One Postgame Take
After a shaky start to the season, the Raiders took off like a comet. The team's newfound trajectory looked like it could take us all the way to the AFC West title.
Now, two games later, the comet has crashed to earth. And unless we can win four out of the next five games, our divisional title hopes will likely be dashed, because it looks nine wins will be the minimum to contend.
Meanwhile, three wins over the next five games are necessary to reach the .500 mark. I would suppose that Tom Cable's tenure hangs in the balance of that eight-win mark. But who really knows?
The offense is the obvious culprit for our recent woes. But buried in the smoking rubble is that our defense has allowed 902 offensive yards over the past two games. We have allowed 180+ net yards rushing in each of the past two games.
On the other side of the ball, how does Darren McFadden get just two yards on eight carries? I don't know which is more absurd: the .25 yards rushing average, or the fact that he only got eight carries. His stats weren't much better the previous week.
I doubt that McFadden's abilities suddenly evaporated. Other teams aren't respecting our passing game, and our offensive line doesn't seem stout enough to do anything about it. Hence, the running game has been shut down.
According to Cable, "This isn't anything new for us. You're going to see eight- and nine-man boxes. That's what happens when you're a good running team. Our system has been built to handle that."
Alas, "systems" don't play the games. It seems to me that we have nagging deficiencies at quarterback, wide receiver and offensive line. Combine that with a defense that seems to be regressing, and we suddenly find ourselves wondering what's up with this team.
In other words, are the Raiders still climbing out of the hole—or are they climbing back in?
I still expect eight wins this season. Anything less would be unacceptable. I'm sure that Mr. Davis would agree with that. In other words, it's time for a turnaround.
Now, two games later, the comet has crashed to earth. And unless we can win four out of the next five games, our divisional title hopes will likely be dashed, because it looks nine wins will be the minimum to contend.
Meanwhile, three wins over the next five games are necessary to reach the .500 mark. I would suppose that Tom Cable's tenure hangs in the balance of that eight-win mark. But who really knows?
The offense is the obvious culprit for our recent woes. But buried in the smoking rubble is that our defense has allowed 902 offensive yards over the past two games. We have allowed 180+ net yards rushing in each of the past two games.
On the other side of the ball, how does Darren McFadden get just two yards on eight carries? I don't know which is more absurd: the .25 yards rushing average, or the fact that he only got eight carries. His stats weren't much better the previous week.
I doubt that McFadden's abilities suddenly evaporated. Other teams aren't respecting our passing game, and our offensive line doesn't seem stout enough to do anything about it. Hence, the running game has been shut down.
According to Cable, "This isn't anything new for us. You're going to see eight- and nine-man boxes. That's what happens when you're a good running team. Our system has been built to handle that."
Alas, "systems" don't play the games. It seems to me that we have nagging deficiencies at quarterback, wide receiver and offensive line. Combine that with a defense that seems to be regressing, and we suddenly find ourselves wondering what's up with this team.
In other words, are the Raiders still climbing out of the hole—or are they climbing back in?
I still expect eight wins this season. Anything less would be unacceptable. I'm sure that Mr. Davis would agree with that. In other words, it's time for a turnaround.
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Well "RT"...Mostly I agree:
Not climbing back down but most certainly slipping on the slimy wet ground at the top...The assent from an abyss is not easy...Many have tried but only a few succeed...
Recently the Jets have certainly succeeded...In the past "NO" also...
The "Squaws" are holding ground and may yet make their assent good...But I'm doubtful...Maybe be more like Cinn who appeared to be up just to slip and tumble back down...Like Detroit has done a time or two...Same with the "Donko"s who slipped in and held on for dear life for a few seasons before loosing their grip now and plunging into the pit...Dallas...Minn...Chicago...AZ...Seattle...Giants...Tenn...Houston are all perfect examples of teams who appeared to be making their way out only to get slapped up along side the head and pushed back down within...
Now we have Philly..."GB"...Atlanta...Jacksonville...Baltimore -n- "KC" trying desperately to be the next team to make it out and stay up...
This "RT" is the reality that is the NFL...Meanwhile we all contend for that "QB" who can get us there...For that "WR" who can burn the "D"s....And for the "OL" which is difficult to say the least to build...
OK...During our low time what did we add...
"RB"s/"FB"/"TE"s/Young "WR" Core as our specialty players on "O"...
"LOT"-n-"LG" seem intact now....
On "D"...
"DE"s/"DT"s/"MLB"/"OLB"/"S"s....
Where do we continue to be weak...
"QB"/#1 "WR"/"C"/"RG"/"ROT"....
"CB"/"DT" depth...
Possible solutions...
"RG" -n- "ROT" may already be on the roster if they develop...
Lopper-n-Campbell...
Draft "CB"-n-"C"-n-"DT" Depth if Heard can't handle it...
Sign "QB" -n- #1 "WR"....
I saw we go after Vince Young -n- Plexico Burris...
PantyRaider...Would Love To See Vick!!!/_
Cut a little slack to the "OL"...
Not much though...
We have been a "ZBS" and now transition back to a "PBS"...Unfortunately some of the players we brought in were best suited for the scheme we are abandoning...Now they have some difficulty with the transformation...But..."PB" was in their past so I don't cut them allot of slack here...
They still fail miserably as a unit...
Also Cable was a "ZBS" coach so his influence on the "OL" may have suffered slightly...
Early on we were new...The teams tried to figure us out...They said Hue was confusing...Well as noted Pitts showed them the way to beat Hue because they don't have to fear our "QB"s...Meanwhile the "D" gets gassed and gives up chunks late in the game....
18: Min "O"...How sick is that...
Now how do we get it going again late in the season when it's difficult to add something new with such short preparation time...
I still say the "WildCat" is our only option...Something we are already familiar with that they don't have time to prepare for...
"JustCrap" can run...So have him in with "D-Mac" at times but also have Bush in there...
Can Kile Boller run or throw a damn football down the field...
PantyRaider...Damn!!...Where The Hell Is "JePurple" When We Need Him Most!!!!/_
Yeah, RT, I think we all got caught up with visions of the playoffs dancing in our heads.
Too much, too soon, I guess.
But I still say, give me 8 wins, or give me death.
The Raiders have made much improvment this year.
Especially considering big ?? at key positions like Qb, and 0-line.
I'll even take 7 wins if it means beating SD, or Indy. Going into KC at 6-9, at beating Chefs on road would be sweet.
Remember when Grudens Raiders went into KC on final week, and knocked Chefs out of playoffs ?
That was the real beginning of the turn around.
I would love a scenerio like that again this year.
The Raiders have become a team of record-breaking extremes.
So are they getting better or worse? It’s a fair question.
How can a team post record-breaking scoring in one game, and soon after get manhandled two games in a row? How can a QB (not named Russell) post a 10-rating in one game and a 127 in another game, then back to a 17 (or whatever it was)?
I’ve seen the Raiders play more dynamic on offense then I’ve seen in years, and yet I’ve seen them play as vanilla as the dreaded B&B offense of the past.
And how can the #2 rushing attack suddenly look worse than #32? It’s not because opposing defenses added one or two players in the box. That’s a lame excuse.
The defense added some blitzing, but still doesn’t seem to disguise its formations. And just when it looked like they may have solved their woes against the run, they get pounded again, and again.
Wow! It’s exhausting to watch this team and hope for some level of consistency.
Assuming some overall improvement can be identified among the plethora of past shortcomings, what is it that's keeping the Raiders from breaking the 5-win plateau?
Should we still assume the team is on the brink of success?
After watching the past two games, and seeing the Chargers resurgence, I have a very bad feeling about this week’s game. A sane person must conclude there is almost no way the Raiders can beat the Chargers this week. Yet, that’s where we are. Pretty much the entire season rides in the balance... because the only real chance the Raiders have left to make the playoffs includes sweeping the division.
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And how can the #2 rushing attack suddenly look worse than #32? It’s not because opposing defenses added one or two players in the box. That’s a lame excuse.
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So what else has changed?
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The defense added some blitzing, but still doesn’t seem to disguise its formations.
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This part I agree with... the few times they lined everyone up on the line in the first half leading to sacks and pressure should have been followed up by doing the same thing in the second half, but backing everyone off into a base defense.
Instead, every time we did it they put a hot-read isolating our rookie McFadden to a quick throw, and I think they scored a TD... or at least a long play every time.
Marshall is not very inventive or deceptive, but at least is somewhat of a step up from SOB. Which isn't saying much...
"Wow! It’s exhausting to watch this team and hope for some level of consistency."
Concur. Establishing a level of consistency and an identity seems to be elusive.
On the bright side of things ...
There has been a noticeable uptick in terms of effort.
The team and individuals seems to have good chemistry, accountability, and a lack of negative, distracting, me-first behavior.
No one that I know of on the team is making lame excuses or throwing anyone under the bus.
There seems to be a fairly good handle and realistic view of what it will take to truly turn the corner.
2010 is looking like IMO the year we will take 1 necessary baby step forward towards climbing the competitive ladder.
Gary...
That's an interesting point about Marshal...If I'm correct his contract was for 2 seasons and up at the end of this one...Could there be a new "DC" waiting for that phone call...Now that would not depress me in the least...He has done some good but also it's been limited...I think the returning "DL" coach Mike Waufle has more to do with this years resurgence than Marshall himself...
