Boom Go The Raiders!
Hue Jackson was fired today, and I am neither surprised nor upset by the news, as promised.
Here's what Jackson said about McKenzie: “He’s going to gut this place. He wants to bring in his own guys. No job is safe right now.”
No job is safe? With those four words, our defense just got a lot better, and the standards of professionalism in Alameda just got raised.
Simply put, McKenzie has decided to pave a new Raider Way, and that's fine by me. When you don't post a winning record in nine seasons, a major shakeup is in order, not to mention long overdue.
We've already been down the road of half measures, and that hasn't worked. The tree is being uprooted, and I expect it to produce much tastier fruits in the near future.
This new Raider Way is simply about returning to the original Raider Way, which was all about winning.
And I think we can expect to see a lot more of that over the next few years.
Here's what Jackson said about McKenzie: “He’s going to gut this place. He wants to bring in his own guys. No job is safe right now.”
No job is safe? With those four words, our defense just got a lot better, and the standards of professionalism in Alameda just got raised.
Simply put, McKenzie has decided to pave a new Raider Way, and that's fine by me. When you don't post a winning record in nine seasons, a major shakeup is in order, not to mention long overdue.
We've already been down the road of half measures, and that hasn't worked. The tree is being uprooted, and I expect it to produce much tastier fruits in the near future.
This new Raider Way is simply about returning to the original Raider Way, which was all about winning.
And I think we can expect to see a lot more of that over the next few years.
posted by Raider Take at 12:15 PM
214 Comments:
About 8 years too late.
And you all thought I was crazy....looks like McKenzie saw it like I did...now, I WILL give myself a big pat on the back....the truth lives on. I won't point out those who are now making out like they expected this (Gary, Panty, NYR, H, Blanda, Roy)....GO RAIDERS AND GO REGGIE MCKENZIE.
JONES
I look forward to a future of boring Raider offseasons, not because of complacency, but because the organization is so stable and well-run that it does not need the drama.
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Eh, JONES, none of us here said that Jackson wasn't going. We simply didn't know. We offered reasons why McKenzie should consider keeping him.
We also understand (and have so stated) reasons why he might be gone.
So don't break that arm of yours patting yourself on the back.
You know, I liked Hue Jackson and would have supported him returning to the Raiders, despite some of his coaching and personnel gaffs. But this is a great day IMO. Finally, the Raiders can lift themselves out of the karmic sludge that remained from the Al Davis era. Davis was a great innovator at one time, but he ran the team poorly (for the most part) during the late 80's onward. The organization has been in a shambles for decades, and I'm glad Mark Davis sees fit to bring the Raiders into the 21st century. I'm not dissing Al. I'm looking forward to a brighter future.
Jones,
Please point out where I acted like this was going to happen. I am stunned and upset. I think McKenzie owns it now and he had better produce a top flight organization in three years or he should be fired.
Roy
Jones,
If we don't go 8-8 this year than you can pat yourself on the back for encouraging us the Raiders to take a step backwards.
Roy
to continue what blanda said as the past post on the last take:
yeah, hopefully he'll now concentrate on keeping this team in oakland. let alone keeping the team...
"because at the moment I'm deflated..."
As you should be, because everything you think is down, is up, you are backward and will never, ever figure out what is right and wrong....be on your way and don't come back, hopefully. The Raider nation doesn't need clowns, we need TRUE Raider fans who understand what is good for the TEAM and not their own personal ego.
JONES
"Jones,
If we don't go 8-8 this year than you can pat yourself on the back for encouraging us the Raiders to take a step backwards"
So you aren't 'endorsing' Reggie McKenzie? Crier o tears...LOL. If you think this is a step backwards, then you don't know SHIT.
JONES
Monte Poole: Did Mark Davis make the call on Hue Jackson's firing?
But Oakland's new general manager, Reggie McKenzie, thought otherwise and informed Jackson that his services no longer were needed.
Though McKenzie made the decision, there are strong indications that this was at the direction of new owner Mark Davis.
"I think Mark wants to make some changes going forward, to put his stamp on things,'' Jackson said. "I can understand that. That's his right.''
If true, that should sound an alarm for the Raiders and their fans.
Mark Davis is the son of Al Davis, who very much was a football man. Mark, however, is not a football man.
Mark Davis is a longtime Raiders fan, a very passionate one, who counts dozens of former players among his friends and acquaintances. Since gaining the right of authority upon the death of his father last Oct 8, Mark Davis -- according to several sources -- has not been a frequent presence at team headquarters.
That's not surprising inasmuch as Mark, a personable fellow who has enjoyed the lifestyle afforded as the son of a famous sports figure, has no real executive experience.
That's why it was for Mark Davis, as he sought to hire a GM, to seek the advice of such NFL figures as John Madden and Ron Wolf and Ken Herock, all of whom formerly worked for Al Davis.
If
McKenzie made a unilateral decision, it must be respected and implies he has his own vision.
It's conceivable, though, that McKenzie's call came at Davis' behest -- and possibly with the blessings of Madden and Wolf and Herock.
All three are familiar with the organization and know the ins and outs of the NFL.
All three are equipped to make serious decisions about the future of the team.
So if they advised Mark Davis that Jackson should be fired, it's a much more palatable decision.
But if Mark Davis suddenly fancies himself a football man, the Raiders are in trouble.
If you think you know the future you are dumber than you sound. I am hopeful McKenzie can take this organization to the future. However, I have zero insider knowledge. Perhaps you do.
I am hopeful because even if McKenzie does not workout, I have confidence that Mark Davis will fire him and try again.
Roy
...um, is this JONES TAKE or RAIDER TAKE...? Jones, with all due respect, start your own blog. Take, powerful post... "over the next few years"... could be, but at least the ship has turned and wind's in the sails... already! Wonder if the New Autumn Wing will blow to the new NFL Los Angeles? Hmmm...
"Jones,
Please point out where I acted like this was going to happen. I am stunned and upset. I think McKenzie owns it now and he had better produce a top flight organization in three years or he should be fired."
This is freakin hilarious, you are stunned? GOOD, it's what Raiderville has needed for a VERY LONG TIME. For you to be stunned...well, I won't call names, but, I tried to make it clear on this board FOREVER, no one would listen. Reggie McKenzie agrees and that is all that matters RIGHT NOW. Thank you Reggie, Ron, John...all true Raiders that will bring this franchise back to where it belongs and all you haters can just sit down and watch.
JONES
...wind, of course...
"...um, is this JONES TAKE or RAIDER TAKE...? Jones, with all due respect, start your own blog"
Wow, what a clown, a socalled 'reborn Raider' who just recently started writing his absurd BULLSHIT on this board is telling me to go away...hey OTB/Jethro, screw you and your stupid ass games on here. You are not a serious fan and anything you write is not worthy of wiping my ass with. Go back to Chargerville, you phony jerk.
JONES
"If you think you know the future you are dumber than you sound"
Do you know how dumb that statement is? Lash out at me, go for it, if it makes you feel better. Reggie McKenzie WILL MAKE THE RAIDERS A PROUD ORG ONCE AGAIN. All you doubters just have no clue, don't blame me for that.
JONES
"I am hopeful because even if McKenzie does not workout, I have confidence that Mark Davis will fire him and try again."
I will ask again, lol, do you not endorse Reggie McKenzie? Are uyou already jumping ship?
JONES
So, does that mean you cannot find where I wrote I expected this?
As I said, I am on board, but McKenzie is on the clock. He is starting over, so this is all his now. I truly wish him the best and want nothing more than a good football team with a top notch front office.
Time will tell. After I digest this crap sandwich, I will probably begin to feel minty fresh.
Roy
Jones... dont get so miffed... thats sorta complimentary... you have so much time and so much to say... why not? Most of your posts are combative anyway.
Too bad OTB, paint me anyway you want, the Raiders have turned a corner and it's a great day. I'm not going anywhere OTB, maybe you should look in the mirror.
JONES
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This is my basic objection here, JONES. Do you feel that it's not enough to be right about something, that others must feel bad about it?
Really?
So what about Amy Trask, is she next? She is the main face of the Al Davis years, so if we are truly cleaning house it seems like she should go also.
Roy
Go get some air, Jethro, and take your sidekick with ya. You both/same are nothing but posers anyway, no value to anything you write.
JONES
"This is my basic objection here, JONES. Do you feel that it's not enough to be right about something, that others must feel bad about it?"
Ever since I started on this site, Blanda, your main objective was to try and make "me feel bad about it"...it's just a little payback, try and take it like a man, Blanda.
JONES
I'm not surprised, nor am I upset by it. I'm waiting see who McKenzie brings in before we get all excited though.
With GB's defense, I'm not sold on Moss and Perry. I will be willing to let them prove me wrong, if they are indeed hired. I'm not sold on Del Rio as Head Coach either. He's more of a DC to me. Do we interview Jeff Fisher? Do we interview Brian Schottenheimer? I'm excited. I liked Hue, I thought he would do well with some of his authority removed. At the same time, I'm not mad he's gone either.
Smell that? It is smelling "minty fresh" in the high seas of the NFL, because the pirate ship has been seen making a turn, and the cannons are in broad daylight! THE AUTUMN WIND IS A RAIDER! JUST WIN, BABY!!!!!
"try and take it like a man, Blanda." If you're the example, I'll remain a child. Thanks.
