2012 Season: A Post-Mortem
Thanks to GGRaider, who arrived on the scene out of the blue just long enough to share this brilliant piece of satire in the comments section of the previous take. It's funny enough to merit its own showcase here:
It's hard to believe that it's a day before Groundhog's Day, yet, the Raiders 2012 season is all but lost. It is understandable that fans would be tempted to try and reconstruct what has transpired and wonder "what went wrong?" Yes, how could a season filled with so much promise be caput before it has even begun? To perform the inquiry, you have to wind the clock back to the early off-season.
That first week of January which was filled with so much promise. Finally, the Raiders would get a GM with real power, and a coach who could choose his own assistants. Back then, the sky was the limit. Super Bowl? heck, yeah! Reggie McKenzie seemed like the guy with the right pedigree, part the Ron Wolf management tree, a former Raider. But then, it all started to go horribly wrong. In his first presser Reggie used the word "irregardless". This blog understandably blew up. How the heck can a man have an eye for football talent if he makes up words and dangles participles? Reggie could see he was out of his grammatical depth. In order to obfuscate his verbal shortcomings and realizing that they would prevent any proven coach from coming aboard, he reached and chose a coach who had no ties to the silver & black and probably thinks the Ghost to the Post is a blogging term for a guy who kicks the bucket while venting his spleen on this site.
Dennis Allen in his first presser failed the first test of a Raider head coach. Dennis Allen wore a black & white tie to the event, not a black & silver tie. Huejack never would have made such an obvious sartorial blunder. Heck, Big Al never would have let him on the stage.
Just when the season seemed like the season couldn't get any more off course, Allen sealed the team's fate by hiring Greg Knapp as its new offensive coordinator. Fans shrewdly realized that this must mean that the team would be completely re-built to suit ZBS and a west coast offense. What else could it mean? This offensive scheming stuff is complicated!! Ever tried to enrich uranium? Then, you know what I'm talking about. How could or would a guy like Knapp be able to run anything else? even if his team was drafted for a completely different scheme? But it was too late, there was not going back. Fans were left to look ahead to 2013 and hope for better days.
Many players when asked about these moves agreed that there wasn't much hope. Some candidly questioned whether they should keep going through the motions and show up for this Spring's OTAs. Why risk injury? Better to save it for 2013 when the lessons of 2012 could be addressed. To a man, they all agreed with the provferbial words of Al Davis; that the greatness of the Raiders is in its future.
It's hard to believe that it's a day before Groundhog's Day, yet, the Raiders 2012 season is all but lost. It is understandable that fans would be tempted to try and reconstruct what has transpired and wonder "what went wrong?" Yes, how could a season filled with so much promise be caput before it has even begun? To perform the inquiry, you have to wind the clock back to the early off-season.
That first week of January which was filled with so much promise. Finally, the Raiders would get a GM with real power, and a coach who could choose his own assistants. Back then, the sky was the limit. Super Bowl? heck, yeah! Reggie McKenzie seemed like the guy with the right pedigree, part the Ron Wolf management tree, a former Raider. But then, it all started to go horribly wrong. In his first presser Reggie used the word "irregardless". This blog understandably blew up. How the heck can a man have an eye for football talent if he makes up words and dangles participles? Reggie could see he was out of his grammatical depth. In order to obfuscate his verbal shortcomings and realizing that they would prevent any proven coach from coming aboard, he reached and chose a coach who had no ties to the silver & black and probably thinks the Ghost to the Post is a blogging term for a guy who kicks the bucket while venting his spleen on this site.
Dennis Allen in his first presser failed the first test of a Raider head coach. Dennis Allen wore a black & white tie to the event, not a black & silver tie. Huejack never would have made such an obvious sartorial blunder. Heck, Big Al never would have let him on the stage.
Just when the season seemed like the season couldn't get any more off course, Allen sealed the team's fate by hiring Greg Knapp as its new offensive coordinator. Fans shrewdly realized that this must mean that the team would be completely re-built to suit ZBS and a west coast offense. What else could it mean? This offensive scheming stuff is complicated!! Ever tried to enrich uranium? Then, you know what I'm talking about. How could or would a guy like Knapp be able to run anything else? even if his team was drafted for a completely different scheme? But it was too late, there was not going back. Fans were left to look ahead to 2013 and hope for better days.
Many players when asked about these moves agreed that there wasn't much hope. Some candidly questioned whether they should keep going through the motions and show up for this Spring's OTAs. Why risk injury? Better to save it for 2013 when the lessons of 2012 could be addressed. To a man, they all agreed with the provferbial words of Al Davis; that the greatness of the Raiders is in its future.
posted by Raider Take at 8:17 AM
220 Comments:
In the grand tradition of copy and paste, I'll put my previous response to GGRaider's piece here in case they didn't see it.
GGRaider,
I see you caught my “irregardless” comment. I was tweaking the folks who were suddenly all worried about the hire. In that, aside from irregardless not being a word, I really liked what he said.
However, I must take you to task. On this blog, Silver and Black are proper nouns and must be capitalized.
Other than that, nice piece. And, while I’ve not tried to enrich uranium, I understand a man in Sweden was arrested for trying to figure out how to do it in his kitchen.
Welcome aboard. Take has offered to buy us all a pint. I think we should take him up on it (pun intended).
H
P.S. Anyone heard from Psycho lately?
The only thing I have to say to this is the game of hiring a retread coordinator and hoping he has changed is a fools game. How many times have we been down this road only to be mislead? How many times have we let Lucy snatch the ball away at the last second?
Maybe with Al gone it will be different? Knapp will not be "RRPP" and will feature the "explosive" offense Allen claimed he was seeking? Maybe he won't suddenly switch exclusively to the ZBS with the ZBS o-line coach he brought in, and we will see a hybrid that incorporates some power blocking that had us averaging over 27 points a game until McF got hurt.
Maybe it won't even matter. The offensive line will be so stellar, and McFadden so unstoppable (if he's even on the team) no one will remember who is the OC?
Thats a lot of "Maybes" for my book... but it IS possible.
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H from other thread:
Even with injuries, a well coached defense should have, and probably would have, done better. A depleted defense is not the reason for our showing last season. Overall this was not a well coached team last season.
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I don't get you sometimes. You make many valid points about how well the offense played (even after Mcf and Campbell went down) and then you point to the defense as a reason that "overall" it wasn't a well coached team.
It was not a well coached DEFENSE.
Ya think Hue might have had his plate full trying desperately to retool the offense midseason?
That is why I don't get all this "Lets give Knapp a chance" blather.
What did we get giving Breshnahan a chance to prove he's changed?
Or Tom Walsh?
Or Art Shell even?
Or Norv Turner?
The road to the SB is littered with the corpses of failed retread coaches that didn't change one iota after they got one last desperate chance.
Maybe Knapp will be the first under the new management?
I will have to see it to believe it first!
Sorry.
I "Copy/Paste" this forward because it should be understood but it's NOT!!!...
"H" also had his comments if he also chooses to move them forward??
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"Earn" is the key word now isn't it..
For you and some others it's "Earned" the moment he stepped on the job and fulfilled your elusive dreams...It may become "UnEarned" if he screws this opportunity up???
For some others he was given a job and now has to prove himself worthy...Just another perspective on a reality of life...Thus nothing is "Earned" until the proof is on the football field...
Ya see with Al Davis the "Proof" was already there years before most of you ever tuned in...So Ya!!...Some of us were willing to acknowledge that he has already "Earned" our trust...
While for some of you late entries it's all about what have you done for me lately as a blind eye is turned to any long list of historical accomplishments...
"The Team Of The Decades" has proven true throughout Al's rain...Will it be the same for anyone else???
Ya See...You haven't a single solitary stat/accomplishment/triumph/"V" or anything else to base your pimping on...
On the other hand we did/do...5 decades worth!!!..."PO"s in every single one with "SB"s in the "60"s/"70"s/"80"/"00"s....Now comes the "10"s and what will be will be but there ain't no "History" yet!!!
PantyRaider....Reggie Was My Boy -n- He Has My Support...But He Still Has To Eran My Trust!!!/_
Correct!!!...
Reggie and now Dennis have been intrusted with our team...Now they must prove themselves worthy of such trust...
NO free gratis and NO excuses!!!
At the end of the day comes Admiration and honor for a job well done...NOT just because they accepted the undertaking...
This is the difference in the hollowed ground on which Mr Davis stood...He had already earned it despite these refusals to bestow upon the man what he justly deserved...
Our utmost respect and honor!!!
I look forward to the day when such can also be bestowed upon Reggie and Dennis and their staff who work under them...
PantyRaider....That Will Be The Greatness Of The Raiders Of Which Al Spoke!!!/_
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Mr.Davis' work over the last 20 years or so earned the reaction of many fans. The billboard, the empty seats, the disgust of many fans on how the team was managed. So forgive those who saw the reality of the situation and are now happy that a new and updated system that is in place.
The fact that Reggie came highly recommended by Mr.Davis himself, Ron Wolf and John Madden is reason for excitement. The fact that Reggie is going to implement what the socalled iiaaafers or whatever wanted all along, is more reason to celebrate. The hiring of a young and up and coming HC is more reason to celebrate. Assistants are just that, they assist the HC and the GM's vision for the team.
Getting bent over a ST's coach leaving because Mr.Davis hired him....just shows who these people worshipped. It's about wins, to them, it's about worship. For years they have made every excuse and they are still doing it and they are attacking the new way as critically as possible. They don't care if the Raiders win, they only care about their idol. I will bet that if the Raiders are a strong team next season, they will not be satisfied and will claim it was all Mr.Davis' doing.
JONES
Gary,
I said “overall”. I have been consistent. Overall means, in general, it does not mean entirety. I thought our offensive line was well coached. I even posted that I though Khalif Barnes might have found a home at right tackle.
Coaching includes decision making, game management and a whole host of other things. If the defense is being poorly coached, or there are bad in game decisions on that side of the ball, it is the responsibility of the head coach to do something about it. Jackson did not. That’s poor coaching on his part.
Jackson had some good moments. But, he had some real head-scratcher moments also.
There were some parts of the team that were well coached. Hence, Skipper and Wisniewski being retained. The OL did fairly well as did the running backs. But, overall, I do not believe the team was well coached.
I’m not the one saying the problems of the team were because of the loss of two players who were replaced with a Michael Bush, who could start for probably 20 other teams, maybe more, and a Carson Palmer who has played in Pro-Bowls. That dog don’t hunt.
By the way, I might be related to Kelly Skipper 37 times removed by marriage. My father’s oldest sister married a fellow named Skipper. Nice guy too.
H
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Coaching includes decision making, game management and a whole host of other things. If the defense is being poorly coached, or there are bad in game decisions on that side of the ball, it is the responsibility of the head coach to do something about it. Jackson did not. That’s poor coaching on his part.
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I think I mentioned this before, but the coaching fraternity is very tight and closed. I doubt that any rookie head coach that calls out his DC on the sidelines would ever be able to attract top assistants again.
How often do you see it?
I recall the time with Buddy Ryan and Ditka. For some reason an altercation on the Atl sidelines sticks in my mind.
I've been watching NFL football for 45 years now and remember two times where a HC turned on his assistant?
Hue might sit down with Breshnahan to discuss strategy during the week.. but game time I doubt many offensive HC's say much to their DCs.
If you have information to the contrary, I'd be interested in seeing it.
This just seems you passing blame to Hue when it was Bresh that was the culprit.
What was Hue supposed to do.. call plays for BOTH sides of the ball??
Thats crazy. Nobody does that.
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I’m not the one saying the problems of the team were because of the loss of two players who were replaced with a Michael Bush, who could start for probably 20 other teams,
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Thats just crazy. What do you see that I am missing? He is a very large load that is above average on short downs, and has an occasional great game. All RB's do this.
His 3.8 yards a carry is frigging 44th in the league (qualified.)
If you are right, he will be a very highly sought after free agent.
I highly doubt that. You need close 5 YPC to be anywhere close to a top RB.
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maybe more, and a Carson Palmer who has played in Pro-Bowls. That dog don’t hunt.
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Uhh, he was brought in mid-season off his COUCH! You are throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks, H.
You are usually better than this...
..."What was Hue supposed to do.. call plays for BOTH sides of the ball??..."
The excuse train keeps on rollin. A HC overlooks the WHOLE TEAM, it is his vision that the assistants are supposed to teach. Hue had no clue what to do, that's why he isn't a HC. He may have fit the Mr.Davis system, but in a regular HC system, the HC makes the changes and if he has to tell Chuck that he is benched, so be it.
Hue did nothing, maybe it was a contractual thing, with the 'HC and 'DC' being seperate agenda's as forced by Mr.Davis by contract? Who knows, just ask Hue who ran the Defense. Hue should of stepped in, he didn't, he lost the team, he was doing his nails and missing QB meetings. It's why he isn't the HC anymore. Allen sounds like a guy who would never do his nails, let alone miss a meeting during a playoff run.
JONES
Oh, and 20 teams want a starting RB that refuses to pick up a blitz if his life depends on it???
I want what you are drinking!
He will prolly go somewhere desperate for a starter, and almost certainly be another Lamont Jordan.
I certainly hope St. McK doesn't franchise him. 7 mill brings in a lot of defensive help.
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He may have fit the Mr.Davis system, but in a regular HC system, the HC makes the changes and if he has to tell Chuck that he is benched, so be it.
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Jesus. I always regret clicking on your posts.
Name a HC that BENCHED their DC in the history of the NFL?
Bush is a top 12 RB, and HC's are supposed to bench their DC's??
This is CRAZY talk now... prolly time for me to step away again...
"Name a HC that BENCHED their DC in the history of the NFL?"
That's how poor the situation was, if Hue had benched him, you can believe the team would have rallied around it, instead, they quit on him. Besides, that example of what Hue could of done was done in a semi mocking manner.
I guess you can't figure out anything else Hue could have done to shake up the defensive side of the ball? Hue just had to stand there like a stooge while Chuck did his thing? Is that the kind of HC you want? When you 'leave' gary, don't just become another name and play Mr. Provocateur, ok? Try and bring some sort of sincerity to this board, otherwise it's just a kid's game.
