Five Postgame Takes
1. What's that sound? A monkey jumping off our back. Opening game victory. Monday night victory. Prime time victory. Hue Jackson victory. RAIII-DERRS!
2. That said, they sure made it unnecessarily uncomfortable. A three point margin? Phew. It was a strange game. I felt like the Raiders dominated, but in the end, it wasn't a very dominant outcome. It seemed, in many ways, like a typical Raiders game of recent years, with the incessant stupid penalties, questionable composure, anemic passing game, and ill-timed defensive and special teams breakdowns...And yet it was also a different brand of football than we've become accustomed to, with a more aggressive and complex defensive approach, confident offensive playcalling at the right times, hard-nosed hitting on both sides of the ball, and, overall, just a better vibe. I think that the running game is setting the tone for this team, and everything else is trying to follow. Of course, there were games like this last year as well, tentative victories full of promise. It's time to deliver on that promise with consistent winning football. The weeks ahead will be very revealing.
3. Chicken or the egg? Campbell or our receivers?
4. Does Denver have the most annoying-looking fans or what?
5. I see a team that is caught in a cultural struggle between the recent past and a promising future. Tonight, they won that struggle. The nitpicker in me says it never should have been this close. But this is no time to nitpick. I called this a must-win game. They won. 'Nuff said. Great start to the season.
P.S. Jano's record-tying 63 yarder was the difference. Bravo!
2. That said, they sure made it unnecessarily uncomfortable. A three point margin? Phew. It was a strange game. I felt like the Raiders dominated, but in the end, it wasn't a very dominant outcome. It seemed, in many ways, like a typical Raiders game of recent years, with the incessant stupid penalties, questionable composure, anemic passing game, and ill-timed defensive and special teams breakdowns...And yet it was also a different brand of football than we've become accustomed to, with a more aggressive and complex defensive approach, confident offensive playcalling at the right times, hard-nosed hitting on both sides of the ball, and, overall, just a better vibe. I think that the running game is setting the tone for this team, and everything else is trying to follow. Of course, there were games like this last year as well, tentative victories full of promise. It's time to deliver on that promise with consistent winning football. The weeks ahead will be very revealing.
3. Chicken or the egg? Campbell or our receivers?
4. Does Denver have the most annoying-looking fans or what?
5. I see a team that is caught in a cultural struggle between the recent past and a promising future. Tonight, they won that struggle. The nitpicker in me says it never should have been this close. But this is no time to nitpick. I called this a must-win game. They won. 'Nuff said. Great start to the season.
P.S. Jano's record-tying 63 yarder was the difference. Bravo!
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Closer than I expected but a "V" is a "V"...
23-20 and I'll take it!!!
OAK DEN
First Downs 20 25
Total Yards 289 310
Passing Yards 99 272
Rushing Yards 190 38
Penalties (Yds) 15(131) 10(91)
Turnovers 1 3
Punts (AVG) 6(34) 4(31)
Time of Pos. 32:35 27:25
Stats
OAKLAND RAIDERS
Passing CP/AT YDS TD INT
J. Campbell 13/22 105 1 0
Rushing CAR YDS TD LG
D. McFadden 22 150 0 47
M. Bush 9 30 0 12
M. Reece 1 11 0 11
J. Campbell 6 2 1 7
J. Ford 1 -3 0 -3
Receiving REC YDS TD LG
D. Heyward-Bey 4 44 0 17
M. Reece 3 23 1 16
J. Ford 3 22 0 12
B. Myers 2 10 0 7
D. McFadden 1 6 0 6
PantyRaider...Now 2 "MuleHead"s Will Be Changing Their Post Pics To Our Raider Image...Of Our Choice!!!/_
NYR...
I will concede your technicality and post no contention to it adding that Boss was also out due to injury....
For info Heyer was at "RT" many times in this game in an offset "OL" where Barnes is inside...He was in for the 2nd or 3rd play of the game...That's a "FA" Starter in my book...
At "S" our other new "FA" played extensively and had an Int...He replaced Huff later...Prolley also should be categorized as a "FA" Starter...
Thin air contributed to this as it was necessary to keep everyone fresh...
Expect a new "FA" "LB" very shortly and possible move at "CB" as well....
PantyRaider...Happy With This "V"!!!/_
DUDE.....WE WON!
I AM GOING TO ENJOY IT AT LEAST UNTIL NEXT SUNDAY!
DONKOS CELEBRATE TOO EARLY AND THEY ARE DUMB
AND ON TOP OF IT WE SHOULD BE IN FIRST PLACE BY OURSELVES.....THANKS TO MCNABB
I'll take it and smile for a week.
A few nitpicks, but nothing that can't be fixed as the season progresses.
Passing D worries me as too many wide open receivers.
The stupid, undisciplined penalties are going to be our undoing. Callahan might have been right
Denver's fans are truly annoying, but by the worst are the Steelers fans.
Angelic Raider-
No clown car but can we fit Kalif Barnes in that fucking thing, please.
I am going to have another great week out here in Colorado!!!
"RT"...
Re: #4...
Try talking with the "ASS"s and it's even worse than looking at them...I have posted with many of them season to season but now they were noticeably in a different frame of mind...Absolute "MuleHead"ish!!!
They are so down that they take offense at anything...No sense of humor..And they are so diminished that they try anything to get what they perceive to be an upper hand...Grasping at air is not even close to describing them...There was no joy in the battle of words this season and I just quit replying to most of what they posted...
It's just real pleasant to know that they won't recover now after we made it 4 in a row....
Hell..."JeBustus" started it with a single point "V" late "09"....
PantyRaider...Mules Are So Ugly!!!/_
On The Bright Side: Besides the 1-n-0 Record...1-n-0 AFCW...
We won this game without some starters in the lineup...
"TE" Boss
"WR" Murphy
Our passing game wasn't very good but may be improved when we have everyone in the game...Have to feel that this will be an added benefit...It was just good enough to keep them from crowding the box constantly on us so that was effective...Props to "DHB" for leading the way...How about that...A "WR" is our leading Receiver!!!...In fact the "WR"s recorded twice the yds and more catches than the "TE"s-n-"RB"s combined...
The Run was there and it was very damn good...Not great because we didn't get to the 250yds that I projected but very damn good none the less....It should get better as time goes along and "TJ" becomes a greater contributor...
