Peyton in AFC West?
The comments have overflowed on the previous take, so I'm just doing a quick post to keep the conversation going.
It sounds as if Peyton Manning might land in our division, with Denver courting him hard, and Kansas City lurking.
How that might affect the Raiders depends on his health. The reports still vary. But if he's healthy, he's going to make the division tougher to win. If he's health, he's an elite quarterback, and elite quarterbacks win games.
It doesn't change my outlook on the Raiders, but there's no denying that it could upset the divisional dynamic, and not in our favor.
It sounds as if Peyton Manning might land in our division, with Denver courting him hard, and Kansas City lurking.
How that might affect the Raiders depends on his health. The reports still vary. But if he's healthy, he's going to make the division tougher to win. If he's health, he's an elite quarterback, and elite quarterbacks win games.
It doesn't change my outlook on the Raiders, but there's no denying that it could upset the divisional dynamic, and not in our favor.
posted by Raider Take at 8:57 AM
220 Comments:
"RT"...
Nothing really worth having is ever easy and if it's worth fighting for than you have to just throw everything else aside and go for it....
In the AFCW there is no clear winner...No clearly dominate team...We all finished at 8-n-8 or one game behind...It's not a very strong division anymore but we all face very stiff competition in our schedules this season...
That being the case it's understandable why that "Donkey" -n- "Squaw" would be willing to put everything in hawk to get a player like Peyton while hoping he's still got that "Savior" left in him...Desperation!!!
But Offensively I would give an edge to the Raiders over either of these two teams...Simply because I have very serious doubts that Payton can finish a season and our "O" is allot more dominate if we get our game rolling again...
"SD" is really the main competition as long as they have Rivers even if they do lose "VJ" in "FA".....
But I think the real dividing line in this conference is going to be which team can establish a strong consistent "D" and I'm not sure we have much of an edge there????...In fack we may be at a disadvantage if this season has any resemblance of the past 2...Basically we sucked!!!
And aside from the "Hoopla" there isn't really much else to base much hope upon...No "CB" while thin at "S"/"LB"....That's just the reality at this point!!!
PantyRaider....No Time For projections!!!!/_
nyraider said...
PR: As you have stated over and over, Al Davis did not trade for Palmer.
And why would it come to anyone's surprise that Daniel Snyder might be more reckless than Al Davis?
For their own sake, the Rams should do better with their additional draft picks than the Raiders did with theirs when they traded Jon Gruden to the Bucs.
4:43 AM
I know it's irrational and I question myself but I can't help it... I 'hate' Rivers & the Chargers. Oh I know he's a good guy and very good QB and great dad n all; BUT!!! I used to feel this way about Denver, as much as I loved my Raiders I had an equal amount of enmity for the Broncos... funny but within a short time of them becoming crap, I've felt nothing but ambivalence toward them. I find this applies to players as well; especially when they leave our division
So to my point... Apart from the fact that Peyton Manning would elevate the Broncos at great risk to our rise; I don't want him in Denver because I really like watching him play and don't want to root for him to lose every time he steps onto the field.
So Miami get busy n get Peyton!!!!
I think Manning would bring big time excitement to the AFC West. It would make the Raiders a better team too, IMO.
He is a stationary target and KC and Den's olines aren't that good. That means target practise for the Defense...I say, bring him on and let the boys loose on his ass, put him down hard and OUT. Don't need a 'bouty' for that, just get the job done.
I'm looking forward to this season, it's going to be fun to watch a Defense that has a modern scheme. The chains are off and the boys are ready to roll, let Manning be one of the victims.
JONES
AFCW is wide open and completely up for grabs.
I'm really excited to see what our offense and specifically Palmer can do with such big play weapons such as McFadden, D.Moore, and Ford healthy.
I am also pumped up to see an aggressive, modern, unpredictable D cut loose.
"NYR"....
I see you still can't approach a subject without harboring and posting your perpetual negativity toward Al Davis in the process....Just like that bigot who cries he's not a bigot....
"Al didn't do it but he's "Black"!!!!
PantyRaider....Freakin Get Over It Already!!!!/_
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Tebow to Raiders speculation hooplah
"OTB"...WTF!!!
"They have always been a class team, high on offense, "
Who the hell are you trying to kid??~!!
Ever hear of "SpyGateWest" International and that multi-crime oriented roster with 3 new -n- current suspensions for DRUGS of 6/4 weeks???