Also the "DB"s could use some better coaching as well....Especially when they try that damn Zone shit and when the heavy blitz leaves them on an island...They have failed miserably in those situations...
The other new coaching need is "WR"s..."SadLay" has no personal experience at the NFL level and is not at all equipped to teach these young "WR"s how to get open/separation....We have sucked there ever sense Freddy B retired...
Just an opinion...
Raider00....
Maybe there are allot of similarities to this season and Gruden's 1st...We have had the same circus at "QB" that he went threw until Gannon came in and solidified that position...Even than it still wasn't until his 3rd year that we broke 8 wins...The Raiders had averaged 8 wins per season over a long span dating back to Shell I including Mike White....
Now we have averaged about 4/5 wins per season over a long span and can't seem to break free of it either...
PantyRaider....8-n-8 Is Doable...Doubts Now About My Projected 10-n-6!!!!/_
"CJ"...
All those things you posted say we have already turned that corner...
The next step is to continue the healing process to full recovery...
Where do we measure full recovery...
Maybe being a consistent winner and consistently in contention...
The recovery is underway but there is uncertainty as to it's progress and time line...
The patient can regress without returning to a critical condition near death...
Near death is where we were prior to turning that corner...
PantyRaider...Full Cardiac Arrest!!!/_
PR - I think most of us were duped into thinking we had turned the corner after 2 beatdown wins and a 3 game winning streak. The reality is we STILL have a LONG ways to go to prove ourselves.
Bruce Gradkowski is out with a third-degree separation of his throwing shoulder. It’s unlikely he’ll play again this season.
Why we have trouble at "WR"...
– Wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey was 0-for-November. His last catch came on Oct. 31, when he had five catches for 105 yards and his first breakaway play, a 69-yard touchdown catch, against Seattle.
Of Note...He has also been slowed by injury...
– Louis Murphy has not made the Year 1 to Year 2 leap the Raiders had hoped. He’s the most productive wideout with 28 catches for 435 yards, but has been prone to drops and mistakes. His only touchdown catch of the season came in Week 2.
Of note...He has also been slowed by injury...
Meanwhile looking at "TE"...
Tight end Zach Miller, the one truly reliable receiver since 2007, has five receptions for 23 yards over the last five games, one which he missed due to injury. Miller has been battling a torn plantar fascia and now has what Cable called a severe leg contusion.
Obviously slowed by injury...
"JLH" is a non-factor and so has been Nick Miller...
So in essence we now have one healthy "WR" of note...The rookie Ford...Who is exciting...But with only him and "D-mac" doing the work while there isn't a reliable "QB" to get them the ball consistently why should any team respect our passing game...They will just load the box and dare us to throw...
The simple fact is that until we can come out and prove that we can throw that damn ball the "D"s will simply crowd the box to shut down the run....
If we have any hope this season it will be necessary to pump up the pass...No more runs on 1st dn...Go for broke and establish the pass 1st than we will be able to run the rock again effectively...
Play-Action is now useless...Who will bite...
Maybe quick hitting pass plays but with "JustCrap"s hesitation how do we do that...
PantyRaider..."WildCat" Is Our Only Hope!!!!/_
"CJ"...
"Turn the Corner" has a very simple meaning as defined...Why must you corkscrew it into something it is NOT...This applies to the road to recovery NOT turning the corner toward recovery...
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The reality is we STILL have a LONG ways to go to prove ourselves.
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Turn the corner is literally turning around and heading in a positive direction...We have already done that...All indications are in a positive direction...
Set-backs due to injury/poor play at a key position/"D"s understand our game are NOT an indication that we are again "Terminally Ill"...It's just an indication that our progress toward recovery has been slowed...
PantyRaider...The Road To Full Recovery May be A Long One!!!/_
"Campbell was a 62 percent passer over his last three seasons in Washington. All it took was to join the team that forgot how to pass years ago to drop him to 54.7 percent." (J-Mac)
I'm wondering if the previous claims that the Raiders didn't need veteran help at WR still hold true. Maybe someone that supported that notion could shed some light on the current WR situation.
If not for a rookie 4th round draft pick stealing INTs from defenders and making circus catches, our passing game would be far worse.
But of course we knew Ford would become a force at WR, otherwise, we would have signed some vet help, right?
"DHB 0 for November." That about sums it up.
And why would Nick Miller get benched for fielding ONE punt inside the 5? Can't his coach just tell him not to do that? He's clearly better than JLH at eluding the initial hit on punt returns.
NYRaider said, "I'm wondering if the previous claims that the Raiders didn't need veteran help at WR still hold true. Maybe someone that supported that notion could shed some light on the current WR situation."
Sure thing, I still support this position that we need 1 above average veteran WR. We have a lot of up and coming young talent at this position that need in game leadership at their position. It is one thing for a veteran QB to tell you where you need to go; but another for a vet WR to tell you how to get there. A lot of DHB's, Louis Murphy's, Nick Miller's, and Jacoby Ford's inconsistency problems come, not from route running; but "tricks of the trade" to help create separation from a DB (both before and after the pass); recognizing an open zone in the defense; getting the better angle after the catch; recognizing the DB scheme at the line; etc.
An above average Vet WR will be there for a young WR to pick his brain on how to counter a scheme they've never seen before. We don't have that. Those are things that a veteran WR will bring.
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An above average Vet WR will be there for a young WR to pick his brain on how to counter a scheme they've never seen before. We don't have that. Those are things that a veteran WR will bring.
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In a perfect world, all of this makes sense. However, this is the NFL, and most of the WRs are a different breed of cat... they are territorial and selfish by nature.
All the veteran WRs willing to be tutorial are already almost certainly signed and protected.
The list of quality available FA WR's that I asked for before the season only had a few quality names on it to begin with... and why would they want to come to the Raiders with their history of losing and horrible QBs... unless of course they overpay (which drives the IIAFers crazy).
After the season started, Houshmenzada was the ONLY vet WR I thought would be a fit... and he went to the Ravens.
Gee... damn Al for him wanting to go to a SB quality team with a rising star QB instead of the Raiders!!
This isn't fantasy football or Madden, folks... you can't just pick a player and stick him on a roster.
If you don't think so... name the frigging quality vet FA WR we should have hired, and more importantly, explain why he could have been signed by the Raiders instead of the team he signed with.
The only reason we signed Jerry Rice at the end of his career was because WE HAD THE BEST QB and one of the best teams.
Do you think Rice would come to the Raiders now with JaMarcus Campbell and 7 losing seasons or something?
Gawd it gets tiring arguing with people that think the NFL is ran just like Madden or FF.
More on the point that NFL teams can just snap their fingers and pick up a tutorial veteran WR... look at the VIkings after Simean Rice got hurt... they had a HOF QB and a team one play from the SB last season.
Who was the only WR they could find??
Randy frigging Moss and he cost them a 4th rounder to get him.
Cmon guys.. use your head.
Sometimes you have to play with the cards you are dealt... this is one subject I differ with JMAC on... he frigging wanted us to sign TO!!!
Look how that turned out for Cinci...
Scandal aside, Broncos can't be so wishy-washy with McDaniels
The last thing McDaniels needed during this horrific season was to be accused of spying on opponents. And now he must be sitting in his office wondering if his owner supports him or if his time in Denver is coming to an abrupt end.
Running Jay Cutler and Brandon Marshall out of town probably didn't help.
"This has been a very trying and disappointing season for all of us," Bowlen said in the statement. "We haven't had the success we had hoped to achieve. Josh McDaniels is the head coach of the Broncos, and you always strive for stability at that position. However, with five games left in the 2010 season, we will continue to monitor the progress of the team and evaluate what's in the best interest of this franchise."
I smell a Bar-B-Que brewing in "MuleHigh" and the dumb ASS on the grill will be "McDamnY'alls"...
RaiderNate75...
I agree...Problem is we don't have that in the coaches either..All that was lost when Freddy-B and Timmy Brown retired...
But now in retrospect here was the dilemma....WHO!!!...
I pimped players like Plexico Burris who never got released from jail but was continually rejected on this board...
Moss was there..."TO" who I didn't like...Brandon Martial who I pimped out of "MuleHigh"...But few others were even available this past off season...Also I pimped going after Vincent Jackson than and now when the season is over...
Problem is the same ones who want to beat that perpetual drum of "WE NEED NOW" are the same ones who cried "NO-NO-NO" every time I pimped a possibility...
They rejected the help when available but now want to bash the Raiders for not pulling a "Hat-Trick" and picking someone out of this air...
Hazalmda became available late out of Seattle but was snagged immediately as there were more than one team in need...
Minn/Miami/Tenn/Wash and others were all in the hunt for what little was available...
This off season will be the same "BS"...The few "QB" of merit who will be available also carry some sort of "Baggage Claim" with them so the board will be rejecting them...Same with the vet "WR"s...Than in the end the Raiders will again be bashed for not being able to make a "Hat-Trick"...
PantyRaider...Cry-Cry-Cry -n- Than Bitch When Nothing Was Done!!!!/_
Gary asking us all to be reasonable, and so I ask: What is a reasonable timeframe in the parity-driven NFL for a franchise to climb back to .500 football? Seven years? Eight years? Ten years?
Gary...