Our "D" was absolutely stout against a team hell bent on running that "Pig" down our throats...They failed to the tune of only 38 total yds...If we can keep something close to this up we're finally no longer the "RunDummies" of the NFL...
The Pass "D" gave up plays but held when pushed up against their Goal and took that "Pig" away 3 times...They kept the "QB" under assault for a good potion of the contest...Mixed up their coverages and playing Cover 2 resulted in a Pick...
Brenahan said his plan was to take away the run and make them one dimensional...He did that very well while the "O" scored enough to make them play catch up while making mistakes...We got greater Sack production out of our "DL" than their whole "D" managed after all that pimping what a terrible night was facing our young "OL"...
Meanwhile "KC" looks done and "SD" was not very impressive in a game that they could have very easily lost...So the AFCW looks ripe for the taking and we are definitely in the running for it...
Just to go back in time because I love to rub it in: All those great front office moves by the "Donky" -n- "Squaw" don't look very rewarding at this point now do they???....
PantyRaider...Having Faith Pays Off...My KoolAid Is Intoxicating And My Mug Is Full!!!/_
Angelic Raider-
Watching the game again and I noticed what made this game so different was the pressure from our front four. If we (and that's a big if)can knock these copious amount of penalties we get per game, we have the makings of one of the better defenses in he league. Feels good to see your team blitz. Am I alone when after watching any other team blitz I say "I wish my team would blitz!"
I also didnt get nervous after Denver made it 23-20. I find myself sometimes saying "here we go another comeback". It was refreshing to see us moving the ball and fighting to get first downs, removing any chance the broncos get the ball back.
Don't know hopeful to be for the entire season but it feels good to start the season off without think about the draft order.
Angelic Raider-
Little drunk still,Hope last post reads ok.
It's A Tie???
PantyRaider...........-5
NO @ GB…That’s Really
Tough!!…Green Bay at home.....+1
Atl @ Chi…..Atlanta...........-1
Ind @ Hou…Prolley no Manning…Houston..............+1
Buf @ KC…...Matt out it's now Buffalo!!!....................+1
Ten @ Jac….Jacksonville.......+1
Cin @ Cle…...Cats-n-Dawgs...Cincinnati..........+1
Phi @ StL….NOT a Philly Fan…Philadelphia...............+1
Pit @ Bal……Pitts always wins this one….Pittsburgh.................-1
Det @ TB…..Don’t buy that hype…“TB”............-1
Min @ “SD…Please please make me wrong on this one….”SD"..........+1
NYG @ Was..NY Giants.............-1
Car @ Ari…..Arizona..............+1
Sea @ SF….Both suck…"Seachickenvile is Homes.... Ville for me so Seattle…...........-1
Dal @ NYJ…Can you do something in the Apple…Nope!!…NY Jets but their “O” is sucking...............+1
NE @ Mia….Missing in Action so "New England..................+1
Oak @ Den…Tebow will light up our “D” so NOOOO!!!…Just funkin wit’cha…OakTown Dominates!!!......+1
Raider Nate 75....-5
NO @ GB…NO...................-1
Atl @ Chi…..Atlanta..........-1
Ind @ Hou…Houston............+1
Buf @ KC…...Buffalo!!!.......+1
Ten @ Jac….Jacksonville......+1
Cin @ Cle…...Cleveland.......-1
Phi @ StL….Philly............+1
Pit @ Bal……B-More............+1
Det @ TB…..Det...............+1
Min @ “SD…Min................-1
NYG @ Was..NY Giants.........-1
Car @ Ari…..Arizona..........+1
Sea @ SF….SF.................+1
Dal @ NYJ…Jets...............+1
NE @ Mia….NE.................+1
Oak @ Den…Oakland............+1
How could that happen??/_
Great win! Great kick!
The 63-yarder was money. Amazing!
I was proven right on DHB starting and Barnes getting pulled. Although, DHB played well (I am thrilled to be proven wrong on that count). Barnes did not play well; just the opposite... and neither did Heyer, who was actually worse. The Raiders have a big hole at RT.
Hello, run defense.
And hello, zone coverage (even with its flaws).
While it was mostly the front seven that stopped the run, playing zone defense allows the Raiders to protect against the big run play and creates more opportunity in pass coverage, like the INT.
Without Nnamdi, zone D is a must.
Great win!
Great game by our D and RB's. However, our receiving corps is the biggest joke in the league unfortunately. No hands...poor route running = same ol' shit. How the hell is H-bey a starter? He wouldn't make the roster on most NFL teams. Al has allowed the D to play more zone this year; it's now time he lets Jackson choose a serviceable receiving corps. The track record in this area has clearly been poor.
Simple Questions:
#1...How did Barns play poorly??...There was only one sack given up in the game while "JC" enjoyed good protection most of the game...The run worked to the tune of almost 200yds when the #1 intent of their "D" was to take that run away...We even ran out the clock when they knew we were going to try to run out the clock...
Heyer made mistakes yes...Justified to call him out on that...
#2...Why would anyone be disgusted by "DHB"s play in this game??...He led all receivers and caught everything thrown to him while blocking very well in the run game...
As to starting Murphy was out...Moore is a rookie....Hagen was inactive and said to be dinged while prolley not knowing the "O" yet entirely...Chaz is made of glass but played a little....
#3...We ran some versions of the zone last season under the "MarshMallow" -n- as reported by Woodson he played some zones under Bresnahan when he was with this team back at the turn of the century so why the belittlement of Mr Davis regarding just now allowing his "DC" to employ Zone coverages??..
It has been duly noted that we were playing a Cover 2 at the time of our pick which is a new Zone twist brought to us by Bresnahan and this took place near the RedZone....But I would submit that from you who have consistently denied that any "DC" is allowed to coach this team there needs to be props given to Mr Davis for his very effective "D" coverages...You can't in one breath condemn the man for wearing all those hats and in the other breath claim that his "DC" made those changes!!!..I won't allow it even knowing that it was Brsnahan that made that call...Not unless you acknowledge 1st the simple reality that is...
PantyRaider....Truth Has Meaning While Negative Spins Produce Nothing!!!/_
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So Denarius Moore hardly plays because he's a rookie? That's funny, because DHB sure started as a rookie, despite doing nothing week after week.
