A Win for Mr. Davis
I'm going to make this quick, because you all saw it, and words pale to the raw emotions of this victory...
1. Wow, what a scene with Hue Jackson at the end, kneeling on the turf, weeping in remembrance of his boss and mentor. Dude's a true Raider, through and through. Mr. Davis, you picked a winner.
2. Gotta love the trio of Raiders crashing down on Schaub late in the quarter to force a field goal, and Tommy Kelly busting a vicious face mask hold to drop the hammer on Schaub in the next series.
3. Game ball to the entire team. It wasn't always pretty, but the entire team got the job done, and won a tough game on the road against a formidable foe. The arrow is pointing up.
4. Awesome "Al" shield stickers and patches on the helmets and jackets. A fitting tribute, in true Raider fashion.
5. The team did Mr. Davis, and the Davis family, proud today. Folks, we have a football team that is heading to the next level. It may still take some time, but it's coming. Here come the Raiders. HERE COME THE RAIDERS!!!
1. Wow, what a scene with Hue Jackson at the end, kneeling on the turf, weeping in remembrance of his boss and mentor. Dude's a true Raider, through and through. Mr. Davis, you picked a winner.
2. Gotta love the trio of Raiders crashing down on Schaub late in the quarter to force a field goal, and Tommy Kelly busting a vicious face mask hold to drop the hammer on Schaub in the next series.
3. Game ball to the entire team. It wasn't always pretty, but the entire team got the job done, and won a tough game on the road against a formidable foe. The arrow is pointing up.
4. Awesome "Al" shield stickers and patches on the helmets and jackets. A fitting tribute, in true Raider fashion.
5. The team did Mr. Davis, and the Davis family, proud today. Folks, we have a football team that is heading to the next level. It may still take some time, but it's coming. Here come the Raiders. HERE COME THE RAIDERS!!!
posted by Raider Take at 1:40 PM
89 Comments:
I'm weeping with Hue. Listening to his post game remarks right now; but Al couldn't script it any better with a INT in the End Zone on the last play to win.
JUST WIN IN PEACE AL!!!
Al was with us and will continue to be with us...His spirit lives on with us and Hue knows that and relates it to us and this team!!!
It's for you Coach Davis...We love and admire you!!!
Time of Pos. 25:35 34:25
This "D" was up against it and they came threw...I believed in them and said so even when others couldn't see it and were down on them...We will be there...We have the heart and the talent to play and if we can get healthy we will win!!!
Hue Live:
http://www.csnbayarea.com/pages/live
this one was for al.
when this team puts everything together, they will become dangerous.
it's fun to watch dhb develop. i'l glad to say that i'm one who alway's said to give him a chance and now we ask, what's craptree doing?
mark davis needs to find a competent GM.
there are so many questions, one of them being the LA/oakland issue. hopefully mark keeps them right here.
but in the meantime, we have more games to win - for al.
A very unusual game with many ebbs and flows plus twists and turns and an emotional fitting ending.
What I liked best about the game besides the "W", was a D that played aggressively. The blitz packages were the difference. Huff, Mitchell, and McClain provided the additional pressure to get in Schaub's face.
The # of hits, hurries, pressures, sacks, and deflections on Schaub was a team playing to win.
This victory sets up the Raiders to make a serious playoff run. At the half-way point of the season, 5-3 would be disappointing with 6-2 a realistic goal with home games vs. Cleveland, KC, and Denver.
Raiders version of the cardiac kids are back.
It was great to see Mark Davis representing the Raiders only one day after his dad's death.
Just an amazing win.
Jano is money!
Do you think Hue Jackson wants to win?
Wow!
I haven't seen the Raiders try that fake punt play since Madden pulled it in pre-season of 1974. It's great to finally have a coach that flips all the way through the Raider Playbook from time to time.
The stat sheet was heavily lopsided to Houston, the field was littered with phantom yellows thrown at the Raiders, the Raider players and coaches found a way to win as the clock expired...
Is that not the very definition of Al Davis (Raider) football? RIP, Al.
By the way, how's DHB doing? Just asking.
Oh... In addition to the lopsided stat sheet and a couple of phantom penalties (not to mention a host of holding that Houston did not get called for), Campbell was heavily pressured today, and he wasn't at all sharp. McFadden had trouble finding a hole. But they still found a way to scratch out a victory against a very good team. Raider football indeed.
Had to win this game, and they did !!
As Blanda said, bad stats, bad calls, but Raiders won anyway. just like the good old days.
And then, the emotions came rushing out at the end.
What a scene. Like the ending of a great movie.
There will never be another Al Davis.
Just too many fallen Raiders lately, and now the greatest Raider of them all... I think Mr. Davis passed knowing that his team was in good hands and was playing true Raider football once again. I'd have a hard time believing he'd let go any other way. And his fingerprints were all over this win today, one way or another, whether you believe he had a hand in it spiritually or not.
What I saw today was a bunch of "typical Al Davis BUSTS" make huge plays. I saw that "mistake" or "first round reach" Seabass hit 4 big ones like it was easy. T.Kelly certainly earned some of that $$$BIG$$$. That BUST Heyward-Bey played OK, right? I didn't see anyone catch anything against that overpaid no-name CB #26. And how about that stupid 7th overall pick, what's his name, Muff? Huff? Oh, just a Rod-Woodson-like game-winning INT to seal the deal, that's all.
Great win for Coach Davis. As sad as it is that he is gone and we'll never again see the likes of him again, we can at least know that our beloved Raiders were left in good hands with a chance to carry on the tradition of winning as it should. Even in passing Al did it the right way, the Raider way. He left a proud family in charge of what happens from here. Even the timing of it allowed the players to channel our great loss into a great win. And it allows time for our front office to plan for the offseason duties that Mr. Davis once dominated.
My condolences to not just the Davis Family, or even the entire Raider Nation, but to every NFL fan, player, owner, executive and coach. Because all of football changed yesterday for the worse...
