Raiders v. Browns Gamedeay Thread
Today's game is an opportunity to position the Raiders squarely in the playoff hunt, and to make Mr. Davis and the Raider Nation proud. Go out and JUST WIN, BABY!
posted by Raider Take at 9:25 AM
34 Comments:
In honor of Al Davis, I hope today, the Raiders:
Commit 16 penalties(mostly roughing)
Score 40+ points(with the aid of some long bombs)
And win a thrilling victory.
RIP Al.
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1st quarter stats
CLE OAK
First Downs 2 8
Total Yards 10 126
Passing Yards 1 50
Rushing Yards 9 76
Penalties (Yds) 0(0) 2(10)
Turnovers 0 1
Punts (AVG) 2(56) 0(0)
Time of Pos. 4:03 10:40
Half Time: "JC" OUT!!!
CLE OAK
First Downs 8 10
Total Yards 108 148
Passing Yards 69 51
Rushing Yards 39 97
Penalties (Yds) 4(24) 3(15)
Turnovers 0 1
Punts (AVG) 4(49) 2(41)
Time of Pos. 14:04 15:23
1st Half:
OAKLAND RAIDERS
Passing CP/AT YDS TD INT
J. Campbell 6/9 52 0 0
K. Boller 0/2 0 0 0
Rushing CAR YDS TD LG
D. McFadden 10 58 1 24
M. Bush 4 12 0 10
M. Tonga 1 12 0 12
D. Moore 1 -3 0 -3
J. Campbell 2 16 0 9
K. Boller 1 2 0 2
Receiving REC YDS TD LG
J. Ford 2 16 0 9
D. Ausberry 1 4 0 4
D. Heyward-Bey 2 30 0 21
D. McFadden 1 2 0 2
Fumbles FUM LOST REC YDS
J. Campbell 1 1 0 0
Game 24-17 "V"
CLE OAK
First Downs 18 18
Total Yards 268 329
Passing Yards 203 178
Rushing Yards 65 151
Penalties (Yds) 5(34) 5(35)
Turnovers 1 1
Punts (AVG) 6(46) 4(36)
Time of Pos. 25:19 34:12
OAKLAND RAIDERS
Passing CP/AT YDS TD INT
J. Campbell 6/9 52 0 0
K. Boller 8/14 100 0 0
S. Lechler 1/1 35 1 0
Rushing CAR YDS TD LG
D. McFadden 20 91 1 24
M. Bush 10 28 0 10
M. Tonga 1 12 0 12
D. Moore 1 -3 0 -3
J. Campbell 2 16 0 9
K. Boller 5 9 0 5
D. Ausberry 1 -2 0 -2
Receiving REC YDS TD LG
J. Ford 3 43 0 27
D. Ausberry 1 4 0 4
D. Heyward-Bey 6 82 0 21
D. McFadden 1 2 0 2
B. Myers 1 3 0 3
D. Moore 1 9 0 9
M. Bush 1 9 0 9
K. Boss 1 35 1 35T
Fumbles FUM LOST REC YDS
J. Campbell 1 1 0 0
K. Boller 2 0 1 -5
D. McFadden 0 0 1 0
T. Kelly 0 0 1 0
Kicking FG LG XP PTS
S. Janikowski 1/1 48 3/3 6
Punting NO AVG I20 LG
S. Lechler 4 36 2 59
Word is "JC" has fractured collarbone and out for the season...
My boy Pryor better get a crash course because Damn!!!...Boller sucks!!!
Campbell is projected to be out 8 weeks, which means that he's pretty much lost for the rest of the season. I'm not one with big confidence in Boller, but he has 46 starts under his belt and he's the career leader in the Ravens' short history.
Word early was that Campbell was only signed through this year, and Davis viewed Pryor as the Raiders QB of the future. If that's true, Pryor may get his chance this season - depending on how Boller does.
