One Postgame Take
Before the game, I wondered: Boller or Palmer? After the game, I had my answer: Take your pick.
I guess this is why Palmer didn't start the game. He just wasn't ready. Then again, you have to ask why the guy we did start, our #2 quarterback (!), was equally unready.
A lot is being made of our key injuries as being instrumental in the loss. Sure, they might have been instrumental, but they didn't tell the whole story. Missing Janikowski was largely irrelevant to the storyline of this game. Losing McFadden was bad, but it's not like Bush, Jones and Company are slouches. There's no way your quarterbacks, under any circumstances, should toss six picks, including two pick sixes. Our offensive line looked squishy at times, and the playcalling verged on gimmicky.
Getting shut out by the Chiefs at home is humiliating, under any circumstances. There's no reason this team should be imitating the Art Shell II era.
Part of being a winning NFL organization is managing your depth chart and overcoming adversity. It's safe to say we have work to do on both fronts.
Let's just hope this is a blip on the radar, not a sign of things to come.
I guess this is why Palmer didn't start the game. He just wasn't ready. Then again, you have to ask why the guy we did start, our #2 quarterback (!), was equally unready.
A lot is being made of our key injuries as being instrumental in the loss. Sure, they might have been instrumental, but they didn't tell the whole story. Missing Janikowski was largely irrelevant to the storyline of this game. Losing McFadden was bad, but it's not like Bush, Jones and Company are slouches. There's no way your quarterbacks, under any circumstances, should toss six picks, including two pick sixes. Our offensive line looked squishy at times, and the playcalling verged on gimmicky.
Getting shut out by the Chiefs at home is humiliating, under any circumstances. There's no reason this team should be imitating the Art Shell II era.
Part of being a winning NFL organization is managing your depth chart and overcoming adversity. It's safe to say we have work to do on both fronts.
Let's just hope this is a blip on the radar, not a sign of things to come.
posted by Raider Take at 7:18 AM
164 Comments:
It's funny to think how high my expectations were coming in. Once I'd heard that Boller was starting, I thought, Now he's gonna shine and make us all question the need of Palmer's acquisition. HA! Shame on him for being ill-prepared.
I thought that Aaron Curry proved himself worthy, and that he was flagged unjustly for the helmet/late hit call.
And I now further grasp the need for QBs to work with their receivers on routes and timing. Palmer and corps had no way of being on the same page when it appeared that they were reading from different books!
~'Cat
"RT"...
I beg to differ!!...And bet you would collapse too as I or virtually anyone else would have...Speaking of Palmer here NOT Boller who just SUCKS no matter what the coaches did....
So play a half in his shoes!!!
Let make a comparison situation that prolley most us us could live to some extent:
Most if not all net posters have played the video games to some extent in their lives...Prolley most of us have tried our hand at electronic football is one form or another...So in that arena we be both Coach and "QB" and that's where I'm leading with this...
Lets suppose that you have been one of the top players in some form of football and are now ushered in to play a brand new game that you have never played before...OK...It's still football...
The problem is I'm expecting you to to go against one of the most seasoned players of this game while only allowing you 1 hr per day for 3 days practice to learn all this complicated playbook and get a feel for your players...
OK...Practice is over and it's time to hit the field...Just curios how many of you think you might make a few mistakes and give up the "Int"s in this situation???...But that's not all...
I'm also going to take a few of the players you have been practicing with out...No top "RB"/"K" -n- one of your "WR"s...OUT!!!....Now how do you feel about this competition...But wait there's more!!!..Your only allowed to run 1 out of 5 plays...But that's still not all...
You be penalized by being down 21 pts to start and only allowed 1 half of play....Now how are you feeling about your chances???
Now I'm going to instruct the "Zebra"s to throw the yellow at will taking away a good percentage of your positive plays and handicap your "WR" so they can't catch a pass...Is that it??...Nope!!...Your only allowed to run the same 8 plays this entire game!!!
Well that's exactly the situation Carson Palmer was put in this week...Yes he knows how to play screens and throw that deep ball but the terminology is different and the plays are too...The players are unknown to him and their tendencies...All while an experienced "DC" is throwing everything he has at him...And guess what...Carson only had 4 "OL" protection calls and prolly 6-10 plays at his disposal...How long do you think it took that very experienced "D" to figure out what your set of plays are and be able to recognize them quickly while knowing right where that "Pig" is going...
Now be honest here...Who amongst you thinks you would win in this situation...I know I wouldn't!!!
PantyRaider...NOT A Chance!!!/_
I'm not singling out Palmer. It was a team effort, from the head coach on down.
No excuses for getting shut out by the Chiefs at home. Every time the Raiders fail, it's always accompanied by a litany of excuses.
The day we regularly meet adversity with success instead of excuses is the day we'll know the Raiders are for real.
I totally agree with Raider Take. I was embarassed for the whole RAIDER Organization and all of us in The RAIDER NATION.
I thought we were long gone from the Kiffin era, the time is now, that's we're told, prove it.
what was embarrassing was not only that performance but several camera shots of a halfway empty coliseum midway through the 3rd quarter, not to mention the constant booing throughout the game...
the fans have spoken!
cmon Take... Al died, Boller had a bad day, Carsons still jetlagged... needed an AFC West punch in the nose to get rid of any false swagger and have somethi.g to fight for after the bye. I love our D... lets encourage our gladiators... I Am Entertained! Keep fightin Raiders... the booing fans should just jump ship with their WEAK SMACK fair weather crap.... move to buffalo. OUT.
...the playcalling was freaking playful and irresponsible... run the rock when the QB is a Nu Bee... Basics win... cmon Oak... right on Scorpoio...i agree. Raiderfans.... ugh.
"RT"...
That's total "Bull Shit"...NO team has had to deal with as much adversity as my Raiders these past 3 weeks and we came out of it 2-n-1...Now last I looked that's what "regularly meet adversity with success" is defined by!!!..A winning record despite the death/injuries/zebras/opponents -n- newbies...
You've taken a very ChickenShit approach to adversity as usual...If something doesn't go exactly as you wish it's time to turn on the franchise and start bashin as has been your childish ass approach the past 3 seasons!!!...Nothing new there!!!
OakTownBlues....
Right On Bro...Way to support our team threw any adversity with understanding/love -n- compassion!!...Obviously NOT the gift of every fan!!!..Loyalty is golden!!!
As for the play calling in the 2nd half we were down by 21 with time a factor so abandoned the run...Wish we had stuck to it but that was a coaching decision and I understand that and why it was done...The other factor is that Palmer only had a handful of plays he was familiar enough with to run so what else can be called???...
Within one or two series the "D" now knows your play list and are ready for it...They take photos of every play and digest it while the "O" is out there so their ready when you try to go to it again...It was a situation born to lose!!!
PantyRaider...Kicked In The Balls Is NOT A Death Stroke!!!/_
Panty,
I'll give Palmer a break in this regard.
His 3 picks are at least a little understandable, because, he entered the game down 14 points. and, he has not stepped on football field in over 10 months.
Having said that, I stick by my previous opinion.
By seasons end, it will be clear that Campbell is still best QB Raiders have.
Palmer will prove to ba an expensive, foolish, mistake.
Raider00...
I don't believe!!!
"JC" was almost a non factor his last 3 weeks...Look at the #'s...We can win without him but we can't win with Boller and I posted that well before this game...
"JC" produced 4 scores and 5 "TO"s in his last 2 1/2 games....
Remaining Games: I'll Take Ours Over Theirs....We Have The Edge Here:
"KC"
8 Oct 31 SD @ KC
9 Nov 06 MIA @ KC
10 Nov 13 DEN @ KC
11 Nov 21 KC @ NE
12 Nov 27 PIT @ KC
13 Dec 04 KC @ CHI
14 Dec 11 KC @ NYJ
15 Dec 18 GB @ KC
16 Dec 24 OAK @ KC
17 Jan 01 KC @ DEN
"SD"
8 Oct 31 SD @ KC
9 Nov 06 GB @ SD
10 Nov 10 OAK @ SD
11 Nov 20 SD @ CHI
12 Nov 27 DEN @ SD
13 Dec 05 SD @ JAC
14 Dec 11 BUF @ SD
15 Dec 18 BAL @ SD
16 Dec 24 SD @ DET
17 Jan 01 SD @ OAK
"OakTown"
8 Bye
9 Nov 06 DEN @ OAK
10 Nov 10 OAK @ SD
11 Nov 20 OAK @ MIN
12 Nov 27 CHI @ OAK
13 Dec 04 OAK @ MIA
14 Dec 11 OAK @ GB
15 Dec 18 DET @ OAK
16 Dec 24 OAK @ KC
17 Jan 01 SD @ OAK
It wasn't my intention to make excuses by citing the three key injuries, merely pointing out the odds were stacked against them.
I agree completely that the QB depth chart is a problem that dates back to preseason. Boller proved he's not a qualified backup. (It took Lechler to throw the winning TD against the Browns.)
Ironically, the Raiders now carry 4 QBs on their roster but none capable of bringing a fight to the Chiefs yesterday.
Any hope we had of running the ball down the Chiefs throat diminished with Boller's first pass of the game and even more with every failed possession after.
Once Palmer went in, our only chance was to air it out. We all saw how that went.
Panty,
I disagree.
Consider, arm strength, acuracy, and mobility, and Campbell is superior in all 3 catagories.
He seemed to be running the offense just fine to me.
We were 4-2 with Campbell, and would ahve won the Chefs game as well.
Not really sure what everyone see's in Palmer ?
Palmer is along the lines of Kerry Collins, Vin Testeverde, Drew Bledsoe.
Not worth a kings ransom.
Campbell had become the leader of the offense. As I said before, with some disagreement I might add, Campbell does (did) fairly well to secure the ball and not make mistakes.
That would appear to be a gross understatement based on yesterday's performances by Boller and Palmer.
I believe (because I have to) that Palmer will get up to speed and help the Raiders get back on track. If he turns out to be only marginal, perhaps he can bridge the gap until we get Campbell back.
I hope Jackson figures out some other ways to get Pryor involved.
Simple talent... run the ball and tackle dudes. palmer can throw if needed. and well... dudes got zip. Boller will be the next Vince evans... so cool... this winter the Pats will pay dearly.... .
oaktown's right. palmer can really rifle that ball in there when he needs to...
even with 3 picks, i'd take palmer at qb with only 4 days to work with the team over boller.
if hue didn't want' to play palmer, then why didn't he start pryor?
next year's qb depth chart, palmer, campbell, pryor; in that order.
if not for the picks, we may have won the game 28-14; at the very least 20-14. 3 picks (of the 6) were in the red zone, and that's what hurt us most.
no excuses, we lost, and we lost big. i'm glad for the bye to get healthy. if we lose mcfadden, the league will be introduced to tawain jones. i'm still excited about our team. we are going into the bye with a 4-3 record! let's come back the second part of the season punching faces and taking anything we want, including the super bowl.
i've said it the last 10 years, just prove it, baby; and they are!
Nate75,
QB depth chart next year will not read as you say.
If Palmer is named the starter, Campbell will sign elsewhere.
If Palmer plays badly this season, Raiders will have tough choice to make.
Re-sign Campbell, and admit Palmer was a mistake.
Or let Campbell go, and hope Pryor turns out to be the real deal.
With so much invested in Palmer, Raiders almost have to give him starting QB job, now, and into the future.
Which means Raiders paid a 1 and 2 draft pick, and down graded their QB position.
A terrible, costly, foolish, knee jerk, mistake.
Nice take. I too was very disappointed in Boller's performance. I really thought he'd come in and perform well.
No excuses. Even with Donald Hollas at QB, Raiders should beat that team, especially at home.
I'm not faulting Palmer at all. He was thrown to the wolves a bit. I think he'll be a great acquisition in the end. Just give him time to settle in. He's got an accurate AND a strong arm.
OL bad game was a factor as well. I like Satele but he just gets steamrolled way too often. Wiz is maybe a better option at C, while moving someone else over to LG. Cooper's slow pull on the 4th down wildcat was directly responsible for that failure too.
Lots of missed tackles again, too. That frustrates me more than anything. When a ctach is short of the sticks and a whiff allows for a 1st down. That happened several times Sunday.
Curry did look pretty good though.
Really feel for Campbell. I think he was really coming on. Hope he stays around.
I like the fact that some fans are making excuses but the team isn't.
For the next 4 weeks/3 games needs, Jackson, Palmer, and the team as a whole need to manage the game by limiting turnovers, running the ball, and tackling better.
This 4 week bridge will allow Palmer the time required to get fully up to speed to then transition into a dynamic offense.
It will be interesting to see if Palmer & Jackson can modify their aggressive nature to adjust to the current circumstances.
Raider00..
Come on Bro...You can't pimp arm strength -n- accuracy and "JC" in the same breath!!...He does not have the deep ball and he's off target so much it's remarkable we won at all...He had the receivers like Moore -n- Ford who could adjust and make a big play on the ball...Than the rest could make a play when the ball was close enough to get their hands on it...