JONES
Jones,
You seem to either forget or ignore the facts. HC's did not have that type of power until now. Al set up the assistants and the HC coached. I think that is a horrible system and that the HC should be able to pick and choose his assistants, but that was not the case with the Raiders.
For the life of me I cannot understand what Hue could have done to change the D mid-season.
I love Bush, but he is not in the class of McFadden. He is more of a Wheatley. He has value and I want him on the team for the right price.
Roy
I really don't get all of the disrespect directed at Hue. Before he got here we were not even competitive. He came and revolutionized our offense, significantly improved the o-line, turned McFadden into a star and made us watchable. Now we are turning the keys over to Knapp and this is supposed to be great just because we have a GM? I don't get it.
Roy
"Now we are turning the keys over to Knapp and this is supposed to be great just because we have a GM? I don't get it." - Roy
Not exactly. We are turning the keys over to Allen who will hire his assistants to execute his vision. Allen will manage the staff and every aspect of the game and ultimately be judged by wins and losses.
The preparation that takes place Monday through Saturday that leads to game day on Sunday falls squarely on the shoulders of Allen.
If the defense, offense, or special teams are struggling, it is the HC's responsibility to instruct, lead, and badger (if nec.) the DC, OC, and STC in order to make the critical adjustments.
The Raiders 2011 defensive ineptitude was Jackson's responsibility. No one says "Breshnan was 8-8 and went 1-4 down the stretch".
CJ,
With all due respect Hue never had the opportunity to operate the way a normal HC does. Everyone is glossing over this fact. If he had full control over his staff then I could see all of the outrage.
As for Allen, I like the hire and I am excited for him. However, now we are supposed to believe that he is also an offensive guru who is going to be able to convert Knapp into the second coming of Sean Payton. I don't buy it.
Everyone is acting like coordinators do not matter and I don't believe that. I think they matter a lot.
Roy
..."Everyone is acting like coordinators do not matter and I don't believe that. I think they matter a lot..."
Hence top teams that continually lose coordinators and never miss a beat. Coordinators have to be trusted by the HC that they will carry out their vision of the Offense. So what you are saying is, you do not trust Allen to carry out the HC job.
JONES
..."For the life of me I cannot understand what Hue could have done to change the D mid-season...."
Too funny...how bout " hey Chuck, start blitzing McClain more, stunt the lineman more. Disguise the coverages more, ATTACK FFS's...Hue just couldn't figure that out either? No wonder he isn't a HC right now. And no wonder you are confused, Roy, have you tried the Uranium thing yet?
JONES
...."With all due respect Hue never had the opportunity to operate the way a normal HC does. Everyone is glossing over this fact. If he had full control over his staff then I could see all of the outrage..."
After Mr.Davis passed, he was in charge of football operations, was he not? Are you sure you are not Gary? Another provocateur?
JONES
..."You seem to either forget or ignore the facts. HC's did not have that type of power until now. Al set up the assistants and the HC coached. I think that is a horrible system and that the HC should be able to pick and choose his assistants, but that was not the case with the Raiders...."
Say What? You have it wrong, Mr.Davis was the HC, why are you glossing over or forgetting that? When Mr.Davis passed, Hue was in full control and he did NOTHING like a real HC would of to improve the team. And because of it, he lost the team and a shot at the playoffs. Can you understand that, for the life of ya?
JONES
..."convert Knapp into the second coming of Sean Payton. I don't buy it...."
Damn, way too much ammo, Roy. Sean Peyton is a HC. What used to be the Raiders HC was actually the OC... do you understand? Under Mr.Davis, the defense was never addressed by the HC, that was Mr.Davis', remember Hue's quote? How long does your memory last for? After his passing, Hue had full opportunity to straighten Chuck out, did you see that? EXACTLY.
JONES
"If he had full control over his staff then I could see all of the outrage." - Roy
If he didn't have full control of his staff, who did? If your answer is Al Davis before he passed then my rebuttal is that that was the problem to begin with. If you answer is no one after Al Davis passed then you are only kidding yourself.
Bottom Line:
When Al Davis passed away, Hue Jackson was in FULL CONTROL of everything that took place on the field, with the coaching staff and players.
"As for Allen, I like the hire and I am excited for him. However, now we are supposed to believe that he is also an offensive guru who is going to be able to convert Knapp into the second coming of Sean Payton. I don't buy it." - Roy
If you don't think Allen should be trusted or is capable of managing HIS staff that HE HIRED, you shouldn't be excited about Allen.
Allen doesn't need to be an "offensive guru". He does need to understand what makes an offense effective (which he does) and then ably communicate his plan and delegate accordingly. As a bright, young mind and DC last year, Allen had to gameplan his entire unit to combat an opponent's offense effectively.
"Everyone is acting like coordinators do not matter and I don't believe that. I think they matter a lot."
- Roy
Allen is accountable for hiring Knapp. If the offense lays an egg and the Raiders record reflects it, it falls on Allen not Knapp.
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If you don't think Allen should be trusted or is capable of managing HIS staff that HE HIRED, you shouldn't be excited about Allen.
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I fully expect the offense to take a step back.. maybe be crazy bad.
But I also expect the defense to make up for most of the difference.
Thats how big a thing coaching is.
My biggest hope is McFadden says injury free so none of it matters.
He is in a contract year... he sits this season he will be scraping for money next season.
This could actually work....
Chiefs hire former Dolphins assistant Daboll to run offense
Al Saunders Fails to get that job...Will he now stay on with the Raiders???
Roy...
I don't get it either...This whole line of reasoning just gives me a headache!!!
Raiders hire another AFC West Coordinator
Steve Hoffman ST coordinator from The Chiefs has been hired by the Raiders.
The Oakland Raiders have named Steve Hoffman special teams coordinator. Hoffman has served as an assistant coach at the NFL level for 22 seasons, including the past three years as special teams coach for the Kansas City Chiefs.
Under Hoffman’s tutelage in 2011, Chiefs P Dustin Colquitt established a career high with a 45.9-yard punting average. Hoffman’s coverage units ranked sixth in the NFL in 2010, allowing opponents an average of just 20.2 yards per kickoff return. Kansas City’s special teams group showed dramatic improvement in his first season with the Chiefs, as the team improved from 29th in 2008 to 12th in 2009 in the comprehensive NFL special teams rankings compiled by Rick Gosselin of the Dallas Morning News. Colquitt registered a 40.8-yard net punting average in 2009, the top single-season mark in Chiefs history. In addition, K Ryan Succop posted an 86.2 field goal percentage in 2009, which tied for the highest mark by an NFL rookie since 1970.
Prior to joining the Chiefs, Hoffman spent two seasons with the Miami Dolphins (2007-08) as assistant special teams coach. In 2007, K Jay Feely established a Dolphins single-season record by connecting on 21 of 23 (91.3) field goal attempts. Hoffman also tutored P Brandon Fields, who led all NFL rookies with a 43.2-yard punting average in 2007. He was assistant special teams coach with the Atlanta Falcons in 2006.
Hoffman served on the Dallas Cowboys’ staff for 16 years (1989-04) as kicking coach. In addition to his duties with kicking specialists, he spent seven sevens as offensive/defensive quality control coach (1989-95). He later coached kickers and served as offensive quality control coach (1996-99) before finishing his tenure in Dallas as defensive quality control coach (2000-04). During his time in Dallas, Hoffman’s specialists established 15 club records and he was a part of three Super Bowl Championship teams, as Dallas claimed titles in Super Bowls XXVII, XXVIII and XXX.
Hoffman instructed kickers and punters at the University of Miami (1985-88) prior to joining the professional ranks. With the Hurricanes, he mentored P Jeff Feagles, who went on to become the NFL’s all-time leader in punts (1,713) and punting yards (71,211).
The Camden, N.J.-native played quarterback, running back, wide receiver and handled kicking and punting duties during his collegiate career at Dickinson (Penn.) College. He spent one year punting for the Washington Federals of the USFL (1983) and attended NFL training camps with Washington (1981, 1983), Seattle (1984) and New Orleans (1985).
ThankYou "Dennis The Menace"...
Our "ST"s should now be vastly improved in both coverage and returns as well as accuracy...
One nice step forward...Please bring us another...
Gary...
I have to agree at this point with present knowledge:
"I fully expect the offense to take a step back..
But I also expect the defense to make up for most of the difference."
I left off the "Crazy Bad" out of hope that Kanapp doesn't take a Nap in Carson's scull!!!...If he can work well with him than just maybe this thing produces results quicker than I expect???
PantyRaider...Nothing To Base Such Hope Upon...Just Blind Faith!!!/_
Jerry McDonald - @SmithNorm Would all depend on how contracted is worded. They're probably on hook for complete second year regardless of specific job. 02-03
Jerry McDonald - @SmithNorm If the Raiders wanted Saunders to stay, they likely wouldn't have told him its OK to explore other options. 02-03
Clint Wood from San Jose wants to know if I like the Raiders’ hire of coach Dennis Allen.
BW: I really do like it. I think it could be a big score for Oakland. I could see Allen being there for the long term. Now, there are risks involved and there is no guaranteed that Allen will be a successful head coach. At 39, perhaps he’s not ready. But I think it was a worthwhile risk. He is a football man through and through and he is good at the things that makes people good head coaches. He's tough, organized, detailed and he’s a people person. Again, we don’t know for sure Allen will be a coaching star, but he has a real chance to be.
With Al Davis out of the picture it appears that Goodell thinks he's a bully!!!
Los Angeles suddenly long-shot option for Raiders
By Steve Corkran
Raiders owner Mark Davis said Jan. 10 that he already has received offers from investors who want to build stadiums in the Los Angeles area about the prospect of the Raiders relocating to the part of the state they left after the 1994 season.
Davis declined to go into specifics. However, he made it abundantly clear that Los Angeles remains a viable option as long as the Raiders don’t have a better option than the Oakland Coliseum in its current state.
“Los Angeles is a possibility,” Davis said. “Wherever’s a possibility. We need a stadium.”
NFL commissioner Roger Goodell splahsed a tub of cold water on the Raiders, or any other NFL team, moving to Los Angeles by saying, “We want to keep our teams where they are.”
Further, Goodell said if the NFL returns to Los Angeles at some point, it likely would be with one or two expansion teams.
The Raiders lease extension with the Coliseum expires after the 2013 season. At this point, their options are: sign an extension or find a way to get a new stadium built.
The 49ers moved closer to getting their new stadium by receiving a $200 million loan from the NFL, with no language providing the 49ers be joint tenants with the Raiders.
Not that that matters anyway. The 49ers and Raiders want their own stadiums. Until now, Los Angeles seemed like the Raiders’ best option.
“There’s offers on the table, but I wouldn’t talk about them,” Davis said of Los Angeles. “If there was an offer that we liked, we would’ve taken it. Let me put it that way. And there’s not.”
The clock is ticking.
PantyRaider....I hope Jr Has In In Him To Kick Some NFL Ass!!!
Goodell: All teams to go prime time in new Thursday night slate
"Thursday Night Football" games will be played from Weeks 2 to 15 next season, increasing the number of contests broadcast on NFL Network from eight to 13.
"This will result in every team appearing in Thursday football games and every team having a prime-time appearance throughout the season,"
Info: From Cinncy...
ex-Bengali - more inside comments on CP3 & ochostinko,,,
Local sports radio was broadcasting from SB’s Radio Row and one guest was Dave Lapham, former Bengali & longtime Color Analyst for Bengals radio network.
The topic of Chad Ostinko came up and any impact he will have on game. Lap was VERY clear that if receivers do NOT run accurate routes in NE, Brady gets them off the field – he has that power in NE. That has been 85’s problem for pats this year and why he has only 15 receptions.
Lap also reiterated when Chad devolved into a diva, Carson would continue to be frustrated by the inaccurate routes resulting in increasing INTs. But 85 was protected by both the owner/GM and head coach.
I really hope CP3 and the receivers get on same page during OTAs and TC. A timing passer like CP and Brady depend on accurate routes.
"Steve Hoffman ST coordinator from The Chiefs has been hired by the Raiders."
I don't know much about the guy but I believe the Chiefs had decent ST.
Raiders' ST hurt them at critical times. Fassel was given the two best kickers in the league but that didn't help him keep his job.
Thanks H. I've never posted here before, but this is my favorite Raiders blog.
Looks like the Raiders will not be going to L.A. As Cartel kingpins go, Goodell gives Pablo Escobar a run for his money and if he says there will be only expansion teams there, that's pretty much end of story. Good for us Oaktowners, I guess if there's enough local money to build a new stadium.
I'm on the fence with the whole Hue Jackson thing.
The cards were stacked against Jackson from Day 1. He didn't start out with the authority other HCs enjoy. While I agree he was given carte blanche after AL died, he was battling pre-existing dysfunction.
Jackson did say that he spoke with Bresnahan about improving the defense, and they even showed flashes of improvement right before the last game (beating the Chiefs mostly with defense).
That said, ultimate responsibility always rests at the top of the chain. That was always my contention with Al Davis while he resided over the worst stretch in NFL history.
While it is true that assistant coaches are there to further the design of the HC, it is not true that it doesn't really matter who those assistants are.
Assistant coaches must have experience in the styles of O and D that the HC wishes to run, AND your mix of coaches must meld into a functioning unit.
And therein lies MY concern.
The Wiz has been retained as assistant offensive line coach. I think it is highly important to have coaches who were once successful players on successful Raider teams. But with that said, I question the retention of the Wiz.
Frank Pollack has been hired as our Offensive Line Coach. Pollack is a Zone Blocking specialist. One has to assume, then, we will be returning to a zone blocking system.
Steve Wisniewski doesn't have zone blocking on his resume. The Raiders didn't believe in it when he played for us, and we didn't use it last year.
The last time we had offensive line coaches with conflicting philosophies was during the Shell debacle. Remember our offensive line that season?
Just asking.
Oh no, Wiz must be being held against his will and his philosophies don't match = the sky is falling and it's going to be just like Art II. Have an idea...how bout waiting till at least the 1st mini camp to get an idea of what the scheme will be? All this guessing makes for good provoking if nothing else?
