Zach Won't Be Back
Well, off Zach Miller goes to Seattle, where he will enjoy no shortage of rainy weather, strong coffee and leftover grunge music. As our receptions leader for the past three years, he will be sorely missed.
It seems to me that there are two priorities when a team heads into the free agency season, in this order: (1) do everything to get better; and (2) absent that, don't get worse.
How's that working out for us so far?
There's still time, but losing Asomugha was a big hit. Replacing Bruce Gradkowsi (whom some would argue was our best quarterback in years) with Trent Edward as our backup QB is a step backwards. And now our receptions leader is heading north to be with Tom Cable and Robert Gallery.
The Raiders seem to have been caught flat-footed since the free agency floodgates have opened. Don't we still need a proven veteran wide receiver to shore up the ranks, especially now that DHB is showing his frailty once again? Malcolm Floyd, Steve Smith...Even Braylon?
Anyhow, I'm just calling it like I see it. I'd love to be more positive right now. That said, there's still time.
Also, it's quite possible that these free agency hits to our roster are worse on paper than they will be on the field.
Hue Jackson's competence and energy could help us gain valuable ground. Our team could be turning the corner from teenager to adult, in terms of group maturity and experience. Being loaded with talent hasn't always been a boon to the Raiders. A true "team" can make up for a loss in talent. Hopefully, we'll prove that in 2011.
It seems to me that there are two priorities when a team heads into the free agency season, in this order: (1) do everything to get better; and (2) absent that, don't get worse.
How's that working out for us so far?
There's still time, but losing Asomugha was a big hit. Replacing Bruce Gradkowsi (whom some would argue was our best quarterback in years) with Trent Edward as our backup QB is a step backwards. And now our receptions leader is heading north to be with Tom Cable and Robert Gallery.
The Raiders seem to have been caught flat-footed since the free agency floodgates have opened. Don't we still need a proven veteran wide receiver to shore up the ranks, especially now that DHB is showing his frailty once again? Malcolm Floyd, Steve Smith...Even Braylon?
Anyhow, I'm just calling it like I see it. I'd love to be more positive right now. That said, there's still time.
Also, it's quite possible that these free agency hits to our roster are worse on paper than they will be on the field.
Hue Jackson's competence and energy could help us gain valuable ground. Our team could be turning the corner from teenager to adult, in terms of group maturity and experience. Being loaded with talent hasn't always been a boon to the Raiders. A true "team" can make up for a loss in talent. Hopefully, we'll prove that in 2011.
posted by Raider Take at 2:37 PM
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so i'll just copy over my post on the last take...
incredible. we lost miller! damn!
this kind of SUCKS because didn't the team have some kind of verbal "gentlemen's aggreement" for him to just freakin be patient while they work some things out (ie create some cap space) so they could get him signed? this sucks man. now we don't have an experienced tight end, unless davis sees otherwise.
is it david ausberry's time?
just checked out some you tube highlights of david ausberry. hue jackson speaks highly of him on monday's raiders.com video. dude is big, fast, can be used in different ways ie: out of the backfield. but of course, there's a reason why he lasted until the 7th round.
i hope davis has something up his sleeve...
alright that's ok zach, go on to seattle... let's see if you make the pro bowl now. hell, i hope you can find a quarterback who can throw you the ball...
this just proves that all the guy wanted was big bucks and not winning. don't tell me seattle is closer to the playoffs than we are!
sorry guys, just one more thing...
that tom cable sure gets to flash the last finger eh?
Hi Scorpio...
Not the end of the world Bro...Zack turned down $7 mil and took the 1st offer made to leave...Perhaps this is why we drafted a "TE" and converted another Drafter "WR" to "TE"...Insurance because this was seen as a possibility...
Seahawks | Zach Miller terms
Tue, 02 Aug 2011 14:52:16 -0700
Updating a previous report, the Seattle Seahawks signed TE Zach Miller to a five-year, $34 million deal Tuesday, Aug. 2, with $17 million in guarantees. Miller will be reunited with former Oakland Raiders head coach Tom Cable, now the offensive line coach in Seattle.
Smoke Gets In Your Eyes!!!
Oakland Raiders 2011 Free Agents: OT Stephon Heyer Says He is a Raider
According to Vittorio Tafur former Redskin offensive tackle Stephon Heyer has posted on his facebook page that he has signed with the Oakland Raiders. Heyer is 27. He has plenty of starting experience and bulk.
Stephon Heyer has started 33 games in his four year career and brings experience, toughness and attitude to the offensive line. He is big physical tackle with limited athleticism. He wins with effort, technique and power when he is able to engage early in the play. Heyer lacks great lateral agility and balance which hinders his ability on backside blocks and on the second level. He understands angles and ability to leverage defenders at the point of attack. Heyer has improved his hand use and can adjust to twists and counters when out of position. With a high profile draft pick at his position, Stephon Heyer may be relegated to a backup role but will provide excellent depth along the offensive line.
PantyRaider...If True That's One Starter!!!/_
Huff was told by the Raiders they wanted him back, so he ignored overtures from other teams and the Raiders made good on their promise and re-signed him.
Wasn't a similar promise made to Miller?
Of course I don't know for certain, but I think the Raiders were given every opportunity and just couldn't pull the trigger. It's more than likely they were hamstrung by the spending spree prior to the lockout, which included a 1500% pay increase for Wimbley.
Asomugha and Miller were arguably the best players on each side of the ball that the Raiders had. Losing both of them could be a real problem if other players can't step up.
This entire offseason has been a major step back. Overpaying undeserving players, not paying deserving players.
I have a feeling this is going to be a LONG season.
Roy
Stephon Heyer was a backup for the Redskins and might provide depth to the Raiders. This guy was an undrafted FA in 2007 and there's nothing "top tier" about his resume. If the stable of Veldheer, Barnes, Barksdale and Bruce Campbell can't keep this guy on the bench, we are in trouble.
"RT"...
Nice attitude...Glad to see that...
Not the end of the world even if smoke does get in your eyes...
PantyRaider...Good Post!!!/_
maybe we're putting this season in the toilet so we can get andrew luck... yeah i know... keep dreamin!
sorry guys, but this is just frustrating to watch. the top players on both sides of the ball are GONE!
somebody better step up to the plate and fast...this is no way to improve on an 8-8 season.
Stephon Heyer OT
Height: 6-6 Weight: 332 Age: 27
Experience: 5th season
2010 Washington Redskins 12 gms 5 Starts
2009 Washington Redskins 16 Gms 16 Starts
2008 Washington Redskins 9 Gms 7 Starts
2007 Washington Redskins 12 Gms 5 Starts
TOTAL 49 Gms 33 Starts
Now figure it out..In 5 NFL seasons he started 67% of the games played...Now hoe the hell do you NOT classify him as a "Starter"...
PantyRaider...If He Starts For Us He Is A Starter....Period!!!/_
If he is even signed which I have not confirmed as yet...
The guy has double digit starts in only 1 of 4 seasons. Do you expect us to do cartwheels over that? Seriously.
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Continued From The Last Thread So NO One Forgets:
Blogger PantyRaider said...
Doubt your man enough to "Put Up Or Shut Up" but I will wager that Mr Davis makes a splash in "FA" this season....
Clarification:
At least one big name player if not 2....
Projected Possibilities:
"QB"s...Vince Young/Carson Palmer
"WR"s...Vincent Jackson/Plaxaco Burris
"OT"....________________________
"OLB"...________________________
"Sup-Draft"...Slash Pryor
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Blogger nyraider said...
You're on! Loser leaves Raider Take for one year.
Davis must sign more than one top tier FA who was not on the Raiders roster last season (after all, one FA doesn't exactly constitute a "splash") and those FA players must have been quality full-time starters on other teams last year, consistent with the quality of players in your list above. I will even include Pryor, even though he is not a FA.
Are you ready to man up? And will Raider Take agree to help enforce the results (by deleting takes from the loser)?
Now it's time for you to "put up or shut up."
I am prepared to sacrifice myself for the betterment of this community, which is sick and tired of your constant insults, profanity and illogic.
9:07 AM
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Blogger nyraider said...
I told you, I'm in! What more do I need to say? Reasonable terms are clearly presented in my post above. Why would you bother re-posting the challenge?
I'm in! I'm in!
If you want, complete your list of FAs. I will approve it as long as it's agreed that Davis must sign two (otherwise, there's no "splash") and the loser leaves this site for one year!
Concentrate! This is your opportunity to run a muck of this site for a full year without my interference. Step up to the plate and take a swing.
9:58 AM
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Blogger PantyRaider said...
Ah!!...You IDIOT!!!...
I NEVER back out of anything!!!....
Your the Wimp coward!!!...
The Challenge was set in stone and NO I don't allow you to change a word of it...
And your such a damn LIAR as proven over time that there is NO way I believe a word from you...Everyone knows when I'm posting and who/where I am but you would just rename your stupidity and keep the derogatory Crap going...As if you haven't already "Shadow"!!!....
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Blogger PantyRaider said...
Blogger Calico Jack said...
And since that time, PR has weaseled, delayed, and attempted to fillerbuster out of the bet. Sad.
True...It's very damn sad that your NOT in this thing but trying to quicken the pace...SO...Sense your so damn interested care to join that party...Care to become part of that challenge too...
PantyRaider...You Freakin On!!!/_
8:30 PM
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Blogger PantyRaider said...
"CJ"...
Doubt your man enough to "Put Up Or Shut Up" but I will wager that Mr Davis makes a splash in "FA" this season....
Clarification:
At least one big name player if not 2....
Projected Possibilities:
"QB"s...Vince Young/Carson Palmer
"WR"s...Vincent Jackson/Plaxaco Burris
"OT"....________________________
"OLB"...________________________
"Sup-Draft"...Slash Pryor
PantyRaider...Now Put Up Or Shut The Fuck Up!!!/_
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Blogger PantyRaider said...
Prolley NOT as he waits to see if the Raiders sign that "LB" visiting today!!!...Than when it looks like everything is cold he will jump in with his mouth "Wagging That Dog" again...
Ya!!...That's really ?Manning Up"....Right!!!..
PantyRaider...Just Laughing At Cha Babies!!!/_
PS...I'm the only one who won't be worried about leaving this damn board for a freakin year...I'm not the least bit happy with all your damn lousy crying ass bitchin anyway...Get it!!!...You people are totally hilarious!!!...
8:37 PM
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Blogger Calico Jack said...
PR - I'm in. I will stop visiting this site for 1 complete year if the Raiders sign 2 big name free agents who are legit starters.
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Blogger PantyRaider said...
"CJ"...
Fare enough...Your officially in...
The "QB" may or may not become a starter this season...Anything is possible so time will tell...
Wimbley was with the team last year so I'm NOT making an issue there...But just posting that I could...
The list is being assembled and actions will be taken accordingly...
PantyRaider...Just Having Fun Baby!!/_
10:20 PM
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PantyRaider...Now That's Where We Stand!!!/_
more linemen
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OAKLAND RAIDERS
The Oakland Raiders have signed free agent offensive linemen Justin Smiley, Stephon Heyer and Seth Wand.
Justin Smiley "G"
Height: 6-3 Weight: 310 Age: 29
Experience: 8th season
2010 Jacksonville Jaguars 5 Gms 5 Starts
2009 Miami Dolphins 15 Gams 12 Starts
2008 Miami Dolphins 12 Gms 12 Starts
2007 San Francisco 49ers 8 Gms 8 Starts
2006 San Francisco 49ers 16 Gms 16 Starts
2005 San Francisco 49ers 16 Gms 16 Starts
2004 San Francisco 49ers 16 Gms 9 Starts
TOTAL 88 Gms 78 Starts
Started 88.6% of the games played...
PantyRaider...If True That's Now 2 Starters!!!!/_
Raiders | Stephon Heyer added
Tue, 02 Aug 2011 15:39:16 -0700
The Oakland Raiders have signed free-agent OT Stephon Heyer (Redskins). Terms of the deal were not disclosed.
That Looks Official...
PantyRaider...More To Follow...Told You So!!!/_
Also Of Note:
With the loss of Nmamdi/Gallery/Miller we will likely get extra picks in the 2012 NFL Draft....2 1st rd picks and 1 2nd rd pick have now been lost...So we get at least a 3rd rd pick and perhaps even more...
http://nflfootballnow.com/2011/07/21/2011-nfl-salary-cap-and-floor-where-32-teams-stand/
PantyRaider....Always A Silver Lining!!!/_
Not really able to follow those posts. Are you saying the Raiders have signed a big name free agent?
Clearly we have not. Not only have we not signed a big name free agent but our biggest free agents on offense and defense walked.
Roy
He's trying to prove we made a "splash" in FA by signing fringe players that might not even make the final roster. Let him go, he thinks he's on a roll.
It appears Davis had no intention of re-signing Miller.
http://tinyurl.com/3m8fvqc
So far the Raiders have made the opposite of a "splash" in free agency. It's more like a bust.
The loss of Asomugha and Miller are 2 steps backward, especially since we had a chance to sign them both.
We had our best chance of improving by maintaining our 3 best players: Asomugha, Seymour, and Miller. We kept Seymour and didn't even attempt to keep the other 2, and went after the likes of Routt, Wimbley, Sam Williams, Khalif Barnes, etc; by throwing huge jack at them instead of where it needed to be; and fail to bring in other free agents that will make a difference (Gaither, a vet WR, another top LB).
Bottom line, we are going to try our young talent, which is fine. But it won't get us past 8-8, which is what we wanted to build on. Grrr, not a happy Raider fan at the moment.
"Stephon Meyer" ... I don't know anything about the guy and had never heard of him prior to today. If this undrafted FA qualifies as a "big name" "tier 1" player, you've been smokin' something herbal. Sorry but this isn't about the bet. It is about credibility.
PR,
Still think by over-spending on Wimbley that it didn't have SERIOUS consequences?
This article in Grantland exposes the sheer lunacy of the funny money thrown at Wimbley:
(Paragraph 2 puts it into proper perspective)
"On Monday, the Raiders re-signed outside linebacker Kamerion Wimbley by giving him a five-year, $48 million deal that guarantees him $29 million. It is one thing to pay for Asomugha and set the market for dominant cornerbacks; Al Davis probably overpaid and helped create massive inflation for elite cornerbacks for years to come, but at least he was signing a truly excellent player. Wimbley is a pretty good pass-rusher who had 11 sacks as a rookie in 2006. He's averaged just more than six sacks per season since, and although he had nine last year, three of them came in a meaningless Week 17 game against the already playoff-bound Chiefs.
Stare at that $29 million figure, because it's truly grotesque. It's nearly 50 percent more than the guaranteed money James Harrison got from the Steelers on his five-year deal after he won Defensive Player of the Year with a 16-sack campaign. It's more than Asomugha was guaranteed in either his contract with the Raiders or with the Eagles. It is the sort of deal only Al Davis would make."
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/6826009/cromartie-good-enough
It is clear to me that the Raiders dealt with some very significant cap challenges this offseason.
