Pryor Offense: Terrelle Comes to Oakland
The Raiders just selected Terrelle Pryor in the third round of the supplemental draft. Will he displace Kyle Boller, as some are speculating?
Not sure how I feel about this. I guess there's not a ton of downside if he doesn't work out. That is, unless Campbell gets hurt and we're down to Trent Edwards or bust behind a questionable offensive line.
I think that the hype surrounding Pryor far outweighs his current value, but maybe there's enough upside there to make it work. I'm not huge on the Raiders bringing guys in with known character issues (it rarely works out for us, the team culture doesn't handle it well), but if Pryor can learn to "Yes, sir" his way to a contributing role, then perhaps it'll work out in the long run.
At the very least, it gives us something to focus on this week instead of the whup-a** that the Niners opened up on us, and the unfortunate fan violence that followed.
They say that preseason doesn't mean anything, but it's been a pretty good indicator of the state of the Raiders in recent years, so let's hope we see some swift progress in the next few weeks.
Not sure how I feel about this. I guess there's not a ton of downside if he doesn't work out. That is, unless Campbell gets hurt and we're down to Trent Edwards or bust behind a questionable offensive line.
I think that the hype surrounding Pryor far outweighs his current value, but maybe there's enough upside there to make it work. I'm not huge on the Raiders bringing guys in with known character issues (it rarely works out for us, the team culture doesn't handle it well), but if Pryor can learn to "Yes, sir" his way to a contributing role, then perhaps it'll work out in the long run.
At the very least, it gives us something to focus on this week instead of the whup-a** that the Niners opened up on us, and the unfortunate fan violence that followed.
They say that preseason doesn't mean anything, but it's been a pretty good indicator of the state of the Raiders in recent years, so let's hope we see some swift progress in the next few weeks.
posted by Raider Take at 11:11 AM
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No way he displaces Kyle Boller, I think we say goodbye to Trent Edwards, who was absolutely dismal on Saturday.
I would be shocked if the raiders are actually looking at this guy to be a quarterback. This has Ronald Curry 2.0 written all over it.
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How exactly does the supplemental draft work? Does this mean we gave up a 3rd round draft pick next year? And if that's correct, does that mean we don't have a 2nd, 3rd or 4th rounder in the 2012 draft?
Not that I think Pryor will be Russell part duex, but considering our draft situation that seems kind of high for a player that doesn't really have a position yet. But then again I guess the Raiders felt Pryor was a better bet that a 3rd rounder next year.
We shall see.
I don't think he even play this year. Or if he does play it will be in a very limited capacity. He'll get what 2 weeks of training camp, then he's out the for the first 5 games? I wouldn't be surprised if a mysterious arm/muscle ailment pops up that lands him on the IR/PUP as the Raiders figure out a position for him.
I do think that's the case, Toni, and I find it a bit unnerving for a team that needs building blocks, not quick fixes. We shall see.
Toni, yes we gave up our 3rd rounder for 2012.
It will be interesting to see how we are going to use him. I'm wondering if we are going to tote him out there, and then use him as possible trade bait.
This doesn't surprise me though. It is a typical Al Davis move. Throw cash at unproven, and fast players; and let the team needs suffer (O-line and DB).
And no, Panty, this does not constitute a major free agent signing. :)
Can already say this is a nothing move. Seems like it's just a PR stunt than a serious roster addition.
Trent Edwards only played 1 series on Sat.
JONES
I see this guy as nothing more than Jamarcus Russell without the purple kool-aid.
Well, another bad decision at the QB position by the Raiders.
These bad calls at such a critical position like QB, are setting the Raiders backwards.
Even if they see him as a WR, or RB. Pryor, at any position, is a project at best.
i don't think this is a waste at all. if he doesn't work at qb, he'll be a receiver.
we lose a 3rd rounder right? BUT don't we get a couple of 3rd's as compensation for losing a couple of key free agents? if that's the case, then we get that pick back so is it a loss?
as we look at our qb/receivers, we have a young guy to develop into a slash type, another weapon to put on the field. shilen's will go on IR with a hangnail so we'll make room for him.
at least that's how i see it...
correction - 3 free agents: gallery, miller and nnamdi. so does that now make 3 compensatory picks?
i'm excited about this guy being able to contribute - down the road of course. he'll make us forget about dhb...
after that diaster last saturday, i'm tryin' to be positive here guys...
one more thing.. this kid knew he made a mistake and is sorry for what he did. he hasn't killed anyone or did drugs - he sold memorabilia for a tattoo, sheesh!
so we know right off the bat that he isn't a mental case like vince young. guys we could use him - somehow!
I recommend you check out Gruden's one-on-one with him. He seemed sincere about not hurting his old teammates by continuing the scandal and "getting on with things".
At the salary he's likely to demand and a third pick, I like this move.
Everyone threw Russell 2.0 (*cough* Cam Newton), in my face all day. I'm sorry, but this guy didn't cost us number one OVERALL and tens of millions of dollars.
They can make the speedster criticism, but would anyone like this guy more if he was slower?
He likely would have been a front runner for the Heisman this year, without the scandal. Does that make it a sure thing? Hell no, but I look at it as a possible steal with little to no down side.
The five week suspension also keeps us from any "QB controversy".
The Pryor signing will receive plenty of ink, generate water cooler conversations, and hype but it boils down to a guy who will make zero impact in 2011.
If he is able to make more than 5 positive plays in the entire 2011 season, I would be shocked.
The best to hope for is that Pryor applies himself diligently over the course of the next 18 months to eventually become a legit pass catcher, wild cat/trick player/slash specialist.
His chances of becoming an NFL signal caller are remote at best.
As of right now, I would rate Pryor as our #4 QB and #10 WR on the depth chart.
The true risk to reward proposition is more based on whether or not Pryor can be a legit, contribution NFL player (at any position) in 2013 at the earliest.
The other serious consideration is whether or not a good NFL player is cut to make room for Pryor on the 53 man roster.
Some have thrown out Boller, Edwards, Schillens as guys to cut to free up space for Pryor. Really?
The 1st 2 guys mentioned are legit NFL back up QBs who have started NFL games, are mechanically sound, and understand the fine nuances of playing the most difficult position in football. Schillens might be injury prone but at least when healthy, he is proven NFL receiver.
yup. what pope said. jason deer in the headlights campbell doesn't have to worry about looking over his shoulder just yet or even if at all. this guy might not even be playing that position. is it kawakami who wrote that the russell - pryor comparisons are laughable? he doesn't cost us much and besides, who do we have at qb next year? i'm not saying this guy's gonna start but this guy has so much more potential upside for other positions of need other than qb.
someone wrote that he could be an antonio gates type of pass catching tight end. now just think if this guy develops into a good TE (blocking and catching) in the future, then we'll have boss, ausberry AND pryor. depth galore. miller who?
or say goodbye to DHB, or nick miller (sorry nick, i like you but can't beat size and LOTS if speed) or that porcelain doll schilens.
and gasp! what if he actually develops into at least a solid nfl caliber qb? after all, this guy does have some skills. he won a couple mvp's in big games so that right there tells us something.
no matter what position he ends up in, all the reports say he's nothing but a really hard worker.
all this potential ain't bad for a 3rd rounder... cool!
Scorpio...
Nice posditive takes...Me like's that!!!
Told You So!!!....
This will pay verywell for us but not always a very quick return can be abticipated...But the returns will come later this season...
I exect him to be in this week's game as a "WR" and late in the 4th taking a few snaps at QB"...Than the last week of preseason to play the entire 4th or perhaps even earilier...We bwill see...
I'm totally excited about this...I pimped it and I'm taking it...So good by good by....See ya next season!!!!...
PantyRaider...ThankYou "MrD"!!!!/_
PS...Not my conp so NO spell checker!!!
Excited about a QB who might make it as a WR...wow, desperate fans. Much to do about nothing. So what if he is a hard worker, doesn't mean anything if he can't catch. Haven't the Raiders got enough "could be good" players? Wouldn't you rather have "that guy is for real" players? Is he even projected to be able to compete at QB? A QB who goes to WR, WHO CARES. Another Ronald Curry? Who cares? Call me when they make a splash.
JONES
jones, curry was way better in his prime than the crop we have now...so if he becomes a ronald curry I'll take that.
I hope Pryor surprises me and is able to make a positive, tangible contribution to the Raiders.
As I mentioned in my earlier post, I'm not holding my breath for any contribution whatsoever this season.
Next year would be a pleasant surprise if he develops with a full training camp and instruction.
The following year, there is a very slight chance of him being a legit NFL WR or backup QB.
A ROI in 2013 for a 3rd round pick is perfectly acceptable. However to act like he can walk in with no camp, a 5 game suspension, and an incredibly STEEP learning curve to learn a new position (WR) or change his body type and blocking skills to be a TE is simply foolish.
The comparison of Pryor to Curry are silly. Let's not forget that it took Ronald Curry, one of the best athletes and the body type of a WR, many years to gain traction. Curry, unlike Pryor, was an NCAA starting QB and basketball player. His ability to make cuts was honed on the football field AND basketball court. And don't forget, Ronald Curry was a 7th round pick.
I'd rather have a Tim Brown, a Marcus Allen, a Howie Long, a Lester Hayes, a Rich Gannon, I want quality.
Projects rarely work out, I know it's Raider history to turn a RB to a TE, or LB into a DE, Etc. I want players, and I want a system that those players can florish in. I'm sick of 'projects'. HC's that are projects, QB's that are projects, OL that are projects.....enough. For a team that has been so inept for so long and to lack such talent...it's shameful. Who on the Offense might have a chance at the Pro Bowl...DMac, that's it. Defense? Who, Seymour on reputation? Now a QB that could be a WR, Yippee.
JONES
Jones wasn't Howie considered by some to be a project?
Topher :)
I have my opinions about Pryor, as well as the rest of you. Only Al knows what he thinking based on the 1 scout who went to TP’s pro day work out. Pryor's record is pretty impressive at the collegiate level with 31-4 as a starter, Rose Bowl MVP, Sugar Blow MVP and several other known awards.
Then with all the scandal of selling his memorabilia and traded his signature for cash. That does not bode well for ones character. Yet Al has always taken a chance on those with lesser character (morals and values) because they have a gift/skill/talent whatever you want to call it, that others don’t have what it takes to win at the next level.
Though thoughts of Russell come to mind when Al made that selection and then defended it until Al couldn’t take the embarrassment of dishing out Russell $39million for walking around in fur coats, diamonds and Kool Aid laced drinks; to end up as the one of the biggest busts in history of professional sports. TP does come at a cheap risk of $519,000 for a year.
Jon Gruden’s QB Camp interview of Terrelle Pryor shed some light on his personality with quotes like these, “Roses are red, and Violets are blue. Terrelle Pryor is better than you,” commenting on the Buckeye’s Rose Bowl Championship game. Or this quote, “They don’t give you hugs and Gatorade every time you get a first down on the next level!” But Gruden did say the following, “I don’t know the exactness of what happened at Ohio State. I do know Pryor is disgusted and feels terrible about what occurred. He just turned 22 yrs old and needs to move on with his life. You can’t be more impressed with the guy physically; he’s all of 6’5” at 235lbs. He’s a double threat; he’s one of those guys that can be a terror to defenses. He’s got some work to do, fundamentally and he knows that. But he does have a rare talent.”
Chucky gave his take on the kid, so we’ll see if it’s true. Though Campbell has not impressed me very much this preseason and looks as if we may struggle quite a bit this year at the QB position. Trent E and Kyle B are not the answers but are proven QB’s who have valuable experience as a starter in this league.
This could be a project for Hue Jackson having TP come in. Then again, it’s all a crap shoot in the end.