-Psycho
A VERY RAIDERLIKE WIN FROM YESTERYEAR.GREAT WIN!
NOW THAT AL IS IN A BETTER PLACE I HOPE HIS WISHES COME TRUE AND THE RAIDUHS BECOME WINNERS.
MY THOUGHTS ARE WITH THE DAVIS FAMILY AND THE RAIDERNATION.
AL RIP.
SCALR8R
If you haven't seen it, check out Jackson's postgame speech, totally badass:
http://bit.ly/r9QBpv
Some Game Stats:
1st off "JC" was just bad and then he made a few nice plays???...Now 2 weeks in a row...
"JC" 1st Half: J. Campbell 9/19 132 "TD" "Int"
2nd Half: J. Campbell 6/16 58yds "TD"
Hard to imaging being able to go very far with him at the helm but unless Pryor can develop very quickly what else do we have???
The "O"...What there was of it against ourselves and a very tough Houston "D"....Not to mention the 2 big plays that were taken away via that "Zebra" yellow crap!!!
Third Down Efficiency 3/15 - 20%
Fourth Down Efficiency 1/1 - 100%
Total Net Yards 278
Net Yards Rushing 22/94yds 4.3yd ave
Net Yards Passing 184
Times Sacked (Number-Yards) 3 - 6
Pass Comp-Att-Int 15 - 35 - 1
Punts (Number-Average) 7 - 49.4
Interception Returns (Number-Yards) 2 - 15
Field Goals (Made-Attempted) 4 - 4
Red Zone Efficiency 1/1 - 100%
Penalties (Number-Yards) 11 - 89
The "D"...Really up against it because of the "O" failures and a very good Houston "O" -w- 10 min extra "TOP"...They must have been gassed but showed the heart to just keep playing!!!
"D" Allowed:
Rushing: 25/70yds 2.8yd ave
Passing: 24/51 416yds 2 Ints
Third Down Efficiency 8/20 - 40%
Penalties (Number-Yards) 6 - 50
I was again on the edge of my chair as I have been in almost every game this season...Just like the old days when we could believe even when down with time running our....Either our "O" would come up with a huge game saving play or it would be the 'D" that makes a stand and takes away that "Pig"...
This one goes to our "D"....
Honorable mention "DHB" -n- Hue...
SeaBass who proved Al was right to draft him...How many 50+ yds this season???
I give it up to this team who never gave up but also acknowledge we never should have won this game...We were quite simply outmatched....
PantyRaider...Hue -n- This Team Just Willed It To Be....In The Memory Of Al Davis!!!/_
BlandaRocked....
You hit it on the nail...Even in death these damn "Zebra"s are going to continue to make their pathetic assaults on Al's team...That's just totally Sick!!!
Psycho...
I agree....Al's hand was very much on this team this day...It's his selections of draft picks/UDFA's-n-"FA"s that he assembled that played that game to it's end...It was his memory that was in their hearts and his way that that drove them to "V"....
I also like to view it as "Darth Raider" when he passes to the other side and wields the "Power-o-da-Dark Side" over his franchise just like old "O-Bi-One-Ka-Nobi" in a galaxy far far away a long long time ago!!!
That's Al's place now...The universe but his heart will always be with this team and his fans!!!
PantyRaider...The Greatness Of The Raiders Lives On!!!/_
Now is time for a look ahead...A few of these stats will change after the Monday nigh game but not by much...
Raiders.......Cleveland:
"O"-#9.............."D"-#9
Pass-#22............Pass-#4
Rush-#2.............Rush-#26
Scoring-#6..........Scoring-#6
"OL"-#3.............Sacks-#13 Tie
....................Int's-#20 Tie
Punting-#8 -w- 49.4yd ave
"D"-#30............."O"-21
Pass-#28............Pass-#17
Rush-#22............Rush-#26
Scoring-#29.........Scoring-#29
Sacks-#6 Tie........"OL"-#4
Int's-#12 Tie
....................Punting-#19
Nice match-up and we should take this one in our house...
PantyRaider....4-n-2 Raiders!!!/_
Re: "DHB"...7/99yds "TD"...
His 7 catches amounted to 46% of "CJ"s completions -n- 52% of his total yds...
Plus "DHB" had 2-3 other catches that were out of bounds because "JC" couldn't place the ball where it could be a reception...
"DHB"s heart -n- commitment to shake off those tackles and run for that score was enough to bring this "V" to life...
Whether he ever merits that 1st rd pick in your opinions or not...This guy is a player and a true Raider willing to give it all for his team and his coaches...
He thanked Al Davis in the very best way possible...By playing his heart out on that "Grid Iron"!!!
Like Psycho -n- BlandaRocked posted...
"a bunch of "typical Al Davis BUSTS" make huge plays"
Amen Bro!!!
For all the HC hirings and firings, it would appear that Al Davis has left us with the best one in Hue Jackson. Clearly, no HC has inspired more and coached this team better in the last decade, probably longer.
I can't wait to see what he does next.
RIP Al Davis
SCAR
DHB was quite remarkable on this day. After every play he was pumping his fists, saying "give me the ball." DHB is no longer a quiet non-entity. He is now an NFL deep threat.
blanda,
he's no longer a decoy... his development will open up the passing lanes for ford, moore and hagan...
A lot of talking heads are already saying that Mark Davis needs to hire a GM who has been with the Raiders to oversee all football operations; a few suggested Matt Millen (NO!).
I think Mark knows that, and has even admitted it. Peter King took it a step further on NBC last night saying that Mark needs help to run the overall organization. No Peter, that is why Amy Trask is there, moron!
Here are a list of people I wouldn't mind seeing as GM of the Football Operations of the Oakland Raiders:
John Madden
Tom Flores
Tim Brown
Marcus Allen (How about that as a welcome back?)