Looks like we had the same line of thought about posters on this board...How funny is that...
It's only obvious after season after season of reading that stupidity...
No-N0-NOT That One....Why don't I have it....I want it NOW-Now-Now!!!...We didn't get it...Wha!!..Wha!!..Whaaa!!!...
Same stupid story line season after season...
PantyRaider...Historically Dumb!!!/_
"RT"...
I think we have all acknowledged that this franchise went into the dumper with no clear plan to get out for some time...Advanced preparations were never made to prevent that plunge nor were the correct movements taken to correct it...Those were huge mistakes that rest upon the shoulders of all involved...Everyone!!..
I doubt you will find anyone who disagrees with that...
When a plan was put into effect it was already late...I and "BR" speculated that was around "07" however we were corrected by Cable when he drew that line at the mid point of the "08" season with him as "IHC"....Both "BR" -n- myself have thus sense corrected our stance...It's the "Circle-o-Criers" who continue to attempt to put some 10 year label on it not us...
Now if we use Cable's declared time-line it is roughly the same as the time-line you want to give "KC"...Sense the "08" season...
Now I ask...Which team was in the worst shape...That's a hard one...No doubt we had further to climb but are also on a similar pace with them...Or is that an unreasonable observation for me to make with your "Red-n-White"...
Advancements are there...Progress is being made...Only a fool with adversely tinted lenses could miss seeing that...It may not be as fast as you desire or I desire but non the less it is in evidence....
Ya know at some point in life as a football fan one needs to exhibit a small amount of "Faith" in his football franchise...Otherwise...Why are you even on board???...
PantyRaider...Just To Enjoy The Bashin!!!!/_
Gary - you're like a bad attorney always telling his client why he CAN'T do something.
There have been plenty of WRs, including Bernard Berrian, TJ Hosh, Chris Chambers and others that the Raiders may have had access to.
Cable (and the Raiders actions) made it very clear they had no intention of acquiring a WR this year, or in recent years past. In hindsight, that seems poorly planned.
Nate -
I think you misunderstood my request. I was looking for reasons why we did NOT need a WR.
However, IMO, you and others overrate the need for a "tutor" to the Raiders young WR group. That's what coaches are for. Plus, DHB has worked one on one in private sessions with Nnamdi Asomugha. Are you implying that having a vet WR to "tutor" DHB would have been better?
"NYR"...
I have to question if you ever played organized sports...
When your on the field in practice or a game side by side with a player who is shoulders above you in ability it has an effect to push more from you...As you observe what he does it rubs off...If you want to play you need to match his performance...He will drive you to improve...
Working one on one with Nmamdi was a good thing but hardly the same effect...A "DB" can teach him what the "DB"s look for and how he is telegraphing his play...That's not teaching rout running or great "WR" technique...Nmandi has worked against the best but is not a "WR"...I mean...That would be like saying Moss could go play "CB"...Now who would believe that...But he has worked against and beaten the best "CB"s in the NFL....
The on field tutor doesn't necessarily take the "WR"s aside and teach them...But by example...That's how most players develop is by example...Thus a coach can only do so much...The player needs a model to push him beyond...
Like that Miami "WR" who patterned himself after Brown...Maybe he studied everything Timmy did and went out and tried to do it...
Like our past "QB" who said he was like Randal Cunningham...Well..On second thought..."JePurple" was too lazy to study!!!...
PantyRaider....You Still Have NOT Identified "WHO"!!!/_
Ok, PR, if you say so.
So who’s pushing Ford to be all he can be?
These guys are former college star athletes that have the talent and privilege to play in the NFL. This isn't day camp for wayward teens. You guys just want to make excuses why the Raiders don’t need to play like pros.
And D Bess patterning himself after Tim Brown in no way supports what you’re saying. Bess has probably never even met Tim Brown. How’s that fit into your “tutoring program”?
Finally, I'm not buying for a minute that working one on one with the best CB in football is any less productive than working with another WR. Sorry, but that's got no teeth.
"NYR"...
Got no teeth when you don't understand the damn game outside the TV...PS3/X-Box or "FF"...
Bess grew up local so no doubt watched what Timmy did from a players view as an athlete NOT a "FF" Pseudo "GM"...Timmy also visited many of the school football programs locally so what the hell makes you think they never met...Hell...I met him as a Booster Club" member when I worked security at the "93" Training Camp in Oxnard...
Not to mention Bess could study film and again from a player/athlete's perspective NOT Madden "10"...
Now what you see in Ford translates from natural talents...However...Have you seen anyone talking about what great routs the kid runs...Or his ability to gain separation against elite "CB"s at the NFL level...Obviously he still has room to improve before becoming a complete "WR" at the pro level...He is a rookie 4th rd pick still...Right!!!...
Your narrow perception of sports related technology is really quite amazing...I'm sure the Jets/Giants/Bills would allow you to attend a practice in your area...You should do that sometime just to see how players interact as they train...How one pushed another while learning from others as well....Might really turn some lights on for you...
PantyRaider...Can't Just Click It Up On Your Game-Controller -n- Buy More Speed!!!/_
"NYR"...
On second thought going to a pro caliber training camp might be way too advanced for you...
Check out one of your local "HS" football programs and go watch several practices...If that's too much for you than try the "JrHS" level...
You should take your boyfriend "COACH" along to help explain what's happening...Now that will confuse ya both!!!...
PantyRaider...I Would Hate To Be Responsible For Over Loading Your Psyche With Too Much Too Fast...
If we are going to talk about who we should've signed last year at WR, then we have to go back to the last 7. Our WR position has been dismal since Brown and Rice left.
But I will settle for 2006 to current. Remeber these would be above average.
WRs we could've pursued/signed in '06:
David Boston
Keyshawn Johnson
TO
Hines Ward
Reggie Wayne
'07:
Drew Bennett
Bobby Engram
Joe Horn
Eric Moulds
'08:
Marty Booker
Isaac Bruce
Troy Brown
Mushin Muhammad
'09:
Drew Bennett
Laveranues Coles
TO
Nate Washington
'10:
Mark Clayton
Laveranues Coles
T.J. Houshmandzadeh
Derrick Mason
Sinorice Moss
TO
'11:
Santonio Holmes
Steve Smith (NYG)
TO
Not much pickin at WR this next season.
PR -
Your discussion is conflicting, at best. First you're talking about the importance of an "on field tutor", then your suggesting Bess learned how to play like Tim Brown from watching him on TV.
The initial thought was that the Raiders needed (need) a veteran WR to help out this vastly inexperienced group. Not for the sake of tutoring (although that could have turned out to be a bonus) but for the sake of having a quality player at the position.
All this soapbox talk about visiting high schools and booster clubs is a bit off the point, don't you think?
Funny, you were extremely critical of Bess prior to the Dolphins game. Suddenly, he's the example of how to be a pro WR.
Your dialogue is about as consistent as the Raiders play.
RaiderNate75...
Now factor in the salary cap issues and who we would have had to give up during those past seasons....Nothing is free in this world and especially not in the NFL...
Only "10" being an un-caped yr did we have the free movement to do as we pleased as long as ownership was willing to spend themselves into the pit of darkness to do it...But that was one of the complements Al Davis has received of late is that he is not opening up his wallet and just letting the $$$$ fall where it may...Pearls before swine so to speak...
It's easy to go back a post names without the trail of $$$$ that would have followed them...
"NYR"...
Your so far off there is nothing pertinent to discussion...Your wrong plain -n- simple...You don't understand the game outside of your damn TV/Games/FF which is also plain -n- simple...Twisting what I posted won't relieve you of a single fact...Your wrong...Sadly Mistaken...Incorrect...Without Foundation...Scrupulousness Galore...
What was that sleeping sickness you accused "JustCrap" of having...Well that too...
Now go back and read again and prove I was critical of Bess...Prove that freakin damn shit...
I asked if our "DB"s were now so bad that we have to worry about a slow "UDFA" "WR" at 5'10" 190#s....Than as it turns out we had our own rookie "DB" Water McFadden covering the little bastard...Whoops!!!...Now who the hell saw that one coming???...
Not you for damn sure...
And by the way...He didn't look so damn slow to me but that's what your "Mediot" J-Mac posted about him...
PantyRaider...Delusional "FF" Pseudo "GM" Just Put His Franchise In Eternal Hack!!!/_
This just in:
Hugh Jackman would have been an actor and thus not available as an "OC"...
http://blog.movies.yahoo.com/blog/210-what-if-hugh-jackman-had-been-jack-sparrow
Now let'em figure that one out!!!
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There have been plenty of WRs, including Bernard Berrian,
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Gah... if he was so helpful why did the Vikings send a 4th rounder for Moss? He's a clear-out guy at best.
18 receptions 176 yrds, no TDs... on a team with no WRs and Farve?
Yikes... no thanks.
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TJ Hosh,
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I would have loved to pick him up, and for all anyone knows, maybe we tried... he went to the Ravens instead. I already said this.
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Chris Chambers and others that the Raiders may have had access to.
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Chambers?
13 receptions 122 yrds and a TD for a team with an actual QB... thats all you have???
I don't see the upgrade...
PR said: "[NYR] Your wrong...Sadly Mistaken...Incorrect...+Without Foundation...Scrupulousness Galore..."
So in your world, saying I'm wrong makes you right? Tough to argue with that logic.