Assistants need to be trusted mostly by the HC to carry out his ideas, this promotes being on the "same page". Reggie made it very clear that's how he wants the team run. Allen made it very clear what kind of Offense he wants...if they go to zone blocking...has there been any other teams who have been successful with it? I know Mr.Davis and his worshippers hate it, but can it work? That is to say IF this is the scheme.
JONES
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"I fully expect the offense to take a step back..
But I also expect the defense to make up for most of the difference."
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I agree.
I don't understand why these people that everyone was so excited about would turn to somebody like Knapp, hell, I'd feel better about throwing some greenhorn up and comer into the job rather than someone that is a career underachiever on his last desperate leg. We've tried kicking Lucy's ball before...
But maybe it will work...
Coach Jackson would have never been a HC on any other team, he got the job because Mr.Davis was running out of stooges. When Mr.Davis passed, we saw the real Coach Jackson and it wasn't good enough. Jackson saying he spoke to Chuck about improving shows he had no idea how to go about it = not a HC. The KC game is a poor example that they were moving forward defensively, that game was a debacle.
JONES
..."Thats how big a thing coaching is."...
This coming from a guy who always blamed the players for the coaching carousel that was Oakland? Does being consistent mean anything?
JONES
"NYR"..
Let me point our your contradictions so just maybe you will come to a little different understanding:
"The cards were stacked against Jackson from Day 1. He didn't start out with the authority other HCs enjoy."
"ultimate responsibility always rests at the top of the chain."
This has been a consistent problem on this board!!!
If on one hand you say hire a "HC" and give him the authority to hire and coach without intervention but on the other hand piss on management for not intervening than what do you got if not one huge contradiction???
Al Davis was responsible for hiring some real piss poor "HC"s and some piss poor assistance...We can prolley all agree with that...Al Davis also fired those piss poor "HC"s and assistance after they failed to do the job they were given...Usually at the end of the season but not always...
In the interim they were allowed to fall on their own collective faces to the chagrin of most us us fans...But that was their Bad!!!
So now we have Reggie as the new "GM"...At what point are you preaching intervention???
1-n-4 record to start the season???
2 more seasons of 8-n-8 mediocrity???
Or at the end of the 4 yr term of his contract as stipulated when hired???
You make the call...When should Reggie strep in???
When should Marc step in???
PantyRaider...I'm All Ears!!!/_
"BR"...
This is why I have to question the idea of some sort of hybrid "OL" blocking scheme...Just seems like they are pulling in opposite directions??
Two contrasting philosophies that both have their own effectiveness and also their own weaknesses...But I fear by trying to weld them together we will only get the weaknesses out of them???
PantyRaider...Suspicious It Don't Work!!!/_
I'll take it one step further and say this is what I expect to see the 1st week of the preseason:
"Coach Allen...Why did you leave several veteran players inactive for this 1st preseason game"??
"If their not putting it on the line in practice all week they won't be in that game for me"!!!
"So is this going to be an ongoing situation now"???
"Lets hope not...But if you don't practice well you won't play me and I'll go find someone who will"!!!
That's if "Dennis The Menace" is as tough and disciplined as he's pimped to be...
PantyRaider....NO Scholarships -n- NO Slacking!!!/_
Oh, so now it's the coaches that Mr.Davis hired, it was their fault. Jumps from the players, to the coaches...but never the guy who picked those players and coaches....then he says he is going to clear it up for a guy who knows it falls on who hired those coaches and players. Bring in the CLOWN... BANG HEAD HERE.
JONES
Then he says No scholarships when he denied there ever was scholarships....o da horor.
JONES
"Al Davis was responsible for hiring some real piss poor "HC"s and some piss poor assistance...We can prolley all agree with that..." (PR)
Yes we can.
I expect to hold McKenzie just as accountable.
I believe the current process will have far greater communication and cohesion than past regimes.
I certainly don't expect Allen to immediately flame out, but I am prepared to hold McKenzie at least partly responsible if he does... that will depend on how McKenzie responds.
Taking it a step further; if McKenzie misses on 2-3 HCs in a row, I would say that his job is at stake.
By comparison, AL went thru, what, six HC failures in nine seasons. That has to be an NFL record.
Best owner in football; but he stuck with his passion for managing the whole thing far too long. Sorry, it's just my opinion.
"NYR"...
You completely avoided the question:
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So now we have Reggie as the new "GM"...At what point are you preaching intervention???
1-n-4 record to start the season???
2 more seasons of 8-n-8 mediocrity???
Or at the end of the 4 yr term of his contract as stipulated when hired???
You make the call...When should Reggie strep in???
When should Marc step in???
The hypotheticals abound, what IF, when, how , why...o da horor. The mental masterbation is way over the top...imagine what peter must go through...o da horor.
JONES
..."You make the call..."
When are you going to make the bet? If you are so sure that Reggie will have to be called out, make the freakin bet. Or is it just a kid's game?
JONES
If McKenzie does a poor job as GM, it will be Mark Davis' call when to show him the door.
If Allen does a poor job as HC, it will be up to McKenzie when to show him the door.
If an assistant coach on Allen's staff does a poor job, it will be up to Allen twhen to show him the door.
If there is a need to "step in" or "intervene" it will be largely based on poor results on the field.
However, there is no pre-determined time table nor should there be.
Although their is clear accountability, make no mistake, it is also a partnership between Davis, McKenzie, and Allen.
Tarver's work with first year starters A.J. Tarpley and Jarek Lancaster was instrumental in solidifying Stanford's defensive unit following the loss all-conference linebacker Shayne Skov early in the season. Lancaster finished the year leading the team in total tackles with 70, while Tarpley ranked third with 57.
Outside linebacker Chase Thomas, who had 8.5 sacks among his 17.5 tackles-for-loss in 2011, was named a Sporting News All-American in addition to earning first team all-conference honors. Safety Delano Howell also earned first team all-conference marks, despite missing three game with injury.
Tarver served as quality control coach for the 49ers from 2001-03 before he was promoted to assistant running backs/offensive assistant coach for the 2004 campaign. He served as San Francisco's outside linebacker's coach for six seasons (2005-10) prior to his appointment at Stanford.
Under Tarver's guidance in 2009, the 49ers outside linebackers recorded 15 takeaways, 17.5 sacks and nine forced fumbles, setting the edge for a run defense that ranked sixth-best in the NFL. Linebacker Manny Lawson enjoyed a breakout season as he led the team with a career high 6.5 sacks, while Ahmad Brooks recorded a career best 6.0 sacks. Parys Haralson also posted 5.0 sacks. Both Lawson and Brooks recorded four forced fumbles, which tied the 49ers single season record. The 49ers finished the season ranked tied for third in the NFL in sacks (44), tied for first in forced fumbles (21) and fourth in points allowed per game (17.6).
In 2007, Tarver played an instrumental role in the development of Haralson, who was elevated to a starting role after Lawson was lost for the season with injury during the second week of the season. A year later, Haralson led the team with a career-high 8.0 sacks, a total which tied for second among NFC linebackers.
Prior to joining the 49ers in 2001, Tarver spent three seasons (1998-2000) as a graduate assistant coach at UCLA, where he worked primarily with the defensive backs while assisting with the special teams. During his tenure with the Bruins, three defensive backs - cornerbacks Ricky Manning and Jason Bell along with safety Marques Anderson - joined the NFL ranks.
I'd very much like the Tarver hire.
Get young energetic guys in on defense...
Git er done!
Anyone know why the Raiders can't deny KC from speaking to Saunders like everyone else is doing to the Raiders about assistants?
ESPECIALLY KC?
Attention to details folks...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9Hv1qtkyA0
Yes!!...Now this sounds like an interesting hire???
Raiders | Stanford DC under consideration
Sat, 04 Feb 2012 20:09:19 -0800
The Oakland Raiders are considered Stanford defensive coordinator Jason Tarver for their vacant defensive coordinator position.
This is a "Personally" imposed time table NOT according to any league rules or ethics!!!
When would you expect Reggie/Marc to step in???
When does your confidence/trust become shaken???
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So now we have Reggie as the new "GM"...At what point are you preaching intervention???
1-n-4 record to start the season???
2 more seasons of 8-n-8 mediocrity???
Or at the end of the 4 yr term of his contract as stipulated when hired???
You make the call...When should Reggie strep in???
When should Marc step in???
GG, this is the only Raider blog I like... it's set up well, 'Take authors and moderates like a good coach, and there are a bunch of pirates on the ship. Welcome aboard. I've read this blog for several years but only recently have I posted a bit, yer banter is Raider blood... cheers.
Panty, that other Raiders blog is irritating, but a decent news spot, no? What is is, Silver Black Blog?
This is the ship.
Sounds like Tarver is our new DC. I like young new blood. Much better than the offense's hire thus far... seems like a step back for the offense (or they are hoping it doesn't matter) while the defense is looking for a voltage charge.
It might actually work.
Conservative ball control offense and aggressive defense... I dunno?
I am coming around...
Oakland Raiders: Sources told us this afternoon that Stanford co-defensive coordinator Jason Tarver has accepted the defensive coordinator job with the Raiders.
No confirmation yet from the Raiders.
Gary...
Problem is Allan backed up Tebow who did nothing for 3 1/2 quarters but pulled it out in the end if it was close...That was a very talentless "O" aside from running the ball...No doubt we have the horses to run as well if not better and posibly the "OL" as well if coached properly...
But we also have a "QB" that can hit a target and be superb with timing routs so unless Knapp is going to wake up some hidden aggressions long hidden deep inside this "QB" talent will go to waste...
May as well just keep "JC" if all we want to do is hand off and run!!!
Or!!!....Could Pryor be in the mix???
6'6" 235#s -w- 4.28 speed hands and an arm!!!
Could LaMichael James take McFadden’s place in Oakland?
http://network.yardbarker.com
/nfl/article_external
/could_lamichael_james
_take_mcfaddens_place
_in_oakland/9760405
Sounds like a game plan is being formulated. Makes sense at this time. Love DMC, but if he's not healthy enough to make a 16 game season. Then we need to look into the future. Come on Reggie, work your magic...
Where did this come from...I don't see anything according to this yet???
Blogger Mr.Duva32 said...
Oakland Raiders: Sources told us this afternoon that Stanford co-defensive coordinator Jason Tarver has accepted the defensive coordinator job with the Raiders.
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Wiki already has him as our DC
Jason Tarver (born August 28, 1974) is an American football coach, and currently the defensive coordinator for the Oakland Raiders. Previously, he was co-defensive coordinator and inside linebacker coach for the Stanford Cardinal football team.
Mr.Duva32...
Unfortunately "YardBarkers" -n- "BleacherReport" are no more reliable than some of the speculative crap that's posted here or on any other fan board...Ya have to wade threw it to find out what has merit and what's just crap!!!...
It's cool to ask questions and make comparisons while pimping your personal speculations as a "What If" but far too many fantasy life would be "Mediot"s just blow smoke out the ass as if it's all true...
Some may consider such tripe as just LIES!!!
Yup!!...He's playing you like a worn out fiddle!!!!
It's all about that $$$$$ Game -n- Fame!!!
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"It could be something in my future," Tebow said. "It's something I'll have to think about and if I pray about, you know, I have no idea right now. But possibly."
Tebow's consideration makes complete sense. After all, Tebow makes no bones about his Evangelical Christian faith and according pro-life stance on abortion, something he feels so strongly about that he starred in a Super Bowl ad about the issue in 2010. Tebow is already a darling among the Republican party, too, with more than one GOP presidential candidate courting him for an endorsement.
So, yeah, all things considered, why wouldn't politics seem like a good fit for Tebow?
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Well one thing for damn sure....He'll never get my vote nor any other Republican!!!...
Come to think of it few Demo's even get my support!!!
Anyone know why the Raiders can't deny KC from speaking to Saunders like everyone else is doing to the Raiders about assistants?
ESPECIALLY KC?
Attention to details folks...
Because the Raiders organization gave Saunders the liberty to find employment elsewhere.
John Dickinson (who?) is tweeting that Jason Tarver has agreed to
become our next DC….don’t really know if its true but just wanted u guys to know
..."Anyone know why the Raiders can't deny KC from speaking to Saunders like everyone else is doing to the Raiders about assistants?..."
Seems that Raider Mgmt don't really care, Saunders is no threat to the Raiders and don't you find it kind of classless to hold a guy back from getting a new job? I think the "new way" is not so much about vendettas anymore....like a local writer writing that Mark Davis is going to want to start a lawsuit because the league approved a loan to SF. I think those days are done, seems some people just can't accept it.
JONES
When is the boner for Tebought going to end? This is a Raider blog, who gives 2 flying shits about Denver? Except for closet Donkey fans? When are you going to start up about Rivers? 'Big Ben'? Tommy boy Brady? Fugg em and anyone who follows them.
JONES
PR-
"It's cool to ask questions and make comparisons while pimping your personal speculations as a "What If" but far too many fantasy life would be "Mediot"s just blow smoke out the ass as if it's all true..."
The source was http://www.footballscoop.com/the-scoop.
Which came from http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/ that a fellow fan tweeted.
Not "pimping your personal speculations"
Then you write the following:
"John Dickinson (who?) is tweeting that Jason Tarver has agreed to
become our next DC….don’t really know if its true but just wanted u guys to know"
Like your constant updates of all that is Raider news on the hour by the hour. But no need to critique everyone's take when we're all here to blog and keep things informative.
Thank You…..
Just keeping it Real…
"when does your confidence/trust become shaken???"
Speculating about McKenzie/Davis needing to step in seems ridiculous and rather negative when you consider that Allen has been on the job for less than 2 weeks and is 0-0 as our HC.
My hopes and expectations for Allen are sky high. Nothing has happened to shake my trust and confidence in Allen. Of course the TRUE measure of trust and confidence will need to be backed up with positive results on the field.
Here's a video of Jason Tarver Talking about Defense
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQ_fkc4I6lk
JackAss!!!...
I was posting to a proven man..."NYR" in reply to his thoughts...NOT your JackSmack of consistent stupidity and Premature Jackulations!!!!!!
Mr.Duva32...
I'm rather glad to see you got your tail in a knot...Hope it hurts!!!
This:
""It's cool to ask questions and make comparisons while pimping your personal speculations as a "What If" but far too many fantasy life would be "Mediot"s just blow smoke out the ass as if it's all true...""