I personally would like to see Amy Trask let go, but with a new GM in place, that is probably not necessary. We already saw what a true GM/coaching combo could do with this franchise during some of Al's more chaotic years (lawsuits, theft, poor personnel decisions [Jeff George, etc.]). So I feel this move alone puts on back on the path to success. The next stage is to rid the franchise of players who consistently fail to improve from year to year. And as sad as it is to say, all of these speedy, injury-prone flakes need to go to make room for group of players made of sturdier stock.
I'll feel minty fresh if we get past 8-8 in 2012.
"I'm waiting see who McKenzie brings in before we get all excited though."
You can bet that ALL the candidates for a HC position in the NFL will want to speak to Mr.McKenzie. Oakland Raider HC job just became one of the hottest jobs to have in the NFL. No longer will HC candidates cross off Oakland on their list before even being interviewed. A storied franchise with a great history, great fans who are CRYING for a team that will bring back the Mystique to Oakland. If Reggie can't do it, then pack it up and go to LALA.
JONES
"try and take it like a man, Blanda." If you're the example, I'll remain a child. Thanks."
Awww, you can give it but can't take it, hey Blanda? A man might give credit to someone who basically told you what was up, but you can't find that, hey Blanda? That would be an action of a child, so you are right on this one, good job.
JONES
"I personally would like to see Amy Trask let go"
Amy only handles legal matters, she has no say in football operations. I'm sure Mark will keep her.
JONES
I can't say I always agree with you and your methods Jones, but you are exactly right as far as coaching candidates and even FA players are concerned. A new GM allows the franchise a lot more option moving into the future. I wouldn't say we offer one of the hottest jobs just yet, but that may change as we hear more from Reggie about the direction the franchise is going to take.
Oh, I'm sure Mark will keep Amy too. But I'd prefer to see her move on myself.
Blow up the whole building. It's been said (Kiffin and Gannon come to mind) and I've supported it. So firing Jackson is ok by me, so long as McKenzie is acting on his own and in the best interest of developing a winning program.
I guess I'm kind of stunned, disappointed and excited all at the same time.
This is new territory!
On surface, for non-fans, the Raiders maybe look like this is just another annual HC transition... ho hum. For the fans, this could be the start of something really special.
P.S. Jones, while you made your vote against Jackson crystal clear, his departure was far from certain. Only a few posts ago, you stated Jackson was 50/50 to remain.
I am dying to watch the press conference. Hopefully, the stream is stable and none of my coworkers try and bother me.
Roy
Well, Mr Grape....my methods have evolved with who I have dealt with on this blog, when in Rome....Reggie McKenzie is very highly respected throughout the league. His wiping away of the coaching staff shows the rest of the NFL that he is in control and everyone knows that he is a top Executive. It instantly shows that the dysfunction that has been pointed out many times here, is GONE. It will be run in a highly professional manner and will be a top Org in the very near future.
Mark Davis, Ron Wolf, John Madden etc, took this job of restructuring the Raiders very seriously and they are proven top minds of the game. If McKenzie was to fail, it will not just be a failure of his own. McKenzie is the man and Wolf and Madden will be close by for any more input needed from themselves....Now tell me, how can you beat this?
JONES
Where can we watch it on the Internet?
I never stated the odds of Jackson staying or going, I gave my personal opinion on the matter. If you aren't going to be honest.....maybe you got me mixed up with someone on another "gig"?
JONES
The only name that would get me really excited at this point is Bill Cowher who knew how to use Cordel Stewart as the "Slash"....That would be great for Pryor and bring very exciting "O" football to OakTown...
That's what sucks about losing Hue...He was exciting!!!...Ya never knew what he would pull out of his ass....I will really miss that now unless the new guy has some imagination...
There has been some speculation about bringing in "GB"s "O" -n- "D"...That would be kool too...
PantyRaider....Uncharted Waters!!!/_
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http://www.raiders.com/media-vault/videos/Live-Stream/2ee68084-1565-4d22-94a1-4edca444a489
here is the stream.
Roy
It's On!!!!!
Roy
I felt so deflated after this season. Then we hired McKenzie and I felt a bit of air fill me up. Then this morning when I read we fired Hue, I am now floating. Last year, as the season wore on, I actually watched more and more of Tom Cable's pressers and this year, I turned off the sound whenever I saw Hue. Didn't trust a word out of that mouth. The pedicure cemented my image of him - it was all about Hue and never about the Raiders. Good riddance. I can wear my Raiders gear again.
Well I sincerely wish McKenzie the best and I am hoping beyond hope that he can bring stability and legitimacy to the Raiders.
This is a historic moment for our franchise!
Roy
Jones - my apology. I checked the last thread. It was CJ that made the 50/50 prediction. Go ahead and pat yourself on the back, again.
The NFL network is also going to show the news conference live.
Roy
"A bomb needs to go off in the building and blow the whole up. Start from the beginning," said Rich Gannon. Bet Gannon is smiling right now. Because I am too.
Next in line to be fired: John H!!!!!!
A new era of Raider's football has begun. Time to start adding those trophies to the family.
Look, no one should be surprised by Jackson's firing.
Raiders lost 4 of last 5 games, and played poorly.
Jackson went out on limb for Carson Palmer, and limb broke off.
By the end, Jackson simply appeared a defeated man. Not the face a new GM wants to stamp on the organization.
I mean really. Jackson looked like he was going to faint at end of every game. Even the wins.
He looked disoriented.
I think the stress was too much for him.
It's better that the Raiders start fresh, and move ahead.
Cowher? Yes! or... Gruden II, perhaps? Nice vision there... Del Rio seems like an awful match. But yes... were a Blue Chip value at this point... no, no... Black Chip.
Is the streaming working for anybody? I just get "loading". Not sure if it's my work's firewall or if it just hasn't started yet.
NYR, you are alright in my book, I'm into good football discussion but I can be a little annoying at times...but with the company in this blog, how can you keep a 'nice tone' to anyone? Since I joined this blog, you all have taken runs at me for the message I gave. FINALLY, it's here and there ain't nothin finer than stickin it to a whiner. So, today is redemption day for the TEAM and myself somewhat. So, I might have some bravado today, but it will fade.....a great day for our team, NYR!!!!!!!!!!!
JONES
"We're moving into a new era..."
-McKenzie
Listening via the radio, and McKenzie sounds fired up.
The decision to fire Hue was made prior to this morning.
That's interesting.
Gannons take on Sirius was serously spot on... google it.
SOOOOooo what happens to the Raiders if Carson is all pissed because he is a Jackson guy, and he retires again?
We're just SOL?
And we fire a rookie coach for making rookie mistakes and we will now prolly bring in a ROOKIE coach??
Back to five win seasons for awhile again.
This reminds me of the Bronco's a few years ago...
Oh well. At least JONES is happy!
The stream is working perfect for me. I am really impressed with Mark Davis. I like that he knows what he does not know. That is key.
Roy
"Empower the head coach to hire his staff...."
What a great concept!
Chain of command?
What a concept!
There's only ONE person I want to here from right now... CARSON PALMER! If he is not happy... guess what? Not only do we not have our two draft picks, we don't have a QB again next season. The guy wanted to retire last year because he didn't like Cinci... you think he will like being bullied by a green horn GM??
What does McKenzie do.. get down on his knees and fellate Campbell so he comes back??
LOL! McKenzie very subtly bashed the Carson trade.
Palmer is a good QB.
The trade not so much.
He's talking about not having enough draft picks and managing the cap and being creative in college FA's etc.
Roy -
Agreed! I can't help but like Mark Davis.
Gary...you are pathetic. Palmer will fully endorse what McKenzie brings him. The 'crew' are really showing their colors today.
JONES
"We are going to improve every aspect of this organization."
-McKenzie
"I'm an observer, and patient as an owner" - Mark Davis
"I'm home!" - Reggie McKenzie
"I'm going to let the coach hire his own guys." - Reggie McKenzie
"I've given Reggie complete power to make decisions on the football side. I will consult with him, but my role is much more different, and I will be able to focus on those things again with Reggie overseeing the football side." - Mark Davis
"Change started October 8th when my dad passed." - Mark Davis
"The time is now!" - Both Mark Davis and Reggie McKenzie.
HELL YEAH! I'M FIRED UP NOW! JUST WIN, BABY!!!
Hiring McKenzie maintains Raiders tradition and turns the organization 180 degress all at the same time.
Brilliant!
I haven't felt this kind of buzz in a Raiders' organization presser in a long long time! I'm sitting in Austin watching this online, and I can feel the energy! I'm excited about the changes being talked about.
The bottom line, there seems to be a "Commitment to Excellence" again. Mark Davis is not his father, and Reggie McKenzie has brought big brass ones, that this organization has lacked. THE RAIDERS ARE BACK! JUST WIN, BABY!
McKenzie wants a HC that helps him create continuity throughout the organization.
I get that. I get that jackson might not be the guy to provide that.
It is over! In McKenzie I trust.
Although I disagree with the decision to fire Hue, I can understand him wanting to bring in his guys. This is now his team and he must take full responsibility.
He said all the right things. Now he must do it.
Roy
McKenzie's slow and deliberate presentation wasn't nearly as powerful as his overall message. His way of thinking about the organization, its structure, coaching, player personnel, etc., was a home run in my book.
I can't wait!
I would not be surprised to see Raiders re-sign J. Campbell.
Maybe shop Palmer around to see what offers are out there.
You think the Jets would give their #1 pick for Palmer ?