Later in the game last night, there was a replay of DHB trying to put a hitch move on a defender, and it was pretty sad. He seems to be able to run in a straight line pretty well, but he sure hasn't mastered the art of getting open.
take, dhb DID have a decent game - a good game even. he made some catches and got some yardage after his catches so for HIM, it IS a good game.
jano, our 2010 mvp. what more can you say about this guy? his FG was the difference.
d-line looked good.
we have GOT to get away from the STUPID penalties. building a bully doesn't mean committing these idiot penalties.
panty, i wanted to test that link you sent for a real game. it works great. now i have something to watch during blackouts. in fact, i had my mac set up next to the TV. there was almost zero delay from the tv telecast to the internet stream. THANKS bro! if you have a backup would you mind sending that? you never know when big brother is watching and he comes and shuts down that and other sites like it. :o)
overall, you can tell this team is confident. a little overconfident. gotta channel our aggressiveness to more production instead of dumb ass penalties. one small step to start, but a good start!
btw, before i start my work day...
talk about classless. those denver fans showed how unclassy they were by booing, then start chanting for tebow, then turning around and cheering the guys on the field (namely orton) when he did something good. make up your mind peeps! if you cheer for your team, then stick with 'em!
dumb asses!
Yeah, DHB was on the field for most of the game, and he made four catches.
Do you think Denarius Moore could match that if he started?
More important, do you think he could exceed that? If so, why not try?
DHB didn't show half of the promise of Moore in his first year, and he was a starter as a rookie.
Yet Moore barely plays after lighting it up in camp and the preseason? Something's fishy there.
I'm tired of grading our receivers on a curve.
oh and one more thing...
HOLD ON TO THE &*^&%$$&*(*%^ DAMN BALL GUYS!!!!!
It's a win...but, did the Raiders make Denver look that bad or are the Donkies just that bad? The penalties, it was ugly.
McFadden, he is a star and could easily go to the Pro Bowl this season. No way DHB should be a #1 Wr, Hagan would be much better in that spot. RT is a huge weakness, how many false starts between Barnes and Heyer? The running game looks powerful, but, it was the Donkies, who couldn't stop the run last year.
Jano and Lechler are the best kicking duo in the league and that is a big plus. Defense...they were playing against a pathetic Offense, Orton looked terrible and they should have put in Tebow IMO because that Oline they have cannot block without grabbing someone.
The Dline was in the QB's face all night, excellent, this will have to happen every game. If it does, the Raiders can take the division. The new Safety looks like a player, Johnson will get worked all year....I have to see the Raiders Defense against a decent Offense before annointing them a top Defense.
Buffalo next week, they looked to have a competent Offense, so it should give a better barometer to where this team is at. Good win and keep them coming.
JONES
Handling of the WRs is still a mystery. According to Corkran, Hagan had a full practice and looked ready to go, but was inactive for the game.
PR said, "It's A Tie???...How could that happen??/"
We both lost some games that we had similar picks on.
The difference the picks that we were differing on:
NO v GB-you; negated by Pitt v Bal
Cincy v Clev-you; negated by Det v TB
Then Sea v SF-me; negated by Min v SD
That makes 6 games of different picks (not 5).
The picks that we lost that were the same: Atlanta, NYGiants to make 5 losses for each of us.
Buffalo's offense is going to be our test against the run defense.
Fred Jackson put up 112 yards against a sorry KC Defense; which allowed Fitzpatrick to put up 208 yards, and 4 TDs.
Take away Fred Jackson's run game; take away their offense. We cannot give up the big run in this game. Pressure on their running game equals pressure on Fitzpatrick!
Their defense is going to be a test for our offense. We will see what our running game is made of, and if it gets shut down, we will see what our passing game is made of. They held Jamaal Charles to 56 yards, and KC's offense is a lot like Buffalo's and our offense. They rely on the running game.
I think our running game will succeed if we don't try to pound the ball like Jamaal Charles does (comparable to Mike Bush style); but let McFadden and Jones light them up with speed. I think this may be the game Tawain Jones "breaks out."
This game scares me because it is going to tell me a lot about the Raiders, more so than last night's game. If we play Buffalo like we did last night, we will lose. JUST WIN, BABY!
"RT"...
"JC" only completed 13 passes...4 were to "DHB"...How do you fault any receiver in this circumstance...
"DHB" caught everything within reach...One was ruled out of bounds because "JC" threw it too far out but it was still a catch by "DHB"....
That's 5 of the 22 passes thrown...About 25%...The other 8 passes that failed to be receptions were either thrown into the ground or well off target except I remember only Ford having a drop....
Chaz was in the game so why didn't he have a catch???....Moore was in also but not targeted when he was open....
I don't know why Hagen was inactive but I suspect it has to do with being the newbie and not fully knowing the "O" yet and the nick...Murphy -n- Boss were out with injury...
Bottom line is our passing game is a work in progress...Allot of that is on "JC" himself...If it's not thrown close it can't be caught....
PantyRaider....Picking On Our Best Performer Is Foolish!!!/_
Frankly, Just happy to be 1-0.
Really excited about how ACTIVE the Defense was all night. All the pressure on the opposing QB that was noticeably absent during the preseason showed up big time when it counted. Take away the punt return td (nice block in the back no call!) and the Jacoby Ford fumble and our defensive effort becomes even more dominant.
Some weird play calling at times (I know it worked once guys but the multiple delayed handoffs for 3 yards on second and long is not going to cut it.) but overall I felt like the gameplan was sound based on the opponent. Offensive line gave great protection all night (remember how Von Miller was suppose to revolutionize football and set the single season sack record in week 1?)
The penalties thing is obviously an issue, but what bugs me the most is its clear that it has a lot to do with PERCEPTION.
The Raiders=lots of penalties.
Its in every refs mind from the start of the game to the end. Its always hilarious for a Raider fan to watch other football games and clearly see how refs just flat out let other teams PLAY. Let's face it, everyone knows that there is most likely a penalty on EVERY PLAY in an NFL football game. Perception determines how many of those penalties will be called and on whom. Changing that perception will be Hugh Jacksons biggest challenge.
Can't wait for Sunday, should be fun.
So far, so good. Raiders backed up words with action on the field.
I'm an old time Raiders fan, so penalties don't bother me, as long as we win.
My theory on DHB. Raiders started him because they planned to run ball, and DHB is a good down field blocker.
OK, it's a stretch. but I'm trying to be positive. and afterall, Raiders did win, and DHB wasn't totally useless, with 4 grabs.