Art Shell
Howie Long (longshot)
Bill Parcells
RN-75
Are those qualified GM candidates or just an ex-Raider wish list?
Any Raiders fan has to be excited right now for Hue Jackson's opportunity to (as he says) draw from the wealth of knowledge bestowed upon him by Davis, while also making any adjustments needed on the fly to win football games.
This season could get very interesting. My dream is for the Raiders to dedicate every game this year to Al Davis and for the team to place that long-awaited final notch on Al's tremendous legacy as the they ascend through the playoffs.
Go Raiders!
How bout the tribute by the NFL to Mr.Davis? If watching on TV, they asked all stadiums to have a minute of silence for him and then they all cut to commercial. The NFL really had it out for him, this is not a conspiracy theory, the refs being against the Raiders is not a myth. The league screwing the Raiders at any opportunity is not a conspiracy theory...the NFL is rigged and plays to it's favorite owners, that would be Mr.Kraft and Mr.Rooney.
JONES
I have to say that Hue Jackson seems to be the best fit as Head Coach of the Raiders since Tom Flores. I fully understand that Hue hasn't proven anything yet. But the way he calls the plays and designs the scheme to allow each play maker to perform the skills they do best is old school Raider Football. Perhaps the reason Al Davis allowed himself to die was because of the faith he's found in Hue Jackson.
NYR,
John Madden, Tom Flores, Art Shell, and Bill Parcels are experienced in scouting, drafting, and football operations; so yes, they would be "qualified" to do so.
Marcus Allen, Howie Long, and Tim Brown would be a wish list with knowledge as to what to look for in scouting/drafting; and absolutely no experience in football operations. But these 3 players would be the type of candidates Al would mentor (like he did with Gene Upshaw, Fred Blitnekoff, Art Shell, and others) for the position. Besides, they'd still be better than Matt Millen.
When Flores went to Seattle, he was GM as well as HC. He has experience, he knows the NFL because he travels with the team, he's been a two time Superbowl coach for the team. He's worked in every aspect of the organization. He might be a good choice.
RaiderNate75....One would absolutely NOT be welcomed in because of his past history of confrontations with Mr Davis and 2 are nice but Don't fit the job...But I like these:
John Madden
Tom Flores
Bill Parcells
The Davis Family reported that in his death Al left instructions with names of who would be welcome in his stead...The family reported that they will immediately pursue the names on Al's list so I expect to his something shortly...But this will still very much be Al's own hand on this organization as his family does it as Al would have wanted it done...That's the "Raider Way"!!!...
None of these men are young so would be temporary leaders at best but it's unknown if Mark will ever be that needed leader...Matt Millen has the experience but could never hire a decent coach or draft the right players in Detroit...How that translates to the Raiders I'm not sure...
This new face of the franchise will also be at those owners meeting???...Or will that now be Amy Trask or Mark Davis????...Who runs the draft???..."UDFA"s -n- "FA" acquisitions???...Way too many things yet unknown under that "Cone-o-Silence" and will it even lift???
Other Team News:
Terrelle Pryor is now on the regular roster but no transaction has been listed so no player has yet been released....It was speculated that the Raiders may get a roster exemption for a few weeks while their new toy is brought up to speed...Could be so???...
The way "JC" has played...Or should I say failed to play these past 2 weeks is going to raise some question as to his long term value to this team???....But lets NOT get into a "MuleHead" experiment like that "Donkey" who are now promoting Tebow after a 4/10 < 100yd "TD" 2 quarters of play....How ridiculous!!!
PantyRaider...My Boy Has Finally Arived!!!/_
Big John Madden Has Spoken:
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"There’s part of you that says, you know that he’s going to die, but there’s another part that says, Al Davis will never die. It’s Al Davis. Then, you think that he’s sick, he’s not doing well, but he’s a fighter, he’ll fight this, and he’s going to win. Then, you hear the call and you say, well, you shouldn’t be shocked. But it was very, very shocking. I still am. If you really knew him and you were a part of him, he was the most loyal friend or person that you could have. And then there was a lot of people that he didn’t know. Well, of course, he couldn’t be loyal to them. Like I said, Al Davis isn’t for everyone. Everyone’s not going to say that Al Davis is this or that, that he’s perfect, and he’s all these things. But if he’s your friend, if you played for him, if you coached for him, if you were part of the NFL, he was that guy. And there was no one that could be better at being that guy than Al Davis. He stood up for what he believed and he stood up for what he thought was right, not only for him but for other people."
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Yes!!...I believe you John because even though I never got to meet him personally I did get to enjoy the company of those who had both played and coached for him...All those Draft Day parties and Training Camp get to gathers that he put on for us fans who cared enough to be a part....The evidence was in everything that man said and did...
PantyRaider...Thanks John!!!/_
These words from "MM" are what needs to be in every Raiders' heart...
“I’m just a guy from a small town in Kentucky who just loves playing football,” Mitchell said. “And for Mr. Davis to take a shot on me like that, I’ve got to pay it back to him. Somehow, someway, I’ve got to pay it back to him, and the only way I know how to pay it back to him is to bring a championship to him.”
I really think this team will rise up and do what Al Davis did...
Take What You Want!!!
After reading Madden's words it struck me...What better situation than to have both Madden -n- Jackson working together...These 2 fiery spirited "Love the Raiders-n-Al Davis" types are exactly what this team...Organization needs to move forward to "V"....
PantyRaider...Please Let This Be So!!!/_
Just watched the DVR tape of the game after watching it live on Sunday at my new favorite watering hole in the city of El Segundo called Tavern on Main. BTW, El Segundo (5 min. south of LAX) is where the Raiders practiced when the LA Raiders.
One drive that showed the Raiders' resolve, character, and fighting resiliency was at the end of the 1st half. Down 14-6 with less than 2:00 to go, the Raiders had a huge pick-up by McFadden called back on a dubious holding call on Carlisle. Facing a 1st and 20, the Raiders hit 2 pass plays to DHB that led to a critical TD.