It has become quite apparent that these challenges (partly caused by misuse of cap allocation dollars) has caused us to double-down on Hue Jackson and a very young core of players.
Losing 3 significant starters (Asomugha, Miller, Gallery) and not gaining any significant FAs to date (yet) stings.
As Hue Jackson has been saying continuously the past week, "when 1 man goes down, another needs to step up".
We need our rookies such as Wiz and Barksdale to step up BIG time.
We need our 2nd and 3rd year players to make a big uptick in performance and consistency.
We need our veterans to have top performing seasons.
We need to have a magical season in terms of a minimal # of injuries/missed games by key starters.
But most importantly, we desperately need the coaching staff leadership and veteran leadership to BUILD a TEAM that EXECUTES and plays their guts out for each other.
Clearly, Davis put a priority on re-signing other players to huge contracts who were less deserving than Miller. Sounds like Miller has been hoping to re-sign with Raiders since last season... now he's a Seahawk.
The Raiders go 8-8 and seem to be on the verge of playoffs. Al says, "to hell with that" and blows it up. THANKS AL, you really make being a Raider fan a chore.
Slight of hand and sheer volume of garble, this is the way of deceivers, if you can't beat em, dazzle them with garbage. That would sum it up. Clock is ticking and hopefully it will be longer than a year. Batshit insane isn't easy to look at in print.
JONES
Hue Jackson's competence? What gives you that idea? What has he proven? Why are the best Raider players LEAVING? Because they don't want any part of Hue's competence? Hue is just another Yesman, we all know it, he will fail because Al has just cut his nuts off. Same ole story, same ole song and dance. We are going to long for the days of Tom Cable, YIPEE.
JONES
As the tears flow "Smoke Gets In Your Eyes" while the LIAR continues to "Shadow Post"....
It's been 5 months since my last post, but I've finally have had enough.
SIMPLY PATHETIC!!!!!!
5 years, $48M, $29M guaranteed
5 years, $60M, $25M guaranteed
The 1st contract is Wimbley.
The 2nd contract is Asomugha.
Wimbley has never been a Pro Bowl selection nor an All Pro selection.
Asomugha is a 4x Pro Bowler and 4x All Pro (in his most recent 4 past seasons) who has given his blood, sweat and tears to the organization for 8 seasons.
The choice was made and Raider fans have to live with it.
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The Raiders have signed free agent offensive linemen Stephon Heyer, Justin Smiley, Samson Satele and Seth Wand.
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PantyRaider...If True 1 And Possibly 2 New Starters Have Already been Added....More To Follow!!!/_
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Seahawks | Zach Miller terms
Tue, 02 Aug 2011 14:52:16 -0700
Updating a previous report, the Seattle Seahawks signed TE Zach Miller to a five-year, $34 million deal Tuesday, Aug. 2, with $17 million in guarantees. Miller will be reunited with former Oakland Raiders head coach Tom Cable, now the offensive line coach in Seattle.
For a "TE" that is excessive...About $7 Mil/Season -n- $17 Mil Guaranteed!!!...
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Hearing that the clock is ticking for the Ravens to sign WR Malcom Floyd. Other suitors include Vikings, Cardinals, Panthers, Raiders.
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Boss likes idea of playing for Raiders
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
At 6-foot-6, 253 pounds, Boss would be more than a consolation prize. He’s been a productive, physical player who has 16 touchdowns in the past three seasons _ four more than Miller has in four. Last season, Boss had 35 catches for 531 yards and a 15.2 average and five scores.
“I would be surprised if they didn’t re-sign Zach,” Boss said. “He’s been one of their best offensive weapons since he’s been there. But they definitely like to use the tight end. Zach’s put up some great numbers there so that would definitely be a place I would look at.”
The Raiders have confirmed the signing of of tackle Stephon Heyer, guard Justin Smiley and tackle Seth Wand, and added a minor surprise _ the re-signing of center Samson Satele.
We now have at least one New "FA" "Big Name" Starter and perhaps a 2nd or 3rd starter as well at "OT" -n- "QB"...
PantyRaider...Possibilities Abound...More To Follow For Sure!!!/_
That lump in your throats is your own tongs!!!
Put down the bong pipe and just...walk away.
Currently 3 NEW "FA"s on record and more to follow as the "Splash"...
The List:
Trent Edwards QB
3rd rd pick
Height: 6-4 Weight: 231 Age: 27
College: Stanford
Experience: 5th season
2010 5 Gms 3 Start
2009 8 Gms 7 Starts
2008 14 Gms 14 Starts
2007 10 Gms 9 Strats
Total 37 Gms -w- 33 Starts
Started 89% of Games Played...
Stephon Heyer OT
UDFA 07
Height: 6-6 Weight: 332 Age: 27
Experience: 5th season
2010 Washington Redskins 12 gms 5 Starts
2009 Washington Redskins 16 Gms 16 Starts
2008 Washington Redskins 9 Gms 7 Starts
2007 Washington Redskins 12 Gms 5 Starts
TOTAL 49 Gms 33 Starts
Started 67.3 % of games played...
Justin Smiley "G"
2nd rd pick
Height: 6-3 Weight: 310 Age: 29
Experience: 8th season
2010 Jacksonville Jaguars 5 Gms 5 Starts
2009 Miami Dolphins 15 Gams 12 Starts
2008 Miami Dolphins 12 Gms 12 Starts
2007 San Francisco 49ers 8 Gms 8 Starts
2006 San Francisco 49ers 16 Gms 16 Starts
2005 San Francisco 49ers 16 Gms 16 Starts
2004 San Francisco 49ers 16 Gms 9 Starts
TOTAL 88 Gms 78 Starts
Started 88.6% of the games played...
I will finish compiling my list and submit it as evidence that you will NO doubt try your damnedest to dispute as you try to squirm your way out of "Manning Up"....And by the way NOTHING was said about how a player entered the NFL...What position he was drafted in...How many seasons he played...Whether he has lost his starting job...Whether he's coming off injury...Nor anything of the sort so STOP trying to rewrite the rules of the challenge as stated below....Vincent Jackson was a 2nd rd pick!!!..Pryor will most likely be a mid to late rd pick...."Big Name" is that that player has made a name for himself as a starter...That's the key word here...He has to have been a consistent "Starter" -n- quality player -n- projected to start for his new team the Raiders......
NOT a "JePurpleDrank" who was a #1 pick but made NO name for himself as a starter and was NOT a quality player...
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I will wager that Mr Davis makes a splash in "FA" this season....
Clarification:
At least one big name player if not 2....
Projected Possibilities:
"QB"s...Vince Young/Carson Palmer
"WR"s...Vincent Jackson/Plaxaco Burris
"OT"....________________________
"OLB"...________________________
"Sup-Draft"...Slash Pryor
PantyRaider....Read -n- Weep As You Always Do Best!!!/_
For instance if we sign this player:
Kevin Boss TE
5th rd pick
Height: 6-6 Weight: 253 Age: 27
Born: 1/11/1984 Corvallis , OR
College: Western Oregon
Experience: 5th season
2010 15 Gms 13 Starts
2009 15 Gams 15 Starts
2008 15 Gams 15 Starts
2007 13 Gams 2 Starts
Total 58 Gams -w- 45 Starts
Started 77.6% Games Played...
This is a qualifying "Big Name" player who was a consistent starter and would be projected to start for the Raiders...
Another is this:
Lofa Tatupu LB
2nd rd pick
Height: 6-0 Weight: 250 Age: 28
Born: 11/15/1982 San Diego , CA
College: USC
Experience: 7th season
2010 16 Gams 16 Starts
2009 9 Gms 9 Starts
2008 15 Gms 15 Starts
2007 16 Gms 16 Starts
2006 16 Gms 16 Starts
2005 16 Gms 16 Starts
Total 88 Gms -w- 88 Starts
Started 100% of Games Played
And This UDFA "WR" who took time to develop but has produced better than any "WR" on our roster over the past 3 seasons and would be projected as our #1 "WR"...
Malcom Floyd WR
UDFA 04
Height: 6-5 Weight: 225 Age: 29
Born: 9/8/1981 Sacramento , CA
College: Wyoming
Experience: 6th season
2010 11 Gms 9 Starts
2009 16 Gms 9 Starts
2008 13 Gms 2 Starts
2007 6 Gms 1 Start
2006 12 Gms 0 Starts
2005 ---------------
2004 4 Gms 2 Starts
Total 62 Gms -w- 23 Starts
Started 37% of Games Played
This is for the record in advance because I'm NOT going to listen to your damn crying over where/how a qualified player entered the arena...
PantyRaider...Now Prepare Yourselves For It And Try To Man Up!!!/_
You keep pimpin' it. It's a longshot at best that any of those OL players start for the Raiders. They were probably signed to vet minimum contracts. None are top tier players. They were brought here for insurance.
Top tier FAs represent the list that PFT put together, which has been posted here numerous times and which you have viewed.
Inasmuch as replacing Miller with Boss is a downgrade, Boss is on that list.
IMO, there is something really wrong with suggesting Davis made a "splash" in FA by downgrading many positions. Clearly, the Raiders lost more than they gained. There's not much splash in that.
You Ignorant Stupid Bastard!!!...
Look at the list I made and YOU signed off on...Every one has baggage and some lost their starting jobs or spent the past 2 seasons behind bars...One is a suspended rookie yet to be drafted...
Now shove your "Top Tier" right up your lying damn cowardice ass...
Look at that list I posted in that damn challenge:
Vince Young: Suspended by his team..
2010 9 Gms 8 Starts
2009 12 Gms 10 Starts
2008 3 Gms 2 Start -n- Lost his job
2007 15 Gms 15 Starts
2006 15 Gms 13 Starts
Total 54 Gms -w- 48 Starts
Started 88.9% Games Played....
Carson Palmer: Crying trade or retirement...
Vincent Jackson: Holdout who missed most of last season and demanded a $10 Mil payoff or set free..
2010 5 Gms 5 Starts
2009 15 Gms 15 Starts
2008 16 Gms 16 Starts
2007 16 Gms 16 Starts
2006 16 Gms 7 Starts
2005 8 Gms 0 Starts
Total 77 Gms -w- 59 Styarts
Started 76.6% Games Played
Plaxaco Burris: Jail Bird recently set free..
Not a fuckin play in any game the past 2 fuckin seasons....
Un-Named "OT" Stephon Heyer who has more quality experience than any "OT" on our current roster...
Un-Named "OLB"
"G" Justin Smiley who also has more quality experience than anyone currently on our roster...
"QB" Trent Edwards who has almost as much quality experience as our starting "QB"...
I wrote that challenge you damn stupid idiot...I knew fully what I was doing at the time...
PantyRaider...Now I've Got Your Damned dumb Ass So Give The Fuck Up!!!/_
NYLiar Said:
"and those FA players must have been quality full-time starters on other teams last year, consistent with the quality of players in your list above."
PantyRaider...Now I Got's Your Damn Dumb Ass Bitch So Stop You Crying And Man-Up!!!/_
In the last two posts, PR said:
"You Ignorant Stupid Bastard!!!..."
"NYLiar Said..."
"PantyRaider...Now I Got's Your Damn Dumb Ass Bitch So Stop You Crying And Man-Up!!!/_"
This is exactly why I can't stand to be here with you and why one of us should leave this forum.
You cry foul at the smallest provocation but have no problem at all with your own use of insults and profanity.
Here is your list:
___________
Projected Possibilities:
"QB"s...Vince Young/Carson Palmer
"WR"s...Vincent Jackson/Plaxaco Burris
"OT"....________________________
"OLB"...________________________
"Sup-Draft"...Slash Pryor"
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I gave you Pryor though he is not a FA. The Raiders will not be signing (nor drafting) any of the players on your list. However, your list was expanded implicitly to include all top tier free agents, which is not to say "all" free agents, and certainly not fringe players who sign at or even near the vet minimum salary.
The list provided by PFT provides us with a benchmark. There may be players outside that list but their inclusion will need to be agreed upon by more than your unilateral kangaroo court judgements.
As I stated before, so far your “splash” in free agency has led the Raiders to significant downgrades at key positions.
This is another man's opinion:
Left Tackle: Jared Veldheer, Khalif Barnes
This is definitely Veldheer's job to lose. Veld needs to step up his pass blocking this year, but after a fast transition and a solid season this second year player gave us every reason to think he will improve.
Barnes has starting LT experience. But he will also likely be in the competition for the RT spot.
Left Guard: Daniel Loper, Samson Satele, Justin Smiley
This battle is likely going to be Loper and Smiley. And is there any difference between the two?
Center: Stefen Wisniewski, Samson Satele
Wisniewski has to go out and proves he belongs in this league. If he doesn't Satele is a solid back-up option.
Right Guard: Cooper Carlisle, Bruce Campbell, Samson Satele
It would be nice to Satele win this spot. He would look good as a pulling guard on runs left. Satele was also the Raiders best O-linemen on screens. He is excellent in the second lever.
Even better than Satele winning this job would be to have Bruce Campbell win it. However, it is going to be hard for him to do that while standing injured on the sideline.
Right Tackle: Stephon Heyer, Khalif Barnes, Joe Barksdale
This is anyone's job. It would be great to see Barksdale come out and win this job. But if he can't at least the Raiders have two players with experience to fall back on.
PantyRaider...Damn Good Chance That Both NEW "FA" "OL" Start This Season!!!/_
"Starters" You Freakin Lying Bastard!!!
And yes you have earned every word of aggression against you!!!
BITCH!!!....
Your gad damn list was never approved prior to your accepting this challenge and NOR will it be now...But just to show how freakin stupid you really are take a look...Every single "OT"/"G" on that post resigned with his team lest one;
77. Daryn Colledge, Packers G (UPDATE: Signed with Cardinals.)
That player has to be available to sign him you dumb ass turd head...
If you weren't such a damn Crying Liar who tried to bash me for having scars resulting from service to my country and such a "HateTripper" against my Raiders -n- Mr Davis you wouldn't be treated so disrespectfully...But you are have earned every bit of my scorn!!!...
NYLiar Said:
"The offensive line with be filled with inexperience, yet expected to perform at a higher level than the long-time veterans they replace."
Now 2 NEW experienced players have been added to the mix but he remains in total denial..."OT" -n- "G" who have been consistent starters in the NFL...
"CJ" Said:
"Sure the Raiders find a way with some trick cap management BUT the reality is that we it is highly unlikely we will be in a position to add key exteranl free agents."
But now we have added a NEW back up "QB" which most viewed as a necessity and two NEW potential "Starters" on the "OL"..."OT"-n-"G" with good quality experience....
So I suppose they demand miracles in a "FA" market that's very limited on prospects where teams aggressively lock up their top talents thus preventing them from being targets of other franchises...
I know and posted we would add the "OT" not knowing who so left it un-named...The 1st one was damaged goods so we added the 2nd prospect on the radar....Now suddenly that was NOT a legitimate move in "FA"???...Than also adding that "G" who is well known as a starter in the Bay Area is also NOT viewed as a legitimate move in "FA"??...