Was relating to this:
"Unfortunately "YardBarkers" -n- "BleacherReport" are no more reliable than some of the speculative crap that's posted here or on any other fan board..."
NOT This:
"Oakland Raiders: Sources told us this afternoon that Stanford co-defensive coordinator Jason Tarver has accepted the defensive coordinator job with the Raiders."
So if you consider a source such as YardBarkers/BleacherReport respectable info than your criteria are very very low!!!...Which means your prolley willing to swallow the totally unsupported/unsubstantiated propaganda that's posted hare as though it the TRUTH and factual!!!
Usually when something is "Copy/Posted it's rather easy to take a segment and copy-paste it in a search and recover that source...Yours was apparently paraphrased so it came up negative which is why I asked for the source....
Just to keep it real...
Correction:
Usually when something is "Copy/Posted" it's rather easy to take a segment and copy-paste it in a search and recover that source...Yours was **~(apparently NOT paraphrased)~** but it came up negative which is why I asked for the source....
Just to keep it real...
Is this our new "DC"???
In 2001 Jason Tarver had finished three years as a graduate assistant on UCLA coach Bob Toledo's staff. He had a master's degree in biochemistry and molecular biology.
But there he was, sitting at a conference table at the 49ers' headquarters. Bill Walsh was there. So was Steve Mariucci, then the head coach, along with others.
"Why the heck do you want to be doing this?" they asked.
He's been asked the question quite a few times over the years in a career that led him this year to become co-defensive coordinator at Stanford. He and Derek Mason guide a unit that leads the nation in run defense.
Here's all you need to know about his skills as a coach: He was hired by Mariucci, then retained by Dennis Erickson, Mike Nolan and Mike Singletary. Counting Jim Tomsula, who coached the 2010 finale after Singletary was fired, he worked for five head coaches in one organization.
Jim Harbaugh would have kept him, too, but David Shaw offered him a key position at Stanford.
He's 37 now, and still gets asked: "Why coach?"
He says he caught the coaching bug at West Valley College in Saratoga. He had gotten a scholarship to play at Santa Clara, which dropped football a few months later. He took a detour to play at the junior college and later coached there while completing his degree.
"I really love the look on guys' faces when you help them make a play," he said. "It's almost better than doing it yourself. That's what really made me want to do this.
"And then, I like to see 22 guys running around and see how it all fits together. That's a puzzle that's always fun. It's a moving puzzle every single play, and you've got to figure it out between the plays."
There's even a parallel between football and molecular biology, he said. "The process - making the complex seem simple so that you can execute it. In research, you apply the rules you know to reactions and try something new. It's the same thing when you teach a guy how to run a blitz. He may deal with something new, but as long as he starts the process correctly, then you deal with what happens."
His father used to work at Stanford, and Jason's earliest football memories are of watching John Elway at Stanford Stadium.
"So now we have Reggie as the new "GM"...At what point are you preaching intervention???" (PR)
This is new territory for the Raiders. I don't know if we ever see "intervention" (or lack thereof) like we've seen in the past.
It's a partnership. On some level, if one fails, they all fail. However, if you want to identify a chain of command, CJ laid it out the way I see it.
The timing of any "intervention" is based on circumstances which nobody can predict.
I will say this, should circumstances require action, I hope triggers are pulled before we bang our heads against the wall....
Gary - you and other nay-sayers suddenly seem excited about the prospect of Stanford co-defensive coordinator Jason Tarver being the Raiders DC.
I find that interesting because, from what I've read, Tarver has very little experience coaching defense. He's mostly been a coach of the offense.
So it took the prospect of bringing in a guy with minimal experience to get you excited about the coaching?
The obvious save here is that Allen's strength is defense.
Jones - I know using the KC game as an example was a reach but I'm not totally down on Jackson the way you are.
My take on Jackson is still mixed. I think he might be a good HC some day. He seems smart enough to reflect on his mistakes as a rookie HC and learn from that.
For now, I wouldn't make too much of Jackson not being hired by another team. The Raiders are still on the hook for his 2012 salary, and I would guess he's in no hurry to step backwards into a coordinator position.
Jason Tarver:
1996–1997 West Valley College(LB/DB/ST)
1998–2000 UCLA (GA)
2001–2003 San Francisco 49ers (OQC)
2004 (asst. RB) San Francisco 49ers
2005–2010 49ers (OLB)
2011 Stanford (co-DC/ILB)
Played "D"-n-"ST"s as "P" 2 seasons
Coached "D" 10 seasons
Coached "O" 4 seasons
16 seasons total
"NYR"...
Key words here are "Young Fiery Aggressively Imaginative Coach Who Loves The Challenge" NOT some retread with a history of failures including right here with the Raiders while being ultra conservative and highly predictable doing it...
So ya!!...If there's reason to get excited about a new young fiery "HC" with only one season experience as a "DC" than there's also reason to get just as excited about a new young fiery "DC" who fits the same basic picture...
By the way...Ya think maybe his time as "OQC"-n-"RB"s coach might have added to his ability to understand how to stop the run???
"NYR"...
"I will say this, should circumstances require action, I hope triggers are pulled before we bang our heads against the wall...."
Now that's the point isn't it...So I will wait-n-see what transpires and if or when we are "Banging our heads against the wall" see what you "New Age Optimist Pimps" are posting than and bring your memories back to this point...
Hopefully we never see that losing environment again...Enough was enough...But if we do I'm quite sure you will be right there beating your fits against the wall with the rest of the fallen "New Age Optimist Pimps" crying in a bucket of tears...
For the record at this point:
The "D"-n-"ST"s looked to be on their way towards improvement based upon the new coaching staff...
Can't say the same for the "O" at this point in time...Prolley regressed!!!
PantyRaider...Two Steps Forward -n- One Huge Step Back!!!/_
This is all one big intervention right now. We'll see if it works. I'm optimistic.
I still don't get the whole Al Saunders thing. What, exactly, has he accomplished in the NFL over the past five years that should make me concerned about losing him? Can someone answer that?
I've never seen so much concern expressed over a one-year OC who didn't call the plays.
JONES, you deliver your typical straw man argument. I never commented on whether or not there was dissension in the ranks, I questioned the hire of Wiz because he has no experience in the ZBS. But I imagine he's happy to have the job.
Your position all along has been clear. As long as NO decisions are made by Al Davis, it's a great decision.
My position remains the same. Decisions NOT made by Al Davis can range in spectrum from excellent to horrible, no matter what you thought of Davis' decision making ability.
NYR...I'm just saying what Hue is..he proved what he was, proof is in the pudding. I'm sure "Hue taking a year off" will just add to his Resume? What coach wants to take a year off? One that isn't committed enough? Too many nail appointments? Hue won't be hired as a HC, sorry to burst your bubble.
JONES
Whatever Blanda, nice swipes...you are king of 'strawman'.
JONES
HA HA...Mr.Duva,,,looks like you have to ask for permission from the 'king' of copy and paste to copy and paste....it gets very offended when someone beats it on a scoop...kinda like a little kid.
What a mature individual it is....proof is in the pudding. The dummy thinks he/she is the only one that reads Raider related articles and we are all supposed to be so thankful that he reposts it on here...like he/she actually had anything to do with the articles. O da ego an arrogance just REEKS from IT.
JONES
"RT"...
Are you asking me to go back and "Copy/Post" the last time I answered That Question???
Your boy Knapp isn't exactly lighting anything up the last half decade or so!!!
Calico, it was clear that Saunders was free to look for work elsewhere the moment Knapp was hired. At that moment, it was clear as well that there would be no room on the staff or Sauders. The offensive coaches become the province of both Knapp and Allen who are both going to staff with people they know. Neither has a history with Saunders.
As for KC denying us permission to interview their staff, that's to be expected. Without the changeover of our organization, if we had felt that our team improved with the existing staff we might well have denied division rivals the opportunity to raid it.
I really don't see any controversy here.
We should consider that the reason the DC is taking so long to acquire is because Allen has his sights set on someone with the Giants or Patriots. By performance, this season, I'd hope for the Giants. They had a better defense. NE had to out score everyone all season.
BR,
I fully understand what happened with Saunders and by no means think there is any controversy whatsoever. Take it up with Gary who posted,
"Anyone know why the Raiders can't deny KC from speaking to Saunders like everyone else is doing to the Raiders about assistants?
ESPECIALLY KC?"
Attention to details folks..."
Which I replied;
Because the Raiders organization gave Saunders the liberty to find employment elsewhere.
"We'll see if it works. I'm optimistic." RT
Exactly.
The unnecessary, premature, negative speculation of the need for "an intervention" or "stepping in" is the ultimate manifesto of a true doom and gloomer.
A lot transpires in an NFL 12 month window. The new Raiders era started on Jan. 5th.
We are still assembling our coaching staff. McKenzie, Allen, and the scouting group will be preparing for the draft. McKenzie and Allen are still in the process of evaluating the roster and free agency. There are OTAs, mini-camp, training camp, and pre-season BEFORE the regular season even begins.
Yet, Ms. Idiot herself wants to talk about a time-table for an intervention?
Typical "JackSmack" from the same punk ass who shared all his "Premature Jackulations" about being "Champions" with that Demon on the last thread when we had only one fuckin coach of record!!!...
Yikes!!...How can anyone be that damn dumb!!!
But to top it off tried to argue in absolute stupidity that we never posted a top 10 "O" this past season when every stat record keeping identity in the sports world has us note as such!!!
Now it don't get any dumber than that "JackSquat"!!!
Just proving your football ignorance after already proving your outright cowardice -n- faithlessness as regards anything wagered!!!
No damn wonder the corporate world is in such a freakin mess!!!
..."about being "Champions" with that Demon on the last thread when we had only one fuckin coach of record!!!..."
BACK YOUR WORDS, the bet is on the table and you won't even acknowledge it. If saying the Raiders are going to win the West next season is so dumb, it should be a slamdunk for you....but he plays his little kid's game... what a fraud.
JONES
* Lovin' the new era.
* Excited about the McKenzie/Allen partnership.
* Predicting AFCW champs.
* Hopes and expectations sky high.
* Optimism in full abundance.
* Bullish on the Raiders.
How is that doom and gloom working for you, Miss Sky is Falling?
Jones,
Don't bother. It is obvious that you've boxed her in. She is torn. She doesn't have faith/trust/confidence in McKenzie and Allen. It is absolutely killing her that we are optimistic about the Raiders future.
I hear you Jack...the boy/girl's gig is up...it has gone to posting Tebought stories to try and get attention, what a whore. It kills me, in a funny way, when it writes like it's the authority of reason...it must be an act cause no one can really be that stupid?
JONES
Jones and CJ-
I AGREE WITH YOU BOTH LOL!!!!
Jones - not sure I totally understand your post about Jackson, but I'm sure he would prefer a HC position sooner rather than later.... I guess the mere fact that he won't get one this year lends credence to your post.
NYR...Hue isn't a HC, he proved it already, if another team hires him as the HC, they are idiots. Best he could do in the NFL is an OC. Maybe Dallas might hire him to go along with 'Tubby' Ryan? Jones likes to see himself as a young Al Davis...maybe there is hope for him as a HC afterall?
JONES
RT,
Time to BAN this wetpanties FOOL off this blog.
NEGATIVE NANCY lives in the past. Time to move on you whinning little BITCH.
NEGATIVE NANCY GET A FRICKON LIFE ALREADY!!!
GO RAIDERS!!!
SCALR8R
"NEGATIVE NANCY lives in the past. Time to move on you whinning little BITCH." - SCALR8R
Bulls-eye, SCALR8R. Unfortunately, the Sky is Falling Diva relishes the attention and hasn't yet grasped the fact that the Raiders are embarking on a brand new era.
...still all this speculative infighting? arrrrgggggg
Ah!!...Now ain't this sweet...
The 3 little bitches -w- shadow joining hands in their little "CircleJerk" -w- "Jack-Off-Jack" playing the part of the "Girly Boy" trolling for "Male-Panty-Probes"!!!
NOT my gig Bitch but keep advertising I'm sure you'll find someone to hold your "Little Teeny Chicken Winnie!!!
LoL!!!....
"The Comradely Of The Liar"!!!
Well, I am convinced that conservative can win championships... I don't know if you could watch anymore of a conservative offense or defense from the Giants tonight. A handful of blitzes... a frigging PREVENT on the three yard line. Endless runs up the gut with a moron RB that fumbles and doesn't know enough to fall down when the other team is letting him score.
This was an ugly win between a battle of two mediocre teams with two very good QB's and not much else.
The McKenzie/Allen plan could very well work!
That is if Palmer buys into it, and we get the "good Palmer" in any playoff games...
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I still don't get the whole Al Saunders thing. What, exactly, has he accomplished in the NFL over the past five years that should make me concerned about losing him? Can someone answer that?
I've never seen so much concern expressed over a one-year OC who didn't call the plays.
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I think its pretty simple.
He is viewed as part of the architect of the previous offense that was pretty stellar (despite everyone here saying there should be no excuses for injuries.. oh wait... that makes it even MORE stellar) and it would make Allens job a TON easier as a transition.
If you take over a new business you don't just kick every management person out the door haphazardly and expect the results to be the same.
This is basically Business 101.
I am not saying it cannot work with this business model, just that is FAR from a sure thing.
I certainly don't expect any of the people cheering this cleansing process to squeal if it doesn't work out anytime soon... right RT???
Right Jones?
Right CJ???
Not a squeal in the world if we end up worse off next year... right buds?
If I see a "clown car" from RT next year I can tell him exactly where he can stick it... would anyone agree?
This should be expected from firing every key management person in charge of coaching.
Just sayin...
Let me elaborate in case my point isn't very clear... if I took over a business that had a pretty stellar sales dept... and fired the managers from that dept and brought back a former manager to work for the same company that was hands down WORSE in sales (and hasn't done shit since).. wouldn't there be some eyebrows raised?
How much simpler can I make this?
This could be a friggin grease fire.
I am just saying... there should be no surprises...
I am also saying under perfect circumstances it could work out... pretty much McF and Palmer being in perfect health.
I don't get why this is so difficult for people to figure out the outrage... its really a HUGE maniacal gamble.
On par of anything Al ever did...
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Calico Jack said...