What I have really appreciated about this 2011 team is the "never say die" attitude, lack of finger pointing, and ability to move on to the next play when things aren't looking so rosy. The spirit and team espirit de corps is beautiful and a direct reflection of Hue Jackson's leadership.
Maximum effort and a warrior's mentality is all I have ever asked of my team. I can live with the results, ups and downs, when I truly believe the organization is focused and committed to the ultimate goal of winning a championship.
Go Raiders!
Here's tho official word from Hue regarding Terrelle Pryor:
Q: Do you have to make a roster move because of Terrelle Pryor’s return?
A: No, we don’t. obviously we get a weeks exemption on that. He’ll count as the 54th player and until we make a decision exactly what were going to do in that direction then we have to do anything. So I think we’re going to in a really good spot as far as Terrelle Pryor is concerned.
I picked out just a few comments but this entire thing really needs to be digested...Hue says so much and gives us some real insight as to how tings work under that "Cone-o-Silence"....Enjoy!!!
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http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2011/10/10/coach-hue-jackson-talks-about-raiders-past-present-future/
Q: What are you going to miss the most about Mr. Davis?
A: there’s so many things, there’s not one thing in particular. Probably just the conversations, the late night conversations when we would talk about practice, what we need to make sure we took care of how so many years he’s played against so many different teams and he knows have either tried to attack the Raiders or try to defense the raiders. And he goes ‘Hue don’t forget this. Make sure you cover this base. Make sure you think through this.’ And a lot of this things I probably already thought about but it was just reassuring having him say make sure you thought through this. And I’d go yeah, I got it, that means I’m on the right track. So I’ll miss that. But more so than anything I’ll miss him. I’ll just miss the man and what he is. When you have an opportunity to learn from somebody like him and be around him, there’s nothing like it. Nothing.
I’ve sat at this man’s knee for two years and I’ve been involved in that draft. I’ve helped shape this team over the last couple of years as far as draft picks are concerned on this football team. So, I know what they look like, run like, act like, sound like, the whole nine yards.
As I said before, we could go back and forth on a subject. I wasn’t always agreeable and he wasn’t always agreeable but we always agreed when it was all said and done. I think that’s the most important part. We don’t have to see things the same. We don’t have to see things the same. Coach always came from a good place in my opinion. Even when he would say I don’t like this, it wasn’t the fact that he was trying to ‘You better do it this way.’ It was just, ‘Look this is how I see it.’ Anybody can respect that and I did. I’d say ‘OK coach what about this.’ Then he’d think through it and say ‘oh, you got a point.’ That’s how we communicated and I think it worked best for us both.
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Obviously Hue understood how to work with a man like Mr Davis and it showed...This is also along the same lines that Gruden spoke about...Madden -n- Flores knew how to communicate their thoughts as well and now we see into the inner working of this situation threw Hue's testimony...
The fact that many others have failed is upon them...They let their own egos or personal intents -n- desires get in the way of doing the job they were hired to do...Hue did NOT and it showed...
NOT just a "Yes Man" and neither is Bresnahan who was brought back in by Al Davis himself before his death no doubt because he was known -n- trusted...
PantyRaider....Read Thew Every Word And See The Truth Here!!!/_
Nate 75 & NYRaider,
Al davis has left us. but he has left us with a team that is very close.
I believe the Raiders are one good draft away from being a great team for the next decade.
But who can finish this masterpiece ?
Who can complete this team in a way that would make Al Davis proud ?
There is only one man for the job. John Madden.
I say, give Madden a 2 year contract as president/GM.
Let him finish this team, and then hire the man that will lead the Raiders into the future.
In my view, it's the only way that makes sense.
Raider00...
On this we both agree...Madden should be the #1 prospect!!!...Perfect!!!
My #2...Bill Parcels although he has a history of quitting before a job is done......
#3...Tom Flores...He would without question stick a long time...
#4....Matt Milan???...Or any other highly qualified man who knows this business inside and out and already has a love for the Raiders.....
PantyRaider...Not Just A Pretty Face...A Man With That Raider Heart!!!/_
This from the SF Rag:
"If something happened to (me)," Al Davis said, "I'm sure (Madden) would be someone that Carole Davis and Mark Davis would call, along with several others who have been Raiders most of their lives and still have a tremendous loyalty to it."
I really hope that's the direction we go...
Other News:
Pryor now is eligible to practice with the rest of his teammates for the first time since the tail end of training camp. The Raiders received a one-game exemption for Pryor, meaning they don't have to release a player to accommodate Pryor on the 53-man roster until next Monday.
I try and write a haiku a day to keep my sanity . . . Sunday I wrote a Renku (a group of haikus) in honor of a great man who will only be appreciated by we who like to think we understand him, and hopefully history.
Silver linings dim
A black sadness envelopes
A Nations' heads hang
A rogue individual
A rebel visionary
Silver linings shine
Reflecting the long shadow
Of a true giant
Stubborn idealism
Fierce loyalty, compassion
Silver and Black Pride
A far reaching legacy
Al Davis, Raider
Rest in peace Al . . . I never had the courage to live my life as independently as you did, but you have inspired me to follow my individuality as much as possible. You were not a role model, you were an example, of a life lived on one's own terms . . . a latter day cowboy, a pioneer, an American, in the truest sense of each word. You will be missed, but I pray never forgotten.
NYC Raider Fan / Raider Pete / Conch Republican
Great job Raider Pete!
Reading some articles about the demeanor of Al, reminds me of my accounting professor Dr. B.
He told me the one thing that prevented me from being a Wall Street Award winner for the university's business department that I attended, was the fact that I would allow others to cause me to second guess myself.
Those words ring true as I am now doing accounting work where I'm audited and scrutinized, not only by an independent auditor, but my employers. I've allowed those words to be my mantra, and I've never backed down from my answer until I'm shown where my mathematical error is.