What "JC" had is clumsy mobility which got him hurt in that game and he was a master of the "Play Action"....Never seen better...Aside from that he's a below 85 rate passer with lows and peeks that rob him of consistency...
6 games 6 "TD"s -w- 4 Int's -n- 3 fumbles!!!
Last season in 13 games he had 13 "TD"s -w- 8 Int's -n- 9 Fumbles...
So that's consistently who he is...Nothing spectacular...
"A terrible, costly, foolish, knee jerk, mistake."
I'm quite sure Carson Palmer will far exceed anything "JC" has managed to this point in his upcoming 9 starts as a Raider and the bulk of the fans will be praising his name!!!...
As far as being aggressive why back off of that...It's what has led to our winning record...Let Hue be Hue and Palmer be Palmer and flow with it...It's about time we stated attacking instead of the passive crap under Tommy Boy!!!...We have the weapons to go after people and we should do exactly that on both sides of the ball...
If anything the lack of aggression was the "D"s problem this week!!!
PantyRaider...We Are In This Thing!!!/_
HJ Loves CP, believes in him and one bad performance off the back of only a couple of practises isn't going to change that.
The real question has two sides to it. Can Palmer run the same kind of offence that JC did with the same level of success or is HJ going to alter the way the O is playing if he believes CP can offer more? If the later then we may see some more poor games before the offence adjusts around this new game, if indeed they can.
Calico,
"I like the fact that some fans are making excuses but the team isn't."
Good point, but there's no denying the perfect storm of circumstances they were faced with. Not an excuse, just a fact.
Having said that I'm more inclined to put this game off as an anomaly.
The score is very misleading. Offensively and Defensively the game was a near statistical dead heat inspite of the six ints. We had more yards rushing, more yards passing, more tackles for loss, etc.
I think this team is going to come out of the bye with a chip on their shoulder.
We have been looking for a leader to step forward with the receiving corps. Well it may have happened.
DHB, who is having a pretty good year thus far, seems to be the driving force behind the extra sessions with Palmer. The entire group is staying in town this weekend to put in even more work with the new QB. He is even going to host a cookout after the sessions.
Don't get me wrong. I still believe it was a very high price to pay for Palmer. I'm just pointing out the attitude I see. I wouldn't be surprised to hear some of the linemen showed up.
This isn't throwing Campbell under the bus. I personally like Jason. It's the team accepting things for what they are. Which is:
Campbell is out for at least five more weeks.
They are a half game out of first place.
There's a better than even chance they go into the game with the Dolts tied.
Palmer is the guy Jackson feels gives them the best chance to win right now.
DHB has suffered the slings and arrows of the bust label. And, unlike Jamarcus, wants to show his detractors are wrong. So he's stepping up to the plate and providing the veteran leadership role amongst the receivers.
Jason Campbell didn't sit home and sulk. He was on the sidelines talking to all three active Quarterbacks.
It's said what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. I don't think last Sunday killed this teams attitude and spirit sending them back to the abyss of '03 - '09.
Anyway, if I was writing a script or storyline, that's what it would be.
H
"H"...
Nice!!...Brings a smile to my face!!!
Ya know it's really funny...One by one the players who Al Chose and folks didn't want are proving themselves to have been worth the draft picks...
Namndi
Seymour...1st rd 2011
"D-Mac"
"DHB"
"DVD"
The new guy will just do the same:
Carson Palmer....1st 2012 -n- 2nd 2013...
So who will they all jump on next...
One thing for certain...They can bitch -n- bitch -n- bitch but when it comes time to admit they were wrong that subject is no where in sight!!!
PantyRaider...How Many Times Has That Proven True!!!/_
Here Hue is telling ya what I have been saying..."JC" was not playing very well the last 2.5 weeks that he was in...
“That’s a direct correlation to where we’ve been at quarterback lately,” Jackson said. “Once we get more stability there,” (things will be fine.) “The whole offense had kind of dropped off the last couple of weeks.”
Go back to that "NE" game and we have not been the same team sense...
We beat Houston on the strength of our "D" -n- "ST"s and Cleveland as well...Only the run was working well...
-Vs- Houston:
J. Campbell 15/35 190yds 2 TDs Int
Net Yards Rushing 94
Third Down Efficiency 3/15 - 20%
Interception Returns (Number-Yards) 2 - 15
Field Goals (Made-Attempted) 4 - 4
Time of Possession 25:35
-vs- Cleveland:
K. Boller 8/14 100
J. Campbell 6/9 52
Fumbles
K. Boller 2
J. Campbell 1
S. Lechler 1/1 35yds "TD"
Net Yards Rushing 151
Kickoff Returns
J. Ford "TD" 101yds
This week our "ST"s were banged up and didn't produce...The "QB"s were either Born Brain Dead of a newbie...The "D" had their backs to the wall with damn poor field position with an "O" that was producing "TO"s at a rapid pace!!!
It can't get much worse than that!!!
PantyRaider....This "O" Will Be Revived!!!/_
Whoops!!!..This should read:
K. Boller 8/14 100yds
J. Campbell 6/9 52yds
S. Lechler 1/1 35yds "TD"
Jason Campbell has been our best QB performer since Gannon. I will not bash him.
Take,
I'm not going to bash him either. In fact I believe in the reality of the current situation he should be given extra kudos. He was on the sidelines supporting this team five days after surgery.
In fact, I believe if he had not been injured we would be 5-2 and a half game up instead of a half down.
Another stat from the game for the defense. The Chefs had 12 possessions. They punted 7 time and were intercepted twice and scored two TD's. One of the TD's was on a short field after an interception.
The defense played well enough to win.
Panty,
DHB may never be the receiver we wanted considering his draft position. But, I'm going to give him credit for not giving up or giving in. The guy is definitely going to go down swining.
He realizes his success is at least 50% dependent on being in sync with whoever is taking the snaps. He's going the extra mile. It's good for him, it's good for the team. It's leadership.
H
One more thing. It's why I am not overly down yet.
This was not the physical butt whipping the KC papers and fans think it was.
Call it bad karma, perfect storm or whatever. They got lucky. We were hurting at LB and DB. If you noticed we had a lot fewer blitzes than the last two games.
And I still say it was a cheap shot by the Texicans that injured McClain. I think I deleted the recording, but it was very similar to a chop block. Watched it three times. One player had him engaged another came in below the knees. No flag and he was hopping off the field on one leg after the play.
H
i respectfully have to disagree with that take... those are 2 different type of qb's in 2 different eras. at least gannon could carry his team, whereas campbell who may NOW start to show leadership BUT without a legit running game to boost his confidence, he is what i call him: a deer in the headlights.
anyway folks, i think hue jackson should stop playing so many freakin' games both on the field and with the media. 1st on the field: too much trickery/razzle dazzle or whatever it's called. just play football man. simple isn't it?
with the media - it seems to me that this whole week with the trade and mind games he played with them, that this was a major distraction. ok hue, you want blame? you got it! i think this new found power is really getting to this rookie coach's head. all the while they had a game to play against a division opponent which they probably thought they could just show up and win. hue probably hoped to give palmer some mop-up duty in the 4th Q - while we were "comfortably ahead" to get his feet wet as one writer put it.
i would have preferred to lose the game against houston than this division game against the chiefs. how can you get punked like that at home by a last place team? you can't even score three?
which brings me back to my 1st point. he should have kicked a field goal instead of getting greedy with that wildcat play.
this is why mark davis should hire a GM like YESTERDAY! this cannot be a GM that hue likes or picks ie: what happened across the bay with nolan a few years back NO. this must be a legit NFL GM. one that doesn't make crazy ass trades like last tuesday's.
i AM on board with this. i don't have to like it but i AM on board. i just wish someone would bring hue back down to earth.
Yes, I think Hue & Co. have been served a wake-up call. Time to buckle down, stay focused and regroup. Hopefully last Sunday's debacle will serve a purpose in the long run.
"RT"...
Hue is our best "HC"/"OC" sense Gruden/Callahan but your willing to bash him???...
This team is the best team we have fielded sense our "SB" catastrophe but your willing to bash it???
Than of course you did support the hiring of McDamnMules and never bash that!!!..Nor for that matter did you ever bash Todd Haily or Scott Poili!!!...Hum!!...Wonder Why??
Well now I understand that if I post the reality of the stats produced or failed to produce by a player that I'm "Bashing" him...Humm!!...Now lets see how you stand up to your own scrutiny!!!
"H"...
Would you rather have taken Crabtree instead???
As for "JC" I agree completely..I also acknowledge that he has definite limitations...Peeks -n- Valleys in his game that translate to inconsistency...When he went down I posted we can win without him but we can't win with Boller and that this may become a blessing in disguise...Now I believe I'm correct on both accounts which we shall see shortly...
I fully expect our new "O" to be prolific threw the air as well as on the ground as that "Pig" demoralizes the competition!!!...
In fact that's my forecast beginning the 1st Sunday of Nov!!!
Write that one down!!!
Scorpio...
Have to agree with your assessment of "JC"...
I disagree with your assessment of the Carson Palmer deal but your position will prolley change with time...Especially if they be very late 1st rd picks because we made it close to or in the big dance...
Also I disagree on the type of "GM" needed...Very few are out there with real football sense and we don't need someone who just gets in the way because of his over inflated ego...
PantyRaider....Time Will Tell!!!/_
But those who were wrong will scarcely ever acknowledge it...If at all!!!
"Raider00" @ 2:24
Thought I'd add some fact based information to your comment that..
"Palmer is along the lines of Kerry Collins, Vin Testeverde, Drew Bledsoe."
Here is a comparison of career Completion %, TD % and INT %. Keep in mind that C Palmer's numbers INCLUDE last Sunday.
Palmer - 62.8%, 4.8%, 3.2%
Testeverde - 56.5%, 4.1%, 4.0%
Bledsoe - 57.2%, 3.7%, 3.1%
Collins - 55.7%, 3.3%, 3.1%
Gannon - 60.2%, 4.3%, 2.5%
J Campbell - 60.8%, 3.5%, 2.3%
Fact: Palmer has the highest completion percentage compared to the above QB's. Palmer also has the highest TD % as well, while his INT % is higher than most on this list excluding Testeverde.
Having posted this, let me say I was very pleased with Campbell's performance this year as he was protecting the ball. I like how he really took leadership of this team during the offseason and guided us to a winning record so far this year.
I do however, believe that Carson Palmer is a better QB than Jason and will be just fine once he gets his reps and timing with this offense.
It was a steep price to pay, but we needed a QB, and Boller was proof of that last Sunday. Supply & Demand...thats what made us over pay...we had to. Cinci was not going to let him go for a price any of us thought would be fair.
I tend to be a "glass half full" kind of guy and believe that Carson Palmer will be a SOLID QB for our Raiders for several years.
Go Raiders!!
AZ Raider63
Take,
"Losing McFadden was bad, but it's not like Bush, Jones and Company are slouches."
That's one of my basic points. We have to look at this a little differently. This was not the Butt whipping the score would lead you to believe. And I'm not claiming some moral victory.
Yes, the score was embarassing, but the devil is in the details as they say.
Listening to Dan Fouts during the game you would have believed Cassel was was playing like the second coming of Unitas. He was 15/30 for only 161 with two int's. And their run gave only averaged 3.6 per attempt. Well under what we were giving up the first three games.
If Palmer comes out of the bye close to what is advertised, we'll be talking playoffs again.
Panty,
You're reading into my words. I'm saying when a receiver is drafted 8th overall we are looking for him to put up pro bowl numbers. I'm saying he might not do that, but I'm giving him credit for stepping up to the plate, working hard and taking a leadership roll.
Sometimes those attributes are just as important to winning as catching 80 or more passes.
I don't think Craptree would bring that to the table. Neither would Ocho Cinco or TO whom many wanted. They are too self centered.
H
Oh, one more thing... Palmer has the highest QB Rating of the below listed QB's
Palmer 86.3%
Testev 75.0%
Bledsoe 77.1%
Collins 73.8%
Gannon 84.7%
Campbell 82.8%
Just WIn Baby!
AZRaider63
JeBustus Speaks!!...And I have to admit I do believe the dumb bastard!!!..
It just fits Baby!!
http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2011/10/25/jamarcus-russell-talks-with-s-i-about-raiders-career-rumors-life-after-nfl/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+iba_raiders+%28Inside+The+Oakland+Raiders%29
I'm now interested to read the entire posting but prolley will find that difficult from here unless it's posted on-line...
I do believe what he says about Tommy Boy Cable....I also believe about the sleep problems and I also believe that he honestly believes what he's saying is so...Just that his childish perceptions are out of place...
I also believe that he fell into a drug problem because he wasn't mature enough to handle all the death in his life...Shit happens and this cat is like so many others I have known with his fucked up sense of rightness!!!