I'd suffer our coaching hiring mistakes since 2004 all over again if Hue Jackson would still be the one left standing at the end of it. He's worth the wait. If it's possible to win with Boller, Jackson will figure out how to do it.
DHB isn't looking like an NFL WR. He's looking like a number 7 overall draft pick.
Bittersweet win.
With Campbell likely out for the year, the Raiders will have to make due with Boller for the remaining 10 games. Boller looked very shaky early on but seemed to settle down in the 4th Q.
The Raiders will need to be creative, opportunistic, and highly resilient to beat each opponent we face.
Is Gerrard still available? Pryor behind center in 2011 would be an absolute disaster.
David Garrard if you please!
Boller nor Pryor is the playoff answer presently. One question, why did Hue go for it on 4th and 1 up by 14 when a gimme field goal puts us up three possessions?
Garrard can be signed this week and we won't actually need him until the San Diego game, that's three weeks prep time to acclimate himself to the playbook and personal.
Boller is an experienced QB with a live arm and good mobility. I can roll with Boller but feel we need an experienced back-up/competition for him as insurance.
We should NEVER be in a situation where we are 1 play away from Pryor taking over in 2011.
I suspect we will be seeing either Trent Edwards or Charlie Frye come in. That's the best of what hasn't been signed. The only other option is to trade.
Awesome game and enjoyed every min of it! Hue Jackson has really got these men to believe in what he's preaching day in and day out.
In Hue We Believe!!!!
The rumors have begun.
Raiders are "trying hard" to trade for none other than Carson Palmer.
Will Hue do it, remains to be seen? But I like Hue's swagger!
"BR"...
I project Trent Edwards will be back this week if not Monday...He already knows this "O" and makes me feel better than with Boller...
I think Pryor gets a crash course but not the starting role...Be ready because if we are stumbling may as well have the kid in there...
"JC" has not played well the past 3 weeks and scarcely contributed to any "V"..."ST"s -n- "D" won this game...17 pts by our "ST"s...We can still win without "JC"...
Today:
J. Campbell 6/9 52yds
Last Week: Jets
1st Half: J. Campbell 9/19 132 "TD" "Int"
2nd Half: J. Campbell 6/16 58yds "TD"
Against "NE"
J. Campbell 11/15 144yds "Int"
J. Campbell 14/25 200yds "TD"-n-"Int"
I Pimped It!!!
I wanted Palmer before the season started and posted as such in my prediction...Funny if it works out that way in the end???
"QB"s...Vince Young/Carson Palmer
"WR"s...Vincent Jackson/Plaxaco Burris
"OT"....________________________
"OLB"...________________________
"Sup-Draft"...Slash Pryor
WoW!!...Could I really be this on???
Curry is that un-named "OLB"...
Hagen is the "WR"...
Pryor is here...
Palmer on the way???
I failed to project Boss/Gerdano and the "OT"s have failed to pan out...
PantyRaider...When Your Hot Your Hot!!!/_
Eternal Flame!!...That's a very nice touch...Hope they can keep it burning as we move into our own new stadium!!
I like Boller's mobility. He has a tendency to make some wild throws to open recieivers.
Garrard is OK. He has Chron's Disease which is a consideration. If he's in remission he's worth a shot.
Palmer might come at too high of a price at the moment. Let's not mortgage the future for a quick fix.
Trent Edwards of Charlie Frye would be the quickest to get up to speed with their time on the team.
Quick note on the defense. Two weeks in a row the defense has held a team to 70 yars or less rushing. Also, in both games the opposing QB completed less than 50% of their passes. This is the most agressive defense since Bresnahan was coordinator in '02.
One more game and we just might have a trend working here.
I predict Lechler or Ford will be Special Teams player of the week. I vote for Lechler.
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Just going to throw out a name that hit me this morning when I was thinking about possible QB replacements:
Troy Smith
Currently in the UFL, has a history with Hue via Baltimore, I believe the raiders have been loosely connected with him in the past. Had some decent games for SF last year, wouldn't be surprised if they gave him a call.