Well no surprise here...I posted that there is NO way I will believe "NYLiar's lying ass and he certainly is making that ring very damn true...But have no fear...More "FA"s are on the way...
PantyRaider...Cry -n- Squirm As You Will LIAR Without Escape!!!/_
PR said:
"Starters" You Freakin Lying Bastard!!!"
"And yes you have earned every word of aggression against you!!!"
"BITCH!!!...."
________________
Perhaps it's time for some censorship while this contest continues to play out.
Face it. Nobody wants to hear your constant complaining, whining and crying anymore. Folks come here to discuss football. They could care less about your personal agenda.
Didn't you post earlier that you were almost through here; that you post 100 times a day on other sites and that you would stick to strictly football talk while this contest played out?
Why can't you honor those words?
Why can't you honor those words?
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You're on! Loser leaves Raider Take for one year.
Davis must sign more than one top tier FA who was not on the Raiders roster last season (after all, one FA doesn't exactly constitute a "splash") and those FA players must have been quality full-time starters on other teams last year, consistent with the quality of players in your list above. I will even include Pryor, even though he is not a FA.
Are you ready to man up? And will Raider Take agree to help enforce the results (by deleting takes from the loser)?
Now it's time for you to "put up or shut up."
I am prepared to sacrifice myself for the betterment of this community,
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Priceless!!!...You Squirm -n- Squirm while trying to sustain your LIAR way!!!
There are no lies in my words; only in your pea brain. One of us is leaving this site. That has not changed.
RT doesn't want Jethro to go, he keeps his comment counter in numbers.
Obviously the mentally unstable one will not leave no matter how badly he losses the bet, or he will just be an alias.
Jethro is an Al Davis sock puppet, he pays to cruise from parking lot to parking lot in his 1970's VW van spamming all day long for the Raiders. Or he may just be a jailbird with nothing to do but be a complete a hole all day, every day.
From what I have read, Raiders are still 10 mill over the cap. Clock keeps ticking, question now is, will the unstable one leave after he has lost the bet? I bet he doesn't.
Prediction for the Raiders....5-11, Huey is using Al just like Kiffin did, to further his career. Meanwhile, the fans get kicked in the nuts...AGAIN.
JONES
I keep hearing Hue say that one person who leaves, another needs to step up.
Here's my problem with this. First, it is easier to build on success with the majority of your excellent players in their positions; than losing your excellent players and having unproven people in that position "step up."
Second, with Seymour, Asomugha, and Miller; we had a chance to build on their excellence by committing to their excellence; but we overpay others to "step up" in 2/3 of those positions. This usually goes wrong for the team, because overpaid player knows his guaranteed portion is more than he would get elsewhere, and has no reason to step up.
Third, we are relying (especially on offense) guys with NO experience, in key positions (the O-line, TE our #1 WR position, and WR) to have career years!
We just slipped back 3 years. You don't build on the previous year by blowing out your 2 best players, and expect players with no experience, or less talent to do any better.
Comment volume is meaningless to me.
In terms of commenters, however, I say the more the merrier.
Flat-footed is the term the keeps coming to mind right now with the Raiders. The hares are running around, and I feel like a tortoise waiting for something significant to happen.
I don't have a good feeling about this, but I'm trying to stay hopeful.
"In terms of commenters, however, I say the more the merrier."
It kind of mirrors the Raiders, when the main poser acts like the owner of the Raiders. Batshit crazy...it kind of turns off posters/players/fans to stay away from it. So, when the main poster/ owner remains the same, you will get the same results.
No one will post here other than the usual because new posters read the crap and stay away. It's up to you RT, you let it continue and all you will get is 90% posts from batshit crazy. It's your choice, your site, I know you are torn by censorship, but come on, the guy is a virus and nobody wants to catch it. Take a vote, democracy in action.
JONES
I don't have a good feeling about this, but I'm trying to stay hopeful.
Hopeful? Year after year of proof that the owner/GM/HC is batshit crazy and you remain hopeful? Man, it amazes me that Raider fans still think that Pluto is going to line up with Uranus and the Raiders will be what they once were.
Last time the Raiders were successful, a full 3 years (Yipee), MR DAVIS blows it up. Almost TEN YEARS later, they FINALLY have some stability and he blows it up. It can't get any more obvious and still we have those who cling to 'hope'. Just like those who still say Obummer is turning it around...= batshit crazy.
Reality check, it has become very obvious that this year is going to be worse than years before it, Art Shell part deux is in the making, I sure hope Mr Davis is happy.
JONES
I've always said that Raider Take is a community, and that I'm not interested in policing it. It's a cultural experiment and a virtual neighborhood, and I'd rather the good neighbors work out their differences instead of calling the cops.
Following are this site's guiding principles, it's up to each individual to decide whether or not to honor them:
Personal attacks and hateful namecalling are the enemies of intelligent debate.
That said, a little ribbing shouldn't be taken too personally.
Dominating a conversation extinguishes the conversation.
Facts are facts.
Ultimately, it's just football. It's okay to laugh.
"RT"....
Now you sound like the voice of reason...Nice to see...Really nice to see again...
I too have some doubts that underscore the hopes but that's just life in sports...If it were guaranteed what value would there be in winning...
"OldSchool"..."The Glory of Victory and the Agony of Defeat"...
Well...I suppose I should tone it down just a little sense your trying as you are....Time to meet half way...
But isn't ironic that the one calling for action to clean up your board is the very one who brought all this adversity here in the 1st place with his racist comments against the wives of other posters who didn't agree with him and his attempts to slander me for entering into a foreign mirage and old wounds from military service...
Than he's the one who is an outright "HateTripper" against everything "Silver-n-Black" as he has entangled others into his "Cancerous" path...."NYR" fell victim and has become that same type of "Cancer"...Even engaging in the same type of tactics posting derogatory about a man's old military wounds when he himself never had the commitment to even serve or inherit learning disorders that now plague many a man in life.....
This:
"No one will post here other than the usual because new posters read the crap and stay away."
Exactly why so many have left including myself when constantly confronted by such childish Non-Football Related adversity...
"JONES the LIAR" -n- "NYR the LIAR Clone"....Now 2 peas in a pod....
PantyRaider....Keep Your Head Up "RT"....Hope Still Lives!!!/_
Everyone is 0-0 until proven otherwise!!!
That post well-demonstrates your inability to participate here in a fair and reasonable manner.
Turning down a 5-alarm fire to a 3-alarm fire won't save the building. Therefore, one of us is leaving this site.
Promises have been made many times in the past to "tone it down." It's only a matter of time before your malicious nature unveils itself again.
This time, however, you have provided me the means to escape your diatribe. One of us is leaving this site!
There is clearly a disconnect. This has been a horrible off season beginning with the firing of Cable, who I was no big supporter of, and the puzzling decision to let Miller walk.
This is an Al Davis offseason, it seems he has sipped from the crazy tea that is spreading around the country.
Roy
From PFT (as of Tuesday):
"Per a source with knowledge of the cap numbers, here are the seven teams that were in the red: Raiders ($17.3 million), Steelers ($11.5 million), Texans ($8.5 million), Vikings ($5.6 million), Lions ($5 million), Cowboys ($3.7 million), and Panthers ($939,000)."
The Raiders are in the biggest cap trouble. If they can't restructure and/or extend more contracts, somebody else of considerable value might be leaving the Raiders.
What about asking DHB to take one for the team? The guy hasn't even practiced this year due to some mystery non-football related injury and his production is far below his draft status and pay scale.
Corkran's blog today sums it up fairly well, I believe.
This statement from Corkran sums up where we stand in the "Free Agency Splash" challenge:
"The Raiders have yet to sign a high-profile player from another team."
I guess the chances of that happening are reduced to nil at this point. The Raiders will need to free up significant cap space in order sign Boss or any other quality FA.
Hey it's your site, I just gave my opinion.
" I'd rather the good neighbors work out their differences "
Sometimes your neighbor ain't so good, know what I'm sayin? You can let the 'crazy guy' rule the neighborhood or you can step in and say what the guidelines are. If not, you got the crazy guy destroying the neighborhood. Again, it's your neighborhood.
Jethro, you just can't handle the message so you hate the messenger. Looks like you will be gone soon anyways...see ya.
JONES
Jones, I always appreciate an opportunity to clarify my perspective on on this site, and have no issue with you and others keeping me on my toes.
I have to say, I don't think the Raiders are having a bad off season.
First of all, we all have been critical of Al Davis over the years, for coverting CB's, and ignoring the front 7.
So Al lets his top CB walk, and sinks the money into the D-line, and the 0-line, and still, he gets trashed.
The Raiders have some young players to put at CB. They have to step up, and come through. This is not impossible.
I remember when Nnamdi was first drafted. We all said, "Who"?. and now we miss him.
And the same with Zach Miller. He is a good player, not a great one. If Raiders can get Kevin Boss, there will be no drop off at TE.
The Redskins are going into the season with Rex Grossman as their starting QB.
Are they having such a great off season ?
The Seahawks, stole Gallery, & Miller. But their QB is Tavaris Jackson.
Are they having a great off season ?
Stand back and see the full picture please.
Raider00 -
The Raiders have not replaced outgoing talent with equal talent coming in. Boss is not signed.
And Asomugha took several years before he was a good CB. Are you prepared to wait several more years after making some improvement last year?
It's no time to take about taking one step back to take two steps forward. We have lost valuable momentum in our fight to break .500.
How quickly we forget. The Vikes went to the playoffs with Tavaris Jackson at QB BEFORE Favre arrived on the scene. Did we do that with Gradkowski? It took us EIGHT years since the Super Bowl we'd like to forget to get to 8-8. Asomugha, Gallery, and Miller were all big parts of that. Do any of you honestly feel that letting those guys walk is a great way to follow up an 8-8 season?
-Commitment to Excellence?
NyRaider,
I am not buying that the Raiders cannot improve this year, and make the playoffs.
First, Campbell has a full year under his belt in Hue Jackson's system.
Also, Raiders pass rush from front 7 should be good again, taking pressure off young DB's to cover for long time.
There are still free agents avaiable, Edwards, Boss, etc...that can help the Raiders right away.
And Hue Jackson, IMO, will prove to be a better HC, then Cable.
Raider00 -
Those are all reasonable points.
I'm not writing off the season, by any means. However, on paper, I believe the Raiders have lost a step. We have put too many eggs into the Wimbley / Routt / loper / Eugene basket and completely abandoned our top tier players such as Nnamdi (who signed for a very reasonable price), Miller and Gallery who helped get us where we are (i.e., a .500 team).
Now the Raiders find themselves more above the cap than any team, so signing other players, as you suggest, can only come with some magic by Al Davis (which, admittedly, he has done before).
IMO, the heavily reliance on inexperienced players would have made sense about five years ago. But coming off our best season in 8-9 years, we risk losing what momentum we had.
Before ...
#1 LG - Robert Gallery; arguably the most consistent performer on the Oline since 2008
#1 CB - Nnamdi Asomugha; 4x Pro Bowler and captain
#1 TE - Zach Miller; most productive pass catcher the past 3 seasons.
and After ...
#1 LG - Loper or Smiley
#1 CB - Stanford Routt
#1 TE - Brandon Myers
These are 3 positions which were significantly downgraded.
Our poor management of the salary cap allocation dollars created a situation where our hands were severely tied in terms of being able to (a) keep key personnel (b) add additional top tier talent.
I hope I'm wrong but ...
Instead of the feeling of building upon the foundation of 2010, it feels like we've taken a step back.
"So Al lets his top CB walk, and sinks the money into the D-line, and the 0-line, and still, he gets trashed."
QUALITY, sinking money into something is much different than spending money wisely and having a plan. Mr.Davis should have foreseen a cap on the horizon, there really is no excuse for being well over the cap when you don't even have a bonified star on the team.
There is a reason for the trashing, how anyone can dance around that and wonder why Mr.Davis is getting trashed...I just shake my head and wonder how can someone be so blind? MIND BOGGLING, so now he signs a few scrubs and we are supposed to be impressed because he is "throwing money at it"?
As of this moment, there is a no name O-line that hasn't played together at all. 9 yrs of losing and we still don't have an O-line. Or Wr's, or Db's, a 'new' DC that is a complete yesman to Mr.Davis. A HC that was fired because he refused to be a yesman and replaced with a yesman.
Every year everyone forgets and it's like it never happened, the Org is run just like all the others, right? They just put the players on the field, that should be good enough, right? NO IT ISN'T.
How many fans are going to show up to the games this year? All blackouts, it's freakin sad, why does it have to be this way?
JONES
Raiders | Kevin Boss working out for team
Wed, 03 Aug 2011 19:54:08 -0700
Oakland Raiders head coach Hue Jackson said Wednesday, Aug. 3, that free-agent TE Kevin Boss (Giants) is working for for the team. Jackson also said Boss "has a lot of characteristics we're looking for."
Read more: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl#ixzz1U1frIZ1l
Raider00...
It's useless Bro...This place just loves to cry about everything and that scum "JONES" is just a "Hater" NOT a Raider...
PantyRaider...What A Group Of Idiots!!!/_
I don't want to come across as trying to gloss over the loss of Nnamdi.
He is a lock down corner, and one of the best in football.
But I'm optimistic that the young DB's will step up, and good pressure from front 7 will ease the loss of Nnamdi.
But I'm not going to cry over losing Gallery and Miller.
Gallery spent almost as much time in the trainers room, as on the field.
Miller was a good pass catcher, but a poor blocker.
It's not like Al just let Upshaw, and Casper walk out the door.
caplannfl Adam Caplan
by VittorioTafur
The Raiders essentially gave OT Stephen Heyer the same money they would have given Mario Henderson ($1.7 milli… (cont) http://deck.ly/~OT1wG
Now while folks here just cry a thousand tears and bad mouth my Raiders and everything "Silver-n-Black" the supper active "Raider Supporters" on the "Board of Inspiration" are now reporting right from inside the Raiders Training Camp...That's right...Because of their strong desire to be with the team they love and a "Commitment to Excellence" they have now received "Press Passes" as Mediot"s for having a "Blog Site" that speaks positive about my Raiders....
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2011/8/3/2343182/2011-oakland-raiders-training-camp
This is just to let you know what could have been but will now never be here on the "Board of Depression"...Thanks to your very negative discourses and outright bashing of Mr Davis NO one from this site will ever get a pass in...After the LIES that have slandered "J-Mac" as posted by "NYR" right here and the absolute scum sucking trash talking slanderous LYING "HateTrip" that has been continuously perpetrated by "JONES the LIAR" without the slightest smidgin of TRUTH this site will never be granted any favors from the Raiders...
I posted that this type of crap would come back to bite you and now it most certainly has...I encouraged you to hold your lips and consider what effect your discouraging discourse may have on other Raider fans especially the young but you didn't care...