In terms of J-Mac implying Bess is “slow,” his point was simply that Davis is more concerned with track speed than football speed, which is why guys like Bess (with football speed) don’t get a look from the Raiders. IMO, it’s a real shame.
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'10:
Mark Clayton
Laveranues Coles
T.J. Houshmandzadeh
Derrick Mason
Sinorice Moss
TO
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Of this list I coveted Mason but he resigned with the Ravens... once again, no surprise here.
CLayton is doing good with the Rams... maybe you would have a point there, but I don't recall the terms. How does anyone know we didn't try to sign him?
Coles and Moss are out of the league.
I dunno... Al is remiss in not going all out to sign Clayton... is that what you want to hear??
I don't see what else anyone can say about this situation.
Just a boatload of whining about a situation nearly completely out of Als control.
Shame on Jmac for continuing to fan this flame...
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In terms of J-Mac implying Bess is “slow,” his point was simply that Davis is more concerned with track speed than football speed, which is why guys like Bess (with football speed) don’t get a look from the Raiders. IMO, it’s a real shame.
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So is the point Al shoulda taken someone slower than Ford last year?
Gary - You can criticize all the FA WRs on the planet and it won’t change the fact that the Raiders provided zero indication over the past couple years that they were ever on the market for help at WR, through free agency or trade.
(I’m sure it’s a cone-of-silence thing. Right?)
The simple fact is they were hell-bent on drafting speedy WRs of the future, without real consideration of any short-term ramifications.
"So is the point Al shoulda taken someone slower than Ford last year?"
Try and put down reasonable discussion and this is the response.
No. The point is the Raiders sometimes place misguided emphasis on track speed as opposed to football acumen. Do you disagree with that?
DHB is a textbook example. Two years into the project and all we can conclude is he's fast.
NO...The point is with Miller at 5'9" 180#s acquired last season as "UDFA" -n- Ford at 5'10 180#s this season in the 4th rd that we should have gone all out to sign/draft another 5'10" 190# "WR" at all costs named Bess because all 32 teams who passed on him in the draft were wrong but only a damn "Mediot" and his shadow worshiper "NYR" knew that......
3 freakin years later...
Ya!!!...That's why until some damn "Mediot" digs up a name in retrospect that no one ever heard of who was never drafted and shoves it in your face as a mistake you "IAAF"ers immediately jump on the "AL Davis" Bashin-Wagon and start slammin down the fists...
Why Weren't We Informed!!!...
Well dumb asses prolley because you don't know anything beyond what is printed in that damn rag that your allegiance is pledged to!!!....
And Oh! By the way...Bess is listed as "PR" -n- back-up to Brandon on Miami's official depth chart...It's not like the guy was their #1 or they they went all out to get the little bastard to be...He was a freakin "PR" prospect that has developed into a go to "WR" in his 3rd NFL season...
Damn!!!...Shit happens...Get the fuck over it and move on...
And by the way...Both Miller -n- Ford were projected as "P-KR" specialists NOT #1 "WR"s...And in "08" when Bess came out we signed an "UDFA" "PR" "DB" named Miller...Freakin remember...He was also around 5'10 180#'s...
PantyRaider...Get freakin Real...This "BrainDead" Crap Is Just Too Much Total "BS"!!!/_
Interesting exchange from Cable's Q&A.
Q: Is Jacoby currently a starter?
Cable: Based on our health at that position, yes.
Q: So you expect him to be out there this week, or do you have to wait until the corpse wakes up and tells you what to do?
You think he/she means Al Davis?
"NYR"...
Shit posted like that could be expected form you...To bad you can't get past your hatred for the man who gave us the Raiders and just get down to following the team with some level of respect...
Ya really have to wonder how something like this happens when it seems these players got it made...Than he buys a gun from a team-mate and takes his own life...
Knee injury, gambling debt weighed on late Bronco McKinley
Denver Broncos wide receiver Kenny McKinley had a gambling problem and was deep in debt when he committed suicide Sept. 21,
Brandstater told investigators he had lent McKinley $65,000 and that the receiver owed $40,000 in casino markers in Las Vegas.
Days before his death, McKinley had been ordered to pay $3,000 per month in child support by a South Carolina court. He had told friends he was being threatened with a paternity suit by another woman who said she was pregnant with his baby, according to the sheriff's report.
Too much too fast for a 23 yr old to deal with...The knee puts him out for the season and everything else imploded...
Meanwhile all we had to deal with was a big dummy on "JePurple" Drank!!!...
And some think these kids come out of college all ready to deal with the NFL...Some yes...Many no...So mistakes are made by the players/agents/teams...
Who Could Know All This In Advance!!..
PantyRaider...The Ultimate "CrapShoot"!!!/_
My current Raiders WR Depth Chart:
#1 Murphy (4th round, 124th pick)
#2 Ford (4th round, 108th pick)
#3 JLH (3rd round, 99th pick)
#4 Miller (UDFA)
#5 DHB (1st round, 7th pick)
#6 Schillens (7th round, 226th pick)
Yes, I would give N. Miller more reps. than DHB. I believe N. Miller is a better route runner, more elusive, with better hands than DHB. He just hasn't been given the opportunity.
When I look at our WR corps, I don't care what round a guy was drafted or what school he came from or what system he learned in.
What is most important IMO is to construct a group that has a balance between proven performers and young guns/projects.
The fact that we are counting on 6 inexperienced players to make up our corps is negligent in my book.
"CJ"...
The 1st 2 on your list make some sense but "JLH" has done precisely what with all his opportunities...Miller also has produced where
/what to merit that position...
Murphy 28/435yds "TD"
Ford 16/320yds "TD"...
I would put a healthy "DHB" in there at #3 who has at least demonstrated the ability to make big plays when the opportunity has presented itself...He was out this week due to injury and most of November for the same issue...
If he is healthy he should get the reps over a player who has not done anything...
"JLH" 10/103yds...In 4 damn seasons he has 57/779yds -n- 4 "TD"s and your impressed enough to make him the #3...On what freakin basis...
Nick Miller 3/40yds...In his 2 seasons that's freakin it...NO other stats except the 2 fumbles...Hell if he was proving himself like Ford has he would have been in there...
"DHB" 19/266yds "TD"...28/390yds -w- 2 "TD"s in his 2 seasons and you think "JLH"-n-Miller are better...By what imaginary computation do you come up with that one....Hell if "DHB" stayed on his present path he would out perform "JLH" in 4 freakin seasons....14yd ave to boot -n- 4/51yds rushing....He's bigger/stronger/faster/younger....
NO...I just don't believe it...I do believe you have a personal "HateTrip" with the boy for what ever reason but as to giving an impartial judgment...NO....I don't believe you...
PantyRaider...Hate Al's Pick Right!!!/_
Gotta smack Mr Davis up along side the head with something so it's now that "09" #1 pick sense you don't have the "07" #1 to to hold up as an example every week of the season and the "08" #1 is not available as a target anymore!!!....
Hell I was under the impression we were saying NO to scholarships...Sounds to me like Miller is being pimped as deserving a scholarship....What ever happened to getting reps when you earn them...Now without earning a damn thing he should automatically move up the board...Sounds like favoritism to me...
Hell...Here is another prime example of it on this board...
And why would Nick Miller get benched for fielding ONE punt inside the 5? Can't his coach just tell him not to do that? He's clearly better than JLH at eluding the initial hit on punt returns.
Ah!...Golly gee!!...Ya think that in the last 2 seasons of training camp someone on "ST" would have told him NOT to field a punt at the 5yd line...See now that's a poster not understanding the damn game outside of his PS2/X-Box or "FF" -n- TV....Give him a scholarship cause he's on my "FF" team...
Hell!...Maybe that what all this big ta-doo is all about...
"RT"-n-"CJ" do you own a "FF" team...Pseudo "GM"s...Now that would explain allot!!!...
PantyRaider...Scholarships Are Acceptable For "FF" Players!!!/_
I'm laughin but if you guys are the Pseudo "GM"s of "FF" teams I bet you lose big....
Bottom dwellers of the league!!!...
What do you call it...NFL...
Nerf-Fluff-Lads
What no come-backs...Oh! come'on this is just getting interesting...
So now let me get this straight...
All last off-season you couldn't make "JePurple" complete a pass in Madden "10" and now this off-season with Madden "11" you wont be able to get "JustCrap" to complete a pass either...Is that what's upsetting you so damn bad...
Bet that just makes you want to throw your PS3 at the freakin wall doesn't it...
PantyRaider...Smashin da "X-Box" Man!!!!/_
But the "WR"s can run Baby!!!...
Maybe that's why "RT" is always crying about the "D" flying around hitting nothing...
Got's the fastest players in "CyberSpace" but they can't tackle for shit!!!...
PR - If there was a stat for snaps to catch ratio, I would bet my last dollar that Miller has outproduced DHB. My point is that in the limited times I've seen Miller (exhibition season, a few regular season snaps, and yes, his heart and moves as a PR), he has shown me more than enough to warrant a proportional number of increased snaps over DHB.
BTW PR,
Miller is no different than any of our WRs in the sense that if he is given opportunities and doesn't produce, that is on him.