The guy has a better pedigree than Russell coming out of college, has more playing experience and a better work ethic to boot.
http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2011/08/22/pryor-russell-comparisons-are-laughable/#more-16818
Truth be told a lot of you are still jonesing for Gradkowski.
Cry as some will I'm just NOT into that...Positive steps in a positive direction...
Nothing is known until shown...
No matter how many similarities NO two are alike...
He's an NFL "QB" until proven otherwise by virtue of his entitlement...3rd rd pick as "QB"...Enough said!!!
PantyRaider...I'm His Official Pimp!!!/_
Well, I guess that’s it. I lost the bet. Although, I question the acceptability of Pryor’s inclusion now that it’s been announced he will be suspended for five games.
I doubted until the end that the Raiders would select Pryor. I guess I assumed Davis was still too shell-shocked over Russell to consider another QB project (to which the Raiders have a horrendous history in developing young QBs).
It wasn’t until I saw the stat-line on Pryor’s pro day that I realized he might become a Raider. According to the initial media report, Pryor posted a sub 4.4 40.
So now the Raiders have the fastest RB (T Jones), fastest WR (too many to list), fastest CB (again, too many to list), fastest OL (B Campbell) and fastest QB (T Pryor) in the NFL. I’m probably missing a couple “fastest” player positions.
It’s like Davis built his team to compete in the Wide World of Sports NLF Challenge.
That said, I think Pryor is a good risk (at +/- $520k) , and I would say I was wrong to compare him to Russell.
From what I’ve seen (which is about the same uninformed access that I had to info on Russell), this kid can play. Also, I think he can make an immediate contribution. To wit, he doesn’t need to learn the entire playbook. He can be featured on a half dozen plays (pass, run or catch) and expand from that. He’s a weapon.
Perhaps next year or in 2013 he can be the Raiders QB.
In the more immediate future, the Raiders are without their 2nd, 3rd and 4th round draft picks next year.
IMO, that means they are ALL-IN with this current group. Like it or not, this is the team they have assembled to make-it or break-it for the next couple years.
Somebody mentioned compensatory picks. I believe those picks lag one year. I read that the Raiders were just awarded a 7th round pick in 2012 for last year’s net loss in free agency. That means 2013 is when the Raiders will pick up a couple (or three) higher picks for their net loss in free agency this year. That speaks volumes to the non-splash that occurred.
Clearly, no splash was made. But a bet is a bet. To the victor go the spoils. (I’m actually shocked you [PR] are not rubbing this in my face.)
Go Raiders! NYRaider over and out!
Would it be too much of a reach to suggest that if he's not going to be played as QB, then perhaps he might be a decent CB? Perhaps a bigger need for the Raiders than WR? He has attributes that would surely help.
"Jones wasn't Howie considered by some to be a project?"
He was drafted in the second round as a DE, how is that a project?
JONES
Wait a sec, I lost track of the bet (and didn't pay much attention after that). So drafting a third-round project means NY Raider leaves Raider Take? Crazy. Don't want to lose a regular here.
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I vote "draw" at best. Wasn't the bet free-agency splash? Plus, worst case, NYRaider should be able to post until week 6, right?!
Wait, what!?! I didn't read the original bet, but wasn't it 2 FA signings that made a splash?
So a kid without a position and Boss is a splash?
I call shenanigans.
Not that it matters, but I don't want nyraider to leave. Can't we call it draw like TheFreakingPope suggests?
Scorpio & F'nPope,
I think the Pryor pick was bad for the following reason.
the Raiders, an organization that has not made playoffs since 2002, cannot afford to have "projects", on the roster.
when i say, afford, i'm not talking about draft picks, or money. i'm talking about time.
how much time are the Raiders going to invest into the Pryor experiment ?
this is a guy, as Calico says, is not even going to take the field until 2012/2013 season.
the Raiders may not be able to make a judgement on Pryors abilities until 2015/16 at the earliest.
and if he fails, as NYRaider points to Raiders terrible history grooming QB's. Where are we then ? how much time has been wasted ?
how many other QB's will the Raiders let go by, waiting for Pryor to produce ?
obviously, the Raiders see some Mike Vick qualities in Pryor.
but, IMO, when you're trying to build a winner. when you havn't made playoffs in so long.
the Raiders can not afford the time, the waiting, in this Pryor experiment/project.
I vote, if NY has to leave, then so does Jethro. Or, if NY stays, then Jethro has to leave. What about CJ, wasn't he also in on the bet? If NY goes, doesn't CJ too? How bout NY and CJ stays, and Jethro goes? I vote for Jethro leaving and everyone else stays, that's my final vote.
JONES...wack the wacko...
Tell me that NY (or anyone else) didn't make a bet that if the Raiders sign/draft the equivalent of a Kevin Boss and a third-round project, he has to leave for a year. That didn't happen, right?
Raiders | Terrelle Pryor will start as a QB
Tue, 23 Aug 2011 07:47:01 -0700
Oakland Raiders head coach Hue Jackson said QB Terrelle Pryor would be a quarterback for now. He also said he’d do anything to score a touchdown, even if it meant putting in something special for Pryor.
Blogger PantyRaider said...
Doubt your man enough to "Put Up Or Shut Up" but I will wager that Mr Davis makes a splash in "FA" this season....
Clarification:
At least one big name player if not 2....
Projected Possibilities:
"QB"s...Vince Young/Carson Palmer
"WR"s...Vincent Jackson/Plaxaco Burris
"OT"....________________________
"OLB"...________________________
"Sup-Draft"...Slash Pryor
8:12 AM
Blogger Calico Jack said...
Also, according to Yahoo Sports, the Raiders are the most over the cap:
Oakland Raiders: $14.9 million
Dallas Cowboys: $13.9 million
Pittsburgh Steelers: $10.3 million
New York Giants: $6.1 million
Minnesota Vikings: $4.3 million
Indianapolis Colts: $1.8 million
Baltimore Ravens: $1.8 million
Trimming $14.9M AND signing key free agents like TE Miller and CB Asomugha will be very tough.
Sure the Raiders find a way with some trick cap management BUT the reality is that we it is highly unlikely we will be in a position to add key exteranl free agents.
I hate to sound like a broken record but the contracts handed out to Seymour, Routt, and Wimbley seem like BAD business.
10:59 PM
Blogger nyraider said...
I like the water balloon analogy. I would say there are other teams gripping brass knuckles... which puts CJ right on par. This will be the season that the most pre-lockout prepared team and the team with the best leadership will likely prevail.
It's hard to imagine losing starters like Miller, Asomugha, Gallery, Huff, etc, will actually improve the Raiders.
The offensive line with be filled with inexperience, yet expected to perform at a higher level than the long-time veterans they replace.
The secondary may take a big hit (pun intended), but only because we can't play zone and nobody on the Raiders can fill Nnamdi's shoes in man coverage.
TE was thin before Miller's potential departure. Without Miller, we're pretty much screwed.
Sure Davis will restructure some contracts and get back under the cap, but will that be enough to re-sign some of our own key players? It all falls back to overpaying so much for guys like Wembley and Routt. Hence, the balloon effect continues.
5:24 AM
Now that was the posts that triggered this whole thing and the outcome is very clear...
At least on posted is willing to act like a man if his last post is legit!!!
PantyRaider...It Is What It Is!!!/_
http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=16702745&postID=5916134962836108605
I'm just not sure about Pryor. Athleticism is overrated at QB.
In today's NFL, the Quarterback must be two things (1) really sharp in terms of game management, audibles, recognizing defenses, etc. and (2) accurate. Solid mechanics are always helpful, too.
Does Pryor exhibit these qualities? If not, when will he?
This is what I posted prior to the "Sup-Draft" showing a willingness to admit defeat if Pryor was passed up...But he wasn't...He was drafted in the 3rd as a "Big Name Player" outside the regular NFL Draft during the "FA" period and listed in the challenge by name..
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Blogger PantyRaider said...
Yo!!!...Is Our Reserve $$$$$ Being Held For A Special Addition:
The thought just entered my mind that with so much interest and his good showing at his “Pro-Day” a 3rd might not be sufficient to win his services…Yikes!!!….Could Al have it in his heart to send a 1st rd pick and thus a hefty Cap hit!!!!….
We will know soon enough but I wasn’t thinking along those lines until now…I was under the impression that no team would be willing to give up even a 2nd rd pick for a player with a 5 game suspension!!!…But just how bad do you suppose Al wants this kid -n- his Strong Arm -n- Fast Feet -n- Big Hands….
PantyRaider...The Suspense Builds!!!/_
Tune in Monday for "Al's Big Score" -or- "PantyRaider finally cries in potential defeat"....
3:10 AM
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Boss qualifies as a "Big Name Player" every bit as much as Zack does...
Super Bowl XLII champion
Pro Bowl 1st Alternate (2008)
PantyRaider...One Down One To Go!!!/_
I guess I just don't see Pryor as a "big name player" myself. He's got a lot of media coverage, sure. But can anyone who lasts until the third round of any draft be called a big name player? I think it's a fair question.
A 3rd round supplemental draft pick project who likely won't pan out + a downgraded (slightly) replacement for a Pro Bowl performer = SPLASH!
And the earth is flat.
Sorry but no cigar. If NYR leaves it will be a shame and travesty on all possible levels.
BTW, PR, I'm not going anywhere in spite of your distorted view of a free agent splash and internet tough guy act.
Cheers, CJ
Raiders | Kirk Morrison, Lofa Tatupu on radar?
Tue, 23 Aug 2011 22:35:54 -0700
Oakland Raiders head coach Hue Jackson said Tuesday, Aug. 23, that it is conceivable that the team will check into signing either free-agent LB Kirk Morrison (Jaguars) or Lofa Tatupu (Seahawks).
Read more: http://www.kffl.com/team/28/nfl/oakland-raiders#ixzz1VwO6d5qH
"CJ"...
A man is only as good as his word...Now you prove yourself defunct...NOT me...I just provided the arena in which you would fail!!!
Raiders | Will end yearly preseason game against SF
Mon, 22 Aug 2011 12:48:56 -0700
The Oakland Raiders will stop their annual preseason game against the San Francisco 49ers after a shooting incident following their preseason game Saturday, Aug. 20, which left two people in critical condition. The NFL and local police are said to be in favor to stopping to yearly game.
Read more: http://www.kffl.com/team/28/nfl/oakland-raiders#ixzz1VwSdfI00
CJ"...
A man is only as good as his word...Now you prove yourself defunct...NOT me...I just provided the arena in which you would fail!!!
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Agreed PR. A man is only as good as his word.
#1 I didn't sign off on the Pryor deal. Pryor is not a free agent but a 3rd round supplemental draft pick PROJECT.
#2 The Raiders have not made a "splash in free agency".
If you were a "man of your word", you would depart now. Adios.
And yes, there is an excellent chance we will sign a FA LB in the next few days with Goethel being out for the year with a torn ACL. This is not a "splash" though ... it is a reactive move to cover for an injury just like the Boss signing was no more than a reactive move to replace Miller.
Ask any Raider fan or NFL fan the simple question:
Did the Raiders make a splash in free agency this year and the answer is unequivocally, resounding "NO". Why? Because we didn't.
We didn't make a splash in free agency but I knew full well that you would spin this and make it more complicated than necessary.
CJ
PR, I don't see your argument of making a "Free Agency splash" this offseason. I said it earlier in this post TERRELL PRYOR IS NOT A "FREE AGENT SPLASH"!
No draft pick, for that matter (regular draft or supplemental) is a splash until he proves it on the field.
We had our chance to sign Nnamdi (loss), Miller (loss), and Gaither (loss); we let them walk.