Now I for one am very happy elsewhere hanging out with Raider Folk who sincerely love my Raiders as I do...Remembering how much happier I was during a period of over a season when I was delete from this site I now look forward to that escape again...
But 1st this challenge shall be settled and the "LIARs -n- TRAITORs" exposed for what/who they truly are!!!
PantyRaider...I Shall Not Join You In Your Debauchery!!!/_
Gutierrez on the Boss thing:
ClaytonESPN John Clayton
by PGutierrezCSN
For Kevin Boss to replace Zach Miller in Oakland, the Raiders will have to clear enough cap room to outbid the Giants. A challenge.
"It's not like Al just let Upshaw, and Casper walk out the door."
It's the best the Raiders had and they were 8-8. You lose 3 of your top guys and replace them with lesser quality, of course the team gets worse. Wasn't Miller in the Pro Bowl? Nnamdi? Gallery was the best one they had...when you lose quality, you lose.
3 top players gone and all there is is a stunned silence, actually rationalizing it all by declaring, "others will step up".
An 8-8 team with more coaching changes, a patchwork Offense, Mr.Davis running the Defense, losing 3 top players and so far no replacements worth noting and STILL REPORTS THAT THEY ARE way over the cap. I don't get it, do you have flouride in your tap water?
JONES
PR,
You seem rather pre-occupied by the bet/challenge or actually using it as a crutch to blast out 100 confrontational comments to justify why you keep coming back to Raider Take.
If you don't want to participate in an adult debate and discourse about what has transpired this offseason, no one has a gun to your head to keep trolling.
Your schtick has worn thin for quite some time. If you want to concentrate on debating on football, strategy, off season moves in a grown up fashion, it would be welcomed.
However, the reality is that you merely cut and paste or push for confrontation. When a commenter like myself gives my honest opinion and heartfelt sentiments about what has transpired, you blow up because it doesn't jibe with your kool ade version.
Newsflash Hombre: Raider FANS that genuinely care about the team's welfare can share honest opinions both good and bad.
The way that I look at is simple. If the Raiders sign 2 big name, tier 1 free agents, I will gladly hold up my end of the bargain. Although I enjoy visiting RT, it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to take a break from your gibberish.
However, to suggest signing 1 FA to replace a departed, better FA is complete nonsense, laughable, and a complete disregard for credibility.
By that I mean, don't act like Boss is an upgrade over Miller.
Don't act like Edwards is an upgrade of Ski.
Don't act like Smiley is an upgrade over Gallery.
These are replacements for players we failed to hold on to. It is shuffling in an equal or lesser grade player for a departed player.
If we sign 1 player who is a big upgrade over the existing starter or departed player, that would be what a BIG name, tier 1 FA is all about.
Anything less is just white noise.
Jones,
Players have to step up.
That's just a fact of life in the NfL now days.
Every team, not just Raiders, lose players every off season. And the players that take their places, must step up, and do the job.
Mcfadden, Ford, Valdhere, Mclain, and Houston, all stepped up last season.
And that is a bigger part of the reason why Raiders finished 8-8 last year.
As I recall, Nnamdi, Gallery, and Miller were around for some of those 2 and 3 win seasons as well.
Not blaming them, just saying. Raiders are a team. Not a 3 man team.
And remember, good free agents are still avaiable. Lets see what Raiders roster looks like in a week or two.
"CJ"...
Screw you damn "adult debate and discourse" about football...This challenge was regarding the outright personal attacks and ignorant assaults upon everything "Silver-n-Black" -n- myself...That's what has provoked this discourse and if you want to take sides and support this type of crap than that puts you on the same damn level!!...
Your NOT the solution your part of the problem and wanted to be in the middle and so you are with NO way out...And This doesn't hold water and was NEVER agreed upon prior to this challenge being accepted by the both of you so STOP trying to alter the rules of the game...NO "Rubber Walls"!!!..
"If we sign 1 player who is a big upgrade over the existing starter or departed player, that would be what a BIG name, tier 1 FA is all about."
NO...NOT acceptable in the least...It was a challenge relating to "FA" acquisitions with one possible "Sup-Draft" pick added and had absolutely NOTHING to do with who we lost or didn't sign or cut...
I wrote this challenge and only I know what was meant by any terminology used so I will do the interpreting NOT anyone who merely accepted that challenge...
But for your stinking info Boss has greater production in 3 seasons that Zack has in 4 so that's statistically most certainly an upgrade if we even make that deal and for prolley far less $$$$$...
And don't you dare post that losing Galery was a blow to this team after all the scorn you have posted against his play and being a "Bust"!!!...We knew fully well he was gone so any addition here is an upgrade...
PantyRaider...Adults Trying To Wiesel Out Of What They Agreed To...Squirm-Squirm-Squirm But The Way Is Shut -n- You Shall Not Pass!!!/_
Raider00 is absolutely correct!!!..
The loss of 2 players on a 53 man roster a loser does not make...Especially sense neither were "Field Marshals" on their side of the ball...That's "DeathRo" -n- "JC"...
Gallery does not count sense none here liked him nor supported him but instead referred to him as a "Bust" that was surely not to return so NO crying the blues now that he's gone...
Facts...All 3 of these players were out for more than a game last season and our team continued to play without them and will now continue to play without them again...
A young Justin Smiley is a definite upgrade over an old "ZBS" has been "G" that most expected to be released to save his Cap hit...
Stephen Heyer is most definitely an upgrade over that "Stupid Mario" that he has replaced...
Loper is most likely Galery's replacement as he was last season and played well in that role...
The "OL" has good depth now in young talent...
Nmamdi will be replaced by "CJ" who also has legitimate starting experience and the long list of young "CB"s on our roster as they develop...
So as you can see your crying over nothing before the 1st toss of a coin in a preseason game...
PantyRaider....So Many Tears With Such A Short Time To Cry!!!!/_
Justin Smiley
For those of you who know about his career with the Forty Niners you know that he was a force in the running game who opened holes for Frank Gore during Gore's good years. He was a head cracker who could get to the second level and lay people out. This is exactly what Oakland will need to execute the Hue Jackson and Al Saunders offense.
His eyes lit up when we spoke of the backs in the backfield:
When I mentioned this offense to him and getting to the second level, he lit up and said, “That’s what I do”
What was once our weakest link is now becoming our strength just like the transition our "DL" went threw last season to become one of the best...
PantyRaider...Let No Man Cry In The Face Of The Enemy!!!/_
Re: Cap
Als cap magic isnt working yet
From Schefter: Seven teams are over cap and will have to be under by Friday: STL $100K: ATL $1 MIL: DAL $3 M; DET $8 M; HST $8.5 M; PIT $11M; OAK $12M.
No to worry!!!...
This Dose Not Take Effect Until The "CBA" Takes Effec..."Dead $$$$ Relief"
Article 11 of the new CBA contains the rules that will allow the league to transition into the new league year, and buried among the many items within it is the following subsection:
Section 5. Salaries and Salary Cap Accounting:
….(b) Proration From Preexisting Contracts. ….(i) No signing bonus proration to the League Years of this Agreement shall apply for any Preexisting Contract that was terminated, traded or assigned via waivers prior to March 11, 2011….
Nmamdi was freed as of 3/4 so this will apply to all his dead money and to any other dead money outstanding from any other player who is no longer with the team…It was speculated that this would account for some $17 Mil of the Cap…If so we will be some $5 Mil to the good…
PantyRaider...Relief Is On The Way!!!/_
Also add to that the $3.5 Mil allowance and the $3 Mil that can be borrowed from future years...
An extra $6.5 Mil above the Cap...
It's not just about losing three players, it's about mismanaging the cap and grossly overpaying to retain marginal talent that has prevented the Raiders from re-signing some of their top players.
Zach Miller implied that Davis had not even reached out to him; and not just since the lockout ended. Miller has been waiting since last season (end of his rookie contract) to hear from Davis.
Finally, Cable saw Miller wasn't signed and grabbed him. Until that point, it appears no other team had made an offer, including the Raiders (who probably could have signed Miller to much less, had they tried).
Now we are scrambling to fill the void left by Miller, and we're $17.6M over the cap.
New York Giants in danger of losing free-agent TE Kevin Boss, who works out for Oakland Raiders
Miller and the 6-6, 253-pound Boss were considered the best tight ends in a weak market. Boss caught 35 passes for 531 yards and five touchdowns last year.
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/2011/08/03/2011-08-03_new_york_giants_in_danger_of_losing_freeagent_te_kevin_boss_who_works_out_for_oa.html#ixzz1U3gg1qcM
This:
Chiefs | Tamba Hali signs five-year deal
The Kansas City Chief signed LB Tamba Hali to a five-year, $60 million deal Wednesday, Aug. 3. The deal includes $35 million in guaranteed money.
Obviously over paid for a "LB" is all we would here is this was Mr Davis doing this....
PantyRaider....Always Slighted in A Bad Light!!!/_
More outright LIES!!!...
"Now we are scrambling to fill the void left by Miller, and we're $17.6M over the cap."
OAK $12M.
Zack turned down a $7 Mil Offer before the "CBA Lock-Out...
For the record:
Nnamdi Asomugha "CB"
2010 14 Gms 14 Starts
2009 16 Gms 16 Starts
2008 15 Gms 15 Starts
2007 15 Gms 15 Starts
2006 15 Gms 15 Starts
2005 16 Gms 16 Starts
2004 16 Gms 7 Starts
2003 15 Gms 1 Start
Total 106 Gms -w- 83 Starts
Started 78.3% Games Played....
Only played a full season as a starter twice..."05" -n- "09"...
Missed 13% of last season...
Robert Gallery "G"
2010 12 Gms 12 Starts
2009 6 Gms 6 Starts
2008 16 Gms 16 Starts
2007 16 Gms 16 Starts
2006 10 Gms 10 Starts
2005 16 Gms 16 Starts
2004 16 Gms 15 Starts
Total 92 Gms -w- 91 Starts
Started 98.9% Games Played
Played only 20/32 Games the past 2 seasons...63.5% of the seasons...
Zack Miller "TE"
2010 15 Gms 15 Starts
2009 15 Gms 15 Starts
2008 16 Gms 15 Starts
2007 16 Gms 16 Starts
Total 62 Gms -w- 61 Starts
Started 98.4% Games Played
Started only one full season out of 4..."07"...
So obviously this team has learned how to play without it's top personnel on the field...It wasn't the end of the world and it won't be now with them replaced....
Speculations: It has been said!!
With Nmamdi in the game the pressure on our other "CB"s -n- "S"s was tripled due to "OC"s game planning away from his area...With him gone "OC"s will spread that "Pig" around and posibly create more opportunities for our "DB"s to make a play...
With Zack in the game "JC" was too focused upon his "TE" and missed opportunities to his "WR"s...With him replaced it may open up our passing game more as he spreads that "Pig" around...
PantyRaider...For Every Gain There's A Loss And For Every Loss There's A Gain....Science 101!!!/_
Hey Troll. Before calling every post I make a lie, maybe you could check your sources as well as source your copy posts.
Per PFT, the Raiders are $17.3M over the cap.
Here's how it works:
"The highest-paid 51 players on each team must be under the cap by the start of the 2011 League Year (PFT).
The league year was supposed to start today, thereby, allowing newly signed FAs to practice with their teams.
If you have better information then provide it and stop being such an asshole.
This takes the cake in ignorance,
"But for your stinking info Boss has greater production in 3 seasons that Zack has in 4 so that's statistically most certainly an upgrade if we even make that deal and for prolley far less $$$$$..."
Really PR?
Boss and Miller were both drafted in 2007.
Both have played 4 full seasons.
In these past 4 seasons ...
Zach Miller has produced 226 receptions while Boss 119.
Zach Miller has produced 2,712 reception yards while Boss 1,600.
In other words ...
Miller has 107 more catches for 1,112 more yards than Boss.
The only edge Boss has over Miller is in TDs (18 to 12).
Get the facts before you open your ignorant pie hole.
CJ
Hay LIAR....Check your source...What was the date of that post...
I already posted the latest info:
"CJ"...
Congrats if you found I made a mistake...I will admit it and correct it which is more than can ever be said for you...
But...You really are a Bitch when you missed this that I posted with the name of the Raiders Beat Writer who wrote it...
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
At 6-foot-6, 253 pounds, Boss would be more than a consolation prize. He’s been a productive, physical player who has 16 touchdowns in the past three seasons _ four more than Miller has in four. Last season, Boss had 35 catches for 531 yards and a 15.2 average and five scores.
Now to the evaluations:
Zack was a starter right from his 1st season but Boss was NOT...He has only started for 3 seasons...45 games started to Zack's 61 games started...
Zack
226 rec/61 Gms = 3.7/game
ave 12 yds/rec
12 Tds = 0.2/game
2712 yds = 44.5/game
Boss
119 Rec/45 Gms = 2.6/game
ave 13.4 yds/rec
18 TDs = 0.4/game
1600 yds = 35.5/game
Boss's production has come in the past 3 seasons...He only had 2 starts -w- 9 rec for 118 yds in his rookie season...Last season Boss posted a 15.2 yd ave while Zack posted only an 11.4 yd ave...
Now...What I posted is that Boss has higher production in his 3 seasons than Zack does in his 4 seasons...That was as a starter relating to ability to score points and yd per catch ave which was alluded to by your hero "J-Mac"...
So congrats on being a little Bitch!!! with your stupid attempt to make an assault on my post...Take that up with your hero 1st...
PantyRaider....The Pure Stupidity Of The Thing Is just Amazing!!!/_
Hey, Pantry Liar!
NOTHING you say is credible.
What's your source?
My cap figure was posted yesterday, August 3rd.
http://tinyurl.com/3eod35n
One observer aptly suggests:
"How can the Raiders & Lions be that much over the cap and annually terrible?"
Schefter tweeted that as of this morning we are a little over $15M over the cap still...highest in the league
Yesterday this was reported as I posted...
From Schefter: Seven teams are over cap and will have to be under by Friday: STL $100K: ATL $1 MIL: DAL $3 M; DET $8 M; HST $8.5 M; PIT $11M; OAK $12M.
Well we did sign Huff -n- 2 "OL" so it stands to reason that that amount has grown by some $3 Mil...
But still NOT the $17.5 Mil that "NYLiar" posted...
PantyRaider...Facts-Facts-Facts....That's What I Base Everything On And Copy Post It So It's Authentic....NOT Just "BS" Off The Cuff While Shooting From The Hip!!!!/_
You freakin Idiot!!!...
Did you even read it before you jumped all over this as FACT!!!...
"Per a source with knowledge of the cap numbers, here are the seven teams that were in the red: Raiders ($17.3 million), Steelers ($11.5 million), Texans ($8.5 million), Vikings ($5.6 million), Lions ($5 million), Cowboys ($3.7 million), and Panthers ($939,000)."
Per what "Source"...This is just "BS" speculation from a stupid "Mediot" that doesn't know anything...
I posted from Schefter as the respected source and don't just believe anything written in some damn blog!!!...
