Another New Era in Oakland
We know that Hue Jackson is a better offensive coordinator than Tom Cable. But is he a better head coach? We're about to find out.
Jackson's order is tall. If he fails to win as many games in his first full season (which may or may not be this year) than Cable did in 2010, then he will come under serious fire. Even if he matches Cable's win total, he'll still feel some heat.
So what Jackson needs to do is nothing less than something the Raiders haven't done in eight consecutive seasons: notch a winning record over a 16-game season.
If you think that's an unfair take, then tell it to Al Davis, who fired Cable for not winning enough in 2010. Mr. Davis got rid of Cable because he felt that the Raiders underperformed their potential, and he won't lower the bar anytime soon.
While most fans were celebrating the Raiders' best season since 2002, Davis was fuming. Cable was the most successful Raiders head coach since Jon Gruden, in terms of tenure at the position and seasonal win totals. It was enough to get him canned.
Honeymoon periods are very short in Oakland. Jackson needs to hit the ground running, as Mr. Davis's axe is never dull.
Jackson's order is tall. If he fails to win as many games in his first full season (which may or may not be this year) than Cable did in 2010, then he will come under serious fire. Even if he matches Cable's win total, he'll still feel some heat.
So what Jackson needs to do is nothing less than something the Raiders haven't done in eight consecutive seasons: notch a winning record over a 16-game season.
If you think that's an unfair take, then tell it to Al Davis, who fired Cable for not winning enough in 2010. Mr. Davis got rid of Cable because he felt that the Raiders underperformed their potential, and he won't lower the bar anytime soon.
While most fans were celebrating the Raiders' best season since 2002, Davis was fuming. Cable was the most successful Raiders head coach since Jon Gruden, in terms of tenure at the position and seasonal win totals. It was enough to get him canned.
Honeymoon periods are very short in Oakland. Jackson needs to hit the ground running, as Mr. Davis's axe is never dull.
posted by Raider Take at 6:53 AM
143 Comments:
"RT"...
I agree...That bar should never have been lowered...His 1st season Al said "NO" when asked if they would play in the "SB"....There was obviously no "NO" intended for his 2nd season...
Here is my only problem with this whole matter...
Why Wait!!!...
If this garbage that is now being reported was already in the works early on than I wish a move had been made at the Bye...Than maybe...Just maybe Hue could have sparked some life into the team and we would have finished better than that 3-n-4 skid...
I don't fault Mr Davis for doing what is right in a business sense by letting the contract expire prior to making such a move but sometimes what's right for business may not also be right for the team...
Had he pulled that trigger few of us would have understood but the players as well as the fans would now have a very firm idea of what this team will be under Hue as "HC"..
PantyRaider...Now It's Wait-n-See Again In OakTown!!!/_
Forgotten point:
Not sure when the $20K began to be deducted from Cable's pay check but it was evidently stretched over 6 pay periods...Reportedly that is a bi-weekly period...That than should constitute at least 10 weeks of the season plus his final check...
The Bye was 8 weeks before the season ended...So prolley week #6 right after that "SF" game of inept stupidity...So did that awful play piss off Al enough to provoke the salary hits???
If so Cable knew by some early time of the season that he was in hot water...That Al was NOT happy...
Just seems to me the man lost momentum at the bye and it was very difficult to get back and the teams suffered as a result....
PantyRaider...No Doubt We Will Know More Later!!!/_
Was this Kiffin Part II, then? Why keep a coach with whom your relationship is irreparably damaged, instead of acting swiftly and decisively to move on?
Well That's my only question "RT" and I'm asking it with very little actual knowledge...Just speculation and the crap that has been being reported so far...
We never would have understood that move at the time now would we and prolley would have been on the "OldMan"s ass for being senile...
My only reason for wishing it had happened is a pure selfish one...We would have had an opertinity to see Hue on the job and have a better feel for what to expect now and maybe we could have made it to the "PO"s as we should have done...
PantyRaider....It Was The Proper Business Decision!!!/_
I hear you, I believe that the best business is winning. Just WIN, baby!
Drive by number two...
RT, you said earlier that you perceived no interview process - again. I'm not sure I understand your complaint here. Davis has never made the interview process public, but he clearly must have them. The team has also said that not all interviews are conducted in person but often over the phone. That seems reasonable for a man who has likely already met most of the coaches in the league. And Davis is known for conducting business over his home phone well into the wee hours of the morning.
But here it seems obvious that Davis knew his choice at the time he fired Cable, and any interviews were purely a matter of due diligence.
I'm also very comfortable with Jackson as head coach. I think he has a way of sparking energy in the players.
Panty, Davis only fires coaches mid-season for cause. He's only done it twice (Shanahan and Kiffin). He's only fired two HCs at season's end before his option came up, and that was Bugel and Shell II. In almost every case, Davis contracts for two years with an option for two more. Callahan did not have his option picked up, same with Turner, and now the same with Cable. Davis does not tend to fire coaches merely because he doesn't agree with them. He'll let them do what they want, as long as what they want works.
But Jackson will surely be tested. He'll likely have to field a team of scab players at some point during the next year. That where Flores really proved he could coach - winning a playoff birth with scabs.
"So what Jackson needs to do is nothing less than something the Raiders haven't done in eight consecutive seasons: notch a winning record over a 16-game season."
RT, by most accounts here, a winning record isn't good enough to keep a coach. Many here demanded that "Cable failed to take a playoff team to the playoffs" and for that he deserved to be fired.
So let's not lower the bar for Jackson. It's playoffs or bust.
For me, I'm done sugarcoating the Raiders' dysfunction. It’s not the integrity of any single Raiders’ HC that should be in question. It’s Al Davis’ ability (or lack thereof) to identify a qualified HC and allow that person to coach the team... for a reasonable period of time.
Nine head coaches in 17 seasons speaks for itself (less than 2 full seasons per HC). That’s a bar that has fallen far below any single coach. That falls squarely on the organization.
Too many folks here seem blinded by this, when really they’ve been blind-sided as fans by the Raiders’ blatant inability to find competent coaching. They’re only defense is they must be too numb after all the years of losing to realize what’s going on.
Oh yeah, welcome Hue Jackson, the new HC of the Raiders. Now turn your head and cough!
Blanda, if you believe that we've really shaken the candidate tree prior to hiring Kiffin, Cable and Jackson, go right ahead.
When Sean Payton, Ken Whisenhunt and others were interviewed back in the day, we heard about it.
More likely, it's what you said: Davis's mind was already made up. Which is not my definition of due diligence.
To say that Davis "never" does this or that, is to not give the man credit. But if you are correct that he will never do this or that, then it supports the nagging suspicion that winning ONE WAY, not the BEST WAY, is the priority, even if it means losing.
"Davis does not tend to fire coaches merely because he doesn't agree with them. He'll let them do what they want, as long as what they want works."
SAY what? Here we go, here comes the "crew", full bore. The spinning and the remaking of history will hit new depths as they remake the image of the Great Al Davis. Just like winning isn't the top priority in Alameda, winning isn't the top priority with the "crew". The defending and remaking of Al Davis moves into wine is their top purpose. They don't care about winning or how the org is run, it's all about the worship of their god. Word of advice, there is only ONE God and it isn't Al Davis.
JONES
raider/al davis press conference on now...
al davis looks old and decrepit. although his body is failing him, his mind still seems sharp. he's still dreaming.
al, talk about bringing in a GM!
jackson calling davis "COACH DAVIS"
uh oh.. phil barber brought up tom cable. asking why he wasn't the man...
davis answers by saying cable wasn't a play caller otherwise he'd be here as well as "other reasons". but earlier jackson says HE will call plays exclusively.
jacksomn asked if he will bring in a WR vet. says he's happy with existing group.
here come the reasons why cable fired. davis says he didn't think he could do it. said cable supported in lockeroom to a certain point but that jackson will be just as supported.
more coming
davis not happy with not reaching playoffs.
ostler pointed out davis made QB decisions. he denied it. said he allowed coaches to make decision and he supported it. was concerned about grad's injury history. wanted continuity and promoted once again campbell.
defending decision to trade for seymour and draft nnamdi.
davis asked if nnamdi will come back. he says we'll see. depends on cba.
jackson promising to be aggressive, physical and tough on D.
davis said cable knew he was through...
kawakami asking about 6 HC's in 8 years... davis mentioning he hired david shaw (current stanford HC) and harbaugh for a couple years. says he didn't give them enough players to win..
sorry if i mis-quoted them. my memory is slower than my typing. doing this for the benefit of those who don't have TV access to the PC..
jackson saying he learned a lot from gruden.
why does jackson keep bringing up DHB as one of those "explosive players"?
davis talking about speed/ford. gotta have it.
jackson kissing al's ass. greatness of al davis' blah, blah.
davis talking about continuity and jackson's leadership. he being feisty like gruden.
jerry mac asking if any other HC candidates were considered. asking if raiders can compete financially n league. davis answers he doesn't have as much resources but team can compete.
other HC candidates: said made comparisons but everything pointed to guy on his right: jackson.
davis doesn't want to name names. davis says 2 former players wanted to be interviewed. davis he says didn't have time.
jackson still talking about wanting greatness from each player.
jackson says he is loyal, caring of players. family atmosphere...
purdy asking about 18 game schedule/cba. jackson/cba: how to practice, mini camps, OTA's, shorten pre-season games. most impt thing players best interest.
davis - no question ownership wants 18 game schedule. injury factor overplayed. wants a NEW stadium preferably in the same location.
2011 draft question: davis won't answer. depends on what happens w/ cba. cap? no cap? everything revolves around CBA.
davis "might" consider a GM. davis says a "prominent" name worked for him for 8 months that no-one knew about. mentioned the 8 college and pro scouts. he says "we can handle it" assuming he's talking about not having a GM.
penalty question: jackson: we must address it, starting w/ coaches.
must be more efficient on both sides/ball. expects much more improvement from D.
to davis: what makes this day better than past? says getting "bright, young football team" to perform to its capability.
kawakami - is waufle a candidate for DC? jackson says maybe but will look to put together the best staff.
kawakami asking about difficulties with cable. jackson being PC and saying they meshed well together, respected tom cable. denied tension/rift. says no rift, both wanted to win.
last question: need to re-recruit players? jackson says no need to recruit. says players excited. need to play better, need to build a "bully", says players excited.
davis says he wants to satisfy what they (press) want. he's starting to read something...
this could be big...
Keeep it up, Scorpio, this is awesome. My feed ended with the opening statements, you're my lifeline to the news right now!
davis mentioning hansen incident... spouse accusing HC of abuse. @ that time people in bay area wanted davis to take action. davis said doesn't condone those actions and will do something if it warranted.
davis decided @ the time nothing would be done until he found out more about hansen. received letter in june from lawyer of woman who appeared on espn, copy of lawsuit he was preparing against raiders.
that lawsuit created a lot of turmoil. cable was warned that he might not get paid because of these allegations of abuse. letter says cable hit 2nd wife while he was coach of raiders.
davis saying HC should communicate with him re: accusations. says he was never told but knew about allegations except from espn. hansen is suing raiders. raider lawyers spending lots of time defending team against allegations.
davis saying cable talked about focus to team. yet he brings in "friends"? hookers? don't know what he's referring to here...
trying take...
al davis has taken over PC
killion asking about allegations. why not earlier action? davis says hansen case in arbitration.
question re: cable suit: he never voiced opposition re: $20k fines.
davis being very careful about not mentioning too much re: cases
davis thought "we couldv'e made playoffs". messed up miami game and others.
reaction from davis re: cable's comments re: not losers anymore. davis did NOT like those statements. didn't want to be .500. not the goal.
ostler: investigation re: cable not thorough? davis says investigation was thorough.
davis said earlier re: jabustus: said we tried to brig him along but he had many personal probs.
davis talking about lawsuit with woman. one suit (with lutz) settled)
re: russell: is there a problem with team and background checks? davis says "we're very bad" that was that.