We signed Boss, Routt (before we signed Nnamdi), Huff, Barnes, Carlisle, Sam Williams (again), and Bush. Where's the splash? Outside of Boss which is a wash with losing Zach Miller, there is no free agency splash.
I guess I haven't been paying close enough attention to the bet, because I still don't understand it, and don't want to sift through the literally thousands of words devoted to it by now.
Bets should be able to be summed up in a brief sentence or two, ie: If (X happens), then (Y will happen).
Example: "If the Raiders win 12 games in 2011, I will do somersaults for one straight hour."
So, in simple terms, can somebody sum up the bet for us?
"CJ"...
"#1 I didn't sign off on the Pryor deal. Pryor is not a free agent but a 3rd round supplemental draft pick PROJECT."
BullShit!!...You wanted in and your in!!...The whole damn thing just as posted NOT just what suits you at the time between your damn "Movable Rubber Walls"!!!!
Now this is what your trying to stand on...Something posted well beyond your signing off on that challenge which directly stated the "Sup-Draft" and Pryor's name!!!
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Blogger nyraider said...
Boss is one (even though the Raiders gained nothing due to the loss of Miller).
I gave you Pryor as a possible in our bet but I would argue that any side bet you have with CJ does not include Pryor. That one is on me only.
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Wrong!!!...It's as posted without any more concessions ...Period!!!
Now as per this:
"I'm not going anywhere in spite of your distorted view of a free agent splash and internet tough guy act."
The acting is on your part and yours alone...I'm freakin real...No need to play for an Academy Award!!!...That's obviously your bag...NOT mine!!!
Point:
The Raiders had Tatupu in for a workout long before the "LB" injury...
Fact:
It has been regularly reported that the team was still interested in Tatupu and also "Capt Kirk"....
Obvious Conclusion:
You have NO ground to discredit that "FA" signing if it takes place now...
Per this documentation which was all posted right here:
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Raiders | Kirk Morrison, Lofa Tatupu on radar?
Tue, 23 Aug 2011 22:35:54 -0700
Oakland Raiders head coach Hue Jackson said Tuesday, Aug. 23, that it is conceivable that the team will check into signing either free-agent LB Kirk Morrison (Jaguars) or Lofa Tatupu (Seahawks).
Read more: http://www.kffl.com/team/28/nfl/oakland-raiders#ixzz1VwO6d5qH
Raiders | Could show interest in two LBs
Fri, 19 Aug 2011 12:21:59 -0700
The Oakland Raiders could show interest in free-agent LBs Lofa Tatupu (Seahawks) and Kirk Morrison (Jaguars) at some point during the preseason.
Read more: http://www.kffl.com/team/28/nfl/oakland-raiders#ixzz1VxarlT3F
Raiders | Still talking with Lofa Tatupu
Thu, 11 Aug 2011 14:21:22 -0700
The Oakland Raiders are still talking with free-agent LB Lofa Tatupu (Seahawks).
Read more: http://www.kffl.com/team/28/nfl/oakland-raiders#ixzz1VxWKxCrv
Raiders | Will meet with Lofa Tatupu
Mon, 01 Aug 2011 11:04:19 -0700
The Oakland Raiders are scheduled to meet with free-agent LB Lofa Tatupu (Seahwks) Monday, Aug. 1.
Read more: http://www.kffl.com/team/28/nfl/oakland-raiders#ixzz1VxWkFucK
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Now notice this dates clear back to 8-01-11 -n- 8-11-11 -n- 8-19 well prior to any "LB" injury...
Now look at the date of the injury your pimping: 5 days after the reported interest in these 2 "LB"s...
Raiders | Travis Goethel to require knee surgery
Tue, 23 Aug 2011 22:35:25 -0700
Oakland Raiders LB Travis Goethel (knee) learned Tuesday, Aug. 23, that he is going to require surgery on his left knee and it will likely force him to miss the entire season.
Read more: http://www.kffl.com/team/28/nfl/oakland-raiders#ixzz1VxbYWJDw
Also the fact is that the Raiders were also looking at other "FA" as reported to be:
TE Todd Heap
OT Jared Gaither
DB Dashon Goldson 7-26
WR Chad Ochocinco 7-28
OT Jared Gaither 7-29
CB Antonio Cromartie 7-31
http://www.kffl.com/team/28/nfl/oakland-raiders
So your crap that the team was not working in the "FA" market is unfounded blatant stupidity!!
PantyRaider...Add To This The List Of "FA"s Signed!!!/_
panty, just because the raiders were "looking" at free agents, doesn't make it a splash until they sign them.
rt, the bet (as i have gathered, like you not willing to read all the bs details), is if the raiders made a splash in free agency (not draft, not supplemental draft; but free agency), signing big name players, then nyraider and cj would leave the site for a year. if they did not make a splash in free agency, panty would be walking the plank for a year.
i hate to say it, because i like all 3 in their respective ways; but panty is on the losing end of this bet.
"RT"...
Just how much simpler can this be:
Blogger PantyRaider said...
Doubt your man enough to "Put Up Or Shut Up" but I will wager that Mr Davis makes a splash in "FA" this season....
Clarification:
At least one big name player if not 2....
Projected Possibilities:
"QB"s...Vince Young/Carson Palmer
"WR"s...Vincent Jackson/Plaxaco Burris
"OT"....________________________
"OLB"...________________________
"Sup-Draft"...Slash Pryor
I than moved it to "2" of the above due to the crying by those who signed off on it and that's how it stands...
Than attempts were made to limit who could be included in that "Big Name FA" list so I posted it's any man who's carrier measures up to the names posted as examples and just as posted by "CJ" they had to have been starters on other team and consequently starters with the Raiders...
So now like in anything give a little take a little...OK...I gave in to anti it up to "2" instead of the "1 if not 2" as originally posted...I gave in to they had to have been starters and become starters...
Now what the hell else do they want???...
#1...Kevin Boss
#2...Terrelle Pryor as specified in that challenge...
Than add in this: Signed "FA"s
"QB" Trent Edwards
"OT"/"G" Stephon Heyer
OG Justin Smiley Retired
"LB" Darryl Blackstock
"TE" Kevin Boss
"C" Samson Satele resigned
"WR" Chad Jackson
"WR" Derek Hagan
"RB" Michael Bush resigned
"SS" Josh Bullocks
"FS" Matt Giordano
"S"/"CB" Michael Huff resigned
Count them...That's 12 "FA"s -n- 1 "Sup-Draft" pick signed sense this challenge took place...Two of whom are without a doubt "Big Name FA's"...
But have no fear "RT" there are more to follow and NO...The injury to a Non_Starter at "LB" will NOT void the addition of a "Big Name LB" if added now!!!...
PantyRaider...It Is What It Is!!!/_
Also notice I specified:
"QB"
"WR"
"OT"
"OLB"
Now look at that list of signed "FA"s...
"QB" Trent Edwards
"OT"/"G" Stephon Heyer
OG Justin Smiley Retired
"LB" Darryl Blackstock
"TE" Kevin Boss
"WR" Chad Jackson
"WR" Derek Hagan
"SS" Josh Bullocks
"FS" Matt Giordano
2 "QB"s -w- one taken in the "Sup-Draft" as specified...
2 "WR"s
2 "OT"/"G"s but one retired...
1 "LB" -w- more on the way
1 "TE"
2 "S"s
Damn now was I close to the mark or what...
PantyRaider...And They Want To Fight!!!/_
again, i question the "big name free agent" in that list. we never attempted to sign 2 of them, and let them go (nnamdi and zach). we looked at one (gaither), and did not offer. i disagree that the draft/supplemental draft as being a part of it at all because that is not considered free agency; hence why they call it a draft.
all this from a guy who was not a part of the bet. one free agent signing is not a splash. a splash would be multiple signings. i think you're reaching for something that isn't there.
List of possible additions at "LB":
Tully Banta-Cain, DE/OLB, Patriots. Age: 31
Tully Banta-Cain has 15 sacks in the past two years, but at 31, he’s a declining rush linebacker who’ll need a very good pass rusher across from him to be effective going forward. He’s still good in run support.
Pisa Tinoisamoa, OLB, Bears. Age: 30.
Pisa Tinoisamoa missed some time with a knee scope, but otherwise had a pretty solid year as Chicago’s two-down strongside linebacker.
Keith Bulluck, OLB, Giants. Age: 34
Keith Bulluck bounced back from his knee injury and played well for the Giants this season. However, he’s an aging 34-year-old, two-down linebacker at this point in his career.
Danny Clark, OLB, Saints. Age: 34
Danny Clark was picked up in early September after being cut by the Texans. He didn’t see much action early, but ended up starting and playing well for the Saints at strongside linebacker.
Lofa Tatupu, ILB, Seahawks. Age: 28
Lofa Tatupu is no longer the elite inside linebacker he once was. Tatupu is coming off two knee surgeries and was already somewhat of a liability in coverage. Perhaps he can recover and improve his play a bit, but it’s doubtful that he’ll ever be a Pro Bowl-caliber athlete again.
Kirk Morrison, ILB, Jaguars. Age: 29.
Kirk Morrison is a decent middle linebacker who thrives in run support. He’s not terrible in coverage, but could be better in that department.
Akin Ayodele, ILB, Bills. Age: 31.
Akin Ayodele started in the second half of the year for Buffalo, and did a decent job. He can play in both the 4-3 and 3-4.
I guess it's a matter of technicalities. I don't sense any free agency splash so far, nor do I see any incoming big names. Pryor is not a big name to me. I guess Kevin Boss is a borderline big name, I guess. I don't know.
We lost two 2010 Pro Bowlers in free agency, that's sort of a reverse splash, isn't it?
FA splash...yeah right, Jethro dummied his way to a fraudulent win, though the wording is very vague. NY is actually the winner, now he won't spend his time arguing with a nutjob. Congrats NY, it will be the best year of your life. Everyone else is the loser because Jethro will never go away. He is the mirror of the Raider Org, 9 straight yrs of failure.
JONES
Raider Nate 75...
What was this in regards to..Please explain:
"all this from a guy who was not a part of the bet."
The bet was as posted...It's about adding players after the draft...The "Sup-Draft" is NOT the regular draft and comes much later and it was totally unknown at the time who would even be available in it but it was added to this process...Now I suppose that because I didn't specify "Trades" that you would try to disqualify that too!!!!
Here is the points so see if you can follow:
I had posted that Al would look to add certain positions after the draft..."CJ" -n- the other guy posted that he would NOT because the team was strapped for $$$$ and prolley couldn't even sign their own "FA"s...
I than posted to put up or shut up and made that challenge...I specified "FA"s -n- "Sup-Draft" picks who would all be added after the regular draft which had already taken place...
I than projected names of posible players as an example of who or what type of player would be targeted...
What I knew:
"QB" would be a target..."FA" -or- "Sup-Draft" pick
"WR" would be a target...
"OL" would be a target but NO names were added because it's difficult to take top quality players away from their teams...So this is high quality starters who would also be starters for the Raiders and better than what we now have...We all knew Gallery was gone at this point...
"OLB" was a target as well...Again no names but it's a little easier to get one of these "Big Name" players than "OL"...
I didn't know we would go after a new "TE" rather than to throw huge $$$ at Zack....
I didn't know we would target "S"s...
So you see this is really a very simple process...They didn't believe we would do anything and I said it would be a Splash...Obviously NOT a huge Splash like Philley or I would have specified more than just the "1 if not 2" Big Name "FA"s that would be added...
Now look I'm not stupid...I know why there is all this debate over the minor details of this challenge...And it has NOTHING to do with the Challenge itself and everything to do with disqualifying the removal of some sweetheart posters from this board...They should be happy that your willing to come to their rescue...But that's exactly how "CJ" got himself involved in all this mess when he was never even an interned target of it...
