Carson Palmer: Foolhardy or Fateful?
Welcome Carson Palmer to the helm of the Raiders offense, hopefully for several plentiful years to come.
I feel like I should be disturbed by this trade. By the questions surrounding Palmer's checkered health history and potentially diminished abilities. By Palmer's age and questionable longevity. By the fact that he put himself on ice rather than report to the Bengals, who've been doing just fine without him. And most of all, by the high cost of making this panic move.
Now, calling it a panic move doesn't mean it's a bad move. But when you wake up on Monday morning and Kyle Boller is your quarterback, let's face it, that's what you do. You panic. Also, the guy on the other end of the negotiating table knows that Kyle Boller is your quarterback, and so you come to that table with minimal leverage, and you end up paying for it.
It probably shouldn't have come to this, but it did. Jason Campbell isn't exactly Iron Man, and a cursory glance at the depth chart would have told you that we were playing with fire. And when Campbell's collarbone got cracked, the flames began to crackle.
So here we are, and while I feel I should be disturbed...For some reason, I'm not. There's something that feels right about this, and I can't put my finger on it, and I could be flat wrong.
But an elite quarterback has been our missing link for so long, and there's a sense that Palmer still might have a bit of elite left in him.
It could be wishful thinking, but there's a sense of fate surrounding this move, too. Think about it. Our only viable starting quarterback goes down for essentially the season, and the best guy available just happens to be someone who enjoys a positive history with our head coach, a head coach who is leading the team to the next level and carrying the Commitment to Excellence torch for the recently departed Al Davis.
Carson Palmer had better be in it to win it. If he's not, then we're screwed. But if he is...watch out. Here come THE RAIDERS!
P.S. It's never boring in the Raider Nation, eh? This season is already epic, and we're only six games into it.
I feel like I should be disturbed by this trade. By the questions surrounding Palmer's checkered health history and potentially diminished abilities. By Palmer's age and questionable longevity. By the fact that he put himself on ice rather than report to the Bengals, who've been doing just fine without him. And most of all, by the high cost of making this panic move.
Now, calling it a panic move doesn't mean it's a bad move. But when you wake up on Monday morning and Kyle Boller is your quarterback, let's face it, that's what you do. You panic. Also, the guy on the other end of the negotiating table knows that Kyle Boller is your quarterback, and so you come to that table with minimal leverage, and you end up paying for it.
It probably shouldn't have come to this, but it did. Jason Campbell isn't exactly Iron Man, and a cursory glance at the depth chart would have told you that we were playing with fire. And when Campbell's collarbone got cracked, the flames began to crackle.
So here we are, and while I feel I should be disturbed...For some reason, I'm not. There's something that feels right about this, and I can't put my finger on it, and I could be flat wrong.
But an elite quarterback has been our missing link for so long, and there's a sense that Palmer still might have a bit of elite left in him.
It could be wishful thinking, but there's a sense of fate surrounding this move, too. Think about it. Our only viable starting quarterback goes down for essentially the season, and the best guy available just happens to be someone who enjoys a positive history with our head coach, a head coach who is leading the team to the next level and carrying the Commitment to Excellence torch for the recently departed Al Davis.
Carson Palmer had better be in it to win it. If he's not, then we're screwed. But if he is...watch out. Here come THE RAIDERS!
P.S. It's never boring in the Raider Nation, eh? This season is already epic, and we're only six games into it.
posted by Raider Take at 7:48 PM
144 Comments:
I'm right there with you, Take. Epic, indeed.
Folks are questioning Jackson's commitment to Campbell. I don't think Campbell was ever really the issue. If they thought Campbell was more than short term they'd have signed him beyond this season.
There are a couple of factors other than Campbell here. It's not Jackson's commitment to Campbell at issue, it's Jackson's commitment to Boller. The pressure on the QB situation is intensified by Jackson's commitment to get to the Superbowl this year.
All the players are talking Superbowl. It's weird.
The most interesting season in a long time continues to take epic twists and turns.
Each so called set-back gets swatted back decisively with NO blinking.
The positive, aggressive, and laser focus of Hue Jackson has set the tone for what this is all about ... winning now.
As a fan, I respect and applaud a franchise that isn't in the "woe is me" mode when there is any adversity. Setting lofty expectations, standards, and goals is how you conduct business in a competitive environment.
If you aren't reaching for the ultimate prize, why bother?
I have never taken issue with taking calculated risks and gambles in the game, in personnel moves, or coaching changes AS LONG AS you are fighting to win.
Anyone who has followed the Raiders realizes that the players have bought in and are clearly taking to Jackson's leadership.
ill say it first... he could be a cross between rich gannon and vince evans.... yeah!!!!
I will add:
"NYR" was man enough to concede weeks ago as soon as Pryor was selected in that Sup-Draft and I have no qualms with the man...He was willing to honor his word and if asked would prolly vacate now sense Pryor is active...But I'm not asking because there was already enough in evident that he was a man about it...
PantyRaider...Stay Of Execution Granted!!!/_
This was the very best possible deal...
Like with the Seymour trade it took place when the opportunity was there...Up til this moment Cincy had told everyone NO DEALS!!...Now we make the deal...That was huge...It cost us yes but we did it when everyone else who was interested failed...
Palmer comes home like John Elway always wanted to...How many deals have we lost out on threw time for that quality starting "QB" keeping us from competing...Warren Moon -n- John Elway were both stripped from us...Now finally this one is allowed to go threw...
I will wager that Mr Davis had contacted Cincy already but found their hardline difficult to maneuver around...Hue was no doubt wanting Carson Palmer all along...Than came desperation by both parties up against that deadline and the deal finally got done....Congrats!!!...
One look at that roster and your mouth has to drop and drool!!!...Philly got's nothing on us!!!
PantyRaider...The Future Is Now!!!/_
Here's the clarification:
(the 2013 pick becomes a first-rounder if the Raiders advance to the AFC title game this year or next)
Palmer attended USC in part because of the recruiting pitch of Jackson, who was his quarterbacks coach. In Cincinnati, Jackson coached wide receivers from 2004-06.
Palmer reportedly agreed to a $2.5 million salary this season in a restructure, escalating to $12.5 million in 2012, $13 million in 2013 and $15 million in 2014 with $7.5 million guaranteed next season.
A list of the 13 Raiders players who were first-round selections in the NFL draft and the teams that selected them:
Year Player Pick Pos. College Team
2010 Rolando McClain 8 LB Alabama Raiders
2009 Aaron Curry 4 LB Wake Forest Seattle
2009 Darrius Heyward-Bey 7 WR Maryland Raiders
2008 Darren McFadden 4 RB Arkansas Raiders
2007 Jarvis Moss 17 DE Florida Denver
2006 Michael Huff 7 S Texas Raiders
2006 Kamerion Wimbley 13 LB Florida St. Cleveland
2005 Jason Campbell 25 QB Auburn Washington
2003 Carson Palmer 1 QB USC Cincinnati
2003 Kyle Boller 19 QB Cal Baltimore
2002 John Henderson 9 DT Tenn. Jacksonville
2001 Richard Seymour 6 DL Georgia New England
2000 Sebastian Janikowski 17 K Florida St. Raiders
Safety Chinedum Nduke, who started 25 games during four seasons with the Bengals through 2010, was signed to the 53-man roster. Safety Jerome Boyd was waived.
Coach jackson has a phrase he uses a lot - "Trust me". And that's what we have to do.. The price seems high for an ageing QB but HJ believes in him and if anyone can get a couple more good years out of CP it'll be coach Jackson.
It would have been difficult to justify this move a couple years ago, or even last year, but the Raiders are now loaded with young talent and they are on the rise.
For that reason, Palmer is more of a necessity than a luxury.
The key will be getting him over his notion of retirement and having him focus solely on winning. We'll learn quickly (and the players will see even faster) if Palmer's mind is in the right place to lead this team.
Blanda - I'm surprised you would suggest the Raiders would have signed Campbell to a long-term contract if they wanted him beyond this season. When did you ever know Al Davis to extend (or renegotiate) contracts for that reason? For salary cap reasons, definitely, but not for the sake of simply extending a contract.
Take
To answer your question from your a previous posting: “But if your blood pressure, cholesterol, stress test, etc. all check out okay, is there anything you can do (without breaking the bank) to find out if something's wrong before the heart attack?”
While I’m not a doctor, but I play one on the internet, here’s what I’ve been told by the cardiologist and my primary care doctor. The “Gold Standard” to check for heart problems is a heart cauterization. It’s very expensive and is mildly invasive. That’s what they did while I was in the hospital and that is how the put the stents in.
The next best is the stress test, a nuclear stress test. If you don’t do well with it they do a heart cath to look for problems. But, I passed it. And did very well because I’ve kept in pretty good shape most of my life. Long story short, the doc told me about 7% of people who pass the stress test have heart problems that lead to heart attacks. It’s not a perfect test.
Bottom line for everyone here is have the blood test and get checked out. Feel good if they turn out normal. But, get familiar with the symptoms. Mine weren’t classic, but reasonably close. And don’t be macho thinking it will pass. I didn’t believe I had one because they stabilized me so fast. But, I did. Another interesting factoid is my EKG was also normal during the episode. Turns out I have a very strong heart muscle. It’s the arteries that are giving me the problems.
Now, Carson Palmer. According to my research, he wanted a trade because the Bengals pretty much sucked the whole time he was there, except for one year, and wanted to go to a contending team. He even had tired of Ocho Cinco’s antics and called him out for not coming to OTA’s. Management did nothing about it and wouldn’t support him on it. Seems they weren’t functioning as a “team”. I believe 8-10 players have been arrested the last few years. That’s fairly disruptive selfish behavior.
I only have one thing to say for now. Well, Mr. Palmer, the ball is in your court now. You’re on a team that, as of now, has a shot, is a pretty tight knit bunch and you’ve been given Daryle Lamoinca’s number. There’s also a veteran on defense who we paid a high price for. He’s not interested in any shenanigans either. So, suck it up and prove you’re worth the cost. I want Super Bowl MVP’s not Pro Bowl MVP’s. I never watch the Pro Bowl anyway.
H
True, Russ, it really comes down to a matter of trust at this point, and it seems that Jackson has earned it. He's sticking his neck out for sure, gotta figure he's pretty confident about Palmer's upside.
Thanks H. Is the "blood test" something separate from the stress test and cauterizaton?
the price was large. but we were not in a position of strength, they were. i would have given a first for Palmer easily, the second pick was the tough one to give. i feel like the second pick was due to situation, and you know what, i say it is totally worth it to save this season. geez not only "save" it but improve the situation. when we were in a pretty precarious spot at the moment. well done folks.
steep price, but we go from a very very young team with a FA to be above avg QB to one with a top 10 franchise QB who we have under contract for a while. we have been tryin to get back there since Gannon broke his freakin neck!!!
we had a team here that is coming into it's own identity, they are very young so the core of this team is gonna be here for a while. now we just added the franchise QB to lead them for the time this window will be open. we didn't need a couple more rooks, we needed and elite QB leader. we hopefully just got him!!! the price was worth at least the shot at the SB for the next few years. i will take it.