Sounds like Cable was Kiffin part two, hiring the wrong guy, sticking too long with a broken relationship, delaying the inevitable, and delaying the opportunity to move forward. This is how time and seasons just slip by without a winning record.
follow-up re: stadium: joint venture with niners? status? commisioner wants them to go in w/ them. davis vague, didn't really answer.
PC going on hour and a half now...
re: miami game: upset w/ qb switch? NO, upset w/ Defense!
gutierez re: lechler's comments: lechler previously mentioned he won't come back but davis gave him richest contract for a punter. didn't really address this.
jerry mac: hue diplomatic when mentioning cable. was there problem between them? davis: no. not looking for trouble. idea is to be great.
stadium question again: is davis spearheading this? no. but wants stadium in same location. if cannot be done, need to use "other avenues". need to compete with other teams and must have new stadium. need the fans to come out. need to do better to support team.
how do we move past troubles? ie: lawsuits etc. davis throws it back and says YOU (press) brought it up. we've already moved past it.
to hue: are you concerned about what are you getting yourself into? NO, just having opportinuty to be great.
jerry mac: re: labor issue. last time davis helped with labor situation. davis would like to stay out of it. previously had upshaw but management council heading up and will see where they are.
davis mentioned losing friends like blanda and tatum. tough.
mcgowan: in camp camaraderie: jackson, impt because its about one team: raiders.
lots of silence. that's it. PC over.
if anyone else wants to chime in here or if i missed something let us all know.
PC 1 hour 38 minutes.
in the aftermath it looks like the $20k pay doc's were justified.
ratto: davis explained why cable couldn't be fired right away. davis says cable is a wife/coach beater. that davis spent a lot of time rehashing past.
says it took away from the fact that this day was for jackson. not right timing. why????
ratto saying that jackson became back page news. host saying publicly to tom cable that he is welcome to call in and defend himself.
ratto: no question we havent heard the last of this. no question al davis wanted everyone to know cable is a bad human being who got raiders sued. al big on him getting his version out there on a day his new coach is being presented.
ratto: davis speaks so rarely. wanted to steer clear of talk of cba (possible fine), stadium but made it a point to slam cable, blew up his reputation so that he might not work in the nfl again.
ratto thinks waufle "might" be next DC.
ok gotta go.
RT,
I think your take is fair. Make the playoffs. Should have been done this year.
Also, i don't think free agent situation is so dire.
2 key guys to keep are Nnamdi, and Gallery. The rest can be replaced.
Only thing i a little worried of, is Jackson calling all the plays.
We've seen this be too much for other HC's in the past.
WOW! It is extremely painful to watch Al Davis. He looks awful. It is terrifying to realize he is running everything.
Roy
anyone notice the band aid on his left forehead (probably fell), and the way his right hand has deteriorated?
mark? where are you? better get in here asap! actually he's not a spring chicken himself. mark's gotta be in his late 50's early 60's.
Anyone find a link to vid or transcript?
-moshbucket
Bama7
Agree with RT. Nothing less than playoffs. Anything short is just another failed season. Proves nothing. I get the vibe, however, that Hue is the next coach that just does exactly what Al says. It's a recipe for failure. But, Al will never be able to hire an established winner. Who of worth would take the job?... you're not even assured of getting paid what you're owed. Nice precedent you've set Al. Business genius! Ha! Not saying Cable's situation wasn't different.. he seems to have anger issues. I mean come on, you can't go all Goodfellas on a guy in a break room... and hitting a woman when you're a 300 lb man, that's pathetic. Face it, with Al around we're stuck hiring guys that are just tickled to have an nfl opportunity. They hit the lottery, do what the boss says and exit a few years later. Same old song and dance.
Can HOF induction be rescinded if your body of work starts to look more bad than good?
63-86... A
87-2010... F
It's about 50-50 now.
moshbucket - this is the best one for now...
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/raiders/index
I note this. It was after Jackson's arrival that the Raiders had a great off season. While the team only went 8-8, and not to the playoffs, Tom Cable was still the HC and not Jackson.
Davis said that Jackson was indeed brought in as a replacement HC. He couldn't fire Cable because the team was being sued regarding Cable and the team was still conducting its own investigations. I haven't seen the transcript, but according to JMac, he said that Cable would have been gone at the end of the season even if they made the playoffs.
In spite of Jackson already having the job, Davis interviewed three candidates.
Two former players with the team also asked for an interview, but were denied the opportunity. I'm pretty sure one was Winston Moss, I'm wondering if the other was Rich Gannon.
And I seem to have gotten all of this information (along with an even greater expectation that there will be no football in 2011) in spite of the fact that Al Davis spent the entire time shamelessly defaming Tom Cable.
One question... Did Davis bring Cable up, or was he asked?
Just asking.
steve mosqowitcz an attorney for comcast sportsnet says the raiders may have a problem with docking cable 20k from his pay.
Scorpio...
Thanks for the decent and legitimate reporting job...Nice work...Your hired!!!...
Than there was the usual stupidity that follows everything Raider...Like NO decent coach would want the job...Who the hell is Gilbride and Al Saunders and don't forget last season Hue was the hot commodity and other teams were also looking at him after the work he did with Joe Flacko...
Than there was that crap about abolishing Al's "HOF" membership!!!...
What Absolute Morons!!!
So this "PC" had a 2 fold purpose...
#1...Introduce the new "HC"...
#2...Shed some light on why the last one is lo longer here...
That seems like very related material to me so I don't know why anyone would question it as being inappropriate...
PantyRaider...Will Now Look For The Instant Reply!!!!/_
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/18/al-davis-takes-aim-at-tom-cable/
Small pieces of the Video...
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Screw that last one!!...It ain't worth looking at...
Tom Cable Ripped By Al Davis And Hired By Pete Carroll, All In A Day
It's just a typical Tuesday for new Seattle Seahawks offensive line coach Tom Cable.
Well no sense crying for the guy he already has a new job right back where he should be..."OL"...
So was there a "Hooker" comment and was that Cable's girl friend who was running around with him at the away games and later sued the Raiders for being assaulted by our than "HC"...
WoW!!!...Only in Cali could an employer get sued because of what an employee does in a maternity situation...
Now all you workers and employers are informed of the possibility...
PantyRaider...Cali SUCKS!!!!/_
The whole thing is just bizarre.
Didn't the Hansen and domestic violence incidents happen, like, during the 2009 season, before Cable turned in a five-win season, and long before he was retained for 2010?
Yet we stick with him for another campaign because...why, exactly?
Well that's enough of the "Jerry Springer" life for me...On to football and what happens on the field...
PantyRaider...NOT My Idea Of Worthy Entertainment Nor Reasonable Material To Consider!!!/_
Except for this side humor!!!...
So ironically it's the one who pimped quality "LunchBox" type players that was himself a "Cancerous Malcontent" the likes of which was NOT wanted on our roster....
Now That's Funny...
Hell!...Give me Michael "TheDog" Vick -n- Plaxaco "GunDumb" Burris over that "BoneHead" any day!!!!....
all FYI, the press conference will be shown again in its entirety tonight @ 10pm on comcast sports net bay area.
Because he was under contract and investigations were on going...
"RT"...I don't know how it's applied to the Raiders and contract labor but in Cali if your an employee and your in trouble your employer can't fire you if you ask for help and are in treatment...
Drug abuse and spousal abuse come under that for sure...And than the company may be liable for Voch Rehab and other benefits if that employee pimps his condition as the result of job related stress...
That's for real Bro!!!...I seen it with me own eyes back in the 90's while working at Nassco Shipyard in "SD"...When lay-off time came the punks started using that shit to stay on the job and Nassco couldn't do a thing about it even when they knew damn well it was boags...
Hell one idiot named Miron even went so far as to phone in on a help hot line crying he was going to kill himself because of his foreman...Later he said he was afraid he would kill his foreman...They had to send him threw school to retrain and all sorts of crap for that and being a freakin druggie while he stayed on the payroll and later drew comp...
PantyRaider...Cali Is Stupid!!!/_
here is kawakami's transcript of the PC:
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2011/01/18/al-davis-part-1-on-gestalt-jason-campbell-kim-newton-and-hue-jackson/
lots of opinions in the local papers.
You just fire the guy for notching five wins and for starting DHB too much. No one or no legal situation can stop you from doing that.
RT: "Mr. Davis got rid of Cable because he felt that the Raiders underperformed their potential, and he won't lower the bar anytime soon."
As it turns out, Davis got rid of Cable for incidents that happened 2 years ago involving Cable (Hansen, spousal/girlfriend abuse x3), litigation, investigations, etc.
Quick Question to the RT posters:
Why was Cable retained for 2010? You can't tell me that Davis didn't have more than enough ammo. to show Cable the door before 2010 season, save himself $2.5M.
Bizarre. Makes no sense at all.
panty, davis was referring to a woman named ms. lutz who was filing a complaint against the raiders:
"Now, one of the things revealed by Ms. Lutz was too much for me. And that was whether, I don’t know if it’s true, we’re going to find out but Tom was asked about it and refused to answer it. He brought her on trips on the road when the team’s playing on the road, he’s the head coach and this is the guy who’s talking about focus, we’ve got a job to do, we’ve got a game to play, we’ve got to win, and there flying in friends so they can be with him the night before the game. All of this stuff goes a long way against my wishes, against my way of living, against my life and against the Raider way and I just wasn’t going to take it anymore."
Scorpio...
Thanks Bro!!...
Too Funny...
"CJ"...
Yours is prolley a legal question and needs someone in the know to answer...I'm not...I only know there is some real stupid shit that comes down in Cali and that Al is careful about getting himself in critical situations that he can't win or what will cost him lots of $$$$ in the end...
Al has a very good team of attorneys from what I understand who keep him well informed what course he can take...So he hired Tom's replacement as "OC" and promoted him when the time was right...That's as far as I know at this point...
Maybe he was afraid of getting his jaw broke!!!...
PantyRaider...Owner Abuse!!!/_
Now the picture becomes clear...
The night before the game Tommy has his "Slave/Master Slut" spank him to get him up!!...NO...To get him ANGRY!!! before the game...He got the idea from Henderson who likes to have his face slapped...NOT HIS ASS!!!...
Than in the heat of all that Excitement???...Tommy get's out of control and "BITCH SLAPPED" his Bitch into______________!!!
Well no need to go on with that but you prolley get the picture...
Angry she sues his BOSS???...
Now that's some very sick shit!!!
PantyRaider...How The Hell Did Jerry Springer Get On The Roster!!!/_
In other NFL news...
"McDamnMules" lands with the Rams as "OC"...Now he will be "McDamnLambs"...
Singletary becomes a "HornHead" at "LB" coach...
Ravens promote Pagano to "DC" so he won't be on Hue's list...
Tommy "Slap My Ass" Cable becomes "OL" coach with "SeasChicken"s...
Damn...Only one of the 4 was not in trouble on some other team this season so how the hell do these people keep getting new jobs in the NFL...
PantyRaider...And They Want To Bad Mouth The Players Who Get In Trouble!!!/_
BAZAAR!!!
One last point of humor!!..
Everyone on this board needs to take note...
You may think you know something but in the end you knew nothing at all...Now you may think you know something but it's only what picture has been painted to you as it's presented...So in reality you still know nothing at all...
The Raiders' "Cone-o-Silence" is almost as confusing as our federal government...