I bet they'd should think hard about it.
It will be fun to watch the Raiders climb to the top again.
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raider00,
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
deer in the headlights jason campbell? NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
i will personally start a "fire reggie mckenzie" campaign! jason campbell - wow! we are moving forward, NOT backward. no dosrespect intended 00 but i strongly disagree with that.
GREAT DAY IN OAKTOWN... ...bought an ol skool logo decal like my mugshot here yesterday... in advance...to celebrate today. $2 on ebay... buy em up b4 the price rises... because Raider Nation Penny Stock is going to the moon! Juz Win Baby!!!
So if we trade Palmer (who might still just say fuck it and retire) and its not Campbell (BTW, who is NOT a SB quality QB) how is McKenzie going to get anywhere near 8 wins again next year?
Thats my biggest concern... going forward.
This may be a great thing LONG TERM, and I'm usually a long term thinker... but this team was built to win NOW with a healthy McFadden next year.
Why start over NOW???
I went to this other site, called Silver and Black pride.....they are all bashing the News Conference and saying that Mark Davis looks like he is auditioning for the new "Dumb and Dumber" movie. They are saying that Mckenzie doesn't sound like a GM etc. The more I look around these blogs, I see a few who think the team is in trouble now....how can people be so off base? Come on Raider Nation, show some brains here.
JONES
gary,
as pantyraider would say prrrryyyyoooorrrrrr!! just kidding of course!
i say we let the guy do his job. he is one of the best at spotting talent and i'm SURE he will do something to get us back in the high rounds of the draft and find the right free agents (both pro and college). bottom line is, let's trust this guy to help build us a bully errr, WINNER!
"This may be a great thing LONG TERM, and I'm usually a long term thinker... but this team was built to win NOW with a healthy McFadden next year.
Why start over NOW???"
Gary, you haven't a clue, just sit back and watch him do his job. You will be impressed, I assure you.
JONES
I am confident Carson will play. He wanted out of a dysfunctional organization and he got his wish. He took a pay cut to play this year, so he should be good. We cannot trade him because we would lose our ass. He is going to be our QB for the next 2 years at least.
Roy
had to listen to the reggie mc PC on the radio. now watching on CSN bay area.
mark sounded firm and sure of himself. but ummmm, dude's gotta lose the bangs...
:o)
Did anyone that listened to the entire presser hear a question like "What does Carson Palmer think about all this?"
I heard McKenzie say he was bringing in someone to challenge Palmer, which doesn't exactly give a ringing endorsement to him...
This COULD be a grease fire short term.
Long term... I think we will be ok.
All I am saying is just because we have a hotshot GM with a pedigree... doesn't mean this couldn't be a greasefire. Look at what happened in Denver with the new GM and the horrendous Cutler trade.
McDanials and company had a great pedigree too... I am just skeptical here.
This was 3 years too late... at best.
Like I said.. I am all in on long term prospects.. but get used to a few more 8-8 seasons if we Carson isn't on board here...
"I heard McKenzie say he was bringing in someone to challenge Palmer, which doesn't exactly give a ringing endorsement to him..."
He said it in a way that EVERY PLAYER will have competition at their position and Palmer will be no exception. By using this method, PLAYERS GET BETTER and you have a higher level of performance. Sit down, Gary, adults are talking.....thought you might like that one.
JONES
"This was 3 years too late... at best."
All 3 of those yrs you were kicking and screaming to be patient and that the Org was knocking it out of the park...hypocricy, while claiming it of others....look in the mirror.
JONES
McKenzie's approach is sound. He isn't making decisions on Carson Palmer, or anyone else without thorough evaluation. He showed class by not throwing Jackson under the bus by detailing the reasons for his being ousted.
Give the man some time.
I love that the entire defensive coaching staff is hanging by a thread.
What scares me is Winston Moss. What has he accomplished to become an HC. GB's defense is horrendous. I hope McKenzie is not relying on people he is comfortable with just for comforts sake. I am all for Raiding GB's front office but their defense?
This is going to be the most exciting offseason I can remember.
Roy
After the presser I'm a bigger Mark Davis fan and a Reggie fan.
As I thought, McKenzie parted with Jackson simply because he wanted to start the new regime with his own people from top to bottom.
On CSN they had Ratto, who was doing his usual job of making stuff up. I've never seen anyone quite so certain of what others are thinking without ever even speaking to them.
McKenzie was asked about Palmer. He said as a personnel guy he loves his draft choices, but Palmer was a necessary effort to keep the team winning. McKenzie believes Palmer is a "very good Quarterback."
I don't know quite why people think Palmer is going anywhere. He was considered an elite QB before he got here, and sitting out a half of a season doesn't change that.
My own opinion is that Palmer is the best QB we have, and better than we are likely to get any time soon. I don't know how Pryor will pan out in the long run, but now is the time to bring in the future and have him learn from Palmer for about 2 or 3 years.
Palmer is no savior. A good qb who had a couple of great seasons; his reaction time is a bit slower at this point. We need a coach who can train Palmer to protect the ball. Dude is a turnover machine.
I can't believe ANYONE would even suggest that Palmer be cut. We gave up a 1st round pick in 2012, and at least 2nd round pick in 2013 to get him. So you think we gave up too much. Now you want to cut him and have nothing for two much? Not every situation is addition by subtraction. Addition by subtraction is a rare thing, not for every situation.
Change. Love it.
Btw, I didn't notice any posts that said Palmer should be cut.
Regarding Carson Palmer.
Call up NY Jets right now.
Jets Qb, Sanchez, took team into toilet.
Jets have the D, but need a QB. They want to win now, and might give up their #1, for a vet Qb like Palmer.
It's worth a try.
You guys don't want J. Campbell back. Fine. OK, no Campbell.
Where to get a QB ? I dunno.
Does Tim Tebow have a brother ? Lol.
"I want some guys who love to play the game, that’s going to play hard, that’s going to play tough. That’s what I’m looking for. I’m looking for some guys who want to play and want to win." -McKenzie
I think there are a lot of players on this roster that may be finding another job soon. Players that earned a lifetime scholarship to start, and will no longer start. Players that have been hidden and benched, may now come into the light to play. Injury proned players who haven't completed a season may be gone soon.
After the "firing" of Jackson, I don't think McKenzie is fooling around. He's sat back like the rest of us, and watched the franchise he loves fall apart. Now is the time!
The autumn wind is a Raider, the autumn wind is changing. The pirate ship is turning, and his cannons are a blazing! There's a new captain aboard, a new growl and grimace; that has left our enemies quaking!
JUST WIN, BABY!
Btw, who the hell cares what Carson Palmer thinks? His job is to shut up and play like the qb he was six years ago. Good grief.
I think we should hold off on the fire sale of players.
Let McKenzie find a HC and build from the top down.
Who knows, maybe Palmer and/or Campbell fit into the system that will get implemented.
Too early to tell.
The guy is a 1/2 day on the job.
"I love that the entire defensive coaching staff is hanging by a thread."
I think the optics might be one of McKenzie being on the job a few days and then announce their non signing. McKenzie's new HC will pick the assistants. The way McKenzie works, he is sure to have most of the people lined up already to take the jobs. The man is a few steps ahead of what we see.
JONES
"On CSN they had Ratto, who was doing his usual job of making stuff up. I've never seen anyone quite so certain of what others are thinking without ever even speaking to them.".....
Then this from the same poster on the same post...
"As I thought, McKenzie parted with Jackson simply because he wanted to start the new regime with his own people from top to bottom."
The fantasy world continues...
JONES
"I think we should hold off on the fire sale of players"
I don't think it will take McKenzie too long before who he identifies who should stay and who should go. He will bring in his "own people", that goes from the top to the bottom and it includes the players. There will be no more shortcuts for players, those who took advantage of the "Raider way" will no longer last unless they buy in to the new message. McKenzie will never look at a situation from a side of weakness, like, " we need to keep him because there is no one else". That shit don't fly NO MORE.
JONES
10:13 PM
PantyRaider said...
Owner
Al Davis
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This is currently what you see at the Administration Board of Raiders.com...I don't believe this organization has any intent on moving beyond that...I doubt the name Mark Davis will be added there at any time in the near future...It appears that Mark is not at all interested in being in the spotlight or exposed to the damn "Mediot"s...Prooley due to how they have treated his father??
I won't be surprised if it's Amy Trask at the pres-conference introducing Reggie as the Raiders' new "GM"...
So I rather doubt this "newly structured organization" will come to pass...Or what it may even be other than the fragmentation of some bitter fantasy imaginations???
PantyRaider said...
Yup!!...Hue is here as is the RaiderWay with new things being implemented...Mainly according to intelligence reports the restructuring of both the Personnel Dept and the Scouting Dept...NOT the take over of the Raider Franchise nor the dismantling of the Front Office!!!
Mark will continue to be the Ownership and Amy will continue to be Chief Executive Officer and you can expect folks like Jim Otto and many others to still be aboard that Raider Ship...
Reggie is an added assets NOT the new dictator of the empire!!!...His name ain't Cesar!!!
PantyRaider said...
Raiders | Hue Jackson will remain coach
Sat, 07 Jan 2012 13:56:51 -0800
Oakland Raiders head coach Hue Jackson will remain with the team and be the head coach next season.
Yup!!...Those of us with a brain already knew this to be true!!!
5:02 AM
PantyRaider said...