So now I will speak honestly and just piss everyone off...The dude has tremendous talent and is worth the shot if Hue could get his head straight...NOT this season but in the off season I would love it if the Raiders opened the channels of communication there to see what could happen......
PantyRaider...Talent Is A Terrible Thing To Waste!!!/_
Don't get me wrong, if Campbell puts up the equivalent performance of what the Raiders did on Sunday, I'll bash him for that.
Postgame takes are just that: postgame takes. You stink on Sunday, you're going to hear about it.
But the fact is that Campbell's body of work as a Raider has been the best of any QB since Gannon. So I'm not going to trash him continually and deny his crucial role in the team's resurgence.
He's still our best QB until Palmer proves otherwise.
panty,
well - that's what i meant. IF and i say IF we make the playoffs and beyond, those late 1st rounders won't be such a big loss BUT, that then means they've gotta win and win BIG to swing the value of this trade towards the middle. and i'm not thinking just playoffs. i'm thinking BIG as in superbowl big.
the GM pick would have to be someone who's had experience with the raider way or the al way. someone who doesn't have a big ego but someone smart who knows the organization, knows personnel, scouting, the salary cap, AND can keep the head coach in his place. there were names that were thrown out there when al died, but it doesn't appear that they're gonna find someone with the above qualities, namely the al way. so there may not be a choice but to bring someone in from outside. a big name wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing. better to bring someone in with a big ego (tuna) than someone who doesn't have a clue (mccloughan/niners).
yes campbell has had a good year, and his injury is unfortunate. yes he has taken steps to become a team leader, a good game manager and all that's good. do you guys remember that nfl fantasy file video campbell did? man, when i saw that i was excited! this guy was gonna give us some true hope.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoYbevFvWg8
i am convinced now that campbell is not the QB to win us a superbowl. we don't need just a game manager. we need as hue jackson always says - greatness. especially in the QB position. that's why i say i am on-board with the palmer trade, but the fact that it was an expensive trade puts an exclamation point on winning right now.
but realistically speaking, this team is very young, with some question marks. hopefully as we progress (hopefully progress, not re-gress like last sunday), this team will mature sooner rather than later.
Well this sucks!!!...And someone posted the Jano injury had no effect on the game??...Right!!..Besides not being willing to kick a "FG" we were without depth at a needed position and now are without it long term!!!...That's cause -n- effect if I ever saw it!!!
"Defensive back Ron Parker was waived Saturday to make room onthe 53-man roster for Rayner. On Tuesday, the Seattle Seahawks signed Parker."
We intern dumped Rayner...Now that was a losing transaction!!!
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Quarterback Carson Palmer spent a fair amount of time working on sideline throws to his wide receivers in an attempt to get down their timing.
Palmer’s throws more times than not arrived on target and with plenty of zip. Palmer and the receivers said they intend to get in plenty of extra work during the four off days later this week so that they are in synch for the Broncos game.
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Now I'm telling you we will see a brand new "O" take that field and dominate where "JC" just never could...
PantyRaider...I Smell It In Those Autumn Winds!!!/_
take,
best qb since gannon or not he's gone by year's end. he's a free agent + we didn't give up those 2 1st rounders for palmer to sit on the bench when campbell gets well - if he gets well. if he does, he'll sit while carson plays. he won't risk further injury for free agency.
he'll end up signing with one of the suck for luck teams.
but thank you for your service jason campbell.
don't know if anyone's seen this but this is pretty slick:
kevin boss
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffcboHH45D4&feature=related
panty, i believe joe porter is still available...
Take,
"He's still our best QB until Palmer proves otherwise."
If you compare Campbell's first year with Gannon's they are very close. Taking into account he didn't start every game you have to extrapolate. But, Gannon only completed 59% of his passes, threw 14 interceptions, and the team was 8-8.
Campbell was 7-5 and if you extrapolate his stats over the season they are very close to Gannon's first year and their QB ratings were only two or three points different.
Based on that, how about a show of hands from all the folks who wanted to dump Gannon? You would have to say that the team's potential with Campbell was at least as good as Gannon. Only Campbell was about five years younger.
Statistically speaking, Campbell IS the best QB we've had since Gannon, and his record was 11-7.
I'm all for climbing on the Carson Palmer bandwagon, if he performs. The ball is in his hands now, show us.
Wha I am NOT for is throwing Campbell under the bus even if Palmer is as advertised. The guy helped lift this team from the abyss and for that I am greatful.
H
AZRaider63, Scorpio, Panty,
Al Davis stole Campbell from the Skins for a 4th rounder.
Do you think the Skins would give that pick back today for Campbell ?
I bet they gladly would.
Raiders just traded a 1 and 2 for Palmer.
Do you think they can turn around today and get that same value from any other team in NFL ?
How about just a 1 ? what about just a 2 ? A 3 please.
No takers. Just laughter.
Let's face it, Hue Jackson got mugged by the Bengals.
They knocked him to the ground. Took his wallet, his jewlery, and even his shoes!!!
That's what happens when you make a trade from the position of weakness.
Bengals knew they had Hue over a barrel.
Hue just couldn't walk away from the blackjack table. So he lost his shirt.
I knew we were going to miss Al Davis. I just didn't know it would be this soon, and this profoundly.
Raider00...
Reports are that Miami threw everything at Cincy but they were playing a hard line with Palmer and wouldn't budge...Than reports were that Hue was the only man who could have made that deal...Now I will give you 3 teams that would prolley make that trade...Except they are now in the Luck sweepstakes...
Miami -n- Minn -n- Denver...
Also throw in Atlanta who just lost their "QB"...Detroit is worried about their man because who's behind him...Seattle made a bad one getting Jackson from Minn...
There are so many trading partners out there if Palmer produces it's pathetic!!!
And NO I doubt you could get anything for "JC" in a trade!!!
"H"...
In no way would I even compare "JC" to Gannon...NO comparison when it came to making plays on that field...
Gannon had no hesitation pulling the trigger and was very damn accurate...He was cerebellar and I have never seen that posted about "JC"...Gannon could make something out of nothing and was a dominate player..."JC" will never be...
Look at the "O" Gannon played on his 1st season with the Raiders...Nothing compared with what "JC" had/has...Gannon's 2nd year he exploded...Do you honestly believe "JC" was going to explode if he didn't get injured???
PantyRaider...I Have To Disagree!!!/_
Raider00,
If Jackson walked away from the deal with Palmer saying it was too much, what was our option? What would you have done? Who would you have traded for? Who did you want to lead the Raiders with Jason Campbell on the bench. Just curious. Maybe I missed your earlier posts, but I really would like to hear what you think should have happened.
By the way, I'm not trying to be combative...just wondering what other realistic options we had.
Thanks in advance for your answer
AZRaider63
Raider00,
As for being "mugged" by Cinci, we won't really know until Palmer gets up to speed, which none of us really know for sure if, and or how soon he will.
As I posted earlier, Palmers career stats are good/respectable and better than J Campbell's So, that makes me think he will be ok given the same team to work with.
I know stats aren't everything, but my gut feeling is we will see Palmer produce the way he should for several years.
AZRaider63
Raider00 -
I don't understand why you think Jackson has already "lost the bet" with Palmer.
The Raiders needed a QB. Palmer was the best option. Arguably, proper QB depth was not in place prior to the season. That's not completely on Jackson.
I believe Jackson will get the Raiders back on track. The "bet" is still on the table.
You all are acting as if the QB wins or loses all by himself. Campbell was winning because they had good gameplans, solid O-line play and a good running game. ANYONE who is bashing Palmer or saying that he is a bust because of Sunday, has no clue. He was injected with the game out of reach = other team knowing what is coming, with poor preperation by the HC and not solid line play.
Gannon had weapons, a great O-line and excellent gameplans for most of his games with Oakland. Gannon showed leadership and a will to win with a perfect fit to the style of Offense being used.
Campbell seemed like a good fit, he was just getting in tune with his weapons, but, his #'s show that those around him were just as responsible for wins and improved O play as the QB. Where as Gannon's stats showed he was a bigger part of the O's success at his time.
Palmer had NO CHANCE to succeed last week, that was a dumb move IMO to play him by the HC. He easily could have been injured by being so unfamiliar with the team and play calls. Anyone who is pooping all over the trade just doesn't know that these players are not interchangeable as if they were in a video game. They need time to get up to speed and feel comfortable with the system and players around them.
Palmer may not play his best ball for the Raiders until NEXT YEAR. Those demanding instant results have no clue.
JONES
Raider00,
The only other thing I would say in regards to how much we gave up to get Palmer, is that I personally think the draft is overrated. TV has blown it up into a 2 or 3 day "event" that we all (me included) sit by the TV watching for the next great player to get drafted by our team.
Don't get me wrong, I think the draft is important, however not the only way to build a team.
Without going into every example of a 1st round pick making it or not making it, my opinion is that the draft is a "crap shoot". A first round pick gets paid "a lot" of money without every producing in the NFL.
Carson Palmer is our 2012 1st round draft pick who comes with 7+ years of NFL experience. I posted his stats above, and like I said before, he has proven himself at the NFL level unlike any draft pick we would select...especially a QB given where we would potentially select this year.
I think the Raiders have drafted very well over the last few years, especially in the later rounds. We are one of the youngest teams in the league with at over half of our 22 offensive and defensive starters with 3-4 years experience or less who are contributing to our success this year.
That being said, my opinion (and I'm assuming the Raiders too) is that we can afford to trade our 1st round pick in 2012 for a proven veteran QB.
As far as the 2013 pick, I believe it's WAY to far away to even worry about. Picks will change between now and then via trades etc. Also, we didn't have a first round pick this year and we selected the Wiz in round #2..which was a steal..and saved money compared to a first rounder.
One last thought in regards to Palmer's future production, I do understand your concern about the "return on investment" with him. Unfortunately, we live in a "I Want It Now" world, and like military justice, he is guilty until proven innocent in your mind. No worries, I get it.
As for me, I am basing my opinion on statistical facts for the simple fact that Palmer has posted better career stats than Campbell. Because of that I believe he can perform better than Campbell in the Raiders system.
Although I disagree with your assessment of the Palmer trade, I always enjoy a good discussion with fellow Raider fans.
AZRaider63
Fan since '65
JONES -
I agree with you, as we have plenty of young weapons at our QB's disposal for them to be successful.
In no way do I think Palmer would carry the team on his own this year or next...but I like what we brings to the Silver and Black party.
AZRaider63
To all that like this Palmer trade.
As to what I would have done, i'm already on record.
Would have tried to save season by getting Gradkowski back. If it works, great. If not, I still have my high draft picks.
Just disagree with giving up a kings ransom for a "Drew Bledsoe", type QB.
Are you guys aware that Palmer threw 20 picks last season ?
And I still believe Campbell is the better of the two.
Raiders are not SB ready, even with Campbell.
Raiders need a Center, RT, and a lot of help on defense.
How to improve this team, this off season, with no draft picks ?
If Miami was offering a #1 for Palmer, which could end up being 1st overall pick.
Why did Cincy turn it down ? I don't believe that rumor.
If it's true, Raiders should trade Hue Jackson, & Palmer(since they are so close), to Fish, for 2012 1st rounder(Luck).
I would do that. Bet they wouldn't.
Since there is next to no chance Campbell will ever suit up for the Raiders again, all I can do is applaud his efforts, leadership, and first class character.
With the NFL having so few good, proven QBs, Campbell will join a team where he will be a well paid #1 QB. I wish him the best.
Expecting Palmer to be an elite type QB in the near future is foolish and unrealistic.
This would be how I would break down the goals for Palmer in 2011
Games 8,9,10 -> Take a page from Campbell and be a good leader and game manager. Baby steps aided by a game plan that accounts for Palmer's learning curve and comfort level.
Games 11,12,13 -> Passing attack providing big plays down the field, more dynamic & balanced offense, and Palmer settled, confident, and completely in charge.
Games 14,15,16 -> Palmer & offensive unit hitting on all cylinders and making a strong push for the playoffs
Raider 00 -
Now you want to trade Jackson? Last time we did that we quickly hit a wall that lasted almost 10 years.
Jackson is a tremendous asset to the Raiders right now. Can't you see that, or are you that pissed off about trading for Palmer?
Raider00,
Although I liked Gradkowski coming off the bench for us and winning some games...he is a backup QB at best. Please don't deny that.
Based off of what you said:
"Would have tried to save season by getting Gradkowski back. If it works, great. If not, I still have my high draft picks."
So, if you could not get Gradkowski, you would keep the draft pics...that means you would have been happy with Boller and Pryor as the only QB's on the roster? Sorry bro, that's just stupid.
Yes, I am aware that Palmer threw 20 pics last year...he also threw 26 TD's...on a BAD team!
Gradkowski in his career has thrown 21 TD and 23 INT's.
As a Raider he threw 11 TD's and 10 INT's...and he was your answer to a QB?