At least JLH is more experienced and has produced 1 season where he was a playmaker/producer. Yes, he hasn't done much since the Weddle drive by. Nevertheless, I will take JLH's craftiness, experience, and hands over DHB any day of the week.
Miller is a big unknown ... just like Ford was up until the Chiefs game where he was given a chance (by default).
The only way to find out is to give it a shot. DHB has been given his shot and was "O for November". Would it kill the Raiders to give Miller 15-20 snaps in 1 game?
One could easily argue that Ski and Campbell found an instant connection and rapport with Ford but do NOT have confidence in DHB.
A perfect example came in the MIA game when DHB was in single coverage but Ski went to the other side of the field to Reece.
QBs go to guys who they find the most reliable. How can you continue to pimp DHB when he has produced absolutely nothing for an entire month.
Keep pimping DHB. Personally, I would like to see more of JLH or Miller. To each his own. I've got nothing against DHB but I want to see the Raiders have the best chance to win. Winning trumps your delusional thinking any day of the week.
No, I don't play fantasy football.
No, I didn't play H.S. football.
No, I don't play Madden video games.
Yes, I know what DHB has produced in 27 games.
Yes, the NFL is a results driven league based on performance.
And your point is?
Keep shucking and jiving PR. Why on earth you continue to pimp DHB is beyond any sense of reason.
"CJ"...
Nice honest reply...I like that...
For the record I don't pimp "DHB" and never wanted him...But now he's a Raider and I'm kool with that...
I agreed that Ford -n- Murphy have earned the #1 -n- #2 position and said if healthy "DHB" deserves to be in their with them...#3...
I just question the rest who have not produced squat...And if Miller was proving himself in practice he would have gotten his shot...That's what Ford has done...
As for Nov "DHB" has been slowed by injury...Yes the "QB"s know that...
PantyRaider...Merit Based Says "DHB" Has earned Consideration!!!/_
PR - don't get your panties in a bunch over the Q&A I posted. I don't condone it. If that’s a jab at Al Davis it is disrespectful beyond belief. I’m surprised Herrera wasn't there to flex his paper muscles and escort that person out of the PC.
And how does the fact that any of us have or have not played competitive sports have any bearing on why the Raiders can't figure out how to be competitive?
Suddenly you're more qualified to judge WRs because you played pop warner football and have a booster club membership card? Don't you realize how ridiculous that is?
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The fact that we are counting on 6 inexperienced players to make up our corps is negligent in my book.
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So what WR should we have picked up to negate this negligence?
I see a lot of smoke and no fire on this subject.
From the media
"Since Philip Rivers became the starting quarterback, San Diego is 19-0 in regular-season games after Dec. 1."
Let's hope that's the kind of stat that Jinxes are made for.
FYI, Chargers won 11 straight in their run for the division last year.
"So what WR should we have picked up to negate this negligence?"
Gary, we've been having this same discussion for literally years, during which the Raiders WR corp was understaffed, inexperienced, injured and/or spending time in purgatory.
As I said before, it doesn't matter what veteran WR was or wasn't available, the Raiders have demonstrated zero interest in any WR outside their speedy draft picks. That, in itself, is neglect. Remember, man cannot live on bread alone.
Well this pretty much sums it up:
If Oakland can’t establish a running game early with Darren McFadden, this one might get ugly quickly.
"NYR"...
we've been having this same discussion for literally years,
Where the hell did you dig that one up...What "Years" are you talking about bashing the damn "WR"s...That's your "Crier-Circles" new one the after others got put to rest...
This is the order of your perpetual complaints:
#1 "GM"...
#2 "HC"....
#3 "DT"....
#4 "DE"...
#5 "LOT"..
#6 "OC"...
#7 "DC"...
#8 "LB"...
#9 "K-PR"...
#10 this season:
"GM"-"LOT"-"C"-"RG"-"ROT"-"WR"-"QB"-"CB"
"LOT" has been addressed...
Damn you do a job of twisting everything now don't you...NO consistency what so ever or legitimacy to your perpetual damn crying...
And for the record...I don't believe you...You posted that damn "Mediot" slam and directed it at the "OldMan" in total disdain and disrespect as usual....
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or do you have to wait until the corpse wakes up and tells you what to do?
You think he/she means Al Davis?
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There was absolutely NO reason to post such total crap except to bash Mr Davis...You made NO attempt to say it was bad you just posted it as:
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Interesting exchange from Cable's Q&A.
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Go lie to someone else I know why an "IAAF"er like you posts this damn shit...You think it's humorous...That wasn't in the local "OakTown" rag....You dug that shit up somewhere else or slanted it yourself...
This is what was Reported here:
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Q: Is Jacoby currently a starter?
Cable: Based on our health at that position, yes.
Q: So you expect him to be out there this week?
Cable: Just depends on the health at that position.
Q: Is Darrius still struggling . . .
Cable: Actually he looked good today. Practiced the whole practice, looked very good, caught a lot of balls, a lot of tough balls today. It’s good to see him back.
Q: There was an issue vs. Miami with his health?
Cable: A little bit. He was tight and sore before the game.
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PantyRaider....There Was NO Such Slant!!!/_
Week #13 Match-Up:
Raiders -v- Chargers "O"-vs-"D"
"O"-#17..............."D"-#1
Pass-#27..............#2
Rush-#5...............#3
Scoring-#15...........#10 Tie
"OL"-#30..............Sacks-#1
......................Int's-#10 Tie
"D"-#13..............."O"-#1
Pass-#5...............#2
Rush-#28..............#15
Scoring-#19...........#3
Sacks-#2 Tie.........."OL"-#21
Int's-#30 Tie
Well last time I posted this would be a loss and we pulled it out...Again we are totally out-matched...Our only hope is to find a way to run and find a way to complete the pass...Prolley to the "RB"s -n- "TE" with some down field to the "WR"s but mainly on slants of comebacks...Quick hitting if we can get "JustCrap" to pull the trigger....
The only other advantage we may have is if we get the pressure on on "D"...Otherwise they will be very difficult to contain...
Projection:
Raiders 5-n-7
Chargers 7-n-5
Meanwhile "KC" -vs- Denver...Little Hope
"KC" 8-n-4
Denver 3-n-9
PantyRaider...Sad But Obvious!!!/_
One other hope this week: "ST"s....
They have been "SD"s Achilles Heel -n- the Raiders strength of late...
Do we have another special "ST"s performance left...Blocked Punt...
"TD" Return....If so that could be enough to change the tide...
Here's the plan:
1st time we force a punt give Ford the shot at the return...Make sure they are aware he is back there...Make the kicker think about kicking away from him or getting the coverage team down field quickly...
Leave him on an island...If it ain't good let it bounce...
Now bring that heat and go all out for the block...
If we can get one the next time will be disruptive to them too...Again show the all out blitz with Ford on an island...But maybe pull out of it and go for the return to get good field position...
This is the area of their weakness and of their concern...We need to fuck with their heads about it and create the "TO"s to take this game away....
PantyRaider....Could There Be Hope!!!/_
New QB on site, Gradkowski absent
The Raiders did not disclose the name of the player, wearing No. 13. The best early guess, based on photos, is former 49er and Cincinnati Bengal J.T. O’Sullivan.
WoW!...Does this mean "Ski" went to the "IR"....Could this new face complete a pass on time on target???
Who is this mister man wearing #13...Hope it's lucky...
PantyRaider....Too Little Too Late For This Week No Doubt!!!/_
The fight of the week on tape:
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-films-sound-efx/09000d5d81c908d5/Sound-FX-The-fight-before-the-fight?module=HP_cp2
Too bad we didn't have Seymour wired-up before his "Smack-Down" of "Little-Ben" Cartwright....
Is the NFL glorifying this crap or what...The new "Hockey Puck" Squad!!!...
If it is J.T. O’Sullivan wearing #13 he was with "SD" until week 7 when he was released...Are the Raiders looking for an opportunity to pick his brain a little...Maybe get a little leg up by letting our "D" know the audibles and such....
His best yr was in "SF" with a rate of 73 for 8 games played...8 "TD"s -w- 11 Int's...
Question is can he move and can he complete a pass on time on target...
What does this say for Kile Boller...Not much hope I suppose...
PantyRaider..."Black-Cloud" Please Go Away!!!/_
PR said: "Damn you [NYR] do a job of twisting everything now don't you...NO consistency what so ever or legitimacy to your perpetual damn crying..."
Oh, contraire. I believe my opinions and posts here have been very consistent, and only change with the information that's presented to me.
The difference (ok, one difference) between you and me is that while I may be critical of the team's shortcomings, you are regularly critical of the people here simply expressing their opinions.
Instead of slamming everybody, maybe you could form some basis of your own opinions which seem to differ with many regulars on this board.
That would certainly be an improvement over calling everyone a liar because you happen to disagree with them.
If you can stomach watching "49"ers -n- "NE" here he is at "QB" "08"....
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d80b61e0d/WK-5-J-T-O-Sullivan-highlights
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d80bc02c1/WK-7-J-T-O-Sullivan-highlights
This must be why Nerds play "FF"...
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1758032/fantasy_sports_girl_pickups_drops_week_3/
PantyRaider...NO Doubt!!!/_
As for the Q&A, I was genuinely shocked by the statement. That's why (and the only reason) I posted it. In the few years I've been here at RT, I have never dissed the man in that way, and don’t expect others to, especially professional media. That’s totally uncalled for and, as I said, unprofessional. I remain a fan of Al Davis, despite that I disagree with the way he runs the team. Whether you chose to believe that or not really makes no difference to me. It’s a fact.