RT was spot on when he says something about this just feels right. and btw, i just love it when you can see, hear and smell the minty frickin freshness in RT's takes and in here in general!!!
"H"...
This is a copy post from a Cincy Jungle Fan on another board...Very good info that relates to what you posted..
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The real facts about Carson's last 3 years with Bungles...
As a long time Bengals fan but a MUCH bigger Carson fan, here is some important facts that is rarely posted….
1. Beginning with 2005 Pitts playoff game where Carson was injured on 1st play, the diva/cancer known as chad johnson was exposed when he fought a coach at halftime because he was not targeted enough.
2. Marvin Lewis (and Mikey-boy Brown) encouraged t&he diva personna despite the locker room disruption and selfish attitude.
3.This selfish diva attitude grew out of control into a full cancer on the TEAM
4. Carson was forced to accept the Head Coach’s special rules for chad including missing meetings
5. Dave Lapham, radio analyst has begun reporting that chad has a limited intelligence and limited grasp on offense.
6. chad was unable to understand the precise routes & spots that Carson was throwing to and that led to incfreasing interceptions
7. chad increasingly ran his own routes (as did TO in 2010) – not the route called for in the huddle
8. chad’s lack of grasping the Patriots playbook has also exposed him and his “creative” route running in Cincy
9.That Carson was able to make chad a ‘star" was someing that even Brady was not abke to do in NE
10. Check out Carson’s last 3-4 games in 2010 WITHOUT chad and TO – VERY strong numbers with receivers who ran precise routes and was where the ball was thrown.
Bottom line, expect BIG things from Carson once he gets rid of the rust and finds the timing with his receivers.
Go RAIDERS….and Carson!
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There will always be those who don't/won't believe...I'm glad I have never been of that group....This is definitely a time for looking forward...
PantyRaider....Rejoice Raider Nation!!!/_
Why can't I sign in???
CyberSpace is weird!!!
This is just too weird!!!
What Ever!!!
Guess I'm stuck with this for now!!!
WoW!!!...If this is true it could prolley be termed "Tampering"!!!
It is widely known that Carson Palmer was on Al Davis' short list of quarterbacks that could lead the offense that he dreamed of.
he always had his eye on the former USC Trojan, Carson Palmer.
I have read that the Raiders actually had the man who was working Carson out on the payroll. If you know how much Mr. Davis likes to keep track of players, then this may be the first sign that he was, in some ways, behind this move.
But, where he could not succeed in landing him, "Action" stepped in, called on his connections and got the deal done.
To a person, everyone close to the situation says that ONLY Hue Jackson could have got this deal done.
Nah!!!....That would never happen!!!
PantyRaider....But If It Did...Ha! Ha! Ha!!!!/_
NYRaider, from EVERYTHING I've heard, Campbell was always a short term solution. I also hear that Jackson never really believed that Campbell had what it took to actually get them a win in the Superbowl. I don't know that that's true, it's just what I've heard.
Some say that Jackson actually viewed Campbell's injury as an opportunity if he could secure Palmer.
If Pryor showed promise this season, the plan was to simply let Campbell's contract expire for 2012, and Pryor would be named the new starter. I've also heard that Jackson was completely on board for drafting Pryor, and Jackson believes in Pryor, but he also believes that it will take a season or two to fully develop Pryor as a QB.
As of now, Campbell will only be re-signed if Palmer fails to meet expectations. While a greatly appreciate the leadership shown by Campbell this season, I think we should likely consider him a former Raider QB and wish him luck in 2012.
Take
Oh yeah, they are all separate. The blood test is for cholesterol. Have it tested yearly. If it’s high, do something about it. If your blood pressure is high, get it regulated. I’m just one of those “lucky” 7%. The doc says that over 90% of the time these tests will show problems if you have any. But, they aren’t 100%. Sometimes crap happens. I’ve never smoked, taken drugs or any of that crap. Just a few beers or a glass or two of wine now and then.
If you have chest discomfort or even unexplained shoulder pain, go see your doctor. I was just getting checked out because of constant fatigue and my age. But, even though I passed everything, getting checked out made me aware of the symptoms. Hell, I know a guy who had a heart attack and the only symptoms he was having was pain in his elbows. Go figure that one out.
Also, if any of you guys are Vietnam Vets, it’s especially important you stay on top of this. We have ischemic heart disease at a much higher rate than the general population, among other things. Just making you aware.
One last thing. If your doctor does recommend a heart cath, do it. It’s much better to find out for sure. And if there is blockage, it’s better to get something done before the paramedics are carting you off to the ER. Now I’m on a sack full of meds and carry nitro glycerin tablets in a container in my key ring.
After it first happened I didn’t like talking about it. But, I’ve had a change of though on that. I’ve lost a couple of friends in the last two years because they didn’t pay attention. I did, and I’m still here. I like debating with you guys. So I want to keep you around.
Now Football: Glad to see some backup for my research on Palmer, and my NOT wanting Ocho Cinco on the team. Thing is, I like Jason Campbell. I hope he rebounds from this and does well.
As for the draft choices. In the last two drafts we may have picked up some later round guys who may eventually equate to first or second rounders in terms of production. Houston may wind up being a first round talent along with Wisniewski. Then there’s Murphy, Ford and Veldheer. Might be a couple of others, but I don’t want to get too excited. If Curry and Carson return to form, then we should be in good shape.
DHB is quietly on pace for about 60 catches and almost 1000 yards. Hope he can keep that production up over 16 games. We are fairly well stocked at receiver now. A far cry from 2-3 years ago.
The glass is now 81.4% full.
H
"BR"...
Hows this for parallels:
Dan Pastorini goes down and Plunkett comes it to lead us to "V"...1980 at age 33...Than he leads us for the next few season and to another "SB" "V" at the age of 37...
Now "JC" goes down and it's Carson Palmer at age 32 who's coming in as the savior!!!
A few things aren't exact such as Plunket was already on the team but the jest of it is about the same...So we hope!!!...
Plunkett went to Stanford and Palmer was from USC but both came home late after beginning their careers in the cold of the NE...
PantyRaider...Fun Things To Watch!!!/_
Panty,
That's a bit of a stretch. Plunkett wasn't considered a savior. If he was, he would have started over Pastorini. He had been on the team for two years, Palmer hasn’t practiced with team yet. We traded for Palmer, we got Plunkett off the trash heap.
Now, if memory serves, if you watch the “America’s Game” for SB XV you’ll see some players wanted Plunkett because Pastorini had a very annoying habit of slapping the ball before he threw it. Sometimes he would slap it once, sometimes three times. Some of the linemen would release their blocks after the first slap and go downfield. It got Pastorini creamed because sometimes they would release and he would still have the ball.
I believe if was Upshaw talking about that. When quizzed about whether or not you could hear that on the field. He stood by his comment. And, they showed film of Pastorini slapping the ball.
But, Palmer, Plunkett, they both start with a “P”. Oh – wait a minute so does Pastorini.
H
"H"...
It's not a complete likeness but a few similarities..."BR" was talking about that earlier so I thought I would mention it...
Did you get your medical threw the "VA"??...My friend who followed me here to Thailand/Cambodia 4 seasons ago passed on last month at 63...Also a Nam vet...2nd heart attack...The only positive is he passed on where he wanted to be...Happy I suppose...
http://www.sihanoukville-cambodia.com/aboutbottomstuff/pics.html
My internal heath is superb...Just the structural damage that I halve to live with but I can do that and still function very well...Athletic Heath Nut so still in very good shape and living here on this Koh Kong Beach is easy...Cheap and almost stress free...Healthy natural foods and clean environment and very moderate on the booze...
I understand the desire to talk about things later after we get used to a situation...That's why I'm so open about the "VA" and PTSD...ADD -n- Dyslexia...It's the ones who we help that give us the desire to speak out and the hell with those foolish ignorant Punk Asses who would try to bash us about something...Until they live the life they will never understand anything!!!
So take care Bro...It's kinda nice having your posts to read...
PantyRaider...Ain't Life Grand!!!/_
Raiders | Coordinator indicates Carson Palmer to start Week 7
Wed, 19 Oct 2011 08:44:46 -0700
Oakland Raiders offensive coordinator Al Saunders indicated that QB Carson Palmer will start in Week 7.
at 7 mil plus this year, 2 1st round draft picks, did we NOT expect him to start from day 1???
we didn't get this guy to be a "game manager" like campbell was. we got this guy to be a great qb NOW. the road to the superbowl starts this sunday against KC and i EXPECT this guy to win it ALL for us THIS YEAR or else this risky trade sucks!
I wouldn't start Palmer until after the bye. He's not in game shape, and he hasn't played since last season. I think we need to show at least an ounce of faith in Boller and give him this one game. Boller will be needed again likely this season. And if we play Palmer too soon, it might be sooner rather than later.
We're not desperate here! We shouldn't act like it.
Could be a smoke screen. Jackson was quoted as saying he didn't know who would start.
If nothing else it will be interesting.
H
blanda - you mean giving up 2 1st round picks for a 32 yr old qb ISN'T desperate?
from Former NFL QB Ken O'Brien, who has been working out with new Raiders QB Carson Palmer, says Palmer is in great shape, healthy and ready to go.
here is the link to the radio interview with ken o'brien this morning:
http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=7122800
this guy is starting. if he doesn't, maybe boller starts but depending on where we are in the game, he'll get some playing time. but i say he starts.
Let's start a conspiracy rumor. Ken O'Brian has been feeding Palmer the Raider playbook all year in case something happened.
Also, Jacoby Ford was seen flying back and forth to where Palmer was working out in a black helicopter during his rehab from his injury.
Gotta admitt it makes for a good story line.
Panty,
Yep, I’m in VA. Good doctors, lousy bureaucrats. Although, for my incident I was taken to the nearest hospital which was civilian. They were great. My nurses were in search of a standup comedy act. Kept me laughing at myself.
H
NYRaider,
I've read online scouting reports that describe Palmer as a "Pocket Passer".
At age 31, with at least one knee surgury, I do not believe Palmer is more mobile then Campbell.
On a 3rd down and 8, Campbell could get that 1st down.
We'll see what Palmer can do.
I think it's easy to get caught up in the moment.
The Raiders just picked up a big name QB. But all these high picks. We also gave up a 3rd rounder for Pryor.
Lost in the noise, is that the Raiders have a defense to build up. The Raiders D is not championship caliber.
We are going to miss these picks.
The last brilliant thing Al Davis did, was to stop signing so many free agents.
No more desmond howards, larry browns, warren sapps.
No more hand outs to players who didn't really appreciate what it meant to wear the silver & black.
Al rebuilt this team through the draft, and shrewd trades.
He got players that wanted to wear the Raiders uniform with pride.
And it's paying off.
But whats left if all the draft picks are gone ?
Free agents is all that would be left to improve team.
Al Davis, after being burned so many times, wisely stopped going down free agent road.
Now, I like Hue Jackson. I was one of the first, and few at the time, to endorse letting Cable go, and promoting Hue.