State too for that matter!!!...
PantyRaider...Smoke-n-Mirrors!!!/_
I was impressed with what Hue Jackson did in Baltimore and said from day 1 it was a great move by Al to bring him into the organization. Moreover, some of us knew that Hue was brought in to eventually take over the HC job. The bottom line is that Cable failed in all of his duties, both as an offensive line coach and as an offensive coordinator. It was clear that Al had stripped most of his authority this season and that Hue was given a lot of power. Word from came was that Hue was not only challenging offensive players, he was challenging the defense as well.
Look, Al kept Cable to get his money's worth and that's that. I contend that Cable is not a very bright guy, didn't know how to stroke Al's ego without sounding like a buffoon, was unprofessional in his behavior internally and took a lot of kudos for work done by assistant coaches. Franky. t his rhetoric and moral authority didn't carry much weight after his thin-skinned physical attack on a Raider employee.
It was so damn refreshing to hear Hue speak today. Finally, a coach who actually has a head on his shoulders and seems to understand what it takes to work with Al's micromanaging and OCD tendencies. Dude was pretty much spot-on perfect in how he laid out his game.
I even thought Al took some responsibility for poor choices he's made and seemed a bit less reluctant to view the NFL through the lens of today rather than the past. The structural organization issues are still huge in my mind, particularly that Al doesn't seem to be able to assess draft prospects all that well. But he's made a few good moves in the midst of chaos. I still believe a GM is necessary for the team to reach the upper echelon of NFL teams, but all things considered, I have higher expectations going into next season than this one. I knew that Cable was a disaster after his first season here, and I think we should feel VERY fortunate that a coach of Jackson's caliber was willing to be our HC. Whatever you want to say about the guy, he doubled our offensive output this season; I thought Al was spot-on in his analysis of what made the team play slightly better this season.
No time for whining. Yeah, I know Al has issues with coaches, but I think we may have found a Gruden-level coach in Hue. It's all about IQ, and Hue has it in spades. Cable just wasn't all that bright. Sorry, but the truth will set you free.
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BTW, I still believe Al has been a destructive force over the last 20 plus years; but occasionally he does hit upon something. I think Hue has certain coaching intangibles that will lead him to success. More importantly, he has A+ communication skills and show promise in his ability to motivate players. The organizational issues remain, but we finally seem to have a real leader in our midst. Just hope Al doesn't get jealous of any success he has.
"BR"...
Your no doubt correct on what Al Davis usually does but in this case could he have followed the same procedure as Denver when their "HC" was detrimental to the team by inciting fines and bad publicity for "SpyGate II"...Could he have terminated Cable as "HC" at the bye and named Hus as "IHC" without ramifications...
Seems to me based upon the law suit for Hanson's Jaw and the alleged domestic violence and subsequent out of court settlement of one of those issues that the Raiders would have had justifiable cause to terminate...
In other states teams have taken action...Colorado....Minnesota....
Cali is very strange for sure but in your opinion what could have been done...
PantyRaider...No Way To White Wash It!!!/_
why does jackson keep bringing up DHB as one of those "explosive players"?
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That was worrisome, I admit. But I believe he's just playing his proper political role with Al. Note that Al did not mention DHB in his praise of young receivers. I believe expectations for DHB will be lowered next season and he will no longer be a starter. But Hue has to let that happen naturally in camp. The best thing I heard from Al is that he seems no longer interested in giving players chance after chance in the face of failure. This is Al finally admitting that he can't reform or make greatness out of the lackluster. That stunned me. Also interesting is how fast Al moved on announcing Hue as HC of the Raiders; he could have waited it out a bit and saved a few bucks in the process, but it seemed like he cared this time what message he sent to Raider fans and players alike. Or maybe I'm reading too much into it. But Al seemed a little more reflective this time around, even though the bravado was still in full effect.
At this point, all I can say is "embrace the chaos!" In the midst of the absurd, there is some form of symmetry to be found.
Fuck Tom Cable, his phoniness and stupidity. I personally thought Kiffin, even with all his theatrics, was more promising. But that's the past.
AvantGrape...
It's rather obvious at this point that Tommy boy was none too bright...But in my opinion neither was the decision to keep Tom threw 17 weeks of the season and allow him to fester a power struggle that may have brought our team to it's knees...
The evidence is he was active in the locker room getting player support for himself which may have translated as against Hue or the organization...That type of cancerous damage is very difficult to heal...
Hue's agent said Tom was "Under Cutting" Hue...Was it with the players or in some other fashion...
Players said they were being shielded by Tom from the internal strife in the front office but the reality may be that they were being told lies about what was really happening and turned against their employer -n- staff....
It seems to me that we had a situation of being somewhat vindictive on both sides...
Tom leaked that we would be surprised to know what he was being expected to do...Some others have posted that Tom would win either way because other coaches would now think twice about coming here...I think this was "Damage Control" today...
Either way I can't help but feel there should have been a better way...
PantyRaider...But We Really Know Nothing!!!/_
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AvantGrape...
Now my boy "DHB" has taken allot of abuse so now that you brought it up explain this....
Week #2...
Murphy 6/91yds
"DHB" 6/80yds
Week #6
"DHB" 3/19yds -n- leading "WR"
Week #8
"DHB" 5/105yds -n- leading "WR"
Week #16
"DHB" 4/40ys -n- leading "WR"
Than there were weeks on end where he was not thrown to at all and games he missed for some mysterious injury according to Tom...Also in the preseason -n- camp that whole "Resting" thing...
If he could perform at a high level in these games than why couldn't he also have performed well in others had he been given the opportunity...
Now lay that out for me...What was stopping him besides the diminished service opportunities...
PantyRaider...When A Player Shows He Has It He Has It....It Should Be There The Next Day And The Day After!!!/_
Hey Panty. Absolutely bro. I can't disagree. This has always been one of my issues with Al: he gets caught up in the game of both dollars & cents and control, when he often would have better served his interests by cutting his losses.
That said, apparently Hue is pretty popular with a lot of the team, and I believe the others will come around. I'm in no way making light of the structural issues (Al's iron fist) that plague this organization or that some players are fed up with all the chaos. But I think we may have gotten lucky this time and landed a persuasive voice.
I agree with you by the way that Hue was a hot commodity; so I have to give Al credit for thinking ahead this time, even if he didn't go about handling Cable in the perfect way. As far as the organization's reputation... winning will cure all I believe. I think Hue might be bringing us something that we haven't had here in a while: a combination of leadership, humility and intelligence. It's still a shot in the dark, but I'm not usually the optimistic sort when it comes to the Raiders, but I think we've come upon the best-case scenario in this whole mess and I'm excited to see what stamp Hue can put on the team.
DHB? My analysis is simple. He's got some of the poorest hands I've ever seen on an NFL receiver, he hasn't shown much progress in his route-running and his speed is not all that impressive when he's in pads. I went to two games this season and I didn't see any respect for him out there, which only makes the job harder for other receivers on the team. Perhaps he can be a situational receiver, but the fact is that you can't rely on him to consistently catch balls even when he gets open. On top of it all, the kid seems nice and tries hard, but I don't sense he has a lot going on upstairs. That's my take, and I'm sticking with it.
Well I have a much different perspective so on that one we will just disagree...
We both saw how bad "JC" was at throwing the ball behind (Late) and under throwing (Late) his targets...Not to mention several times in the dirt or 5yds to the wrong shoulder...As a result all our "WR"s were very inconsistent....That was not just a "DHB" thing...
Hell even little Jacoby Ford diapered for entire games back to back...
PantyRaider...If You Show It You Have It!!!/_
I have to say I am either a complete sucker for what I saw from Hue Jackson's PC or we are in for a wonderful glorious ride with him at the helm. When I watched Hue's press conference the first things that ran through my mind are;
(1) He is a lot like Gruden in terms of vibe, energy, passion, and charisma. His communication skills are quite extraordinary.
(2) Hue has fully embraced the unique and difficult environment in Oakland with no misgivings whatsoever. He is either very naive or the type of guy relishes the opportunity when all the cards are suppose to be stacked against him.
(3) Hue is without a doubt the most positive, confident, self-assured HC we have had since Gruden. It doesn't seem to be an artificial bravado but the real deal.
(4) He understands that if he has any chance of being successful at being the HC in Oakland that he has to;
(a) preach high expectations or die on his own sword.
(b) give Davis public respect w/o reservations, hesitation, and in such a way that he is acknowledging the challenges BUT not making excuses for anything less than striving for the brass ring. Yes, this also means kissing the ring, Davis' ass, and whatever he can get his lips on. If this is the game that he has to play to survive and strive, so be it.
Lastly, the twitters and quotes from players seems to be universally behind and supportive of this promotion. Guys like Campbell (IMO, the most important relationship on the team), Nnamdi, Miller, goes a long ways towards stability, continuity, and trying to get to the next rung on the competitive ladder ... playoffs 2011 (or 2012 with a lockout).
All things considered, I feel a lot better about this team going into 2011 than I did about 2010. This is especially true considering the nucleus of the 2010 draftees plus other young players making up the core group.
Well "CJ" that's a nice positive post...
I do share much of what you said but with some reservations...Namely due to what I saw as very inconsistent at the very worst times on that football field...
Now how much of that rests on Hue shoulders and how much was on Cable i just don't know but that's all that makes me uneasy at this point...
We definitely had the talent to win and should have made the "PO"s...That is for certain in my mind...
PantyRaider..."PO"s I Minimum Expectation But "PO" Wins Are Desired!!!/_
I will take exception with one point though...
Yes, this also means kissing the ring, Davis' ass, and whatever he can get his lips on. If this is the game that he has to play to survive and strive, so be it.
Al Davis is a very seasoned veteran of virtually every aspect of this game....I doubt that any superficial acting is going to play out well with him..."V"s is what talks and that's what is expected...Deliver and you live...Fail and you die...
Al wants a thinking man NOT a "Kiss Ass"...
PantyRaider...Cooperation -n- Loyalty Speak Loudest!!!/_
I haven't had time to review the transcript completely, but here's a few observations.
Davis said Cable was gone even if he made the playoffs... so THAT WASN'T A FACTOR, as many here have stated. Winning is NOT ALWAYS a priority.
There is no reasonable explanation why Cable was retained as HC in 2010, except that perhaps Davis thought Cable would bury himself like Kiffin did.
Any way you look at it Davis, once again, placed winning second to a personal agenda with his HC.
Jackson: "The person that really shaped me in football is Jon Gruden"
Now that's a statement that can come back and bite a Raiders HC.
Jackson: "I came here for one reason, to come back and help restore the great tradition of the Oakland Raiders."
Translation: we won't be moving into the present (and certainly not the future) anytime soon.
Davis: "you can’t just scout speed, you gotta have it.”
Amusing, but no secret Davis places track speed above football acumen.
Davis on hiring a GM: “I would consider anything, but not right now. We have to find out what’s going to happen with professional football. You want me to hire someone and then we have a lockout?”
He would "consider anything." ALL evidence to the contrary. Just another excuse. What, does he not expect the Raiders to play football ever again?
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CJ:
All things considered, I feel a lot better about this team going into 2011 than I did about 2010. This is especially true considering the nucleus of the 2010 draftees plus other young players making up the core group.
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I do to.
Seems most seem we are going to suddenly go backwards because we replaced a coach that they previously thought was mediocre, unqualified, and a "puppet."
In fact, the only time I remember any of these "sky is fallingers" say ANYTHING positive about Cable was after he was fired... or at least shortly before it.
I like the high energy of Jackson, I think the players like the high energy... now if he taps someone from the Ravens defensive machine as DC... we're all set!