AZRaider63
...but, thanks for your reply
AZRaider63
The swagger and mojo of Jackson doesn't go away because he (and the team) had a bad week.
Personally, I love the guy in spite of his flaws because he understands that it is a "what have you done for me lately" league and he is clearly in it to win it.
I will gladly take a Head Coach who believes in his team and aggressively tries to do everything in his power to reach for all the marbles instead of playing not to lose.
Jackson is staying true to himself and has a ton on his plate ... 1st year head coach and de facto GM battling the loss of the owner who hired him and the ghosts of 2003-2009.
I accept that he will make mistakes in his 1st year as our Head Coach. The key is whether he learns from his mistakes, makes the necessary adjustments, and keeps the team focused with the purpose on hand ... winning each time the team hits the field.
Raider00...
What Position Would You Have Gone After In The 1st Rd???
Take a look at what this team has accomplished this season threw trades/"FA"s -n- Sup-Draft....
"QB"s-2...Palmer -n- Pryor...Set!!!
"OLB" Curry...Set!!
"ILB"...Darryl Blackstock...Set!!
"S"s-2..Chinedum Ndukwe-n-Matt Giordano...Should be set!!
"TE"...Boss...Set!!
"WR"..Derek Hagan...Set!!
"OT"..Stephon Heyer...Possible need position...
Plus resigned several key players..."C"/"RT"/"RB"/"DL"/"OLB"/"S"/"CB"....
So now we are a team in position to just be able to plug a player in and keep motoring!!!
What's the glaring need that we won't be able to address in this draft???
As for how Palmer and the Raiders perform out the gate after the Bye I fully expect it to be more dynamic than at anytime with "JC" and said you can mark that down...So Marked...Now we shall see!!!...
Now don't confuse what I'm saying here...I didn't say Palmer would be fully integrated into our "O" and hitting on all cylinders right out the gate...I said "This Team" will be a better team than at any time under "JC"...Simply because with all those weapons and the threat of Palmer's big -n- accurate arm every "DC" will have to play coverage instead of crowding the box like they did when all we had was "JC" who didn't strike much fear in anyone as a passer.....
Palmer has consistently been a 85+ passer but on a very weak ass team with very limited weapons at his disposal...Word is he made those teams NOT that those teams made him...He had to carry them...Now though he doesn't have to carry us and his rate will improve as a result...
On Cincy more often than not he was playing from behind and having to overcome the weaknesses around him on both sides of the ball without protection and consistent support...Just imagine what he can/will be with a supporting cast like he now has in OakTown...
One other factor to this is that 2 weeks from now Palmer comes out prepared with a healthy team facing that Dumb "Mule" and will get a chance to tune-up before he faces real competition...That's Huge!!
Also of note it was Carson Palmer who made Ocho NOT the other way around and now everyone understands that after all the trouble Ocho has had getting it done with Brady...Just imagine what he can do for "DHB"/Moore/Ford/Murphy/Chaz/Hagen/Boss/Ausbeery/Myer/Gordon/"D-Mac"/"TJ"/Bush-n-Reece???...Yikes!!...Did I miss anyone???
On Paper This "O" Now Has Tremendous Potential...
PantyRaider....Just A Matter Of Time!!!/_
This is a smart "Action Jackson":
“Just to create some continuity now, with a new quarterback, his offensive teammates, those guys get to learn him, him get to learn them under the coaches’ watchful eye for a couple of days, then let them go do what they do for three or four days.”
Yes!!...4 mandatory days off but Hue gives them their workload and turns them loose...The new "CBA" can't get in his way because his players believe in him and desire to win...
Even the "RB"s are talking about staying on to keep preparing...Now that's a team effort!!!
Now this is a professional attitude from a man hell bent on winning:
Palmer said playing for most of the second half against the Chiefs is going to help him out a great deal down the road.
“There’s a lot more good than people outside this building would recognize that we’ll learn from and improve on and move on from,” Palmer said.
We already get Reece back...More to follow...
Bruce Campbell is moving to "RT"...Murphy is getting re-acclimated to the game after his huge layoff...Others are working thew their injuries and will be ready including Jano...
Meanwhile that Arron Curry trade is already paying off...We just got an extra 1st rd pick here...#4 overall and showing it...
PantyRaider...This Years "FA" Period Has Been One Of The Best Most Active Ever!!!/_
And some doubted!!!
Holly Fuckin Shit BatMan!!!
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2011/10/25/2514839/okay-there-was-also-video-evidence-but-its-since-been-pulled-hmmmm#comments
Warning: Bending over in the shower could result in being Tebowed!!!
Well Panty, this is where we disagree. I’m not talking about personalities or style of play. But, in a side by side statistical comparison it’s a dead heat between the two. And, Campbell had been a three year starter. Gannon came to the team considered a journeyman backup. He had some starting stints, but had been replaced every time.
In hindsight Gannon looks pretty good. We were just getting to know Campbell. That explosion Gannon had in his second year was 10-6. The exact same pace Campbell was on when he went down. In Campbell’s first 18 games he played he was 11-7, Gannon was 10-8. In a side by side statistical comparison it’s a pick’em. It’s also arguable that Gannon benefited from a better more experienced OL with Lincoln Kennedy, Steve Wisniewski, Barrett Robbins, etc. Not to mention Tim Brown a HOF receiver still in his prime those first few years.
Plus, the statement is Campbell is the best SINCE Gannon, not better than Gannon. Campbell is damn sure better than Collins, Russell and any of the other guys they trotted out in the interim.
This is one where Jones and I are basically on the same page. Campbell was growing with each game it seemed. He had a very good second half against the Texicans after doing squat in the first half along with some solid ST play.
We have to wait and see on Palmer. I think, in the long run, he’ll be a good QB. But two first round picks, or even a first and a second. Color me skeptical on that one.
Calico, I’m pretty much in line with your assessment on Campbell and the team. He is a UFA this year and I expect him to land in Seattle. I know Zach Miller would love to see him. The game Sunday was much closer than the score would indicate. This team should put a massive chip on its shoulder and play like they have something to prove. Because they do.
If they put Campbell on IR they better start seriously getting Pryor up to speed because we are one hit away from needing him and Boller again. And we are out of draft choices.
H
"H"...
I can't argue with those stats...I would never even try...So I concede that statistically to this point it's a wash...But Damn!!!...Gannon had so much more going for him upstairs me thinks and I just have very serious doubts that "JC" was about to get to the same plateau that Gannon was on...
The big difference is that Gannon could carry an "O" with his legs/arm -n- football sense...Game awareness...I just don't see that in "JC"...Instead what I saw was his ornate hesitation which cancelled out many many productive plays...I see him under throw the deep ball and off target repeatedly...I don't remember that about Gannon...
1999..1st season Gannon: "O"-#8
Rich Gannon* 16games 8-8-0 304/515 59.0% 3840yds 24 TDs 14 Ints 240.0yds/game 86.5 Rate 8 Fumbles
200...2nd season: "O"-#3 "PB"er
Rich Gannon*+ 16 games 284/473 60.0% 3430yds 28 TDs 11 Ints 214.4 yds/game 92.4 Rate 9 Fumbles
2010...1st season: "O"-10
Jason Campbell 13 Games 194/329 59.0% 2387yds 13 TDs 8 Ints 183.6yds/game 84.5 Rate 9 Fumbles
2011...2nd season..."O"-#12
Jason Campbell 6 games 100/165 60.6% 1170yds 6 TDs 4 Ints 195.0yds/game 84.2 Rate 3 Fumbles
What stands out is that Gannon raised his rate from an 86.5 his 1st season to a 92.4 and the "PB" in his 2nd season..."JC" was just the same old "JC"...The other thing that stands out is that under Gannon our "O" was ranked much higher than with "JC"....But of course there are several other factors here to equate this properly but I would still pimp Gannon as a much better "QB" than "JC" will ever be...Could just be circumstance but I just don't see it...
Conversely I will wager (LoL) that under Carson Palmer our "O" rank climbs the board significantly by season's end...
PantyRaider...Well "H" I Guess We Will Just Sorta Disagree!!!/_
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/rai/1999.htm
"i think he's found his favorite target"
http://www.youtube.com/user/thatboywhite#p/u/0/Cy4NWBQ4p-k
Is this what they mean by "Lip Sink"???
Jones,
I'm not pooping all over the trade. I'm just a bit skeptical of the price paid.
Maybe the stipulation should have been Super Bowl instead of AFC title game. And maybe a third rouder escalating to a second instead of a second to a first.
In all honesty a first rounder period should have been sufficient.
So this spring we have no first. Our third was for Pryor and that's worth the gamble.
As for a quarter back winning all by himself, I agree on that point. But, folks in Indy might have a different opinion. Truly no one is stepping up there.
H
It's being reported that many, if not most, of the players are staying around Oakland and plan to work out and practice at the facility. Including film room work.
This, even though coaches are prohibited from being involved.
These guys are serious. I hope the fans show up at a sellout on November 6th.
H
Maybe they could also slip down the 101 toward San Diego. The Dolts are having trouble selling out this season.
H
"H"...
Can you imagine anyone from that "06" Shell II team committing like these players are???..Or most of those squads during our period on the rocks???
You can still feel it in the air...That autumn wind carries the spirit of Al Davis and it ushers them forward and on to "V"....I fully expect it!!!....
One reason I'm pimping Carson Palmer's reawakening -n- ultimate comeback leading us down that "V" lane...
PantyRaider...It's A Special Time!!!
What makes Carson Palmer successful:
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It's important to note that until the middle of last week, Palmer had no idea he'd be playing for any team. After he reportedly demanded a trade from the Bengals, the team decided to do nothing instead, essentially making him a retiree. Finally, the Bengals traded him to the Raiders for draft picks. "Show me a player who can get off up the sofa and can jump into an NFL game," Wilcots says.
Last season, Palmer threw for an impressive 3,970 yards and 26 touchdowns and completed 61.8% of his passes. The biggest knock on him was his 20 interceptions, the third-highest in the league. But a look at the tape of those interceptions shows Palmer's picks weren't entirely his fault: Nine came on plays where there was an apparent misunderstanding about what route his receiver was supposed to run. (Wilcots, a former player for the Bengals, says it's been an open secret in Cincinnati that Palmer's numbers have suffered because of receivers who haven't fully grasped the playbook.)
During Sunday's game, one of Palmer's best plays was an incomplete pass in the fourth quarter. On a second and 10, with Palmer lined up in shotgun with three receivers, Kansas City ran a disguised blitz and sent six men after the quarterback. Palmer took three steps back, set his feet and in less than two seconds, launched the ball 34 yards to receiver Louis Murphy. The ball, which was slightly overthrown, hit Murphy's left hand and fell to the turf.
On paper, it was another incomplete pass. But what's important to NFL coaches is that Palmer quickly made the right read and that his receiver had a chance to make a play. It's the kind of throw that Tebow hasn't shown he's capable of making in the NFL—at least not with that kind of pressure.
On another fourth-quarter play, Kansas City ran a safety blitz up the middle. It was the same kind of play that led to two Tebow sacks on Sunday. Palmer read the blitz, knew where the open guy was going to be and released the ball in 1.5 seconds. Murphy was hit in the numbers with a perfectly thrown ball. Again, he dropped the pass.
Another thing to note: While one of Palmer's interceptions resulted from a bad read of the defense, another came off a tipped pass that had been thrown on target. The third was the result of a miscommunication between Palmer and one of the receivers he just sat down with for the first time last week.
Wilcots says Palmer should be able to ease nicely into Oakland's offense, which is similar to the West Coast offense USC ran when Palmer won the Heisman Trophy there. It revolves around the running game and play-action passes and is significantly less complicated than the one run by Cincinnati last season.
Palmer has shown the ability to dissect a defense, monitor up to five passing routes and release the ball—in less than two seconds. The same can't be said for Tebow, who probably won't be able to drastically change his passing ability this season.
NYRaider,
Well, i was kinda joking about trading Hue.
But c'mon. If we could get Andrew Luck for Hue, & Palmer, you gotta be tempted. LoL
But that's all pie in the sky.
AZRaider63,
Yes, I realize Gradkowski is a backup.
But there is a big difference between Boller, and Grad.
Grad can win some games for us. Boller should be washing cars somewhere.
Grad would have come much cheaper then Palmer. and Grad already knows much of Hues offense.
All we needed was for Grad to win 4 out of 6 games, and hope Campbell could make a quick recovery. Like I said, try to save the season.
And what if Raiders could not get Grad ?
I would have played Pryor. He's the QB of the future, right ?
Well maybe the future is now.
I'm seeing what Cam Newton is doing as a rookie. So yeah, take a chance on Pryor.
At worst, Pryor plays poorly, and Raiders lose most games.
But, Pryor would gain some experience, and losing record is off set by still having #1 and #2 picks.
I'm sorry you find this such a stupid idea. But that's life in the NFL.