PantyRaider...Step In That Noose And Your Bound To Get Trapped!!!/_
You were too much of a coward "Judas" to partake so shut the yap!!!...Or would you like me to drag you into it now...I know a way to do just that and it's coming to a board near you!!!
Jethro, your threats are empty, you have only proven that you are a scumbag, nothing more. I won't get lured into your games, I'll just watch and comment, I know better, you can't reason with insane, you can't argue with insane. When dealing with an insane person, it's best just let them keep walking because nothing good will ever come of it. You win the MOST INSANE award, good for you, you must be so proud. Trolls are a no win, no fun adventure, you are a troll, big deal.
JONES
Re: "TP"....
“You always support a guy because he’s a teammate,” Campbell said. We’re all in this thing for one common goal, and that’s to win. You don’t know what we’re going to do with him. We may use wildcat, we may use him to do different things. Your imagination as an offense only goes as far as you think.”
OK...So now it appears that My boy (I was never for drafting him) "DHB" is showing off a little...We saw that last season in Seattle and a few other games even though most refused to acknowledge it...So if he now is developing and earns his starting position at "WR" how will all those "Haters" hang...
We know they need to have a draft pick that can be held up as the "Bust" and pimped as the stupidity of a senile old coot that should just step down and disappear...Kinda like some post I should do....Now funny that!!!...
Have no fear...They're already setting that table for my boy Pryor...The next "Bust" pimped here as the "Big Mistake"!!!...
PantyRaider...Just Ain't Happening Baby!!!/_
Did someone try to post this is NOT a big name prospect:
Regarded as the nation's top quarterback recruit coming out of high school, Pryor led Ohio State to an 8-1 record as a starter and was the Big Ten Conference's freshman of the year in 2008. He took the Buckeyes to the Big Ten title the following season and a victory in the Rose Bowl. He was named the game's MVP after Ohio State beat Oregon 26-17.
Pryor had his best season statistically as a junior in 2010, throwing for 2,772 yards and 27 touchdowns with 11 interceptions. He also ran for 754 yards and four scores while helping the Buckeyes win the Sugar Bowl.
Just imagine what his SR season could have been...
Shame on you for dissing yourself from reality...
PantyRaider...Talk About "White Noise"!!!/_
Pryor lasted until the third round in a QB-starved league because his mechanics and accuracy are questionable. Hopefully he works out, but I don't consider him a big name.
Media visibility is one thing, actual NFL worth is another. Right now, he's apparently worth a third round pick.
X-"HC" Re: "TP"....
"He's the biggest perfectionist I've ever been around," Tressel said, via cell phone from the Colts' practice field. "Football means a great deal to him, his teammates mean a great deal to him, he wants to help a franchise win, and he has one of the biggest hearts of any kid I've been around. There was a lot of pressure on him at Ohio State. We didn't expect him to start as a freshman at Ohio State, but he we needed him and he delivered. He's carried a lot of pressure. He's just a special kid."
"I think it'll be scary to see what he can do for this reason -- watching the progress (on Saturday) after he had just six weeks where all he did was football," Tressel said. "College involves going to class, doing schoolwork, and the social aspects of being that age. Now that he can do football and play quarterback 24-7, and that's really what he wants to do, his development might happen quicker than people think.
"He's as attentive as you can possibly imagine. It means a lot to him. And he's at his best when folks are doubting him and, I think, with the suspension you have that."
"I've been patient -- very patient -- and now some good things are starting to happen and I gotta take full advantage of the opportunity that I have," Pryor said. "And just believe. It's gonna take more patience, it'll be five games in and there are some great quarterbacks at the Oakland Raiders. I'm gonna try to learn off those guys and fit in as well as I can with the team."
"I think it'll be a breath of fresh air for him," Tressel said. "He was looking forward to that going to Ohio State, and then he had to go in there and help us win games, and we wound up winning the Big Ten and going to a BCS game. I think he looks forward to being under-the-radar and having something to prove."
Tressel says, "I've never seen a guy that glides like he does, that can run so fast so effortlessly. With every defense he's ever played against, pursuit angles change, because he can run around them, and he's never cut off at the pass with the ease with which he moves."
When I get there, I'll talk to them," he said. "As of right now, I'm going there as a quarterback. That's until I get there, then I'll speak to them. And whatever helps the team win, I'll speak to them, and we'll handle it."
That'll set back Pryor's progress, though he will be able to do everything but take part in team practices, even get individual on-field instruction from coaches.
Wow!!!...How can anyone not see a big name player in this one....
PantyRaider...Proud As A Pimp!!!/_
"RT"....
Others state otherwise and say had he opted for the regular NFL draft would have gone late 1st to 2nd round...So he lost $$$ by waiting while he tried to return to Ohio St for his Sr season as promised he would....
Just look at the list of "QB"s who went in the 1st 2 rounds and tell me where you would have projected Pryor with his stats in the Big 10 against top competition...
PantyRaider...Your Making A Very Foolish Argument!!!/_
What's so foolish about observing the fact that he wasn't worth more than a third round pick to any team in the QB-starved NFL? That's not big name status.
Those same experts who thought he might go in the early rounds in the regular draft were recently saying that he would likely go in the fourth or fifth round of the supp draft.
Hypotheticals don't matter to me. He's a third rounder, end of story.
Did you even realize:
Travis Goethel was a 6th rd pick last season and never a starter!!!!
"CJ"...You can't possibly be serious...
"And yes, there is an excellent chance we will sign a FA LB in the next few days with Goethel being out for the year with a torn ACL. This is not a "splash" though ... it is a reactive move to cover for an injury just like the Boss signing was no more than a reactive move to replace Miller."
WoW!!!...And you want to promote me as "Spinning" something...
PantyRaider...It's In The #'s...There's Documentation Whether Your Willing To Look Or Not!!!/_
"RT"...
It's very simple...History tells a story that's undeniable...
Did you know you have to go all the way back to '85' to find a "QB" who amounted to anything that was taken in the Sup-Draft...
"QB" Bernie Kosar 1st rd...
Sense "92" no player has gone higher than the 2nd rd...Dave Brown was taken with a 1st rd pick and a failure...So teams have greatly diminished the value of these picks as a result...
That makes it very easy to project that a player would have been selected at least one rd higher in the regular NFL draft...The overwhelming odds are in support of it...
PantyRaider...Not Quantum Mechanics Here!!!/_
Nor Quirk Science!!!
"RT"...
Than there was the 5 game suspension to scare many teams away...So the table was set for him to slide...
Come'on...You can't possibly believe that he's NOT a top tier talent looking at his records as a Jr...Others don't achieve what he has achieved as Sr's...
PantyRaider...Now Your Really Reaching!!!/_
Third rounder.
If he's a top-tier QB talent, why were so many people wondering if he'd be converted to wide receiver?
Tebow had huge success in college, too. This is the NFL.
Now that Pryor is on the Raiders, of course, I hope he surprises everyone.
Until then: third rounder.
PR asked and said,
"Raider Nate 75...
What was this in regards to..Please explain:
"all this from a guy who was not a part of the bet."
The first part was in regard to my observations as someone not a part of the bet (and ongoing debate).
Explain this to me Panty, for you have changed the meaning of the bet in this post. Prior to, you posted:
"Doubt your man enough to "Put Up Or Shut Up" but I will wager that Mr Davis makes a splash in "FA" this season....
Clarification:
At least one big name player if not 2...."
To where you now say:
"The bet was as posted...It's about adding players after the draft...The "Sup-Draft" is NOT the regular draft and comes much later and it was totally unknown at the time who would even be available in it but it was added to this process..."
So free agency is anything after the draft? Since when? Why don't they then call it a "Supplemental Free Agent signing?" Again, I think your reaching for something that isn't there; even by your 2 definitions you've given TODAY about what the bet was. Free agency does not equal draft or supplemental draft.
Again, I go back to the word "splash" (ie-making a splash in free agency this offseason), would signify more than one free agent signing of any significance. I ask, where is the "splash" in whom we've signed? How have we improved from the losses of Nnamdi, Zach, Gallery, etc? The fact is we haven't. We've made no splash. I dare say we haven't even made a ripple effect.
I like ya dude, but I think you lost this bet.
"RT"...
3rd rnd "Sup-Draft" is his reality...
But to say he's not a top tier talent is rather foolish don't you think...His #'s speak otherwise....
As far as the questions go back and look at Namndi...How long was he labeled Bust...
"D-Mac"...There again the same damn thing...
"DHB"....The jury is still out but the signs are promising...
Bruce Campbell...He's pushing everyone around now so what gives there...
You know as well I me that all those so called NFL Experts and self appointed Analyst are usually full of shit!!!...
Or do you now believe the "News you can't use"....
PantyRaider...He Said She Said But They Were Never Even There!!!/_
I posted his "HC"s takes because that man was actually there...
What I said is I don't think he's a big name. His draft slot confirms it.
He may have been a big name in the past. Maybe in the future. Right now? Not to me.
Raider Nate 75...
Now your really pointless in this process...The "Sup-Draft" was included right form the beginning and NEVER withdrawn...Anything posted after that fact was merely attempting to define or explain what was going on sense you came into this process towards the end and have no knowledge unless your going to go back over the past 3-4 threads and read every damn word...
So like I asked...Trades are also NOT "FA"s...Would you also attempt to disqualify a big name player being traded to the Raider???
Go back and look at the date that this started and it's players who are added threw the process of "FA"s -n- "Sup-Draft" and even though not stated Trades too!!!
PantyRaider...I Think You Not Engaging Your Noodle!!!/_
Funny "RT"...
I was under the impression the the 1st 3 rounds are the higher rounds...
4th -n- 5th mid rounds...
6th -n- 7th late rounds...
If a 3rd rd pick has such little value than why all the fuss if we blow one...Like that "DE" that was a 3rd rd pick and let go to cut down to the 53 man roster by Lance...Ya know the one that got so much belligerency here on this board!!!...
PantyRaider...Now A 3rd Is Officially Diminished!!!/_
So free agency is anything after the draft? Since when?
Sense this season when the "FA" period was delayed and came after the NFL Draft...
You're still balking at my question, nor have you provided a full context of the actual bet. You keep giving bits and pieces. How can you say that I need to go back to the day this all started, when I don't know when that was?
How can you say I'm misconstruing what actually took place when you haven't given me the whole picture?
Why is it up to me to do this, when you're the one who is claiming you're right and everyone else is wrong? Based on the information you've given us about what the bet was/is, I'm saying you've lost.
Until you can completely clarify ALL the details of the bet, my position and comments stand. You haven't proven anything because you haven't given the full picture. It's not up to me to go through all of your ramblings to pinpoint the actual bet. You know where it's at, you bring ALL the details of it in.
Trades are not a splash in free agency. Free Agency means that the player has no ties to a team, and is signed only at a contractual expense. Not giving another player up to gain one. Nor is it drafting a college player into your team.
Here it is again in it's entirety...Just as posted several time before...
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Blogger PantyRaider said...
Doubt your man enough to "Put Up Or Shut Up" but I will wager that Mr Davis makes a splash in "FA" this season....
Clarification:
At least one big name player if not 2....
Projected Possibilities:
"QB"s...Vince Young/Carson Palmer
"WR"s...Vincent Jackson/Plaxaco Burris
"OT"....________________________
"OLB"...________________________
"Sup-Draft"...Slash Pryor
8:12 AM
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Raider Nate 75...Please!!!
"Trades are not a splash in free agency. Free Agency means that the player has no ties to a team, and is signed only at a contractual expense. Not giving another player up to gain one. Nor is it drafting a college player into your team."
You can't add one unless you 1st subtract one...