Grat start to season. congrats, Hue, on first win. Just win'em all baby.
Liked the win last night...
First season-opening victory since 2002, their first win in a Monday night game in eight tries and the first prime-time victory in 12 games.
But as Coach HJ said, "“I haven’t slept, the (postgame) meal was horrible, I’ve been watching Buffalo, so I don’t feel good right now because (the Bills) beat the team that they played really badly,” Jackson said Tuesday at his weekly news conference. “Right now I’ve got some issues and I have to address them. It will take me probably until Sunday to feel good again.”
Definitely need to address some key areas and hopefully we'll do better as the season progresses. The D looked great when going against the run, but the miscues in the secondary and such needs to get better. Though the Blitz was a blessing in disguise and we all welcome more throughout the season PLEASE!
Like to see JC get more into a passing rhythm and get the ball down the field. DHB is coming along slowly but surely. Now is the time to show us all why you were the Raider's #1 draft pick 3 years ago. Run-DMC is a beast and the line did a great job up front, except for K Barnes…he just needs to be shot...LOL
15 more games boys, time to start getting it done, 1 game at a time.
GO RAIDERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Stoked to get a divisional, road "W" to open the season.
It was fantastic to see McFadden pick up where he left off last year. McFadden could be a truly special, elite player in this league. Loved seeing him deliver violent, punishing blows to the defenders to finish off runs.
Is the Donkey's rush offense THAT bad or was our front 7 disciplined in their gap control, lane assignments, and tackling?
Nice to see Giordano get off to a good start. He is athletic and instinctive.
Interesting to see more zone coverage and blitzing. I was pleasantly surprised by the solid tackling and lack of back breaking big gainers given up by the D.
It looks like our passing attack will be "by committee" and opportunistic. There really isn't 1 reliable, productive, complete receiver but a collection of parts. The combination of using our back Reece, Bush, McFadden, soon to be TJones, to supplement and diversify our passing attack will be critical.
Sunday vs. Bills should be an interesting barometer for the team.
My biggest surprise is Al sitting on that Cap $$$$ space and not making any moves..$5-$8 Mil..I expected to see something this week....
We have brought in "LB"s Tully Banta-Cain -n- TaTuPu for work outs but made no efforts to sign them...We had Lito Sheppard in the house who played well in our last preseason game but have not brought him back while he now has a tryout with another team...And while our "OL" played well there 's still a need for an additional body but no movement is detected???
Maybe the short week could be a factor I suppose...Not wanting to bring in a new player to work into the lineup while pressed for time??...
Meanwhile we have 2 more injuries...Ford's hammy and Huff's groin...Hope those don't bite us very bad while we wait for "MM" -n- Boss -n- Murphy to heal and return....That's a major part of our production lame...
Buffalo won't be easy but neither are they even a mid level force...I think "KC" was just really that damn bad and Buffalo was highly motivated after the way they were punked last season by that team losing when they had already won...Points were taken off the board while "KC" was given 2 chances to make "FG"s...
My gut feeling is Buffalo will be a little flat..They already blew their wad and will not be up for us the same way they were for "KC"...Our "D" will play much better than "KC"s and our running game will continue to function very well...Buffalo is fairly one dimensional....Run the "Pig"...Take that away as we did to that "Donkey" and this one is ours...
Buffalo is very weak against the run but "KC" abandoned their strength and tried to throw into the teeth of that Buffalo "D"...I don't expect us to do that...Run-Run-Run and dump off to the "RB"s-n-"TE"s while working in the "WR"s as the opportunity presents itself...But open up the game going deep to discourage that 7-8 in the box crap...
For this reason expect "DHB" to get another start....The Rush "O" is his best fit...When we have to air it out is when we can expect a change in personnel and when we have the other bodies healthy...Until than "DHB" presents our best option...
PantyRaider...Nice Start But Only The Start!!!/_
PS...As I reported there were some challenges with some "Donkey" fans and it ended up involving 3 of them...Only 1 has been man enough to show up wearing our image as his posting pic...The other 2 have shown them selves to be complete cowards and LIARS!!!...NOT surprising in the least...I accused them as such prior to the game and they have proven me right...
So I'm posting their names everywhere to expose the nature of their cowardice!!!...I would never act as such...
by Rodney A
by Broncs55
@ SB Nation....
Props to Whidbey Bronco for acting like a man!!!
If Huff is down for the Buffalo Chips game, I'm very confident in Giordano to be a roving free safety. What we lose w/o Huff is an experienced DB/Nickel Back for 3 WR sets. Who steps in to play nickel? DVD?
The Ford loss is manageable too. I expect it to be Schillens & DHB plus Hagan & Murphy in spot duty.
The key, AS ALWAYS, is for us to establish the run and stop the run. We do those 2 things and we are a HIGHLY competitive team.
CJ
"CJ"...
Murphy is out until at least week #3...
From "J-Mac" documentation that Bresnahan came out with what I have been pimping sense we showed it under the "MarshMallow" in the 4th quarter "V" over "SD" last season...That "5-Man Front"..."52" "D"...
Run defense: The Raiders stuffed Denver from the outset. The Broncos had just 38 yards on 13 carries, averaging 2.9 yards per attempt, with two rushing first downs. Knowing the Broncos would want to establish the run, the Raiders went with a five-man line and two linebackers to start, inserting John Henderson. Grade: A
Now if they will just go to it as the "Monster Big-Nickle" I will be totally impressed...
Pull out a "OLB" and insert another "SS"...Could be a "OLB"/"SS" tweener type which Boyd/"MM" somewhat fit that position...But Tulley Banta-Cain might be the best fit here....Fast and strong as pass rusher but should also be good in coverage...
PantyRaider...And They Said Al's "D" Is Always The Same!!!!/_
Way to go Al Davis...Nice job of calling that "D" Scheme last season and this one...You grade out at A+....
Giordano will replace Huff, and Hagan will be back this week to replace Ford. I think this will give Moore a chance for punt returns as well. I'm interested in seeing how Tawain Jones will do, he is faster than McFadden, and seems to be more patient for the hole to open. Don't get me wrong, I like McFadden, but I think Tawain Jones is going to be a better back in the long run.