But Hue is not Al Davis.
Hue is a HC who, understandably, just wants to win his next game.
But a "scorched earth policy", where nothing is left, is not the best way to do it.
We need a GM fast, to put the brakes on Hue.
Someone that won't react to every injury in a knee jerk way.
The press conference where Palmer was introduced is on-line at the Raiders website. Everyone should take a look at it.
I was the first one here to suggest that Jackson should avoid the temptation to acquire Palmer and to stick with the original plan. But I'm not Jackson.
Jackson describes himself as a gunslinger, and a gunslinger he is. He takes risks. He take chances. His move on Palmer is exactly within his character if he's make the decision to go for it all right now. That's why we jumped on both Curry and Palmer.
And Jackson knows Palmer well. Palmer is HIS QB, just like Gannon was Gruden's. There is also no question that Al Davis would love a tall USC QB with a big arm.
As Jackson says, 2012 will take care of itself. The organization has the creativity to get what they need - so says Mark Davis and so says Amy Trask.
For my money, I want Jackson to be himself. He's going to be here in 2012 so it's his risk to take. It's not like Gruden bailing out of town just as all of the playmakers are about to retire. (Did I say that?)
I think this is a great trade. Only because the college level talent seems to be weakening, and with the new CBA deal; the focus shifted from drafting new players to build a team to signing vets (the way it should be); while using the draft to build a team for the future, and at the same time, giving them time to develope.
This trade shows me something I haven't seen in over a decade with the Raiders; a drive to win now!
JUST WIN, BABY!
Scorpio, a 32 year old QB can last another 7 years with a good offensive line. Blanda QB'd to his mid forties - and he played behind some rotten o-lines. Additionally, he played some LB early in his career.
Also, we're getting compensatory picks for at least three players. That should be enough to trade back into an advantageous position. We've got all of our picks except for #1 in 2013 so we can trade into the first. We already have the core of this team. We're just about done rebuilding, so the high draft picks lose some importance.
We also have Pryor. While Pryor may not work out, I figure we have six years to find a permanent replacement to Palmer.
And we are NOT desperate. Starting Boller for ONE game is not the same as entrusting the entire season to him. Even if we lose this game, it doesn't derail our season. And we're not desperate when Boller starts. He was first round draft pick, working every season. He started in Baltimore for more than three years. Boller is in his second season with us, and knows the system well. I refuse to believe that that isn't the better bet than starting a QB who has no familiarity with this team after 3 days practice when he hasn't even thrown a pass in anger since last December.
Blanda,
One correction, teams are not allowed to trade compensatory picks. However, we should still receive at least two and that would be at the end of third round. Those are nice picks that should lead to contributors.
Roy
Well, Raider00, some of the best QBs in the league are pocket passers, e.g., Manning, Brady, etc.
I believe Palmer is more cerebral than Campbell and will not only benefit from the sound play of the Raiders O-line and their above-average running game, but the ability of Hue Jackson to shape the offense to Palmer's ability.
If you disagree, than we will just have to wait and see how it plays out.
"BR"....
Compensatory picks can't be traded so we just have to use their values as is...
I would like to see Palmer start...I would like to see what he has...We can always bring Boller in after but Palmer could learn enough to play a series or 2 like in the preseason...We're only talking about maybe 10 scripted plays...
I don't think there's any doubt that Al Davis was interested in Plamer...The report was that the hardline taken discouraged everyone...Including Miami who was reportedly offering the house at one time...
I believe it's just as case of their management softening on their hardline position patially due to the teams winning at 4-n-2 and because it's better to get value than to win some stupid pissing contest...Than hue had the advantage of being very fimiliar and got the deal done at the end of time...Ya know respect for the loss of Mr Davis may have played into it also...Who knows...
PantyRaider...I'm Excited To See Palmer Play!!!/_
Why I'm sure that Al would have made this trade.
JaMarcus Russell was Al's aberration, not his normal. Al's often stated philosophy was that you trade for QBs or sign them as free agents. He was of the opinion that a QB out of college took at least three years to develop, and that's three years they are not helping the team win. He deviated from that philosophy three times in his career, and it bit him every time.
The Bengals made the trade for two reasons. They're happy with their rookie and the trade deadline was about to pass. If it did, they'd get nothing for Palmer.
The price was as high as it was, I believe, because there were other suitors who knew that Cincy would have to deal before the deadline. The Colts were very likely another suitor. I'd even suspect that the Broncos were interested. You can think of several teams in need of a top ten QB before their season slips away.
Also, there seems to be some major tidbit here that everyone is overlooking. Let me state this clearly as I understand it.
The #1 pick in the 2013 draft is conditional. The condition is that the Raiders reach the AFC championship game in 2011 or 2012 with Palmer at the helm.
Now, if we do that, is there anyone here who is going to gripe that loudly if we have to give up that pick?
"BR"...
Absolutely correct...I hadn't thought of the other teams still being in the hunt...I knew Miami was early on...
Also Minn/Seattle/Jacks/Clev and even KC could be added to Denver/Miami -n- Indy...And would "SF" be interested in a player from Cali too...Their passing game is #30....
There's allot that we never know lurking behind closed doors...
PantyRaider...Maybe That's Why Hue Calls It The Greatest Trade!!!/_
"BR"...
They get a 1st -n- 2nd but if the criteria is met that 2nd elevates to a 1st instead...
"He was of the opinion that a QB out of college took at least three years to develop, and that's three years they are not helping the team win. He deviated from that philosophy three times in his career, and it bit him every time."
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Blanda, you are forgetting Ken Stabler.
Drafted by Al. Sat for 4 yrs. Developed by Raiders. Won a SB. Should be in hall of fame.
Don't forget the Snake.
Week #7 Match-Up:
Power Poll: Raiders #11 -v- "KC" #23 Tie
Raiders -vs- KC "O"-vs-"D"
"O"-#11..............................."D"-#19
Pass-#24.............................Pass-#17
Rush-#2...............................Rush-#21
Scoring-#7...........................Scoring-#28 Tie
"OL"-#3...............................Sacks-#31
...........................................Int's-#16 Tie
Punting-#8 53.1yd ave
"D"-#28................................"O"-#26
Pass-#28..............................Pass-#29
Rush-#16..............................Rush-#6
Scoring-#28 Tie.....................Scoring-#29
Sacks-#8 Tie........................."OL"-#11
Int's-#16 Tie
............................................Punting-#15 43.2yd ave
Offensive Comparison
KC -vs- Raiders
Total Yards Per Game
303.6
372.8
Passing Yards Per Game
176.2
212.8
Rush Yards Per Game
127.4
160.0
Points Per Game
15.4
26.7
Third Down Conversion %
36.9
41.0
Time of Possession
1641.0
1821.0
Defensive Comparison
Total Yards Per Game Allowed
369.2
396.7
Passing Yards Per Game Allowed
249.6
283.5
Rush Yards Per Game Allowed
119.6
113.2
Points Per Game Allowed
30.0
25.0
Third Down Conversion % Allowed
43.5
43.4
Both knbr 680 (Fitz & brooks) and knbr 1050 (damon bruce) are reporting that Carson Palmer WILL start this Sunday....
That #24 Passing rank should now begin to change and elevate our entire "O"...
The "D" should be able to feed off of this as well and add to what they have already done...
"ST"s has been pretty spectacular this season and last...
Look out...This looks to become a complete football team very quickly!!!
PantyRaider...5-2 Raiders!!!/_
Raiders plan to start new QB Palmer vs. Chiefs on Sunday
http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=16702745&postID=7508045769152069561&page=1&token=1319061531496
The Raiders will gauge Palmer's arm strength and health before making a decision, according to La Canfora, but it's clear they're not excited about the idea of starting Kyle Boller with Jason Campbell recovering from surgery on his broken collarbone.
10/19/2011 Signed OL Zach Hurd to practice squad
10/19/2011 Placed DE Matt Shaughnessy on Injured Reserve
10/18/2011 waived S Jerome Boyd and released RB Nic Grigsby from the practice squad.
"JC" Remains On The Roster But Matt Shaughnessy Is Done???...Go Figure???
"JC"s out at least 6-8 weeks...This is now week #7...The best we could hope for is a week #13...Is it really worth keeping his roster spot???
PantyRaider...I'd Rather Have Had Matt Back!!!/_
raider00, I could never forget Ken Stabler. But he was not a first rounder. His first two years, he sat behind both Lamonica and Blanda. He took at least three years to develop, and during that time he didn't help the team win. So he fits the Davis philosophy perfectly. But at the time, Davis could afford to wait for him.
Wilson was a different story. Wilson wasn't suppose to start either. In front of him they had Pastorini. However, in pre season 1980, Wilson was placed ahead of Plunk on the depth roster. Plunk had to earn the #2 spot.
By the way, the fake field goal is NFL Network number one play of the week.
Shaughnessy to IR, that hurts (no pun intended).
"BR"...
Also Ford is the "ST"s Player of the week...
Our "ST"s really stepped up for us...
There you have it. According to Jackson, the entire organization is COMMITTED to winning the Superbowl THIS season. Looks like we might just have to part with that 2013 1st round pick.
Also, the decision on Palmer isn't an absolute. Palmer just said after practice that there is a very large learning curve.
I think the preliminary decision is Jackson looking for another sellout.
From Jackson:
Jackson dismissed reports about Palmer starting against the Chiefs on Sunday.
“You hear it come from me?” Jackson said. “It didn’t come from anybody over here. I know I never said that.”
"BR"...
I have to think only a series or two...Maybe 10 scripted plays that he could get down for this game...
Receiver Derek Hagan, perhaps, is best qualified to pass judgment on the status of Palmer, given they spent some time together during the lockout.
“Carson looked great,” Hagan said. “Obviously, the same Carson I’ve been working with throughout the summer. We had a few throwing sessions out in L.A. He looks the same. He’s putting the ball right on the money. Obviously that’s something we’re looking forward to.”
IMO, placing Shaughnessy on IR without hesitation is just one example of how the entire Raiders org seems to be clicking on all cyclinders. A lot of the credit has to go to Jackson who suddenly is like a kid in a candy store.
However you choose to read it, good or bad, Jackson went from being a HC with arguably the least authority of any HC in the league over personnel moves to the HC with the most authority.
Fringe players are fighting for their lives in Oakland.
Jackson said Shaughnessy will have shoulder surgery in the near future.
And new "FA"s are going to be eager for a chance to come in and play under Hue....
This has been a remarkable turnaround the past 2 seasons...
Now I understand why we held on to that $5-$8 Mil of Salary Cap...Great foresight!!!
PantyRaider...Greatness In The Making!!!/_
AngelicRaider
Former Bengals receiver T.J. Houshmandzadeh has been working out with new Raiders quarterback (and former “retired” Bengal) Carson Palmer all year. He told Bengals.com that Palmer’s elbow, which caused him to miss 12 games in 2008 with a frayed ulna nerve, was still hurt last year.