Al Davis was that kind of man. He never second guessed his decisions. Even when he was wrong (J-Russ), he used the discouraging comments to try and drive them to success. More often than not, it would pan out; but in the case of J-Russ, and Todd Marinovich come to mind; it did not. Even at his death (which is being reported that he was watching game film), he never second guessed himself.
Over the years, I think that if you look at the mistakes that Al made in both the draft and free agency, they were always regarding character but never talent. Al never wanted to believe that someone with the talent to play in the NFL (and for the Raiders) didn't love the game as much as he did. I can't think of a single case where that isn't true.
Got this e-mail from the Raiders last night. What an amazingly cool gesture:
We value your commitment to The Oakland Raiders as a Season Ticket Holder and we would like to provide you with the opportunity to share with those who are important to you, a special moment as we pay tribute to Al Davis at our game, this Sunday. Your guests, will be our guests.
Please respond if you would like to bring two (2) guests with you to our game vs. the Cleveland Browns, Sunday, October 16, 2011. These tickets will be provided to you, with our compliments.
For an organization that hasn't always been the best about taking care of there season ticket holders, this is an insaneley classy move. I can't wait for Sunday. The atmosphere at the stadium is going to be unbelievable.
BR"...
The talent was always there but some just couldn't develop it or bring it out....
Raider Pete...
Nice job...Do you mind if I pass that on...Or maybe just give you a url where I would have passed it on...
http://www.silverandblackpride.com
The damn "Mediot"s have wasted no time trying to stir the pot and raise questions:
The site says that six months ago, Al Davis spoke with officials backing a new stadium in Los Angeles, but he pulled out, when they insisted on owning a sizeable share of the team. If the team prefers to stay in the Bay Area, several sources say the Raiders might now be receptive to sharing a stadium with the 49ers in Santa Clara.
The source:
Controlling interest in the Raiders is expected to go to Davis’ son, Mark. According to Yahoo! News, that could open the way for changes in the NFL’s stadium construction and franchise relocation plans.
As far as I’m concerned this is nothing but blind ass speculation…For what purpose???
PantyRaider...The Haters Will Always Hate...Even When They're Pretending To Show Respect!!!/_
Derick from Section 344....
This is the same classy organization that kept all it's employees during that lock-out and let them sell tickets to earn their salaries...Al -n- his family will carry on those traditions of love for the fans...
Originally the tickets were controlled by the city of Oakland -n- county of Alameda and handled very badly...I haven't heard many complaints sense the Raiders took over the tickets...
Enjoy your time at this game...Wish the hell I was there Bro!!!
Panty,
I like Parcells. and I know he and Al were great friends.
But we just can't give the keys to an outsider. Not at this moment.
Matt Millen ? A great Raider, but he did such a God awful job in Detroit.
Tom Flores ? I love Tom, but he has zero executive experience.
I cannot believe, if asked, John Madden would say no.
John is the greatest living Raider at this time. He would be the ideal choice.
Last time I saw John Madden, he didn't look very well at all. IMO, John would not be up to the task.
JONES
PantyRaider -
Be my guest, I'd be honored . . .
NYC Raider Fan / Raider Pete / Conch Republican
Thank you Raider Nate 75!
NYC Raider Fan / Raider Pete / Conch Republican
My very first thought, on who would fill in for Al, was John Madden.
I don't think he could do it long term, but as a transitional guy, to help get THE GUY, into place, I think he's perfect.
Parcells I think could work as well, he had a great respect for Al. My big concern though is that he has his own way and if you put a man like him in charge, you have to accept his way going forward.
Flores . . . I love him, but I haven't heard anything about him in a long while. It could be a bit over his head at this time.
Millen came up as well, but wow, we screwed up Detroit something fierce. Maybe it's the old saying though that you need one time to learn and the second to do it right, like Belichick?
My fear is a faceless corporate clone winds up coming in to "bring the Raiders into the new Millennium" and we become just another team with a different uniform. I don't think it'll happen, I'm sure Al Davis had his plans and prep work done, but it's a fear nonetheless.
NYC Raider Fan / Raider Pete / Conch Republican
I've heard from a number of local sources that Al left behind a list of men to contact about football organizational duties in the event of his death. If that's true, can you imagine the honor of being on that list?
I'm hearing that this day was well planned for, but the planning was all confidential as is the case with any estate.
Knowing that his son did not have his football acumen, I think it is very likely that Al left behind such a list. I also think it likely that the men on that list already know they are on that list.
None of this will be discussed publicly, because it's very likely that the men on that list are performing under contracts for other teams.
But I think the best way to try and figure out who might be coming in is to figure out who Al would put on such a list.
Certainly not Parcels because he's not a deep strike guy.
Certainly not Gruden because he's a WC offense guy.
Certainly not Bruce Allen because he's working for Shanahan.
I hear John Madden is on that list, but not to be the guy. He's on the list of people to help make the final determination.
Just saw an interview with Jackson. He said that during the game he kept hearing Al Davis' voice in the back of his head. The voice kept telling him, "Hue, think players, not plays."
I'd mentioned earlier that part of the Davis philosophy, and the reason that he always found something left in "has beens," is because he that he applies it to the eleven individuals on the field. What does the team need right now? What does each man on the field do best? This is part of the reason that Davis knew literally everything there was to know about every player.
Jackson has completely bought into the Al Davis way of doing things. Jackson has completely bought in to Raider football.
And now Jackson is the most powerful Raider Head Coach in nearly fifty years. Al Davis worked right up until the end, and left his team in good hands.
BR - that last paragraph really sums it up.
I'm not a fan of looking to Madden, Flores, etc.
I think that the organization has struggled with looking to the past, in the rear view mirror so to speak, to rediscover its greatness.