Someone else said it best... maybe he will be a better HC than a OC? Things like this happen all the time...
I guess the way I look at it, Cable did exactly what he was hired to do... he had two years to bring the Raiders back to respectability. He did that, and I thank him for it. I wish him well with his new job at Seattle (guess saying he committed suicide was wrong).
Maybe the IAAFers thought Tom Cable was going to win a SB in 2010 or something???
If the Raiders have a horrible draft, they play uninterested and sloppy in 2011, and we are back to 4 to 6 wins again, I will say then it was an obvious mistake for Al to not renew the contract (HE WAS NOT FIRED).
Until then... I don't see any evidence that this will not work out fine, if not better.
Wild hysterical conjecture doesn't cut notches in a water pistol with me.
Thats pretty much all I see here from the usual gang of suspects...
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Perhaps he can be a situational receiver, but the fact is that you can't rely on him to consistently catch balls even when he gets open. On top of it all, the kid seems nice and tries hard, but I don't sense he has a lot going on upstairs. That's my take, and I'm sticking with it.
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From the way Al worded his opinion on him (he's going to be "good," not "great") I think he would agree.
Looks to me like Al learned his lesson wit JaMoney... thats pretty guarded optimism for an owner known for spin.
Gary: always viewing events via some Kafka-like alternate universe. Amusing, but the act is wearing a little thin.
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Raider Take said...
The whole thing is just bizarre.
Didn't the Hansen and domestic violence incidents happen, like, during the 2009 season, before Cable turned in a five-win season, and long before he was retained for 2010?
Yet we stick with him for another campaign because...why, exactly?
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Continuity, and the players played hard for him, still respected him, and didn't want him fired.
What else do you know about this situation that suggests he shoulda been FIRED?
One day your whining because his contract wasn't retained, now your whining because he wasn't fired long ago?
Your takes give me nosebleed sometimes, RT.
JC "Grape" you hated Cable from the get-go... so how do you explain the teams obvious turn-around this year, and last summers draft?
All HJ, and Al?
Or all Jackson?
If you are given all of the credit to Al I will drop over of a heart-attack...
I don't have time to sift through all the posts...
Gary-n-"CJ"...
I think what Mr Davis did this time was to install that new young "HC" prospect into the coaching staff for one season 1st before promoting him to the job...This may pay bigger dividends now sense the players already know him as one of theirs instead of that new face that comes in and disrupts everything...
Davis gets to see 1st hand what he is made of and what he can accomplish...The players were excited about what he brought to the table...Win-Win as I see it...
Meanwhile the "Cable Guy" was simply an exterminator helping to get rid of the maggots so we would have a clean roster at the take over...He did his job very well and I give him credit for that...It's a shame that in the end he was reveled as also being somewhat of a "Maggot" himself with the law suits and all...But now we know...He was already gone when Hue was brought in...
Someone posted that as I recall but I don't remember who...At any rate your on record as being right and I with many many others are on record as being very wrong....
So this is what we now understand as the factual situation:
#1...Cable was a failure and was to be replaced...
#2...Hue was to be the new "HC" in his steed....
#3...Al wanted to make Hue comfortable 1st with the team for one season prior to him taking over as "HC"...
#4...Cable was retained threw the 2010 season under contact until the transition was made and his contract expired...
That was prolley a very good plan but in retrospect I would have altered the procedure at the bye and made the move to replace Cable at that point...He could have been relieved of his "HC" responsibilities while still on the staff for reasons of the law suits brought against his team during a period of investigations...At the end of which a decision was made not to retain his contract...That way we could have seen Hue in action as "HC" and possibly still made the "PO"s...
"Suspended Cable" pending further investigation into allegations of the following ___________ which may bring reproach onto the organization....Or something to that effect...
But that's not what happened and it wasn't my plan...Al worked it out his way and the team will be better for it in the end...
PantyRaider...2010 Down But 2011 Lookin Up!!!/_
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PantyRaider said...
Gary-n-"CJ"...
I think what Mr Davis did this time was to install that new young "HC" prospect into the coaching staff for one season 1st before promoting him to the job...This may pay bigger dividends now sense the players already know him as one of theirs instead of that new face that comes in and disrupts everything...
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This is actually pretty obvious. If Al hired fired Cable last season, there would be more turmoil, more finger pointing, another new coach that most of the players never met before saying the same things... this is actually a more practical and guarded approach... and lookie lookie... the IAAFers are screaming because Al didn't do the knee-jerk, childish, hysterical approach.
The classic "double bind" that I see over and over here....
Gary, my takes are consistent.
Who was the one questioning Cable's qualifications from the get go? Who was the one saying we should have interviewed more people before hiring him? Who was the one saying that the Hansen incident and other incidents didn't bode well? Who was saying that Cable was really on the bubble before he was retained for 2010? Who wasn't ready to jump up and down at the end of the season and act like we'd actually won something?
Hint: Not you.
And who, throughout it all, was trying to assure us that everything was kosher?
Hmmm...
Apparently, this take is too complex for you, but I'll repeat it for the benefit of others:
I was puzzled by the firing of Cable, because it made no sense to me to hire an unqualified head coach, retain him after a disastrous first season, and then fire him the moment he actually takes you as far as you could reasonably expect.
Of course, I didn't know that he'd been FEUDING with the owner for a YEAR. Maybe that didn't occur to me because others were trying to convince me that Cable was the next Madden and would soon be the GM.
Now his firing makes more sense. What doesn't make sense, now that we know what we know, is that it didn't happen much earlier.
Again, we pissed in the wind, dragging out the inevitable. You sold me change, when it was Kiffin II all along--the lack of qualifications, the lack of sufficient interviewing before hiring him, the vicious acrimony with the owner, and the inexplicable delaying of the inevitable for matters of money, not winning.
WoW!!...This was some very strong language...
“He found something that would stimulate all all you people, as if I wounded him,” Davis said. “He knew I could have thrown him out without any money for what he did to the Raiders with the initial stuff with Hanson . . . there are some things I can’t say because of the legalese about this but there’s no way that he can’t come clean on this.”
Cable violated the NFL constitution by not keeping him informed on a “timely basis relative to past transgressions.”
“I didn’t like his statement, and some of you took it and used it, but I didn’t like it. If that’s not being a loser in our world, I don’t know what it is, come in 500. That’s never been my goal.”
Well there's NO confusion on what the "OldMan" expects and demands from a coaching staff...They are held to higher standards than players and no doubt with very damn good reasons...And they are expected to win or die!!!...
PantyRaider...NO Lowered Bar To Be Found!!!/_
Gary -
"If the Raiders have a horrible draft, they play uninterested and sloppy in 2011, and we are back to 4 to 6 wins again, I will say then it was an obvious mistake for Al to not renew the contract (HE WAS NOT FIRED)."
There you go predicting doom and gloom again.
Gary, how many years now have you been making this exact type of ultimatum?
And Cable’s contract called for two more years, so he was fired, more or less. Why would you care what we call it?
The truth is, Davis didn’t actually FIRE Cable when he should have. Just like Kiffin.
Why does Davis continue to waste his and, more importantly, the fans' time?
Can't he work through his personal vendettas on his own time?
"RT"...
Evidently Tommy Boy had one very good talent...He could clean house...Couldn't keep his own house in order but he knew how to clean house and our house definitely needed a top notch cleaning job...
For that I'm thankful to have had his services...But his job was done and he needed to go before he brought the "Bug"s back...
In retrospect You -n- I and "CJ" -n- "BR" -n- "NYR" -n- Gary -n- "X" -n- "H" and all the others knew exactly Squat about what was really happening under that "Cone-o-Silence"...
There were allot of different speculations...Sometimes one of us gets something right but more often than not we're all wrong and surprised when the picture gains more clarity...But don't try to pimp yourself as in the know and in the right here...It won't play out...
I had a very few good guesses..You had yours as did "CJ" and who ever posted Hue was hired to be "HC" the following season...We all have had a few good guesses...Well wait...I take that back...Some never did get anything right!!!...But I doubt there is anything here to brag about!!!...
PantyRaider...Wrong 99% Not Worth beating Your Chest Over!!!/_
"NYR"...
It is his own damn time...Just how much of your time do you have invested in his team...Where is your $$$ investment...All I have ever seen is your constantly disloyal critical posts that reflect nothing worth hanging onto...
For at least the second HC in a row, the GM of this huge and historic franchise has allowed his personal differences to interfere with the critical task of managing the team, communicating openly with his subordinates and fulfilling the corporate mission (just win baby).
Assuming Gruden was not up to Al Davis' standards (which should be obvious), Davis is 0-8 in his last eight chances dating back to the Raiders move back to Oakland, and 0-5 since 2003.
So now Davis has placed all his trust in a man with zero HC experience on any level, and has made it clear that he plans to seek no executive help, as was promised many years ago when Kiffin was fired.
I like Hue Jackson, and he seemed to be the obvious choice all along given the circumstances, but the process seems all too familiar.
"Critically Disloyal"
Critical:
–adjective
1. inclined to find fault or to judge with severity, often too readily.
2. occupied with or skilled in criticism.
— adj
1. containing or making severe or negative judgments
Disloyal:
- deserting your allegiance or duty to leader or cause or principle
-unfaithful or not loyal
My how that all fits...
"NYR"...
"It is his own damn time...Just how much of your time do you have invested in his team...Where is your $$$ investment...All I have ever seen is your constantly disloyal critical posts that reflect nothing worth hanging onto..."
So are you saying that Davis has been sabotaging the team to spite me (and tens of thousands of other fans) too? He doesn't even know us.
We’re the paying customer.
I liked what I saw from Hue Jackson. Like his energy and poise.
I'm concerned that our last two head coach choices quickly ended in bitter acrimony, it has the makings of a pattern. That said, if it's not working, better to move on sooner rather than later.
This should have been sooner, but at least it's not later.
I hope we get a full NFL season this year to see Jackson work some magic.
PR -
You think posting a wiki definition of loyalty will really put me in my place?
Everything is relative. Relatively speaking, your loyalty is that of a dog that gets beaten by its owner but keeps coming back because it knows nothing else.
So before you go and strap a bomb to yourself and run into a building full of critical Raider fans, maybe you should ask yourself if this kind of loyalty really makes sense.
Maybe you should just accept the fact that others may be critical of something that has proven itself to not work.
Sometimes that's how things get fixed.
Once again, Al uses his press conference for "building his case" instead of promoting his new HC. Once again, Al steps all over his new HC for his own personal vendettas. Poor Hue, every one of these hires come in thinking they can handle Al's show. By the time they are knee deep in it, they are now caught in a whirlwind of insanity.
Poor Hue, I pity him, though it will be a stepping stone to becoming more than just a QB coach. The great Hue Jackson, his biggest conquest in the NFL is OC on a .500 team. He is kissing Al's ass now, but how much will he be kissing when Al is going behind his back and cutting his legs out? SAME OLE, SAME OLE.
Anyone who thinks "it will be different this time" is just a complete DUPE. How many times can you be fooled? The HC can only be successful if he is going against Al's wishes and we all know how that movie ends. If Al is calling the shots and the HC is saying "yes boss", you will see....we have seen it too many times to KNOW what will happen = 5-11.
Would love to hear Tom's version of events, I know it would be frowned upon by the league and his new team, but it sure would be nice to hear someone finally speak out on what goes on behind the scenes. It would blow Alameda wide open and the supposed "cone o silence" would be blown down. Funny though, that jew (why are all the insiders jews who never played the game?) guy on NFL network sure gets the leaks from the Cone-O. Wonder who is spilling their guts to him?
JONES
Gary, you're being 'door-knob' dumb again. I was very clear on what I thought Al did well and what he didn't.