When your starting Qb goes down, sometimes you're screwed. Just have to suck it up, and live to fight tomorrow.
But I do not endorse, this "smart" plan the Raiders have choosen.
We now have # 1, 2, and 3 picks, invested in QB's Palmer and Pryor.
While our best QB, IMO, Campbell, is being pushed out the door.
I cannot make sense of this.
Have not posted in a long time -could not stand the in house bickering.
This is a must read:
http://www.insidebayarea.com/mark-purdy/ci_19186299
Going to Minnesota for the game.
Raider 00 -
My view on the Palmer trade is that Hue's existing relationship and trust in Palmer was the deciding factor.
For the most part, Palmer was a very good QB on a very bad team. He has the physical tools, experience, and ability to lead this team.
It was a risky trade but has the potential upside to provide a solid 3 year window for the Raiders to make the playoffs and advance in the playoffs.
Although this season has much uncertainty and unchartered waters to navigate with a QB who will need to quickly get up to speed, I'm excited about seeing what this team can accomplish in 2011 and beyond.
Assuming Palmer progresses, stays healthy, and the young players develop, a 2012 season with a full training camp and an established QB at the helm is an exciting prospect.
Personally, I think was at best a temporary band-aid with no upside. Come 2012, we would be looking at Pryor and Ski as our QBs with the need again to address the problem.
With the trade consummated, Campbell on his way out, it makes no sense to discuss Ski as a worthy option for the dilemma.
should read:
Personally, I think Ski was at best a temporary band-aid with no upside.
"Come 2012, we would be looking at Pryor and Ski as our QBs with the need again to address the problem."
**********************************
CJ,
I agree to an extent.
Trading for Grad would have been a bandaid, but perhaps a bandaid was all that was needed.
Raiders also would have had the option to re-sign Campbell at seasons end.
That option is out the window with Palmer on team.
And the upside ? 2012 QB's, Campbell as starter. Grad as backup. Pryor, QB of future, waiting in wings.
Plus, still have #1 and #2 picks to continue to build up team.
As it stands now, 2012 QB situation is, Palmer, de facto starter. Pryor bumped up to #2 backup. Boller, holding a clipboard, taking up space.
All this, and no picks to improve team in off season. Sounds like a big downside to me.
Raider00 -
I now understand your thought process with the Gradkowski trade scenario. However I do think Palmer will prove his worth later this year, and to CJ's point, he will be very solid next year.
Regarding your last statement:
"All this, and no picks to improve team in off season. Sounds like a big downside to me."
As I stated in an earlier post, there are definitely more ways to build a team than just via the "crap shoot" draft. We have LOTS of young talent (that we drafted in later rounds) over the past two years, and that is why (IMHO) we can afford to use those pics on a proven, veteran QB that should be solid for the next few years.
I do agree with you that Pryor is our future QB, but I don't think he is even ready to be handed the team, even in a temporary role while Campbell gets healthy.
The difference between him and Cam Newton, is that Cam was working with his team since the season started while Pryor has only had 2 or 3 weeks (I think) working with the team. His limited playbook would be no better than what Palmer had to work with last Sunday.
Later guys,
Go Raiders!!
AZRaider63
Raider00...
Your crying about the picks but your also not understanding the reality here...It's called "Compensatory Picks" and we be inline for a few 3rd rd or later for the loss of Galery/Zack -n- Namndi as "FA"s with huge contracts as high 1st rd picks...
We never replaced those bodies...Palmer -n- Curry came via trade for picks so don't count against that formula...We have already paid the picks for them so will reap the picks for the 3 lost vets...Boss was not a 1st rd pick and has a small salary so he doesn't upset the formula nor does either "S" we signed...
It's been speculated this could be as high as 3 3rd rd picks or 2 3rds -n- 5th-or-6th and we do very well in those rounds....
You also failed to address my question...What position are you targeting with those lost picks??...What's going to be your huge need here???...Why is not having a 1st-2nd going to derail our progress if we have those 3rds???
Also if Palmer produces and we win those would all be very late rd picks...Like maybe #29/30/31/32....
PantyRaider...I Would Welcome That Adversity For The Reality Of "V"!!!/_
The trade for Arron Curry is already paying off and will no doubt continue to do so...
http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders/ci_19202860
I'm quite positive that's not the only big name trade that will pay very high dividends this season and on into the future...
PantyRaider...Carson Palmer Will Ignite A Flame That That Burns-Burns-Burns!!!!/_
Raiders 0-8 in their last 8 games after the bye week. NFL teams are 3-9 in games after bye weeks this year.
There's some frightening stats.
Next week will be time to kick it up a notch!
This is a Palmer radio interview worth listening to...Enjoy...
http://bit.ly/s6t4je
NYR...
Playing The Denver Tebows should make this trait go away...They be 2-n-5 for a reason and the only reason they beat the has been Miami Fish is the lack of heart and desire left in that team...
This game is NOT one to worry about...That stat climbs to 4-n-9...
Raider00,
“All this, and no picks to improve team in off season. Sounds like a big downside to me.”
I agree in some ways. There is no denying the potential of the team with Palmer at QB. We were showing big potential with Campbell also before the injury. To quote Yoda, “Unfortunate it is.”
One of the things I did like from Palmer was his quick release. One of the hallmarks of the elite quarterbacks is a quick release. Brady, Manning and now Rogers. I’m not putting Palmer in the elite category, just pointing it out.
I’m all for winning now, but let’s do it in a way that doesn't leave the cupboard bare in three to five years. We’ve been there and done that.
Now, Jamarcus Russell is claiming some of his problems were due to sleep apnea and he couldn’t get any support from the team. Not buying into it. If that were the case he should have stayed off the codeine, gotten a sleep study done and bought a CPAP machine. He could certainly afford one. I’m not saying he doesn’t have apnea, but codeine can suppress your breathing. Combine that with apnea and you have big problems. Plus apnea is treatable.
The other thing about apnea is it is generally first noticed or detected by a spousal unit or someone else in the bed or room while you are sleeping. It should be 100% verified by a sleep study to see how involved it is. There are multiple treatments for it that can include surgery.
It wouldn’t surprise me if 25% or more of the offensive and defensive linemen in the league have apnea to one degree or another. The heavier you are the more prone you are to having it. Just another crutch for him.
If any of you guys suspect you may have apnea, get a sleep study done. It can cause significant health problems because you stop breathing for short periods which lowers the amount of oxygen you take in while sleeping. I got checked and, fortunately, it’s not included in my list of maladies. I just snore on occasion.
And, that my friends, is my medical info block for this week. Like I said, I’m not a doctor but I pretend to be one on the internet.
H
"H"...
I have suffered from Apnea ever sense puberty...It strikes every time a cute chick walks by and gives me that wiggle with a smile...The breath stops!!!...
LoL!!...Living here in Thai/Khmer it's really a problem because I actually get those winks!!!
"Jaba the Hut" was always falling asleep in the movie so it appears to be true!!!
PR - for the very reason you cite to not worry is the reason I am worried.
I believe the Raiders will need to leave everything they have on the field in order to beat Denver next week, or else face another KC-type result.
To be certain, the Broncos aren't going to roll over, and Tim Tebow is an intense competitor. Whether or not any of us think he's a good QB doesn't change that fact.
NYRaider,
I'm basically with you on this one. Except I am encouraged on two fronts.
First, a significant portion of the team is staying in Oakland to work out and get their timing down with Palmer.
Second, if anyone knows how to contain and keep Teabow under wraps it is Rolando McClain. You need big, strong linbackers who can run (Yeah, I know, every team would like that). We have McClain and now Curry. We also have Houston, a fast 300 pound DE.
The first time they played across from each other Tebow won. The second time McClain beat on him like a rented mule and made him cry. I'm sure he will be cousulted in the defensive meetings. Many of Tebow's dendencies from college are probably still there. His mechanics are still the same and they have been trying to change those for about 18 months now.
It's not a guarantee, but it gives one optomism.
H
"NYR"...
Did you follow their game at all...Pathetic!!!...Tebow was pathetic and the whole damn team was pathetic against a very weak Miami team...Than late in the game up 2 scores Miami went to sleep...Prevent or whatever they played was horrid and Tebow finally made a few decent plays with the bad still mixed in...They got the onside kick and scored a 2nd time and got the ball again is "OT"...I'm telling you it looked like Miami was laying down so they could win that Luck sweepstakes...They certainly had NO heart to play to the finish!!!
If we play like that than we deserve to lose but it won't be because we were over matched...Not in The least....
Power Rank #11 -vs- #25 Exaggerated!!!
PantyRaider...We Have So Much More On Our Plate That They Shouldn't Even Be A Consideration!!!/_
Lets see what they got's against that "Big Cat" Sunday!!!
Tim Tebow: Career Stats...
Passing:
58/119 48.7% 894yds 8 TDs 3 Ints 85.9 Rate
Rushing:
59/323yds 5.5yd ave 7 TDs 2 Fumbles
The "Big Cat" Will Get After The "QB"...
Looking at this week the key game is "SD" @ "KC"...One will fall and that's good new for the Raiders...But which one???
If you look at this match-up "KC" has no business on the same field but when you look at how Phillip Rivers has been playing it gives "KC" all the hope in the world...
9 Int's -w- 4 Fumbles to 8 TDs...14 Sacks 76yds....Not very good with his 82.3 Rate this season...
He still completes 64.7% for 1,715yds but has lost his consistency...Can "KC"s "DB"s take him down???
I have a feeling "SD" loses and are subsequently in a 3-way tie for the AFCW...Than a short look at the remaining schedules and we do have the clear advantage...
This 6 game streak will destroy "KC":
11 Nov 21 KC @ NE
12 Nov 27 PIT @ KC
13 Dec 04 KC @ CHI
14 Dec 11 KC @ NYJ
15 Dec 18 GB @ KC
16 Dec 24 OAK @ KC
"SD"
9 Nov 06 GB @ SD
10 Nov 10 OAK @ SD
11 Nov 20 SD @ CHI
12 Nov 27 DEN @ SD
13 Dec 05 SD @ JAC
14 Dec 11 BUF @ SD
15 Dec 18 BAL @ SD
16 Dec 24 SD @ DET
17 Jan 01 SD @ OAK
"...Than late in the game up 2 scores Miami went to sleep...."
That's how an intense competitor with marginal talent can beat you. It's his M.O. He sneaks up on you.
Excuse me for saying, but we are not so different than the Dolphins at the end of their game against the Broncos, e.g., we almost allowed the Browns to do the exact same thing to us, and we did allow the Bills to do it.
I'm just saying, it might take all our concentration and effort to avoid a letdown. The Raiders should expect to play every game with the level of intensity they needed to beat Houston, Jets, etc.
Panty,
Yes, Raiders will get some compensation picks for losing, Gallery, Nnamdi, and Miller.
But league loves to screw Raiders. Just because Al is dead, don't expect that to change anytime soon.
So can't really count on these picks until we offically have them.
As for what I would have used lost picks for, I believe I did answer.
Raiders need to improve defense. Also need long term answers at center, and right tackle.
Raider 00 -
C - Wiz
RT - B Campbell or Barksdale (eventually)
Perhaps the G positions are of some need, but you don't need to draft high to find talent at G.
Not sure where you see glarring needs on defense.
Aaron Curry was once out of our reach in the draft and now he's a Raider.
I believe we have some young talent in the secondary that will only get better.
Plus, Jackson has proven he will shuffle free agents in and out on a need basis and without hesitation.
Sure it would be nice to have the draft picks but we had a more important need.
Whether Palmer does good or bad, I applaud Jackson for the trade. There were no better options, IMO.
00, no offense (pun intended) but I don't remember you complaining this much about JaMarcus Russell.
NYRaider,
It looks like Wiz has settled in at LG, the position his father played.
I really don't think the Raiders will move him from that spot.
Bruce Campbell is in his 2nd season. If he had the skills to play RT, I think he'd be in there by now.
Barksdale ? who knows ? He's raw, so we'll have to wait and see.
You don't see any glaring needs on defense ?
What about the 2nd half collapse against the Bills ?
The several, time chewing drives yielded to the Pats ?
And, as you said yourself, almost blowing the Browns game ?
You can never have enough talent on defense.
And, while it's true the draft is a crap shoot. It's the only way to find a Lawrence Taylor, Reggie White, or a Jack Tatum.
Impact players that elevate the D from good, to greatness.
Jbusto and Palmer situations are apples, and oranges.
Raiders did not give up kings ransom to move up and draft jbust.
Raiders 'earned" pick by losing 14 games.
On other hand, Raiders gave up small fortune to unretire Palmer.
I have compared Palmer to Kerry Collins, Testeverde, and Drew Bledsoe, and I'm not trying to insult Palmer with these comparisons.
Testeverde reached a championship game in his career. And Bledsoe & Collins each made it to a SB.
They were all good QB's. Not great ones.