Your completely discredited...Well that's a bit of a misnomer sense you never had any credit from the very beginning!!!...
Now compare the #'s here...
From Schefter: Seven teams are over cap and will have to be under by Friday: STL $100K: ATL $1 MIL: DAL $3 M; DET $8 M; HST $8.5 M; PIT $11M; OAK $12M.
Raiders ($17.3 million), Steelers ($11.5 million), Texans ($8.5 million), Vikings ($5.6 million), Lions ($5 million), Cowboys ($3.7 million), and Panthers ($939,000)."
See how freakin far off they are...
Kevin Boss - 2007
13 games
9 receptions
118 yards
2 TDs
Zach Miller - 2007
16 games
44 receptions
444 yards
3 TDs
Both were rookies. Zach was clearly the more productive player.
Kevin Boss - 2008
15 games
33 receptions
384 yards
6 TDs
Zach Miller - 2008
16 games
56 receptions
778 yards
1 TD
Good year for Boss in TDs. Both players improved upon 2007. Miller the more productive player in 2008.
Kevin Boss - 2009
15 games
42 receptions
567 yards
5 TDs
Zach Miller - 2009
15 games
66 receptions
805 yards
3 TDs
Miller outperformed Boss in 2009.
Kevin Boss - 2010
15 games
35 receptions
531 yards
5 TDs
Zach Miller - 2010
15 games
60 receptions
685 yards
5 TDs
Miller had better year than Boss.
In Summary, Miller has out-performed Boss every season since their rookie years.
CJ
Post a link or a URL for your source.
Since when is PFT not a credible source?
How old is your info? And how do you know Schefter didn't recalculate the $17.3M number to reflect only the top 51 players that are to be counted at the start of the league year. Duh!
You have no idea what you're posting. You just post to be confrontational.
You regularly copy post from the media, but when it doesn't serve your point of view, they're "mediots."
Your days are number here! It's time to rid this site of its cancer. You've become onfrontational on every post.
You present yourself here like a little child. Why don't you grow up and act like an adult. Otherwise, go back to the sandbox where you belong.
"CJ" Please...
Now your really making a fool of yourself...Go argue with your hero "J-Mac"...
If Boss comes it it counts as a "Big Name" NEW "FA" STARTER...Plain -n- Simple so just live with it Baby!!!...
"07" Jeremy Shockey was the starting "TE" for the Giants posting 57/619 yds 3 "TD"s...
"06" the Giants used Amani Toomer/Plaxico Burress/Steve Smith/Domenik Hixon as the primary receivers all get more receptions than Boss at "TE"...
"09" Boss was again the #4 receiver on his team...
"10" Boss was again the #5 receiver on his team...
Simply put it's as dependent upon where a player is as it is on talent...Zack has been used as our primary receiver the past 3 seasons and barely has put up better #'s than Boss as their # 5 receiver...Now just imagine what he could do as our #1...
Which is no doubt why he's excited about an opportunity to play for the Raiders....Don't you think!!!..
PantyRaider...Obviously Your Unable To Evaluate Stats!!!/_
"You've become onfrontational on every post."
Ha! Ha!...Now define "onfrontational"...
#100!!!!
Correction...
"08" the Giants used Amani Toomer/Plaxico Burress/Steve Smith/Domenik Hixon as the primary receivers all get more receptions than Boss at "TE"...
I can correct myself ThankYou
Past this in your search window stupid...It will lead you right to several sources...
From Schefter: Seven teams are over cap and will have to be under by Friday:
Now how much intelligence does it take to figure that one out!!!!
Well her it seem your way too stupid so use this URL...
http://www.google.co.th/search?q=From+Schefter%3A+Seven+teams+are+over+cap+and+will+have+to+be+under+by+Friday%3A+&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
" Expect Seymour to redo contract _$15 million base _ and save Raiders $11.2 million cap room."
http://www.google.co.th/search?hl=th&client=firefox-a&hs=Ks1&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=%22+Expect+Seymour+to+redo+contract+_%2415+million+base+_+and+save+Raiders+%2411.2+million+cap+room.%22&btnG=%E0%B8%84%E0%B9%89%E0%B8%99%E0%B8%AB%E0%B8%B2&oq=%22+Expect+Seymour+to+redo+contract+_%2415+million+base+_+and+save+Raiders+%2411.2+million+cap+room.%22&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=s&gs_upl=170706l177005l0l213937l75l14l0l0l0l3l819l4405l1.1.1.1.0.5.1l14l0
Please don't feed the troll, just let it ride into the sunset and bid farewell, it wasn't nice knowing ya. Boss does not constitute as a "splash". Gonzo baby.
JONES
What a complete moron.
The Schefter article he's pawning off on us as supplying "up-to-date" cap figures dates back to July 15th (during the lockout).
Here's the link... if anyone really cares.
http://tinyurl.com/6x7beq9
You freakin idiot!!!...That window on the side of that page is current articles NOT from the same date as the URL you posted...Your a complete Moron!!!...
Did you even bother to read it...
NotoriousOHM Ohm Youngmisuk
RT @AdamSchefter: 7 teams over cap will have to be under by Fri: STL $100K: ATL $1 MIL: DAL $3 M; DET $8 M; HST $8.5 M; PIT $11M; OAK $12M.
about 5 hours ago
Now did you finally catch the fine print at the end...
"about 5 hours ago "
Did you think that was 5 hrs before the URL you posted...What an IDIOT!!!...
Are you dyslexic or what because I'm having a hard time believing this ain't intentional on your part as the LIAR that you are...I fully believe you to just be a LIAR but just maybe this applies:
Dyslexia is a broad term defining a learning disability that impairs a person's fluency or comprehension accuracy in being able to read
You fully resemble that description!!!
In other news!!!
A few weeks ago, Eric Weddle signed the largest contract of any safety in the NFL. It was for five years and $40 million with $19 million guaranteed.
Berry – 6 years, $60 million, with $34 million guaranteed
Now were is the outrage over this!!!
PantyRaider...I'm Just Outright Amazed At The Stupidity!!!/_
You folks need to give up...The more you post the deeper you fall off into that "Pit-o-Darkness" occupied by JONES -n-"NYLiar"...Who the hell knows what those bosom buddies are doing with each other down there and who the hell cares to find out...So stop posting so close to the edge or you'll fall in with them...
Yuk!!!
The Boss About Boss!!!
Jackson said Raiders defensive line coach Mike Waufle "has a lot of glowing things to say about" Boss from their days together with the New York Giants. Boss was a member of the Giants Super Bowl winning team, and he averages 13.4 yards per reception.
"Are we still searching, turning over every rock to find someone to help us keep improving? Yes, we are," Jackson said. "The young guys are doing a good job. Richard Gordon, Ausberry, Myers, Brock; those guys are working hard. I feel good about them, but when you have a guy who was there, who was a very good presence, obviously we’ll look to get better at that position."
PantyRaider....Please Sign -n- Kick Some Crier Asses OUT!!!/_
JUST LEAVE BABY
I'm not much for stats.
I've seen Kevin Boss play, and he is very good.
Sure handed, and a big guy, tough to bring down.
A smart player, that hustles, and is a good blocker as well.
Boss would be a nice pick up, if we can get him. I hope we do.
Raiders bring in OLB Darryl Blackstock
Continuing in their trend of looking for talent at the UFL level, the Oakland Raiders have signed linebacker Darryl Blackstock to a contract. The details of the deal are undisclosed. Blackstock is a former third round draft choice of the Arizona Cardinals, where he spent three seasons before going to the Cincinnati Bengals for one season.
Blackstock has been out of the NFL since 2008, when he made four starts for the Cincinnati Bengals at both defensive end (3) and strong-side linebacker (1). At 6’3" 247 pounds with a 4.66 forty time, Blackstock has decent size and he can haul it. He was ranked the fourth best outside linebacker coming out of 2005 NFL draft.
Blackstock was considered an outstanding 3-4 linebacker in the Virginia Cavaliers defense back in college. He was assigned number 56 as a freshman by head coach Al Groh, who coached Lawrence Taylor at North Carolina and in the NFL with the New York Giants. Blackstock finished his collegiate career second in school history with 27 quarterback sacks and third with 45 tackles for loss. He was also second in ACC history in career sacks by a linebacker, half a sack behind former Georgia Tech star Marco Coleman who had 27.5 sacks. Nearly 20 percent of his career tackles at Virginia occurred behind the line of scrimmage.
In 2009, Blackstock played three games for the Florida Tuskers of the United Football League under current defensive coordinator Chuck Bresnahan. One of those games was the UFL championship game. In 2010, Blackstock still found very little interest at the NFL level and decided to play with the Virginia Destroyers. During that time, he played for former San Diego Chargers Head Coach Marty Schottenheimer.
I already know your NOT man enough to join the challenge "LIAR JONES"...
But here it is anyway!!!
Doubt your man enough to "Put Up Or Shut Up" but I will wager that Mr Davis makes a splash in "FA" this season....
Clarification:
At least one big name player if not 2....
Projected Possibilities:
"QB"s...Vince Young/Carson Palmer
"WR"s...Vincent Jackson/Plaxaco Burris
"OT"....________________________
"OLB"...________________________
"Sup-Draft"...Slash Pryor
Just make your mark on this dotted line...Please!!!
.................................
Obviously, you have no problem making personal attacks, then you're a crybaby when others attack you. You are a child.
Provide the link that I can see the update for myself or STFU!
From Schefter, I found this on twitter:
"As of this morning, there are five teams over the salary cap: OAK $15.25 mil; PITT $8.5m; DET $7.8m; DALLAS $6.7m: HOUSTON $3.25m.
6 replies Created about 4 hrs ago"
$15.25M is far removed from $12.0.
LIAR!
What does it matter? The Raiders have until tomorrow (or the start of the league year) to fall within the cap. That almost precludes FA activity at this time, unless the signings are below the top 51 salaries on the team... which don't count toward the cap.
Do you even have a clue?
What a little child you are. You're really 12, right? And this whole thing is just one big joke.
There's no need to try and bring Jones into this little boy (he will sit on the sideline and watch your stupidity on this site shortly come to end). This is between you and me. Your days here are almost done, so rant and rave all you want.
One of us is leaving this site.
Little child!
Your a total idiot!!..
We signed Huff -n- 2 "OL" so it stands to reason that that $12 Mil figure would escalate to $15.25 Mil at present which is a far cry from the $17 Mil that you posted was as of the 2nd or 3rd...This is the 4th is it NOT!!!...If what you posted was true we would now be closer to $20 Mil or more over the Cap...Or can't you add either!!!
Now be a good little boy and ask mommy for your crayon so I can draw you a picture!!!
I never made a personal attack on anything relating to you outside your inherit football stupidity which is in evidence every time you type with both thumbs...
Your Boudreau "LIAR JONES" posted:
Anonymous JONES said...
JUST LEAVE BABY
12:01 PM
Did you witness that...So it's apparent to me that he would like in but isn't man enough to join the party...
And YES your very much a JOKE!!!
I'm laughing at cha BABY!!!
JUST LEAVE, BABY
So Far We Have Signed: "FA"s
Trent Edwards QB
3rd rd pick
Height: 6-4 Weight: 231 Age: 27
College: Stanford
Experience: 5th season
2010 5 Gms 3 Start
2009 8 Gms 7 Starts
2008 14 Gms 14 Starts
2007 10 Gms 9 Strats
Total 37 Gms -w- 33 Starts
Started 89% of Games Played...
Stephon Heyer OT
UDFA 07
Height: 6-6 Weight: 332 Age: 27
Experience: 5th season
2010 Washington Redskins 12 gms 5 Starts
2009 Washington Redskins 16 Gms 16 Starts
2008 Washington Redskins 9 Gms 7 Starts
2007 Washington Redskins 12 Gms 5 Starts
TOTAL 49 Gms 33 Starts
Started 67.3 % of games played...
Justin Smiley "G"
2nd rd pick
Height: 6-3 Weight: 310 Age: 29
Experience: 8th season
2010 Jacksonville Jaguars 5 Gms 5 Starts
2009 Miami Dolphins 15 Gams 12 Starts
2008 Miami Dolphins 12 Gms 12 Starts
2007 San Francisco 49ers 8 Gms 8 Starts
2006 San Francisco 49ers 16 Gms 16 Starts
2005 San Francisco 49ers 16 Gms 16 Starts
2004 San Francisco 49ers 16 Gms 9 Starts
TOTAL 88 Gms 78 Starts
Started 88.6% of the games played...
Darryl Blackstock "OLB"
3rd rd pick "05"
Height: 6 ft 3 in
Weight: 240 lb
4.66 Speed
Experience 4 NFL -n- 2 UFL Seasons
-w- 6 NFL Starts
PantyRaider...This List Will Grow!!!/_
00 said..."Players have to step up.
That's just a fact of life in the NfL now days. "
You know what else is a fact of life in the NFL? YOU NEED TALENT to WIN, when you lose 3 of your top players, that makes your team WORSE. Replacing good players with Avg players, it makes the team worse. There is a reason why some players make more than others, it's called TALENT...please turn off the tap water.
JONES
You call that a splash? TOO FUNNY...more like a ripple....going down as a martyr I see, it's HILARIOUS and warped at the same time.
JONES
See...He's like that fat little boy with the snot running down his nose that no one invites to their party...Well except you!!!....Being your "Boy Friend" and all....
As you cry!!!
"There's no need to try and bring Jones into this"
"This is between you and me."
It's already a 3-some...Or did you forget about "CJ" backing you up like you were crying for...
Like This:
"Maybe somebody else could chime in and establish something reasonable."
And:
"There may be players outside that list but their inclusion will need to be agreed upon by more than your unilateral kangaroo court judgements."
And again:
"Perhaps it's time for some censorship while this contest continues to play out."
Cry Cry Cry....Pleas "RT" save he prays!!...
Hey Pantry LIAR.
You still haven't posted a link to the site that states $12M as of today.
What's your source, Liar? I have now found two sources more current than yours that state between $15 and $17 million.
Nothing you post here is credible. Your posts are filled with lies.
The clock is ticking. Your time here will be over soon.
Just leave, Child!
As of Wednesday, this statement by Steve Corkran says it all:
"The Raiders have yet to sign a high-profile player from another team. Backup quarterback Trent Edwards passes as the sexiest signing among players who played elsewhere last season."
Nothing has changed. Right now, it's NYRaider 2, Pantry Liar 0.
No matter what the cap situation, the list of quality FAs is down to only a few left.
There's no splash, only a fizzle; like the sound of air being let out of Pantry Liar's balloon.
Bye Bye, Child! Go troll somewhere else.
Now are you really that damn stupid or is this just an act...
You remember posting this URL today???
http://tinyurl.com/6x7beq9
And in the right side box/window was this not posted there:
NotoriousOHM Ohm Youngmisuk
RT @AdamSchefter: 7 teams over cap will have to be under by Fri: STL $100K: ATL $1 MIL: DAL $3 M; DET $8 M; HST $8.5 M; PIT $11M; OAK $12M.
about 5 hours ago
And did it not specify "about 5 hours ago"....