As far as Cable, I supported the hiring initially until I realized what a phony he is, and more importantly, someone who doesn't know how to coach.
And go dig up the posts my man. We can go that route. But rest assured, your past posts are far more embarrassing and comical. Bottom line: I was right when I said Hue Jackson was hired to eventually take over Cable's position and I was right in that there was a rift between Cable and Al. And yes you dope, I do support Al and Hue Jackson in this case. Isn't that obvious?
"You think posting a wiki definition of loyalty will really put me in my place?"
Loyalty, you talking loyalty? Does anyone know that we are talking loyalty? Loyalty, man, can't believe we are this whacked about loyalty......
Well, let's see, I would have to say most on this site seem to be fans of the Raiders for a long time, is that loyalty? Some buy tickets and merchandise, is that loyalty? Some buy special cable packages to watch their team on Sundays, is that loyalty? Some even come on sites like this one to converse and even, GASP, vent frustration...is that loyalty?
Now look at the loyalty these fans receive back from the franchise.....having to see yrs go by because of an owner's ego takes priority over wins.... Treated as after thoughts, begged to spend their money so Al can keep buying players. Given a shitty product year after year and then when they finally have a respectable yr, the HC gets tossed and treated like a sub human (more than once).
Then we have the AD loyalists who spit on those fans who even question the Great Al Davis and his dispicable ways of handling the Organization. Now, tell us the meaning of loyalty again?
If loyalty means that no matter how much their team spits in their face, they still stick it out and ask for CHANGE and will wait for change, then count me in. If loyalty is being a "yes boss" boy, count me OUT.
JONES
Hue Jackson Bio (two parts):
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Hue Jackson was named the Baltimore Ravens quarterback coach in February, 2008, joining the staff of John Harbaugh.
Hue Jackson coached with the Atlanta Falcons during the 2007 NFL season. This was his second time being the Offensive Coordinator for an NFL team. Jackson was the highly-respected wide receiver coach for the Cincinnati Bengals the past three seasons. During his successful time with the Bengals, Jackson coached wide receivers Chad Johnson and T.J. Houshmandzadeh who were one of the most productive receiving tandems in Bengals history and one of the top duos in the league. In 2006 Johnson (1,369) and Houshmandzadeh (1,081) became the first Bengals teammates to each surpass the 1,000-yard receiving mark. Johnson’s 1,369 receiving yards led the NFL and marked the fourth consecutive season that he paced the AFC in receiving yards, becoming the first player in NFL history to lead his conference in receiving yards four consecutive seasons.
While working with coach Hue Jackson, Chad Johnson set NFL and several Bengals team records over the years. Johnson established a new League mark for most receiving yards in back-to-back games with 450 in 2006 and a new Bengals record for most receiving yards in a single-game with 260 against San Diego. Johnson has posted the top four receiving yardage games in Cincinnati history and holds the team record for most 100-yard receiving games in a career (21 in just six seasons).
Jackson also saw the fruits of his labor with T. J. Houshmandzadeh as he helped build the former seventh round draft choice into a key cog in the Bengals offensive machine. Houshmandzadeh enjoyed his most productive years under the watchful eye of Jackson as he recorded progressively better numbers each season. Starting in 2004 with Jackson’s arrival, Houshmandzadeh totaled 73 and 78 catch seasons, respectively. And culminating with his 90 catch, 1,081 yard, nine touchdown career year in 2006. Jackson’s worked with second-year wide receiver Chris Henry who produced career-highs in catches (36), yards (605) and touchdowns (9). In 2005, the wideout duo of Johnson-Houshmandzadeh combined to post 175 receptions for 2,388 yards while helping Cincinnati win the AFC North title and reach the playoffs for the first time in 10 seasons. Johnson’s 97 receptions were a career-high, besting his previous high of 95 he posted under Jackson’s watch in 2004. Together, the wideouts scored 27 of Cincinnati’s 48 touchdowns in 2005 as the team finished fourth in the NFL in scoring (26.3 points per game). The Bengals were also fifth in the league in net passing yards per game (238.8). In 2005, Jackson tutored an impact rookie in third-round draft choice Henry, who had 31 catches for 422 yards. Henry’s six touchdown catches were the most by a Bengals rookie since 1985. The 2004 campaign saw Johnson and Houshmandzadeh post 2,252 receiving yards and 168 receptions....
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...In 2005, Jackson tutored an impact rookie in third-round draft choice Henry, who had 31 catches for 422 yards. Henry’s six touchdown catches were the most by a Bengals rookie since 1985. The 2004 campaign saw Johnson and Houshmandzadeh post 2,252 receiving yards and 168 receptions.
Jackson came to the Bengals from the Washington Redskins, where he was the Running Backs Coach from 2001-02 and Offensive Coordinator in 2003. Jackson called plays for head coach Steve Spurrier as Offensive Coordinator in Washington, the first time Spurrier allowed someone other than himself to handle that task during his head coaching tenure. Jackson was back in the job market in 2004 after Steve Spurrier resigned as Redskins head coach, and was quickly recruited by Bengals head coach Marvin Lewis, who had been Jackson’s coaching colleague on the Washington staff in 2002. Jackson helped guide Redskins RB Stephen Davis to a career-high 1,432 yards in 2001, and Davis was on pace for another 1,000-yard season in ‘02 before a shoulder injury prematurely ended his year.
Jackson spent 14 years as a college coach before joining the Redskins. His last college post was as Offensive Coordinator for the University of Southern California from 1997-2000. Jackson’s duties in his last three years at USC included the recruiting and early development of Bengals QB Carson Palmer, the No. 1 overall pick in the 2003 NFL Draft. Palmer came to USC in 1998. Jackson also helped recruit Matt Leinart before he left USC.
Jackson began his coaching career in 1987 at his alma mater, the University of the Pacific. After three years there, he moved on to Cal State Fullerton (1990-91), Arizona State (‘92-95) and California (‘96). At Cal, he was Offensive Coordinator and helped lead the Golden Bears to an Aloha Bowl berth.
He picked up his first year’s experience in the pro ranks in the spring of 1991, coaching running backs, wide receivers and special teams for the London Monarchs of the World League. He also had three NFL summer internships, working with the Los Angeles Rams in 1990, the Arizona Cardinals in ‘92 and the Redskins in ‘95.
The only Ass Kissing that has been documented here is from you BIGOT!!!...
Al just sat on my face again, thanks Al, maybe next time he could wipe his ass first.
JONES
You are one filthy BIGOT Bastard for sure with this type of CRAP!!!...
that jew (why are all the insiders jews who never played the game?) guy on NFL network
May God Rebuke You "NetScum"!!!...Religious Hypocrite LIAR always trying to promote himself as being the TRUTH!!!
"NYR"...
You have earned it over time...Now are you in denial as to your countless "Disloyal-n-Critical" post over the past 3 seasons...
Go ahead...Deny everyone...They are still yours and a matter of record for you to live with...
Twist-n-Turn as you may there is no escape from your own words...
AvantGrape....
Interesting material about Hue...I find a few things very reveling here...
#1...His extended experience and success as a "WR" coach...That's been an area of weakness for the Raiders sense Freddy B retired and it gives me hope he will be able to bring in a qualified "WR" coach to aid our young core of "WR"s...
It also puts some high merit in his words when he speaks of "DHB" as being a worthy explosive project and something I will personally look forward to as he develops...We have already seen his success with our 4th rd pick little Jacoby Ford...
#2...His experience and success coaching "RB"s...We have already seen the results of this threw "D-Mac" -n- Reece -n- Bush this season...Now we have Luis Rankin back on our roster and it's my hope Bush will return as well...This bodes very well for our Raiders in the seasons to come...
#3...His success at coaching "QB"s....I have to admit that though I'm not impressed with "JC" he did improve vastly as the season progressed...Perhaps with more time in Hue's system he will eventually even impress me...
But it bodes well for the prospect that we get better at the "QB" coaching position and that whomever we bring in will also benefit from Hue's vast experience. Just think what he could do with my boy Vince Young...Or if there is a miracle in "FA" Vick...
#4...He has produced high production in players who have not sustained such output after he has departed...That shows the hands on ability of this man and I would say his credentials far outweigh what Gruden came here with or has shown sense he left...Gruden's "O"s have been very anemic while Hue's have been very dynamic...
PantyRaider...Feeling Much Better About This Move Already!!!/_
Gates, Reed can't play, so Miller, Griffin added to AFC roster
Gates will be replaced by Oakland Raiders tight end Zach Miller, who will play in his first Pro Bowl after finishing the season with 60 receptions for 685 yards and five touchdowns.
Nice...Miller deserved it outright!!
Goodell, union chief Smith meet to 'advance the bargaining'
NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell and NFL Players Association executive director DeMaurice Smith spoke face-to-face in New York on Wednesday, while more than a dozen current or former players were on Capitol Hill for face time with lawmakers and congressional staffers.
Before players dropped by his office, Rep. Lamar Smith, a Texas Republican who is the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, released a statement making it clear he doesn't believe lawmakers should get involved with the NFL labor talks.
"That is a business dispute," the statement said. "The owners and players are both literally and figuratively big boys and do not need Congress to referee every dispute for them."
Well now at least somethings are still sacred in some folks minds...
PantyRaider...NO Politics In My Sports!!!/_
The Official Transcript:
http://www.raiders.com/news/article-1/Raiders-Owner-Al-Davis-Introduces-New-Head-Coach-Hue-Jackson/0cc0ae22-aacc-4bde-a165-29136922cd54
Now reading...Will prolley comment when finished...
This + Hue Adds up to lots of points...
Davis:
I tell you, that they’re young, but this football team has the most explosive players that have been together in a long time, at every offensive position. The fullback is dynamite, he can go all the way on any play. The halfback, McFadden and Bush, complement each other tremendously with explosion. The four wide receivers, where Schilens doesn’t give you maybe the explosion you want, he gives you the big play and he gives you the first down. And then of course, the tight end is just a bright young player, Miller.
Take Note: Pay attention to the wording here...
And then the quarterback is Jason right now and what we have to rely on is the guy that I’m turning the banner over to, the baton over to, so he can lead this Raider Nation, the fans, and bring back those touchdowns in that Coliseum.
Did you catch that point...
the quarterback is Jason right now
Don't be surprised to see another new face in that position very very soon...
Davis:
When I decided sometime in June or May of this year that we no longer, as an organization, can fight the battle of personal problems for certain players. We tried it in the past. We had been successful for some of the greatest players who’ve ever played professional football and we failed. With some of the greatest players who ever played professional football, who had personal problems
So now are we leaving that aspect behind us and no longer going to deal with the players with personal problems or as noted:
personal problems for certain players
Hue:
we have some tremendous football players on the offensive side of the ball. Darren McFadden, Jason Campbell, Darrius Heyward-Bey, Jacoby Ford, Michael Bush just to name a few and then obviously with the draft picks
Again he purposely includes "DHB" in that grope...
Hue:
Obviously there’s protocol of how we’ve got to go about contacting other people at other places. Let me say this, this is the most important thing, we are going to put the best staff here for the Oakland Raiders that we can and obviously it’s going to be the Raiders staff. We’re going to have a very good staff that everybody can be really proud of, that our players are going to be very excited to play for.
Like Winston Moss as "DC"???...
Hue:
when the other team comes to the stadium they are worried about us hitting them when they get off the bus. We are going to be very aggressive on defense. That is who we are. That is the Raider way. That is what Mike Waufle likes. I know that is what Kevin Ross likes.
Yes!!!...And that's what I likes!!!
Hue:
We build a system around our players.