53 man roster...That's a limited list..
Active Game Roster....That also a limited list...
Starting Roster...That's also a limited list although sometimes a team may list 2 "RB"s as starters or 3 "WR"s because of the "O" they run....Maybe even 2 "TE"s...
Depth Chart!!!
Wrong!!!..."FA" is also the signing of your own RFA's -n- URFA's but was omitted for this challenge saying it was only "New" "FA"s....
If we make a big name trade and someone attempts to deny this as part of this challenge I will crap my pants for sure...That would be total "BS" to be sure...
PantyRaider...Why Argue Something Without All The Facts!!!/_
Raider Nate 75...
Lets make things easy here...Look at the list I posted in that challenge: Very Simple -n- Apparent Deductions...
"QB" Carson Palmer:
He is not a "FA" so the only way he was coming to the Raiders is Via trade....Or he's released outright which isn't going to happen...
"WR" Vincent Jackson:
Again not a URFA so only by trade was he going to be available...Again no way "SD" was going to just release him and let him walk...
So by very simple deduction Trades are also part of this process...
It doesn't matter how that players are added...Whether by Trade/pick or "FA" signings...It's about adding new high quality...Top Tier...Big Name Players to our roster...
PantyRaider...Cry-Many!!!...This Was So Simple...Why Make It So Complex!!!/_
"CJ"...
Point Of Order!!!
This challenge was posted to you in it's entirety...You accepted it as such making no further demands beyond it being "2" and that they be "Starters"...As per your comments on this board...
At NO time did you ever dispute the inclusion of the Sup-Draft nor Terrlele Pryor's name...
Never!!!...Even though I continually posted reference to him as part of this challenge....
It wasn't until after the fact that you posted he was not inclusive...After he was included in the "Sup-Draft" and the Raiders selected him with their 3rd rd pick...
So NO!!!...You can't just squirm out of it now...It is what it is and there is NO escape just as I posted to you there would be NO escape!!!...
So deal with it...Man up like you accused me of failing to do!!!
It's all on you now...
PantyRaider...The Agony Of Defeat!!!/_
"It doesn't matter how that players are added...Whether by Trade/pick or "FA" signings...It's about adding new high quality...Top Tier...Big Name Players to our roster..."
Has this happened? Or only in Jethro's world? He says Pryor is top tier, then why is he projected to be a WR? He quotes his STATS and says "see, he is a top QB". Meanwhile, the rest of the world is casting him as a a project.
Claims Boss is as good as Miller because he was a "5th rec who had almost as many catches", yet, the rest of the world looks at it like a downgrade at TE. I'm telling you people, the guy is WACKO, you can't reason or argue with it. NY won the bet, he has left and will no longer have to deal with the circle of stupidity.
All that matters is wins, until then, Sideshow Jethro is just an illusion. Give us wins, give us a team that we can be proud of, nothing else matters.
JONES
PR,
Below are 2 of your recent posts. The first one proves you have no clue about the purpose of free agency. The second post shows that you need to pack your stinkin' bags;
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"You can't add one unless you 1st subtract one...
53 man roster...That's a limited list.."
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Completely false. When free agents are added to a team it is well before the 53 man roster is finalized.
The idea of making a splash in free agency is to add top tier talent to your ALREADY existing base of players AND then trim it down to 53.
In other words, you bring in additional talent which creates a higher caliber of players to make roster decisions on.
Example: A team going into free agency has a loose depth chart based on players under contract. When player A is signed as a free agent, the depth chart is reconfigured.
Let's use our existing WR Depth chart to illustrate this point.
Schillens
Murphy
Ford
Moore
DHB
Miller
If the Raiders signed WR Santonio Holmes, an unrestricted free agent this off-season, we would have added a top tier player who would have been a #1 or #2 WR on our depth chart BEFORE any of the above listed WRs were cut.
"You can't add one unless you 1st subtract one..." is complete FALSE.
When free agent are signed the average team has 80+ men on the roster. It isn't until early Sept., well after free agency, that it is whittled down to 53.
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"This challenge was posted to you in it's entirety...You accepted it as such making no further demands beyond it being "2" and that they be "Starters"...As per your comments on this board..."
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The post above is hilarious as you hang the noose around your own neck. Point Blank: Are you implying that Pryor is a "Starter"?! Too funny for words.
Sayonara さようなら
"CJ"...
WRONG and really DUMB!!!..
#1...Freeagency lasts throughout the season long after the 53 man roster has been finalized...There is also a "Trade Deadline" that has a definite ending time...The trade period begins about the same time as "FA"...
"NFL Trading Period opened August 4, 2011 - 4 pm est. NFL Trade Free Agency Period opened August 5, 2011."
"09"...Feb. 27 -- Free agency begins. Trading period begins.
#2...We have all agreed to end this thing when that 53 man roster is finalized and the starting roster has been established week #1...Thus when that roster has been limited!!!
#3...During this period many names appear on the roster that will never be on any roster in the NFL...But there are already a very limited # of these new players and some old players that are even expected to make this team...Now as one is added such as Terelle Pryor than one potential roster spot for some bubble players is removed....
#4...The Depth Charts is already taking shape and does NOT contain all the names of players presently on our roster...NO...It only contains the names of potential players likely to make this team...Some 67 names out of some 90 names on our current roster!!
http://www.raiders.com/team/depth-chart.html
This:
"Are you implying that Pryor is a "Starter"?!"
Absolutely!!!...Not only a starter but a champion in the process....One who has posted outstanding results only as a Jr...
Are you somehow trying to deny him his just due...Trying to deny his 31-n-4 record and 2 MVP's???...More than any "QB" on our roster has ever accomplished!!!..
Ya Right!!!...And this is all you got!!!That's it!!Your entire arsenal!!!All your justifications for weaseling out on what you signed off on while telling me I failed to "Man-Up"!!!...
You the one who posts that an injury to a 6th rd pick sends the Raiders into a tail spin spiral forcing the acquisition of replacement "LB"s....Than tries to represent a 3rd rd pick as nothing less than unspectacular!!!
PantyRaider...Wake Up Jack!!!....You Be Doomed To Failure!!!/_
09/23/2010 Signed S Stevie Brown and LB Quentin Scott to the practice squad, released LB Slade Norris from the practice squad
09/29/2010 LB Alex Joseph signed to practice squad
10/05/2010 LB Bruce Davis signed to active roster from San Francisco's practice squad
11/16/2010 Signed WR Damola Adeniji to the practice squad
11/24/2010 Signed DE/LB Jarvis Moss
12/15/2010 Signed DT David Howard to practice squad
12/22/2010 Signed P Danny Baugher to practice squad
News Tid-Bits:
Hagan has switched to number 80 reports are this means two things
Hagan close to making the 53 man roster and TP will be number 6
Kirk has signed with the Bills
Vittorio
Heard good theory re T Pryor. Won’t be here until after camp breaks Friday so Raiders can work him out in private, when practices are closed
PR,
I find it amusing that you would be ignorant enough to act like Pryor is going to be a starter this year (or any year quite frankly).
As I posted earlier, it would be reasonable to assume he is currently ranked #4 on the QB depth chart (even though teams only typically carry 3 QBs) and #10 on the WR depth chart (even though teams only typically carry 6 WRs)
How on green's earth can you say Pryor is a starter? On what planet are you living on? Debating with you is pointless.
In simple terms;
The Raiders did NOT make a free agent splash.
Pigs will fly before Pryor is a starter in 2011.
Game over. Punch your time card and promptly leave the building.
Cheers, CJ
"CJ"...
I'm amused that you think "FA" ends the day our 53 man roster is established....Looks like you have failed to carry that one any further so an unacknowledged "V" on my part!!!
There will be only one "Slash" position on our roster and Pryor will be that man...That than makes him the Starter at "Slash"...
I never posted he would be the starting "QB" this season...I posted that would eventually be Trent Edwards....I never posted that Pryor would even be listed at "WR" so when did you get the idea that I pimped him to start there???...
Nice to see your amused at yourself...If it's amusing to you to be a Weasel!!!
PantyRaider...Don't Ever Post To Me To Man-Up When You Have Failed So Miserably Yourself!!!/_
WOW! Making trades is signing a free agent? Really?
Dictionary.com defines free agent as:
"a professional athlete who is not under contract and is free to auction off his or her services and sign a contract with the team that offers the most money."
It also defines a trade as:
"an exchange of items"
It also defines draft as:
"To take, or select"
How are these 3 similar? Where in the post did you claim that trades and supplemental draft were a part of this? Just because you wanted them to add Pryor? Again, not a "Free Agent signing."
That's what I love about you Panty; you can BS anything you want and believe the BS you trying to feed everyone else. It's like watching a dog chase it's tail. It's comical and sad at the same time. You want to laugh at the absurdity of it all; and at the same time you don't want him to hurt himself.
Raider Nate 75..
Do you need glasses or are you just playing the "Blind Man" for attention???
How many more ways are you going to ask the same damn question???
Projected Possibilities:
"QB"s...Vince Young/Carson Palmer
"WR"s...Vincent Jackson/Plaxaco Burris
"OT"....________________________
"OLB"...________________________
"Sup-Draft"...Slash Pryor
Did you see this:
"Sup-Draft"...Slash Pryor
Plain as day!!!
"a splash in "FA" this season...."
"FA" is short for "Free Agency"...This time period also includes the "Trade" period and the Sup-Draft...It's now all crammed into a small segment of time with several things simultaneously going on while before it would be a separate "RFA" period and a separate "FTFA"period as well as a separate "UDFA" period...But NOT this season...
Stop playing stupid!!!
Speculation Has Surfaced: Raiders may be expecting "LB" Ray Lewis to be cut....
Congrats Jack...Your about to earn yourself the "Liar Tag"...
Blogger Calico Jack said...
PR - I'm in. I will stop visiting this site for 1 complete year if the Raiders sign 2 big name free agents who are legit starters.
"CJ" said:
"And since that time, PR has weaseled, delayed, and attempted to fillerbuster out of the bet. Sad."
NO...As it turns out you fit that description completely!!!
What started this thing: Remember...
I said:
Well now add to this a new report setting the Cap closer to $130 Mil according to LaCanfora today...
Than subtract about $17 Mil in Nam's "Dead Money" and we be in a nice position before all that maneuvering ever starts....Instead of some $10 Mil over maybe as much as $25 Mil under....
And "Some" were ready to start crying...Before the toss of a single coin no doubt!!!....
So time to post my official shopping list:
"FA"s...
"QB"..."VY"...As "RT" pointed out present company is very unexciting..."VY" will keep things exciting without a doubt...
"WR"....Plaxaco because Damn!!!...We don't have a #1 to go with our young #2's....
Supplemental Draft:
"QB" Slash....Pryor...
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Now it appears I was dead on with my takes...We were NOT strapped by Cap $$$ and we did go after 2 "QB"s and 2 "WR"s threw "FA" -n- the "Sup-Draft" just like I speculated we would....
Now lets see how "CJ" did on his perspectives on this season:
Blogger Calico Jack said...
Also, according to Yahoo Sports, the Raiders are the most over the cap:
Oakland Raiders: $14.9 million
Dallas Cowboys: $13.9 million
Pittsburgh Steelers: $10.3 million
New York Giants: $6.1 million
Minnesota Vikings: $4.3 million
Indianapolis Colts: $1.8 million
Baltimore Ravens: $1.8 million
Trimming $14.9M AND signing key free agents like TE Miller and CB Asomugha will be very tough.
Sure the Raiders find a way with some trick cap management BUT the reality is that we it is highly unlikely we will be in a position to add key exteranl free agents.
I hate to sound like a broken record but the contracts handed out to Seymour, Routt, and Wimbley seem like BAD business.