Than the follow-up from the same AdamSchefter gave a new updated figure of $15.25 Mil after the signings of Huff -n- the "G" -n-"OT"...
Now don't you get it at all...Are you really that damn dense...
So to finish drawing you a picture with your crayon that bogas report you posted that said $17.5 Mil as of the 2nd couldn't have been legit in the least...Not to mention it listed the wrong teams and wrong figures more than once...
Now go back in your corner with that "Dunce Cap" and wipe those tears from your eyes...
Like this that's posted there now:
ESPNChiBears Dickerson and Wright
Bears players just voted unanimously to accept terms of new CBA. JD
21 minutes ago
@VittorioTafur
Vittorio Tafur
Were the #Raiders over the cap? Yes. Will they be by Friday? No. Did cap have anything to do with losing Zach Miller to Cable? No
HEY Pantry Liar!
You never said $15.25M. You said $12M. That was from July 15, 2011, when Schefter first posted the info.
LIAR!
I see you're trolling and posting all over Silver & Black Pride. Are you a cancer on that site too?
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/
Soon you'll be full-time over there. I'm sure their posters will love that. LOL!
On Tuesday Greg Papa reported on his radio show that Zach Miller wasn't going anywhere and that he would likely sign with the Raiders that day.
Is he a liar too? Or is he a mediot?
If the Raiders had resigned Zach, I would have considered this a neutral off season even with the loss of Namdi. I think we all knew Namdi was gone but the Zach loss took me by surprise. He was a stellar blocker and an exceptional receiver.
We will be extremely fortunate to reach 8-8 again. I do like Hue and I think he is an upgrade over Cable even though I think we should have given Cable one more year.
The problem is the front office and not the coaching staff.
Roy
From PFT:
"10 days after this post-lockout free agency frenzy started, things are finally starting to slow down."
"Teams are mostly set for the upcoming season, with only a few big chess pieces left on the board."
Pantry Liar, your days here are numbered.
____________
Posted by Mike Florio on August 4, 2011, 3:57 PM EDT
"We previously obtained the salary cap room (or lack thereof) for each team as of Tuesday. Several of you have asked for something more current."
Your wish is our command.
Here’s the info as of Thursday.
"The teams in the red are: Raiders ($15,246,000)...."
_________________
Not $12 million, as reported by the professional liar.
It's time for you to raise the bar during your last few days or weeks on this site. Stop reporting bogus information like it's the absolute truth! You have no clue what the truth is.
By the way, PFT source for cap figures was Adam Schefter. The same data that I posted earlier that Pantry Liar could not figure out.
Below is a URL to PFT's team-by-team FA assessment (it's a video).
The Raiders segment is about 5-10 minutes in, and it's less than flattering. No lies, just simple and logical observations by knowledgable individuals. Needless to say, there's no discussion of a "splash."
http://tinyurl.com/3chkqlz
The point was that the Raiders way overpaid for Routt and Huff, and probably Seymour, while losing their most consistent player on offense (Miller). After dumping all that money, they bring in Gaither and Henderson, both of whom failed their physical. It's been a circus show (I added that part).
No mention of Wimbley. I think they ran out of time.
An excellent point was made in the comments field on Corkran's site. That person wanted to know why the Raiders and Lions are always over the cap, yet end up with the worst teams. That's a valid question.
The simple answer is Al Davis and Matt Millen.
It looks like our last gasp effort will be to restructure the contracts of Seymour, Routt, and another player or 2 to sign Boss as a replacement for Miller.
In spite of Miller being a more productive player than Boss, I would be pleased to get Boss on our 53 man roster.
The Raiders clearly need an experienced TE with solid blocking and pass catching skills.
This would be my projected off-season scoreboard:
Losing Ski and gaining Edwards: A wash
Losing Gallery and gaining Smiley: A wash
Losing Miller and gaining Boss: A slight downgrade but vital to get Boss in the fold.
Losing Asomugha and inserting Routt as #1 CB paired with #2 CB Johnson:
Significant downgrade but somewhat expected.
Overall, we took a step back by lowering the talent level and not building upon the foundation from last year.
It appears that Hue Jackson is truly trying to build a "bully" team that will lean heavily on a robust rushing attack. The reconstructed OLine needs to gel quickly and the young OLineman need to step up. The defensive front 7 needs to improve dramatically vs. the run and continue to create consistent QB pressure.
Hue is saying it is COMPLETELY up to Boss whether he joins the Raiders or not….with what he was saying before about keeping an eye on the Miller situation maybe he wants to come here!
Raiders | Darren McFadden to miss around two weeks
Thu, 04 Aug 2011 17:56:49 -0700
Oakland Raiders head coach Hue Jackson said RB Darren McFadden (face) will miss around two weeks because of a broken orbital bone.
Read more: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl#ixzz1U79opZ6k
Signing a vet TE like Boss should be of critical importance to the Raiders right now. Boss is a solid blocker as well as a proven pass catcher and can help in both areas.
Well we got Boss. That is a positive step after losing Miller. Still a slight downgrade but he should help in the running game.
Roy
Well there it is now say goodnight DICK!!!
Raiders | Kevin Boss reaches agreement
Fri, 05 Aug 2011 08:47:32 -0700
The Oakland Raiders have reached agreement with free-agent TE Kevin Boss (Giants) on a four-year deal worth $16 million.
Read more: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl#ixzz1UAiXqYpp
Raiders | Stanford Routt, Richard Seymour restructure deals
Fri, 05 Aug 2011 09:10:26 -0700
The Oakland Raiders were able to get under the salary cap by restructuring the deals of CB Stanford Routt and DL Richard Seymour, saving them $17.2 million of room.
Read more: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl#ixzz1UAiyHYrk
PantyRaider...ThankYou "MrD"!!!/_
"Boss isn’t as good a receiver as Miller, but he’s a superior blocker." (PFT)
Given the possibility that Campbell (and McFadden) might need extra blocking this year, Boss is a welcome addition.
I'm hoping Boss takes number 18 so I can scratch off the "M" on my Randy Moss jersey and replace it with a "B".
I'm sure there are numerous others that would prefer he change his name to Bussell.
"CJ"...
Commutative Property of Mathematics: If A = B than B = A...If A < B than B > A...If A > B than A < B and so on..That's a fundamental law explaining relationships....So now to proceed...
Nice to see that we agree on these basic points...
#1...Losing Ski and gaining Edwards: A wash...
So if you considered Ski as a top tier back-up "QB" than Ed would be viewed as the same...I'm sure from your past posts this point should be well established...In fact many a time on this board it's been posted that Ski should have been our starter...Ed was also a starter who lost his job so very similar to say the least and most likely NOT a starter out the gate but could end up as one depending upon what else transpires in his future....
#2...Losing Gallery and gaining Smiley: A wash
So if you viewed Gallery as a top tier "G" than Smiley would be viewed as the same...I think from your past posts that point has been well established...He's presently working at "LG" in place of Gallery and most likely will be the starter...
#3...Losing Miller and gaining Boss: A slight downgrade but vital to get Boss in the fold.
Here we will disagree slightly but there's little doubt Boss is a top tier "FA"...Again if you viewed Zack as top tier "FA" than Boss would be also...He will definitely be a starter...
#4...Losing Asomugha and inserting Routt as #1 CB paired with #2 CB Johnson:
Significant downgrade but somewhat expected.
Yes...Not wanted but most certainly expected...The only surprise here was resigning Huff...
Now I will add these that were left off your list...
#5..."Stupid Mario" was our diminished starter at "LT" and NOT welcome back...Instead we have signed Stephon Heyer "OT" to replace him as "OL" depth and he's presently working at "LT" behind Veldheer same as "Stupid Mario" was at the end of last season...Now it could be argued that he will start but really NOT likely...
#6...Darryl Blackstock "OLB"....With only 6 NFL starts and a 2 year span in the UFL he's hardly considered a starter...Fact is he played on a Championship team under returning "DC" Bresnahan but only had a few starts including that Championship game...Just a player who was worth bringing in for a 2nd look but may never make the final roster...
So in evaluation #2 -n- #3 do represent NEW Starting Top Tier "FA"s...But more will now follow..
If you care to wait and see how the final roster breaks down I'm kool with that...Opening day lineups will establish the facts beyond any doubts...
No doubt "NYCrier" will shed his tears all over this post but facts are facts and realty is realty...This was about "FA"s being brought in when it was posted that Al Davis was too strapped $$$$ over the Cap to make any "Splash" in "FA"...My take was "Not to Worry" because the "Master Capologist" will find a way...
This had nothing to do with who was lost or resigned and in retrospect it's been established beyond a reasonable doubt that Nmamdi/Gallery -n- Zack were simply NOT coming back....But how could we have known that!!!...
PantyRaider...Have No Fear...More Are On The Way!!!!/_
nyraider said...
Signing a vet TE like Boss should be of critical importance to the Raiders right now. Boss is a solid blocker as well as a proven pass catcher and can help in both areas.
4:25 AM
Blogger nyraider said...
"Boss isn’t as good a receiver as Miller, but he’s a superior blocker." (PFT)
Given the possibility that Campbell (and McFadden) might need extra blocking this year, Boss is a welcome addition.
9:20 AM
Your not attempting to down grade this acquisition now are you!!!...
He is a "Top Tier" FA and on that damn list you posted....
Whoops!!!...Got this backwards:
If A > B than A < B and so on..
Should read:
If A > B than B < A
That clears that!!!
Boss is an Avg player, it is not a splash, signing avg to below avg is not a splash, adios amigo. Just get the hell out, baby.
JONES
You were too much of a coward to take part so you now have NO voice in this....
Do what you do best....LIE without the slightest TRUTH in you...Satan!!!
Where is the outcry over this shit!!!
Steelers | LaMarr Woodley signs extension
Fri, 05 Aug 2011 10:10:30 -0700
The Pittsburgh Steelers have signed LB LaMarr Woodley to a six-year contract extension worth $61.5 million. Woodley will receive $18.1 million in the first year of the deal and $27 million over the first two seasons.
Read more: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl#ixzz1UBA1qArK
ESPN's take:
Boss continues to be a consistent performer. He is a big, strong player with deceptive speed and quickness. He is a physical blocker and is able to set the edge in the running game. Boss understands leverage and angles. He has reliable hands as a receiver and is a solid route runner for his size. He can break arm tackles but will not make a defender miss. Kevin Boss has developed his overall game each of his four years in the league.
good we signed boss... i know we can't be tying up the entire cap space on tight ends but just think of what we or j. campbell could have had if we had zach AND boss...
anyway, we'll miss zach but this guy has skills too otherwise he wouldn't have 16 td's. so we know he knows how to find the end zone. only thing is... hopefully he won't be as fragile as zach.
Boss was a good signing. By all accounts Boss is an upgrade over Miller in terms of run blocking and pass blocking. He also gets the nod in finding the end zone and being more physically imposing. Miller was more productive in total receptions, as go to receiver, converting 3rd downs, and total yards.
In my mind, the Raiders best bet to be a highly competitive team in 2011 is to use the rushing attack as the centerpiece and fulcrum of a productive offense.
Also, utilizing the rushing attack to set the tempo., ball control time of possession, making play action pass more effective, and lastly, giving the D the edge by being well rested.
Top playeR on each side of the ball, not playerS.
And we've since signed Boss, who is pretty much an even swap. I think he will be better for the offense because he's a better blocker (not that Zack was a bad blocker by any means).
I want to see this list of players who are not deserving. I'm sure Routt tops your list. The only reason everyone didn't scream about us being screwed when Mr Woodson left is his production was way down the last few years because he was so banged up.
Only read a few posts, I'm sure most of the 147 at this point are PR and NYR beefin'. Stir it up boys! Just don't hit your 'ole lady or kick the dog when you get home.
-moshbucket
So now that the 'Boss" has been signed, all is well? Mr. Davis has made Routt a top 3 paid Corner, Huff a top paid Safety, Wimbley a Top LB and Seymour a top DT. No concerns there? Seymour is on the downside of his career, Wimbley Routt and Huff are all Avg.
The cap ramifications down the road are going to hurt. Just like the huge money Mr.Davis threw at Hall and Walker are huge cap hits today.
The O-line is a mess, Wr's are looking the same as when Mr.Brown left, BUT, the Raiders signed the 'Boss', all is forgiven? Doesn't take much to satisfy Raider Nation these days.
JONES
-moshbucket...
Rest assured I'm just luvin Baby!!!...
Well except for the dogs...We eat's them here in Cambodia!!!...Tasty critters they are!!....
still in the game.
JasonLaCanfora Jason La Canfora
by nflnetwork
Hearing the Bears, Skins and Raiders all have at least some interest in LB Lofa Tatupu and CB Kelvin Hayden
PantyRaider...Just Supportin Baby!!!/_
LIAR JONES...YOUR STUPIDITY IS OFF THE CHARTS!!!
Article 11 of the new CBA contains the rules that will allow the league to transition into the new league year, and buried among the many items within it is the following subsection:
Section 5. Salaries and Salary Cap Accounting:
….(b) Proration From Preexisting Contracts. ….(i) No signing bonus proration to the League Years of this Agreement shall apply for any Preexisting Contract that was terminated, traded or assigned via waivers prior to March 11, 2011….
Happy to see we signed Boss and Smiley.
Disappointed we couldn't retain Asomugha, Gallery, and Miller.
Being handcuffed in our ability to add to our overall talent base was due to bad cap management which can be attributed to overspending on Routt, Seymour, Wimbley, and Henderson.
Time to move on and put together the best possible 53 man roster.
"CJ"...
Realistically the only surprise here was Miller but only because we didn't know the Raiders had other intentions...
"Disappointed we couldn't retain Asomugha, Gallery, and Miller."
#1...Gallery was never coming back and that was very well known so his replacement was drafted and than another "FA" signed...
#2...Mr Davis informed us that Nmamdi was gone but we just didn't want to believe that...Well he was telling the truth and now we know to trust his words...His replacements were drafted while other Vets were re-signed and promoted...Namely Routt-n-Huff who might also play some at "CB" according to the speculations I have seen...
#3...The "Zack Attack" being shipped out was a surprise but in doing so we save a boat load of $$$$ and don't miss a beat...That was just good business....
As to whether or not we improved or slipped will be evaluated on the field of play very soon but NOT just on the basis of personal perceptions of value opposed to non-value...Just no real evaluation in that speculation...
PantyRaider...Next Man Up!!!/_
Here is an excellent Camp Post from another insider from a "Blog Site" who is now sharing time with "Saint" over at "S&BP" in the Raider's Press Box......
http://tfdssports.com/2011-articles/august/raiders-training-camp-day-8-sterling-has-his-day.html
Several little insider points to view...Far too many to just copy-post...But "Copy-Posting" will continue!!..