"NYR" you freakin Nerd!!!...
That's your MO and I reply to it double fold....You got's NO game and show it every damn time you try to take an issue and redirect it instead of just owning it like a man would...
Now where the damn hell did this bull shit come from...You posted it...Where's the damn URL showing your NOT the author...Put the fuck up or shut the fuck up...
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Q: Is Jacoby currently a starter?
Cable: Based on our health at that position, yes.
Q: So you expect him to be out there this week, or do you have to wait until the corpse wakes up and tells you what to do?
You think he/she means Al Davis?
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You posted this damn shit now you own the damn shit...It's your own damn vomit unless you have a URL proving it came from some legitimate "Mediot" source...
It ain't what's posted on any of the local boards here in Cali...You made that damn disgusting shit up to make it look like they were slamming Mr Davis but it's you doing it as usual...
PantyRaider...NO More Of Your Damn Dirty Disgusting Lies!!!!/_
It's Now Official:
12/02/2010 Placed QB Bruce Gradkowski on injured reserve, signed QB J.T. O'Sullivan.
Hay!!!..."NYR"...It's "Man-Up" Time...
Where the hell is that URL....
I know damn well your there...Hiding!!..
You wrote that damn shit and I know it....
BUSTED!!!!
Ok, something very strange happened.
The Q&A I posted this morning was verbatim from J-Mac’s blog. I went back to it and found the content in question had been removed. I then searched the web for another transcript and found the same language as now posted on J-Mac’s site.
I assure you, this is not a hoax, at least not by me.
The perpetrator is either the author of the Q&A section I read this morning or it was removed (A) because it was distasteful and classless, or (B) to protect the media individual who made the comment.
I would like to email J-Mac and ask, but I am unable to find his email address (which is no surprise considering all the nuts he would hear from, today me being one).
I have no answer. If you want to believe I made it up, I have no proof that I didn’t. However, I assure you I did not. As I said, I posted it verbatim, in pure shock that it was said. I have stood behind every post I've ever made on this site. I have no problem accepting what is fact and acknowledging when I'm wrong.
However, this is pure mystery. Perhaps it will surface again in some fashion. Hard to believe that could get put out there then removed without a trace.
"NYR"...
I'm an ass at times no doubt but...If an effort is at least made there is some merit to a man...SO...Wait until his next live blog and send it as a question...I may also...
I realize strange things do happen on the web...
PantyRaider....Lost In "CyberSpace"!!!!/_
The fact that we are counting on 6 inexperienced players to make up our corps is negligent in my book.
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So what WR should we have picked up to negate this negligence?
I see a lot of smoke and no fire on this subject.
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Gary - Let's be 2 men who have an honest and open debate and discussion.
Let me start off by asking a few point blank questions to see where you sit on the WR "issue":
#1 - Do you think DHB deserves to receive more snaps than Ford?
#2 - Do you think the Raiders should use all means (draft, trade, Free Agency) to address the WR Corps shortcomings?
#3 - How important to you place the need to have a proven, veteran WR on our roster?
Your honest and unfiltered answers are very much appreciated.
No, I don't want to hear "There are no good WRs available..."
"CJ"...Can I Answer Too!!!...
Can I Can I Can I....
OK!...As you well know I will anyway...
"WR"s available...Yes they are...
Are you will to go for them...
That's a great question mark???..
#1...I'm pimping Plexico "TheGun" Burris...
He is the most complete "WR" in the market as soon as he's released from the joint....He did his job when on the field...It was his off-field issues that got in the way...I can deal with that...
#2...Any released vet "WR" with health/talent and controllable baggage...Note they will all have some sort of "Baggage Claim" or they simply would not be available...
#3...Trades that don't sink the ship...
#4...Further development of our own young talent...
#5...Possible draft pick if NFL ready coming out...NOT a project...
As far as importance I would rate that second to the issues at "QB" -n- "OL"..."CB" is also an important issue in need of attention....
Re: "DHB"
The man has earned his reps if healthy...
Now that seams to be an ignored issue /reality on this board...We are banged up at the specialty positions and that hurts our performance all around...
"DHB"/Zack/Murphy/"D-Mac"/"Ski" have all missed time and may not yet be at 100% while Chaz has never made it on the field..."Ski" has now gone to the "IR"...Cable said "DHB" has not been 100% when questioned this week but is looking good now in practice..."JC" has also been battling a knee injury...
Ford/Reece/Bush have proven themselves in the heat of battle and deserve their reps as well...
Unproven are "JLH"-n-Miller...
As far as who get's what why don't we leave that to the coaches to figure out...Prolley a balance would be most effective or substitutions until it's known who has the hot hands/legs this week....
The "QB"s knew "DHB" was having trouble going for the ball so no doubt that affected their decisions as to who to go to in the game...If he is now healthy he gives us another valuable weapon...If the "D" think he is the forgotten man while looking hard at Ford than "DHB" could gain an advantage in coverage...
PantyRaider....Honest Unfiltered Answers!!!/_
looks like sparkplug bruce has played his last game as a raider...
hope we can find a QB (in the near future) and not keep picking up these retreads...like deer in the headlights campbell...
"CJ"...
I answered your questions and raise you one...
Why would we ignore/neglect a weapon when we now have so few available/healthy???...
Down With "DHB" Neglect!!!...
PantyRaider...A Receiver Is A terrible Thing To Waste!!!/_
Scorpio...
I'm officially pimping Vince "Done-With-Fish" Young -or- Michael "TheDawg" Vick at "QB"
.........-w-..........
Plexico "TheGun" Burris as #1 "WR"
Who are your picks...
RE the JMAC blog post on the Cable Q&A, there's absolutely no way someone would ask that classless question at a presser and get an answer.
Maybe NYR got it from this Raider forum, where poster "Frauddog" took the original question and obviously embellished it with the "corpse" verbiage.....
http://goo.gl/EU4eh
PR,
While I'm not a huge fan of Jason Campbell, I wouldn't mind giving JC a longer look.
Many times, a QB will be a lot stronger in his 2nd year in a system.
Examples: Matt Cassel, & Michael Vick.
Not so good the first year, much better in the 2nd.
I think the Raiders will get more mileage sticking with JC one more year, then over paying for Vick, or the moody Vince Young.
So hopefully, JC, more comfortable in the offense next year. With a beefed up 0-line, and better WR weapons to utilize.
"X"...
No Doubt!!!...
That crap had no way of getting into a local rag no matter how sick the damn "Mediot"s get...
Raider00....
Now your scaring me...
Crimany!!!...How long did we suffer with "JePurple" -n- his "Drank" for the same reasoning...
Not to mention Andrew Walters and the list goes on and on....
If a vet "QB" shows himself this damn bad it's hardly worthwhile to stick it out...
PantyRaider....Send'em Back to The "ScrapHeap"!!!!/_
Really...I'm afraid to suffer that long....Threw another season is like forever!!!...
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Many times, a QB will be a lot stronger in his 2nd year in a system.
Examples: Matt Cassel, & Michael Vick.
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Gannon also.
I dunno... is his inability to avoid the blitz a product of thinking too much? Or does he just not have any instincts for the game? I'm willing to keep him around for another year... especially with little other options.
JMAC joked about giving up our entire draft for Luck... and then said he was only half-joking.
I would be tempted.
With the exception of JaMoney, the franchise QBs coming out lately have changed their franchises pretty quickly.
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Gary - Let's be 2 men who have an honest and open debate and discussion.
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I hope I've always been open to this... fair enough.
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Let me start off by asking a few point blank questions to see where you sit on the WR "issue":
#1 - Do you think DHB deserves to receive more snaps than Ford?
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Fuck no... the TD pass Ford caught last week was miles ahead of anything DHB has done. My position all along with him is VERY simple. I am unwilling to throw him under the bus yet, especially after seeing the metamorphosis of McF in his third year. And I hated the McF pick worse than the DHB pick.
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#2 - Do you think the Raiders should use all means (draft, trade, Free Agency) to address the WR Corps shortcomings?
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Right now? I thought you were bitching about past problems? Who the fuck were we supposed to pick up in free agency so the Raiders weren't so negligent on the position? I think its a fair question...
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#3 - How important to you place the need to have a proven, veteran WR on our roster?
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Well below having a top notch QB.
Like by a hundred fold. And once again... WHO WERE WE SUPPOSED TO PICK UP???
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Your honest and unfiltered answers are very much appreciated.
No, I don't want to hear "There are no good WRs available..."
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Well thats a hell of a qualifier.
WHat do you want me to say?
If there are no top notch WRs even available, what sense does it make to claim the success of this team depends on a top notch veteran WR??
Not to mention the hand wringing and blustering about the WR position still amazes me... I can at least respect H's position that the o-line is the priority... but JFC... Jerry Rice and Bilitnikoff in their prime on this team wouldn't make that much difference if we have QB's that can't complete the simplest of passes... and an o-line that seems to be regressing again.
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If a vet "QB" shows himself this damn bad it's hardly worthwhile to stick it out...
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Not if there isn't any better alternatives, and sorry... Vick is going to be franchised and Young is as bad if not WORSE than Campbell because he is such a head case.