"NEGATIVE NANCY lives in the past. Time to move on you whinning little BITCH." - SCALR8R
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I assume you missed PR saying the losses of the offense could be made up for by the gains on defense?
And I agreed.
Look... this was a monumental gamble on the new owners part to blow up the managers of successful business division.
Sorry if you don't like us pointing out the emperor wears no clothes.
Get over it.
Gary...
Perfect analogy..
But they still won't get it because they simply don't want to just like all those seasons past when they closed their collective eyes to anything working and focused in on anything that didn't even if they had to make shit up!!!
That's their premise and the foundation of their existence while trying to promote endless debates in the realm of stupidity!!!
Than when one of their own tactics is turned back towards them they're in total denial of any accountability...Thus the attempts of denial regarding:
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So now we have Reggie as the new "GM"...At what point are you preaching intervention???
1-n-4 record to start the season???
2 more seasons of 8-n-8 mediocrity???
Or at the end of the 4 yr term of his contract as stipulated when hired???
You make the call...When should Reggie strep in???
When should Marc step in???
What A freakin Sapp!!!
http://www.tmz.com/2012/02/06/warren-sapp-alimony-child-support/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter#.Ty-VRIEROSo
Laughable...After all his big mouth ramblings he becomes exposed as the low life LIAR that he is!!!
Not even truthful to his own kids!!!
Rather reminds me of some here who can't/won't adhere to truth nor prove faithful to what they wager!!!
Right ScumJack!!!
"Sorry if you don't like us pointing out the emperor wears no clothes." (Gary)
LOL! Where you during the last nine seasons?
Gary,
“Uhh, he was brought in mid-season off his COUCH!”
That excuse is wearing thin. It’s so thin now it’s translucent.
That couch potato was also the quarterback when we won three in a row. That couch potato passed for over 400 yards against the Dolts in the last game with two TD’s and a 102 quarterback rating. That couch potato didn’t give up 460 yards, 31 points and a TD on a kick return to the Dolts. That couch potato was not on the field when the defense gave up a 99 yard drive against Detroit with the game on the line and time running out.
Now, if you want to talk about whether or not Carson Palmer was worth the price we paid, I would say no. But, his inactivity was not the reason we sucked and went 1-4.
“I want what you are drinking!”
Smoked Porter. Made it myself. Pretty good too. And, yes Michael Bush could be the starter for 20 or more teams. I’d even bet the Patsies wish they had someone like Bush in the Super Bowl.
People seem to forget, had Bush not been injured his senior year, he was projected as a top ten pick and one of the Heisman favorites.
Yes, he’s different from McFadden. But, he’s still damn good.
“If you take over a new business you don't just kick every management person out the door haphazardly and expect the results to be the same.”
Could you point out what was haphazard about it?
- When the season ended, Mark Davis hired the man he wanted, with input from trusted individuals.
- Mark Davis did not fire Hue Jackson, he left that decision to the man he hired to run the football side of the operation.
- That person decided he wanted a new head coach.
- After about two weeks and several interviews, he hired the one he felt best fit the bill.
- That new head coach has hired some, retained some and is still looking for other assistants after interviewing some that were not hired.
Sounds fairly methodical to me.
Blanda,
About Wiz being retained. I believe that is a positive. The OL was a major bright spot for the team. The development of Wiz 2.0 is significant. Also, Carlisle had a decent year. Wiz handled the guards. I think with both him and Pollack on board they will evaluate which way to go, then move in that direction. Wiz may have significant input as to what system we use on the OL.
GGRaider,
I don’t understand the whole expansion talk and eighteen game schedule thing now. The NFL has achieved near perfection. Thirty-two teams, all regions covered (well except maybe for Guam), eight divisions in two conferences, balanced predictable schedules. I hated those unbalanced schedules when we had home and home against four teams instead of three.
If a team wants to move to LA go for it. But, all expansion is going to do is dilute the product. Do they keep expanding until every college player gets a shot?
H
Raiders | Expected to hire Jason Tarver
Mon, 06 Feb 2012 07:16:14 -0800
Stanford co-defensive coordinator Jason Tarver is likely to be announced as the Oakland Raiders' new defensive coordinator early this week.
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Could you point out what was haphazard about it?
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Firing two successful managers of a "sales" team and bringing back an old unsuccessful manager seems kinda haphazard by definition.
Is that what YOU would do if you were hired as a CEO of a business?
You're just desperately trying to spin this.
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nyraider said...
"Sorry if you don't like us pointing out the emperor wears no clothes." (Gary)
LOL! Where you during the last nine seasons?
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Hey I am fine with that. I don't think I was trying to pretend horrible hires were just awesome! Anyone see me saying Art Shell/ Tom Walsh and Breshnahan were the answers???
Why are you now suddenly so resistant to "reality?"
The Knapp hire is EXACTLY what drove you crazy about Al.
Now its suddenly genius.
Amazing.
Tarver is in as DC. Thats the kind of hire I was hoping for on the offensive side.
We get Knapp instead... and I am supposed to drink the koolade and pretend that isn't the worst attribute of Al.
Okee dokeee
Give it up G-dog, you = troll...how's the action on the other sites? Gettin any 'bites'?
JONES
After 2006 the thinking was that our defense is fine, if our offense could improve, we'd be able to compete with the rest of the division. Our offense improved - then our defense went south.
This off season the thinking seems to be that our offense is fine, if we can maintain it and improve our defense we'll be in the playoffs.
Some here argue that signs are on the horizon that we will repeat what happened in 2006 in reverse.
Others argue that can't happen again because Al Davis is no longer with us and our organization structure is beginning to mirror the rest of the league.
The predictions I'm willing to make so far (subject to change):
Our defense WILL improve significantly.
Our offense will fall below a top ten offense, but still be effective enough for the playoffs IF WE DON'T HAVE SIGNIFICANT INJURIES.
Granted - as has been pointed out - Hue Jackson did an excellent job getting production out of the offense while missing half our
WR corps, our top running back, and bringing a top rated QB off the couch. But I don't see a coaching staff that can improve or fully maintain what we currently have, and I don't think it capable of doing what Jackson did.
We had injuries on defense as well. One of our starting corners never played and Huff was frequently out of the line up. But Jackson is blamed for being unable to do on the defensive side what he did with the offensive side.
Well, Allen will have the same problem Jackson did. As Jackson didn't have sufficient tools (knowledge and coaches) to deal with the defensive side of the ball, Allen does not have sufficient tools to deal with the offensive side of the ball.
They could show me something different. But that's the way it looks to me at the moment.
Well, if that is the way it looks to you Blanda, G-dog, Cable Guy (Jethro)...then the future looks very bright. I can see the Front Office is already running better than it was, that a whole new DIRECTION that wasn't present before.
It's going to be different and with a Front Office working it's ass off and a young coaching staff working the same way (instead of getting their nails done) and on the same page.... The possibilities are much bigger because this is how an Org needs to be run. You still don't and never will get it.
Keep up your criticizing, it makes it more certain that good things are coming. Once the players are in their Mini camps, they will see it, they will become energized. The ones that don't, won't be around...no more sticking around because the owner likes you.
JONES
Not that we don’t need big brains coaching football, but jeez, doesn’t our country have more need for its Stanford-trained scientists to teach the next generation of molecular biologists than to teach the 3-4 defnsive scheme? Doesn’t the fact that this guy stands to make so much more money in football indicate a … I don’t know…values problem?
I really like the Tarver hire and I think this D will be much improved. I think we have a lot of talent and should be able to easily slide into the top half of D's if not the top 10.
I do agree with Gary that Knapp is the type of hire by Al that would have sent me over the edge. Oh well, it is done.
I do think the future is bright and I am excited to see what Reggie can do this offseason. No doubt the degree of difficult is about a 9 because of our lack of draft picks and essentially having to construct an entire front office.
Roy
Hey, what's more important? The Raiders getting back to the top or some silver spooned kids learning how to split the atom? In my time, it's the Raiders getting back on top....welcome Tarver, hope you and Allen can give us a hard hitting, sure tackling, attacking Defense Raider fans have craved for years.
JONES
Kiffin called the plays when Knapp was hired last time, then Knapp had to call the plays after Lance was fired. It was for a few games and I think the QB was who?...This time around, he will have weapons and he will be under the HC's vision.
Who was the HC last time he called plays here? Big Tom, what was the direction? What was the plan? After Lance was fired, did anyone know what their role was in Oakland as far as the coaching went? The HC right now hired someone he could trust to do what he wants. Those comparing the situation to Art II and 'Joe' Walsh aren't to smart.
JONES
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I do agree with Gary that Knapp is the type of hire by Al that would have sent me over the edge. Oh well, it is done.
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I appreciate your honesty Roy. And I concur... it is done. Why? Who knows. But if McFadden stays injury free for once, a run-first ball control offense will be fine. Especially if the defense will improve... which is almost a certainty. I think the D never did believe in the scheme last year under Breshnahas-been.
well, THAT was a game, especially the last 4 mins. the manninham cath was WICKED!
RAIDER NATION COME ON! not a single word about the giants beating the hated patsies, our most hated enemy in the superbowl?
there was no elation after that?
:o|
Scorpio -
One thing for sure, any Raiders fan who rooted for the Pats is no Raiders fan.
Giants are impressive up front on D. They get tremendous pressure with their front four... something Davis preferred but seldom had the talent to accomplish.
I keep harping on this, but the Raiders have to wish they had Sterling Moore back. Moore, probably not so much. Dude was a starter on a SB team and has a promising career ahead of him.
I understand why folks might be a little down on hiring Knapp. It was a bit of a headscratcher for me as well. For better or worse, Knapp is the most experienced of the primary coaching group.
Allen is a rookie HC and Tarver is a rookie as primary DC (as opposed to co-DC) who has mostly offense on his coaching resume.
Still, for my 2 cents, things look like they're shaping up nicely.
I must admit it never gets old watching Brady & Belichick choke away a SB. What a way to end the season.
Roy
I don't expect a drop off in our offensive production.
Our offense should be potent ESPECIALLY with a full, healthy roster and an entire camp.
Can you imagine Run DMc, Jacoby Ford and Denarius Moore healthy for the majority of the 2012 season?
These 3 players alone provide big play, dynamic playmaking abilities.
How about the improvements of Carson Palmer with a full training camp and full complement of offensive skill players?
How about a bump in production for Kevin Boss? And DHB's continued improvement?
I personally think that our offense did well last year IN SPITE of the injury set backs.
I'm trying to spin something?????
"Firing two successful managers of a "sales" team and bringing back an old unsuccessful manager seems kinda haphazard by definition."
What the hell has that got to do with the coaching staff?
If it's an analogy you are reaching for, you missed by a country mile.
It is more typical for a coaching staff to be dismissed when a new GM/HC take over than it is not.
By the way, in the Super Bowl, you had two retread head coaches, with retread assistants out the wazoo, including the Giants OC.
Saunders was a retread OC. Jackson was an OC twice before.
Maybe you do need to drink what I'm drinking.
Jones,
Just nit picking, but spliting atoms is physics, not molecular biology. I know because I watch Big Bang Theory.
Either way the guy should be reasonably smart. And, if his heart is really more in football, the he'll probably be better at that than teaching biology.
As for predictions on how the offense and defense will do, I will withhold any prognostication until I see the makeup of the roster.
So far I'm giving benefit of the doubt to the staff.
H
H...my wife married me for my good looks...
JONES
"Not that we don’t need big brains coaching football, but jeez, doesn’t our country have more need for its Stanford-trained scientists to teach the next generation of molecular biologists than to teach the 3-4 defnsive scheme? Doesn’t the fact that this guy stands to make so much more money in football indicate a … I don’t know…values problem?" - GGR
GGR,
Tarver was very fortunate to find something he was good at, passionate about, at a very early age ... coaching.
(From Yahoo Sports:)
Last fall, the San Francisco Chronicle talked to him about his career, and Tarver discussed the parallel between football and molecular biology, remarking, "The process - making the complex seem simple so that you can execute it. In research, you apply the rules you know to reactions and try something new. It's the same thing when you teach a guy how to run a blitz. He may deal with something new, but as long as he starts the process correctly, then you deal with what happens."
Tarver added, "I really love the look on guys' faces when you help them make a play. It's almost better than doing it yourself. That's what really made me want to do this."
Obviously, if Tarver was hired by Mariucci, then retained by Dennis Erickson, Mike Nolan and Mike Singletary, and even Jim Harbaugh would have liked to have kept him on the 49ers staff, he's probably a good man for the job.
Tarver is from northern California, and despite his young age, he's got a wealth of experience behind him. More than likely, Allen knew what he was doing when he hired this passionate and intelligent man as the Raiders' newest defensive coordinator.
For the first time in years, I see no reason for doom and gloom. I see no established patterns of self-destructive organizational behavior. In fact, there is no pattern, only one that is being made. Nine long years without a winning record, the longest return to mediocrity conceivable. It didn't just happen...It happened to the vaunted OAKLAND RAIDERS. Unbelievable, unacceptable, inexcusable.
Big change was the last and only alternative. It's a clean slate, a new era and a fresh direction.
Buy, sell or hold the Raiders? Buy, buy, buy, baby!
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What the hell has that got to do with the coaching staff?
If it's an analogy you are reaching for, you missed by a country mile.
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The analogy seems pretty apt after watching Art Shell/Tom Walsh, Turner, or the Bresnahas-been flop.
I have to hand it to you.. you sure like to give the Lucy-hold the ol' Charlie Brown kick!
Hey.. maybe with new management it will actually connect!
I used to enjoy your posts, H... hopefully we can find common ground again sometime soon.
Peace.
Gary,
I couple questions to determine your true outlook for 2012:
Do you think McKenzie was the best, most qualified and available GM?
Do you like Allen as our new HC?
Do you like Tarver as our new DC?
Do you think Knapp can carry out Allen's vision of the offense?
Do you think Allen/Knapp have the pieces in place on offense to be a highly productive unit?
Do you like that there is accountability in Davis/McKenzie, McKenzie/Allen, and Allen/coaching staff?
Besides you not being "impressed" with the Knapp hire, what else have you been discouraged by?
Gary,
“I have to hand it to you.. you sure like to give the Lucy-hold the ol' Charlie Brown kick!
Hey.. maybe with new management it will actually connect!