I just don't think Raiders should give up #1 and #2 picks unless they get a great QB in return.
I'll say again. Raiders now have #1,2,3, picks invested in Qb's, Palmer and Pryor.
And I think J. Campbell is still the best QB on the roster.
Yikes!!...This Sounds Bad!!!
SAN DIEGO -- San Diego Chargers Pro Bowl left guard Kris Dielman, who suffered a seizure on the flight home Sunday after sustaining a concussion in a loss to the New York Jets, will miss Monday night's game at Kansas City and at least the Green Bay game after that, according to The San Diego Union-Tribune.
Sources, though, told the newspaper that the flight incident was "violent" and "scary." An ambulance met the plane and took Dielman to the hospital.
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The San Diego Chargers placed linebacker Larry English on the injured reserve list Wednesday, officially ending his season due to a broken left foot.
3rd NFL Season:
The former first-round pick has 2 sacks this season, both against the Miami Dolphins. He played sparingly in last Sunday's loss to the New York Jets.
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We're not the only ones out west going threw the injury bug...Now the table is set for "KC" to get after these guys and knock them down!!!...But can they???
Sucks!!...During this Bye I'm looking at these Suck-Asses at a loss for my Raiders!!!
PantyRaider....Com'on 3-Way Tie!!!/_
Raider00...
The quality players you seek are depleted very early in the 1st rd..."DT"s/"DE"s/"OT"s/"CB"s/"OLB"s are a premium and most of the losing teams who pick high are also in need of them...
Many of the "C"s/"G"s/"S"s/"ILB"s can be had late in the 1st or into the 2nd rd unless exceptional prospects....
If we win that 1st rd pick will be at #29-32...Fat chance of striking Gold at that point....And if we needed that top "QB" prospect in 2012 how would we get him and at what cost to move up??...Than for a developmental player who prolley won't contribute to a winning season his 1st year...Look how long it has taken Cam to post his 1st win...
Look at that kid out of Nevada that many were so high on...What has he been able to do for his 49ers???
I really like this trade and it gives us the opportunity to move forward and win now and that's what I'm wanting...The legitimate opportunity to compete NOW!!!
PantyRaider...NOT The Hope Of Something Later!!!/_
Raider 00 -
Russell was the top pick in the draft, as you point out, and he cost the Raiders $40 mil guaranteed and three years of misery.
By all comparisons, Palmer is a relative bargain.
"BR"-n-"H"...Did you see this??
Former Raiders owner Al Davis died of heart failure
The document revealed that 82-year-old Allen Davis died at the Oakland Airport Hilton at 2:45 a.m. on Oct. 8 from congestive heart failure, cardiomyopathy (a heart muscle disease) and ventricular fibrillation (an abnormal heart rhythm). He suffered a ventricular fibrillation just 15 minutes before his death. The death report said his heart began to fail 24 hours before his death, likely from five years of living with heart disease.
PantyRaider...Now We Know!!!/_
Forgot the url...
http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders/ci_19216839
"DHB"...Corkran Notes That He's Making A Splash And Than Down Talks His Stats Compared To Another "WR"
But they fail to consider who was throwing him that “Pig”???…“DHB” has had to deal with the likes of “JeBustus”/Frye/Boller/Ski/“JC”…Never a consistent passer who could get that “Pig” on time on target…Now lets see how he looks playing with a real life “QB” with zip threw the air and normal accuracy…My won’t that be something to observe!!!
Tebow is about to have his ass handed to him by Detroit's front 7...If he survives than we get to finish the job next week...Really looking forward to that game but for now having some fun jabbering with the Detroit fans and Tebow jokes!!
Never have a seen so little pimped so high in the NFL...Talk about over blown ego...That takes it!!!
PantyRaider...Go "Squaw"s!!!/_
Tebow 1:1....Oh! Lord Why Have You Forsaken Me To The Lions??
Can't wait to finish dismantling that phoney this week in our house!!!
Lions played "M-M" coverage and than crowded the box against the "Donkey" to shut them down...They said Tebow can't read a "D" and has no ability to his his targets so they didn't worry about giving up the big play...Only the run was a legitimate threat...
They never made good stats until garbage time against the back-ups...Otherwise they totally sucked...Now I just hope the idiots in "MuleHigh" stick with the bum so we can have fun too...Ortin would be a legitimate threat to spoil are party...
PantyRaider...Let The Smack Down Begin!!!/_
"The Raiders reportedly worked out receiver T.J. Houshmandzadeh and will give him a physical on Tuesday.
"This is a sign the Raiders are going to do all they can to make new quarterback Carson Palmer comfortable. Palmer and Houshmandzadeh played together for several years in Cincinnati. Oakland coach Hue Jackson was Houshmandzadeh’s position coach in Cincinnati.
"Palmer and Houshmandzadeh worked out together this fall. So, as the Raiders are giving Palmer a crash course in their system, they are apparently considering giving him a security blanket.
"Still, Houshmandzadeh has declined steadily and I’m not sure he’s better than any of the six receivers on Oakland’s roster, so other than giving Palmer a comfort level, I don’t think signing Houshmandzadeh would be overly significant."
This would really SUCK!!!
Broncos | John Fox won't commit to Tim Tebow
Mon, 31 Oct 2011 06:46:28 -0700
Denver Broncos head coach John Fox said following Week 8 he has yet to commit to QB Tim Tebow as his starting quarterback for Week 9. Tebow struggled in Week 8. "It's too early to say," Fox said. "I haven't even had a shower yet, let alone look at the tape. We've definitely got to get better."
Com'on!!...Just Play That "AniMule"!!!
Broncos | Three injured in Week 8
Sun, 30 Oct 2011 21:10:57 -0700
Denver Broncos SS Quinton Carter (concussion), OT Orlando Franklin (groin) and CB Cassius Vaughn (hamstring) suffered injuries in Week 8 against the Detroit Lions.
If you look at this match-up "KC" does not belong on the same field as "SD" and yet many believe "KC" will win???
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2011103100/2011/REG8/chargers@chiefs#menu=gameinfo&tab=analyze
I give them a good chance and hope for it...3-way tie would be nice to coming out of our bye...
"KC" will never survive this:
11 Nov 21 KC @ NE
12 Nov 27 PIT @ KC
13 Dec 04 KC @ CHI
14 Dec 11 KC @ NYJ
15 Dec 18 GB @ KC
16 Dec 24 OAK @ KC
We Than have 2 shots at taking "SD" down...
PantyRaider...Me Like's Our Chances!!!/_
Raiders sign Lito Sheppard
today, filling the roster spot vacated by Rayner.
So Now That's Another "FA" Added To That Very Long List Of Activity This Season Just As I Said It Would Be!!!
KC's schedule is a major hurdle for sure. Let's hope they beat SD tonight and we can regroup with Palmer next week.
Wasn't Sheppard on our roster earlier and Jackson released him?
That may be an advantage to bringing him back, and why Jackson did it.
NYR...
Yes...I thought he played well in preseason...We need healthy bodies...
Word is we also bring in T.J. Houshmandzadeh who played with Palmer and practiced with him all off season...
OK, the AFC West Division is officially and completely up for grabs.
The next 9 weeks will settle it.
Most importantly, the divisional games are huge.
The Raiders have 4 key divisional games, 2 "must win" games vs. very beatable teams in Minn. and Mia, and 3 tough out of conference opponents (Chi, GB, Det).
The division is there for the taking ... will the Raiders seize the opportunity with 2 hands firmly grasped upon it?
We need to go 6-3 (or better) to gain a possible berth in the playoffs.
The playoff contenders:
New England (5-2)
Buffalo (4-3)
NY Jets (4-3)
Pittsburgh (6-2)
Baltimore (5-2)
Cleveland (5-2)
Houston (5-3)
Tennessee (4-3)
Oakland (4-3)
San Diego (4-3)
Kansas City (4-3)
11 teams vying for 6 spots ... it is looking like if the Raiders want to gain a playoff berth, it will take winning the division outright with conference records and divisional records playing a big part of the deciding factor.
The best and most solid way of winning the division is clearly winning the majority if not all of the 4 remaining division games.
Each divisional game poses it's own unique challenges:
Step 1: Rebound and play a solid game vs. Denver. Nothing should be taken for granted
Step 2: Win a tough, critical game on the road vs. SD after a short week.
Step 3: Win a playoff like game in week 16 on the road vs. KC, arguably one of the most difficult road venues.
Step 4: Win a playoff like game at home vs. S.D. to close out the season.
It is all in front of us. The Raiders destiny is in their hands.
Time to buckle up.
We have the inside track and it's a very fast track...Just look at our speed!!!
Neither team looked worth a crap Monday Night...It was losing ugly by all account but someone had to win so the "Squaw"s stepped up...
But now one look at the 3 schedules and it's very apparent we have everything in our favor now...All we have to do is play like we want it and earn it...
This is such a special season I have little to no doubt that we will take control and march into the "PO"s...
PantyRaider...It's Now Ours To Lose!!!/_
Note:
Tebow will start and Quin will prolley back him up....
correction on Buffalo's record ... should read (5-2) vice (4-3)
CJ
Week #9...The Match-Up: Raiders -vs- Tebowncos...."O"-vs-"D"....
"O"-#12.................."D"-#20
Passing-#23..............Pass-#19
Rushing-#2...............Rush-#17
Scoring-#18..............Scoring-#30
"OL"-#1..................Sacks-#12 Tie
.........................Int's-#28
"D"-#25.................."O"-#27
Pass-#25.................Passing-#30
Rush-#16.................Rushing-#8
Scoring-#25..............Scoring-#23
Sacks-#18 Tie............"OL"-#24
Int's-#16 Tie
Raiders | Carson Palmer has grasp of offense
Mon, 31 Oct 2011 20:09:44 -0700
Oakland Raiders QB Carson Palmer has a much better grasp of the offense than he did when thrust into action in Week 7 against the Kansas City Chiefs. "Does he totally understand the tempo and speed of the game?" head coach Hue Jackson said. "Maybe not. But he understands, get that ball out of his hand, I guarantee you that."
Raiders | Carson Palmer looks sharp in practice
Tue, 01 Nov 2011 05:28:37 -0700
Oakland Raiders head coach Hue Jackson said QB Carson Palmer looked really sharp in practice Monday, Oct. 31, and did some really good things.
Raiders | Lito Sheppard to play in Week 9
Tue, 01 Nov 2011 05:15:47 -0700
Oakland Raiders CB Lito Sheppard said he expects to play anywhere between "five snaps to 30 snaps, depending on what the situation calls for" in Week 9.
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Now that I have returned from my annual fall sojourn to the mountains with the lovely Mrs. H, it’s time to talk football. We had the confluence of both college and pro teams having a bye week at the same time this year.
By the way, the view from the hot tub at the cabin was worth the price of admission.
Looking at the schedule we have a legitimate shot at a run of 5-0 or 4-1 in the next five weeks before going to the Frozen Tundra in December. After that it’s Detroit at home then the revenge game against the Chefs, closing at home against the dolts. In that stretch the Cheeseheads is the toughest game.
Reasonable expectation is 6-3 during that period with an outside shot at 7-2. The former should get the playoffs, the latter the division.
All that is barring injury difficulties. I’m not a fan of playing on Sunday then traveling for a Thursday night game. Although the Dolts should have gotten beat up by the Cheeseheads on Sunday before. It’s just not a lot of time to rest and heal. But, if we take it, then it’s almost like having a bye week to get ready for visiting the Horned Helmets.
I haven’t read anything in the last five days, so I don’t know what the injury situation is or how the extra time the receivers spent with Palmer came out. This is just based on looking at the schedule and the Dolts losing to the Chefs.
H
question for you folks:
if tj houshmanwhatshisname gets signed... who do you think gets cut?
i say porcelain doll schilens. FINALLY. dude hasn't gotten much playing time and since al's gone, he's no longer on scholarship.
we need veteran production out of that spot, NOT someone who's always on IR with a broken nail. a 34 year old houshmanwhatshisname gives us some immediate production, familiarity with palmer and that valuable veteran leadership...
Unfortunately, Schilens has not worked out for the Raiders. He is far too injury-prone. They don't have much invested, and Housh won't cost much either.
It's a good swap, IMO.
11/01/2011 Signed WR T.J. Houshmandzadeh
10/31/2011 Signed CB Lito Sheppard
Prolley will cut Tonga or possibly put "CJ" on "IR"...
"H"...
I posted some info on Palmer above...He's looking sharp in practice and getting a good grasp of this "O"...
Take a look at "KC"s schedule...They can'r hang...No Way and "SD" also has it tougher than us...We already played one of the roughest parts of the schedule...Buff/Jets/"NE"/Hou/"KC" winning 2 of 3 but with "V"s against Clev/Den and soon to add another against Denver...
PantyRaider...It's Really Heating Up Now!!!/_
we are becoming the oakland bengals...