While some fools may suffer from "Premature Ejaculation" in celebration of the "New Raider Way" the rest of us can relax in confidence that that which has always been shall now continue on threw the offspring of the "GodFather" with a few of his own twists added in...
After all Mark is his father's son is he not??...Groomed since infancy for this eventuality...
Amy has cut her teeth on that "Old Raider Way" and seems quite apt at living on in it...
John Madden who is on all accounts from that "Old Raider Way" and very loyal to Al Davis was conducting the interview to bring back Reggie as our new "GM"...
With so many like Jim Otto in our Front Office who are very loyal to Al Davis why would anyone expect wide spread wholesale changes and dithering from what has been the long established "Pirate Manta" of "Take What You Want!!!"...And damn the rest if they don't like it!!!
Reggie was a late rd Davis pick who learned under the old Raider Way…He than learned under the “GB” system which was run by an X Raider who learned it under the old Raider Way too…Al Davis then left behind a short list of who was to run the show…Reggie is that man…So hand picked by Al Davis himself….So make NO mistake about it this move is still very much with Al’s hand on his franchise and I don’t expect Al’s son to dither much from his father’s themes…
So happy be all those who love the Raiders and The "Old Raider Way"...
Be damned and off you go all who be the "Mutinous Dogs" as your "Post Depression" sets in....But that's what "Premature Ejaculation" leave you with...Unfulfilled dreams that you weren't able to achieve!!!
Just lost in another "Wet Dream"!!!!
PantyRaider said...
Gary...
And the Raiders' Beat Writer backs that up NOT that ESPN "Mediot" Crap...
CSN Bay Area reported that "three sources close to the team" said Jackson will remain with the team and that "Reggie McKenzie and Hue Jackson are joined at the hip." Jackson has helped improve a moribund offense in two years, the first year as offensive coordinator.
Moss, the Packers' linebackers coach since 2006, interviewed for the Raiders' vacant head-coach position in 2009, but the job went to Tom Cable.
But as expected Judas Demon JONES will always gravitate toward and support the LIE....That's just what LIARS do!!!
10:24 PM
BOOOOOYAAAAAAAHHHHHHH CLOWNS!!!!
SCALR8R
54 AM
BlandaRocked said...
I'm going to get out of here until July because I'm really not in the mood for flame wars for seven months. On my way out, here's what I expect to see, and something of what I hope to see.
Between now and the day after the SB, I expect to hear very little other than rumors surrounding who will become the Director of Football Operations and/or General Manager. Since the cone of silence operator is no longer with us, some of those guesses might even be more than guesses. But someone will be named by the end of February.
Hue Jackson will begin to tweak his coaching staff. I expect this will happen mostly with the defense. I think that Bresnahan will likely be let go. I think the Raiders do best when they promote from within, so I'm thinking I'd like to see Rod Woodson get a shot at DC. He could also conceivably pick Waffle.
I expect that Hue will spend a couple of months looking at FA prospects. He'll be looking at leadership to bring in for "the attitude adjustment." He'll be working with the new GM on that issue.
Hue will spend a lot of time with Carson Palmer during the off season, getting on the same page.
A while back, Hue said that they looked into the injury problem and determined there wasn't anything wrong with the way they were preparing the players - that it must be the result of the lockout. I disagree. It's been going on for longer than this season. It's been going on for about five years. I believe that not enough focus is given to injury prevention - especially stretching regimens.
While Hue greatly respected Al Davis, he is NOT Al Davis and will deal with things his own way. There will be a much more open facility this off season than in years past. We will be getting more information. However, we will hear far less from Mark Davis than we ever did with Al. Instead, we will be hearing from Hue and whomever becomes GM.
There is absolutely NO evidence that Hue has lost this team. In fact, the evidence is precisely the opposite.
The Raiders, if we can solve the injury problem and find a bit more depth, will go deep into the playoffs in 2012.
See you in July.
10:27 AM
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AvantGrape said...
Btw, who the hell cares what Carson Palmer thinks? His job is to shut up and play like the qb he was six years ago. Good grief.
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In a perfect world, sure.
But in the world the Raiders are operating out of, all our chips got pushed over to his side of the table by Hue. You can't change that by saying "well golly gee."
If he is not happy the first thing McKenzie will have to do is make a Cutler-like trade... not a great situation.
Just because all the Al-haters have had a woody for a new GM to crack whip for the last decade doesn't mean this will work out perfectly.
Sorry to be the bearer of possible bad news.
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AvantGrape said...
Palmer is no savior. A good qb who had a couple of great seasons; his reaction time is a bit slower at this point. We need a coach who can train Palmer to protect the ball. Dude is a turnover machine.
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So was Farve,
Their career int% is IDENTICAL.
He won a ring.
So can Palmer.
CAMPBELL???
Good luck with that!
"Just because all the Al-haters have had a woody for a new GM to crack whip for the last decade doesn't mean this will work out perfectly.
Sorry to be the bearer of possible bad news."
LOL, you are a RAIDER HATER posing as a Mr.Davis lover. Didn't take long for the "gloom and doomers" to show their colors, hey Gary? It's onward and upward, if you aren't on board, GTF out of the way.
JONES
Looks like an "anonymous lurker" is dredging up all the posts that were secretly driving him nuts lately.
What a MAN!!
Gotta love anonymous pussys on the internet!!
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LOL, you are a RAIDER HATER posing as a Mr.Davis lover. Didn't take long for the "gloom and doomers" to show their colors, hey Gary? It's onward and upward, if you aren't on board, GTF out of the way.
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LOL!!! I LOVE IT!
Now the franchise can do no wrong???
NOW???
After tyen fucking years of enduring constant whining, bitching, bawling and crying I am supposed to pretend YOU are the one that is a true Raider fan?
Please.
You make me sick.
At least I am bringing balance... I am not saying this cannot work out (like all I have heard for the last TEN YEARS!!)
I am saying we still have problems.
To pretend otherwise is what you spent the last ten years claiming I am.
Please.
The fact that Jackson is running his mouth right now makes me feel better about the decision. He's now telling Yahoo Sports that Mark Davis made the decision to fire him (despite what was said in today's presser).
Here's the excerpt: "Jackson believes that Mark Davis made the decision to fire him based on a conversation that took place over a week ago. Jackson voiced his concerns about not being involved in the G.M. search before the season-ending loss to the Chargers. Davis rebuffed him. “I gave him three opportunities to give me a vote of confidence, and he didn’t give me one. He said nothing,” Jackson said."
HE, a first year head coach, GAVE the OWNER three opportunities? Then after not getting the vote of confidence he thought he DESERVED, he stands at the podium after the game (a pitiful loss that kept us out of the playoffs) and talks about how he intends to have MORE control and be involved in selecting a GM...?
Geez...And he wonders why he might have gotten canned?
Hue made some HUGE mistakes and perhaps DESERVED to be fired... I am not in denial about that.
But I am not going to sit here and pretend just because we got a greenhorn GM that is saying all the right things this is going to be the MOTHERLOAD like most everyone else.
Thats exactly what KC and Denver did a few years back... and despite Den being in the playoffs yet (mostly due to defense) they are FAR from a set team.
The NFL is still coaching and QB's... and NOTHING is settled right now on either account.
I am not jumping on this bandwagon yet... sorry if it pisses anyone off...
Here's something else Jackson said:
“When I said I wanted to play a greater role, what I meant by that was, I’m going to get a defensive coordinator that I want. I’m going to get the staff members that I want. And the players that weren’t playing well aren’t gonna be here.
“Before, I didn’t have a chance in all of those things. Everybody knows my hands were tied – I worked for Al Davis. He ran the defense, always had. It’s part of the job.”
Where's the optimism?
"After tyen fucking years of enduring constant whining, bitching, bawling and crying I am supposed to pretend YOU are the one that is a true Raider fan?"
No whining, Bawling or crying was involved. That was you complaining tha I had no idea what I was writing about....Now it comes to pass that Mark, Ron Wolf and John Madden all agreed with what I was writing....who's crying now? That would be you, sit down and let those who know what is going on, explain it to you, you might learn something.
JONES
To all members of the "crew".....read it and remember all those times you said it wasn't TRUE, the TRUTH ALWAYS comes out, learn it.
Hue said....
Before, I didn’t have a chance in all of those things. Everybody knows my hands were tied – I worked for Al Davis. He ran the defense, always had. It’s part of the job.”
JONES
"Looks like an "anonymous lurker" is dredging up all the posts that were secretly driving him nuts lately."
Those who wrote the posts...have their names on them...they posted those posts, so what are you talking about, ya big baby.
JONES
A greenhorn GM? I wouldn't call him a greenhorn, he has been a big part of a very successful franchise for 18 yrs. Worked under some very good people, mainly Ron Wolf. Too bad you can't recognize a good hire when you see one = your bad.
JONES
"greenhorn GM"?
You are kidding right? McKenzie was handpicked and hired by Ron Wolf in 1994 and learned his craft from the ground up from arguably the BEST football executive of ALL Time.
McKenzie's recommendation by Wolf, Herock, and Madden says it all. To question his 18 years of experience, qualifications, and pedigree is COMPLETELY ignorant.
After watching a replay of the PC on Raider.com, I am energized, optimistic, positive, intoxicated, and as high as a kite about the new era.
SCAR
Wow! When I got home from work to read up and watch the press conference introducing Reggie Mckenzie as the new GM, I wasn't expecting This!