Blogger Calico Jack said...
Personally, I would be absolutely SHOCKED if we are able to sign 1 single BIG name external FA. I'm just hoping we are able to hold on some of our key internal FAs like TE Miller.
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Now did anything "CJ" was crying about ever materialize....NO it did NOT!!!/_
This was totally about $$$$...His take was that my team could not sign/draft/trade to acquire any new "FA" starters because of the Salary Cap Constraints...Period!!!
He was wrong but not honest enough to admit it...
Now "CJ" posts this:
Blogger Calico Jack said...
The Pryor signing will receive plenty of ink, generate water cooler conversations, and hype but it boils down to a guy who will make zero impact in 2011.
If he is able to make more than 5 positive plays in the entire 2011 season, I would be shocked.
The best to hope for is that Pryor applies himself diligently over the course of the next 18 months to eventually become a legit pass catcher, wild cat/trick player/slash specialist.
His chances of becoming an NFL signal caller are remote at best.
As of right now, I would rate Pryor as our #4 QB and #10 WR on the depth chart.
The true risk to reward proposition is more based on whether or not Pryor can be a legit, contribution NFL player (at any position) in 2013 at the earliest.
The other serious consideration is whether or not a good NFL player is cut to make room for Pryor on the 53 man roster.
Some have thrown out Boller, Edwards, Schillens as guys to cut to free up space for Pryor. Really?
The 1st 2 guys mentioned are legit NFL back up QBs who have started NFL games, are mechanically sound, and understand the fine nuances of playing the most difficult position in football. Schillens might be injury prone but at least when healthy, he is proven NFL receiver.
Blogger Calico Jack said...
A 3rd round supplemental draft pick project who likely won't pan out....
But here is want he posted on another thread regarding this same player and the "Sup-Draft":
Blogger Calico Jack said...
If the Raiders organization ever bothered to develop a young QB over a reasonable period of time, then that would be beneficial and encouraging.
Blogger Calico Jack said...
My view on the QB position is simple. You have 3 QBs on the roster.
QB1 is the clear cut starter.
QB2 can come in off the bench and has the experience to get you a win and take the reins if necessary for a stretch of games.
QB3 should be a young QB who is being developed as a potential starter for the future.
I don't have confidence in either Boller or Frye as QB2 and they are not long term, developmental QBs (scratch QB3).
If Campbell lays an egg this year, going into 2012 we would be at ground zero for the QB position.
Blogger Calico Jack said...
"The smart thing would be to find a young upstart to be the 3rd QB behind a veteran No.2."
I agree 100%.
Blogger Calico Jack said...
PR,
I don't have any problems whatsoever if the Raiders take Terrell Pryor in the supplemental draft IF it is a long term project where Pryor is truly groomed and developed to become the potential starter down the road.
The cost and athletic upside of Pryor would minimize the risk as long as reasonable expectations are established by the organization and coaching staff. 2013/2014 (or later) would be a sensible targeted goal.
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Can you find the obvious slants being run by the board here...
"Some have thrown out Boller, Edwards, Schillens as guys to cut to free up space for Pryor. Really?
The 1st 2 guys mentioned are legit NFL back up QBs who have started NFL games, are mechanically sound, and understand the fine nuances of playing the most difficult position in football."
But before he said:
"I don't have confidence in either Boller or Frye as QB2 and they are not long term, developmental QBs (scratch QB3)."
Wow!!...Maybe that was a Reverse Slant" he was running on this board!!!
In one breath he pimps signing a young developmental "QB" and like Pryor as such but now when his drafting signifies he had to depart this board he projects his a a guy who will never even make it as a "QB"....
Now how close do you want to walk that line between mistakes and LIES!!!....
PantyRaider...Always Moving Those Rubber Walls!!!/_
"CJ" said:
"Personally, I would be absolutely SHOCKED if we are able to sign 1 single BIG name external FA."
Thus I posted:
At least one big name player if not 2....
While stipulating this was included:
"Sup-Draft"...Slash Pryor
As it has turned out:
#1..."TE" Keven Boss
#2...Pryor taken in Sup-Draft just as stipulated
Possible additions already signed:
"QB" Trent Edwards who may yet win the starting job...
"WR" Derek Hagan who may yet win the starting job...
"SS" Josh Bullocks
"FS" Matt Giordano...One of which may win the starting job...
"G" Heyer who may yet win the starting job...
But what does Jack do...Squirm and move his "Rubber Walls" to the opposite side of the room to make it appear like he was good on this one when clearly he was BAD!!!!
Than in preparation for what could be a big name "FA" "LB" addition he starts pimping the injury to a 6th rd pick as a devastating loss requiring an immediate replacement ignoring the facts that I have kept this board up to date on the reports that the Raiders are still looking at Tatupu and some unknown big name player...
Than today it surfaces that the Raiders may be expecting Ray Lewis to be released...Why...Perhaps because they have had trade talks and know he's being shopped around!!!
PantyRaider....Like A Frighted Little Boy Hiding In The Dark!!!/_
But than this was done 3 weeks ago:
Raiders | Darryl Blackstock signed
Wed, 03 Aug 2011 11:51:58 -0700
The Oakland Raiders have signed free-agent LB Darryl Blackstock (Bengals) to a one-year deal. Financial terms were not disclosed.
4 yr player with 4 sacks...Golly Gee that's more experience than the 6th rounder who was injured!!!
Guess you missed that!!!
PantyRaider....Abandon Ship!!!...All Is Lost!!!/_
Now it's really funny how it's turning out...Who'd a thunk!!!
The man I would never have believed to be able to "Man-Up" did just that...NO tears...NO big arguments against it...NO squirming to try to deny the reality that was...Just a willingness to be legit and "Man-Up" as a man should...
Conversely the one I had expected would "Man-Up" easily is the one doing all that squirming...Crying those big "Crocodile Tears"!!...Trying to find fault with what he signed off on while in denial that he even signed off on it...Contested what he never contested before and pimping a total reversal of his previous posts regarding the player that is Pryor and his potential position as future "QB" in order to diminish the reality a hand...
Than to be even more ignorant even attempts to post that I have somehow lost and should vacate for him???...Wow!!...If that ain't a stretch!!!....
It went down exactly as I said it would but I'm the looser!!!...What planet did you get crapped off on!!!
Top Tier "FA" "TE" Keven Boss -n- Starter
Top Tier "Sup-Draft" Pick "QB" Terrelle Pryor
Just as I pimped repeatedly and turned out to be completely correct on...
So...For what it's worth...NYRaider has earned my respect and likewise should have earned the same from any other poster who visits this board...
To the contrary...Should "CJ" continue in his present course of denial he will have earned nothing but my scorn while presenting nothing worth respecting...Just as he puts it..."White Noise"!!...Hot Air is all that he is revealing himself to be...
NYRaider is a Man of his word...
"CJ" to date YOU are NOT!!!
PantyRaider....Avast -n- Hard Over Your Traversing Hazardous Seas!!!/_
Giants | Darius Heyward back at practice
Wed, 24 Aug 2011 23:02:42 -0700
New York Giants WR Darius Reynaud (hamstring) was able to return to practice Wednesday, Aug. 24.
Read more: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl#ixzz1W2gi8sQc
Wow!!!...This is funny...When I saw it I thought we had made a trade but it's just "Mediot" failure typing with both thumbs!!!
LoL!!
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#100....
Panty,
How many times are you going to say the same thing? All I am saying is that FA (that's short for Free Agency), Trades, and Drafts are different. You cannot, by definition of the 3; call them the same thing. I don't care if they run in the same time frame, the bottom line is they are 3 different types of transactions.
Now if you said, "Al Davis will make a splash in offseason transactions." Then that would cover Draft, Trades, FA (again, short for Free Agency), Supplemental Draft, and non-roster invites. But you didn't! You made the bet, "FA (for the third time, short for FREE AGENCY) splash." You limited yourself, and by putting Terrelle Pryor in your comment, does not signify it as a FA (meaning Free Agency) splash; just by the definition of the bet and the definition of Supplemental Draft not being FA (5th time, FREE AGENCY) signing.
You lost your own bet, pack up and go home; because even with Pryor, the Raiders did not make a splash.
Raider Nate 75...
I am home!!!...
So now your suddenly the self appointed "Board Monitor" correcting terminology down to it's finest details???...Well put on your thinking cap and evaluate the obvious implications here!!!
The inclusion of a "Sup-Draft" pick was a proper depiction of the "Sup-Draft" being included...
The enumeration of 3 Non-FA's was also the proper depiction of trades being included...
Vince Young had not yet been released so was not yet a "FA" even though it was known he would soon be one.....
Carson Palmer -n- Vincent Jackson have yet to become "FA"s or be traded...
The only player listed who was a "FA" was Plaxico Burris who was released from prison and hadn't run a play in 2 full seasons...
Now!!..As you go back and review the news articles you will discover headlines like:
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Free-agent feeding frenzy looming in NFL
the league will have no choice but to implement a shotgun period of free agency for teams to fill out their rosters.
On the trade front, Kevin Kolb’s as good as gone from Philadelphia, while the Denver Broncos will entertain offers for Kyle Orton if they believe Tim Tebow’s truly the real deal. One other quarterback to keep an eye on is Carson Palmer, who has vowed not to take another snap for the Cincinnati Bengals despite being under contract.
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Ravens Brace For Free Agent Feeding Frenzy
In a story from the Carroll County Times, the veteran cornerback feels that teams should be given the first shot at re-signing their own free agents, then go after the veteran free agents and finally the undrafted free agents.
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Your NFL Free Agency Feeding Frenzy Update
After a flurry of rookies were signed yesterday, NFL teams can now start negotiating contracts with veteran free agents. Former Seahawk Matt Hasslebeck has been signed by the Titans. The Vikings are reportedly close to trading for former Redskin Donovan McNabb. Former Viking Tarvaris Jackson is now a Seahawk (and will be earning $8 million over the next two seasons, which is a lot for a mediocre quarterback). Alex Smith will stay with the 49ers. No movement yet on Kevin Kolb (the rumor is Arizona) or Kyle Orton. Vince Young also remains for a team to sign.
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What the NFL free agent frenzy was like
Consider that the lockout forced the league to conduct business backward in 2011. Usually, free agency is just about done by the time the draft occurs in late April. As soon as the three-day grab bag of college talent ends at Radio City Music Hall, teams scurry to sign undrafted players.
None of that happened as normally scheduled, of course, with the free agency dynamics the most affected.
this was the most complex two-week transaction period football — and perhaps any sport — has seen.
"We may never see a free agency period like this again
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Now please notice that trades are also included when talking about this year's "FA" Period..Transaction period...So unless of course you now intend to go around correcting everyone else in the sports Media I suggest you leave this one alone...Your just showing a lack of football intelligence and will ultimately embarrass yourself...
PantyRaider...All Inclusive Under These Circumstances!!!/_
No Panty, just like you; I am stating my opinion and evaluation of the situation; and commenting on the argument. I do so from a spectator standpoint; as you do it from the standpoint of having something to win/lose.
I don't think you won. Even with TP and Boss. We haven't made a splash as much as you want to indicate we have. I think (based on what we've observed so far) that we will not improve our 8-8 record from last year. Which a splash would indicate that we have made moves to improve on that record. Our pass defense has caught up to our run defense, in that it has major holes yet to be filled. Again, I'm making an opinionated statement; I don't think by your own standards of the bet; that you won. Sorry, nothing personal, I just don't see it our offseason as a "splash"; but more like a 3-and-out drive.
Raider Nate 75...
The word "Splash" was finally defined as "2 New Top Tier FA Starters" -or- "1 New Top Tier FA Starter -n- 1 Top Tier Sup-Draft Pick" which makes "2"...