My first choice would be Garrard by a landslide.
I've wanted to see Palmer in Black for a while now, but I'm afraid we'd be looking at giving up a #2 (#3 went for Pryor) and I think that may be too high a pick unless we can get a package thing going on.
My concern, while I love Carson's arm, is that he seemed to really not get it done the last few years, at least put up some numbers man!
Then again, maybe Cincy can do that to a man. Perhaps he'd have a chip on his shoulder . . .
Raider Pete / Conch Republican
Why did Jax give up on Garrad right before the season started? Now they have a 1-5 record to show for that move.
As others point out, the Raiders have options. Any decent QB should beg for a chance to play behind the Raiders surprisingly solid O-line and with our running game.
There are perhaps a couple or three good QBs out there that may see this as a huge opportunity to step into a ready-made playoff possible team... turn-key!
I cannot fault Hue Jackson for the 4th down play, going for 1st down/TD.
Yeah, maybe a FG ices game at that moment.
But Hue is looking at big picture. He knows when offense gets that close, the thinking has to be scoring TD's, not FG's.
I love this when reporting us going after Carson Palmer:
"a source familiar with the Raiders' thinking has told Jason Cole of Yahoo Sports."
So now they are relying on people who are "familiar" with how the Raiders "think."
That's got to be one of the best lines for sourcing a story I've ever seen.
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"a source familiar with the Raiders' thinking" - Translation: Michael Lombardi or somebody who knows all about Davis because he watches ESPN.
One thing to keep in mind. The plan at the start of the season was to start Campbell, back up with Boller, and teach Pryor how to be the QB of the future. The Raiders are not going to derail that plan for an 8 week injury to Campbell. In other words, the object is to back up Boller for 8 weeks, not find a new starter.
It will have to be someone familiar with the system. There is currently only one man, and that's Edwards. Since Jackson only arrived last season, McCown knows nothing of the system and Frye knows very little.
McCown doesn't even know the players, because most of the team has changed over since he was here. Frye knows the players, but he doesn't know the system.
Edwards is the most logical choice. I like Frye because I think he'll make an excellent QB coach at some point. It would be great to have him working with Pryor.
The fact is that Boller could wind up on IR after a single snap. We'd need someone who could step in almost immediately. Edwards is the only answer to that question.
one word: FAVRE!
whoever this new qb is, he needs to step in RIGHT NOW and play. whoever this team gets as a qb MUST have the skills to take us to and through the playoffs. can boller be that guy? don't think so.
garrard is OUT because he's having back surgery. a palmer trade and this team takes a MAJOR salary cap hit not to mention the ripoff cincy would want in a trade knowing that we're desperate. speaking of the bengals, what about gradkowski? he knows the playbook/coaches and most of the players on the team.
there's only 1 guy out there who is capable of taking us to the playoffs and beyond - favre!
here's another name who's avaialable for ya! jamarcus russell! just kidding folks. we're NOT THAT desperate!
Carson Palmer has to be released by the Bengals, which they won't.
Garrard may be out as reports are he may be having surgery on his back.
We can pull the trigger to trade for McNabb, who has no blocking and no WRs to catch his passes. Or we could sign the "Ole Gunslinger" Brett Favre, who has in fan in John Madden, who is currently helping Mark Davis (according to Pro Football Talk).
Lets throw Cincy a 6th rounder for Gradkowski.
We only need an 8 week solution. Not Palmer, because his contract would demand that he become the permanent starter.
I don't want Palmer. I'd rather keep what we have. Boller is a suitable back up (8 week replacement). Granted, the others will all have to step up their game. But Boller was a starter for three years. He's played some good games. His problem was that he wasn't consistent. But how consistent do you need to be over 8 weeks as a game manager.
And that's what Boller's job will be - a game manager. His job will be to feed the ball to the play makers. He has a good arm, and once in awhile he's even accurate.