“I threw with him before last season and he was OK, but he wasn’t zipping it like he used to. I thought he was hurt,” Houshmandzadeh said. “This year, oh man, it’s about as good as I’ve ever seen him. He’s healthy. He’s throwing it like the Carson of old.”
AngelicRaider
I love that clip from Housh. I also read that Ochocinco might not have had very good route running and it was Palmer who made him so great. So if Housh is out of the NFL and Ocho is sitting on the bench in NE then it might mean that, Palmer made them better then they are. Lets see what he does with DHB and Moore!
I like the trade but we should start Carson Bomber after the bye. It seems to soon to throw the guy in.
GO RAIDERS!!!!!!!!
My personal opinion is that it would be ideal to have Boller start vs. KC to give Carson 3 full weeks to prepare prior to the Denver game.
I also believe that for this unique 1 game window that Boller gives the Raiders the best chance to win.
Being able to use the majority of the playbook w/Boller as opposed to a stripped down playbook for Palmer is a big plus.
I don't think Hue has made any pre-determined decision on the KC game yet.
No doubt Hue likes to "live on the edge" so we shall see who ends up getting the nod to start.
One of Hue's biggest strengths as a head coach is that he is excellent at putting his players in the best possible positions to succeed.
BTW, it would be a tremendous accomplishment for the organization to have the 4th consecutive home game sell-out vs. KC.
Let me back that up, Calico.
Hue Jackson is saying the Superbowl in 2011. Marc Davis is saying the Superbowl in 2011. Amy Trask is saying the Superbowl in 2011. All of the players, coaches, scouts and negotiators are saying Superbowl in 2011. According to an NFL network poll, 50% of Raider Nation is saying Superbowl in 2011.
That last needs to be 100%. This one is for Al. Give six appearances and four victories. Just win, baby.
In the year 2011 the City of Oakland needs to believe in something. But let's not just believe. Let's will it to happen.
Wow... I haven't clicked on this site in 6 months and I fully expected everyone to be still a knot away from a full noose... what the difference a 4-2 start brings!
CP brings HOPE for not only a playoff game, but going deep into it.
I think the only reason Campbell looked improved is because we put together one of the best offensive lines in the NFL, and also the most well-rounded RB. Oh, and the best young talented (and yet unproven) WR's in football.
Campbell was driving a Corvette like a Honda, and we were impressed he didn't look like he was driving an AMC Hornet.
This team can go to the HOUSE.
Bank it... greetings!
Told ya...
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/10/19/SP261LJM93.DTL
BR,
No question that this season has a "destiny", "magical" quality to it where Al's passing has given the entire organization an extra incentive to pull together, stay focused on winning in order to truly honor him.
I'm also comfortable with reaching for the ultimate goal this year of winning the SB even though it is a long-shot at best.
The main reasons that I'm ok with these unrealistic expectations in 2011 is:
(1) it is the ultimate tribute to Al to not settle for anything less
(2) there is no downside (IMO) to reaching for the stars and falling short
(3) if you make the playoffs, anything is truly possible.
BTW.. if you thought Hue was a river boat gambler with a QB that could complete a pass over 20 yards only if you gave him 5 tries... WAIT UNTIL YOU SEE THIS NOW.
That is why he said it was the best trade in football.
The playbook is now WIDE OPEN.
Strap on your g-suits folks... this is going to be a wild ride!!
calico, I agree. take a look at the sf giants last year. who in their right mind would have EVER thought that that team would win the world series?
anything is possible now. i'm not saying we're gonna win the Super Bowl because we still need to figure out how to stop the run, but who knows? we could be the "giants" of the 2011 season...
Gary..
Howdy Howdy...Great to hear form you bro!!!
Scorpio...
We have stopped the run the past 2 weeks...less than 70yd per game...Now we get to se if we can stop the #6 rushing "O" that "KC" will try to throw at us...I think we get it done!!!
AngelicRaider...
Everyone who has been around Palmer says he's healthy and very good...Now our players are speaking the same thing after just one practice...I'm quite sure Hue was apraised of that situation before he pulled this trigger...Especially if the reports are true that his trainer was on Al's payroll!!!
"BR"-n-"H"...
This one is fun as it compares that old "69" Raider Roster to our current roster...
Have the "Mad Bomber" Raiders of old returned???
Now for the record: I wont be surprised to see Pryor in this week's game...In fact mark that one down...I expect it!!!
PantyRaider...This Roster Is Awesome!!!/_
Whoops!!...Forgot the url....
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2011/10/19/2501868/2011-raider-offense-resembles-mad-bomber-raiders-of1969
10/19/2011 Signed S Jerome Boyd to practice squad
Carson Palmer 2010:
Palmer had 362 completions on 586 attempts last year. 61.2% completion rate
Out of that he was 139/266 to TO and Ochocinco combined. 52.26%
With the rest of the team, he was 223/320. 69.70%
This is in line with what the Bengals fans said that TO and 85 were the problem.
Jerrymcd Jerry McDonald
First impressions on Palmer after two days: Class act. Bonding with teammates quickly. Accepting and trading barbs. Big ? How good is he?
Evidently the Raiders are offering 1/2 priced tickets this week???...Now that's Franchise Commitment to the fans as well as to making a celebration to Mr Davis...Spectacular...Damn I wish I was there!!!
PantyRaider...Something Special Indeed!!!/_
by CorkOnTheNFL@
@CorkOnTheNFL my ticket rep told me that Mark Davis assured them on sell outs from now on. I think he plans to buy and donate like Niners
VittorioTafur Vittorio Tafur
J. Ford on chemistry: “Don’t think it takes very long. Myself & DHB, we worked with (Palmer after practice) on routes (to) get timing down.”
Here are some Carson Palmer Highlights if anyone hasn't looked yet...Including him picking apart our "D"...Yikes!!...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEzdoVGFgIY&feature=player_embedded
This also answers those questions: Yes Carson can run!!!..And he understands how to slide...LoL!!!...Has a beautiful deep ball and can buy time in the pocket...
Wearing #3...Lamonica's old #...
"MadBomber II"....
One Note On Our New 'Mad Bomber"...He's Seasoned From Playing Against Pitts-n-Baltimore!!
Some players have a tough time when they come into the AFCW dealing with our very physical game mentality out here…But playing against those two powerhouse "D"s has definitely prepared him for anything that he may face out here…This is not a guy that’s going to get rattled by the rush…He has faced that to an excess in the past and there’s no “Dear in Headlights” syndrome to plague us!!!
Damn!!…I hate remembering Walker/JeStupidist and “JC” early last season!!!
PantyRaider...The Fog Has Lifted As That Autumn Wind Has Blown That Doom Away!!!/_
More "CP" Vids:
USC "02" Heisman...Legs were a part of his game...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxjWbTRc_VA&feature=related
2009 Season: MadCat's MVP...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Mua8BryIB8&feature=related
Nate,
I like your analysis. The new CBA rewards quality work over the long haul. It also allows teams to do positional development. Rookies are still doing quite well, but there’s not this huge rush to get a ROI as there was before. It’s a little more like the old days. Now there may be more vets staying with teams longer. More salary cap room to keep them.
Shaughnessy going on IR isn’t good, but with Curry on board it hurts less. Wimbley can fill in some and Moss has been playing fairly well. Bryant or Seymour could also shift out on early downs. That may be why they waited until after the Curry deal to make the move. Didn’t want Seattle to have any additional leverage.
Jones,
Just out of curiosity, you said you had some stories. Care to share? It might help some of the folks here as we age. At first I didn’t want to even talk about it with family. But, now I hope by I can make someone aware.
I have a friend who has seven stents. He’s telling me what to look out for going forward.
H
Calico, I'm not so sure it's a long shot. Granted, this team hasn't completely come together yet, but there were some late pieces to the puzzle. Consider how the stocks of Ford, DHB and Moore all rise with the addition of Palmer. Under Jackson, we've been trying the deep ball almost every week, but we can't quite get it into the hands of the receiver. Now the other team will have to fear a deep ball threat to any of those three, as well as McFadden, Reese and Murphy. We have Schilens, Hagan and Boss to gather up the dump offs and the short patterns. We no longer only have receivers who can escape and a thunder and lightning running attack with McFadden, Bush and Jones. We now can also bring the rain.
Consider the improvement of the defense over the last couple of weeks, and understand that it has another 10 weeks to continue to improve before playoffs.
Also, we have proven that we can score on every team - offense, defense and special teams.
With eleven weeks to Simonize this Ferrari, imagine - well, just imagine.
"BR"..
Those Dump-Offs to the "TE" are no longer short...Look at what Boss is producing so far with "JC" at "QB" and imaging how much better he can be with Palmer...
21.3yd ave per reception…That’s 6yds ave better than he has ever produced…15.2 last season…
Many "WR"s don't produce over 21yds per catch...That's unreal for a "TE"...
PantyRaider...We Haven't Even Began To Rev That Engine!!!/_
H,
You asked, so here it goes, 2001, cardiomyopathy, walked into emergency with 220+ heart rate at 0 blood pressure. Was in this state for approx 1/2 hr. It caused severe scarring on my heart and left ventrical damage. Had an AICD implanted and went on medication for arrythmia (amiodarone) that later sent me into hyperthyroid that caused my heart to go nuts, received many shocks and later found out my devices were defective that they implanted as well.
Went through 8 hrs of ablation and the Dr said way too much scarring to fix it. Since then, my heart has gotten weaker and now I am getting set up for a transplant.
My arteries are clear as a bell, they told me that a virus had gotten into my heart and my body started to attack my heart thinking it was the virus. Thus causing damage that made my heart go into fibrillation, thus the AICD to shock me out when it happens...it's like a mule kicking me in the chest when it goes off...so my story ius quite different than yours and I don't know if anyone can learn from it...thanks for asking me to share it with you, take care.
JONES
Jonesy,
Good luck with the transplant thing. Yes, it does help. It’s kind of like I said, if you think something is wrong, it probably is. And don’t be macho. I’ve had to pop the nitro three times since it happened and I have to see the cardiologist twice a year (echocardiogram). I also have bradycardia (slow heart rate) my resting heart rate is in the low 50’s and drops to the high 40’s when I sleep. They have to watch me real close because one of my meds can slow the heart even more. But, the heart muscle itself is strong and I have a very strong rebound pulse. Those two things got me through this. The arteries don’t seem to want to cooperate.
My friend with the seven stents. His first episode came when he and his wife were just riding around. He asked her to take him home so he could lie down. She ignored him drove to the emergency room. He had blockages in both left and right arteries. He keeps saying if he had gotten his way, he wouldn’t be able to advise me.
Once again, good luck and we’ll keep you in our prayers, and get yourself to the ER when you need it.
Now football. I have a theory on Jason Campbell. His contract is up on 1 March. He will be a UFA. For those who think Boller will go and we will keep Campbell, I have a different take. Campbell has proven with the right supporting cast, he can win (11-7 which equates to a 10-6 season and 1-1 in the playoffs). I don’t think he will resign for backup pay. Boller already is getting paid to backup.