LoL!!...."Always been a class act"!!!....Now that's definitely a NO Class post!!!
Aside from the obvious this bastard is a complete idiot and has NO freakin merit in a word he posted...Nothing but purely stupid speculation -n- conjecture!!!!
Right away you should have known he wasn't worth reading:
This:
"I like the Broncos"
But at least he's smart enough to realize there ain't no Tebow in OakTown and there never will be!!!!
PantyRaider....Nice Try At being Disturbing But Pure -n- Total Failure!!!!/_
PR said:
"Al didn't do it but he's "Black"!!!!
Nothing I post ever comes remotely close to being as disrespectful as that statement.
Funny thing is that Bruce Allen might have played a significant role in the blockbuster trade you're so certain Davis would never make, yet it was Bruce Allen that helped the Raiders to post their last winning season, approximately 10 years ago.
The Raiders slump started after a blockbuster deal for Gruden.
What are the chances the Rams will slump for 10 years after the ransom of draft picks they will get?
////Tim Brown chuckled a bit. The former Raiders receiver and three-time Hall of Fame finalist was asked his opinion of the Bounty controversy surrounding the New Orleans Saints.
"My answer," Brown said after stifling his laugh, "may surprise you a little bit because, I don't want to say that it's part of the game but I think it was sort of done a different way back in the day. If you got a guy out the game, that was a big deal.
"Maybe (the Saints) just took it too far."
Brown, in town for the Raiders' Commitment to Excellence Award dinner at the Oakland Airport Hilton honoring recipient Rock Cartwright, spoke of the sport's nature in explaining his feelings.
"Football is a dirty, hard game," he said. "I mean, it's a hard game; it shouldn't be a dirty game. And if they can show any plays that were dirty, illegal (by the Saints), then I think (critics) got a point. But if somebody hits somebody a little harder, it's still football.////
"NYR"...
Check your fuckin self!!!
This is what I posted:
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PantyRaider said...
Don't ever talk shit about that Palmer trade again!!!
INFO from the Skins....
LoL!!!...Pay (3) 1st -n- 2nd to move up 5 freakin spots in the 1sr rd to take a rookie "QB" who's yet totally unproven????
And we got a proven all pro for a 1st -n- 2nd!!!
Not to mention that #2 pick will have a very hefty $$$$$Tag attached!!!
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Now just what the fuck are you talking all this shit about???
#1....I NEVER said the Palmer trade had anything to do with Al Davis....
#2....When did you get the idea that I said Al Davis would never have made that trade???...That's "BS" and if you go back and look Carson Palmer was specifically named by me as someone Al Davis would go after and via trade because that's the ONLY way he was available!!!
#3...Why would I give a flying fuck what Bruce Allan is doing as a "Skin"???....He ain't been a Raider sense he jolted to join Gruden and help fuck up that franchise!!!
#4....The shit I said don't ever talk about regarding that Palmer trade was the 1st -n- 2nd pick that we gave up...I don't have any idea what the fuck your jerking off about???
#5...This was just a "Sign Off" saying Al Davis was never guilty of sacrificing 3 season's draft like that "Skin" game is doing and has NOTHING to do with that Palmer trade!!!
PantyRaider.....And They Like To Bad Mouth Al Davis!!!!/_
Anno!!!
That's the whole point now isn't it....
""Maybe (the Saints) just took it too far."
Keep it aggressive and get the pussies and Goodhal out the damn way with the rest of the feminist!!!
But don't inject "Pay-Per-Kill" as some "Bounty" into what's naturally already there....That's when the "Took It Too Far" began to apply....
Beyond "Dirty" is Cheating/Subversiveness/Paying for a hit or for a crime to be committed or any other way you want to apply it....In the end it's all the same....WRONG!!!!
PantyRaider.....Just Keep It Real Baby!!!/_
PR said:
"Al didn't do it but he's "Black"!!!!
Nothing I post ever comes remotely close to being as disrespectful as that statement.
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"BS" Fool!!!...Your way beyond respectful and for your freakin info "Every Raider Is "BLACK"!!!
"Silver-n-Black"!!!!
Jason La Canfora
Salary cap set at $120.6 million for 2012
The salary cap for next season has been set at $120.6 million, according to league sources. As expected, the figure is almost identical to last year’s salary cap of $120 million.
The league later confirmed the figures.