I used to enjoy your posts, H... hopefully we can find common ground again sometime soon.”
Actually, I’m more of the Charlie Brown type. “This year I’m finally going to kick that ball.”
Infernal optimism all the way, that’s me. The Raiders have been my Lucy. I keep saying this is the year, and they keep snatching the ball away. But, I keep coming back to kick the ball. I get a bit guarded during the season, like when we were supposed to be going through a fairly easy part of the schedule and went 1-4.
Now, hope springs eternal. That’s what’s great about sports. The season is officially over and everyone is now 0-0.
I used to practice curmudgeonism, but I gave it up. Takes too much of the joy out of life.
From September 2003 until now I gave the organization the benefit of the doubt because of a 40 year track record in which Al Davis always brought the team back to the playoffs and the Super Bowl. Didn’t happen. But, I kept pulling for the guy. Now, I’m giving them the benefit of the doubt for exactly the opposite reason. No track record, no prejudgment.
If I see something I don’t agree with, I’ll say so. But, in the end I’m always optimistic.
I actually think Knapp will do fairly well. He did well in SF when he had a good quarterback and a solid running game. Any fall off will be minimal to none. The defense, on the other hand, has no place to go but up.
So, if they keep putting that ball out there, I’ll keep trying to kick it.
Jones,
My wife married me for my looks too. But, that was 38 years and several hundred wrinkles ago.
H
Interesting how much heat Gary and Panty (myself, for that matter) take around here for daring to point out potential pitfalls down the road. The attitude seems to be that we never criticized Al Davis, and now we simply want to rain on a successful parade.
The assumption is absurd on it's face. How delicate the posters are on this site who cannot bare criticism of how their wet dream of a post Al Davis era portends to shape up.
I remember specific criticisms of the Al Davis organization from Panty, Gary and me. What we refused to engage in was the complete disrespect for the Davis legacy. One of the things that I believed was that Davis was the architect of everything we've come to love about the Raiders. I have respected a twenty plus year record of the best winning percentage in world wide professional sports to the very design of the Raider uniform (which Davis designed) that we've come to love above all others.
Throwing that all away because of a seven year losing streak, to me, seems appalling (unless your only knowledge of the Raiders is from the Gruden era forward). There was always a very good reason for me to have Al's back, and I sincerely believe that Al was finding a way to get back to winning in spite of his failing health.
I have no developed loyalty to the new regime (which is no longer completely unique, but a mirror of the rest of the league) other than they are now part of the Raider family. But they now must prove that they have earned the right to be Raiders along with every other member of the Raider family.
That can only be vindicated on the gridiron. And while I await the results on the gridiron, I will continue to point out the pitfalls that I see, just as I warned that taking the reins from the hands of Davis didn't guarantee ANYTHING.
I will continue to note (things like) the philosophies of the offensive line coaches don't match (just as they didn't under Shell). But I'll also note that Knapp's past record is not necessarily a harbinger of how he will do UNDER ALLEN. An offensive coordinator has a different assignment for every coach he works for and every roster he coaches. This could wind up being the perfect fit for Knapp. But it could also wind up being a disaster.
But there does seem to be a very strong "ding dong, the witch is dead" segment here. The belief seems to flourish that now that Davis is no longer in control, the New England Patriots will emerge in Oaktown.
I won't praise McKenzie simply because he's not Al Davis. I'll praise him when he shows results.
NFL.com Power Poll
Teams ranked Nos. 1 through 32, as voted on by a panel of nine NFL.com and NFL Network experts.
Rank/Team/W-L
1 New York Giants 13-7
2 New England Patriots 15-4
3 Green Bay Packers 15-2
4 San Francisco 49ers 14-4
5 Baltimore Ravens 13-5
6 New Orleans Saints 14-7
7 Pittsburgh Steelers 12-5
8 Houston Texans 11-7
9 Detroit Lions 10-7
10 Atlanta Falcons 10-7
11 Cincinnati Bengals 9-8
12 Denver Broncos 9-9
13 Philadelphia Eagles 8-8
14 Dallas Cowboys 8-8
15 Tennessee Titans 9-7
16 San Diego Chargers 8-8
17 New York Jets 8-8
18 Oakland Raiders 8-8
19 Arizona Cardinals 8-8
20 Seattle Seahawks 7-9
21 Chicago Bears 8-8
22 Kansas City Chiefs 7-9
23 Miami Dolphins 6-10
24 Carolina Panthers 6-10
25 Buffalo Bills 6-10
26 Washington Redskins 5-11
27 Jacksonville Jaguars 5-11
28 Cleveland Browns 4-12
29 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 4-12
30 Minnesota Vikings 3-13
31 St. Louis Rams 2-14
32 Indianapolis Colts 2-14
"BR"...
You make a very logical and probable prediction...I can't add anything except my agreement..
"O"-#15??
"D"-#15??
"ST"s-Improved as well...
Sounds like a possible contender for the West!!!
And I must also note that I'm in full agreements with everything you posted...Especially this:
"they now must prove that they have earned the right to be Raiders along with every other member of the Raider family."
"I won't praise McKenzie simply because he's not Al Davis. I'll praise him when he shows results."
And ES this is very self evident:
"But there does seem to be a very strong "ding dong, the witch is dead" segment here. The belief seems to flourish that now that Davis is no longer in control, the New England Patriots will emerge in Oaktown."
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"Do you think McKenzie was the best, most qualified and available GM?"
Yes
"Do you like Allen as our new HC?"
Yes
"Do you like Tarver as our new DC?"
Yes
"Do you think Knapp can carry out Allen's vision of the offense?"
Seriously doubtful based upon past records and tendencies!!!
"Do you think Allen/Knapp have the pieces in place on offense to be a highly productive unit?"
Of Course they do as exemplified by that top 10 "O" showing despite injuries this past season but will they is the real quantitative issue!!!
"Do you like that there is accountability in Davis/McKenzie, McKenzie/Allen, and Allen/coaching staff?"
Yes
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. But I'll also note that Knapp's past record is not necessarily a harbinger of how he will do UNDER ALLEN. An offensive coordinator has a different assignment for every coach he works for and every roster he coaches. This could wind up being the perfect fit for Knapp.
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Thats about as well typed as anything I have seen positive about Knapp.
Maybe with a little tweaking from Allen and McK Knapp will stop calling plays that everyone in the stands can predict? But I am not going to give him the benefit of the doubt just because he was hired by someone besides Al.
He gets NO benefit of the doubt from me because he has already planted doubt in my head... and I don't think I am alone here. Most Raider fans seem to think of his hire as a head-scratcher at best.
I can get excited about unknown quantities like Allen and Vander, but I am not going to look at the anus of Knapp and pretend it is ice cream.
He has to prove it on the field.
Like Blanda said.. it could work!
I am just going to have to be hopeful and temper my skepticism until midway through next season.
GO RAIDERS!
Blanda,
“The attitude seems to be that we never criticized Al Davis, and now we simply want to rain on a successful parade.”
I understand where you are coming from. Thing is, it’s impossible for you to rain on a successful parade when the parade hasn’t started. All we’re dealing with now is the parade organizers. The camps, OTA’s and preseason games will be parade rehearsal then the parade will start somewhere around 1 September. We still don’t know how many guys on stilts we’re going to have.
Your comment on Knapp is right on. He has a good quarterback and a strong running game to work with. In the past when he’s had that, he’s done quite well.
There’s a lot to be positive about, in my opinion. Mark Davis seems to want the legacy of the Raiders to continue. But, he needs help. I believe he has picked the right guy. Time will tell.
H
Blanda, as much as you and others try to make this about Al Davis, it's not, at least not from my perspective.
For me, it's about fundamental changes to organizational ways that were unable to get us over the hump now for nine straight years. These changes are the source of my optimism.
What kept us out of the playoffs this year? It wasn't our offense (just ask Gary). It was our defense. Why did our defense stink? In large part, it seems, because we hired an unqualified DC. Why did we do that? Because Mr. Davis wanted to control the defense and would not give his head coaches the authority and independence to control the DC position and therefore the defense. This has been going on for years, and it has been holding us back.
Now, substitute "Mr. Davis" above for Clint Eastwood or Theodore Roosevelt or whoever. It doesn't matter to me who was was behind the problem. What matters to me is that it was a lingering problem that was continually holding us back. There were similar persistent problems in the hiring of head coaches and the chain of responsibility/discipline.
This is why it has taken us this long to reach (and stall) at 8-8.
I'm not happy Mr. Davis has passed away. He could have hired McKenzie and given him the authority to run the organization differently. Who knows, perhaps he would have.
This isn't about someone's death. It's simply about changing ways that were holding us back. Whether or not these changes will bear fruit remains to be seen, but don't fault me for being hopeful about them.
LoL!!...
"RT" your happy to be like everyone else and NOT have such terms as:
Outcast/Outlaw/Maverick/Independent/Renegade -or- Us Against the World
Applied to you...
LoL!!...How did you ever belong???
The more you try to deny the more evident it becomes...Your new found "Optimism" is in the removal of Mr Davis from the equation and it's in everything you post!!!
You didn't like his business structure..
You didn't like his business practices...
You didn't like his hires...
You just didn't like his involvement!!!
Period!!!
You have used this board as a platform to declare your disgust at Mr Davis' involvement in this franchise repeatedly these past few seasons as is documented in your "Chronicles Of Time"!!!
Well, i must say, up until now, i've been very happy, and upbeat about Raiders off season moves.
New GM, Mckenzie. Good move
New HC, Allen. i like it.
New OC, Knapp. hey, didn't we just watch 2 ball control offenses in the super bowl ?. works for me.
But now, new DC, Jason Tarver. i don't know.
Didn't Stanford's defense, you know, suck ? just sayin.
Raider00...
Funny...I'm far more upbeat on the new kid as "DC" than on the "Retread" past failure as "OC"...
I fail to see how the hell he equates to the:
Quick hitting aggressive multiple formation passing -n- running threat
"O" that "Dennis The Menace" was pimping???
Can you really see this in Knapp???
Now everyone is talking "Ball Control" which is vastly different than what was pimped in that inauguration presser!!!
Cork seems to think Knapp was a good hire, is well respected amongst the coaching fraternity, and he thought he would do well with this offense.
And that carries more weight than just a bunch of fans with an opinion in my book.
I am dropping this subject... on to some position coach hirings and lets get on to some winning!
RT: "It was our defense. Why did our defense stink? In large part, it seems, because we hired an unqualified DC. Why did we do that? Because Mr. Davis wanted to control the defense and would not give his head coaches the authority and independence to control the DC position and therefore the defense. This has been going on for years, and it has been holding us back."
When was it, exactly, that Bresnahan became "unqualified." As I remember, this was his 2nd stint with the Raiders in that position. He helped us get to the Super Bowl the first time. Or was that some other Chuck Bresnahan.
Chuck Bresnahan wasn't unqualified until he lost 3 of his last 4 games.
But even then, it does come down to Davis after all. You just brought Davis into it. I didn't.
RT, Calico and JONES - Lollipop Guild. They welcome you to Munchkinland.
Gary "I am dropping this subject... on to some position coach hirings and lets get on to some winning!"
Well played! That's got Rosanna Rosanna Danna ("Never mind") written all over it.
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nyraider said...
Well played! That's got Rosanna Rosanna Danna ("Never mind") written all over it.
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Ha. Whatever floats your boat Bubba.
Are you addicted to the endless poo-throwing here or something?
Blanda, Bresnehan was no more qualified 10 months ago than he is now. And how qualified is that?
Did you see the points the defense was giving up all season, not the last several games? Did you notice that he spent the previous two years with the Florida...Tuskers? After sitting out of football for an entire year after being dismissed by the Bengals. Three full years out of the NFL.
Why do you think we tapped him as DC?
For all you doom and gloomers, you show me where you freaked out on Bresnahan like you are doing on Knapp. Knapp, who's been in the NFL for 17 straight years. And Bresnehan, who'd been out of the NFL for three years.
Show me your consistency on this matter.
I, for one, never really bagged on Bresnahan prior to the season like you are bagging on Knapp, nor have I touted Knapp as anything special (despite you saying I have).
I'm really looking forward to your reply.
Over the past 9 years, the Raiders defense has been consistently bad.
During that time frame, there have been a few constants;
(1) Al Davis hired the DC
(2) Davis controlled the D and wanted it run a certain way
(3) The HC had little involvement in the defensive side of the ball from hiring, game planning, personnel, scheme, etc.
A lot of Raider fans point to the 2006 team as a good D. Simply not true. Stats from that season are very misleading and distorted. Even in this so called "banner" year for the D, it finished out of the top half in the league in points allowed.
Defensive Scoring Allowed and rankings from the 2003 season through 2011:
2003 23.7/G 25th
2004 27.6/g 31st
2005 23.9/G 25th
2006 20.8/G 18th
2007 24.9/G 26th
2008 24.2/G 24th
2009 23.7/G 23rd
2010 23.2/G 20th
2011 27.1/G 29th
Avg. scoring past 9 yrs. = 24.3
Avg. ranking past 9 yrs. = 24.5
This past season was not a blip in bad defensive performance but 1 of 9 consecutive seasons where the D was far below average.
CJ, you know that by being an observer you'll be branded a hater, right?
1963 to 2011
I will always respect and admire Al Davis for all that he did for the Raiders and professional football.
2012 and Beyond
I'm excited and optimistic about the next era in Raiders football.
I am turning the page not erasing the page. The past history, traditions, and glory should be cherished.
"RT"...
Answer one question...Can you??
Just how the hell does a long time coach and "DC" with a past winning record become "Unqualified"???..Don't you think that's just a little absurd???
1986 to 2011 -w- only one season not coaching..."08"
U.S. Naval Academy
(assistant coach)
Georgia Tech
(assistant coach)
Maine
(defensive coordinator)
(linebackers coach)
Cleveland Browns
(linebackers coach)
Indianapolis Colts
(linebackers coach)
Oakland Raiders
(defensive backs coach)
Oakland Raiders
(defensive coordinator)
Cincinnati Bengals
(defensive assistant)
Cincinnati Bengals
(defensive coordinator)
Florida Tuskers
(linebackers coach)
Florida Tuskers
(defensive coordinator)
Oakland Raiders
(defensive coordinator)
Record As Raiders' "DC"
2000- 13-n-5
2001- 11-n-7
2002- 13-n-6
2003- 4-n-12
2011- 8-n-8
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Total- 49-n-38 @ 78% "V"s
Now do you really need to look at Knapp's record to compare???