The key to this game Sunday is not giving up the big run on defense, and a steady attack on offense. This is a beatable team, but so was Arizona last year. Buffalo is very comparable to the Cards of last season, very stingy/hard hitting defense, not a very exciting offense; but good enough to get the job done. We are going to need better play from the right side of the offensive line, reduce stupid penalties, and build on the victory from Monday Night.
Something very noticeable about Monday's game was that Rod Woodson seemed to be very involved in how the Defense was being run from the sidelines. He wore a headset and when the camera was on him, he seemed to be very involved. I find that significant, does he have Mr. Davis' ear? Also, I heard that the team gave the game ball to Mr. Davis. A couple of points I thought should be pointed out.
JONES
Observations:
Preseason – It is very apparent to me that the short preseason hurt the Raiders more than most. While the Raiders benefit from the hire of Hue Jackson, because the team was already familiar with Jackson, it is also apparent that the Offense and Defense have undergone significant changes in both philosophy and terminology – especially on defense.
I’ve had a problem with the way the Raiders have run preseason games since Shell II and training camps since Bugel. I don’t like the idea of keeping veteran starters on the sideline in both games and practice to “keep them healthy.” The starters need to become familiar with each other for the new season and develop cohesiveness. During practices, I feel the veterans need to be there to advise the youngsters. However, I’ll give Jackson a pass on this issue, for this season, because of the injuries during camp.
O-line:
This is best O-line the Raiders have put together since the Gruden years. Campbell still holds the ball too long, yet he was only sacked ONE time. The line opened enough holes for the backs to run through. 190 yards rushing against Denver is pretty damned impressive.
Wide Receivers:
The Raiders have the best crop of wide receivers since 2002. They didn’t open up the passing game on Monday night because they didn’t need to. And shut-up already about DHB. He missed one catch because the deep ball was thrown too far outside. DHB came down with it, but unfortunately out of bounds. Three of his four catches were important to the game because they gave us a third down conversion. The 9 yard catch at the end of the game to give us a first down (allowing us to run out the clock) was a perfect call by Jackson, and perfectly played by Campbell and DHB. If DHB represents no threat to opposing teams, I’d like you to tell me why he seems to be drawing so many PI calls against opposing defenders.
Take, training camp wonders don’t always translate well to the regular season. Moore will get his playing time. If Ford is unavailable in Buffalo, trust me, you’ll see a lot of Moore.
Defensive front seven:
Possibly the best unit in the league right now. Only allowing 38 yards rushing to Denver is also pretty damned impressive.
The DBs:
While there were some coverage problems, DB was thin for this game and we had to put the youngsters on the field. I have felt that DB was our least deep position, but the youngsters, for the most part, held up their end of the bargain. We didn’t start sticking with mostly zone coverage until the injury to Huff, diminishing our ability to go one on one. This also caused us to can the blitzes to keep a sufficient number of defensive backs in coverage. The pressure in the second half was engineered by the front four alone. Also, very impressive.
Penalties:
I don’t think they will prove to be our biggest problem. We have to eliminate the false starts, the others I can deal with. The PI I thought was bogus, as well as the illegal contact call. As for holding – Denver had the lion’s share of those. The holding call on Wiz, I thought was a good play by Wiz. He had to prevent his man from getting to the backfield in time to break up the late hand off to the WR. If Wiz had not held, there very likely would have been a fumbled hand off on that play. Wiz, it seems, is a thinking man’s OL.
Predictions:
It’s going to be a slow start, and I predict a 4-4 first half record. Our chances at the post season will be determined in the second half of the season. We may lose the next three games, but I think we’ll keep them close. For this season, injuries to DBs will be key.
WoW!! "BR"....
I agree with most everything you posted and agree the start will be a little slow but take exception with being 1-n-3....
I'm seeing 2-2 at worst...Maybe 3-n-1 with only a loss to "NE" at home which I will hate...
Buffalo isn't all that and I suspect they already blew their wad..They will prolley be a little flat this week while having trouble getting up for this one...
The Jets are definitely beatable...They struggled to come from behind against a weak Dallas team with "SOB" as "DC"....
PantyRaider...But Time Will Tell!!!/_
Reportedly our "D" went heavy Zone after the Huff injury due to not having an available player who was apt at "M-M" in Nickle Coverages and that our new "FA" "FS" came to us from a Zone oriented backfield...Which would be noted as "D" Adjustments...How long has that been void in OakTown??...
Namn was mentioned as the loss that caused us to use the Zone more heavily but reportedly he's not appearing much like a "Shut Down" "CB" in Philly...Not only is he being run at but also targeted and had his failures...Speculation even surfaced that he may have been the product of our system which I find funny after all the talk that our highly rated pass "D" was a product of Namn....
However I don't think one week is enough to judge this either with Namn in Philly nor our "D" coverages in OakTown but bears watching...Just as a point of interest..One thing is for certain....Our Rush "D" was vastly improved with the same personnel as last season...
PantyRaider....Not Always As Thing Appear To Be!!!/_
RNate75 -
"Don't get me wrong, I like McFadden, but I think Tawain Jones is going to be a better back in the long run."
Yikes! McFadden is a proven RB, one of the best. Let's not wish for his replacement just yet.
Jones -
That's more zone than the Raiders have played in the last 3 years combined. While it wasn't perfectly executed by any means, it's encouraging to see.
Woodson has no coaching experience, but his professionalism and experience as a player is a huge plus.
As for being more "multiple" on defense, Woodson was true to his word.
NYR...
"As for being more "multiple" on defense, Woodson was true to his word."
Be careful...This sounds like you think a "D" coach has his say about Al's "D"????..Ya know...As reported we all know who runs Al's "D"???...
PantyRaider....Too Many Things Appear A Little Shifty This Season!!!/_
Right!!!...
NY...question is, how long will it last? If Woodson has his ear, maybe Mr.Davis will listen. If it is happening, that's all the fans have asked for, is for Mr.Davis to stop dictating and start adjusting. Now after one game, it's too hard to say either way, time will tell and just have to sit back and watch it unfold. Beating a poor Denver team in a sloppy game is a win, but not going to do cartwheels yet.
JONES
As owner and de facto GM, Al Davis gets the bulk of the credit for our good fortunes. And our recent bad fortunes. Since I didn't deny him credit for our bad fortunes, I can, with consistency, applaud him for our good ones.