PantyRaider...Read The Whole Thing If You Hate My Copy Posting So Much!!!/_
The truth hides behind statements (i.e., lies by dog eaters) claiming to be fact.
1). Gallery's replacement wasn't drafted. It's Daniel Loper, who is a backup G who was given starter's money to replace Gallery.
2). Davis stated it might not make sense to sign Asomugha if he could have 2-3 players for the same price. So Davis signed Routt for over $10M a year and a huge guarantee. Asomugha, a far superior shutdown CB, signed with the Eagles for $12M a year and a lower pro rated guarantee than Routt. In a nutshell, we sacrificed Nnamdi to sign Routt to a mega deal. (Perhaps Nnamdi was a little too vocal publicly about shortcomings of the Raiders’ defense.)
3). Zach Miller made it very clear that Davis never got the wheels turning to renew Miller's rookie contract (Miller had been waiting since last season). So we have no way of knowing how much the Raiders could have signed Miller for. Miller never even tested the market until he was contacted by Cable.
And even if the new CBA doesn’t carry over dead money from past contracts (I don’t know), Davis is implementing the same pattern of mortgaging the Raiders future. It’s not paid off in the past.
NYRaider - Getting the facts straight... and the truth shall set you free. Bon appetit!
This is an interesting contrast:
From Steve Corkran:
“Friday’s seven-on-seven session looked much the same, with backup quarterbacks Kyle Boller and Trent Edwards dissecting the defense time and again, the way it’s supposed to work in such a drill.
From Levi Damien:
“Trent Edwards is still getting used to the Raiders offense. That alone is expected but what one may not expect is that he would look about the same as Kyle Boller. Boller was not in rhythm and was making some ill advised throws. At one point he went right and then threw left across his body and Chris Johnson was waiting there to pick it off for a returned touchdown.”
Hmm? Are these guys watching the same team?
Unrelated, what’s up with Michael Bush, who hasn’t signed his tender? Is he planning on starting the season out of shape and pulling himself out of series during games, again?
Did I eat your damn Dawg!!!...
Who the hell wants that MUTT BITCH!!!
THIS:
1). Gallery's replacement wasn't drafted. It's Daniel Loper, who is a backup G who was given starter's money to replace Gallery.
How much is his contract...Post some facts NOT just "BS" that we're suppose to accept from a known LIAR!!!
THIS:
"WiZ II" is projected "C"/"G" and working 1st team at "G" -n- 2nd team at "C"...
Barksdale is projected "OT"/"G"...
Campbell who was drafted last season as a possible replacement is projected "OT"/"G"...
It's reported that Loper is looking terrible but NEW "FA" "G" Smiley is looking great...
Now give up trying to copy me with your tripe -n- feeble attempts like THIS:
"NYRaider - Getting the facts straight... and the truth shall set you free. Bon appetit!"
I'M NOT YOUR DAMN HERO!!! or Freakin BOYFRIEND!!!...So let go that damn sickass "MANCRUSH!!!...
WoW!!!...Now that's really "Rocket Science" to your very minute "Mental Midget" capacity....So difficult to explain...
Now where's that crayon of yours...Oh!!...There it is...
From Steve Corkran:
“Friday’s seven-on-seven session"
From Levi Damien:
"the Raiders offense."
WoW!!...Could they be reporting on 2 completely separate Camp Events here...Ya know like this:
Overall the offensive line was unsettled. Most of the day the first team was LT Jared Veldheer, LG Daniel Loper, C Samson Satele, RG Cooper Carlisle, RT Khalif Barnes. Stephon Heyer had some time at right tackle as well as running at left tackle with the second team.
Hummmm!!..."7-on7" as opposed to a full "OL" of 5 + other players so like maybe 13-on-13 as the "Raiders Offense" as opposed to a "7-on-7" Drill!!!...
But than how the hell would you know that...You never had enough gonads to fill a JOCK and never enough nerve to SERVE!!!...
LaCanfora:
I’m hearing from sources around the league that the Bears, Redskins and Raiders all have at least some interest in free agents LB Lofa Tatupu and CB Kelvin Hayden.
Both Tatupu and Hayden are just 28, and already have years of big time starting experience. However, they are both available because they can't stay healthy.
Jerry McDonald tweeted this nugget yesterday:
Not likely to come to pass, but idea has been floated within organization to move Ro-Mac outside, Goethel MLB. Reasoning behind Ro-Mac, Goethel debate . . some feel Goethel better at taking on blockers, Ro-Mac better at angles.
Could it be that the Raiders are considering bringing in Lofa to play the middle?
PantyRaider...So Many Questions So Little Time!!!/_
Bush is in the house
Huffy247 Michael Huff
Guess who I’m eating breakfast with right now~~~~~~~> @michaelbush29 I need y’all to welcome him to napa.
This is what it's like to be really involved as a Raider:
Saint and I are just couple of bloggers, who are not bound by laws, rules or etiquette of traditional journalists. Yet as we got ready to head for the field for the first time, Taylor laid out the ground rules simply by saying, "Just follow the rest of the other guys. Don't write what they write; you guys do your own thing, but watch them to know where and when to go."
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2011/8/6/2348024/2011-oakland-raiders-training-camp
PantyRaider...Damn Sure Wish I Could Have Been There!!!/_
Bush signed - officially announced.
08/06/2011 Re-signed RB Michael Bush
PantyRaider...Your Running Out Of Things To Cry About...But I'm Sure You Can Make Up Something!!!/_
Hey PantryLiar! Prove me wrong. Loper was signed and Gallery was shown the door. The only draft pick made with the intention to start was Wiz II.
"PantryLiar...So Many Questions So Little Time!!!/_"
Yes. Your time is running out.
Now go chase down your dinner. Ruff!
Do you have a question for Kevin Boss???
Kevin Boss To Meet The Press At 1:30 PST In Napa:
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2011/8/6/2348363/kevin-boss-to-meet-the-press-at-1-30-pst-in-napa
Just keep crying "CryBaby" but you'll get NO relief from me!!!
Now digest this LIAR!!!...
08/06/2011 Re-signed RB Michael Bush
08/05/2011 Signed TE Kevin Boss
08/03/2011 Signed LB Darryl Blackstock
08/02/2011 Re-Signed C Samson Satele
08/02/2011 Signed offensive linemen Seth Wand, Justin Smiley and Stephon Heyer.
08/01/2011 Re-signed LB Kamerion Wimbley
07/31/2011 Re-signed FS Michael Huff
07/30/2011 Signed free agent QB Trent Edwards
07/30/2011 Re-signed LB Sam Williams and OT Khalif Barnes
07/30/2011 Signed DT Derrick Hill
07/29/2011 Signed T Cody Habben
07/29/2011 Waived LB Quentin Scott
07/29/2011 Re-signed LS/LB Jon Condo and DE Jarvis Moss
07/28/2011 Signed T Joe Barksdale D3-11
07/28/2011 Signed WR Steve Goulet, WR Derrick Jones, WR Edward McGee, QB Jordan La Secla, DB Sterling Moore, FB James McCluskey, DB Zac Etheridge, LB Chris Francis, LB Bani Gbadyu, OL Lou Eliades, OL Ben Lamaak, OL Alan Pelc, DT Jamie Cumbie, DL Mason Brodine
07/28/2011 Signed C Stefen Wisniewski D2-11, DB DeMarcus Van Dyke D3-11, CB Chimdi Chekwa D4-11, WR Denarius Moore D5-11, TE Richard Gordon D6-11, WR David Ausberry D7-11
07/27/2011 Signed RB Taiwan Jones D4-11
04/29/2011 Raiders traded a 2011 7th round draft pick (#219 overall) and a 2nd round pick in 2012 to New England for a 2011 3rd round pick (#92 overall) and a 2011 4th round pick (#125 overall)
03/01/2011 Signed S Jerome Boyd
02/25/2011 Re-signed RB Rock Cartwright and CB Stanford Routt
02/24/2011 LB Kamerion Wimbley designated franchise player
02/17/2011 DT Richard Seymour re-signed
01/05/2011 Reserve/Future Signing: P Glenn Pakulak
01/04/2011 Reserve/Future Signing: WR Damola Adeniji, WR Shaun Bodiford, TE Kevin Brock, DE Tommie Hill, G Alex Parsons, DB Joe Porter, RB Louis Rankin, G Roy Schuening, LB Quentin Scott, FB Manase Tonga
24 Transactions
05/14/2010 Signed G Daniel Loper
PRO: Physical offensive lineman enters his seventh NFL season, second with the Raiders…Has played in 58 career games at both guard and tackle, making nine career starts…
2010: Saw action in 10 games with four starts in first season with the Silver and Black…Part of a group that set a franchise record by averaging 4.9 yards per rushing attempt…Contributed to a line that produced the second ranked rushing attack in the NFL…Filled in at LG for an injured Robert Gallery, making four starts early in the season…Inactive for six games…(9/12) @ TEN: Made Raider debut, seeing action on special teams and at LG…(9/19) vs. STL: Started at LG…Blocked for RB Darren McFadden, who totaled 145 yards on the ground…(9/26) @ AZ: Started at LG…Aided McFadden’s 105-yard rushing effort…Blocked on a two-yard touchdown run…(10/3) vs. HOU: Started at LG…Part of an offensive line that helped QB pass for 278 yards…Blocked on a two-yard touchdown run…(10/10) vs. SD: Contributed to a 104-yard rushing effort by RB Michael Bush…Blocked on a three-yard touchdown run…Recovered a fumble for a three-yard gain, sustaining a drive that culminated in a score…
You can really dig yourself some deep dark pits without escape...I guess you really are that stupid!!!
You have never impeached me even once!!
But I have impeached you repeatedly!!
You have proven yourself a LIAR and all I need to do is point it out!!!
Which you make so damn easy every time you type with both thumbs!!!
Raiders Sign WR Chad Jackson
Player Bio
Played in the NFL from ’06 to ’08 with the Patriots, Broncos, and Bills. Spent the last two years in the UFL. Likely signed to replace UDFA Derrick Jones, who unfortunately suffered a torn Achilles the other day in practice. Just camp depth???
2nd round in '06
36th overall pick in 2006 NFL Draft. Tore his ACL in the ’06 AFC Championship game and struggled to stay in the league ever since.
The triangle numbers are certainly there: 6’1", 220 lbs, 4.32 40-time, etc.
Not a terrible no-risk signing at all.
WR Chad Jackson - Best Hands
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sktpjvtz9iQ
If this guy can be resurrected we have a jewel at "WR"...
PantyRaider...Due Diligence Scouting For Players!!!!/_
More Up-Dates...Scratch One!!!
Raiders | Justin Smiley announces retirement
Sat, 06 Aug 2011 18:17:06 -0700
Oakland Raiders head coach Hue Jackson said Saturday, Aug. 6, that OL Justin Smiley has decided to retire.
Read more: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl#ixzz1UIxeI2CZ
Raiders | Derek Hagan signed
Sat, 06 Aug 2011 18:37:02 -0700
The Oakland Raiders signed free-agent WR Derek Hagan (Giants) Saturday, Aug. 6.
Read more: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl#ixzz1UIxoK5Ly
Raiders | Two bodies added
Sat, 06 Aug 2011 18:37:30 -0700
The Oakland Raiders signed rookie free-agent WR Shawn Bayes (Kent State) and FB Bryson Kelly (Central Washington) Saturday, Aug. 6.
Read more: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl#ixzz1UIxzOe8A
Derek Hagan WR
Height: 6-2 Weight: 215 Age: 26
Born: 9/21/1984 Northridge , CA
Experience: 5th season
5 NFL Starts in 59 games played...
TOTAL 85/969yds @ 11.4 ave -w- 5 TDs
It's been posted on this board that NO high quality "FA" would want to come to my Raiders...Well shove this up your asses!!!
Boss: "Yeah, we knew it was a possibility. I was surprised that he did go to Seattle, but he had to make that decision that was the best for his family. When this door opened up, being a West Coast guy, I was excited about the opportunity and when they brought me and had the chance and talk with coach Jackson and coach Henry and have dinner with them, I felt like it was a no-brainer and I was really excited."
"I knew a couple of guys who had been briefly in New York about being out here and they all loved it and it kinda made my decision even easier.”
PantyRaider..."Glory of the Raiders" Lives On!!!/_
Michael Bush: Just by watching practice, this might be the fastest team that I’ve been around since I’ve been here. Just a lot of excitement. Stay patient with us and hopefully everything will work out – playoffs this year sounds good too and hopefully we can get there.
Now when a Raider player talks about his team being faster it's time to take notice....Team speed has always been a trademark of the Raiders but now our roster is laced with it at several positions which is why I believe if Pryor is available in the "Sup-Draft" that he should be added to bring that speed to the "QB" position as well...
Now though the key will be getting our "QB"s to play as fast as our roster permits...Having all that speed wasted like last season because the "QB" couldn't play fast enough caused way too many plays to be wasted that should have been productive...If this can now be turned around our "O" should be superlative!!!
PantyRaider....Several Thing To Watch For In Upcoming Games!!!/_
Huffy clears up the Bush holdout mystery:
Okay, so I woke up today and had pretty much the same breakfast I had the other day, but the best part of the day was that as soon as I walked down the stairs I saw Mr. Bush. He finally made an appearance at camp; I give him a hard time on Twitter all the time, so we finally got him out here. But he told me the reason why he was holding out, it’s because the first day he was supposed to come back we were supposed to have live goal line, and last year when we had goal line I met him in the hole and he went back and fumbled the ball, so he said this year he wouldn’t come until after we finished goal line. So that’s the reason he held out this year.
Now notice where "Wiz II" is spending his time just like I posted when called a Liar by that "NYLiar"....
Raiders | Samson Satele sees majority of reps at center
Sat, 06 Aug 2011 21:11:50 -0700
Oakland Raiders C Samson Satele saw a majority of the reps at center for the second straight day Saturday, Aug. 6. C Stefen Wisniewski saw action at guard on more than one occasion. "I'm going to let these moving pieces unfold," head coach Hue Jackson said. "(Wisniewski's) one of our better linemen, there's no question about that. He's doing a tremendous job. Sammy's in there and, right now, I don't know exactly how all that's going to go."
Read more: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/NFL?page=0#ixzz1UJZpY8x2
PantyRaider...Another Failed Attempt At Impeachment!!!/_
Raiders | Daniel Loper gets two-year deal
Tue, 08 Mar 2011 23:34:20 -0800
The Oakland Raiders have given OG Daniel Loper a two-year contract worth $1.9 million in 2011, and $2 million in 2012, reports Jerry McDonald, of ANG Newspapers. Loper, who started four games in 2010, might be a potential starter in 2011.
This comes as a result of "NYLiar" posted this crap at me!!!...
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Blogger nyraider said...
The truth hides behind statements (i.e., lies by dog eaters) claiming to be fact.
1). Gallery's replacement wasn't drafted. It's Daniel Loper, who is a backup G who was given starter's money to replace Gallery.
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Ya!! Right!!...