So now I question why you question us and as to why your so damn high on bringing back a proven failure???
By your standards of "Disqualification" Knapp doesn't even belong in the game!!!
PantyRaider....Keep These Threads Honest...Right "RT"!!!/_
football scoop
Just confirmed that wr coach Ted Gilmore has been hired by the Raiders for the same position
USC wr coach
The Raiders will hire USC wide receiver coach Ted Gilmore to coach wide receivers, replacing Sanjay Lal, according to a report in the Los Angeles Times.
Gilmore coached one of the most productive groups of wide receivers in the country on the staff of former Raiders coach Lane Kiffin.
I'll answer your question:
By being out of the NFL for the previous three years (one of which was completely out of football) Stale, not up to speed, etc. Pretty obvious, wasn't it?
Now let me ask you: Would you call him qualified for a DC position right now?
Quit repeating the falsity that I'm "high" on Knapp just because I haven't freaked out about him.
And show me where you freaked out on Bresnahan (three years removed from the NFL) like you are doing on Knapp.
Looking forward to it.
Seems that those who demand and then get answers are pretty good at evading questions around here.
A couple of things to consider about Bresnahan:
The records of a team are not necessarily an indicator of how well a coordinator did in his job.
Everything needs to be put in the proper perspective and context.
When Brenahan was the DC the 1st time around, the Raiders had an elite offense for 3 of his 4 years which allowed the defense to play from ahead and with a sizable lead in most games.
Here is the scoring average and rankings of the Raiders offense from 2000 to 2003.
2000 29.9 3rd
2001 24.9 4th
2002 28.1 2nd
2003 16.9 26th
When the Raiders had a top 4 offensive scoring team in 2000-2002, it masked Bresnahan's abilities as DC.
In 2003, without Gannon and an elite offense, Bresnahan's D was ranked #26 in defensive scoring (23.7 points allowed per game)
Bresnahan rode the coat-tails of a team that was the 3rd best, 4th best, and 2nd best scoring team in the league. Who deserves the majority of credit for our record in 2000-2002? HC Gruden not DC Brenahan.
When the team wasn't an elite offense (ie. 2003 and 2011) he fell to earth.
Last year was a perfect example. Our offense was good, not great. We ranked #16 in scoring at 22.4. Bresnahan's D was ranked #29 giving up 27.1 per game.
To associate the Raiders success in 2000-2002 with Bresnahan is ridiculous.
Look up the statistics and game logs and you will find that the Raiders offense was truly extraordinary in every possible aspect and measurable.
The simple question is if Bresnahan was such a good defensive coach, why didn't any single team hire him for even an assistant level defensive coaching position from 2008-2010?
From the media: "The Raiders will hire USC wide receiver coach Ted Gilmore to coach wide receivers, replacing Sanjay Lal, according to a report in the Los Angeles Times.
Gilmore coached one of the most productive groups of wide receivers in the country on the staff of former Raiders coach Lane Kiffin."
The wheels are really falling off now.
“And that carries more weight than just a bunch of fans with an opinion in my book.”
Say what????? I thought that’s why we posted here. To offer up our opinions and debate them. Maybe Take should just post what Steve Corkran says and leave it at that.
I thought the Knapp sucked and the offense was going to go backwards? I thought all that success he had with the Forty-Whiners was all the way back in the dark ages of ‘01-‘03 at the turn of the century?
Oh well, moving on.
Tarver is an interesting hire. I was looking at how the Stanford defense did last year. I wasn’t impressed. But, then I had to take things in perspective. I live in SEC Land. The best coaches in the SEC put a lot of emphasis on defense and recruit accordingly. If I remember correctly six of Alabama’s defensive players have been invited to the NFL combine.
So, I had to look at how he did with what he had. Bottom line is Stanford did fairly well within the conference. They were among the best in a conference that emphasizes offense. Between Tarver and Allen I really hope to see an uptick in our LB play this year. They had improved under Marshall, but regressed this past season.
Since folks are throwing out their opinion on Bresnahan, here’s mine. I believe he is a decent position coach. That is what he was hired for last winter. Other DC’s were considered and he became the last man standing. When we went to the Super Bowl in ’02 he had a very veteran, very experienced defense that played fairly well in the second half of the season. That made his job a lot easier. And, he did a decent job.
This last season the defense stunk up the joint. No if’s, and’s or but’s. I thought, at times, the defense seemed confused. Blown coverages, bad coverage calls and a general lack of pressure on the quarterback. In ’10 we were number 13 in allowing third down conversions. In ’11 we were 31. The falloff from the previous season was steep.
This was not a case of calling plays for three games after the HC, who called the plays, was fired, then turning it over to the interim HC. It was an entire season of work that did not merit being retained.
NYRaider,
Maybe Gilmore wanted to get away from Lame Kiffin.
JMNLHO
H
"RT"...
Seems like your evading the questions!!!
How the hell can you become unqualified for a freakin job???
I don't care if I have been away from construction for the past 7 seasons...I could still walk in today and to that freakin job...I'm just as qualified as I was before...Rusty perhaps but my "Qualifications" do NOT take a hike!!!
Only my certifications need to be renewed as per the legal environment...But I'm still qualified...
Your presenting a very ignorant take trying to project "SuckChuck" as NOT being qualified...
He was still coaching the "D" was he NOT???
We wasn't retired...He wasn't running a "B$B"....
He was actively "Coaching"....
And I don't care if an NFL coach goes to the CFL or AFL or some College team and coaches...He's still qualified to return to the freakin NFL!!!!
Would Lance be qualified to coach in the NFL???...Was he qualified to take that job when given by the Raiders???
By your own stupid reasoning Knapp is unqualified as all hell!!!
Allan is also "Unqualified" as "HC" beings he's never been one on any level!!!
Now if you want to post Bresnahan "SUCKED" at his job for which he was qualified than we have an accord...If you want to post that he failed in the fulfillment of his duties than we have an accord!!!
But "Unqualified"???...Get freakin real!!!
And by the way which one of us was ever pimping "SuckChick" for anything???
I was pimping Moss but failed to get what I wanted 2 seasons in a row...So what do I do??...Spend several seasons crying about it or just move on with who has that job...
Now your going to try to pimp that if we didn't screen and holler "Foul" that we were responsible for his hire???...Screw you!!!
By your owns words...The fact that your NOT screaming about Knapp means that you endorsed him as your boy!!!!
So don't post this Untruth:
"Quit repeating the falsity that I'm "high" on Knapp just because I haven't freaked out about him."
By your failure to "Freak-Out" your endorsing and "Enabling"!!!
LoL!!!
"RT" the "Enabler"!!!
Saunders is retained after all with a year extension! Senior assistant.
This is the best news offensively since the takeover began.
Worst case scenario was him going back to KC... I am guessing he wanted to ride out into the sunset as a Raider brass!
You can discount him all you want, but the offense sucked for many years straight before he showed up here. Nice to have some continuity.
Gary...
Great news...LoL!!!...Now I suppose they will try to pimp Al Sanders as "Unqualified" too!!!...
LoL!!!
There' s real hope now for that top 10 "O" to be improved rather than regressed!!!
"PO" picture for 2013 just got brighter!!!
Now you Lollipop Guilders are pretty cute.
Bresnahan was completely unqualified in that even though he has been a successful DC in the NFL (a Super Bowl contender), he's been out of the NFL for three years and out of coaching for one year.
Whereas our new DC - HAS NO NFL EXPERIENCE AT ALL! But Al didn't pick him - so he'll be great!
And regarding Bresnahan, I'm pretty certain that when Bresnahan was hired I said (in disagreement with most others) that I didn't like the hire because I had problems with Bresnahan in his first stint. But whether or not I liked his style of defense, I figured he was qualified, and still do.
And how quickly Calico forgets our offensive problems in 2006. Our offense wasn't just ineffective - it actually put up a lot of scores for the other side. And if it wasn't giving up fumbles and INTs for TDs, it was at least turning the ball over deep inside our own territory.
But we'll forget about all that because it doesn't fit Calico's argument for the moment.
Don't you find it a little ironic that some of you guys demonstrated stone patience for nine years but as soon as a GM was hired, your wheels fell off?
There were some bold predictions made here that the Raiders would crash and burn in 2012.
Anyone care to revise those doom and gloom predictions now that Saunders has been retained?... like he will save the offense from itself.
Blanda - you're reaching for something that isn't there. It's much more than simply coaching experience; it's the entire process that has been revamped. Get it?
NY, I don't remember anyone being pessimistic. I remember folks asking legitimate questions. Just like we asked LEGITIMATE question during Al's reign. We just didn't believe that Al was a bumbling old fool with no qualifications - in spite of SEVEN years of losing, not nine. No matter how you want to spin it, this team has been on the rise for two years. We were interrupted by a few events this season - but I guess dying was Al's fault.
And Calico - do you really remember so little about 2006? Did it escape your memory that our offense was so ill prepared that it FUMBLED THE FIRST TWO SNAPS OF THE SEASON - GIVING UP 14 POINTS IN THE FIRST ONE MINUTE OF PLAY?
But I guess that was a defensive problem. Doesn't it hurt to twist reality that much?
[From Calico Jack]
BR,
My "argument" was quite simple and backed by irrefutable proof;
Point Blank: The Raiders defense SUCKED from 2003 through 2011.
BTW, I never forgot our 2006 offense (or defense). As a matter of fact, it only proves my point even MORE convincingly. Follow along, big guy;
Our 2006 offense was arguably the worst offense in modern NFL history. Our opponents got the lead and then sat on the ball. Our offense in 2006 was so bad that the defensive stats are COMPLETELY distorted.
If you want to be REAL about it, our D was average at best (#18 ranking in points allowed) but that is generous when you factor in the context of what the opponent's did in relationship to our HORRENDOUS offense.
CJ
"NYR"...
"Anyone care to revise those doom and gloom predictions now that Saunders has been retained?... like he will save the offense from itself."
Right above you was posted this:
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Blogger PantyRaider said...
Gary...
Great news...LoL!!!...Now I suppose they will try to pimp Al Sanders as "Unqualified" too!!!...
LoL!!!
There' s real hope now for that top 10 "O" to be improved rather than regressed!!!
"PO" picture for 2013 just got brighter!!!
7:46 AM
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Anonymous gary said...
Saunders is retained after all with a year extension! Senior assistant.
This is the best news offensively since the takeover began.
Worst case scenario was him going back to KC... I am guessing he wanted to ride out into the sunset as a Raider brass!
You can discount him all you want, but the offense sucked for many years straight before he showed up here. Nice to have some continuity.
7:09 AM
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Now just what wasn't positive about any of that???
More Coaching Staff News
ESPN’s Adam Schefter is reporting that the Raiders have brought back QB coach John DeFilippo. DeFilippo and OC Greg Knapp obviously have a good relationship, as DeFilippo held the same role during Knapp’s first stint as offensive coordinator. None of us were terribly impressed with either Knapp or DeFilippo during their first stints, but remembering that they were working with JaMarcus Russell gives them at least a partial pass.
In even better news, NFL Network’s Jason La Canfora is reporting that the Raiders have retained Al Saunders as a senior assistant through the 2013 season. This news is fantastic, as Saunders can help smooth the transition from one offensive staff to another, and possibly keep some more of the vertical passing attack that Coach Allen wants but that Greg Knapp doesn’t utilize that often. Saunders is also the only coach on staff who’s had head coaching experience, so hopefully Coach Allen will use Saunders as a sounding board for those head coaching issues as well.
...."I remember folks asking legitimate questions."...
Legitimate QUESTIONS? There was no questions about it, that's the difference. What Mr.Davis did and was doing was PROVEN to be not working, can you understand the difference? Or did you wife marry you for your looks too?
Mr.Davis got Uranus in line with Pluto when Gruden was hired. Chuck first time around was lucky he had a high powered Offense that could control the clock. The Raiders also had good talent with good vets that could compensate for the scheme and coaching on the Defensive side of the ball. Romo, Woodson, another Woodson, Beikert, Allen, D-line of vets and still that D got run on regularly if the O was sputtering. Quit trying to rewrite history. 8-8 is not winning, it's mediocre as compared to 5-11 bad.
JONES
Saunders is kept, that is good news...what will the doom and gloomers complain about now?
JONES
"H"...
"I thought the Knapp sucked and the offense was going to go backwards? I thought all that success he had with the Forty-Whiners was all the way back in the dark ages of ‘01-‘03 at the turn of the century?
Oh well, moving on."
NO...Because we will never know now due to the simple fact that Al Saunders has been retained as "Senior Assistant" (Above "OC"-or- "DC"??) for 2 additional seasons...That means we will debate who's "O" it really is...LoL!!!
Now are Goary/"BR" -n- myself the only posters who are happy with that decision???
Especially after all "RT"s questioning of what merit Sanders has!!!...LoL!!!...A damn lot evidently in the eyes of both Reggie and "Dennis The Menace"!!!
Yes!!!...Moving right ahead with Al Saunders at the helm as directed by the "Menace"!!!
I like this...
In the end I get what I wanted...Saunders -n- some assistants retained and my boy Reggie as "GM" -w- new blood as "DC"...
Some get what they wanted...A brand new "GM" structure that looks like everyone else and more power delegated to the "HC"....
PantyRaider...Now Maybe We Can get On The Same Page!!!/_
Except LIARs who refuse to man up to what they wagered in a loss!!!
or DEMONS!!!
...."I didn't like the hire because I had problems with Bresnahan in his first stint"...
Man, must be nice to be able to jump to both sides of the fence. Earlier you were saying that Chuck got them to the SB, now you are saying this? Does consistency count for anything? I swear you just want to argue and are not sincere, just like your pair of other provocateurs.
JONES
"irrefutable proof" will follow in the:
"Chronicles Of The LIAR"!!!
Coming soon to a board near you!!!
BR & PR -
There were some sky is falling predictions for 2012. If you guys didn't make them, which is possible, then they all came from Gary.