$500k for 9 games for TJH is a low risk move and adds a potentially nice slot WR to move the chains.
The Raiders schedule looks favorable in comparison to SD and KC's respective schedules but ...
no matter how you slice & dice it, the Raiders need to get back on track and sustain a level of consistency.
The beauty of the NFL is the competitive nature from week to week or the "on any given Sunday" proposition.
Regardless of whether the Raiders are playing Denver at home where we will be favorites to win or GBay on the road where we will be playing the best team in football, each game is unique, unpredictable, and can never be taken for granted.
yes like they did to the chiefs...
King: Tebow won't be Broncos' starting QB by Jets game...The Mighty Quinn Coming Soon!!!
Add Sports Illustrated senior writer Peter King to the growing list of Tim Tebow’s doubters.
“The biggest thing the Denver Broncos need to do at the end of this year is to sit in a room and say ‘Kyle Orton — out, Brady Quinn — in as a backup, Tim Tebow — we’ve got to trade him or try to get something for him’ or whatever it is they decide. They need to decide something going forward about their future at quarterback.”
Fox Sports reporter and NFL Network contributor Jay Glazer called Tebow “a running back who can throw, not a running quarterback.” Glazer also said the Broncos revamped their entire offense last week to a more college-style offense disguised as a pro-style offense to fit Tebow’s strengths.
Tailor-built offense still wouldn't solve Tebow's problems...Start Running The Prayer "O"!!!...LoL!!
“Mechanically, he’s just so unconventional,” said the personnel exec. “He’s a thrower, not a passer, and he has a slow release. DBs close fast in this league. And I never thought he had good field vision in college. He misses wide-open receivers. I just think the percentages are low here for long-term success.”
And if a team built a system around him? “I don’t even know if you could do that,” said the exec. “At some point, you have to pass, when they stop the run, and refuse to let you run (as a quarterback). If he can’t do that consistently, it’s gonna be tough.”
So here it is…Our opportunity to make a final statement in their “Tebow Experiment” and nail that lid on his freakin coffin!!!
PantyRaider...Start Tebowing For The Tebowncos!!!/_
Scorpio,
On the plus side I don’t think any of these guys come with an arrest record in the State of Ohio.
Calico,
I’m inclined to agree with your assessment. We’ve made it through the hard part of our schedule at 4-3, and were one fourth down stop from being 5-2 and sole possession of first place. Plus, if you don’t look at the score, the Chefs’ game was a statistical dead heat.
If we beat the Tebows we will be 5-3 and 2-1 in the division at the half way point. In August we would have taken that in a heartbeat. But, when you have early success expectations go up also. These next five games are all winnable. However, they are replete with potential stumbling blocks.
H
OOH H! taking a potshot at panty's boy pryor! ahh give the kid a chance H...
anyway guys, they got rid of hagan to make room for houshanmdkaamada. i think this absolutely is the wrong move. i just don't get this one. schilen's is constantly hurt and therefore non-productive.
hagan can at least get open on 3rd down!!!
this one's a head scratcher!
Scorpio,
The police blotter entries for Bangal players could fill a novel. It would be pretty boring but would rival Tom Clancy in thickness.
H
Scorpio...
My boy Pryor never did anything of record that was against the law...Just some damn NCAA rules which now extend into the NFL thank to that dumb ass Gooall!!!
When the memorabilia thing with Pryor was confirmed, the NCAA suspended him for the first five games of the 2011 season.
Pryor decided to enter the supplemental draft instead of returing to Ohio State.
Goodall, in order to keep good relations with NCAA stipulated he would be suspended for the first five games of the season.
The main problem was the head coach knew about the situation and did nothing to stop these players from violating NCAA rules. So he was fired. Goodall also stopped Tressel from being a "game day consultant" with Indy.
All this may not be 100% accurate, but that's how I remember it.
Bottom line is if in two or even three years Pryor turns into the real deal, we have developeed a franchise QB for third round money. I can live with that.
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Amendment:
There were a few other Ohio state players involved. They returned and served suspensions.
However, I still stand my my statement about Bengal players. Probably some arrest in Kentucky also.
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"H"...
That situation played out very well for us..
#1..Pryor would have been drafted much higher had he stayed and played this season...Especially with the quick development of Cam Newton who he compared favorably to...
#2...We had no 2nd/4th and now have no 1st as a result of "JC"s injury and subsequent trade for Palmer...With only a 3rd rd choice we would have had no shot at Pryor or any other high targeted "QB" prospect...
So if Pryor develops he was one of the best bargains ever...
PantyRaider...I Like's What I See!!!/_
When you look at why Pryor sold the stuff the whole thing takes on a different light. It was wrong (i.e., against NCAA rules), but certainly not offensive.
Scorpio - I agree. The wrong WR was let go.
Handling of Hagen has been a headscratcher since the first game, and after a preseason that he led all Raider wideouts. Schilens has never really done anything to warrant his stay.
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anyway guys, they got rid of hagan to make room for houshanmdkaamada. i think this absolutely is the wrong move. i just don't get this one. schilen's is constantly hurt and therefore non-productive.
hagan can at least get open on 3rd down!!!
this one's a head scratcher!
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Aren't they both slot receivers? I'm guessing they wanted a slot that CP was more familiar with.
Plus Schilens has more upside.. I still think he can be a premier receiver in the league.
Hagan might not even be picked up, while Schilens would be snagged in a second. Tall young talented CHEAP underachieving receivers are a hot commodity.
There are prolly three AFC west teams that would snag Schillens if we cut him.
If Hagan kills us on one of those teams, so be it.
If Schillens lights us up for years to come... I'd go crazy.
JMac once thought he was the best player on our roster.
"Bottom line is if in two or even three years Pryor turns into the real deal, we have developeed a franchise QB for third round money."
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H, I hope this turns out to be the case, but...
If it does, doesn't that mean we gave a #1 and 2 pick, for Palmer to be starter for only 2 or 3 years ?
Just sayin.
Raider OO -
What I want and expect from Palmer is a 3 year window (2011, 2012, 2013) to get the Raiders to the playoffs, advance in the playoffs.
If the Raiders get more than this 3 year window, I view it as "gravy".
Worrying or speculating how we will be or what our QB situation is in 2014 just isn't worth the time.
Raider00...
Prolley so...If it gets us to that big game is it worth the price???
I say yes!!...Without him we haven't a chance in hell..Pryor ain't ready and we have no other options on the roster...
Now is it possible that Palmer can still be playing at a high level 4-5 seasons down the road???...Maybe...Or he's a very qualified #2...But Pryor will be ready sooner than that...So maybe we have more than one option...
OakTown's New "O"...
"There are different strengths," Jackson said. "Obviously, I played to Jason's strengths and now I will play to Carson's strengths. I feel very good about where we are."
"There's no comparison, this week to last Wednesday," Palmer said. "I'm comfortable with the entire playbook, comfortable with the guys, comfortable with the snap count, where to stand in the huddle. Every little bit I've been around here, every second I've had, I just learn more and more."
Sounds very damn good to me but here is something very very disturbing and I'm not yet sure if this be a freakin joke or it's real????
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Cheifs announce they are Gay
http://www.sportspickle.com/news/6303/kansas-city-chiefs-become-the-first-professional-sports-team-to-announce-its-gay
"Back in the mid-60s or so we when we were only a few years old we started having conflicting feelings about the Raiders," said former quarterback Len Dawson. "But I’m not sure we really even knew what gay was back then.
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Don';t know how to respond to this other than to say it's a disgusting this to even consider!!!
PantyRaider...How Can The World Of Men Get Turned Upside Down So Quickly!!!/_
Guess I Should Have Expected Something Like This Eventually???!!!
Across the Golden Gate in the Bavarian Gardens the Republican party has been exposed in their worship of Moloch and child sacrifice with male nude companions of which Arnold Schortznager was once one…Now it’s public in our sports???
http://www.pantheon.org/articles/m/moloch.html
Correction: Bohemian Grove
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohemian_Grove
I have now been informed that that crap was some sort of very lame JOKE!!!
Well I didn't see the punch line and it was posted on a Raider board so I just reacted as though it was for real...My bad I suppose so please disregard the very upset rants!!!
Guess I could delete but someone will prolley just get a laugh at me out of it so won't...
Am I really this damn gullible???
Raider00,
“If it does, doesn't that mean we gave a #1 and 2 pick, for Palmer to be starter for only 2 or 3 years ?”
Maybe, but the flipside/upside is this. If Pryor turns into a talent worthy of a #1 pick, then I would look at Palmer as a #1 and #3 swap. That would be slightly more palatable.
Further, if Campbell continued to improve and had a very good year, he could wind up on the FA market as the best QB out there. Harder for us to resign him especially with Pryor on the roster. Campbell is still in his 20’s and Palmer will be 32 in about a month. Palmer might be more inclined to assist in the development of Pryor than Campbell. That’s not a negative comment on Campbell, just human psyche speculation.
For all his braggadocio about creating a monster in Tommy Kelly by Warren Sapp, we didn’t see squat in terms of production until Seymour got here and we gave a #1 there. His leadership and on field coaching along with Mike Waufle have given us one of the better DL’s in the league.
Palmer could come in and create a similar scenario on offense and lift the play of those around him even higher.
Finally, we have taken several players in rounds 2-5 the last couple of drafts who have graded higher at the end of the season.
I would prefer to have one of those #1’s back, but it is what it is, so I’m trying to look at the overall picture through my admittedly rose colored glasses.
I guess you might say I’m with Calico. A solid three year run with Palmer starting now.
Panty,
Those quotes from Jackson and Palmer, while encouraging, are exactly what I would expect at this point. They’re firing up the fan base. Jackson paid a hefty price for the guy. What’s missing from that equation is any leaked negative stuff. That’s what I find more encouraging.
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"H"...
I didn't view it as just propaganda being released...I viewed it as genuine excitement by the Coach/"QB"/"WR" -n- others on that roster...The fact that this "O" is being digested so quickly by our 2 newest additions as it's also being tailored to them is a huge encouragement to me...
Time will tel and that's Sunday afternoon and Thursday evening...In that 4 day span we will learn/know allot more than what we know now...
PantyRaider...Skies The Limit Here Now!!!/_
One clue that Schilens should have been waived to bring in TJ Houshman is that Jackson kept Schilens inactive against the Chiefs even though he was healthy and ready to play.
The time for pretending Schilens is some miracle WR in waiting should be over.
Jackon's top focus is improving the Raiders. Thankfully, he seems less concerned with the notion that placing a player on waivers might potentially improve another team.
"NYR"...
We have 6 "WR"s on the roster but how many need to be active each week??..Someone is in reserve in case of injury but "Glass Chaz" is the tallest of the 6 and presents a different package than Hagen at 6'2 200#s..."TJH"/"DHB" -n- Murphy are also that same size...Moore-n-Ford are smaller speed guys...So Hagen was odd man out but if needed may still be available like Lito Sheppard was...
We now have one open roster spot...Not sure why or who it's for but Hagen could have stayed that being the case but was let go???...I don't have that answer...
Maybe it's for the "K" is Jano can't go???
PantyRaider...This New "O" Is Going To Be Fun To Watch!!!
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Didn't say it was or wasn't propaganda. Just good PR. He's got to sell tickets too.
It turns up the flames better than, "We're progressing every day and expect to be ready by Sunday."
Interesting article about Amy
Trask, http://tinyurl.com/3khcsb4.
As for Chaz vs. Hagen, for me it's six of a dozen or half of one of another, or something to that affect. We've had flashes in camp that didnt' translate to the regular season before. Nick Miller comes to mind. Chaz definitely has more "potential" but so did Russell.
With the loss of draft choices that potential may have been the deciding factor. They were patient with DHB and he is on pace for 60+ and 1,000 yards. Been a while since we've seen that.
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PR - my point is that the guy was healthy and ready to play but was placed inactive by his HC. That speaks volumes to his status on the depth chart. Add to that the fact that he's incredibly injury-prone and he's the guy I would have sent packing.
All his potential is worth nothing if he never sees the field.
Hagen, on the other hand, is still young and showed he has some tools in his belt. He's a worker bee and a viable quality backup.
That's my armchair QB opinion.
http://m.espn.go.com/wireless/story?storyId=7181147
Nice story about Amy trask...
Don't know if we'll ever get to meet her but this article says a lot about her...
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I guess you might say I’m with Calico. A solid three year run with Palmer starting now.
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Hear hear.
Gannon didn't become league MVP until his 4th year with the Raiders, but I expect Palmer will be a quicker study.
grin
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Add to that the fact that he's incredibly injury-prone and he's the guy I would have sent packing.
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Uhh WADR, you woulda sent MacFadden, Routt, and DHP packing also.
Three of our most key players. Not sure there is anything more meaningless to say.
I wouldn't doubt you were also on the "cut Jani bandwagon" years ago.
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All his potential is worth nothing if he never sees the field.