Hue Jackson is a good example of how true Raiders can be found and/or bred anew. People with the energy and experience and upside to charge into the future without uprooting the organizational heritage.
That's the type of person I'd like to see in the front office. I don't know who it is, but he or she is out there. Let's find 'em.
Although it would be unconventional, I think Jackson's input into the selection of a GM type executive has some merit.
The relationship between Jackson and the future GM/executive will be critical to the transition and the organization's future success.
I agree RT. There is some relatively young guy out there with the energy, passion, intelligence, moxie, and experience who can keep the Raiders identity in tact, brings fresh ideas to the table, and support Jackson.
CJ, RT most of what I've heard is that there are a group of people identified to select the right man for the job. That's where John Madden's name comes up. Nobody expects him to take over the team at his age, plus he's been away from that kind of work for over thirty years. But he knows the NFL and the talent in it so he's the right guy (or one of them) to find the right guy.
It would not surprise me at all if the ultimate selection was a young guy. That's how Al would have it. But it will have to be a young guy who loves the game as much as Al did.
Using trusted former Raiders like Madden as counsel to Trask, M. Davis, and Jackson would be prudent.
With Trask involved in the business and legal component of the team and Mark Davis being more or less a figure-head, Jackson would seem to be in a position where he would need to endorse and buy-in to any selection.
This is an unusual situation yet fitting for a team that is unconventional in many respects.
The younger prospect would have some advantage as far as longevity and perhaps free thinking and new ideas...But at a loss when it comes to experience -n- wisdom -n- just plain football knowledge and the ability to earn the respect of the other old men in the room...Owners...
Than there's the problem with knowing a young man's heart??...How do you with an outsider???...This is a time tested quality...As in the case of Parcels who threw time has proven to not be a finisher...Al Davis was a very principled man who held to what was very dear to him...No young man is in a position to exemplify that while his dick still runs his head!!!
Do we want to end up with another "JawBone" Hanson???...That could happen...
So I instead look to an old and tested insider or very close and respected friend with tremendous knowledge and experience and the other time tested qualities to be that man in the near future...I see that as a primary need and it's already been reported that some now see the Raiders as vulnerable and attackable...That older man is very much needed for a view of stability and strength!!!
Included with him may be another or a small group of others who would be in training for the position at a later date...I will certainly sign off on that because than we still have that young voice and new ideas without the risk of running the ship aground!!!..Hue is that now!!
But than I'm an old man so view things much differently than the younger mind that's so eager for change that they risk the safety of the ship...
I don't think Al Davis would have left a list of young that placed his organization at such risks???...Like the bringing in of Bresnahan who is older with proven tested loyalties...Not the Winston Moss that I was pimping with all his new tactics learned in "GB"...I see the wisdom in what Al Davis has done so far in leaving his organization in good hand and don' expect to see any swerving from that very wise course now...
PantyRaider...Slow-n-Sure-w-Steady Hand St The Helm!!!/_
This is really remarkable:
"this play has been coined as the Divine Interception"
It turns out, thanks to a heads up from @preston_Jones on Twitter, that the Raiders only had 10 players on the field on Michael Huff’s game-saving interception with no time left Sunday. The 11th man may very well have been the spirit of owner Al Davis, who passed away Saturday and a lot of emotional players pushed themselves for in the comeback win.
http://cdn1.sbnation.com/imported_assets/831921/421571833.jpg
Is there a possibility that the Davis family could lose control of this team???
"They're only talking about Al's ownership which was about 36% even though he had proxies from loyalty owners that gave him full controlling 51%.
fn. whether or not those same owners – loyal to Al – will give their proxy to Carol or Mark remains a question."
WoW!!!...This is NOT a situation I want to have to face...But when Al sold that 20% share in the team a few seasons ago could it have laid the ground work for a later take over???
I hope this info is a spoof....If not some of us have reason to worry!!!
PantyRaider....More To Follow No Doubt!!!/_
The direction of ownership could play a huge role in a future stadium.
If managing ownership is wrestled away from the Davis family, I would guess LA becomes a real possibility, maybe even a shared stadium (ouch!).
No mater what happens I'm a Raider Fan but this is a likelihood that I have never had to consider!!!
The move to LA is not a huge issue to me nor would be a shared stadium...But a total change in philosophy and personality of this franchise would be a devastation to my heart...Than some puke speculates a change in uniforms!!!...No Freakin Way!!!
We are a very proud franchise so the thought of anything like has happened to the Cleveland Browns or Houston Oilers would NOT be acceptable...Even though both clubs have had good winning history as the Baltimore Ravens -n- Tennessee Titans it's not the same..Their past is all but forgotten!!!
That "LA" group was reportedly trying to strong arm the Raiders at some point and met huge resistance from Al Davis...Reportedly they wanted a sizable ownership of the team...Now I'm not sure who this was that purchased a 20% share a few seasons ago or what influence they may have nor what their interests are...Are they at all connected to or working with that "LA" group???
Way too much way too fast to be at peace with these issues...I just hope the hell I'm fretting about nothing!!!...But the shit is crawling out of the woodwork like termites on our ship!!!
PantyRaider....RAID....Kills Bugs Dead!!!/_
On a positive note:
Raiders | Sebastian Janikowski wins AFC honor again
Tue, 11 Oct 2011 20:11:38 -0700
Oakland Raiders PK Sebastian Janikowski was named the AFC Special Teams Player of the Week Tuesday, Oct. 11, after tying an NFL record by kicking three field goals of 50 yards or more in a Week 5 win against the Houston Texans. He was awarded the honor in Week 1 after tying an NFL record with a 63-yard field goal against the Denver Broncos.
Raiders move forward, look to fill GM spot
Oakland Raiders owner Al Davis had served as the team's G.M. from 1963 until his passing on Saturday. The Raiders will now look to hire a general manager, and the club has started the search to find such a person to work in concert with head coach Hue Jackson, according to league sources.