Now whether you consider "2" as being a "Splash" has no bearing on this...That's just your opinion...
Now as for this:
"we will not improve our 8-8 record from last year."
Care to make a wager!!..
I already posted that we will be 11-n-5 AFCW Champs....
But I'm more than willing to wager that we will win at least (Minimum of) 10-n-6 this season and contenders for the AFCW....
Furthermore I will wager that Hue will still be our "HC" threw the 2012 season...
I will even wager that Trent Edwards wins the starting "QB" position this season...
I will wager that Pryor makes his way on the field in the regular season and produces more than the 5 positive plays that "CJ" pimped as his ceiling....He will impress..
I will wager that our "D" is improved over last season...Overall...Better against the run and still good against the pass...
Now any takers???
PantyRaider...Put Up Or Shut Up!!!/_
Clarification:
The word "Splash" was finally defined as "2 New Top Tier FA Starters" -or- "1 New Top Tier FA Starter -n- 1 Top Tier Sup-Draft Pick" which makes "2"...
Two transactions that produce "2 Top Tier Players" similar to the names I posted on my challenge...
Carson Palmer
Vince Young
Vincent Jackson
Plaxico Burris
Terrelle Pryor
Now Keven Boss is very competitive with that grope and Pryor was named directly...
PantyRaider...Nothing More To Argue!!!/_
Ravens | Domonique Foxworth could be traded
Thu, 25 Aug 2011 08:43:44 -0700
The Baltimore Ravens are reportedly thinking about trading CB Domonique Foxworth. Foxworth is scheduled to earn $7 million this year and may not start. When the lockout ended, Foxworth alluded he would not be surprised if the team traded or released him.
Domonique Foxworth
5'11" 180#s
5 NFL Seasons
246 Tackles
32 Assists
8 Int's
3 Forced Fumbles
76 Games Played...44 Starts
No Stats for 2010 season...Coming off the "IR"....
I can't speak to all of the terms and technicalities and definitions that were agreed to.
All I can say is that, by my own definition, the Raiders did not make a "splash" in free agency and the supp draft. Not even close.
In free agency, we lost two 2010 pro bowlers. The biggest name we got in return is Kevin Boss.
And we drafted a project in the third round of the supp draft.
If you were to ask any objective observer which teams made a splash with personnel moves in the NFL over the past month, the Raiders would not be mentioned.
That's my take.
Why would I wager with you? Even if I won, you wouldn't admit it. Every since I commented about my opinion of the wager made; you have changed what was actually wagered 4 times!
It went from a top tier free agency list, to a specific free agency list, to Kevin Boss should be on that list with Terrell Pryor.
I think you're wrong on all accounts, and I'm going to leave it at that. Talk all the circles you want.
I still like you, I think you're colorful and different, and my opinion about you hasn't changed; I like you, and I think you're funny. Different opinions don't bother me; I just don't understand your angle on all of this, and the more you've answered, the more confused about it I've become.
You said, "Now whether you consider "2" as being a "Splash" has no bearing on this...That's just your opinion..."
I don't think that, but rather I think we have not signed 2 players worthy to call our offseason a splash because based on your list of:
Carson Palmer
Vince Young
Vincent Jackson
Plaxico Burris
Terrelle Pryor
Kevin Boss is not a game changer like 4 of these 5 are. Terrelle Pryor hasn't proved himself to be a game changer. I'm not saying he's not, but he needs to prove it. I'd take Carson, VY, and/or Plaxico over Kevin Boss anyday; and Boss shouldn't even be discussed in the same sentence as these guys. Again, just my opinion; which I can give since the wager was made and argued publicly; and should be an opinion that matters for the same reason.
Raider Nate 75...
Sense you like looking at the fine particulars check this out:
On or around July 25th I posted this challenge and pinpointed the player's name and the exact round that he would be selected in by the Raiders...3rd rd as a "QB"...
Now this was before any "Sup-Draft" was even scheduled and well before the NFL ruled that Pryor would be eligible...
One month ago today!!!
I even posted it as one of the nanes in that challenge...There can be NO mistaking this as true...
Now "NYRaider has "Maned-Up" as a man should and taken his suspension without tears...But "CJ" whines like a little girl demanding that he was under a different set of rules than any of the rest of us!!!...NOT a chance!!!..No mater how long he portrays himself as that lost little boy hiding in the corner because he can't play fare with the rest of the kids....
We all play by the same damn rules...You just can't have it any other way...You don't get to twist everything to fit your own pockets...That's a sissy!!!
I had already been willing to concede that with the 5 game suspension and other teams interested that I may not get my pick and be forced to concede the loss...I posted as such in my closing comments...
But alas Mr Davis came threw and showed that I was right about him...He loved this pick as much or more than me...This now makes the 3rd pick that I Have called correctly on this board...
"JePurpleDrank"....I take credit for being his worthless Pimp!!!
"D-Mac"...Proud to have had the honor to Pimp that boy...
Pryor...Yes!!!...This was huge...I'm his official Pimp!!!
PantyRaider...Undeniably True...He Was Called By Name/Position -n- Round...No Way Out Of That One "CJ"!!!/_
"RT"...
Understood...By your definition that's how you see it...But the Top Tier "G" -n- 2 "PB"ers we lost is "BS" on your part...
#1...Gallery...You were down on him as a Bust!!..We all knew he was gone of his own desire and would not return...The Raiders were never going to even try to resign him...So that one is a illegitimate as they come...
Instead what we did is go out and try to upgrade what we had left and that's how this thing should be graded......
#2...Namndi....Here again he was gone and we were told so long before this "FA" period began...The Raiders again made no attempt to resign him...
#3....Zack...This was a surprise but also due to the fact that the new CBA set him free...We thought he was locked up by the tenders that were extended to him...But that was not the case and he was expensive...So we let him go and signed Boss for a fraction of the cost...Saving enough to go out and sign other Vet players....
So in my opinion these losses were already predetermined by forces outside the Raiders and we went in another direct as a result...
PantyRaider...The Subtraction Does Not Add Up!!!/_
Raider Nate 75...
Bull Shit!!!
It's posted and very damn clear...Anyone with half a brain could understand this...It's NOT as complicated as your trying to make it...
But I disagree with you on this list:
Carson Plamer..."QB" Rate 82...Malco9ntent who refuses to play even though he's still under contract...
Vince Young...Has only posted well in one season and has not finished one complete season to date...Was kicked off his team due to misconduct...
Vincent Jackson...When he finally developed he became a malcontent who refused to play or show up holding out while still under contract....Played for less than a full season in 2011 as a result...
Plaxico Burris...Spent the past 2 season in jail and hasn't taken a regular season snap sense...
Terrelle Pryor...Lit things up in college proving to be a winner -n- top talent but his off field activities got him suspended and available for the "Sup-Draft"...
Now you look at Keven Boss...
Stand up citizen...Has had NO problems on or off the field...Wears a "SB" rig that he helped win....1st alternate "PB"er...Similar production to Zack even though he was only the #5 receiver on his team....Signed at less that half the price....
I would have to say Boss is better than anyone in that grope...But also these are all players that I wanted knowing they could help and were about to be available...No sense posting Manning or Breeze who could not be had for most the tea in China!!!
PantyRaider...Small Stones Still A Splash Make!!!/_
I repeat: if you were to ask any objective, impartial observer which teams made a "splash" with personnel moves in the NFL over the past month, the Raiders would not be mentioned.
So it looks like our Top Tier (cough) FA signing is out two to six weeks.
I know in the pre-season clubs rarely disclose injuries, but does anybody know what's wrong with Boss? J-Mac said he was cycling furiously on the stationary bike during practice a couple days ago.
My two cents on the "bet". Technically speaking PR won. However from any logical or emotional level the Raiders did not make a splash in the FA market in the off season so far.
Boss was a lateral move, at best, from Miller.
Potential does not splash equal. And if you believe Pryor has the same potential as say Payton Manning, then more power to you. From everything I've read he's a physical phemon wihtout a position. And even if he does contribute in some fashion this year in the "slash" position (whatever that is) after his two weeks of camp and five game suspension... it will be extremely limited.
To me a splash would have been somehow getting the equivalent of Aaron Rodgers and DeSean Jackson. Now THAT would have been a splash! Of course your mileage may vary.
BTW I have a question for CJ or anybody else who attends home games. I haven't gone to a Raiders game in a good long time. With what happened at the Stick, how is the in game experience at the O.co? I was listening to NPR on the way into work a few days ago and Ray Ratto (of all peeps) was saying the Raiders have dealt fairly well with the rowdiness in the stands. The NFL rates a Raider game experience better than average. Just wondering what other folks thought, since I haven't gone to a game for in what seems like forever.
Never had a problem at a game myself, and I have been to many.
I've seen a few problems from afar, mainly tussles in the stands. The only parking lot fight I've seen at the Coliseum was at an A's game, not a Raiders game. I've been confronted a few times by folks who seem to be looking for trouble (ie: cutting in front of me in line, and looking at me like, what are you going to do about it? Since I have no interest in brawling for stupid reasons, the answer is: nothing). I should add that such encounters have been the exception, not the rule.
I've always found the tailgates to be quite festive and jovial and communal.
I think if you don't go looking for trouble, and if you make a common sense effort to avoid it if it comes near you, then you'll find Raiders games to be quite safe and pleasant (if quite salty in the cheering department).
RT, PR, NYR,
I think you should revise your "bet".
loser is limited to 1 post per day.
this way, no one is banned or silenced.
think about it.
Nice. Problem is, no one can agree who won.
RT,
well, ok. looks like a case for judge judy. lol.
She would be perfect for this!
"I know in the pre-season clubs rarely disclose injuries, but does anybody know what's wrong with Boss? J-Mac said he was cycling furiously on the stationary bike during practice a couple days ago..."
Boss has a hyper extended knee. He caught the ball and was hit low and his left leg was injured. The anti-Miller crowd said Miller was fragile, his replacement is just as fragile it seems.
JONES
Toni,
My game day experience has been a joy. Yes, I've witnessed a few isolated incidents of scuffles and there are constant F-Bombs of inebriated fans. However, if you mind your own business and are aware of your surroundings then there isn't any unpleasantness.
PR,
I would have no problem whatsoever with packing it in for 1 year if I genuinely believe I lost the bet.
The best take-away from the countless comments on the bet is RTs which removes all subjectivity;
"if you were to ask any objective, impartial observer which teams made a "splash" with personnel moves in the NFL over the past month, the Raiders would not be mentioned."
If you want to drill down to the brass tacks of the bet, the following is 100% accurate;
1. The Raiders did NOT make a splash in free agency.
2. The Raiders signed 1 big name free agent (Boss) who is a downgrade on our previous TE (Miller)
3. Pryor is a 3rd round project who has 0% chance of being a starter this year.
4. The definition and meaning of a "top tier" player is a guy who is signed that is an instant starter from day one.
Spin it any way you want PR. You are welcome to huff and puff your chest out all you want but it will have no bearing on my moral values or sense of right and wrong. Deal with it because I'm not going anywhere.
Cheers, CJ
QB Terrelle Pryor with the Raiders, set to sign 4-year contract
http://www.ibabuzz.com/oakland
raiders/2011/08/25/qb-terrelle-pryor-with-the-raiders-set-to-
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On a lesser note, for those of us who like useless news now and again. Russell heading back to school......lol
http://www.lostlettermen.com/8-8-2011-jamarcus-russell-back-to-school/
Raiders | Terrelle Pryor agrees to terms
Thu, 25 Aug 2011 17:18:45 -0700
The Oakland Raiders have agreed to terms with supplemental draft choice QB Terrelle Pryor on a four-year deal. Financial terms were not disclosed.