‘we are going to run the off tackle power play and we are block down and kick off,’ and draw up a front and we can discuss it. I mean honestly that is unheard of.
So now that raises the question about our "D"s new looks this season...Did that come from Marshal or did it come from Hue/Mike-n-Davis together...
draw up a front and we can discuss it.
Now that's "D" Baby!!!!...
I mean obviously that is a high number of penalties that we had, some were controlled and we all know that some we can’t control.
Ya!...Damn "Zebra" prejudice!!!
I expect our defense to be better this year because we are going to be a team that is in another year of somewhat the same system and playing about it.
SO!!..In the same system!!!...That Blitzing will remain and so will some of those new formations...
The Scheme has evolved...
PantyRaider...Main Points Of Interest To Me!!!/_
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JC:
And yes you dope, I do support Al and Hue Jackson in this case. Isn't that obvious?
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Gosh.
Does this mean you are going to stop bashing Al for anything and everything?
Well welcome aboard my friend!
I knew you had it in you!
Whether you bow down at the Davis alter or think Davis is the chief reason for the organizational dysfunction and failure, it is clear as day that to be a successful Head Coach in Oakland is an incredibly difficult assignment.
Some posters hate that the incumbent head coach has to kiss Davis' butt. I do too. Nothing would please me more than a Head Coach with full authority on personnel, players, and both balls.
Some posters despise that the Head Coach is a so called puppet. I do too. A leader on puppet strings is an oxymoron and insulting.
Some posters want a more thorough interview process. Yup. It is no different than any business or organization. You have to do your due diligence, have a plan, pay top dollar to acquire the best in their field.
Some posters scorn the fact that Davis won't pay fair market value for the Head Coach. No doubt about it. If you nickel and dime what you are willing to pay the leader of 53 men, you severely limit the talent pool.
I could go on and on but after the recent press conference, reading countless articles, and being an avid fan of all things Raiders for numerous decades, I have come to a few conclusions.
Some of these conclusions are a way of dealing with the reality of being a Raider fan. Other conclusions are drawn with perspective, time, sanity, and practical mind-set.
This is what I've come up with. I'm interested in getting your feedback, opinions, and input:
A successful HC in Oakland has to be:
A fantastic salesman, highly skilled diplomat, incredibly savvy politician, have a small ego at times and huge ego at other times, be able to balance what his boss wants and what is best for the team, be an excellent communicator, a strong advocate in his beliefs, have the patience of a saint, be a tremendous leader, outstanding relationship builder, be an Oscar worth actor, and lastly a results oriented Head Coach who positions the Raiders to have a legit at SB glory.
Watching the Hue Jackson PC was a lesson in how to straddle the line, boast high expectations, and kiss Davis butt all at the same time while coming across as sincere, genuine, enthusiastic, positive, and confident.
This is a gift that should never be discounted in Raiderville.
If you think for 1 second that a HC doesn't need to throw Davis public kisses of respect or doesn't need to bow down to "The Raider Way", you are fooling yourself.
If Jackson is one of those guys that is artful in playing "the game" in order to get the result and appease Davis, so be it.
As a Raider fan, we are always going to be in the position of hoping for the perfect storm and the perfect coach for our dysfunctional environment.
The fans that are rooting for Parcels, Cowher, etc. to walk through the door or Davis to take a back seat, are living in a fantasy land that simply doesn't exist.
"The fans that are rooting for Parcels, Cowher, etc. to walk through the door or Davis to take a back seat, are living in a fantasy land that simply doesn't exist."
There are fans that are willing to wait it out = me. Take a look at Al, he isn't going to last much longer, he is looking real rough. That being said, I would love for him to win one before his death. But, IMO, it will not get done with the way Alameda does business, simple.
Because I argue that Al needs to sit down, doesn't mean it will happen. He'll go to the end, that's just what he is. A collective fan base that would push for change would go a long way in pushing the issue to reality. Throwing up your hands and accepting what he throws you is weak and sheepish.
If the ownership is unwilling to create a system of winning, it is then up to the fans to send him a message for change. Do you consider Hue change? Really? This isn't change, it's just a continuation of what was. Wonder how long it's going to be before you are all calling for the next one?
JONES
"Whether you bow down at the Davis alter or think Davis is the chief reason for the organizational dysfunction and failure"
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There is no need to bow at an alter, or blame Davis for everything.
What about fairness ? That is what I try to apply.
And in fairness, I would say the following. Al Davis is doing a slow, but good job.
The Raiders just had 3 young players, Mclain, Houston, Valdheer, named to the all rookie team.
Other young players like, Mcfad, Reese, Ford, all made great strides.
The trade of a 4th rounder for QB Campbell, was a great move.
The trades for OLB's Groves, and Wimbley, were shrewd deals.
The Raiders just fired, essentially, an O-line coach, and replaced him with a bright, offensive mind, Hue Jackson, as HC.
Is everything perfect ? No. Have there been blunders, like, JBust, Kiffin, and possibly DHB ? Yes.
But I'll say this. I would not trade the Raiders current roster for most rosters in the NFL.
I give Al credit for putting it together.
I feel we are a WR, RT, & DT away from a serious SB run.
I am excited about this Raider team, and I expect big things in 2011.
"Al Davis is doing a slow, but good job."
Do your mean by retaining a HC that he couldn't work with and planned to let go the very second his contract expired?
Slow is right. He tacked on an extra year, on top of ALL the years of HC failures that preceded it.
Putting ALL that aside, he is only doing a "better" job since last year. So it only took him seven years to find his stride.
And I really don't care what you say about Cable (because now I realize that he should have been fired before last year, ala Lance Kiffin), Hue Jackson has ZERO HC experience and he wasn’t on anybody's radar (Rooney Rule aside).
However, being the loyal Raider fan that I am (and have been since the beginning of time - my time, that is), I have to embrace Jackson as HC and hope the Raiders can continue to move in the positive direction that was clearly established last year.
Unfortunately, as articulated by others, in order for Jackson to be a successful Raiders’ HC, he will have to acquiesce to ALL things Al Davis, and use whatever backbone Davis allows him to use.
If we’ve learned anything over the last 25 years, appearances are virtually always deceiving.
Even if it looks like there is harmony in the working relationship between GM and HC, there’s not.
Six head coaches in nine years should tell anyone of farm animal intelligence that there is a critical flaw in the system.
So if Hue Jackson wins, it will have to be in spite of the system. For that reason, he will have to be better than the average NFL HC, and do it for far less pay.
"Whether you bow down at the Davis alter or think Davis is the chief reason for the organizational dysfunction and failure"
what should have been added to the end of the above statement is
or somewhere in between. CJ
One of the main reasons I was so enamored with Cable as HC was because I was guessing that he was the guy primarily responsible with last years draft. It just SEEMED so different than all the other Raider drafts... I figured someone other than Al was responsible.
Al said it was his draft... was he lying? Perhaps... the guy does have an enormous ego... but this paired with something JMAC mentioned about the Raider scouts (mentioning them by name) as responsible for that draft... my guess is that Al finally decided to trust his scouts. Another guess is this happened because of Al's headscratching draft the previous year. Always with the Raiders it seems there has to be a step backwards before we go forward.
So in way... without DHB, there never would have been a sensible and nearly perfect draft the following year.
With Als obvious disdain for all things Cable dating back to the Hanson incident, it seems the chance that Cable was primarily responsible for that draft is almost nill.
With that... I am even more on board with this change... I know I know... hard to imagine, isn't it??
Gary -
“With Als obvious disdain for all things Cable dating back to the Hanson incident, it seems the chance that Cable was primarily responsible for that draft is almost nill.”
That solidifies the notion that Davis should have fired Cable last year, making Davis responsible for another full year wasted on a HC that was dead to Davis.
Personally, I long thought the 2010 draft was a collaborative effort between the coaches (identifying personnel needs), the scouts (identifying talent) and Davis making the final decisions. That’s oversimplified, but a reasonable assumption nonetheless.
Now, based on the revelations made by Davis that he knew all along Cable would not be retained, it would seem your assumption holds more water than mine.
In that case, shame on Al Davis, AGAIN!
"CJ"...
Nice job..Now you said your a cooperate recruiter so you must be around at least one high level organization where the typical structure is...
"Shit Flows Down Hill"....
What you just described could be applied equally as well to hundreds of American Corps and to virtually all Asian Corps...Hundreds of governmental situations and most certainly any military environment...Absolutely all Martial Arts environments...
Lest you forget the Raiders by design under Al Davis were fashioned after a military pattern...And the game as well as a "Game-o-War"....
So in other words Some cry because many things are out of their control and structured top-down in a line of command and respect/obedience...That which "Some" view as "Kissing Ass"....
Ya!...So you must praise the Porter types who scorn their coaches and go against the grain...Or the "Lance" type who are disruptive to the corp structure and try to dismantle it...Is that what you look for when you recruit a new executive/employee...Someone who won't work in the Corp structure that their under...Someone who won't show respect to the man above or follow simple orders and company designs/procedures...
I think NOT!!!...
So now why do you scorn it in our football team...I can assure you every team sports organization on this planet is under some form of that structure out of pure and simple necessity...From grade school on it's the format that's followed and we would fight for our coach as a result...
PantyRaider...Teams Win When Everyone Plays Together...Top-Down!!!/_
"CJ"...Why do you feel a need to read into this with negativity...
while coming across as sincere, genuine, enthusiastic, positive, and confident.
You perceive it all part of your...
Oscar worth actor
Now why!!....Why can't you see the man as what he presents himself to be...A leader of men who believes in the leader of men whom he works under...Why must you perceive his every word to be a lie!!!...An Act!!!...
When the players voice there respect and happiness/eagerness to be led by a "HC" or assistant do you view that as "Kissing Ass" also...As just a Lying Act!!!...
I venture a guess here that there was at least one time in you life when you were honored to serve under a man and spoke very highly of him and would have followed his way almost to death even if some others scorned him or you for your "Ass Kissing" commitments...
I know I have been there a few times...I know I would be there again given the opportunity to serve under Mr Davis...
PantyRaider...Misapplied Sarcasm!!!/_
Hell...You all thought Tom Cable was "Kissing Ass" and just one of your "Puppets"...
Than you find out he was NOT and your happy he's gone...
GO Figure that one out...
So "Some" are hypocrites...Say they want one thing but when it's there they don't like it..Because it FAILS!!!...
It's going to be long offseason, even if there isn't a lockout.
I'm with Al Davis. We haven't won anything.
Wake me up when the Raiders accomplish something, namely a winning record. We're now nine years into that quest.
While some will try to rationalize that fact, others have had their patience tested far beyond what they could have imagined.
We have seen some progress, but it has be so incremental and slow as to be painful, at least to some of us.
Our crowning achievement in eight years has been an 8-8 record followed by another head coach meltdown that we now know should have been dealt with long before it was.
That's it. That's our high point during that span.
So forgive me if I, like Al Davis, am not jumping up and down.
Don't get me wrong, I'm hopeful. Do I have a choice?
But I'm not going to listen to the same old assurances and explanations that are trotted out every offseason. Been there, done that.
Someday, the reality of the situation will finally catch up with the same old assurances.
But here I am, still waiting for that day, and "prove it" is once again my phrase for 2011.
Saunders, Raiders talking
Baltimore Ravens coach John Harbaugh said today the Raiders had requested permission to speak with senior offensive assistant Al Saunders, while NFL.com and the National Football Post both reported talks between Saunders and coach Hue Jackson were going on today.
Well...Now is that due diligence in getting top notch interviews or what...
Now here is a prime example of what "Some" would consider Hue "Kissing Ass"...
Hue Jackson has been ordered by the NFL to cut ties with a supplement company, according to “The Post Game” on Yahoo Sports.