The Raiders' model would likely be set up somewhat like Pittsburgh's, in which coach Mike Tomlin and G.M. Kevin Colbert work in concert.
The Raiders also could hire a consultant, likely an experienced hand like Ernie Accorsi or Ron Wolf, to help them through the rest of this season. Wolf, best known for his success as G.M. of the Green Bay Packers in the '90s, worked for Davis' Raiders for 26 years.
According to nfl.com
L.A. Raiders, Part 2? Team, league might have decision to make
No matter which turn off the freeway the NFL takes in Los Angeles -- towards Ed Roski's project in the Eastern outskirts or Phil Anschutz's downtown facility -- one thing has been consistent and indisputable among folks I've talked to in reporting on all this. And that's the NFL is resolute on not getting just any franchise there, but the right franchise for L.A. The bottom line is the league is determined to get it right this time around. That might mean turning to one team that turned its back on SoCal 16 years ago.
The Raiders have what the NFL is looking for. A built-in fan base. An iconic brand. And the kind of team that could create the kind of "scene" to attract Angelinos in the same manner the Lakers do.
The caveat I always got in discussing the Raiders with those in the know centered on skepticism that Al Davis and the league could work together. Obviously, the future of the franchise is still up in the air. But the team will hire a GM, and once ownership gets sorted out, there'll be a decision to make. And it could be this: Share a stadium with the 49ers in Santa Clara, or bolt for LaLa Land.
PantyRaider...Lots Of Minds At Work But What's The Agenda!!!/_
I seem to be reading things others aren't reading.
LA - Not only has the Davis family rejected LA, but the NFL has as well. The NFL is of the opinion that no NFL team will bite on the conditions currently being offered.
One thing Mark Davis has been doing is scouting and discussing stadium sites in the bay area. That was HIS project.
Personally, with proper funding, I think a stadium site in Oakland would do much to rebuild the city's economy. My feeling is that if Davis gets no interest from Oakland, LA will again be on the table, but not without serious negotiations over control of the team.
For the remainder of this season, the structure of the Raiders will remain exactly as it is, with Hue Jackson taking full responsibility for football operations. If Jackson is successful this season, I think there will be some discussion as to whether Hue should simply retain the power going forward unless it becomes a problem. They would likely provide added assistants to help Hue.
Also, I think the Raiders experience in LA was so bad, there's no way they go back there.
"BR"...
What I posted was right from the NFL site..This is what they be reporting which is why it worries me...
Both articles in my last post are now posted at nfl.com...
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8230a97e/article/la-raiders-part-2-team-league-might-have-decision-to-make
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d823084fc/article/raiders-move-forward-look-to-fill-gm-spot
Clearly, the circumstances have changed and past options may again become future options in terms of a stadium.
My understanding is that the Raiders currently play in the oldest (and least desirable from a marketing standpoint) stadium in the league.
I can't imagine Davis and Trask were fielding many stadium options prior to his death. For that reason, and the economy, I would say all options are probably back on the table (or soon will be).
That said, I did read somewhere in the media speculation that LA didn't want the Raiders but I don't believe the NFL would ever say anything like that or attempt to block a move while Davis was alive (lawsuit!).
As for Hue Jackson moving forward as GM (or with GM authority), he's a rookie HC. Hopefully, the Raiders don't plan on piling GM responsibility on top of that.
Shanahan once ordered QB to throw at Al Davis
Now this is some stupid shit...That "Rat" is a total Punk!!!
http://eye-on-football.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22475988/32664976
PantyRaider....Way Too Funny!!!/_
Panty, the NFL isn't the best source. I watched the NFL channel all weekend and they had plenty of misinformation. For most of the day, their anchor wasn't old enough to even remember that Al got to the Superbowl in 2002.
Most of my information is coming from brief interviews with longtime Raider loyalists and Raider staff. It seems the Raider organization has been a little more forthcoming with information since Davis' death. To a certain degree, that will be necessary.
Also, I'm betting that Davis made Hue aware that he might find himself in this position. Which is one reason why I believe Hue has been the most loyal Raider coach since Madden.
OK "BR"...
I never want this crap to come down on us but I'm just highly concerned...I should expect it with the way those damn "Midiot"s bashed him in life that they would continue to make digs in his death too...
Anything to upset the ship!!!
"BR"....
Here's another post you may have already seen...
With Al Davis gone, who will run Raiders?
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/10/11/SPOF1LGCCQ.DTL
They spread around several names supposedly on some list...How much is just speculations in unknown???
aaron curry is now a raider...
here's the link to the story on inside bay area sports:
http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders/ci_19097801
here's the espn link:
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7093244/seattle-seahawks-trade-aaron-curry-oakland-raiders-sources-say
Scorpio!!!
Great News!!...I have been pimping him like I did for Pryor...Can't believe I keep getting my wish!!!
Seattle will receive a seventh-round pick in 2012 and a mid-round conditional pick (fourth or fifth round) in 2013 based on Curry’s playing time with Oakland, a source told ESPN senior NFL analyst Chris Mortensen.
I remember Curry from the draft and he seems like a good risk. Great athelete who needs a little coaching. Plus, injuries to Ricky Brown (IR) and McClain make this a sound move for depth.
In the recent past I may have questioned the Raiders' ability to coach up players like this, but recent evidence suggests they can. Moss, Groves and, to some extent, Wimbley were all rejects from their previous teams.
Hmm. Unless the Raiders went on Al Davis autopilot, this move has the makings of a well-coordinated team effort... and not very expensive. If we end up losing a mid-round pick for Curry that will only mean he has earned it.
3 viable candidates to join the Raiders in an executive capacity in 2012.