The values for restricted free agent designations and franchise tenders have also been set. The regular restricted free-agent tender is $1.26 million, while a second-round tender is $1.927 million. The first-round tender amount is $2.742 million.
Franchise tags (in millions):
Quarterback: $14.436
Running back: $7.742
Wide receiver: $9.515
Tight end: $5.446
Offensive line: $9.383
Defensive end: $10.605
Defensive tackle: $7.96
Linebacker: $8.856
Cornerback: $10.281
Safety: $6.212
Kicker/Punter: $2.654
Well for the record last season there was an additional $6.5 Mil or so that was allowed for the transitional year to help get teams under the Cap and an additional $3.5 Mil or so that could be borrowed against future years...Thus the actual Cap was around $30 Mil....So trying to come in now at $120.6 is not an easy chore!!!
Mt hats off to Reggie for a job well done but you have more to do if we are to be active in "FA"!!!
PantyRaider.....NOT Out Of The Swamp yet!!!!/_
PR:
Sorry, you can try and twist it any way you want, but this is your expanded "disrespectful" post:
"...Just like that bigot who cries he's not a bigot....
"Al didn't do it but he's "Black"!!!!"
Clearly, your reference was not to "silver and black" as you are now implying.
This wouldn't be worth the virtual ink it takes to present it, except that many of us are tired of you labeling us as Al Davis bashers.
In actuality, nobody here has that intention at all. The simple fact is that it's hard presenting anything positive from last 10 years.
I posted that for the comedic factor. I had a really good laugh. Fact remains that Tebow is a good man (I joined his great foundation 4 kids and Vets) but he has no business being an NFL starting QB, and Oakland will crush Denver two OR three times this year, no matter who is under center. Bring it, Donks!
RAIDER NATION - The Autumn Wind
ROSTER NEWS from the Oakland Raiders: The Oakland Raiders have released TE Kevin Boss. He was schedules to make $4.75 mil, with a $2 mil guarenteed this week.
Raiders have also offered 1 year tender offers to DT Desmond Bryant, DE Mason Brodine, CB Bryan McCann, and FB Marcel Reece.
Our only big name free agent signing from last year (Boss) has been cut loose which begs the question: Would Boss had been released if we were in better cap shape?
Thank goodness we were able to get our 2 mid-season trades (Palmer, Curry) to restructure.
Our supplemental pick (Pryor) will more than likely be our #3 QB and late season pick-ups (TJ Housh & Sheppard) will be hard pressed to remain on the roster.
So much for the 'splash' of last year. Talk about making a tsunami out of a ripple.
Wimbley should be gone too....and he will leave with a pile of guaranteed money too. Capologist, really?
Look at the situation and if you can see, you can see a lot of wasted millions and no draft picks to build on...that is not good management, it is horrible business practise. Good thing the "...." aren't running the team. Good thing Reggie is here to clean it up.
JONES
Jones:
I'm looking forward to our team being rebuilt and re-tooled with an eye toward the immediate future (2012 season/roster) and long term roster/cap management stability.
Cheers,
CJ
"NYR"...
That's total "BS"!!!....Several of us have found many many positives to post the past few season while all you "IAAF"s can do is continue to insult the memory of the man!!!
And YES you are:
"...Just like that bigot who cries he's not a bigot....
And don't try to twist this into me being negative towards the man...It was directed at you!!!!
"Al didn't do it but he's "Black"!!!!"
Because you will always find some way to pimp the blame on the man....Because your a "Hater" who tries to deny being a "Hater" while always pimping your "Hate"!!!
"OTB"...
Not much laughter from Me....You joined WHAT???....LoL!!...Now that's worth a laugh!!!
Boss gone is a bit of a surprise sense they made no attempt to trade him for a pick...The "NYG" were reportedly very interested in his return???
The possibility is that Ausberry/Myer will be adequate replacements???
No mention of Moss returning???
Reggie NOT sure where your going with this and I do question some of your moves????
PantyRaider....The End Will Tell The Story!!!/_
We will have a little more $$$$ to spend...Thanks to Jones/Snider who will now have their hands tied trying to build their teams...LoL!!!
NFL takes millions in cap space away from Cowboys, 'Skins
The NFL has taken away millions in salary cap space from both teams after the two NFC East clubs pushed spending into the uncapped year to save money under the cap in 2011 and '12.