As much as I've disliked Campbells performance on the field this year, he has been an epitome of class in his actions... and that deserves credit.
Hell... maybe he can beat SD TWICE this year!!
raider00 - i was at a raider image store in hayward this eve and got into a discussion with the clerk behind the desk about this very topic.
i mentioned the deer in the headlights thing. he defended campbell by saying "then how could i explain his winning 4 games?" i countered by saying he had a strong running game, defense and ford to bail his ass out. he said "TRUE". i continued by saying that this guy doesn't have IT. IT being a leader. someone who can put the team on his back and carry them to a victory.
take a look at the qb's in this league, especially the young guys ie: flacco, ryan and even the kid in st louis. they have IT!
i'm not saying we need a brady or manning superstar at the qb position. we just need a freakin' leader not a deer. HEY! maybe we have a new nickname for campbell - bambi! ;o) we need someone who can manage a game, complete some dang passes and move the chains and move himself when the pressure is on and when the running game is off.
panty -
vince young? heck no. the guy's a head case. vick? ehhh, hated him pre-prison, don't know what woke him up post prison but do you think al's gonna be able to afford him? are we talking about a one year wonder? somewhere out there is our "diamond in the rough".
gary you're right. he HAS been a model citizen. i too will give him that much. unfortunately his actions on the field stand out more...
X -
Nice detective work. Thanks. Those same two questions originally appeared on J-Mac's blog and, apparently, they were quickly removed from the content.
Bizarre!
It must be bogus, because the responses don't suit the questions.
Campbell has had the worst lows I can remember by any QB, yet he also is responsible for a brief window of record-breaking success for the Raiders.
So while I'm not happy about the Raiders' QB situation, I have to admit I am more than a little curious to see which Jason Campbell shows up to play Sunday, and the rest of the season.
The courtship has to be over. It's time for players like Campbell, DHB and others to put all their talents to work, or else move to the back of the bus.
I can't believe the Raiders, after eight years of losing and dwindling economics (with an owner at age 81), have the luxury of time.
They have saddly gone from a team that never rebuilt (only reloaded) to a team that remains in perpetual rebuilding.
These definitely aren't the Raiders we grew up admiring.
Scorpio,
Ideally, I would love for the Raiders to have a young, franchise, QB like, Ryan, or Flacco, growing into a star.
But we don't have this. And odds are, after aprils draft, wes still won't.
They are very hard to come by.
Unfortunetly, the Raiders luck was such, that when they got the 1st overall pick, the worst QB(Jfatso), since Ryan Leaf was sitting there waiting for them.
The choice now is to have some patience with JC. Go for some continuity, and keep building up the offense around him.
Or, tear it all down again, bring in yet another QB from the outside, and start all over again.
I vote for patience, and continuity.
It's not as if JC has shown us nothing. He was the QB for the domitating 3 game win streak.
He has some talent. Maybe he just needs some time, and some more weapons around him.
Unfortunately, the Raiders pulled the trigger on drafting a QB in the wrong year. If you look at QBs drafted in years prior to and after Russell you'll see the Raiders could have done so much better. Maybe that's just a matter of bad timing.
Apparently, there is a plug-n-play QB (Andrew Luck from Stanford) in next year's draft, but the Raiders don't even have a #1 pick, let alone the high pick it will probably take to get this kid.
Timing is everything, well, almost.
Yup.. look at the top QB picks lately:
10: Bradford
09: Stafford, Sanchez, Freeman
08: Ryan, Flacco
07: JaMoney, Quinn
Six, count em SIX franchise QBs and two bums.
If only Al had waited a year!
The top QB's in the drafts before 07' were more of a crap shoot... Cutler and Rodgers were taken, but there were also bums like Smith, Young, Leinert, and gulp.. Campbell.
Of course to cherry pick... 04' had Manning, Rivers, and Pussyberger all available...
One thing I am going to be watching is if Marshall calls the defense like he did in beating SD the last game, or if he relies on his vanilla base 4 defense that allowed Rivers to pick us apart for three quarters at will.
If I were him I'd be the new "Blitsburg"... blitz Rivers and keep blitzing him even if its not working.
The majority base-4 vanilla defense Sunday is a 40 point beat-down, IMO. Rivers has ALWAYS destroyed us when we didn't blitz.
Our secondary can't cover anyone anyway.. just as well us em to blitz...
Scorpio...
"Bambi" is great...But I will use "Bambi Crap" if he continues to stink...
That whole "Stupid Deer In Headlights" look on his face is what really gets me...He just looks dumb and than he plays like it...
It's the "Dork Bambi" that never made it into the cartoons...Well...Except one that was shown back at the end of the "60"s in Drive-Inns...
They advertised 3 movies for the price of one so we all piled in the cars/vans and went to look...One was named...
"Bambi Meets Godzilla"
Freakin stupid!!!...It showed a sweet little Bambi eating while butterflies were all around and than "Squash!!!...Godzilla's big ass foot comes down and splats his ass...Than there was a long list of credit and "The End"...
I need to look that shit up again and see if it's on the web...Too freakin funny...
That's the "Dork Bambi" we got's playing "QB"...
The "Blitz"....Squash!!!!...
I don't know if I can get behind the whole wait-n-see shit with this guy...If he doesn't show something now he won't latter either in my estimation...He's a vet not a rookie...He's past his developmental stages...If the game is still too fast for his ass it ain't never going to slow down...
PantyRaider...Faithless In That "Dork Bambi"!!!!/_
If "VY" is a headcase it's a great example of a player being able to overcome his disadvantages....Just look at Tenn without him...Totally sick!!!...He's what made it work just like Vick is making it work in Philly...
Gary...
Good point...It was that "SD" game in the 4th that Marshall brought out that "5 man front Big Nickle" -w- 3 "S"s and took control of the game...It surprised them and they had no answer at all....We were healthy back when but that really worked...
Now they have had time to gameplan for it so may have some quick routs to beat it the way Miami did last Sunday but we won't know that until we try....
Don't remember but maybe Henderson was in there so we had 3 "DT"s -w- 2 "DE"s on the line..."DeathRo" at "MLB" and our starting "CB"s -w- the 3 "S"s....
Nice Scheme!!!...
Last week we blitzed but didn't get the pressure on time...They made quick reads and got the ball out in a hurry...
PantyRaider...Should Be An Interesting Game If We Show Up To Play!!!!/_
This does not look the same as when I saw it back when...It was in color...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-wUdetAAlY
This one looked more like Bambi but it's not the same as was shown in "69"...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPFxBzlFe94&NR=1
Than than again...We were all just a little high back when so maybe that's why it was in such beautiful colors!!!...
PantyRaider...Lost My Mind In "69"!!!/_
Like in the movie Capt Jack Sparrow playing with his brain and looses it...
"Don't anyone move....I lost my brain"!!!
Union to players: Save pay, NFL lockout’s coming
Owners Say:
“We hope this does not mean the union has abandoned negotiating in favor of decertifying and litigating,” he said. “We are ready to meet and negotiate anytime and anywhere. But it takes sustained effort and shared commitment to reach an agreement. One side can’t do it alone.”
Meanwhile for the fans it's just another slap in the face from both sides...
What Can Be Done:
Perhaps a nation wide boycott of the last game of the year in an attempt to demonstrate solidarity on behalf of the fans that we won't be back if you sell us out like this again...
The Reality:
Fans can't even agree when were for the same team so how the hell do we get something going between 32 opposing NFL fan bases...
In Conclusion:
Our 1st rd pick don't count for shit so we got over on "NE" anyway...
Maybe we can get to see some of the talent that never gets a chance in the NFL and find a suitable NFL caliber "QB"-n-"WR" off the "ScrapHeap" during the "Replacement Series" after "LockOut"....
PantyRaider...How! Hum!!...Enjoy The Rest Of The Season Like It's Our Last!!!/_
Raiders Win By Unexpected/Unprecedented Annihilation Of Chargers
They simply implode after we score quickly on a “KO” Return and subsequent blocked punt when our “D” forces 3-n-out…
On the punt we have Ford back so their “P” worries about punting away from him and getting the coverage team down quickly but they don’t cover the all-out effort to block that punt while Ford is on an island…Raiders up 14-0 real early in the 1st….
We than take total control of this game with an aggressive pass rush using the “5 Man Front Big Nickle” with 3 "DT"s n 3 “S”s n “DeathRo” in the middle who has his biggest game of the yr….
“DHB” shocks everyone as he becomes the forgotten man when they try to double little Jacoby Ford…With 2 speedsters on the right side the "DB"s fall behind and the bombs are flying….Meanwhile Chaz returns to team with Murphy on the left in the Raiders new “Spread O”….
Now the Raiders unveil their “WildCat” w “D-Mac”-n-Bush split behind “C” in the “Spread O”…Options galore as we run sweeps/Reverses -n- power running with the “2 Headed Monster” @ “QB”….The “Option Pitch” between the 2 backs has no answer as we rumble down field for the score…
Raiders 51 Chargers 17 as they finally score late….
PantyRaider....Well….I man can dream can’t he!!!!/_
Defiantly hope we can turn it around this week in SD.....Would be great to beat them at their own house for once and give us a little more hope for MAYBE just MAYBE being able to get back to that front spot....OUr bye week threw off our whole momentum going into Pittsburgh and miami
CaliGirl....
