this site with your copy and paste routine. By the way, how many other aliases do you have on here?
JONES
"One of the announcers in the last few games said the defense was taking on the agressive personality of their head coach. That during interviews Cable stated this was the type of defense he was trying to build."
We all know Al took pride in his defense, he on more than a couple of occasions took credit for the defense in the Art2 year. 3 different HC's and SOB stayed, the defense played the same way throughout this period. You take into account the quotes from players and it is very obvious how Al likes the defense to be played. Now that has changed, as you say, with Al's blessing. So in essence, Al has backed off the defense because it is no longer playing Al's scheme = limited blitzing, no stunts, safety deep, just beat the guy in front of you. It's very obvious to those who don't have a closed mind about the issue.
JONES
Campbell starts until he loses his spot, I don't think Grad is healthy yet anyways, is he? I say leave Campbell in until he gives good reason to sit, 3 game winning streak, he brought the team back, with help from Jacoby (who needs DHB?). Don't mess with success.
JONES
Note on the "O"...
The "WildCat" was brought in when we drafted "D-Mac" as that was his play from Arkansas...We have run it now for 3 seasons but it now has an expanded role as does it's feature back...Other teams also tried it but it seemed to die out in the NFL...
The "WildHog" was also tried and I fully expect to see it again...Maybe against Pitts...
Fake "FG"s are also now being utilized with very mixed results...Now remember that was what Cable initiated when he became "HC"...
The "Unbalanced Line" began to be used when Hue was hired as "OC" but was originally of Shell I design with the Raiders...It mostly failed back than and was scrapped...
Dump-offs to the "RB"s -n- "TE"s are part of an old scheme used during Flores along with power running but Hue has added some new wrinkles like slants and some well designed screens...
The End Around/Reverse/Flea-Flicker/Option/Direct Hike to the "RB" and such that we have seen in our "O" this season have all been done before with varied success...The difference is Hue is making it work...
As has been noted before:
The more things change the more they stay the same and nothing is new to the NFL...
PantyRaider...Aren't I Suppose To Be On The Bye!!!/_
Yes "JUD-ASS" just as I projected your take was phony and totally our of character...It didn't take but a few words to expose what type of insecure little bitch you really are...
Just a total piece of shit!!!...
I can't debate football because I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING!!
I'm just a phony but I DON"T WANT YOU TO PROVE IT!!!...
I'm full of shit because I POTTIES MY DIAPER!!
I'M JONES THE TRUE-BITCH!!!
JONES
NYRaider,
I'm not one of the ones saying it isn't. Never have been. I think the scheme is different.
In fact if you will go back to earlier in the season you will find where I've talked about how they are lining up different. No more three LB's five yards off the line.
I believe I made some of those observations in the Tennessee game. Saying we played the run fairly well except for the long run by Johnson. Primarily because of how the defense was different.
A linebacker on the line of scrimmage on the tight end. You didn't know if he was going to blitz or jam the tight end.
I was pointing out how things were different. Where as last spring we were arguing how Al Davis wouldn't let it happen.
It's not an "I told you so." Just making observations.
It was evident from the draft to the trades that there was a conserted effort to do a total makeover on defense. New people, new scheme. Takes a little time to sync it all together.
My main assertion is, as Kelly said, they've been doing this since the first day of camp this year. Now, they have reached the point where it can be unleashed in its full glory.
If nothing else, I believe I've been pretty consistent.
H
Jones,
We all DON'T know. We make assumptions and offer opinions.
Until we are sitting in on the meetings that's about the best we can do. Some of us may be omniscient, I'm just not one of them.
H
Well it's now very obvious that the motive was never to discus the "D" and it's schemes and blitz packages...
It was all just an elaborate scheme devised to discredit Mr Davis as having a part in it's design or implementation while demanding that the "OldMan" has been removed from the throne saying he has been "Sat Down"...
Total Bull-Shit from the very 1st words...
PantyRaider...Now That That's Out Of The Way Time For My BYE!!!/_
Had to expose the lies 1st So I Can Rest!!!...
"H"...
"Omniscient" was perfect!!!
Wish I had thought of that...
"We all DON'T know. We make assumptions and offer opinions"
WE don't know what? If Al has said it himself, if players are saying it, if you can see it by watching the games, then yes, we do or at least I know.
Why bother, it's the same ole "crew", I'm glad the Raiders are changing but very "what else is new" with the "crew" staying the same.
Denial and blind loyalty are not good qualities. When trying to make points or have a debate, it is IMPOSSIBLE because of these 2 traits. No matter what proof is served, no matter what facts are presented, it will never make a dent. So, WHY BOTHER?????
JONES
"I was pointing out how things were different. Where as last spring we were arguing how Al Davis wouldn't let it happen"...
Maybe all the empty seats helped Al make his decision on letting it happen. Fan discontent can go a long way in showing an owner that we want change. My problem with it is, why did it take so long? It was obvious a while back.
JONES
There will be a bidding war but Mike Vick can be had at the end of this season. Bicker all you'd like about who's better, Grad or JC, but I'd like to think we need an upgrade either way should we like to return the Lombardi Trophy to it's rightful home at 1220 Harbor Bay Parkway.
6:43 PM
The one thing Cable has been saying continuously to the team and media is "Just cut it loose". I know this can have many broad meanings and context but if you cut it to the bone, it is saying "play fast, play aggressively".
As H pointed out brilliantly, our LBs are no longer squatting 5 yards off the LOS.
AS NYR pointed out, our safeties are blitzing more regularly.
As Jones said, we are playing more of an attacking D.
Still not the biggest Vick fan, but I have to admit after watching the highlights of him from Sunday, the dude is just sick. Not just his speed and elusiveness, but his arm. The ball is coming out like a laser.
New take is up.
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