He is either making better decisions, or hiring and delegating to those who are making better decisions. He is changing or adapting or simply performing better on some level to right the ship. We're still only 8-8 until we're not, but the Raiders are no longer irrelevant, and that's a small victory unto itself after a record-setting stretch of failure.
Sustained success or failure in the NFL isn't random. It's not astrology. It's organizational, and it always starts at the top, either through hands-on involvement or smart (or not) delegation.
Good for Mr. Davis. He's seems to be finding his way out of the woods. Never count the man out.
Like I wrote, RT, it's one game against a poor team, it's going to take much more than the 1 game to write in stone that Mr.Davis has turned over a new leaf. If he has, I agree, good for him, I will only ask if he has turned that leaf, WHAT TOOK YOU SO FREAKIN LONG? But, it's too early for that. I need more, we have seen signs before just to see it all crumble again, more time is needed.
JONES
Jason La Canfora
Raiders QB Pryor’s appeal hearing set for Thursday
"RT"...
Fact is what really goes on under that "Cone-o-Silence" is almost completely unknown to any of us...While some are accused of drinking the "KoolAid" for accepting the Raider's official press releases others hang on every word vomited up by damn "Mediot"s or Self Appointed NFL Experts/Analyst/Scouts....The divisions within the Raider Nation are the by product...
So it's now one or the other:
#1...Al wears all the hats and has really been calling the "D"...
#2...Al has always let his coaches coach but intervened when they were in trouble...
But now in the sight of this "Rock-n-a-Hard Place" and no desire to give Mr Davis any credit for this "D" the past 2 seasons or this recent drafts those same damn "Meadiot" types have started pimping a new tactic to keep from admitting to the obvious...
#3...Al's no longer in charge!!!
Ya! Right!!....Anyone remember the press conference where he nailed his "HC" to the wall last season...Than came his draft and than he hired his coaches...So how do you not give Al his credit here...
Not surprisingly those same "Mediot" Clones hang themselves on the new tactic just as they did on the old...
PantyRaider....Bridge Walking -w- Blinders!!!/_
Props to Hue Jackson. He was quick to challenge the non-fumble call that gave the Raiders the ball after review.
When the game is on, some decisions have to come from the sideline and not from the scheme. So it's refreshing to see a coaching staff that is decisive.
Jackson earlier in the week revealed (indirectly) he might have a little OCD. The ink wasn't even dry on the win and he was losing sleep thinking about the Bills.
Then, he brought officials to the team's practice to combat the excessive penalties issue.
Only time will tell if Jackson can balance coaching this team and his interaction with Coach Davis; but, so far, you have to like his approach and energy.
Like I said: Sustained success or failure in the NFL isn't random. It's not astrology. It's organizational, and it always starts at the top, either through hands-on involvement or smart (or not) delegation.
The drafting, coach hiring, and free agency behavior have gotten progressively, if slowly, better in recent years. That starts at the top with the owner and GM (or in our case Owner-GM). Whatever he is doing--adapting, changing, delgating, etc.--it's working better than what he was doing before.
Go back a few years, when we were hiring Kiffin, drafting JaMarcus and signing DeAngelo Hall and Javon Walker to absurd contracts while trotting out a ragged roster on both sides of the ball. That was some of the worst organizational behavior the NFL has ever seen.
We may not be totally out of the woods yet, but we've left the Dark Ages, for sure. Kudos to Al Davis for finding a way to make the Raiders relevant again.
"RT"...
I can't disagree...
But will point out that complaints are still circulating about our recent resigning at huge salaries and this perceived tying of the hands in "FA" as a result pimping Al Davis was still in charge......
But than it comes out that we still be some $5+ Mil under that Cap???...And when you look around at the $100 Mil contacts our signings no longer appear very expensive...
Than a few nice moves are made and it's all about "Al's No Longer In Charge"!!!...
Gotta be able to see the overall stupidity here as regards these damn "Mediot"s -n- their dumb Clones!!!
PantyRaider...Improvement Is In The Autumn Winds...But That Wind Is Nothing New!!!/_
Come on RT, no need to preach to the choir. I have been asking for what you described since I started posting on here.
It's only one game...relevant? Relevant is when you are a consistent playoff team, just as Mr.Davis was disappointed when Cable crowed about being 8-8. If you are satisfied with an 8-8 and one gm against a poor team...it's going to take way more than that for myself to call the Raiders "relevant again".
It is more enjoyable than the debacles before, that is for sure, the pudding hasn't set yet, so how can the proof be in the pudding? Time will tell, weren't you just having big ?'s about the organizational moves just a couple of weeks ago? Now you are having a wet panty? Doesn't take much, huh?
JONES
I agree we shouldn't read too much into what we saw Monday but it's interesting to guess.
It's perhaps ironic that Jackson, with whom Coach Davis has had extensive interaction, appeared Monday to less follow the Raiders tradition of scheme than the HCs we discovered (through overhead projector presentations, etc) with whom Davis had little or no significant interaction.
With Jackson we saw hybrid west coast offense and zone defense.
Is it growth? Is it modernization?
Hard to say what it is at this point. Maybe Jackson has Davis's ear in a convincing way that Gruden was able to early on. If you've noticed, Jackson's been kissing Al's ass a lot in PCs (maybe that's what it takes to get your way).
Regardless, let's hope the pattern has been broken, particularly on defense. If so, the insanity may have ended.
Unfortunately, expect a learning curve to show itself after years and years of predominantly man coverages.
Could that be why Rod Woodson was wearing a headset during the game... unless no one else found it unusual that the assistant DB coach was wearing one.
Jones, I think you're mis-reading me.
The fact is, 8-8 is twice as good as 4-12. We just did something we haven't done in eight years: win our first game, in prime time and on the road, no less.
The progress over the past year or so is evident and tangible. I'm not saying we're great yet, but I am saying we've made some big strides.
And being consistent with my position that it all starts at the top, I give credit for those strides to Al Davis. He's performing better, be it through adapting, changing or delegating properly.
Because if he wasn't performing better, the Raiders wouldn't be performing better.
The progress that I saw last year was primarily an offense that doubled it's scoring output from 12.3 (2009) to 25.6 (2010). A big part of the credit for this huge improvement was Hue Jackson.
There were some good signs on MNF such as our running attack, rush D, pass rush, tackling, and more blitzing and zone coverage BUT it was against one of the weakest teams in the NFL that is going through a major transition and rebuilding project. On top of that, we played sloppily at times, had 15 penalties, and barely hung on to a 3 point win courtesy of a 63 yard FG.