I believe Campbell will test the waters and, most likely, will land in Seattle with Cable, Gallery and Miller. Miller will lobby for him. Miller has 8 receptions in 6 games, only 62 yards and zero TD’s. Those numbers don’t even come close to his rookie year. Plus, their QB play pretty much sucks. Campbell would be an upgrade. And, no one would trade for him since his contract is up after this season.
Now, this is all predicated on Palmer delivering as promised and Pete Carroll staying as coach up there. I think he will get one more year, then run away back to college. Gotta have an out card.
H
Heart issues and being a Raiders fan... never a good combination.
Be well!
Amen, especially the last two weeks.
H
"H"...
This is prolley a little cruel but I say good reddens...We can most certainly do better than "JC" or Boller...If you look at "JC"s last 3 games there isn't anything to get excited about...Not even satisfactory production...4 "TO"s to 3 Scores...
This coming draft is supposedly the deepest "QB" draft in a long long time...Not that we take one but this will translate into several "FA" mid market "QB"s being free...We can sign one to play the #3 behind our young Pryor and veteran Palmer...
All the guys we have had lately don't even measure up to the NFL average..."JC"/Boler/Ski/Frye/McCoy...Inconsistency is their middle name!!!
This team now has the "WR"s/"TE"s/"RB"s -n- "QB"s to sustain a quality team for a good portion of this decade...We have most of the "OL" that we need...
On "D" our "DB"s are young and developing...The "LB"s are now solid...WE have a "DL" that's next to none...
Translation is that we now enter the realm of just being able to plug a player in here and there and keep going...The rebuilding phase is now finished...It's time to make our final tune up and start racing the circuit in that new "Hot Rod" "BR" was posting about....
PantyRaider...Long Time Coming But We Can Finally Enter The Main Event With A Chance To Win!!!!/_
What a difference a real "QB" can make!!!
CorkOnTheNFL Steve Corkran
Carson Palmer sideline throws arrive in a hurry, plenty of zip on his throws.
Well this should speak very loud to all those who were crying for the Blitz!!!
JoshDubowAP Josh Dubow
by CorkOnTheNFL
@Raiders Blitzing has been successful. Opponents 15-43 185 1 TD, 3 sacks 56.8 rating vs blitz last 2 games
JoshDubowAP Josh Dubow
by CorkOnTheNFL
compared to 30-53 446 yards 3 TDs, 2 INTs, 4 sacks 87.5 rating against non-blitz
RT~
I tell you, this "Minty Freshness" in your take - and (mostly) everyone else's - is SOOO refreshing.
What a difference a day (or 2,920!) makes!
People around me are bringing up our latest QB situation out of the blue, and I'm just... well, giddy!
I haven't felt this optimistic since Gruden/Gannon, and I sure want to revel in this moment.
H, JONES ~ I'm praying for health and wellness for you guys. And it's so wonderful to see you two communicating nicely.
One thing I've been wanting to post was in regard to our not re-signing Nnamdi, Zach, and Gallery.
Those three were on record questioning the decision to let Cable go and so much criticism aimed at BigAL's (R.I.P.) elevation of HugeAction. Then, POOF!
None were offered new contracts.
Co-in-ki-dink? I don't think so.
Just sayin'...
~'Cat
Cat,
Thanks.
Yeah, we argue. But it's family.
H
Thanks H and Cat.
I was one of the ones who said Hue will just be another yesman. Now, he IS THE MAN. The Palmer move was excellent, it shows a commitment to WINNING, Hue's aggresive ways towards winning was all ALL OF US WANTED.
It's here and I have no complaints other than Mr.Davis not here to, or maybe he is in another form, enjoy his last hurrah. Everyone has their own way with dealing with the losing, it was extremely frustrating, this site allowed for steam to be blown off = good therapy.
I know I was a dick sometimes, even though I felt it was warranted sometimes, but, what are you going to do? People don't agree, it gets personal, happens with my brothers, my wife, my kids etc....but we always learn from it, that is the key.
I want the Raiders to continue with their path, they are sending the league notice and that is GOOD, just keep making the right moves and there isn't a problem, right?
JONES
Cat...
There was one other guy that spoke out and he threw a TD pass last week...Shane, if Al would of let him walk, best punter in the game and threw a nice ball to Boss. Just keep making the right moves....
JONES
now lets all grab hands and sing cum-by-ah!!!
sorry, could resist.
i agree it is great to see all the old faces posting again.
jones and H,
i am an echo tech (cardiac ultrasound) so i see bad hearts everyday. be strong and hang in there. a little prayer sometimes helps too. i said one for you both before posting this.
go raiders!
AngelicRaider-
Is posters being peaceful at RT a sign of the apocalypse? Love the harmony.
Does it make sense to start Palmer? What if he came off the bench?
JONES~
I wasn't aware that Shane had spoken out about the non-Cable re-signing. But... he'd already been signed under a hefty 4-year contract prior to the 2009 season, hadn't he? So his contract wasn't up.
And what a pretty pass that was, right???
Take~
I'm feeling you on the "fate" thing. I mean, our team fought hard and "Just Won Baby!" then in the end of it all the cost of our QB.
All of the turmoil that ensued - and I'd never even considered Carson Palmer - then voilá!
We have an elite Quarterback! One who had years of dealing with our new Leader...
I love our coach's attitude. We're In It to Win It!
Just Wow, Baby!
~'Cat
Apparently, Al Davis saw something in Jackson that he didn't see in Cable and he was decisive to move on it after last season. We all knew Jackson was behind the tremendous improvement on offense, but it looked as though Cable was the glue for the lockerroom.
Kudos to big Al for leaving his team in good hands!
For my 2 cents, I'd start Boller this week and replace him with Palmer if the game circumstances warrant it. Unless, of course, Palmer looks lights out in practice. Then it would be tough to resist.
Scorpio, I'm at approx 20% infarction rate, done my share of praying and it does help, being strong spiritually can bring us through many tribulations. Ask you a question, the gel they use on the instrument that 'xrays' the heart, when are they going to come up with a 'warm' gel? It's always ice cold and why are most of the techs ugly?
JONES
Frkyraider,
Naw, hold hands and recite Autumn Wind.
Scorpio,
Thanks, I get my Echo next month and they want me to have on every six months for the first year, then yearly.
AngelicRaider,
Yes, apocalypse for the rest of the NFL.
It may not be this season, still a long way to go. But, I believe those seven low years are firmly in the rearview mirror and growing smaller.
H
Jones and H, I guess we'll have to start a I Heart Raiders Club.
I guess I split the difference between you two. About six years ago, I started noticing that my heart beat was irregular when I went to bed at night. Then, within about a week, I couldn't breath. No matter what I was doing, it felt like I had just sprinted 200 yards.
I went on-line and decided that my symptoms matched the classic signs of Congestive Heart Failure. So, I went to Emergency. They asked me what I thought was wrong, and I told them.
"Uh, yeah... Uh huh."
He took some tests and came back.
"Son of a gun. You have Congestive Heart Failure."
Along with that, I have Atrial Fibrillation (the irregular rhythm). They think I got it all from a virus. It enlarged my heart (a lot of scarring). The reason that you can't breath is that the heart becomes so inefficient that blood backs up in the lungs.
Been under medications ever since. One of the things that CHF is supposed to do is never get better. It's supposed to continuously get worse until you either die or get a heart transplant.
Amazingly, my heart efficiency has improved with each doctor's visit over the last two years. Currently it is operating just below low normal, at 55% efficiency.
I'm beginning to think I have my fathers genes. He survived lung cancer twice (in the late 60s no less), skin cancer, and colon cancer. He was kind of like that character in Little Big Man, where every time the protagonist saw him, he had another piece whittled off. We sailed together until he died at the age 90 in 2010.
Wow, BLANDA, I had the same thing, why were you not implanted with an AICD? My heart was showing improvement too, I went from 20% to 30% but since they messed up my thyroid with Amiodarone and ablation, my % has been falling. Your heart never went into Fib. again? If so, you are lucky.
JONES
Jones, my doctor wanted to give me an AICD two years ago, because initially I was at 35%. When it went up to 50% he decided that he'd wait a bit, then it went up to 55%. He told me the low end of normal was 60% so I was close enough where he didn't think I needed it. If I was down to 30%, I'd have one.
But you're right. I'm really lucky. I have not had to check myself back into the hospital since the problem first manifested itself.
I went through cardioversion treatment for the A-fib. That's where they stop your heart and then restart it with electric shock. That works like a computer reboot. The A-fib went away for a little more than a year, but it's back. Not as bad as it was, but it's back.
I was treated at Santa Clara Kaiser. It turns out that they are considered to be the best cardiac clinic in the state. My doctor (whom they refer to as Doogie Houser because he looks so young) is the chairman of the California Cardiology Association.
Clearly, there's no substitute for good health. A Raiders win this week would surely make us all feel better.
Cheers to the Raiders' Heart Club!
Well, you guys take care of yourselves. At least with IHD if it gets blocked enough and they can't put any more stents in they can do a bypass.
Raiders are at 4 1/2 point favorites. I think Cassel will be running for his life.
Huff is going through his second injury, but he has been flying all over the field whacking folks. He almost did a full flip diving over a block early on Sunday while blitzing.
McClain has been more active of late also. More like when he was in college. I think Hue said "Release the hounds!!!!"
H
I started to cut and paste but then realized I wanted to express everything in this article.
The Raiders are changing!
http://tinyurl.com/6dj2gwn
You know, most folks have been talking about what Palmer does for our passing game. Consider, for moment, what he will mean to our running game.
With Palmer's arm and accuracy, and the speed and escapability of DHB, Jones and Moore (and Murphy, for that matter) opponents will have no choice but to play their safeties deep.
On first down I can see Palmer stepping up to Center to look over the defense, audibles in mind. He'll be thinking, "Com'on, Suckers, show me eight in the box."
If they keep their safeties back, or in Cover Two, it will be open season for McFadden, Bush and Jones.
I know the 'reboot', have had approx 50 'reboots' awake and when out. When you get a reboot while awake, it ain't fun. My AICD has a defib in it and gives me a shock directly to my heart when I go into fib. It gives you snot bubbles, it hits harder than Jack Tatum, in his prime. To all those fellow humans that have gone through any health ordeal...keep on truckin...see, I am old too.
JONES
NY....do NOT become a member of this club, just keep healthy no matter how crazy life is. Though, because of this bump in the road, I have learned things I never would have learned had my life had stayed the same. So no matter what, there is good if you find it.
If the Raiders make the playoffs, my ticker might have a problem dealing with the stress, lol. Probably have to watch in bed, would sure like to see a few playoff wins this year.
JONES
Damn, I go away for a few hours, and come back to find everyone holding hands in the mud like it's Woodstock or something.
Well, good for us, and good for the Raiders.
I liked this line from Mike Silver's piece (I don't say that often, by the way): "Besides, Davis left the Raiders with a ton of talented players, and Jackson is supremely confident in his ability to coach any of the men at his disposal."
I think it's true. As much as Mr. Davis's fingerprints were all over everything when we were mired in losing, so are his fingerprints all over the current roster, from the coaches on down. If you listened to Hue Jackson's postgame words after the Texans game, you heard just how much Davis was involved right up to the end.