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And no use to buy Apple stock because Steve Jobs got fired.
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Hagen, on the other hand, is still young and showed he has some tools in his belt. He's a worker bee and a viable quality backup.
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He looked good in one pre-season. Thats all he's accomplished.
Chaz has more TD's in 30 less games.
Please.
Raider Fan Public Service Message:
Want to make some aware of an apparent movement to cause controversy within the Raider Fan Base...Some "Mediot"s are also involved...It's an attempt to project Hue as taking over and going against what Mr Davis would have wanted and that now Amy and Mark are out from under Al's hand and free to do as they please...
I think this is the reason for the release of that Amy Trask article to put this notion down...They are working together to improve this team and need our support the same way we gave it to Mr Davis...
If we are all aware of the situation it will help to avoid entanglement in there false ideas...Instead it's time to unite as Raider Fans and stand against such false talk NOT join in with it...
They are hanging on to the idea that the teams loses a few games and gives fire to their words...We won't lose but don't let yourselves get drug into this crap!!
I for one know I will stand against it...Hope you will join as well...
PantyRaider...Put Out There As A Warning Of What's Coming At Us!!!/_
Carson Palmer -n- "TJH"-vs-Hagen are the wood they are throwing on their fire...No doubt they will try to find other dividing issues to use...Just expect it...
Panty,
I don’t get overly exorcised about these things. The media are what they are. Jackson was very up front with saying he wanted TJH and Al Davis wanted Hagen. But, circumstances change. Had Campbell not been hurt, Hagen would still be on the team.
TJH was, pure and simple, brought in as a security blanket for Palmer. You spend five years together on the same team the relearning curve is much shorter. Plus, he came cheap. I do believe under the circumstances Al Davis would have gone along.
The only question remains is who gets released? There is an open roster spot, which means Hagen could have stayed. However, they need that spot in case Janikowski is a no go and they need to bring back Rayner at the last minute.
It was a numbers game that may have just turned into a Last In First Out situation.
H
P. S. Hey Mossbucket, if you’re listening, Roll Tide. I hope you are going to the game. It's going to be a good weekend for football!!!!
OK, I read something and I can’t let it rest. A quote from an article by James Arcellana:
“Bush was not getting a whole lot of touches and the Raiders never developed the one two tandem punch of lightening and thunder first made popular by Reggie Bush and LenDale White at USC.”
Hey, James, did the history of football start with your arrival on the scene? Ever hear of Hourning-Taylor, or Csonka-Morris. How about van Egan-Davis. The concept has been around since Jim Thorpe strapped on a leather helmet. Back then they were on the field at the same time and blocked for each other. They weren’t “specialty” backs.
Sorry guys, I just have little patience with folks who think the history of the known universe began with their birth.
Besides, according to this guy Bush can only run between the tackles. The guy may not be as fast as McFadden, but I’d bet on him in a footrace against Mr Arcellana. I’ve seen him get outside for good yardage lots of times.
Phew, gotta get my blood pressure down.
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"H"....
I know you don't get tied in knots over what the "Midiot"s vomit up or small comments that are made by coaches -n- players or NFL executives...That's kool...It's just that I have seen already on some other boards this thing getting blown way out of shape because Hue used the little word (I) instead of saying "We"...It's not like the man has to me Moses or something???...Most of us can say "I"!!!
Roster Spot:
Eventually when Jano is fully recovered it may be the door for one player to return or a new one to come in…
Who would return….Derek Hagen/Joe Porter/Bruce Davis II/Sterling Moore or Practice Squad activation?
LB Sam Williams…LoL!!!
PantyRaider..."The Fellowship Of The Trio"...Mark-Amy-n-Hue!!!/_
"H"...
Another point..."TJ"-n-Bush are sharing snaps this week so we have plenty of outside speed while Bush punishes their interior...Than there's Ford/Moore/"DHB" on the reverse for some additional outside running...
Now if that ain't enough add the "Wild Pirate" with my boy Pryor and his legs...That idiot much be blind!!!
Speaking of Pryor This:
"I’m usually just with Carson, really," Pryor said. "That’s the only person … We’re lifting partners and we meet every day in the morning when we’re off. We’re in the film room together. So, mostly everything he does, I’m right there with him."
Throughout his high school and college career, Pryor pretty much was the man and didn’t have to wait around or learn under a veteran. He even started games his freshman year at Ohio State. Therefore, he is in uncharted territory.
"I didn’t really get a lot of help (in college)," Pryor said of the older quarterbacks on the roster at the time. "I’m glad it’s happening because I can learn a little bit. I came in late, so I can develop a little more and learn from a guy that’s been doing it for 10 years."
PantyRaider...Attentive Student -n- Qualified Instructor!!!/_
Another Thought Here...
"So, mostly everything he does, I’m right there with him."
I wounder if Pryor stayed during the off time and also got in some work with the "WR"s under Carson’s leadership???
He also said: "we meet every day in the morning when we’re off.
Interesting!!!
Interesting quote from Palmer when asked about the young receivers who stayed in town and worked with him:
"It's just good that they're so hungry," Palmer said. "It's guys who don't feel like they've accomplished everything yet and don't feel like they've made it or they've arrived. It's guys that continuously want to be better, want to be helped out, want to be coached and want to work.
"For them to stick around for me, I appreciate it tremendously and it'll benefit them, myself and the team longterm."
I wonder if that’s a dig at ol’ Ocho Cinco. Just food for thought.
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H,
I wonder if that’s a dig at ol’ Ocho Cinco. Just food for thought.
Yeah, its going to awkward when Ocho is on the team in 2 weeks.
(Would it really surprise you??)
Panty,
It is a fact that Mark Davis, Amy Trask, and Hue Jackson have, "taken over".
But that's the way it has to be. Al is gone, but the Raiders season must go on.
But I think it's a legitimate question to ask, would Al Davis have made the Palmer trade ?
Would Al, right after his starting QB went down, gone around the league, with hat in hand, saying, "I'll give you whatever you want" ?
Personally, I say Al would have rejected such a high price for Palmer.
Al Davis did not make trades from a position of weakness.
If you wanted to stick a gun in Al's ribs, and hold him up, Al had the guts to say, "go f**k yourself". Which is what I believe he would have told the Bengals GM.
But the reality is, Al is gone. The deal was done, and the bigger question remains.
The big question to me is, if the M. Davis/Trask/Jackson plan fails.
If gambling some of the future, in draft picks, and playing time for the young guys. To make the Raiders a little older today, is a flop.
Will Mark Davis have the guts, to stand up and say, "Raiders need a qualified GM in 2012" ?
In reference to Raider OO's comment:
Will Mark Davis have the guts, to stand up and say, "Raiders need a qualified GM in 2012" ?
Regardless of how 2011 goes (good, bad, or just ok), M. Davis doesn't need to have "guts" to get a qualified GM. It is the logical, sound, prudent thing to do. The Raiders need a qualified GM period, no "ifs" "ands" or "buts" or qualifying, speculative statements required.
Raider00..
#1...It was Mark -n- Amy with Hue on board who already announced that the search for a new "GM" for the Raiders was underway according to a list of candidate left behind for them to consider by Al Davis himself...So just what's the issue here???
#2...It has been said that that new "GM" would prolley come after this season as things were already in place for now and Hue has been trained in the take over duties...So I have no idea what's the issue there???
#3...It has been reported and observed that in the interim John Madden would assist in this transition and most of us just accept that that's indeed taking place now including as regards these transactions...Could you possibly have a problem with that and why on Earth would you???
#4..It appears that their other transaction worked out very damn well...Curry trade and new "S" from Cinn...The two new acquisitions have scarcely had an opportunity to present themselves and your already bashing it before seeing it???...WHY???
#5...Sometimes in the real world a man/fan just needs to sit back and wait to see what all develops before throwing himself and his team off the damn bridge!!!...Lets see what happens in that 4 day window and than we will actually know something about this...Good or bad...Until than I'm down with this as an aggressive attempt to get better very quickly...
#6...For the "Trio" and most others this is a very special season and one in which were still right in the thick of things...What is desired here is a legitimate run at the illusive trophy that Al Davis was chasing..In his memory this "Trio" and many others are doing everything in their power to make that dream a reality...Why can't you just put down that "Doom-n-Gloom" and join in???
In that "Trio" we trust!!!
PantyRaider...I'm In..I'm On Board With It...I'm Just Supporting Baby!!!/_
Derick #344...
Re: Ocho...
YES!!...And NO he won't be here...
"TJH" is the one who had a great -n- very productive working relationship with Carson Palmer and Hue Jackson...NOT Ocho -n- "TO"....
"H"..
Rather sounds like it...Also that says allot about our young "WR"s who must be very excited to finally have a real "QB" who can get them that "Pig" on time on target...I'm very eager to observe it...
PantyRaider...4 Day Span Will Be Exciting!!!/_
I say there's a real possibility that this team...Hue...Has already hired his now "WR" coach who has become a Raider 1st as a player and later as a coach:
To hear quarterback Carson Palmer tell it, it won’t be long before Houshmandzadeh is tutoring the other wide receivers on the Raiders playbook and the nuances of the game.
“He understands concepts, he understands schemes, alignments, all the little things a lot of receivers overlook,” Palmer said. “He’s a student of the game, and it’s going to be a really big help, especially for these young guys to have him around. Just in the first day, they were kind of taken back by how much he knows. For him to know the playbook in just his first day out, getting here late (Tuesday), shows a lot about his football knowledge.”
That comes as no surprise to Jackson, who coached Houshmandzadeh in Cincinnati from 2004-06.
“When I put guys on the football team, I put guys on the team to help us,” Jackson said. “If I thought he couldn’t pick it up or learn it, I never would have made that decision. T.J. knows how to play. He’s played a long time in this league.
“He brings vast knowledge, obviously game experience, to the receiver room, to the practice field, familiarity with the quarterback. Those are some huge factors. On top of that, he’s the one guy that I know I can go to a game with on Sunday and say, ‘T.J., go in there and do this,’ and he can do it.”
PantyRaider...New Player Coach Of "WR"s Like Seymour Was To "DL"!!!/_
Panty,
Not throwing Raiders off bridge.
Just pointing out, that Al Davis had set forth a clear direction for the Raiders.
No more free agent free loaders, with hands out for money.
Al built his last Raider team in the image of his old ones.
Through trades and draft. Young players proud to wear the silver & black.
And things seemed to be working out just fine to me.
But as soon as Al is gone. Here we go again.
Reaching out from here, and there. From this team, and that team(mostly Bengals).
Bringing in the mercanaries again, that care nothing about the Raiders.
Changing the whole team around to make the outsiders happy.
How do you think Moore, Ford, and DHB feel today ?
They were Al's guys. They are Raiders.
But the new #1 receiver, is TJH. Why?, because he's Palmers guy.
And where is Al's guy, Hagen ? You think Al is rollin yet ??
Al Davis forgot more football in an hour, then the "Trio" will ever know.
So Carson Palmer is going to ride in from Cincy, and save the day? Please.
Raider00...
Lets just say I'm not in the mood to share your "Doom-n-Gloom"...
As for the young "WR"s they seem to be very happy with Palmer and "TJH" as well per their comments that there's allot for them to learn from the 2...Pryor has taken that same attitude....
But of course your crystal balls tell of a completely different story of losses and anguish while my over full mug of that Raider Brew...KoolAid...Intoxicates the view of success...Now we will just have to see how it all plays out on he field these next 4 days and take it from there....
PantyRaider....Game Face With A Smile Not Tears!!!/_
Raider 00 -
Since Al's passing, Hue has brought in Curry, Palmer, and TJH. Each new player acquisition should be looked at and judged individually and over the course of the season.
Curry is a young player, an exceptional overall athlete, was low risk with potential big upside. He has started from day one and peformed well.
Palmer's acquisition can be viewed as high risk due to the draft choices and sticker price but was the result of an emergency situation caused by the season ending injury to Campbell. The reward could be an above average QB for the next 3+ years.
TJH was a low cost (less than $500k), low risk move. TJH is a high character, hard working, proven possession WR. Yes, he is 34 BUT he is a young 34 when you consider he played only 1 year of HS football, 3 years of college ball, and sat on the bench his 1st 3 years in the pros. He has zero injury history and his knowledge of the WR position and the intricacies of the game have value to a young WR crew. So we gave up 1 journeyman possession WR (Hagan) for a better one (TJH) who worked with Palmer and Jackson before.
The common threads of Curry, Palmer, and TJH are guys that work hard, love the game, and are good guys, who genuinely seem to appreciate the opportunity the Raiders have given them. They also sincerely believe in the guy (Hue) who brought them into the fold.
Calico,
A very good analysis of the current activity on the team. Two of the three are basically no brainers. Low risk high reward. The Palmer trade carries a very high risk.
We will find out today how quick a study he is and if his arm has returned to form.
H
Gameday thread is up.
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