Welcome...And please ignore us if we get a little "Out-a-Whack" with each other at times...Sometimes we fail to separate the emotion from the game -n- take it out on each other....
I suppose that's just being the Fans (Fanatics) that we are...
And Ah!...You prolley don't want to pay much attention to my wacky written convulsionisms if your studying journalism...It will just earn allot of red marks on your papers like it got me back when...
Prof's got's NO "Sense-o-Humor" at all....I told them it was just an extension of the creative writing they were pimping but they still wouldn't have it...Guess it's OK to be creative long as you fit into some ridged format but don't ever try to escape it or generate some new "FreeStyle" flow that ain't already sanctioned by the hierarchy of American education...
Guess they forgot's that it was some creative "Wha-Ko" that invented their shit to begin with some ages ago...
They be full of Fluff!!!...
So any-hoo!!!...Lets all hope our Raiders don't play like they be full of "Fluff" tomorrow...
PantyRaider....GOOOoooo Raiders!!!/_
Oh! -n- "CalliGirl" for the record:
If ya become a damn "Mediot" please remember to leave the personal negativity out of the reporting...
Just tell it like it is without all the unnecessary stupidity that earns them that "Media-Idiot" terminology...
Ya! Know!...Like that damn stupid
Jim "da Dumb" Rome and his "Cloney" followers...
PantyRaider...Luv To Bash Them "Mediot"s!!!/_
Hmm. People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
Anyway, a Raider win today will be nothing less than a huge upset. In the last several weeks, these two teams have been going in polar opposite directions.
The only hope we have is to put a jinx against SD. To wit, Rivers is 18-0 in regular season games after Dec 1, and last year the Chargers won 11 straight to finish the season. Plus, the Raiders are 0-8 in SD since 2002 (and the SB loss to TB).
Those stats have "jinx" written all over them.
I mean, come on, this is a team led by Norv Turner for crying out loud. How is it that so many players and coaches who fail with the Raiders manage to somehow have success outside of the Raiders?
For Turner, it comes down to one man. Philip Rivers. For the Raiders to win, Rivers will need to spend the day running for his life.
I honestly don't expect the Raiders offense to do much. They have proven to be anemic against good defenses (Chargers ranked #1). And you can't correct an absentee running game by simply stating as much. If it was that simple, they would have run the ball the last two weeks. Instead, they were manhandled at the LOS.
More likely, the Raiders will need to create opportunity on defense, much the way they did late in their first game against SD.
Unfortunately, the odds don’t look good. Last I heard, Raiders have a 7% chance of victory. I’m not sure how that’s determined, but it sounds about right to me.
It’s Gameday!
GO RAIDERS!
Hmm. People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
"NYR"...
Is your glass house in good repair...Beware a huge rock may be headed your way...We will see the next opportunity I have to speak with "J-Mac" via his live blog....
On-Going NOT finished by a damn long shot!!!...
Chargers....
"WR" Vincent Jackson is listed as "Doubtful" so hopefully we don't have to face him today...
"TE" Antonio Gates is "Questionable" with a bad toe so here's hoping he's out early...
"RB" Mike Tolbert has a bad hand so maybe he will drop that football if he plays much as "Questionable"...
"WR" Patrick Crayton is "OUT"...
Raiders...
"WR" Chaz Schilens is now elevated to "Questionable"....Maybe he will take the field at least as a decoy to draw coverage away...
Meanwhile these players are listed as "Questionable" also...
"DeathRo"/Nmamdi/Tyvon/Zack/Seymour....
I would expect them all to play in this one...Too important not to I suspect....
PantyRaider....GOOOOooooo Raiders!!!/_
PR - "On-Going NOT finished by a damn long shot!!!..."
What will J-Mac's live blog reveal? As X proved, those were not my words.
http://goo.gl/EU4eh
Well it don't look good for the Raiders in Vegas:
"Squaws" are favored by 8 1/2 over the "MuleHead"s at home...
"lightningBug"s have a 13 pt advantage against the Raiders....
If that holds true we be out of it after 4:00pm Sunday...
"KC" @ 8-n-4
"SD" @ 7-n-5
Raiders @ 5-n-7
Denver @ 3-n-9
4 weeks left and 3 games behind is not mathematically out but for all practical purposes it's out for the count and talking draft picks that don't matter sense the "2011" season will be a waste...
PantyRaider...So How's It Looken For "2012"!!!!/_
Oh! Ya! I forgot's...That's the year all Cali falls off into the seas so nothing good coming than either....
Last Hope Last Chance!!!!....
"NYR"....
Those words were NOT posted in "J-Mac"s blog either...
You did just like I said you did but lied to try to cover it up...You dug that shit up from somewhere else and tried to post it as from a damn "Mediot" to support you personal disdain for the "GodFather" Mr Davis...
PERIOD!!!!....
"J-Mac" will throw your damn dumb ass under the bus when he see's what you did to profane his column...No writer likes that shit...No matter how sick some damn "Mediot" becomes he would NOT do the shit you posted they did...
NOT even "CessPool" would stoop so low...
But you DID!!!!....
#100...
"CheckMate"
PR - What can I say? You are a tool.
If you read the link that X provided, it stated the "funny" Q&A was posted by J-Mac.
Here's the source as stated:
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Wednesday, December 1st, 2010 at 4:21 pm in Oakland Raiders.
As I stated, this is where I cut it out, and the questionable content was later removed from J-Mac's blog for what should be obvious reason.
This blogger cut the entire article before it could be altered.
If you don't believe me, than you must believe I am influential enough to have power over the entire Internet and what other people write. Either way, it is you that is wrong... like usual.
As I stated, this is where I cut it out, and the questionable content was later removed from J-Mac's blog for what should be obvious reason.
This blogger cut the entire article before it could be altered.
NO "NYR" NO Movable "RubberWall"s can save you this time...
You posted you copied it right from "J-Mac"s blog and we will see what "J-Mac" has to say about that when questioned and given this entire thread to view...
I "Copy-Pasted" every word into file so it won't even do any good to "DELETE"...It all goes directly to "J-Mac" to decide a verdict...
"Did He Or Didn't He"....
If NOT....
IT'S ALL ON YOU!!!!.....
I wager you get thrown under the bus by your favorite "Mediot" who you profaned with this lying disgusting crap...
PantyRaider...Perpetrator Traitor To "J-Mac"s -n- Raider!!!/_
NYR....you have to ask yourself, is it really worth WASTING your time with this guy? It's all he lives for...the argument. Don't feed the troll and he will crawl under another rock.
The guy is nothing but a stain, a waste. I know you are much bigger in the human being sense, life is too short to WASTE it on people(?) like him.
JONES
My dream scenario for a HUGE upset victory by the Raiders:
Start fast & furious with a combination of special teams plays, SD turnovers, and creative big offensive plays.
Get up by a 2 score lead early and establish a punishing running attack with both Bush & McFadden & Reece.
Continue to put the foot to the metal on D by employing some exotic blitz schemes that provides hits, hurries, sacks on Rivers and causes additional turnovers.
No doubt about it ... the deck is clearly stacked against the Raiders ... our backs are firmly pressed up against the wall ... it is time to fight like hell and PLAY TO WIN. Above all, the team needs to truly "Cut it loose!"
Game Day, Baby! Enjoy your Sunday RT Crew. CJ :D
NO "NYR" NO Movable "RubberWall"s can save you this time...
WASTE and the "crew" all they live for...the argument.
Jmac got hammered buy his boss and removed it like NYR said but WASTE wants to argue. WASTE is a cancer...
I know TRUTH when I see it.
Jmac wont lie
JONES
I am the KING of copy and paste, my life is so poor that I have to spend 24-7 on Raider sites looking to pick arguments because it gives me a RUSH, just like METH. I don't care if I make no sense and can't even spell, it's good for making others pissed off and that's what I live for....
.....just when I though I knew me??? ....PANTYWASTE
I forgot, I am in my 60"s and I screw 15 yeer olds and BRAGG abot it. I am what u call a REEL MAN, I troll the intrnet to try and inflade my eego, cause my self asteam is so low from being an insane tule. I wil alwes win cause you cant beet insanitie
....you though i was crazi....PANTYSTANE
PANTYSTANE....
WoW!...Sounds like you forgot to take you "ProZakie" today...Such depression...And we haven't even lost yet...Hell the "MuleHead"s are even making a game out of it with the "Squaw"s but your crying wasted in a supper depression already....
"JudeAss" the LIAR....
No fuckin way "J-Mac" posted that stupid damn shit on his blog...You and that scum from NY are both getting thrown under the BUS....
PantyRaider....Oh! "J-Mac" Ya See What These Bitches Said About You!!!!/_
TRUTH -vs- "Mediot"...Gotta luv that!!!...
Gameday thread is up! Keep it classy, folks.
TRUTH -vs- "Mediot"...Gotta luv that!!!...
WASTE you don't know anything. Jmac is tired of biting the lip and let it out...Al Davis is the reason the Raiders don't win. His way or the highway is finished. Al's D is so obsolete it won't work in the NFL today...
Jmac got his ass reamed by the boss but don't count him OUT. He will slam Al down like the old CORPS he is...
JONES
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