We may also begin to see Pryor worked in as QB in wildcat plays.
Let's face it, Campbell might be out for the season.
No matter what direction the Raiders go, it has to involve signing another QB. W/o Campbell, the Raiders are dangerously thin.
Edwards is the most likely candidate. Palmer is probably the best option but no doubt costly.
After a 4-2 start, I'm sure we're all extremely anxious to see how this plays out.
Hopefully, Boller can step in with the entire playbook at his disposal and not miss a beat. His play yesterday was rusty but it's not fair to judge him on that alone.
Boller & Edwards plus a handful of plays for Pryor would seem to be the most practical solution going forward.
I would expect Campbell to be re-signed and our starter in 2012.
Edwards was in camp, knows the playbook, is a bright guy, and a suitable back-up.
The key for me is Jackson and Saunders customizing the offense to fit what Boller does best and to properly manage the game.
It's a shame that Campbell had to get a season ending injury in the 1st gm at home since the Passing of Mr.Davis. No matter what Coach Hue is saying, it is a big kick in the nuts for a team that is on a roll.
Boller hasn't won an NFL gm since 2007, ouch. Campbell was having a good season and he was a leader on the Offense and the team. In defense of Boller, he wasn't taking any snaps with the #1 team all year up to this point. If he can help the team, it probably won't show for a few gms.
Watch for KC to blitz him all day long next gm to try and force him into mistakes because of his lack of in game situations. A QB can only 'manage' a gm so much, if he is weak, he will be exploited. Campbell will be missed.
JONES
AngelicRaider
I have faith that Boller will have a smooth transition from the bench to our starter. It is not as though Jason Campbell was putting up 300 yards a game. Our offense is not very pass heavy meaning Boller just needs to lead. I liked him in Baltimore and maybe he is another Plunkett waiting for his turn.
The Colts earlier this year rushed Kerry Collins into the mix and looked how that panned out. I believe coach when he explained that the team didn't bat an eye when Campbell went down.
Does anyone else love those Al shirts? So simple but it makes such a bold statement regarding the man that made this franchise.
GO RAIDERS!!!!!
AR is correct. Boller only needs to be the manager on the field. The added feature is the creativity of Hue Jackson. And I do believe that Pryor will become involved - not as the starter, but creatively.
Hue Jackson -
I'll tell you, 90% of the entertainment value for me, so far, is waiting to see what Hue will try each week. And I'm sure it's driving DCs nuts!
He's also under more pressure than perhaps any coach in history. He's never been an HC before. In fact, until last season, he'd never been an NFL OC before. But now, not only is he the Head Coach of one of the most storied franchises, he's the GM and the Personnel Director. He's also going to be the lead man in selecting the Raiders new GM. Add to this, he's just lost his starting QB for the season in a season that he is compelled by history, circumstance and destiny to make the playoffs and steal the Superbowl.
If I were Boller, I'd get Jim Plunkett on the phone. When Plunkett took over, we'd gone 9-7 the two previous seasons. I think we were 2-3 when Jim took over. The fans were ready to write off another season of missing the playoffs. But Jim, it turned out, had more in his tank than anyone suspected or gave him credit. Except, of course, Al Davis. I've read that Al is the one who brought Boller in.
I thought Jason Campbell was the new 'Plunkett'? Now Boller is? Reading the last 2 comments, it would seem as if 'Joe the Plumber' could run the Offense and it wouldn't miss a beat. Also, Hue has now become the HC with the most amount of pressure ever felt by a HC IN HISTORY. Shouldn't Raider fans have their feet more on the ground?
Some of the comments are more than a little over the top...but that's what this site is known for, huh?
Doesn't matter who is putting on the Silver and Black, they are always being touted as the "next_____". The next ______ isn't coming back, how bout the "new ______"? Steeped in the past and unwilling to embrace a future, dinosaurs, I thought they were extinct?
JONES
Also, Hue was an OC twice before he came to Oakland, just to let you know.
JONES
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