I am going to have to take Mark Davis's and the New GM's word that it was his(GM) decision to fire Hue Jackson. What GM doesn't get to hire and fire Head Coaches?
The Raiders new GM will be a busy guy, and in my mind, there is a bit of uncertainty. There is also a bunch of optimism that Reggie McKenzie IS the right guy for the GM job.
This fan wants you to keep your word, and bring us some championships!
Welcome to Raidernation Reggie Mckenzie
RAAAAIIIIDDDEEEEEERRRRRSSS!!
SCAR
P.S... Is Gruden a pipe dream?
Hue's dismissal is bittersweet. We can say all we want about his yap, his nails, his whatever, I think he was a fairly decent coach. What we do not know is how the palyers felt, and if he was the one taking the wind OUT of their sails, like some people, especially leaders, can. Only the insiders know, much as we depend on the media, it's only a portion of what's real. I stand behind this team, win or lose, because they appear to be addressing the problems and supporting the troops. I took a few years off, frankly, because they did too. Remember the Tom Cable slugfest? That happens again, well, that would be a shame. Professional. Football. Thes two words seem to be coming together for the first time in a long time, and they can exist, apart from the scoreboard. Let's do this...
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Calico Jack said...
"greenhorn GM"?
You are kidding right?
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CJ...
Are you saying he's been a GM before?
Or even been in charge of hiring and firing anyone before??
I am not saying he is not QUALIFIED. Just that he is a GREENHORN.
These are two different things.
Please... big decisions seem to bring out big stupid arguments.
Gary says:
Their career int% is IDENTICAL.
He won a ring.
So can Palmer.
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Palmer has played 8 seasons. Compare both QB's TD/INT ratio and QB rating in the first 8 seaons and Palmer isn't anywhere near Farve's league. Farve was a one-of-a-kind flame thrower in his prime. Moreover, the guy was not a statue in the pocket like Palmer is. The guy had a motor.
That said, I don't think there's any question that Palmer has the best skill set of any QB on our roster. But I'm not certain that he's going to get any better than we saw this season, and that isn't much better than Campbell. Crossing my fingers on that one. Whatever the case, it's in his best interest to fit in with the programs, so I don't think we see any problems from him.
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Jones:
No whining, Bawling or crying was involved.
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You are just trolling now. Or just delusional.
Carry on...
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But I'm not certain that he's going to get any better than we saw this season, and that isn't much better than Campbell.
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HuH????
His good was VERY VERY good. The first SD game was nearly a masterpiece... and he had a coupla 400+ games late when we needed him.
The only time Campbell even looked anywhere on par with Palmer at his best was when McFadden was RUNNING AT WILL.
Oh, and Palmer hasn't even practiced with McF. yet.
Look.. Campbell will prolly move on to a bottom tier team and do a decent job for them... best case scenario is he moves to a playoff team where they don't even need a QB, and he would do fine checking down and not throwing turnovers.
But his top is nowhere near Palmers top game... not even on the same page.
Whether we can get Palmer to do that CONSISTENTLY is a different question.. one that I want answered before I get into this McKenzie frenzy (hey, thats a keeper!)
Palmer is not someone you fuck with.
Ask Cinci.
You're over-hyping Palmer Gary. Cincy was fucking with Palmer if anything. He was playing like garbage for them. Chief among his problems were interceptions (and not enough TD's to compensate) and fumbles in the pocket. I think Cincy is much happier with the QB situation they have now. Anyway, I hope Palmer can at least throw for more TD's than interceptions, which is something he didn't do this season. Forget about McFadden. He'll never make it through a full season. That can't be an excuse moving forward.
greenhorn (plural greenhorns)
1. an inexperienced person; a novice, beginner or newcomer
He may be a newcomer to Oakland, he isn't inexperienced or a novice. So once again, Gary is wrong on all accounts. May as well lose all the games next year, hey Gary? Get better picks, right?
JONES
BTW, 13 TDs / 16 INT is hardly what makes a VERY VERY VERY good QB. Carson is a good QB who had a couple of great seasons. That's all. Better skill-set than Campbell? Of course. Although, in a playoff game, I'd worry with Palmer behind the ball. He's historically a human choke machine when a game really matters. Just for the record, Jason Campbell performs better in the 4th quarter in QB rating, TD/INT ratio and fumbles (less). That's something you have to consider. Palmer has never shown himself to be a big stage QB, and I'm not certain he ever will. hope I'm wrong.
BTW... I agree Farve had a better TD% than Carson.
I do think they are similar players though... thinking they can always thread the needle and make a spectacular play. That is not something I have a problem with... what I DO have a problem with is a GM that would be ready to throw him under the bus to blow up the system.
Too late for that NOW!
Carson is McKenzie's baby.
To deny this now is the myopia everyone claimed I had for all those losing seasons when I was clinging to optimism.
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BTW, 13 TDs / 16 INT is hardly what makes a VERY VERY VERY good QB.
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I didn't say that... I was pointing specifically to the SD game.
Maybe you didn't see it?
BTW... many of those intercetions were after he just got off the couch.
Please.
He threw three of them after what, one week of practice against KC??
Cambell looked just as bad his first season after a full training camp. Anyone remember the SF game that year? I coulda played better at QB.
So a person that has never been a GM before is not an inexperienced GM??
Ok... JONES is trolling again.
Never mind...
Where's the optimism?
The Davis family just hired a former Raider as GM who has cut his football operations teeth with one of the finest organizations in the NFL, and who came with endorsements from John Madden and Ron Wolf, and who drop-kicked a mouthy first-year coach who flamed out down the stretch...and NOW's the time to NOT be preaching optimism after all these years?
So a person that has never been a GM before is not an inexperienced GM??
He was as close to a GM as could be without being called a GM, 18 yrs of learning all that was needed to know. You called him a greenhorn, he isn't a greenhorn. If I am trolling, what are you doing?
JONES
Where's the popcorn?
Gary and JC at it again... ;^)
---Jeff
Calling McKenzie a "greehorn GM" is patently false. The simple questions to ask are;
(1) is he qualified to be a GM of an NFL team?
According to Ted Thompson, Ron Wolf, Ken Herock, Mark Davis, and all knowledgeable football executives, yes.
(2) Does he have the experience and complete knowledge of running the ship in football operations>
Based on his 18 years of experience and tutelage under Ron Wolf and Ted Thompson working in the Green Bay organization, yes.
(3) Is McKenzie the best fit and most qualified candidate to take on the role as GM for the Raiders in the current market?
Without 1 sliver of doubt, yes.
It is almost comical when you read the comments of Gary and PR when you consider the 2 guys who love to use the phrase "doom and gloom" to brush over other posters are the least optimistic about the Raiders future. It is funny because I have never been so optimistic about the Raiders LONG TERM future since the early 80's and these 2 clowns are drowning.
Instead of relishing in this historic day and realizing that McKenzie/M. Davis will keep the candle burning bright in honor of Al's legacy, these schlubs are pouring water on the flame. Sad.
The Pressor:
http://www.raiders.com/news/article-1/Raiders-Introduce-McKenzie/e8f05e20-72d5-4887-be0b-65202dc66944
As Per Carson Palmer:
Mark pulled that trigger and Reggie said it was a good deal....Palmer stays and is our #1...
Pryor should assume the #2???
As Per Reggie:
Never before a "GM" so this in somewhat new waters for him...He has only been involved with the personnel and scouting depts...Now he the big show...To deny that he is perhaps a little "Green" is just stupidity...But he has been trained very well and has what it takes to do this job and I believe he will and give him my full support even If I didn't like his 1st move of the day....
As Per Mark:
Interesting and NO longer in the shadows...I'm a bit surprised by the outward move but he is ready and I'm ready to get on board with him the same way I was with his father...Long Live Mark Davis!!!
Note:
Everyone makes mistakes threw time...Only the very ignorant don't allow for this...Those who would judge others with great scrutiny but can't hold up against the slightest judgement of themselves...You know who you are...Mark -n- Reggie may have their setbacks on the road to "V" but look at their progress rather than where their tripping...Don't be so foolish as to get all wrapped up in one play that you don't like!!!
As I said...I didn't like Reggie's 1st move of the day...Maybe I won't like his 2nd-3rd-n-4th either but I will support the man threw time and my Raiders just as I have always done....
PantyRaider...NO "Mutinous Dog" in me!!!/_
Correction:
Reggie Was Already "director of football operations"....
How it appears to me:
#1...Mark's short term goal was the "PO"s and the opportunity for the "SB" in memory of his father...He than commissioned Hue to fulfill that destiny...Hue in tern failed after being 7-n-4 on top of the AFCW and also a top "WC" candidate which greatly disappointed Mark and Hue was done..."You won't disappoint me again"!!!
#2...I was totally wrong...Reggie will completely change the landscape with Marks permission to do so as per this:
"From this day forward, there will be a one common, unified goal from everybody in this organization. From the accountants to the new head coach, everyone will have a place and everyone will have a piece of this organization."
#3...Mark in his honesty understands his own limitations and took those limitations out of the picture by consulting with both John Madden and Ron Wolf as Reggie was assigned to take control of those areas of the business...My hat's off to you Mark for being man enough to both see and relate those limitations and act accordingly...
#4...It appears we will enter another period of reconstruction just when I thought we were approaching a period of just plug and play...To what extend we have to rebuild is as yet an unknown...Per this:
"Mark Davis has told me that he wants long-term success and we’re going to start it right now. To begin, we’re going to have to build and that’s where our mindset is and that’s where it is moving forward."