There's still a ton of work to do. We haven't won anything yet. In fact, we haven't posted a winning season since you-know-when.
But we all seem to agree that there's been a shift in attitude, culture and, best of all, football performance.
It's to early to say if Mr. Davis turned it all around before leaving us, but one thing is for sure: our captain righted the Pirate ship once again, and for one final time, on a sea of MINTY FRESH.
P.S. I appreciate the medical discussion, very illuminating, and wouldn't be surprised if, someday, it really helps one of us reading it.
From the core of young players drafted the past few seasons (Run DMC, Bush, T. Jones, Ford, Moore, Murphy, DHB, Shillens, Wiz, Valdheer, Barksdale, Shaughnessy, Bryant, Houston, McClain, Chekwa, DVD, Branch, Huff, Mitchell),
to the coaching staff assembled,
to the veterans acquired (Boss, Hagan, Campbell, Carlisle, Satelle, Cartright, Groves, Curry, Wimbley),
Davis deserves a lot of credit in laying the foundation for future success.
I only wish he was around at least another year to see it all come to fruition.
Make no mistake ... the Raiders have a difficult task ahead of them and I would expect some setbacks.
However, the real beauty of this team that you can feel, hear, taste, and see is the resolve, commitment, and focus to keep their eyes on the prize.
"BR"...
Now you have me very curious...I'm 61 today and have enjoyed perfect health other than the structural damage from the life I lead...My immune system is so strong that even after being exposed to all sorts of foreign viruses and such I'm still strong...And confident...Still very active and athletic...Running/dancing/hill climbing in the wilderness of Cambo and at the gym...
Twice sense "05" I have been taken down by Dengue Fever and some other water born infection from this warm tropic environment but still come back very strong...Went form 190 down to 145#s due to that Dengue Fever which killed 350 children in Phnom Penh and the other one knocked me down to 155#s....Not good but I have been around everything from Malaria to H5N1 outbreaks...Bird Flue and not gotten anything else....I mean folks around me are sick repeatedly but I'm Not...Now that will give an old man all the confidence in the world...
But now your shaking it a bit...How does the heart get a virus??...Is this some blood born virus that travels to the heart???...Where would such a thing come from and how the hell do you prevent it???....
No mater how big and strong a man is the tiniest thing on Earth can still take us apart and end us...San but very true...And I have been one to demand strength of myself no matter what the circumstance I'm in...Never ever do I give up or quit!!!...That's just NOT an option in my world!!!
Now don't get me wrong because I'm not comparing myself to anyone else but I have learned threw life to follow others of strength...Follow their leads...
Al Davis is/was one of those examples who exemplified the desire to keep pushing no mater the circumstances and I honor him for that...Many a pro athlete like Bo Jackson and Gorge Blanda have continued despite brutal injury or the adversities of age and in them I take refuge...They lead by example and I follow....But Damn!!!...A Virus can attack my heart and knock me down for eternity???
I have an "Athletic Heart" and my blood work is right down between the lines like a 20 yr old....The "VA" has been astonished because they can always find something wrong to get on our cases about...
So "BR" now that our scaring me please explain...
PantyRaider....Damn Bugs!!!/_
NYR...
I know what your wanting to take from that Cokran post but he left out a few very important comments from our "DC" himself...
Like that with "MM" back and a few other players added the opportunity was there to do more than the 1st games this season....Bresnahan played that down when "Mediot"s were trying to forecast that the loss of Al Davis was the contributing factor in this and I for one will accept a statement from an insider way before the speculations of a damn "Mediot"!!!...
The 2nd thing forgotten here is that before the season ever started Woodson told us things were going to be different...That we mixed things up when he was here early in this century and that we will even more now under Bresnahan's return...So all this has been in the works prior to the loss of Mr Davis...
Why!!...Well perhaps Mr Davis had a vision and brought Bresnahan back for a reason while giving him the latitude to do it his way???...In in the distant past that was also the Raider Way during Maden's time with this team...
PantyRaider...Damn "Mediot"s Will Aways Try!!!/_
Panty, I'm not sure what you want me to explain. A lot of people have CHF, and there's a few things that can cause it. An excessive lifestyle is one - but the rub there is that what may be an excessive life style to another. Some people drink a pint of gin a day and die at 90, some never touch the stuff and die at 20. And there is every variation in between.
As for viruses, there's a few ways they can get you. Your immune system, in attempting to attack the virus attacks an organ instead - like the heart. That seems to be what happened to JONES. I think in my case the virus attacked the heart directly. I also think that might be why my condition is somewhat less severe than Jones. The immune system is a powerful thing. There are actually several diseases that cause the immune system to turn on you. Some forms of cancer, for instance. But in this case, it's specific to the heart.
I don't know if that makes any sense. I'm not a doctor, but I actually did play one on TV. Day time TV no less.
Ask Dr "BR"...LoL!!!
Thanks Doc!!!
I posted this info some years ago but it's time to do it again because this is what's responsible for kicking my immune system and keeping everything else in such great working condition...Even helped to recover from sever structural damage due to injury...Now that the damage disappears but that the body adjust by finding new pathways...Healing even from this takes place...
C-2 to C-7 -w- Central Canal Stenosis/Cervical spinal stenosis at 3 layers -n- Lesions on the Spinal Cord -w- left hemisphere numbness extending from the neck to the foot......
4 bulging/degenerative disc Thoracic Spine
Fractured Vibrator L-5 -w- Herniation Protrusion and 2 bulging disc L-3 to S-1...
Tamra to Trigeminal nerve #5 from Brain Cortex -w- enlarging and left hemisphere numbness of the head...
3 knee surgeries and multiple other minor to moderate injuries to muscles/tendons/legitimates and their attachments...Right shoulder/Right Elbow/Left Knee/Right Foot -w- multiple fractures (Motorcycle Wreck)....
Sounds bad but it's not really because I'm doing really really well with it now...Moderate temperature environment with very low stress helps too....
But this is the key:
Disclaimer..Everything is now a banned substance by the NFL/Olympics and may Nations due to abuse by young athletes...Because this damn shit really works!!!...Just ask Romo!!!
HGH...Human Growth Hormone...
This is a liquid sub-lingual application that stimulates the Pituitary into activity replenishing your own HGH production...Homeopathic...
Vital HGH...
http://www.liddell.net/p138/Vit%C3%A0l-HGH/product_info.html
DHEA (Dehydroepiandrosterone)...25mg....once per day...
Stimulates the Pituitary...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DHEA
Yohimbe Bark 760 mg once daily
Heart Stimulant and Gonad Kicker..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yohimbine
Vanadyl Sulfate...10 mg...twice daily...
Glucose Tolerance...
Video:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/van.html
http://www.vanadyl.com/
Chromium Picolinate ...200 mcg...twice daily...
Insulin Tolerance...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromium%28III%29_picolinate
All of these substances have been misused by athletes while trying to get bigger/faster/stronger while healing quicker thus rebuilding quicker and reviving energy quicker as well...Increased endurance and stamina...
Their intent is for the treatment of the effects of aging and other medical problems in a controlled dosage...The dosages I use are those outlined by a team of "SD" researchers who developed the HGH treatment back in the late 90's and I have stuck to that rigidly for the past 12 seasons and it works....
PantyRaider...Sounds Like "Snake Oil" Works Like A Miracle!!!/_
Blanda,
What you speak is true. It’s different for each person. I’m the youngest of five siblings. The only one who never smoked. I enjoy a few beers now and again, and even though I make my own I give more away than I consume. Son-in-Law of H and his friends are especially appreciative of that. The rest of my siblings were prone to over indulge. Always kept my weight under control and exercised regularly. Basically did most of the right things. I’m the only one with heart disease. Go figure. Cardiologist told me I wasn’t even in the same zip-code with the normal profile for this problem. As they say, crap happens.
After getting over my denial phase I figured whining about it didn’t help. So you just laugh, watch football and spend as much time with Grandson of H and his Mom as possible. I just changed my mind and decided to share the experience so folks will know what to look out for and what to do. If you have chest discomfort, pain or anything that makes you think something is bad wrong, chew two aspirin and dial 911. The other symptom to look out for is a sense of foreboding or dire circumstances. It’s your body telling you something is wrong. That’s the biggie I had along with all the pressure. I don’t panic easily.
I have a feeling this game could be a monumental blowout. The Chefs are expecting some QB turmoil. And, there might be some. But, the defense seems to be rounding into form and KC’s O-Line is suspect. They will have to do more max protect which will make coverage easier. Our defense will see a stacked defense to stop the run. Kevin Boss will be used early to move the chains and set up the deep ball. Then McFadden and Bush will be free to roam.
Hey, it’s as good as anything the experts will probably be saying. And, some of them are now saying Palmer is a perfect fit for Jackson’s offense.
H
PR - I guess my central point is that I've wanted the Raiders to become more dynamic and now they are just that (I think we're all enjoying it).
It's easy to credit Hue Jackson but I also give credit to Al Davis for hiring Jackson and allowing Jackson to start this transition before Davis died.
Nobody here is going to disagree that Al Davis assembled this team. It's the last chapter in his storybook life and we're watching it unfold. Amazing will be an understatement if Hue Jackson and the Raiders can add to Davis' legacy. it's what he lived (and died) for.
My position has always been that Davis, for whatever reason, failed to fully evaluate the talent on the Raiders from 2003 until Shell II. It was at that point that he decided that, for the first time since he'd arrived, the team needed rebuilding. He worked tirelessly, until the moment he died (and I think those efforts helped derail his health) to restore the team in the Raider image. He made some mistakes along the way, but always attempted to correct them as soon as he was able.
Davis knew that he'd finally found in Jackson what he'd been looking for, and shared the vision with Jackson. Jackson fully bought in, and has added many of his own pieces to the puzzle.
While many say that Al hated to blitz, that's really not true. Al hated to rely on the blitz. I listened to a good many of interviews with Al shortly following his death and his primary defensive philosophy was to always disrupt whatever it is that the offense is trying to do. He didn't just want corners with speed, he wanted them to be able to jam the WRs at the line and delay the completion of their routs. By doing so, that gives the front four added time to pressure the QB.
Of most importance to Davis was flushing out the QB or collapsing the pocket ("The QB must go down, and go down hard"), so DTs were also at a premium with Davis.
I think that Davis has left us with a team, the core of which will last us a decade. We have a chance for multiple Superbowls here.
NYR...
Kool...Nice Attitude...
When I read Corkran it was very much slanted to speak change now that Al Davis is out of the way...He only noted what would build his case as he took a few comments/quotes and pasted them into his discourse...Not that he built his case around the quotes...Totally the other way around...
"H"...
That's the adverse situation that I'm getting from all of this medical...How the hell do you know what's right and what ain't...
In my case I'm a reformed drunk...Well party hardy type...No drugs sense "70" at 20 and being discharged for misconduct so associated...Amongst other little issues!!!...LoL!!!...5-18-71...