Read more: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl#ixzz1W6B2bFn3
“Pryor gets a $586,000 signing bonus from the Raiders, per league source.”
heres more
“Pryor contract info: 4 years for $2.7 mil (minus $117,000 5-game suspension) w/ incentives last three years worth another $122,000. "
TP is in Napa with the Raiders right now
@PGutierrezCSN
Just told by sources that #TerrellePryor is in Napa with #Raiders
Toni...
I didn't make a game this past season like I wanted but have no fear of going...The biggest challenge for me is the damn smoke in the stands...Not just tobacco....I hate that crap and don't intend to be around it making contact in the slightest fashion...
As "RT" pointed out if your not looking for trouble you won't find it...
Now I'm NOT the calm type and get into it with virtually every foreign fan I see...But that's done in humor...Load but with laughter and I welcome them in the end telling them they should be proud of having the intestinal fortitude of wearing their own colors...Nothing has ever resulted in any confrontations outside of humor...
What happened in "SF" was despicable and had NOTHING to do with football...This was just punks who were looking for targets...The likelihood of this happening again is not slim...Once something like this get's national attention and causes the damages that this has caused other ignorant punks will want their 15 ticks of fame too....The cancellation of these games was stupid and I believe just stoked the fires that will proceed...Now a president is set and they will target shutting down other games as well...
This danger will most likely be at night time venues outside the parking lots....I take the Bart so between the stadium and Bart could be a target area...So that's something to be aware of but not to fear to the point of not attending...Just a heads-up....
Your right in that this season has not produced much activity...Not much splash in anything...But I'm happy with things we got...Pryor is huge for me...Derek Hayden is going to be a good producer as well....Boss will be great at "TE" for us...I believe Trent Edwards will win the starting "QB" job...One of our new "s"s will contribute and more is on the way...
Add this to a roster that should have been 10-n-6 last season and I'm feeling damn good about my team....
PantyRaider....No Tears!!!/_
"CJ"...
Your a punk!!!
Had I not gotten Pryor you would have been pushing my ass out that door just like you were trying to do before the "Sup-Draft" allowed him in and took place....
Than now knowing full well that his name was part of this you "Punk-Out" like a freakin wimp!!!
Your a LIAR!!...You earned it!!!..Do yourself proud!!...
Don't you ever come off with any more of your damn stupid crap slamming anything about Al Davis about keeping his word or me ever again because I will always throw this Crap back up in your face and post it in CyberSpace exposing you for what you are...
A cowardly LIAR -n- Hypocrite!!!
A Sham!!
You earned it!!!
More deals will follow and every one will just pile up on top of your head as an example of your cowardice -n- stupidity!!!
PantyRaider....NO Man Would Act Like That!!!/_
"RT"...
Your misinformed..
I agree and obviously "NYRaider also agrees that the challenge/bet as outlined was won by me...
It's only the one Punk-Ass that's in denial while hiding in the corner like a little girl!!!...
But you know damn well that had Pryor not been allowed into the Sup-Draft and selected by my team that both you and Jack would have been escorting me to that door...So don't lie about that now...
PantyRaider...Simple As Simple Can Be!!!/_
PR,
Your internet tough guy act is wearing old and thin.
You calling me a "punk ass", a "liar", a "little girl" etc. is some rich stuff.
You trying to bully me off this board is laughable.
You constantly trying to provoke and cause confrontations is completely unnecessary and undesirable for intelligent football discussions.
The last thing I would ever do is lower myself to your juvenile level.
The sad reality is that if you want to lump Pryor into the categories of "Top Tier" or "Starter" or "Big Name Free Agent", you are simply misguided, misinformed, and out of touch with the real world.
Top Tier = A starter from day one; an elite NFL player; a top player recognized by players, coaches, and fans as one of the best at his position
Starter = #1 on the depth chart
Big Name Free Agent = A proven NFL starter who has played with distinction
Pryor on all 3 counts = Nope, Nope, and Nope
Last but not least:
I'm a Raider fan and a football fan who comes to this site to debate and discuss Raider football, football personnel and strategy, be an arm chair QB about what's transpired in a game, share joy and disappointment.
You are nothing more than an internet troll and internet tough guy looking to pick an internet fight. I'm absolutely trembling in my boots!
Cheers, CJ
"TP" won't count against the "53" man roster until after his suspension ends...Therefor he has no cost in losing other players until he's ready to take the field...
I suspect at that time Kile Boller will be cut loose...NO big loss there...Trent Edwards will either be the #2 or the starter by this point of the season....This gives "TP" time to learn this "O" and work on his trowing mechanics and footwork for extra weeks without being under any pressure...Maybe that's a blessing in disguise!!!
He is our new "QB" but as Hue said he's not afraid to get him involved in some special packages...These packages will be developed during this dead time and be ready for execution in week #6...When we play Cleveland at home...That will be a nice time to showcase our new talent...Than the following week "KC" is here...
I fully expect "TP" to be involved in our "O" at this time and making several plays that are exciting to observe...
PantyRaider...The "SLASH" Lives In OakTown!!!/_
"CJ"...
NO your LIES have worn thin!!!
It is what it is..NO escape from the reality of that...No act here just the reality of what you present yourself to be....
LIAR!!!
You never had any intent on following threw with a word of what you said..It was only an opportunity for you to push me out the door which is exactly what you were trying to do with this while hiding in the corner like a little girl when it comes back to bite your weak ass!!!
The Record Of "CJ" Trying To Wiesel Out while trying to push me out:
"CJ" said:
Clearly there was never any intention of making a splash in free agency which makes this bet a complete joke.
And let's not forget who wrote a check that there mouth couldn't cash ... this ridiculous bet was all on you PR for shoving it down our throat and being confrontational about it when there was no need to do it.
10:29 PM
Blogger Calico Jack said...
Don't expect any new player coming through the doors who can make a difference in 2012.
Pryor is a long shot, project at best who has zero chance of playing QB and less than 1% chance to learn a new position (WR/Slash), play, and make an impact. An effective
"slash" player in 2013 with a full training camp? Possible.
Big trades are highly unlikely since the Raiders have very few quality draft choices to bargain with.
Sayonara さようなら
Game over. Punch your time card and promptly leave the building.
Cheers, CJ
Obviously he never had any intentions of keeping his word....Just intended to use this as a ploy to push me off and now hides in shame crying that is isn't true...
Now he says:
"Pryor is a long shot, project at best who has zero chance of playing QB and less than 1% chance to learn a new position"
But before he posted:
Blogger Calico Jack said...
PR,
I don't have any problems whatsoever if the Raiders take Terrell Pryor in the supplemental draft IF it is a long term project where Pryor is truly groomed and developed to become the potential starter down the road.
The cost and athletic upside of Pryor would minimize the risk as long as reasonable expectations are established by the organization and coaching staff. 2013/2014 (or later) would be a sensible targeted goal.
Right!!!...Now move those "Rubber Walls" while doing a complete reversal with the intent to undermine that which has taken him down...Pryor!!!....
This type of unfounded intentional complete reversal without any justification can only be understood to be an intent to LIE!!!
PERIOD!!!
This gives some incite as to who our starting depth will be at "WR"...
Hue Said:
Jacoby Ford is back out there, Darrius Heyward-Bey is doing a good job, the rookie Denarius Moore has done a fantastic job, Derek Hagan, and pretty soon we’ll get Chaz Schilens back out there. We will be at full strength here soon; I’m excited about that because there’s some very good young talent on this football team
Murphy
"DHB"
Ford
Moore
Hagan
Chaz if healthy...
#6 is yet an unknown...Depends on health...Possible replacements:
Miller
Chad Jackson
So it appears another newly signed "FA" will make this roster just as I suspected and posted...
Vet "WR" Derek Haden...
We have upgraded our "WR"s by this process...
Than add in what may happen with Pryor as a "Slash" player...
PantyRaider...Positive Moves In A Positive Direction!!!/_
The Raiders considered drafting a quarterback to groom for the future in April but didn't find the right fit. Now they have Pryor to fill that role.
Pryor is an impressive physical specimen, measuring 6-foot-5 and 232 pounds and being clocked at 4.36 seconds in the 40-yard dash at his pro day last weekend. He's also coming off his best season statistically at Ohio State, throwing for 2,772 yards and 27 touchdowns with 11 interceptions. He ran for 754 yards and four TDs while helping the Buckeyes win the Sugar Bowl.
Yup!!...My Boy will make things very exciting!!!
PantyRaider....The Pimp!!!/_
"CJ" said:
"The last thing I would ever do is lower myself to your juvenile level."
Now that's really fumy as you lowered yourself to the same level as JONES...The LIAR!!!
I guess that should have been expected from the way you threw kisses at each other while defaming Mr Davis together...
The "IAAF"er Clan in all it's glory!!!...Done yourself proud now have ya boy!!!
"CJ" posted while crying:
"And let's not forget who wrote a check that there mouth couldn't cash ..."
But well prior to the Sup-Draft I posted this setting the table for my withdrawal from this site:
Blogger PantyRaider said...
Yo!!!...Is Our Reserve $$$$$ Being Held For A Special Addition:
The thought just entered my mind that with so much interest and his good showing at his “Pro-Day” a 3rd might not be sufficient to win his services…Yikes!!!….Could Al have it in his heart to send a 1st rd pick and thus a hefty Cap hit!!!!….
We will know soon enough but I wasn’t thinking along those lines until now…I was under the impression that no team would be willing to give up even a 2nd rd pick for a player with a 5 game suspension!!!…But just how bad do you suppose Al wants this kid -n- his Strong Arm -n- Fast Feet -n- Big Hands….
PantyRaider...The Suspense Builds!!!/_
Tune in Monday for "Al's Big Score" -or- "PantyRaider finally cries in potential defeat"....
3:10 AM
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So now there it is a documented record that I was willing and prepared to walk out had my boy Pryor not been chosen by Mr Davis...Fully prepared to say by all accounts I have lost so will just walk away until something substantial develops that puts me on top....
But NO!!!...I didn't because I won thanks to the swift hand of the "GodFather" who plucked my boy up for all to see!!!....
But meanwhile back behind the "Board-o-Depression" was that one "JackLiar" plotting how he could squirm out of the entanglement that he led himself down into...YES!!!...Plotting to be a Wiesel!!!
So Wiesel is what he has become!!!
Now I have to wonder...As more time passes and more deals are made...Like maybe Tatupu added or Ray Lewis threw "FA" or trade...Will this Wiesel continue in his noncompliance with contractual agreements past posted!!!...
While Crying:
"Deal with it because I'm not going anywhere."
Cheers, CJ
NO!! DOUBT!!!!
"my moral values or sense of right and wrong"
Oh!! da Horror!!..da Pitiful Horror!!!
What freakin "Values" would that be ole "JackHypocrite"???
PantyRaider...When The Fallen Fall Too Far!!!/_
NO recovery in site!!!
Raiders | Lito Sheppard signed
Fri, 26 Aug 2011 10:07:24 -0700
The Oakland Raiders have signed free-agent CB Lito Sheppard (Vikings). Terms of the contract were not disclosed.
Read more: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/NFL?page=0#ixzz1W9rgIk3k
New take is up.
"CB" Lito Sheppard
9 Seasons
117 Games 72 Starts 2 Sacks 19 Int's 3 FF
264 Tackles 39 Assists
sounds like vet minimum
The fact both players are here is an indication they’re willing to sign for the veteran minimum — as was Sheppard’s agent saying in an e-mail to all 32 teams his client would play for such a deal.
Terrelle Pryor:
@RAIDERS OAKLAND RAIDERS
QB Terrelle Pryor suiting up for his first practice as a Raider, will wear #6
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