#5...This move is Mark's and NOT prearranged according to this:
"we never talked about specific people or anything like that. I know he had high regard for Reggie."
#6...Reggie will not leave any rock undisturbed in his search for the right players...He himself was a 10th rd pick so he knows fully well that there are many quality players who slip threw the cracks...He will seek them out and we will build with them and we will win with them...Now that be "Old School" Raiders!!!
#7...Some things will remain in the Raider philosophy...Glad to see this:
"I like big and strong. I always will. I like speed, that’s not going to change"
ThankYou Mark!!!
PantyRaider....Welcome Reggie As I Look Forward To What You bring To The Table!!!/_
Wow, you go to sleep and there's 140 comments and a new post. Way too much to read each one.
One of my favorite comments from Mark Davis was that the one thing he knew was what he didn't know. I believe he has more on the ball than most will give him credit for.
Rumor mills are rampant, milling and grinding every minute particle they can harvest. There's even speculation it was Mark Davis' decision to fire Jackson. And, Jeff Fisher is now in play as HC.
One report had Jackson going to the Chefs as OC. That one could actually grow legs.
What is actually interesting is that for years most here believed a new GM should have authority to bring in an HC. Now we have that situation and some are bummed the GM is doing that.
I believe McKenzie came in on Saturday, looked things over, considered keeping Jackson, but ultimately decided it was best for the franchise to have a clean break.
By the way Jones, I never said I expected it. I said what McKenzie decided was fine with me. He was given the authority by Mark Davis. And, I feel he made the decision based on what he felt was in the best interest of the franchise.
The bottom line probably was he took an 8-8 team on its way up and went 8-8 (1-4 over the last five games).
Firing the current coach is always the easy part. Hell, some want Rex Ryan fired already. I think he went to the AFC championship game two years in a row. It's why the call it the "Coaching Carousel". This year was fairly typical with now six openings.
Now comes the tougher part of the job on which he will truly be judged. He has to take an 8-8 franchise, hire a head coach and figure out a way to improve this team into the playoffs with only two draft picks at the moment. Tall order. But, he has this fan's support for what that's worth.
H
Arkansas,
” Where's the popcorn?”
You need a proper libation to wash it down with. But, it is entertaining.
One major consideration now is will McKenzie be more accessible and what happens to the Cone of Silence? Mark Davis seems at ease with the press and, for now at least, not as secretive as his father. He even admitted L.A. had made an offer to the team but he turned them down, for now.
Jones,
Acting like I expected it? Here is my exact post prior to the announcement of the firing:
“His body of work over the season was pretty average. And, the record reflects it. Point is, can HE improve on it? That's what McKenzie has to decide.”
McKenzie decided. End of this chapter. Now we turn the page for the next one. And, it’s evident with McKenzie’s hiring Mark Davis is authoring a page turner for now.
H
So I've gone to sleep and woke up again, and yeah, the buzz and energy of yesterday's presser with McKenzie and Mark is still there.
The Raiders are back! There has been a collective "gulp" from the rest of the league, and they know we will be a force again.
Reading things this morning about what Jackson has said about his firing, and it appears he talks out of both sides of his mouth like some here. He is proving more and more that McKenzie made the right move.
I think we all knew that if McKenzie was going to be the GM, he had to do something bold! I would have been fine with him cutting the defensive coaches; but it was clear that he wants a head coach who knows the nuances of both sides of the ball. Jackson was not that coach!
One of the things Jackson has said was in regard to having a hand more on things, he was talking about the defensive side of the ball. The problem is that he should've been involved on that side of the ball from the outset!
He can blame Al, by saying Al was always in charge of the defense, what about after Al died, when the wheels came off? That is when you should have stepped up, that was your undoing!
I could not be more elated and happier right now to be a Raider fan! I'm excited about Mark Davis, I'm excited about Reggie McKenzie, I'm excited about our roster, and I'm excited about what the immediate and long-term future holds for this franchise! We have gone back to the Commitment of Excellence! The people in place want nothing but excellence, and the time for excellence is now! That was the message I heard yesterday, and that tremor is rumbling throughout the NFL! So much so, that I have removed the "d" from my moniker. I'm no longer "Raided" Nate 75, but back to "Raider" Nate 75!
JUST WIN, BABY!
I started this yesterday, and finished it this morning. This is a new take on the Autumn Wind, and reflects how I feel about the Raiders right now!
The autumn wind is changing, the pirates are heading back out to sea, with a will in their eye, a spring in their step, they set the sails for victory.
His ship is weather beaten, but his cannons set to attack. He rallies his men, positioned to win, and lets everyone know, "We're Back!"
There is a groan throughout the country, a new fear of the villian of old. And the League quietly shakes and quiver and quakes, trying to hide their gold.
The autumn wind is a Raider, ready to pillage once again. Riding the seas of change, rest assured the time is now, with laughter and cries of "JUST WIN!"
Well played!
Nate,
Like it.
H
Based on Mark Davis' opening statement, John Madden was very involved behind the scenes from the outset of Al Davis' passing. Including sitting down with Jackson to discuss the remainder of the season. Ron Wolf was known to have been consulted on the GM search, but Madden's involvement seems to have been under reported.
I think we can all appreciate Mark Davis' candor and commitment.
It is my fervent wish that Reggie McKenzie is up to the task and we are not gathering here in two years wondering "what the hell were we thinking." I believe he is and, we won't.
H
This is one of the first times I can't read through these posts... you guys need to stop with the 'at each other' and calm down. What the fuck does it matter who said what when? This is about the Raiders!!! and we now have hope!
Personally I liked Jackson more when Al Davis was alive, the old man made him a better coach... down the stretch it became clear that he was in over his head and the more he tried the worse things got. With the complete lack of discipline from our team the prospect of him taking more control was very scary. I feel bad for him because he didn't really have a chance, but then I felt bad for Campbell... so what, I'm a Raider fan and as such I follow the team... the change this year is so absolute it guarantees a different result... and that's exciting!!!
Of course the down side is draft picks; well Reggie has mad skills with personnel, so if anyone can turn this into lemonade... he can!
Finally, I live in LA... but Mark forget the move, we love our OAKLAND RAIDERS...
Might be a bumpy ride for awhile but in my heart of hearts (whatever that means) I knew there had to be a house cleaning. That house cleaning has started and I could not be happier.
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The Davis family just hired a former Raider as GM who has cut his football operations teeth with one of the finest organizations in the NFL, and who came with endorsements from John Madden and Ron Wolf, and who drop-kicked a mouthy first-year coach who flamed out down the stretch...and NOW's the time to NOT be preaching optimism after all these years?
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I AM optimistic LONG TERM. I think I stated that very clearly. If I didn't here it is again.. THIS WAS THE BEST DECISION LONG TERM FOR THIS ORGANIZATION!
That doesn't change my view that this could become a complete grease fire short term. The people squealing like a stuck pig because we only won 8 games this season better not squeal if we don't improve one iota for one or two more seasons (HA, I said a funny!)
We are almost certainly bringing in another rookie head coach, we have a rookie GM, nobody knows yet how Carson will react, and we have DEEP holes to fill defensively yet... plus very few draft picks to fill them.
Funny now I am the "realist??"
After all this time??
lol!!
Here's exactly what I would have said if I were in McKenzies shoes...
1. Admit that I have never been a GM before and for that reason retain Hue for the sake of continuity.
2. Say up front that this could be a short term solution, and that Hue has one season to prove himself or he will be replaced with someone I pick out.
3. Say the future of the franchise is squarely in Carson Palmers hands and that he will be given every opportunity that can be thought of to assure he succeeds.
4. Say the defense was at the bottom of the league in almost every category, thus will need major reconstruction, and a premier DC will be sought as the first order of business.
What would have been wrong with this approach??
To me, it seems we may have replaced one ego problem with another...
Among the rumor mill grindings is the name Winston Moss as leading candidate for HC.
For those who believe the next HC must have HC experience on some level, or have been a quality DC somewhere, Moss has neither.
He carries the title Assistant HC, but is one of the linebacker coaches. He is the inside linebackers coach while Kevin Green coaches the outsied linebackes.
What may negate that is his relationship with McKenzie and McKenzie's feeling whether Moss is ready or not.
Just reporting what's out there.
H
I guess ... 'Greetings, everyone. The sooner, the better. Let's get it over with!' *Thump* McKenzie chops off Jackson. 'Now then, the morning coffee smells refreshing. Shall we begin?' Hehe.
It is not like Hue Jackson has helped himself with some harebrained playcalls, coupled with bouncing between inflated and negative remarks throughout the season. Perhaps the awful last five weeks -- losing 4/5 games -- with the spoiler defeat by the Bolts as the cheey on the top to seal his fate.
Since McKenzie has been hired as the GM, it is his call. On hindsight, 9 consecutive seasons with less than 0.500 means the Raiders do not have much to lose by blowing itself up.
A time for patience and optimism has finally arrived, and now some of you sound impatient and pessimistic?
The pre-McKenzie regime whiffed on the playoffs for nine straight years.
Now he gets handed one of the NFL's worst defenses and very few draft picks. Of course it might take time.
But it will be time well spent, and rest assured, it won't take nine more years to win the West.