Yes, a win is a win is a win and I'm thrilled to get an opening win, on the road vs. a divisional opponent.
However, IMHO, it would be foolish to put to much emphasis or stock in 1 game against a weak opponent.
A better read on the team and more accurate conclusions can be drawn AFTER we play @ Buff, and at home vs. NJY and Patsies. This will give us a better handle on the team. The 2011 Raiders have a lot to prove and are clearly a work in progress.
The hope and optimism that I have for this team is centered largely on our potential to be an elite running offense. It was a very positive sign when Bush ran for 10+ yards on 1st down late in the game when the Broncos knew what was coming and couldn't stop it.
3 Ways To Limit The Pressure On Our "DB"s...My GamePlan!!!
#1 starts with the “O”…We need to hold that “Pig” and keep it out of their hands as much as possible in this game…Grind down the clock with long possessions that consistently produce points…"TD"s….
#2 relates to the "ST"s consistently getting us good field position and kicking them in a hole so they have a long field to traverse…
#3 is our play up front from the “DL”…“52”…Let those 3 "DT"s pin the ears back and bring that heat with a vengeance while stopping anything up the middle from getting lose…Let our "DE"s pinch in while trapping their “QB” in the collapsing pocket and squashing any outside run attempts…Force them to use their "RB"s -n- "TE"s for protection…
Now we have 6 who can perform in multiple duties:
A…Protect against any bleeding from the run…
B…Play the screens -n- short timing patterns…
C…Be used in the Blitz…
D…Keep everything in front and look for the mistakes that they can take advantage of…
Not 100% shut down but greatly limit their “O” both in “TOP” thus opportunity and play selection…Less than one dimensional….1/2 dimensional limited to screens and very short timing patterns where they hope to get “YAC” to gain 1st dns….
PantyRaider...Chill...We Got's This One!!!/_
"CJ"...
One other point is that with a 2 score lead we became ultra conservative and wanted to run out the clock but when they broke out that return for the score we needed additional points and produced them...Than we went conservative again and after they scored to make it close again we took command of the game and ran out the clock...
Now that's basically what good teams are able to do...We haven't seen much of that for so long that it all seems rather strange to us...But that's good game plans and very consistent with normal NFL practices...So it may have looked close -w- only a 3 point "V" but in reality it wasn't...It was dominance on both side of the Line!!!
PantyRaider...Nothing Ugly About That!!!/_
PR,
Until we got the 2 key 1st downs by Bush and DHB, the game was very much in the balance. Yes, it showed we can close out a game. However, the fact that it was up for grabs that late against one of the weaker teams is my point about not jumping to any hasty conclusions about the 2011 Raiders.
Man I havent been in this site for well over a year and its still the same crap....haters will always hate I guess and defenders will always defend the nation ha RT......I will be back in 3 months hopefully than we will all or most of all will be in agreement that this was a great season and that we can grow from this great season.
One other point worth considering;
We go into half with a very comfortable 16-3 lead yet get outscored 10-0 in the 3rd quarter to go into the 4th quarter at 16-13.
When you have a bad team down by 13 points at half, the last thing you want to do is allow them back into the game.
This is all a part of the growing process for the team.
Consistency, execution, minimizing penalties, and going for the juglar is the difference between an up and down, 8-8 type team and a playoff team.
Anno 8:59...
Good observations...Some things just never change which is why I have suggested it's more of an agenda than just by happenstance???
Sense your not back for 3 months or so perhaps we can meet at another option where the good far outweighs the bad:
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2011/9/15/2427938/oakland-raiders-vs-buffalo-bills-bills
"CJ"...
"ST"s breakdown led to that change in 2 score lead and subsequent "FG"....We than put ourselves back up by 2 scores which is what I said the good team will do...
PantyRaider...All A Matter Of Perception!!!/_
Agent pleads Raiders QB Pryor's case in meeting with Goodell
Pryor’s agent, Drew Rosenhaus, said it was a productive meeting and that he appreciated Goodell and the players’ union taking time to hear the quarterback’s side. Rosenhaus said he expected to have a ruling shortly.
Pryor didn’t attend the meeting in New York. He practiced on his own at the Raiders’ facility Thursday and wasn’t available for comment
PantyRaider...Our New Secret Weapon Will Be Ready Soon!!!/_
IMO, Monday's game was only close in score. The Raiders forced their running game on the Broncos and it worked. That's exactly what the Broncos knew they had to defend, and they couldn't.
Sure, the Raiders were sloppy at times but every game will be different.
One observation made in the media that I found interesting was the 8-man rotation up front. Guys stay fresh and play 100% every play. It also allows the coaching staff to find the best match-ups.
Anyone else bothered by the way Jackson is handling the most impressive WR in pre-season? And how defensive he got when he was asked why he didn't hold true to his words?
http://goo.gl/ad8P8
Sounds like he might not play him out of spite now.
Nick Miller over Derek Hagan? Really?
"#50's Analysis" checks in on our Raider Board -n- will be posting live during this week's game in Buffalo...
Breaking News: Oakland Raiders Linebacker, Travis Goethel, Joins Silver And Black Pride
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2011/9/16/2429969/breaking-news-oakland-raiders-linebacker-travis-goethel-joins-silver
PantyRaider...Don't Be Shy About An Opportunity To Post With A Player!!!/_
"X"...
A look at the reality that is the player despite what was seen in a preseason game against scrubs that never made an NFL roster...
Year G/GS Rec. Yds. Avg. TD Long Avg./G
2002 14/3 32 405 12.7 0 51 28.9
2003 12/10 66 1076 16.3 9 80 89.7
2004 12/11 83 1248 15.0 10 79 104.0
2005 12/12 77 1210 15.7 8 59 100.8
Career 50/36 258 3939 15.3 27 80 78.8
Now don't get me wrong I liked what was seen same as everyone else but he's still this player until he proves he can do it in a real NFL game...He hasn't yet sens "02" when he came in and perhaps it's because he dust didn't work as hard as he's working now or something else that we don't see...
I for one will trust Hue and Saunders on this one...
PantyRaider...Not An Issue About A Non Issue!!!/_
Ford, Murphy and backup safety Mike Mitchell (knee) won't play against the Bills, Jackson said.