Short of those predictions, you two have been less than your usual optimistic selves in reviewing the current process... and that's a major understatement on my part.
For me, I could care less at the moment about Bresnahan’s qualifications. It is the results. He took a defense that played decent football in 2010 and, with the same basic personnel, the wheels fell off.
Knapp is going to be handed a fairly good offense with, arguably, the best quarterback he’s worked with. If they crash and burn I’ll feel the same way about him. But, for now, his history indicates he does a pretty good job when he has good personnel.
Al Saunders retention is also a good thing. He’s coached pretty much everything you can coach in football. He has solid knowledge of the roster. With a brand new, first time head coach, that’s got to be a plus.
Panty,
That comment was because, suddenly, Steve Corkran said Knapp was ok, so that made it ok. Despite all the negative stuff posted about how he sucked and was going to take the offense backwards. That for some reason, the fact that some of us were saying the same things about Knapp BEFORE Steve Corkran and Paul Gutierrez did is glossed over as just opinions from a bunch of fans.
I just found the comment a bit shallow and hypocritical. Especially after we were being taken to task about it for a over a week. Steve Corkran said it was ok, let’s move on, you other guys are just a bunch of fans with opinions.
H
Just read that article on "out of whack salaries" that Reggie must contend with. If that isn't "proof in the pudding" mismanagement...and that's just ONE example. But, according to the Cable Guy (Chip Douglas) and friends, Mr.Davis had the ship turned around straight to the SB when it was 2 years of barely making 8-8. Talk about 'lollipop', there story is straight from a Harry Potter plot. With Mr.Davis playing the Grand Wizard and all the years of dysfunction was just an illusion.....what are fairytales made of? Bring in the clowns.....
JONES
..."you other guys are just a bunch of fans with opinions."...
Meanwhile, Chip Douglas and friends make out like they are the ones who always have it right. They blasted the media for years at what scum they are, now the media is what turns their opinions into reality. It must be an act, just for kicks, or, some insane pleasure to stroke their own ego...like I always said, you can't reason with insane.
JONES
"NYR"..
I was on record that the addition of Knapp as our "OC" made absolutely NO sense what so ever and that such a move without the retention of Al Saunders would result in an "Offensive Recession" NOT a "Multiple Formation Dynamically Aggressive Rushing -n- Passing Attack"!!!
And I stand behind that projection...LoL!!!...NOT!!!
The retention of Al Saunders as "Senior Assistant" changes all that perception as that dense fog finally begins to lift and give why to what looks like a beautiful sunrise on the distant horizon!!!
On top of that we now have entered calm glassy seas with no signs of turbulence nor even a squall!!!
"BR"....
This may now uncloud the vision of what that Hybrid "OL" may look like:
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Raiders | May use zone blocking in running game
Mon, 06 Feb 2012 15:14:56 -0800
The Oakland Raiders may use a zone-blocking scheme in their running game because offensive line coach Frank Pollack used that scheme when he was with the Houston Texans.
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LoL!!...Now it all begins to make perfect sense!!!
Now we can all agree that Knapp is known for his ability to run that Pig from a "ZBS"...As it turns out according to Kubiac Knapp was involved in the Game Planing of Houston's "O"....Most likely it was that "ZBS" #2 Rushing Attack that was the manifested image of Knapp's design...I doubt that's too huge of a jump for most of you to take???
Also most will prolley agree that Al Sanders was involved in that top 10 Raider "O" and #13 Passing Attack that excelled despite all the injuries out of the "PBS"...Are we on the same page yet???
Now when you put it all together what should you get??...If you get it at all!!
A very dynamic "ZBS" Rushing "O" that exceeds what we had last season...In other words finishing in the top 5 if not at #1/#2...
A very dynamic "PBS" well protected Vertical Passing Attack even better than this past season while having a seasoned veteran healthy unit on the field....Top 10 if not top 5...
Now we have the vision that "Dennis The Menace" portrayed in such a picturesque account!!!
Now this is reminiscent of what Cable was trying to accomplish when he utilized the "ZBS" with a powerful Rushing Game while having his "PGC" to design the pass plays...It failed to work but I'm liking it now with these 2 coordinators working together...
Yup!!...I'm feeling rather Piratical/Piratish about my Raiders about now but there will be NO "Premature Jackulations" from me!!!
Only a total fool would attempt to project a Championship with only 70% of out coaching staff on board and several off season Crew moves yet waiting on the pier!!!..Or in the bar???..
But most certainly the plan is beginning to take shape and make sense of the course which has been set for this up coming season...
PantyRaider....All Aboard!!!!/_
Raiders | Could show interest in Tracy Porter
Wed, 08 Feb 2012 10:16:03 -0800
The Oakland Raiders could show interest in New Orleans Saints impending free-agent CB Tracy Porter this offseason because he was coached by head coach Dennis Allen in New Orleans and would fill one of the Raiders' top needs.
"Senior Assistant" (Above "OC"-or- "DC"??)"
Naw, just means he's the old guy.
H
"you can't reason with insane."
They've been questioning my sanity since about '68, and especially since '71.
H
..."Only a total fool would attempt to project a Championship with only 70% of out coaching staff "....
No, what you will never acknowledge is...some people can see what you can't. That's the beginning and end to it. I placed a bet on the table when you said this new Org was in shambles, you were to confused form the 'fog'.
Now they retain a left over hiring from Mr.Davis and now it's all roses "da fog as liftid". What a clown... You posers don't know a damn thing while you spew "I know it all". Just some more humble pie for Chip Douglas, enjoy.
JONES
Correction:
Should read "#11 Passing"
Also most will prolley agree that Al Sanders was involved in that top 10 Raider "O" and #13 (#11)Passing Attack that excelled despite all the injuries out of the "PBS"..
Hate to have a discrepancy when trying to get at the truth or reality...Sense I'm NOT just prone to arguments that go nowhere with no end in sight!!!
H....you can't be insane, you can reason.
JONES
"H"...
I hear ya Bro!!
My exit date was 5-18-71....
Just us "Old Guys"!!!
But life was real..Still is too!!!
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H said...
"Senior Assistant" (Above "OC"-or- "DC"??)"
Naw, just means he's the old guy.
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An old guy with a ring, along with a page long track record of past successes (and a notebook full of 700 plays) and the only continuation left with Carson Palmer.
This is a VERY young and inexperienced group of coaches.
This was a very solid decision that Allen/McK made.
No wonder nobody here likes it?
Lighten up Gary, it's a joke. I'm an old guy to. I always get the Senior Breakfast at IHOP.
Jones,
There's a fine line between reason and sanity.
Panty,
'71 was just the beginning for my visits over the edge.
H
Gary,
Also, read my post. I said it was a good thing.
We need a little more humor here. Maybe GGRaider can submit somethig new.
H
"No, what you will never acknowledge is...some people can see what you can't. That's the beginning and end to it."
Well, you're right. I keep forgetting that some people use hallucinogens while I don't.
I wonder if the Lollipop Guild could at least get straight the points brought up by Panty, Gary and me.
And to the President of the Lollipop Guild, I say that you certainly can see that the Raiders are doing the same types of things that have completely turned other teams around. But they are also doing the types of things (the same things) that have sent teams further into the dumper. But if it's not Al making the decision, it's a GREAT decision.
Curious. How is recognizing that a coach is qualified attempting to have it both ways by saying you don't like the way he coaches? JONES, does it hurt having that narrow of a viewpoint?
Here's one of the things that floors me.
Calico says that the offense will be back, stronger than ever, because we'll be playing with a healthy McFadden, Ford and Moore.
Excuse me, but how does the change in organization and coaching make these guys healthy? Moore missed the majority of his rookie season. Ford missed the majority of his TWO seasons. McFadden has missed the majority of EVERY season since he's been here.
Sure, Al's dead, but I wasn't aware that he was giving his star players NON CONTACT injuries.
Here's some positive.
I'm not sure why they gave Saunders permission to look around, unless they wanted him to be able to remain an OC. To me, it kind of reflects the Davis move of bringing in Hue Jackson just in case Cable didn't improve on winning.
I like the idea of using a ZBS on the running game only. Bush was better with ZBS. That said, I can see Knapp focusing on the ground game with Saunders recreating a passing attack that was effective even with half of our WRs in the trainers room.
But this should make JONES very nervous. The idea of keeping a coach around because he's still under contract and you can still get some good use out of him is very Al Davis.
Here's another odd thing. We are told that because McKenzie said some contracts were out of whack, that proves that Davis had no real world idea of how to run contract negotiations.
Here's the relevant part of the article referred to...
"From where we are, we've got some contracts that are kind of out of whack," McKenzie said last week, following the media conference to introduce Allen. "But in my discussions and viewing the cap situation, we should be fine.
"At this point, in talking to our guys and seeing all the spreadsheets and stuff, we're going to be fine. We don't have to (make) wholesale (changes)."
"Meaning, McKenzie does not believe the Raiders will again have to re-structure contracts on a wide scale."
Did you read that last paragraph? EVERY team has to restructure contracts for a new season in order to find the money to pay draft choices and free agents. Yet McKenzie feels we'll be fine.
And I can reasonably assure EVERYONE here that McKenzie made NO attempt to criticize Mr. Davis' team management. One of the reasons that I like him so much is that he actually RESPECTS Al Davis.
That knowledge will just kill JONES.
I guess my point regarding Bresnahan would be this. You can't say he is "unqualified" while claiming that the current choice is "qualified." Bresnahan has a lengthy resume, most of which has been very good, but Tarver has NO NFL resume AT ALL.
That doesn't mean he won't be great. But until we see him perform at the NFL level, we have no idea.
I will say that Bresnahan somewhat mystifies me. Until Davis died, while the defense was very spotty, it was having some success and seemed to be getting better. Then when Davis died, Bresnahan completely changed the way he was doing things. The defense went south, and never got better.
Now, it may be that Davis was guiding Bresnahan while he was alive. I doubt it though. It doesn't sound like Davis' health was in very good shape from the beginning of the season.
It could just be that Jackson's failure to intervene wasn't the problem. Perhaps the problem was that Jackson DID intervene.
Blanda - you seem to be taking this all too personally. Your text always circles back to AL. Truth is, it was never about Al Davis, it was ALWAYS about results.
While we don't yet have results to pin to McKenzie and Allen, they will be held accountable here in the same way AL was.
In the interim, the process you imply is a 50/50 crapshoot is essentially what every other team does to compete. What would you differently?
NY, you are completely misrepresenting my arguments. I have said very clearly that I think the Raiders are doing EVERYTHING as well as anyone could hope for.
But I seem to upset a lot of people when I say that provides NO guarantees of success. My point, very simply, has been that with Al you knew that he was capable of finding a winning formula (even if it didn't resemble anyone else in the league). He was so enamoured of winning, you knew he wouldn't accept losing forever. Even if that meant he had to change the way he did things. And I believe he was making considerable changes when he died.
The folks running the team now, don't own the team. They have also entered "the club" which ensures their continued employment whether they are successful at first or not. We don't know how the current folks will do until they do it.
That doesn't mean, AT ALL, that I expect them to fail. I WANT for them to succeed. But I wanted Al to succeed also. As the STONES famously said, "You can't always get what you want."
What I find extremely distasteful is the "ding dong, the witch is dead" mentality. You have to admit that it exists here. I think with far too much abundance.
Blanda - I don't agree that a "ding dong" mentality exists here. As I said, it was never about AL, it was about results, and the results weren't there.
Think about this, if the circumstances were such that AL, himself, hired McKenzie, you wouldn't be so hung up on your "ding dong" theory. But the mere fact that it took his death to accomplish what many of us wished AL would do in life (hire a GM), makes you upset with us.
Blanda...I can only say this...stop your whining. It's been pointed out a MILLION TIMES why Mr.Davis' way wouldn't and didn't work...how many times do you want to hear it? Your long winded posts of Al this and Al that, it's so yesterday. Move on, man. It's very well documented, but "for the life of you", you can't grasp it...TOO BAD, that's on you, stop provoking and get sincere, it gets real old.
JONES
H....
Some have stepped over that line and are never coming back...no names needed.
JONES
NYRaider, the reality is close to what you say it is. I remember the job both Madden and Flores did for us. While I believe that both were responsible for their teams on the gridiron, neither ever received the fair credit they deserved because of the meme that Al Davis does everything, so neither deserved fair credit.
Around here, it was generally never believed that Al did everything until we lost for seven consecutive years. Then EVERYTHING was Al's fault. I never believed Al deserved all the credit for winning or for losing. What he did do was create an environment where everyone could do what they do best. At least that's what Ron Wolf says.
But once coaches became celebrities as big as the players, high profile coaches avoided this joint like the plague. They didn't want Davis to get the credit for their work, and I don't blame them.
But once Davis recognized that (which I believe he finally did) he began to work on new ways of doing things. Nobody can look at the last two years and say that no changes were made. Jackson had FAR more power than any previous coach, and the "reload not rebuild" mentality was thrown away.
I also believe that Davis tried to hire McKenzie, but couldn't for the same reasons he couldn't get high profile coaches in here.
Davis essentially had two choices. He could turn the team over to his son and completely disappear off the face of the Earth, or he could find a way to deal with a situation that he had some measure in creating. I believe he was attempting the latter when he died.
No, Davis did not run his team the way everyone else did. In fact, from the beginning, people argued the Davis way couldn't work. When he did win, it was called luck, even though he put up the best record of ANY professional sport franchise for over 20 years.
Now that Saunders is back, let's hope the bitching and whining stops.
HERE'S TO NEGATIVE NANCY TRANSFORMING INTO POSITIVE NANCY!!!
SCALR8R
BR,
I honestly just don't get you sometimes.
My positive comments about the potential of our 2012 offense had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with Al Davis.
Does everything always have to circle back to Davis?
The line of reasoning that I set out was to rebuff the continual flow of negative comments about how our offense in 2012 was going to fall off a cliff.
You are reading meaning into opinions that simply doesn't exist.
If McFadden or Ford or Moore get injured in 2012 (like in 2011), it will be something the organization has deal with.
What exactly is your point?
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Blogger H said...
Gary,
Also, read my post. I said it was a good thing.
We need a little more humor here.
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Reflex action, H.
Point taken...
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