Not sure this has happened before, but I agree with Gary. Everyone was howling over 8-8, as if we were supposed to be a Super Bowl contender. I wonder how they will react to 7-9 or 6-10.
Now we hear whispers of Mark testing the LA waters. This could get real ugly...
Roy
Corkran just predicted it would be 2-3 years before the playoffs... I expect all the people doing cartwheels right now to not complain until it happens!
HAHAHAHA!
I said another funny!
Take,
I have been waiting for this for 20 years. However, I do not feel the new GM needed to blow everything up and rebuild. We have almost zero draft picks and our offense has been damn good since Hue got here.
Now I can understand, Reggie wanting to do this his way, I respect that. It is my opinion that he now owns this. Mark Davis should give him 3-5 years and we had better have a minimum of two playoff teams in that span.
I don't think we need to rebuild, just retool. I am anxiously awaiting the announcement of the new HC. Winston Moss does not excite me. He has never been a coordinator, has no HC experience and his defense sucks.
I hope McKenzie does not rely too heavily on his GB connections. We have seen how well that has worked out for all the people leaving NE.
Roy
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Raider Take said...
A time for patience and optimism has finally arrived, and now some of you sound impatient and pessimistic?
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YES! This team could be very very good NEXT YEAR with just a new DC and a few key players.
Sounds like Corkran believes the team might be blown up for draft picks... ie McFadden traded, etc.
Palmer could be traded too..
I will hold you to this patience RT!!
Hope you can handle 5-6 win seasons again for awhile???
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I don't think we need to rebuild, just retool. I am anxiously awaiting the announcement of the new HC. Winston Moss does not excite me. He has never been a coordinator, has no HC experience and his defense sucks.
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No kidding! A rookie HC that is in charge of the 32nd ranked defense (or is he even in charge of it??) known more for the playmakers bailing out the team than any great scheme or philosophy.
I remember how much everyone loved Mike Singletary when he was hired with no HC experience... wow, was he over his head!
I am hoping for better...
This is an interesting paraphrasing of yesterdays events:
As the dust settles from yesterday's rumbler, a few things have become clear:
1) Reggie McKenzie has complete control over the Oakland Raiders:
Mark Davis was adamant that Reggie will oversee the football team, as he termed it, "The football side of the house", while Mark turns his eye toward the stadium issue and the operational side of things.
2) The Raiders will hire a Head Coach regardless of whether they are an offensive or defensive mind and Head Coaching experience is not a requirement:
This appears to me to be an endorsement of current Green Bay Packer Linebackers Coach, Winston Moss. At this point Moss is the worst kept secret in the NFL. Moss is Reggie's guy and it would take a huge push from Jon Gruden or someone of his standing to take the reigns of Oakland's team on the field.
3) Mark Davis made the trade for Carson Palmer:
In yesterday's Press Conference, Mark Davis stepped up and took responsibility for the trade that sent two high draft picks (1st in 2012 and 2nd in 2013) to Cincinnati for Carson Palmer. He also took responsibility for the hiring of Reggie McKenzie, going as far as saying, "I waited 3 months to get my guy".
4) No job is safe in Oakland:
McKenzie said that every facet of the organization will be looked at, all the way down to the guys checking the tickets and parking the cars.
5) Al Davis is still alive and well in Alameda:
When Mark Davis was answering the question about his father leaving plans behind for how to run the organization, the light mysteriously went out and the screen for the projector started to come down. Seriously. I have not heard the answer for why that happened, but, to me, Al was about to show everyone his plan.
So, what else do we know after yesterday's conference call?
Raider Nate 75...
That was kool so I passed it on with your name on it...Here's where I posted it:
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2012/1/11/2699672/oakland-raider-news-what-do-we-know-right-now
The restructuring doesn't have to mean taking one step back to take two steps forward.
The Raiders reaching a winning plateau could happen next year.
McKenzie and the Raiders have an entire off-season to oil the machine and make sure the parts fit.
The offensive side of the ball already has the talent, including a capable QB, and young and talented O-line, WRs and RBs.
The defense needs work, but has nowhere to go but get better, immediately.
I expect the Raiders to win next year. If they don't, I believe an improved (greater) organizational transparency will provide a reasonable view as to why... and I will reserve judgement to that time.
For now, you can be sure nobody on the Raiders is talking 6-10 or 7-9. I don't think fans should lower their bar for this transition.
"Hope you can handle 5-6 win seasons again for awhile???"
If it happens, I'll just re-read your postseason takes from previous years and learn the ways of eternal patience and contentment.
You taught me well.
#5 is actually very funny. That's what happened. The lights went out (I thought it was just on the Internet feed) and the projector screen started opening.
I think those who are saying that McKenzie is going to blow everything up and out need to go back and listen to what he said.
He said that we have the talent now, and the time is now; but that also there needs to be some tweak. He is going to oust players who don't have the desire to be there.
I don't think he'll get rid of Palmer. I think we can all calm down about that. I think he will bring depth to the roster like they did in Green Bay. He'll bring in guys who are going to be hungry to play, and play lights out.
It's a new day in Raider Nation, and the sun is shining, the air is minty fresh, and the time is now!
JUST WIN, BABY!
Gary...
If you look at the list of recent failures who were pimped here as great hires with "Due Diligence" it hilarious!!!
Mike Singletary
Todd Hailey
McDaniels
SOB-Rex
Who did I miss???
Hue wasn't pimped by anyone but did as well as these...
Meanwhile the list of recent success is rather short...
Harbah...
So at this point in time it's impossible to project what our 2012 season will even be like...It could very well be a total disaster...It could very well be a triumphant "V"!!!...But what are the odds???
If the "O" is designed around our young core of players on the current roster we will not miss a beat...We now have the pieces in play to be competitive...But if this roster doesn't fit the dreams of the new regime than we be doomed until it does...
Same can be said for that "D" roster...These players have demonstrated an ability to play very well...They have also far too often demonstrated NO will to win!!!...The right "DC" could make them a very competitive unit his 1st season...But the wrong approach will leave us in a rebuilding mode searching for talent??
For me I rather like what Reggie is pimping in this regard...As a 10th rd pick he knows that a great deal of good but cheap talent gets swept under the carpet and out of the NFL...He will dig threw this rubble and search for gems amongst "UDFA"s/Waver Wire/semiretired players because they didn't make a roster...
This is a start:
01/09/2012 Signed RB Rashawn Jackson to a Reserve/Future contract
01/06/2012 Signed QB Rhett Bomar, DE Hall Davis, DB Curtis Taylor to reserve/future contract
PantyRaider...Let Not A Stone Go Undisturbed!!!/_
I never knew what would happen with the Raiders once Al died. The word on Mark Davis was simply that he had other interests besides football. It seems that that is not quite the case. Mark Davis has been around this team all of his life. He's been employed in some capacity by the team for 48 years.
There is no question that Mark Davis intends to be a decisive, but quiet owner. He'll leave the football questions to the football experts so long as they continue to show they can do it well. But it should be remembered that Mark Davis knows far more than he shows. As he claims, he's smart enough to know what he doesn't know.
There is no question of why Davis chose Reggie McKenzie. He's got one of the best eyes for talent in the league. He knows what it takes to build, and to maintain a winner. He's a Raider. That would be the same description given to Al in the glory years. The glory years are what McKenzie seeks to retrieve.
And McKenzie's first move was to begin to remove any trace of nine years of heartache (its causes and projected cures), and to begin again. There are no more glory years. There are no nine years of frustration. The Al Davis Era is dead. Long live the Davis Family Era.
We are 0-0. Glory years, or even defeat can only be in our future. The past nine years are irrelevant - part of another era.
Going back beyond yesterday at 2PM, Pacific Time, is irrelevant. It's part of another day.
Now This Is Some Funny Shit!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTV7O7TVNh0&feature=youtu.be
"SD"s Turn!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKkvsRevOxM
The latest rumors I've been hearing for HC regards Philban, the OC for GB. His 21 year old son just died in an accident yesterday.
Regarding the current talent. McKenzie put the players on notice. It is the intent of this organization to win championships. Every player who does not prepare with that in mind, or who does not perform at that level will be replaced by someone who will.
Palmer is certainly safe. McKenzie pretty much said so. Players, I think, will also be required to stay healthy to stay here. The team will help them out in staying healthy.
As far as what will happen in 2012, no one has a clue. McKenzie will try and build an immediate winner. But so would every GM coming in here, as so would Al Davis, were he not dead.
As far as being optimistic, we have to take the word of Mark Davis and Ron Wolf. Every day is a new day.
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If it happens, I'll just re-read your postseason takes from previous years and learn the ways of eternal patience and contentment.
You taught me well.
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Now THAT I would like to see!
Look, if McKenzie makes a stellar HC hire on the par with Jim Harbaugh or at least someone with HCing pedigree, and we try to rebuild around McF and Palmer (yes, I know its a gamble on both) I will be ALL IN on this.
If he hires one of his cronies from GB thats never even held a clipboard before, and trades all our key players away for draft picks... sorry man. This aint gonna fly with me.
Thats the stuff you do after 7 seasons of 5 win football... not two seasons of 8-8 football. Gruden should have won a ring after two straight 8-8 seasons...
This much should be obvious.
The "blowing the building apart" koolade is too late to be drank.
Lets put a championship team together NOW!
"BR"...
I feel your pain in that statement...Sad but true you are...