The ban happened earlier this month because one of the products the company endorsed contains a banned product.
Jackson told ThePostGame.com, “I’m no longer affiliated with that company. I don’t even know about a banned substance.”
Obviously the man just knows how to follow orders from the men above!!!...
So was Tommy "Kissing Ass" with this...
Cable wishes Raiders (players, coaches) well
http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2011/01/19/cable-wishes-raiders-players-coaches-well/
PantyRaider...Cooperation With Superiors Is Now Known As "Ass Kissing"....Who'd A Thunk!!!/_
"RT"...
I have been very vocal about NOT being happy with the conclusion of this season...That 3-n-4 skid was like death after having my hopes built up so high...
I speculated something was wrong...
It came out and was finally dealt a "Death Blow"....
I'm kool with that now and have already moved on...
I'm NOT the crier type and although I wish the move had been made earlier it's NOT going to weigh heavily on my faith as a Raider...
I'm now eager and happy to move forward with Hue and all that he brings to the table...Looking forward to see who he brings in as his staff and still pimping a new "DC"-n-"WR" coach which will make me very happy...
I'm very eager to see what "FA" brings and still pimping my boyz "VY"/Vick -n- Plaxaco "GunDumb" Burris/Roy Williams...
I'm also very eager for the draft and pimp Dante Moch as one of our early round picks at 6'1" 245# -w- (-) 4.2 speed as a tweener "OLB"/"SS"...
My optimism is very high...If yours is NOT than I guess I feel sorry for you...Maybe you can join us later when you get over whatever is putting you down about our Raiders...
PantyRaider...This Team Is Poised...The "GodFather" Has Laid The Groundwork...Now Hue Must Ride Them Into Our Glorious Future!!!!/_
The "Greatness of the Raiders" is at hand!!!...
"Maybe you can join us later when you get over whatever is putting you down about our Raiders"
Ouch! It's his site, and he carries one of the few (and perhaps the most) grounded perspectives here.
Here's a suggestion, maybe there are alternate websites where you can better express your personal views and have folks simply agree with you. That way you won't get yourself so upset by the conflicting viewpoints of others.
You say you're not a crier, but that's all you do. You constantly rag on the opinions and perspectives of other people... like they're not entitled to the same freedoms you expect from others for yourself.
What is putting me down about the Raiders is obvious: an epic run without a winning season.
I invite you to join me--and Al Davis--in being pissed about it.
Me and Al Davis are hopeful, optimistic even. But our axes are never dull. We don't celebrate or rationalize mediocrity.
Hardly worth the effort to reply...
Is this another one of your childish attempts to post an argument...Well it failed again like the last time...Just go and try to come up with something of merit pertaining to football instead of your habitual Crying as the "Critically Disloyal" personification that you have been these past few season...
Your "Domm-n-Gloom" wont project onto me...That's yours and you one it...
"RT"...
Obviously you failed to read a word I posted...Or to understand it...So here is the main point again...Try to get the grip this time around...
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I have been very vocal about NOT being happy with the conclusion of this season...That 3-n-4 skid was like death after having my hopes built up so high...
I speculated something was wrong...
It came out and was finally dealt a "Death Blow"....
I'm kool with that now and have already moved on...
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That was after Mr Davis Took appropriate action to clean out the coaching staff and alleviate the problem and instill our new leader...
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I'm NOT the crier type and although I wish the move had been made earlier it's NOT going to weigh heavily on my faith as a Raider...
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As in "Get Over It"!!!
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I'm now eager and happy to move forward with Hue and all that he brings to the table...Looking forward to see who he brings in as his staff and still pimping a new "DC"-n-"WR" coach which will make me very happy...
I'm very eager to see what "FA" brings and still pimping my boyz "VY"/Vick -n- Plaxaco "GunDumb" Burris/Roy Williams...
I'm also very eager for the draft and pimp Dante Moch as one of our early round picks at 6'1" 245# -w- (-) 4.2 speed as a tweener "OLB"/"SS"...
My optimism is very high...
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As is that of Mr Davis who has also moved on with his new leader in place...
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If yours is NOT than I guess I feel sorry for you...Maybe you can join us later when you get over whatever is putting you down about our Raiders...
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As you remember it took you 3/4 the season this year to show some form of faith so I suspect it will take well into the 2011 season for you to again get over what ails your ill faith in this football franchise....
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PantyRaider...This Team Is Poised...The "GodFather" Has Laid The Groundwork...Now Hue Must Ride Them Into Our Glorious Future!!!!/_
The "Greatness of the Raiders" is at hand!!!...
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That's my honest perspective and feeling going forward...Now is it your desire to somehow tear that faith down...Ain't happening...Your tears and all the puddles of tears that follow will NOT damper my spirits this off season...I'm in "Excited Mode"...
PantyRaider...The Time For Tears Is Past...The Time To Pear Into The Future With Hope Is At Hand!!!/_
I think I can say, with some certainty, that Al Davis was more disappointed in the Raiders' results this year than I was.
Does that make him a crier?
And the fact that he changed his coaches six times in the last nine years, is he a crier for that as well?
All Davis does is bitch and complain about the coaches (docks their pay, seeks cause to fire them), making one change after another, and in rapid succession.
What a crier he must be.
It seems that everyone who's always telling me to be happier about the Raiders are quick to assure me, after each failure, that they are, in fact, very unhappy with the situation, despite being, of course, happy.
So I will just turn it around:
I assure you, I'm very happy about the Raiders. But there comes a time when I must admit that haven't been very happy with them, despite my happiness.
Well glad to see you happy "RT"...
Al least your not swallowed up by the "Gloom" like that boy in NY...
Guess some of us just get over the loss a little quicker...Put it behind and focus on next weeks contest...Or season...That comes from playing the game and others...The time for tears is very short now it's time to focus on what's coming up...
Coaching staff acquisitions...
"FA" comings -n- goings...
Draft day trades and picks....
(But you prolley wont partake like last season because we are doomed before the clock begins to tick)
Schedule...How the teams line up and projections as to what games are "V"s and which ones are potential Losses...
Mini-Camps and how players respond...
Training Camp and that 1st glimpse of what our new team looks like...
Preseason Games and how our players perform...
Than the kick-off of a brad new season of hope!!!...
In all of this how do some still find time to cry puddles of tears...
PantyRaider...Preoccupation With Past Pains Will lead You Where You Want To Be????/_
Put simply..."Get Over It"...
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That solidifies the notion that Davis should have fired Cable last year, making Davis responsible for another full year wasted on a HC that was dead to Davis.
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I still don't think firing Cable last year would have accomplished anything. At best, it would have been a risky move that gave HJ an extra year of HC experience, but also might have cost a ton of team unity, and perhaps a few more wins... I still don't think the pieces were in place to be a playoff team. The Steelers blowout pretty much sealed it for me... this team still has a lot of growing to do.
At worst it was a greasefire of a risk that destroyed all continuity and unity and set the Raiders on path to another 4 win season. And where would we be now? Instead of a building block of an 8 win season (much like 1998?) we would all be pissed at "Crazy Al" for firing another coach and the 8th straight 11 loss season.
Sorry... for once Al took the measured and safe route... and he STILL gets killed for it by you.
Ochocinco and the Raiders
If Chad Ochcocinco and the Cincinnati Bengals are truly headed for a divorce as speculated on Bengals.com, Hue Jackson’s presence as head coach would seem to make the Raiders a potential destination.
Ocho Tweets:
“Congratulations 2 Hue Jackson for becoming the Oakland Raiders new head coach. Best receiver coach I ever had.”
“I would not care where Hue Jackson got a job. I would go play for him, run through a wall, jump in front of a bus, etc. u get the point.”
“Man that was the greatest coach I ever had. Hue Jackson would choke me out, cuss me out, just to make sure I was precise on everything.
“It would be refreshing to be with Hue Jackson again. I know I wouldn’t have to worry about being thrown under a bus again.”
"Mad Chad"...
6'-1" 192#s Age: 33 -n- 10th season
Former 1000yd receiver posted 830 2010
PantyRaider..."Mediot" Speculations But I Think We Can Do Better!!!/_
Roy Williams "WR" Dallas
6'-3" 215#s Age: 29 -n- 7th season
38/598yds -n- 37/530yd past 2 seasons
14-16yd ave...5-7 "TD"s...
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Plaxico "GunDumb" Burress Free in June
6'-5" 235#s 33yrs old -w- 9 NFL seasons
Receptions 505
Receiving yards 7,845
Receiving TDs 55
Healthy after 2 seasons out of football...
His salary will be very reasonable...
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"Mad Chad" is lame from this past season...
I think there will be several quality "WR" prospects in his "FA"...
PantyRaider...Pick A Good One Or Two!!!/_
PR -
Don't make the grave error of confusing "ass kissing" with showing respect.
I fully understand the nature of structure, a chain of command, and the dynamic of the boss/spvsr to employee relationship.
The basis of a productive, healthy working relationship is centered on mutual respect and performance. As soon as "ass kissing" gets thrown into the mix, respect is greatly diminished.
PR: "I venture a guess here that there was at least one time in you life when you were honored to serve under a man and spoke very highly of him and would have followed his way almost to death even if some others scorned him or you for your "Ass Kissing" commitments..."
I have admired, honored, and respected many of my past superiors. At no time did I EVER feel the need to "kiss their ass". The exact opposite is true. Kissing ass would have been dishonoring the relationship and lowered the respect level.
"CJ"...
Than perhaps you should clarify by definition what is "Kissing Ass" in your world...
This is what I see as the jest of it from your precious post...
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A fantastic salesman, highly skilled diplomat, incredibly savvy politician, have a small ego at times and huge ego at other times, be able to balance what his boss wants and what is best for the team, be an excellent communicator, a strong advocate in his beliefs, have the patience of a saint, be a tremendous leader, outstanding relationship builder, be an Oscar worth actor, and lastly a results oriented Head Coach who positions the Raiders to have a legit at SB glory.
Watching the Hue Jackson PC was a lesson in how to straddle the line, boast high expectations, and kiss Davis butt all at the same time while coming across as sincere, genuine, enthusiastic, positive, and confident.
This is a gift that should never be discounted in Raiderville.
If you think for 1 second that a HC doesn't need to throw Davis public kisses of respect or doesn't need to bow down to "The Raider Way", you are fooling yourself.
If Jackson is one of those guys that is artful in playing "the game" in order to get the result and appease Davis, so be it.
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Now what part of that description is "Kissing Ass" and what part is not...All I see here are the acts of a man of leadership who admires and respects another man of leadership while you see it as some sort of charade...
Oscar worth actor
PC was a lesson in how to straddle the line, boast high expectations, and kiss Davis butt all at the same time
throw Davis public kisses of respect or doesn't need to bow down to "The Raider Way",
Clarify this for me...Because the "Raider Way" happens to do with the structure and design of how the organization works...The process and the chain of command...Company recognized duties and allegiance to specific standards...The Company Line...Doctrines...Slogans -n- such...It's all part of the "Raider Way"....
Why would it be derogatory to adhere to those principals while working for such an organization...
I fully understand that some can not..They don't have that type of value within themselves in order to openly display it towards others...But the "Raider Way" is full of qualities long forgotten in our modern world...But NOT forgotten in Mr Davis' world...
PantyRaider...Alliance To Ideals...Concepts...Defined By Slogans Of Old!!!!/_
looks like saunders in in as OC
Kissing Ass:
to fawn over someone; to flatter and curry favor with someone.
to try too hard to please someone and to agree with everything they say, in a way which other people find unpleasant
to praise someone more than is reasonable
Usage notes: usually said about praise intended to make someone like you or do something you want
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I don't believe I saw any of that in that PC....