Quit smoking at 30...1980...Stopped the booze at 42...1992...Very very mild drinking now days...But I worked in a very toxic environment with everything from nuke contamination to lead/manganese and other heavy metals...Was EPA Certified to handle hazardous waste while dealing with all the leaching chemicals used in American mining operations in the SW...Texas/NM/AZ/Co/Nv/Ut...Silver/Molybdenum/Copper -n- Gold mines and also Nuclear waste from a facility that doesn't exist...Albuquerque NM on the AirForce Base...Reactor...
So to come away from all of that without respiratory distress and good health is remarkable in itself...But now that I'm trying for many season to do everything right I might be suitable to___________ because_________???
WoW!!...Now that's a very hard pill to swallow!!!
PantyRaider...Take 2 And Call Dr "BR" In The Morning!!!/_
Panty,
The bottom line is you do the best you can and if something is wrong, get checked. Each person is different. It’s kind of like Boller/Palmer. Both grew up in California. Both probably went to some of the same camps. Got a lot of the same coaching. Probably played against each other (only two years apart in age).
So, what makes Palmer the better quarterback?
There’s no one answer.
Now, for those wanting to draw parallels between Palmer and Plunket, here's two that haven’t been mentioned I don't believe.
Heisman Trophy and both are from California.
NYRaider,
Correct, we've all wanted the team to be more dynamic and less predictable. And, I believe, it's as much to do with the current coaching staff as it is the players. I'm working on memory, but...
Exhibit A: Chuck Bresnahan did like to blitz, especially in pressure situations. In the Tuck You game the two guys on top of Brady were Charles Woodson and Greg Biekert. Just Google images of "Tuck Rule".
Exhibit B: I'll go back and look but I believe on the Brownies last two plays pressure was brought from a different angle on each play. McCoy was throwing under duress.
Exhibit C: O-Line play is more aggressive this year also. They are looking for people to whack until the whistle blows. And, in my opinion, it has a lot to do with Wiz helping to coach the line. He’s instilling an attitude in them.
Aggressive play leads to dynamism. It can also lead to mistakes, but at least you go down swinging.
H
H, right you are about Wiz. Many called him a dirty player. But they called him that because, no matter what, he played right to the whistle. Often defensive players believed they were out of the way of the play, but if they were standing in front of Wiz, and the whistle hadn't blown, they were going to get popped.
Raiders | Collecting former Top-10 picks
Fri, 21 Oct 2011 06:16:02 -0700
Following the acquisitions of QB Carson Palmer and LB Aaron Curry, the Oakland Raiders now have eight players on their 53-man roster who were top-10 picks in the NFL Draft, second most in the league.
OK...But who has the most...Detroit???....After 10 seasons of picking at #1???
Raiders | Carson Palmer took pay cut
Thu, 20 Oct 2011 16:11:44 -0700
Oakland Raiders QB Carson Palmer took a $5 million pay cut to join the Raiders, according to a source. He was set to make $11.5 million this year under his old deal; he would have made $7.44 million prorated over the last 11 games this season. Palmer will now be paid $2.5 million for the rest of the year. The Raiders guaranteed $5 million of his $12.5 million salary next season. He will make $12.5 million next year, $13 million in 2013 and $15 million in 2014.
Well that's far less than the $17 Mil that we would have paid Namndi...And if Carson gets us to the big dance his $$$$ is well worth it...Not to mention all the help he can give to a young Pryor in the interim to get him ready...
Reports are that a few of our "WR"s are staying late to help get a report with Palmer...No don't they all want to be his favorite target!!!..."DHB"-n-Ford are reported but there may also be others...I will expect the same during our Bye when players are guaranteed at least 4 days off with rest....It can't be a team scheduled event but it could be directed in meetings as to what to work on...Me Thinks!!!
OK says Saunders..."Here's today's playbook and these are the plays we have scripted so far for the 1st quarter" as Pryor looks over the shoulder..."Ya!! The WildCat!! I love that one"!!!
"Now calm down Pryor...Your getting your shot"!!! scolds Palmer...
PantyRaider...Yikes!!!...2 Weeks Of Dead Time!!!/_
Here's something that I want to apply towards Pryor...It's applied towards the new Draft prospects coming out but just as well applies to a player like Pryor who is so similar in almost all aspects...
In 1998, Peyton Manning was as safe and pro-ready a quarterback prospect as they come. In 2011, Cam Newton was seen as a spectacular athlete, but a risk because he was raw at the position.
Both started in Week 1 as rookies, Newton with a truncated offseason. Their respective numbers through six weeks …
MANNING (1998): 113-210 (53.8 percent), 1,346 yards, 6 TD, 14 INT
NEWTON (2011): 134-229 (58.5 percent), 1,847 yards, 7 TD, 9 INT
So Newton threw more, for a higher completion percentage, more yards, more touchdowns and fewer interceptions than Manning. Both players' teams were 1-5 at that juncture.
On top of that, going into last week, the Panthers had more explosive pass plays than any other team in the league, with Newton having thrown for every one of them. Already, teams are having to re-adjust the way they defend him.
"He'll break contain, then throw it, and there'll be a big play there for him," said one NFC executive. "You'll see more game plans now so he's not throwing it over your head. You have to get him in the situation where the field gets shorter on him, and make him make tighter throws. Red-zone scoring is where you see the rookie in him, where the field is constricted."
I'm telling you this our boy Pryor too when he gets his chance to shine under Hue's game plans...And you can just bet that Hue -n- Saunders are looking at what the Panthers are doing to get their young rookie in a position to produce like he has...Also this is prolley allot of the reasoning behind Denver now going with Tebow who is also very similar while trying to find a spark of life in a "Dead Mule"!!!...
This:
"But get this type of quarterback in the spread, and he doesn't have to read. Cam is 6-foot-6, 260, so he doesn't have to anticipate.
"He makes plays by buying time in the pocket, and it's easier for him -- you don't rush as much, because if you rush, there's a lane open and he'll go. So he buys that time, and gets some more from the lack of rush, and eventually, the coverage will break down."
PantyRaider...What Dreams Are Made Of!!!/_
Here's something about "D"s this season...Now just ours but most have had similar failures after this screwed up off season with no prep time...And than we also had a new/returning "DC" too..
Conversely, defensive problems with miscommunication and tackling have contributed to the offensive fireworks this fall, according to Zimmer and a number of personnel executives I spoke with. They all say there have been far more coverage "busts" early in the season than normal.
As Zimmer explains it, "With offenses being so multiple with their shifts and motions and different packages, they might come to the line with 10 things they can do, and if you have 10 things you can do, then there are 100 different categories when you say, 'If they motion here, you do this.' But if you have three checks, then it's down to 30. Basically, we've slowed it down so guys can play reckless."
"A lot of teams are going no huddle now, and that really stresses your communication," said one NFC personnel executive.
The other problem has been tackling.
According to one club's data, more than half of the explosive pass plays (18-plus yards) in the league through six weeks started at or behind the line of scrimmage, a jarring number that speaks to the number of missed tackles seen.
"When you're not teaching them how to tackle, and doing it physically, that's what happens. There's no question that with the parameters coaches have to work in now, not being able to do this or that, you're seeing an effect. Instead of being wrap-up tacklers, you're seeing guys becoming launchers. And on those screens and smoke-type plays, you have corners who don't tackle, and you put bodies in front of them, and big plays happen."
So with other teams seeing the problems, and having to strip down their defense or rebuild their fundamentals to combat them...
PantyRaider...Our "D" Has Not Looked Good But Improving....Seems To Be A Trend This Season!!!/_
One More Time: Was Hue Communicating With Palmer???
Here's Some Good Insite On Palmer And Who His Coach Has Been...That Hue Connection!!
“He’s healthy as a horse,” said former NFL quarterback Ken O’Brien, who’s been working with Palmer during the ex-Bengal’s time off. "I just helped him get through drills. And from where he was, he had to get healthy after the end of the season. That’s the good part of the layoff. He rested his body up. … Everyone wants to be in top shape, but when you have an injury inside of you, with ligaments or cartilage, that takes time to heal, no matter how strong or muscular you feel.
“And athletes are gonna push it to get back sooner. The teams want them to play sooner. And that can be a detriment to the player long-term. So being forced to be out, I think, helped him in the healing process.”
O’Brien added, more specifically on Palmer, “I do know that he pushed himself (with the elbow) to play sooner, and in my eyes — he’d never say this, or make an excuse — he wasn’t 100 percent natural. He didn’t look like his old self.”
Over the past few months, Palmer and O’Brien would pick a park or high school to stage their workouts with some receivers, and work through drills — footwork, drops, the passing tree — to keep Palmer sharp.
O’Brien was Palmer’s quarterbacks coach his first three years at USC, working under then-Trojans offensive coordinator Hue Jackson, and has been called on for “QB tune-ups” by Palmer periodically since. This offseason provided the two a chance to work together more frequently and, for what it’s worth, O’Brien saw a player whose drive hadn’t waned in the least.
“I never asked, but it was unsaid,” O’Brien told me. “He’s working hard at it. He’s loved the game since he was a young kid, and being extremely talented doesn’t hurt. He still has that desire, that competitive nature. Things didn’t work out (in Cincinnati), but it’s not because he didn’t want to play. He stuck to his guns. Everyone has an opinion on that, and mine is it took balls to do it.”
“This is a long-haul deal for Carson,” O’Brien said.
Bottom line: If the 2005 Palmer is back, then those two first-round picks won’t seem like such a steep price.
“If everything else is equal, he has all the talent in the world to do whatever he wants to,” O’Brien said. "Talent and desire is not an issue. It might’ve been a dysfunctional situation he was in, or being injured, where he didn’t have as much success of late. And being healthy certainly helps. He can do everything he wants to do physically now, and that’s exciting.
“Add to that, he and Hue have history together. Hue knows what to do, he’s an exceptionally smart coach. Carson will fit right in, where they were looking for an answer. You can’t just get guys like him.”
PantyRaider...This Could Have Been Tampering!!!/_
This just in:
Carson Palmer unlikely to start on Sunday. Now there's a head scratcher. Why in the hell is that breaking news. Must be a slow news day.
Anyway, interesting stat. One story I read said Palmer looked his best in the last three games of last year. So I looked them up.
The Cincy won 4 games all year.
The last three, they were 2-1. Palmer was 62/89 for 783 yards with 5 TD's and 2 INT's. He basically stopped throwing to Ocho and Owens. His best of the three was against the Dolts.
We need to take the Chefs this Sunday. That will put is at 5-2 and 2-0 in the division.
We are currently 3-2 out of the division which is already an improvement over our 2-6 from last year.
H
Jano is hurting.
I'm betting that Boller is the starter on Sunday. It seems to me that if Jackson was even thinking about starting Palmer on Sunday, Palmer would be taking every first unit snap in practice. That would be necessary in order for him to get is timing down with the receivers and running backs.
So far, Boller has been starting off every practice session with the first unit.
I think we'll probably see Palmer against SD, but expect him to be a little shaky with the offense for a few weeks. Once he knows the receivers and is comfortable with the playbook, look out!