As an old timer who grew up with this team in the Greatness of Al Davis it's tough to let go...I will no doubt continue to try to hold onto the the glorious past while trying to move forward in the new uncharted waters of this franchises future...I will try to put trust in Mark the same way I had my trust in his father...I will try to do the same for Reggie...But I much admit I feel a great loss...As like you I had no idea what my team would be the day after...Problem is at this point i'm still very much in the dark as we all are until we see a few more moves take place....
It's very difficult to trust what you do not know!!!
At this time others who never trusted at all jump up and down in some sort of fictitious triumph like they think they know something when they don't!!!...So it's easy for them to trust in the unknown...The unforeseen...Because they hated on the reality that was so anything to them is better...An improvement...But no doubt the 1st signs of calamity will send them all off into the corner in tears!!!!
PantyRaider....Forced To Move Ahead Without Choice!!!!/_
There was some talk last week about Bill Cowher interviewing for the "SD" job...But that it was denied and Turner was retained...
Maybe Cowher was rejected because he wanted too damn much power and their "GM" wouldn't relinquish any of his power???...Or $$$$$...
But if it's a reality that Cowher did have conversations with "SD" than there's hope that he may be talking to us....That's the one name that would get me highly excited at this point and he's free NOW!!!
It was said he took off time to be with his dieing wife...She has already passed on...It has been speculated he now wants to return to coaching???
PantyRaider....A Man Can Dream!!!/_
So if Winston Moss is the upgrade we are hoping for... let me ask this... if we don't hire him as HC, do you think he would get a head coaching job somewhere ELSE? I, for one, don't.
Moss is someone we bring in because nobody else wants to coach here.
How is that an improvement over Al?
In fact that's WORSE than Al.
Nothing like hiring a GM from a first-class organization, endorsed by Ron Wolf and John Madden, and hired by the Davis family, to bring out the doom and gloom in some folks.
Guess we need to exercise a little more patience and optimism around here.
Look Who's Talkin Cheap!!!
The Hypocrisy Runs Deep!!!
Did we post another "V" "RT"???
Your whole stance has been until you see it on the score board it ain't worth pimping...Well do you see anything on that damn Score Board Yet???
I want no part of Moss. I also want no part of another losing season. Simply hiring a GM is not good enough. The NFL is littered with losing teams that have GM's.
We need to win now. I believe we have the team to win now. I hope Reggie does not get too fancy.
I for one will be outraged at a losing season.
Roy
Take, Optimism is fine, but are you not going to hold the organization accountable simply because we have a GM from a winning franchise? Are we not allowed to question the decisions of Reggie? I hope this does not become an Al Davis situation where we cannot question any decisions lest we be accused of treason.
Roy
Roy...
The "HateTrip" was such that questioning anything and everything pertaining to Al Davis was encouraged here...Now all of a sudden Reggie is ordained as "God" before he posts a single "V"!!!
Ya!!!....The "Hypocrisy" is very damn deep!!!
And for the record I pimped Reggie...But I also pimped retaining Hue as well...Now I'm in the dark until the fog clears and we see something real materialize....
Not just fictitious fantasy!!!
"I hope this does not become an Al Davis situation where we cannot question any decisions lest we be accused of treason."
Roy, rest assured, you'll never hear me encouraging anything like that.
Just remember to keep tabs on those who wouldn't let you question decisions lest you be accused of treason.
Take, I am aware and I guess football also makes strange bed fellows.
On a side note, all of this LA talk is really depressing me. Corkran guessed 80-20 in favor of moving to LA. If that happens I will know I am truly cursed. As soon as my team leaps into the 21st century they move to LA? I can't take that.
Roy
It's easy to defend a man who's legacy contains five super bowls, six league championships, a Super Bowl in every decade but one, and at least on league championship game in every decade, even if he did put up seven losing seasons in row.
I think we should be alowed to question a man who is 0-0.
Who's current tack record is 0-n-1...
0 Hires -n- 1 Fired!!!
"Nothing like hiring a GM from a first-class organization, endorsed by Ron Wolf and John Madden, and hired by the Davis family, to bring out the doom and gloom in some folks." RT
It's bizarre flipped upside down.
Apparently, for some optimism only exists when we are riding a wave of epic losing.
Mark Davis has done everything right since his father died, with much deliberation and remarkable timing.
He orchestrated a trade for Carson Palmer (and probably Aaron Curry too) when his HC told him he needed these players to compete for the playoffs. He diligently researched a replacement GM to lead the football side of the organization—looking to highly knowledgeable and respected advisors that helped guide him through this process—and he hired that GM in a prompt yet well-informed manner. Then he presented himself with the upmost class and decorum in his first-ever press conference as owner of the Raiders.
Win, lose or draw, this is a sound approach!
That's cause for celebration.
Now it's time to right the ship. Who's on board?
P.S. Funny how folks endorsed Mark Davis seeking the advice of Madden and Wolf but now question the direct results of that advice.
NYRaider, does Mark's flirtation with LA bother you?
Roy
...let's just let this pan out, there really isn't that much to talk about, looking forward. It's all speculation, of course. I'm thankful for a season of change, for the better, I certainly hope!
First off, nobody's pissing on the parade. McKenzie is going to make changes, and a lot of them. According to his plan, he's going to return the organization to the way it used to run. I'm all on board.
But he is 0-0. He's not the 2nd coming until we're saved.
As for LA, everybody in America has been aware that we've been talking to LA. Primarily because every football team in America has been talking to LA.
Davis will try to get something done here in good faith. However, I'd remember that the City of Oakland didn't wait six months to sue the organization after they moved in. The City of Oakland is probably one of the most hurt in the bad economy. They aren't going to do ANYTHING they have to sink ONE DIME into. So it's private funding or no stadium.
I still have my doubts the 49ers will get a stadium built in Santa Clara. Especially if they hide expenses from the voters.
Oh, and will Al gone, I would think LA would now triple their efforts to lure the Raiders there.
Roy -
It does bother me. I live on the other side of the country, but I never liked the first move to L.A., Among other things, I believe it provided too many distractions for the players, and certainly for the man behind the move who also was running the football operation (hopefully, wearing too many hats is a thing of the past).
The fans in Oakland proved this year that they will support a winning program.
On the flip side, the Raiders play in the most outdated stadium in the NFL. They will need to make a move soon, presumably into a top facility. So it will depend on the available options.
Blanda -
"But he is 0-0. He's not the 2nd coming until we're saved."
No offense, BR, but so was every HC hired by Al Davis over the last nine years that was fully endorsed here and presented with the upmost optimism.
All I have to say is...those who condoned what was happening the last 8-9 yrs, have always been wrong. Now those same people are raising questions of what is happening now as bad moves....just look at the sources and that should automatically guarantee that McKenzie is going to do alright. Time after time the "...." got it wrong, their streak is continuing...keep it up boys!
JONES
"A time for patience and optimism has finally arrived, and now some of you sound impatient and pessimistic?" - RT
To me patience and optimism are relative terms tied to the context of the situation at hand.
If I see a solid organizational foundation being built w/sound decisions to reshape the roster being made in 2012, my patience and optimism remains buoyed going forward into 2013.
There is no question that the new era upon us in 2012 is a major transitional year.
For starters, we are looking at a significant overhaul in the entire coaching staff. McKenzie has a tall order with the limited draft picks and cap room.
It is perplexing how some posters have been incredibly patient for 9 years running and now they want instant results.
If we reach the playoffs because McKenzie has surgically tweaked our roster and upgraded our coaching and front office staff, I will be thrilled. If we don't reach the playoffs in 2012 but are clearly on the right path for 2013 and beyond, I will still applaud McKenzie's efforts.
...someone call McKenzie, put Calico Jack on staff, spot-on.
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It is perplexing how some posters have been incredibly patient for 9 years running and now they want instant results.
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I don't know what game you are watching, but we sucked for 7 years... now we are very close. Point to a time where we had a top 10 offense two years in row AND a franchise QB in place since this slide started. Name all the back to back 8-8 seasons before Hue joined...
Tap tap.
Thats what is so bewildering to me of the cheerleading for this blowing up the entire franchise.
ITS TOO LATE!
IT DIDNT NEED TO BE DONE!
This should be obvious.
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nyraider said...
P.S. Funny how folks endorsed Mark Davis seeking the advice of Madden and Wolf but now question the direct results of that advice.
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Point me to a quote where Madden or Wolf endorsed firing Hue.
I am guessing that happened only after McKenzie was hired.
Ego trip vs ego trip?
Sign a BLUE CHIP head coach McKenzie... until then you are a moron.
DAZZLE ME!
The leader of the 32nd ranked defense isn't it.
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Raider Take said...
Nothing like hiring a GM from a first-class organization, endorsed by Ron Wolf and John Madden, and hired by the Davis family, to bring out the doom and gloom in some folks.
Guess we need to exercise a little more patience and optimism around here.
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Ok RT.. you got pissy with Al when he didn't have the head coaches in place INSTANTLY in the past.
What HC do you see McKenzie zeroing in on?
I'm guessing he is waiting for GB to lose so he can hire one of his cronies.
Will you be "minty fresh" with that?
I won't.
This looks more like a power grab more than anything... like we are one of the worst teams in the NFL or something???
Oh give me the 32nd ranked defensive coach to lead us to the promised land!!
There's nothing like losing four of five games to end the season with the division title on the line, setting the NFL's all-time record for penalties and giving up 27 points per game to make me feel that we were "very close."
Hah!
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