Hue was proud to be working with Mr Davis...The players are proud to be playing for Hue...How is that "Kissing Ass"...
Hue referred to Mr Davis as "Coach" and explained why noting how rare it is to be able to talk X's-n-O's with any other owner in the NFL...That's something that made him joyous...Happy...He was happy to share that with everyone...
The only salesmanship here would be to gain the interest of other potential coaches who may fear the situation due to all the adverse lies that have been spun locally by the damn "Mediot"s and such...How do you think a man such as Mr Davis is going to be taken in by public flattery...NOT realistic in the least!!!...
I posted the Tweets of Chad Ocho about Hue...Was he "Kissing Ass" to become a Raider!!!...
PantyRaider...I Guarantee If You Saw Me With Mr Davis You Would Post How I'm An "Ass Kisser"....Only Because You Miss-Interpret My Deep Respect And Admiration For The Man And What He Has Accomplished!!!/_
No one on this board will ever achieve a position so high nor respect so deep from so many!!!...
Thank You Scorpio!!!...
Saunders is Raiders’ OC
Al Saunders will be the Raiders’ offensive coordinator under Hue Jackson, according to ESPN’s Adam Schefter.
Saunders interviewed with Jackson on Wednesday and was considered a favorite for the job, having worked with Jackson with the Baltimore Ravens and also having interviewed with Al Davis for the Raiders’ head coaching job on two occasions.
Well now I would call that very good news and it should shut the mouths of all those Nay Sayers who post how NO coach of merit would work for Mr Davis....Al Saunders has been the class of the NFL when it comes to the "O"...
Known for his multidimensional -n- multifaceted "O"s -w- explosiveness and the ability to keep "D"s off balance...
Now we need to add the "D" and we be moving right along...
Winston Moss is next up...
Assistant "HC"/"LB"s "GB"
"D"-#5
Pass-#5
Rush-#18
Scoring-#2
Sacks-#2
Int's-#2
If he can bring those upgrades our way along with what Hue bring to our "O" we be in the land of "Greatness" again for sure...
PantyRaider...On The Verge Of Greatness!!!/_
Disclaimer/Warning: Soon to be posted how Al has already hired Hue's replacement...Don't you believe it...
Remember: You were warned right here first!!!....
Now add up the $$$$....
I will wager that the total cost of having Hue as "HC" -w- Al Sanders as "OC" is far greater than the cost of keeping Tommy Boy Cable...
Winston Moss will generate a higher salary than the departed Marshal...
And they said Mr Davis is "CHEAP"!!!
Due Diligence!!!
PantyRaider...I Just Love To Rub It In Their Faces!!!/_
PR - The point I was trying to make that flew right over your head was that I acknowledge the fact that for a HC to be successful and last in Oakland, it is imperative that he throws Davis a bond with public recognition.
"Watching the Hue Jackson PC was a lesson in how to straddle the line, boast high expectations, and kiss Davis butt all at the same time while coming across as sincere, genuine, enthusiastic, positive, and confident.
If Jackson is one of those guys that is artful in playing "the game" in order to get the result and appease Davis, so be it."
Do I endorse this reality? No.
Do I understand it is a necessary evil? Yes.
My reality grounded, practical way of dealing with this chaotic, dysfunctional environment in Alameda, is to say in essence, the means (ass kissing) justifies the ends (stability and hopeful wins).
In a perfect world, I wouldn't have to wrap my brain around this difficult situation which the HC is faced with but I at least acknowledge it is IN FACT a necessary evil.
Regarding,
"A fantastic salesman, highly skilled diplomat, incredibly savvy politician, have a small ego at times and huge ego at other times, be able to balance what his boss wants and what is best for the team, be an excellent communicator, a strong advocate in his beliefs, have the patience of a saint, be a tremendous leader, outstanding relationship builder, be an Oscar worth actor, and lastly a results oriented Head Coach who positions the Raiders to have a legit at SB glory."
This was partly to make a point and partly to illustrate what a difficult job it is to be successful in Alameda.
A fantastic salesman: Selling Davis on players who deserve to start, changes in scheme, etc.
A highly skilled diplomat: Letting Davis know he is in charge while advocating any nec. changes
Incredibly savvy politician: Having the ability to deal with a wide range of employees, players, staff, coaches, and Davis and find a way to get their full support
Have a small ego at times and huge ego at other times: Taking a low profile in times of success and shining the light on everyone but yourself but having the ego to give your staff and players the confidence that "Hue is in charge"
Be able to balance what his boss wants and what is best for the team: Self explanatory. Hue has to either persuade Davis to make changes, make the changes on his own and get immediate results, or pick his "battles".
be an excellent communicator: Communicating effectively to his staff and players and being extremely careful and arful with the message his sends out to the media.
A strong advocate in his beliefs: Gruden had success by backing up his beliefs to Davis by splicing together film, going to the chalkboard with Davis, and getting results. Do you think Davis was initially sold on the WC offense?
Have the patience of a saint: Not in terms of results but realizing that he is trying to win the war (playoffs) and can't worry about losing a few battles with Davis (ie. over draft picks, personnel, etc.)
Be a tremendous leader: Inspiring his 53 men and coaching staff to overcome all obstacles and challenges and be unified in purpose while dealing with a less than ideal work environment.
Outstanding relationship builder: Getting the entire locker room and staff in the building all rowing in the same direction. Personal relationships, team building, developing chemistry, etc.
Be an Oscar worth actor: There is no question that a HC in Oakland will at times be faced with on camera, in print, media related situations where he can't say what he really is feeling but needs to play a role, be aware of the "company" he works for, and make sure he doesn't ruffly any feathers. Yes, this is Oscar worthy acting.
And lastly a results oriented Head Coach who positions the Raiders to have a legit at SB glory: This is truly the bottom line.
East-West 1st Look At 2011 Draft Class
http://www.shrinegame.com/en/Teams/Watchlist.aspx
West:
55 Dontay Moch OLB Nevada
Report is that "SD" has already met with him...Unless he is taken in the 1st rd we select prior to the Chargers...
The Monster: "OT"
66 Matthew O'Donnell OT Queens, Ontario
6'11" 340#s
Saturday, January 22, 2011
East-West Shrine Game
4:00 p.m., kick-off
Florida Citrus Bowl, 1610 W. Church St., Orlando
PantyRaider...Need To Find A Seat!!!/_
"CJ"...
I can see most of your points but don't agree with the presentation on a few...Mainly your perception of how difficult a situation it is to work for Mr Davis...A bit twisted I think but molded by what you read from the "Mediot" types and other malcontent fans who really know nothing at all...
Point: What knowledge do you have of the workings in the front office...How much regular turnover do you see in those departments...Any spiteful employee relationships coming out and going to court/arbitration/scandals...It appears NOT...
Only in the football arena is it pimped as a difficult place to work...
I met a few Raider employees and they were very very happy with their jobs and working for Mr Davis...Like Run-Run who was a real class act...Jim Otto who is beyond reproach...Security personnel who loved their jobs and I got to work security one season under them and still have that "93" Raider jacket to prove it...Why would it be any different in the football arena other than the fact that it is demanded upon you to produce...You must win or leave!!!...
this chaotic, dysfunctional environment in Alameda,
On who's word!!!..
The other issue of which I asked was not answered..."Kissing Ass"
This is all I saw...
it is imperative that he throws Davis a bond with public recognition.
Is that the Ass Kissing...Please explain because quite frankly I just don't get it...Seems like much to do over nothing at all...
PantyRaider...Hell!!...From What I have Seen I would Love A Job Working For The Raiders!!!/_
I will clarify from my personal observation while with the team as a Booster Club Member at all Raider Events sponsored by Mr Davis threw Jim Otto...1989-1995..San Diego County Boosters -n- Original San Diego Boosters...1997-2002 Oakland Boosters...
Never did I hear an unkind word uttered...In fact just the opposite...Mr Davis took care of his people and they took care of him...It was family...
From events in Oxnard to the events at Ricky's Sports Bar to the events at the Mariot in Oakland and the Mariot in "SD"...Al paid the bill for the fans...
We met executives like Jim Otto and Henry Lawrence...Former players like Ben Davidson...All any of them had was love for Mr Davis and his organization...
Now you want me to believe that in these past 7-8 seasons of loosing that all that has melted down into a venue of "this chaotic, dysfunctional environment in Alameda,"....NOT a chance...I have seen better with my own eyes...
My Faith in the Raiders grew out of activity with them over the decades...It won't be dismantled by a few malcontents who have never even ventured into those waters...
PantyRaider...Aboard For The Long Haul!!!/_
Hell!!..I pimped it on this board before and will again now...Maybe some of your should get proactive and see from the inside what this organization is really all about instead of reading all that CRAP posted by the "Mediot"s...
You are what you eat...Digest shit and you become shit!!!...
http://www.raiders.com/fans/booster-clubs.html
They have email contacts...There may be one in your area....
PantyRaider...Live A Little On The Inside 1st...Than Form Legitimate Opinions Based On The Reality!!!/_
Woops!!...
I posted the wrong name...
It was Morris Bradshaw not Henry Lawrence..Got my names screwed up...
These aren't events that I was at but sorta typical...Fun stuff...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_ktbzUhn5Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TelCMihTZ9k&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYqr6Y-I4yw&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9d1eibSHB8&feature=related
PantyRaider...Get Proactive Than Speak From The Heart!!!/_
Gary said: "Sorry... for once Al took the measured and safe route... and he STILL gets killed for it by you."
Do you mean the measured and safe route is retaining a top level person you disdain and punish for a full year of operation before you admit he was to be let go all along?
That's a funny way to run a business. What planet do you live on?
You obviously don’t know your leader very well. If he thought for a second that the players would rally behind Cable with their support (calling Al out in the process), Cable would have been fired immediately.
Wake up! There was NOTHING “measured” about retaining Cable.
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That's a funny way to run a business. What planet do you live on?
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The planet that honors contracts?
The planet where a person that is doing a good job that is respected and wanted to be retained by the people he is leading, is retained until his contract is up?
The planet where the person that is to replace him works in conjunction with everyone for a year before taking over... instead of just barging in and taking over?
Stuff like this happens ALL THE TIME in businesses all over the planet called EARTH.
A greeter at Walmart might not know this.
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Wake up! There was NOTHING “measured” about retaining Cable.
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Only in Al-hater land.
BTW... maybe I missed it. Was I right that you are about 36 years old (or younger)?
I nailed it didn't I?
Gary...
That's funny...But he would fail at that job with all the negative greetings he would execute...Like:
Hi..Welcome to Walmart but you should consider shopping somewhere else where they pay better and don't import everything in the house from China...
I only get one break besides lunch...That's cruel and inhuman punishment standing here all day...
For the 2,482nd time WELCOME TO WALMART!!...Why don't you folks just stay home...You can get a better price on the Home Shopping Chanel...
I suppose you want to shop for Chinese goods to..Well WELCOME TO WALMART!!!...What planet do you come from??
PantyRaider...Oh! da Horror!!!/_y
Nine years into the quest for a winning record, and picking up the pieces after yet another head-coaching meltdown, the so-called optimists are as cocky as ever.
I can only imagine what it will be like when the facts finally catch up to the boasts.
It's going to be long offseason.
These are the same guys that were telling us how wonderful last year's off-season was and that Tom Cable was their guy to bring the Raiders back into prominence.
Little did they know, Al Davis was behind closed doors sticking voodoo needles into a Tom Cable doll... as part of his “measured” and well-calculated plan.
Raider Nate has submitted a Guest Take, and it's now up. Will be interesting to discuss with all of you!
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