These men were mentioned in a SF Gate post today;
Tom Gamble
-24 NFL Seasons; 7 with SF
-Promoted to Dir. of Player
Personnel by SF in 2011
-College and Pro scouting; contract negotiations; coaching
George Kokinis
-44 years old
-Former GM of Cleveland
-Dir. of Pro Personnel with Ravens for 5 seasons
-Analyzed NFL rosters, free agent market; and assisted in contract negotiations; scout
Scott McCloughan
- Former GM of SF
- relieved by SF as GM in 2010
- Father is a long time scout of Raiders
According to the SF Gate article, all 3 of these guys were mentioned in the infamous letter of Al.
We shall see how this all pans out over the next 4 months. Ideally, we would be best served to start the process of vetting candidates, putting out feelers in the next month or two to hopefully be able to get someone on board by February of 2012.
NYR...
We're also are on the hook for Curry's top draft cost in a year when that cost was very high...He restructured but the overall cost is still there...But he was the #4 pick prior to our taking "DHB" and listed as the best athlete and fast!!!
Curry is very much an Al Davis type prospect and I suspect the interest was there before Al passed on...
I watched the game again. Rolondo McClain may be out this Sunday. On the play he was injured one blocker had him engaged high and another came in below the knee. I thought that was an illegal chop block?
McClain hopped off the filed on one foot after the play. He returned later but was slowed.
Just an observation.
H
they let bruce davis go to make room for curry... hmmm...
calico - PLEASE not scott mcCloughan! there's a reason he was fired (or resigned) from the whiners. look at what happened under his watch there...
Big Tuna for GM!!!!!
-moshbucket
-moshbucket
I like "Tuna" but he's not a finisher...He seems to tire and want out repeatedly...He hasn't left Miami is such great hands either...But that there was that change of ownership???
Now it appears an agent was on that list???....Well he must have had a very good working relationship with Mr Davis and he would know how to negotiate contracts???
Robert London...
"Apparently the Oakland Raiders have realized two things about Mr. London; his competency as a talent evaluator as he’s handpicked successful to-be NFL players as clients, and also his understanding in harmony, structure and organization within the composition of a football team."
I don't expect one body to fill the entire role played out by The Late Mr Davis....I would expect a new chain of command to be established with ownership at the top...Perhaps something like this:
Ownership...Mark Davis
Chief Executive...Amy Trask
Consultant....John Madden
"GM"....Contracts/Negotiating -n- such
Chief of Football Operations...???...Tom Flores
"HC"....Hue Jackson
No one will ever do all that Al did again!!
PantyRaider...New Internal Structure Without Turmoil!!!/_
Scorpio,
In regards to McCloughan, he is well qualified, lives in the Bay Area, well versed in the Raider culture, and the son of one of our long time scouts. He shouldn't be dismissed as a legit, viable candidate just because he didn't pan out in SF. As you well know, players, coaches, and executives when given a 2nd chance in Oakland can work out quite nicely. Also, as you probably know, when McCloughan was GM, the SF organization was in turmoil. Some of the key players that McCloughan was involved in are performing at a high level such as Alex Smith, Gore, Willis, etc.
Bruce Davis II Gone...???...
So we didn't add a "LB" we just upgraded that position...Bruce may be back at some point...It's been a bit of a swinging door this season...
The team also worked out several no name "LB"s this week..."DB"/"OL" as well...Maybe future considerations due to possible injury...
Some speculated with an injury to "DeathRo" Curry was added to take his place...Not so says Hue...It looks like it will be Whimbley/McClain/Curry as the starter...Prolley in week #7 before our bye...
My boy Pryor is practicing and Hue says he's a "QB"...Now we have a #3...Prolley won't be active until after the bye???
PantyRaider...I'm Really Liking It!!!/_
This just in:
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“The Oakland Raiders have inquired with several NFL front-office executives, including Baltimore Ravens director of player personnel Eric DeCosta, about their general manager position, league sources said Thursday.
The Raiders, who are reworking their front office after the death of longtime owner Al Davis, are contacting candidates to oversee their front office. Coach Hue Jackson and his staff now hold considerable personnel power and also could under a new arrangement.
DeCosta, a 40-year-old who long has been considered one of the elite young personnel men in the league, is on Oakland’s target list, and he worked with Jackson in Baltimore. However, DeCosta has turned down several opportunities in the past and is considered the Ravens’ GM-in-waiting for whenever Ozzie Newsome retires.
It’s highly unlikely that DeCosta will leave Baltimore, given his deep roots in the organization and what it might take to tempt him to depart."
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8231b1ea/article/raiders-begin-leaguewide-search-for-gm-to-replace-davis?module=HP11_headline_stack
I'd take McCloughan in a minute. The 49ers went down because of the Yorks, not McCloughan.
DeCosta is also a smart choice. One of the things I respect him for is his participation in creating an entire team vision for the Ravens after being the Browns. Most folks would have been happy to say, "Hey, we used to be the Browns." But the way things are, few even remember that the Ravens used to be the Browns.
Granted, DeCosta can continue to be the Ravens GM in waiting, or he could chose to be the Raiders GM right now (or at least in 2012).
BR...
It's rather funny but threw the acquisition of Hue the Raiders are becoming the "Ravens West" in several ways...Not that I mind...Sense moving out of the "Dawg Pound" their team has been very tough and usually posted very good records even playing in the same division as Pitts...This is something worth coping is a Raider sorta way...
Now if we can just play more like them on "D" we be something!!!
PantyRaider...NO Saragossa Flops Allowed!!!/_
Jerrymcd Jerry McDonald
Aaron Curry is going straight to the starting lineup as weakside linebacker, replacing Quentin Groves. After one practice. Bold.
Funny, I think Groves has played fairly well. Shows what little I know. I believe McClain has struggled as much as any of our LBs.
He seems too slow to the ball on running plays and often struggles to shed blocks and make tackles. Sometimes he engages blockers instead of finding the ball carrier or remaining discipline in his gap assignment.
Fortunately, he's a guy that works hard to make himself better, much like DHB seems to have found his game through hard work.
New take is up: Mark Davis, badass.
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