One thing we have to remember is that Palmer didn't retire because he wanted more money. Palmer retired because he was exhausted by the culture on the Bengals where Ocho and TO were allowed to completely freelance and run their own routs. Palmer actually took a pay cut to come here.
As I understand it, the Bengals culture last season and a few prior was sort of like the culture on the Raiders during Shell II.
Palmer says it couldn't have worked out better because he's thrilled to be working with Jackson and thrilled with the attitude of the franchise.
"BR"...
It's sorta funny but remember a few seasons ago when Cincy was bringing in all the known bad boys that supposedly had talent and could make them an instant success story...Said to be the new Raiders on the block...Than came the melt-down...
Now some of that type of trash makes it's way to "NE" and Philly and the Jets and already we start to see the very adverse effects on those teams too...
Our "06" Raiders were one of the worst in history to wear our colors...Moss -n- Porter made damn sure of that along with several other malcontents...What a total turnaround this team is today...Almost hard to believe they are the same team...
The old time Bad Asses and these new age Bad Boys are NOT cut from the same mold at all...
Meanwhile I don't at all view Palmer as one of them...To the contrary he's an outcast in that group...
And to think I wanted Plaxico...Vince Young...Hainsworth...
PantyRaider...My Bad!!!/_
It seems that all three QBs are taking snaps with the first unit. Could it actually be that Hue intends to use all three out there on Sunday? He could use Pryor in the Wild Cat. He could also put Palmer in the game, late, should we run up a two score lead.
This was suggested by a media type. I guess they don't know that if you bring in your number three, you're not allowed to bring your number one or two back in unless the three goes down with an injury. In other words, according to the rules, you can rotate two QBs but you can't rotate three.
Regardless, I think it's something that Jackson might have tried if he could get away with it.
Also, the best nick-name I've seen used for Jackson is 'Action Jackson.' In view of Jackson's play calling style, that one really fits. I think we should go with it.
Action Jackson working in unison with Carson Bomber.....i love it!!
"BR"...
There was a rule change this season regarding the #3 "QB"...It's no longer an issue bringing them in and than going to someone else...You can now substitute at will...
I think this change was made because some teams want to use the "WildCat/WildHog and have a #3 "QB" that's used in those situations...The Jets I think...
As I posted already I fully expect to see Pryor in his game...Sense being drafted he has had 8 full weeks to learn that playbook regardless of not being able to practice it...He has also sat in on all meetings and been able to view film and such even during his 5 game suspension...Now for the past 2 weeks he has been taking his share of the snaps and is prolley ready...Or as ready as a rookie gets...
It's nice to get some clarification right from Bresnahan himself to dispel some of that damn "Mediot" excretion:
– Defensive coordinator Chuck Bresnahan had this to say about linking the Raiders’ blitzing frequency to the absence of owner Al Davis:
“Some of the comments about with the passing of coach Davis that now we’re free to do more things and all that, that’s not really the case. If you go back to when I was here before, we mixed the zone pressures, the man pressures, the zone coverage, the man coverage, and it gives you an opportunity to create turnovers because you don’t always have to cover people playing with their back to the ball.”
And this:
“Hue is a big believe, and coach Davis always said it, take your play-makers and put them in play-making positions.”
As you already posted "BR" all someone has to do is look at that Tuck game and see who was past the "LOS" on that play...
PantyRaider...The "K" May Be The Real Issue!!!/_
Yikes!!!...That sounds allot like "Car Bomber"!!!
Well I guess that's OK if we be sending the "Car Bomb" into their territory!!!
And sorta fits that Raider Image...
Terrorist Attack on the "Squaw Valley Stronghold"!!!
Hue Jackson making Huge Actions.
Correction. My math was a little off. We were 2-8 outside the division last season. Not 2-6. Only beating St. Louis and Seattle. So far this season we have taken the Bi-Planes, the Texicans (on the road) and the Brownies.
One more thing is we have had two defensive stands in a row late to preserve wins. When was the last time that happened?
H
• After two days of practice, Palmer is looking good, and gaining knowledge of his receivers, according to Jackson.
Still think we may see Carson Palmer...
"I see the same guy I saw in Cincinnati [in 2004-06, when he was receivers coach],‘’ Jackson said. "He’s got a very strong arm. He hasn’t fumbled a snap. He’s been laughing and talking with his receivers, all his new teammates. Here’s what I noticed: He’s been here 16 hours, and [in Wednesday’s practice], I give him a play, he calls it, he executes it flawlessly.’’
My bet is that in order to make room for Rayner they IR Jason Campbell.
One thing I had to notice. When Palmer arrived, it was D(Gi'Me The Ball)HB who led the affter practice workouts with Palmer and the WRs.
One note:
If Boller were starting we should expect to hear a little pimping of the guy...We don't..Instead what we get is real positive talk about Carson Palmer and a little about special packaging Pryor....
Based upon this I really suspect we will see the "WildCat" -n- Palmer splinting time in this game...
If it were me I would come out with the "WildCat" 1st and see how it's going to produce...If mistakes are made it's very early and there's plenty of time to make up ground...
Than at the half switch to Carson Palmer and a full complement of "WR"s just about the time "KC" thinks they have made the adjustments to stop that "WildCat"...Now were really screwing with their little minds!!!
PantyRaider...Wishful Thinking Or Real Possibility!!!/_
I'm betting that Boller plays from beginning to end, with Pryor (perhaps) thrown in on a couple of Wild Cat plays. The Wild Cat isn't a full game strategy. Then we'll see Palmer, out of town, after the bye.
That will fill the stadium when he comes home, if they win on the road.
jones, don't know about the techs, but I'M NOT ugly :o)
as for the gel, that's needed in order for the machine to work. Btw, it's not "x-ray" but rather high frequency sound that goes through your body.
There IS no warm gel. Some bigger outfits ie: kaiser, or shutter networks have "warmers". the tech sticks the bottle into this tube-like thingy and that warms the gel. smaller places like the clinic I work in, can't afford luxury items like that. most of my patients are elderly folk, who always complain about the room and the gel being cold. the cold only lasts for a few seconds.
Don't know about the techs but sometimes I'll get an occasional female hardbody in. one guy I had as a patient was lying there on the table and as I was scanning his heart, had this puzzled look on his face. I asked him, " what's wrong?" he said "wait a minute... do you do this for everyone? I said, yes. he asked "even for women?" I said yes. Then he remarked "COOL JOB!"
I meet ALL kinds in this business!
Scorp,
I guess the hard bodies make up for those big fat, hairy, smelly people that are so thick you can't even find their heart,lol? X-ray was all I could come up with at the moment, that little thingy you put cold gel on and then press on the chest to get the picture of the heart to measure the blood flow and function. Is that better?
JONES
Jones, you talking about the machine for the electrocardiogram? Most likely called a (something) scope. Again, I'm not a doctor, but I did play one on TV.
Looks like I underestimated Hue again. He didn't put Campbell on IR. Looks like he's going to give him a chance to come back, unless he becomes desperate for the roster spot.
Boller Posted A 79.5 Rate Last Week...That's His High!!!...He's A 70.4 Overall...Yikes!!!
And someone wants this turd to start???…Damn!!…I would go with the rookie 1st…
“06” was the only time he posted a high rate…104…He played only 5 games!!
33/55 60.0% 485yds 5 "TD"s 2 "Int"s 3 Fumbles!!!…That’s his best EVER!!!
Last season he posted his worst…30.2 in relief…Good Grief!!!
I'm Feeling Rather Good About This one...If Close Only In The 1st Quarter!!!
They SUCK!!!…And they haven’t played anyone!!!….The best thing they can say is they played “SD” tough but who the hell hasn’t this season???…Even Miami was giving them trouble till the end….Todd Hailey is in his “MeltDown” phase again and their season is already over…They will tank!!!
Before we take the field Sunday the great Tebow will have been trolled as “SharkBait” and the power failure in NY will have robbed the “Jolts” of any hope!!!
Than we will desecrate the visiting inhabitants of “Squaw Valley” sending them home RAPED!!!
PantyRaider...GO Raiders!!!....Com'on Pryor/Palmer!!!/_
PR,
I don't care about Boller's QB ratings in the past, present, or future.
All I care about is Boller making good decisions and putting the ball in the hands of the playmakers.
Personally, I think Boller will do just fine with Hue orchestrating the play calls, a strong rushing attack, and a team that is finding ways to win.
Finding ways to win is what the Raiders have done and will do...But you don't change a tiger's stripes...Boller is Boller and no amount of coaching him up is going to change that...At almost 30 he has proven who he is beyond all doubt...
That's the same reality when it comes to "JC"...He was who we thought he was...His highs were temporary and his lows were too...Mediocre is just his reality...
Now comes Carson Palmer who is a proven vet with a pedigree from a situation that was diminishing his performance...By all expectations he should again be who he really is...That very highly productive passer who can get the ball down field to the tune of 4-5,000 yds per season...
NOT Payton or Brady...Rivers or Breeze...Just prolley the top 10 passer that he has been...But it's our run "O" that will make him a huge winner along with our improving "D" -n- "ST"s...
To say "All I care about is Boller making good decisions and putting the ball in the hands of the playmakers." is too dream while ignoring the realities...
PantyRaider....It Is What It Is!!!/_
Scorpio,
Speaking of big burly techs. That was the thing about my heart cath. The guy who shaved me. Fortunately they had already given me some meds to relax me.
Still no word on starter. I assume Boller for now. Hopefully Janikowski will heal over the bye week.
H
anyone miss zach miller?
Seahawks: Tight end Cameron Morrah, recovering from surgery on a toe injury from last year's NFC playoffs, was activated from the physically unable to perform list for Sunday's game at Cleveland. Former Raider Pro Bowl tight end Zach Miller already was ruled out with head and neck injuries.
10/22/2011 Signed K Dave Rayner, waived DB Ron Parker
I think Miller misses us.
Hey, in defense of Jason Campbell. So far this season I have watched Jason overcome penalties, bad calls and bad field position to find a way to win, even when things weren't going well. He showed terrific leadership in the off season by holding the team together during the lock out. This was developing into Jason Campbell's team, and the team was willing to fight for him.
When push comes to shove, I wish Jason was never injured. But things are as they are. I think the signing of Palmer was bold and committed us to an all out effort to get to the Superbowl. However, whether or not Jason's leadership can be replaced by Palmer is as yet undetermined.
I am hoping, and looking forward for this season to continue to be as dramatic as it has been.
Carson Palmer on field
By Bill Williamson
OAKLAND -- For what it’s worth, newly acquired Oakland quarterback Carson Palmer on currently on the field warming up and throwing passes.
He is the only Oakland quarterback on the field.
It could mean he is going to play Sunday or it could mean he is simply warming up. But it is worth noting that Palmer is working already.
Oakland coach Hue Jackson has not announced whether Palmer or backup Kyle Boller will play Sunday against Kansas City. Palmer has had three days of practice with the Raiders.
PFT Tweeted it's Carson's decision on whether he starts or not....
Gameday thread is up.
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