Now he thinks $1.8 Mil is starters $$$$ for a freakin "LG" replacing that "$8 Mil Man" who he himself posted was a "BUST" selection by Mr Davis...Than he cries because we didn't give him even more of our $$$$.....
What a "TOOL" is right!!!....
Will his LIES ever cease!!!
Also, a quick word on Derek Hagan.
He’s another hard working, tough as nails player. Profiles as a possession guy. When Steve Smith and Hakeem Nicks went down last year, we picked him up off the street and he instantaneously became our 2nd WR.
He’s the “security blanket” type guy. He won’t stretch defenses at all, nor will he give you a big play…but he will ALWAYS be cognizant of where the 1st down marker is. He also has damn good hands.
Now here is the word on "The Boss" Pros -n- Cons from a Giants fan writer who knows his play the past few years: Damn good read too...
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2011/8/6/2349247/a-kevin-boss-scouting-report
PantyRaider...Enjoy!!!/_
Wow... Last pre-season everyone here was complaining about an inattention to improving the offensive line. Many of us said that you can't approach every issue in one off season, and that this year would likely be the year of focus.
This year we've been focusing on the o-line to almost the exclusion of everything else. But now folks are complaining that we didn't keep Gallery who was the first choice of most to be replaced last season.
In the off season Davis made it very clear that his intent was to bring back the same team that completed play in 2010 with two exceptions. He said that Nnamdi would likely go because he was too expensive (you can't have one guy take up a quarter of the defensive budget) and Gallery (another cost/benefit analysis).
And this was exactly the course that was followed. The only difference was that we lost Miller because Davis had him on the bottom of the priority list. Miller was on the bottom of the priority list because Davis didn't feel he wasn't good enough, he was on the bottom because there were more than adequate replacements to be had if we lost him. Enter Boss - a BETTER TE than Miller.
The Raiders are a team on the rise - and the vast majority of the NFL believes that to be the case. I think the problem lies with folks who are upset that Davis is still here, and the team is back on the rise. Their arguement that the Raiders will never compete again until Davis is gone seems to be falling apart.
In fact, I'd argue that the Raiders are improving, not because Davis is turning away from his old methods, but because he's returning to them.
Note that the top players we've lost will only come back to hurt us in ONE game every FOUR years.
One more thing... Loper DID NOT replace Gallery. Loper was signed and only designated a starter because he was the replacement for Gallery, and Gallery is GONE. However, Jackson says that he is spending camp determining the best mix. Gallery's replacement will not be officially decided until the end of preseason.
This "OT" is a real bargain if we make the effort to get his big ass back in shape...
NFL | Bryant McKinnie unlikely to get job soon
Sun, 07 Aug 2011 08:32:19 -0700
Free-agent OT Bryant McKinnie (Vikings) likely will not sign with another team in the near future because he is grossly out of shape and was not able to finish a workout while with the Minnesota Vikings. He reported to Vikings training camp at 386 pounds and usually plays at 350 pounds.
Read more: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/NFL?page=0#ixzz1UMUktoOq
Nmamdi still not very durable but that ain't our problem anymore!!!
Eagles | Nnamdi Asomugha dealing with minor injury
Sun, 07 Aug 2011 08:26:08 -0700
Philadelphia Eagles head coach Andy Reid said CB Nnamdi Asomugha (leg) is dealing with a upper leg injury but it is not considered serious.
Read more: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/NFL?page=0#ixzz1UMVouVbb
PantyRaider...Positive Twist In Everything!!!/_
Howdy-Howdy "BR"...
Love to hear from you Bro...Hows the health and everything going??...
The voice of reason has emerged again...And your so right about the ill will -n- tears on this board...It's even worse than a 2-n-14 season around here...
But at least "RT" is trying and I think "CJ" is hopeful which is better than his previous disposition...But the personal agenda's against Mr Davis prevail as they smoulder on in everything "Silver-n-Black"...
Myself I have about had enough and have found a bright new frontier to post at where logical positive takes are very welcome so if your interested would love to have you join us there.....
PantyRaider...Challenged Finished I'll Take My Leave!!!/_
http://www.silverandblackpride.com
What???...How can this be..."Wiz II" replacing Gallery at "LG"!!!
Rookie second-round pick Stefen Wisniewski got a lot of work at left guard while Samson Satele worked with the first team at center. Jackson said. "I'm going to let these moving pieces unfold," Jackson said. "He's one of our better linemen, there's no question about that."
Another UFL Player added:
Thursday, the Raiders signed veteran receiver Shawn Bayes. Also signed was fullback Bryson Kelly.
The slightly built wideout made the Oakland Raiders 2009 preseason roster and played in two preseason games. This year the Raiders offered Bayes a contract,
Hartford Colonials receiver Shawn Bayes is a quick little speedster hailing from Kent State University. He compares his game to that of the Carolina Panthers’ Steve Smith because of his speed and ability to makes moves with the ball in his hands.
Bryson Kelly "FB"
Position: Running Back
Height: 6-2. Weight: 235
Central Washington University
PantyRaider...As We Slowly Fill Out Our "90" Man Roster!!!/_
The Raiders believed after last season, and they believe today, that the talent on last year's team was better than an 8-8 record. That is one of the chief reasons that Cable lost his job. Cable celebrated an 8-8 season while Davis thought his team was worthy of 11-5.
In pre-season, the long and the short of it is that you are either on board with that belief, or you're not.
If you feel that the Raiders should be looking under every rock to find the best free agents available, then you are not likely on board with the team we have, and feel that it will all fall apart in the end.
For my part, I feel the team has been rebuilt from top to bottom with youthful talent aching to perform. I also believe that this is the best team the Raiders have put together since their last Super Bowl year. This team is better than 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009 and 2010. I am also of the opinion that the talent level of the team last year was 11-5.
Most prognosticators are picking the Raiders to at least win their division. Personally, I think they are going to be very exciting to watch this year.
Scorpio:
I think Ausberry is going to be a big surprise. He is just now transitioning to TE, so he may spend a season on the practice squad, but I think he might compete with Boss in the end.
Gotta say, having Trent Edwards as a back-up or possible future starter is a far more hopeful prospect than keeping Grad around. He was an awful QB, and he simply doesn't have the physical tools to be a quality NFL quarterback, even as a back-up.
Blanda - When Loper was signed to two-year deal for about $4.0 million he was the heir apparent to Gallery. The fact that Loper is not performing well in camp and might get displaced by Wiz II or any other rookie should come as no surprise to anyone.
In terms of the Raiders concentrating on the O-line, you are correct, but let's not pretent this is a process of well-planned timing. Gallery and Morris were drafted together in hopes they would anchor our line for many years. They're both gone.
The Raiders had 11 draft picks in 2007 - trying to build a winning team - and only Michael Bush remains on the roster from that draft... which featured JaMarcus Russell.
I like Hue Jackson and think he has a chance to do well but I can't pretent this was all planned.
Seems like sometimes we lose pieces as fast as we add them.
Hagan is a good sign, especially given the extreme weakness of our WR corps in the 'hands' and 'route running' department. I'm not sure Boss though. Dude can block, but he can' catch the ball. We have way too many guys like that on our roster already.
11-5? Pretty doubtful. I'll settle for a single game above 0.500.
Enter Boss - a BETTER TE than Miller.
Good grief brother Blanda. I know you work every angle at shining Davis in the best light possible, but no sane person could ever rate Boss higher than Miller. Ridiculous. The best move Davis has made is to rid the organization of the cancer that was Tom Cable, and bring in a guy who actually has a brain (Hue Jackson). Big kudos to Al for seeing the light. Hopefully, Hue brings some innovation to a team that has been playing in the dark ages during the post-Gruden era.
AvantGrape:
I'm not sure where you get the notion that Boss can't catch. He came close to displacing Shockey in NY. He's been in the league for the same amount of time as Miller, and has far better receiving stats than Miller (and Boss, I might add, was only the number 2 TE in NY). He's also a superior blocker. In fact, the two players who I believed we couldn't improve on (Nnamdi and Miller) - we improved with Boss over Miller. Don't get me wrong, I loved Miller, but I'd go to battle with Boss any day.
NY: Loper was NOT signed as a replacement for Gallery. However, when he replaced Gallery during injuries, he played as well as Gallery. That made Gallery (at 8 mil plus) expendable.
I said earlier that I think this is the best team since 2001. I also think this will be the best O-line since 2001.
I'm absolutely certain that we now have the best coaching staff we've had since 2000. That will go a long way to bringing the rest of the team along for the ride.
AvantGrape, I'd check your stats. If you go by stats alone over the past four years, Boss is the better deal.
Hmmmmm, lets see.
Seahawks sign TE Miller. Nice
Raiders sign TE Boss. Very good.
And Giants have TE, ???
So who is having the terrible off season ?
I read that Eli Manning is very upset that he lost his best 3rd down/red zone, receiver, Boss.
This should tell us something.
Signing Boss = good move by Raiders.
When Loper was signed, the Raiders had abandoned any hope of re-signing Gallery, and they had little or no other options at that time (perhaps Bruce Campbell). Obviously, that has changed with the draft and possibly with free agency (although, Smiley retired).
That said, please don't speak in absolutes that Loper was NOT intended to replace Gallery. That was the most viable option on the table at that time.
From Fox Sports:
"Loper, a guard, could slide into a permanent starting role with the impending departure of Robert Gallery."
From NBC Sports:
"Loper performed poorly and typically has whenever given an opportunity, but he is currently considered the favorite to replace Gallery in 2011." (Mar 8th)
His two-year contract is worth $4.2 million, which is a lot more than a backup G typically makes.
BR,
Welcome back. However as far your comment, "AvantGrape, I'd check your stats. If you go by stats alone over the past four years, Boss is the better deal."
Seriously BR?! Too funny. I love it when someone says "check the stats" and then doesn't do so himself. Priceless. I'm on board as far as Boss being a good signing. He is a better blocker than Miller and a notch below in pass catching productivity.
Kevin Boss - 2007
13 games
9 receptions
118 yards
2 TDs
Zach Miller - 2007
16 games
44 receptions
444 yards
3 TDs
Both were rookies. Zach was clearly the more productive player.
Kevin Boss - 2008
15 games
33 receptions
384 yards
6 TDs
Zach Miller - 2008
16 games
56 receptions
778 yards
1 TD
Good year for Boss in TDs. Both players improved upon 2007. Miller the more productive player in 2008.
Kevin Boss - 2009
15 games
42 receptions
567 yards
5 TDs
Zach Miller - 2009
15 games
66 receptions
805 yards
3 TDs
Miller outperformed Boss in 2009.
Kevin Boss - 2010
15 games
35 receptions
531 yards
5 TDs
Zach Miller - 2010
15 games
60 receptions
685 yards
5 TDs
Miller had better year than Boss.
In Summary, Miller has out-performed Boss every season since their rookie years.
Though I still think that losing Nnamdi was a big blow, we have to look at some history.
When C-Wood left the Raiders, I did not (and still don't) think and feel that Nnamdi was better than C-Wood, nor could ever replace him.
Now that Nnamdi is no longer a Raider, his time here proved that. He didn't have Interceptions like C-Wood had, nor could he shut down the running game and screens like C-Wood did. I'm not taking away from Nnamdi at all; I think he is an incredible defender, and was a leader on the Raiders; but in comparison to C-Wood; he doesn't compare.
My point to all of this, in comparison to Nnamdi, Stanford Routt doesn't compare. If we had a choice today to sign C-Wood, Nnamdi, or Routt; I think the majority of us would choose C-Wood over Nnamdi/Routt; and Nnamdi over Routt. That is why I think letting Nnamdi go the same way we let C-Wood go is absurd!
I do think that Boss is a viable replacement to Miller (and a better blocker). Miller struggled with blocking patterns, but soft hands for passes. Boss has both, blocking skills and above average catching skills. Not complaining about that.
Al Davis suggesting to let Nnamdi go for financial reasons actually made sense, but it didn't go down that way. Routt was signed to almost the same money (higher pro rated guarantee). When you add in the huge salary increases given to Wimbley, Loper, Eugene, etc, seems like letting Nnamdi go was a mistake.
I have to agree with BR on this one no disrespect CJ. Boss only started 2 games in 2007 , then 15,15,13. which not only shows some durablity, but for half the price at what Miller got. I find that logic hard to argue with...and I cant always say that about the Raiders. I like this one.
Topher
We never won with Nnamdi I think it was time to move on. the only thing similar about routts contract and Nnamdi's was the guaranteed money the over all contract isnt close. plus if we kept him and routt that would had made it difficult to sign boss and that would have been bad.
Topher
CJ, check Topher. And also note the Red Zone productivity. Relevant, don't you think? Also, remember that Boss was the number 2 TE, not the number one. The one length of time he replaced Shockey, the fans were ready to replace Shockey with Boss.
NY, Loper was only deemed the replacement for Gallery because he was the best on the table AT THE TIME. Personally, I think that Loper has had time to prove himself in the NFL, and he's proven himself to be a good backup. I think I can likely assure you that Loper will NOT be out opening day LG barring injuries. So what's your problem. Gallery, at 8 million plus, was NOT worth it.
Blanda -
I was responding to what you said, that Loper was not signed as Gallery's replacement. I disagree. At that time he was signed all indications were that he was heir apparent to Gallery.
I agree that Gallery is not worth $8M but I would also say Loper is not worth the $4.2M he'll receive in his new contract.
Topher -
The thing about Routt v. Asomugha is that Nnamdi was scheduled to make around 18M when the Raiders voided his contract but signed with the Eagles for a reasonable $12M. Routt went from a couple million (I'm guessing) to $10M+ with a huge guarantee. These guys went from being well over $10M apart in salary to less than $2M apart. Suddenly, Asomugha looks like a bargain.
Also, Miller was the Raiders #1 receiver the past three seasons. Boss has some big shoes to fill. IMO, his strength will be blocking in pass protection and running. Therefore, it's time the Raiders' WRs step up and earn their keep.
DHB is quickly approaching legit bust status. This kid Moore is 10x the rookie DHB was.
"I have to agree with BR on this one no disrespect CJ. Boss only started 2 games in 2007 , then 15,15,13. which not only shows some durablity, but for half the price at what Miller got. I find that logic hard to argue with...and I cant always say that about the Raiders. I like this one."
- Topher
First off, if you want to throw out Miller and Boss' rookie seasons and judge years 2,3,4 then Miller was MORE productive and MORE durable.
Overall the statistics between the 2 players:
Zach Miller has produced 226 receptions while Boss 119.
Zach Miller has produced 2,712 reception yards while Boss 1,600.
If you are asking me whether Boss was a good signing at a reasonable contract, the answer is yes.
If you are asking which player was more productive in 2007,2008,2009, and 2010, it is Miller hands down.
"Also, remember that Boss was the number 2 TE, not the number one."
Nonsense. Boss was the #1 TE for the NYG from the latter part of 2007 (when Shockey was injured) all the way to the end of last season.
Shockey joined the Saints in the 2008 season.
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