There's a strong chance Hagan
will be active for Sunday's game against the Buffalo Bills in light of injuries to receivers Jacoby Ford (hamstring), Darrius Heyward-Bey (knee) and Louis Murphy (groin).
Defensive tackle Richard Seymour (ribs), tight end Kevin Boss (knee), free safety Michael Huff (groin), Heyward-Bey and backup offensive lineman Stephon Heyer (undisclosed) are listed as questionable.
Raiders' Janikowski charged with misdemeanor battery, false imprisonment
WHAT!!!....Gold Digger BITCH!!!
Hagan should get an opportunity this week. I can't imagine Jackson playing DHB at less than 100%. Hagan proved he's a crisp route runner and may help the Raiders improve on their passing game from last week....
The Bills will put all their energy into stopping the Darren McFadden show. That should create opportunity to pass. Campbell, Schilens and co need to step up their game this week.
Well it's time for this week's picks:
-5 last week...
Bears @ Saints.......................Saints
Lyons Eat "Squaw"s...........Lyons
Jags @ Jets..................Jets
Raiders @ Buffalo..No Stampede In Sight..Raiders
Cardinal Eats Foreskin.......AZ
Raven @ Titan................Ravens
SeaChicken @ Pits....???.....Pits
Cheese @ Panther.............GB
"TB" @ Vikes.................TB
"Dawgs" @ Colts...No Bark....Colts
Cowboy @ "SF".."SOB" Sucks...SF
Texan @ Fish.................Tex
"SD" @ "NE"...Hate'em Both..."NE"
"MadCats" @ "Donkey".........Cincy
Eagle @ Birds................Phily
PantyRaider...Just For Fun!!!/_
we tied last week pr, here are mine:
Bears @ Saints...Saints
KC@Det...........Lions
Jags @ Jets..................Jets
Raiders @ Buffalo....Bills (prove me wrong)
Cardinals at Redskins.......Wash
Ravens @ Titan.......Ravens
Seahawks @ Pits.........Pits
GB @ Panther.............GB
"TB" @ Vikes.............Min
Browns @ Colts...Browns
Cowboy @ "SF"....Dallas
Texan @ Miami......Tex
SD @ NE......"NE"
Bengals @ Donkeys.........Cincy
Eagle @ Falcons..........Phily
Raider Nate 75...
This time we be off by 5 so there should be no tie...I miscounted last week's picks...
But how did you pick against our Raiders???...Really I don't think the Bills are that much of a challenge...
Weeks #3-#4 will be tougher to pimp as ours unless the team really shows something this week...
PantyRaider....It Should be Fun!!!/_
because we are on the road, after a short week, and it is usually teams like the bills that should be a win, that we take for granted and lose the game. that's why i say, the raiders need to prove me wrong. i will gladly take that loss on the pick.
1st Half: OAK BUF
First Downs 13 9
Total Yards 207 155
Passing Yards 127 102
Rushing Yards 80 53
Penalties (Yds) 2(20) 3(26)
Turnovers 0 1
Punts (AVG) 2(43) 2(40)
Time of Pos. 15:32 14:19
Analyze Complete Sta
OAKLAND RAIDERS
Passing CP/AT YDS TD INT
J. Campbell 9/14 127 0 0
Rushing CAR YDS TD LG
J. Campbell 3 3 1 2
D. McFadden 12 51 1 14
T. Jones 1 4 0 4
M. Bush 3 22 1 22
Receiving REC YDS TD LG
D. McFadden 3 34 0 16
D. Hagan 2 17 0 17
D. Moore 2 62 0 42
C. Schilens 1 9 0 9
M. Reece 1 5 0 5
"JBrat" Was Right!!...That guy can really call a game!!..."JC" will suck so bad that he's ejected for less than 60 "QB" Rate!!!...
how do you blow a 21-3 lead? arrogance, that's how! we come out in the 3rd quarter really flat. way to go raiders...
I TOLD YOU, I TOLD YOU, I TOLD YOU!
the defensive secondary was going to be a problem for us and it surely was! the WHOLE defense fell apart in the 2nd half and couldn't stop ANYTHING!
johnson and routt are two 2nd or 3rd stringers on other teams.
the old marty schottenheimer philosophy reared his ugly nose again! just do your thing and the raiders will find a way to lose the game at the end. PENALTIES - ESP DUMB F-ING PENALTIES did us in again.
campbell, moore and hagan did their part late. my question is why aren't the raiders getting taiwan jones in the game as a change of pace? or ausberry? mcfadden couldn't run inside OR outside in the 2nd half!!!!!
scoring points isn't a problem - the defense and penalties is!
we lick our wounds and learn from this one. on to the jets...
Did Mr.Davis phone down at halftime and tell Chuck to play the prevent the whole second half? That is very disappointing, FIVE TD's in the 2nd half? What in the hell happened in NY? NY, I'm sure he went to the game, give us an idea of what went on, please.
JONES
it's like they came out at halftime thinking that the game was all wrapped up. we had no plan the second half. as soon as fred jackson busted out a 46 yard rush, and they put a td on the board to make it 21-10, i knew we were going to lose it!
same damn thing we did in denver, except the donkeys are not that good to take advantage of it. this is what got bresnahan fired the first time. i couldn't believe it, they had them on 4th down 2 times on the last drive and couldn't stop them. way to go raiders, you deserve this loss!
Here's how it stands:
Raiders @ Buffalo....Bills - Me
Cardinals at Redskins....Wash - Me
"TB" @ Vikes.....TB - PR
Browns @ Colts...Browns - Me
We both lose the Ravens game, and the only game with a different pick right now is Dallas v SF
Last time I went to Buffalo, the Raiders D collapsed much like they did today. That day, JaMarcus Russell had one of his best days as a pro, as the Raiders took a big lead before Rob Ryan blew the game with prevent defense.
No prevent D today. Instead, there were breakdowns in coverage, mis-tackles, over-pursuit and poor gap control.
By the time the Raiders decided to blitz (and it worked), it was late in the 4th Qtr and the game was on the line.
Please don't try and pin this an offense that scored 35 points then gave the Raiders a last gasp with only 14 seconds left.
This loss is ALL on the defense.
It’s gonna be a long week.
Postgame take is up, vent away.
PS D Moore is a starting WR on the Raiders. Anything less is unacceptable. He should start opposite Hagan, but we all know that won't happen.
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