The Redskins and Cowboys were the most egregious offenders, as they dumped huge base salaries to players such as DeAngelo Hall, Albert Haynesworth and Miles Austin into the 2010 season in order to get the big numbers in those deals off the books while there was no cap.
The competition committee would not give final approval of the new adjusted salary cap number for the 2012 season until this matter was taken care of. The union pushed to make sure the pool would not shrink, so it was decided that the savings from the Redskins' and Cowboys' infractions would go back in the pool, and be split among the 28 abiding teams.
Ha! Ha!....They went into hawk and lost anyway!!!...Now they will lose again big time!!!
This from Corkran: Whoops!!!
the Cowboys losing $10 million in cap space and the Redskins $36 million, according to an ESPN report.
In turn, 29 teams received an additional $1.6 million in cap room. The Raiders and Saints are the only two teams unaffected by the league’s ruling. Presumably, the Raiders and Saints also were guilty, just to a far-lesser degree.
So this should read "28" teams not including the Raiders/Saints/Girls-n-Skins...
"J-Mac":
"Because of a minor infraction regarding contractual issues in the uncapped season of 2010, the Raiders, along with the New Orleans Saints, reportedly will not receive $1.6 million in cap relief as a result of punishment meted out to the Washington Redskins and Dallas Cowboys."
The new adjusted Cap is than $122.2 Mil???
Raiders still at $120.6 Mil...
Well I guess we spent it in 2010 so 2011 and now wouldn't be affected....We only lose the "Gift" and not the Cap space but that "Gift" would have been nice about now...
Boss was at $4.75 Mil but we only save $2.5 Mil???...This move still cost us $2.25 Mil???
Damn Reggie....Where are you going with this???
PantyRaider....Far Too Many Questions To Make Any Predictions At This Point!!!!/_
"SlimeJack"!!!
It doesn't matter what happens in 2012...Your failure to honor what you wagered in 2011 stands as testimony thew 2013 and beyond as to what a low life LIAR Honorless "Scum" you really are...
There will be NO escape from your failed history!!!
Reggie NOT sure where your going with this and I do question some of your moves????
Really? Could it be that Reggie is cleaning up the cap mess on aisle 9? Hmmm.
More importantly, do you honestly think that Boss would have been a cap cut casualty if we weren't give funny money to Routt, Wimbley, etc.? I think not.
The sad reality is that McKenzie came into his role as the new GM in the new era with (1) little to no draft picks and (2) a gigantic cap mess to comply with.
To questions "his moves" (ie. difficult roster decisions forced by cap compliance) is a complete joke and you know it.
Get your head out of your ass, Negative Nancy and get on board with the new era ... it might be an initial bumpy ride but it will be EXTRA sweet when we win the AFCW due to the strong leadership of McKenzie and Allen!
Go Raiders!!
PR said:
"And don't try to twist this into me being negative towards the man...It was directed at you!!!!
"Al didn't do it but he's "Black"!!!!"
Huh?
Clearly you make the rules when you can post a disrepectful statement like that but I can't criticize management for nine consecutive years of losing.
FuckOff "SlimeJack" you ignorant pieces of shit!!!
Sense when is it a "complete joke" to question what takes place when your clan of malcontent "Mutinous Dogs" have questioned every fuckin move committed the past 3-4 seasons you inconstant lying bigoted bitch!!!
And may I remind you it was your ingnorant Bitch Ass that was questioning the Palmer -n- Curry trades done by Marc but now like the LIAR bitch that you are try to pimp yourself as the "New Optimist"!!!
Now that's a fuckin JOKE!!!!...YOU!!!!
"NYR"...
You crying bastard...You have questioned everything Raiders "Black" that past few seasons...All the while posting as derogatory as possible blaming Mr Davis for everything wrong under the sun!!!
But than without him to blame with "SuckChuck" in charge of that sick ass "D" all you could do is blame Mr Davis for dying and leaving him as "DC"!!!
What ever happened to blaming the freakin coaches for their own failures???...Huh!!...Is that too strange to you???
But now you bastards are all about Allen who to date has done exactly squat besides hiring a weak ass coaching staff of newbies -n- retreads which would have just gained your scorn the past 3 seasons under Mr Davis!!!!
But the moment it's all done by some "Supper God" GM it's all leading to the promised land!!!
What a bunch of disgusting ignorant dumb ass bitches you bastards have become...Talk about hypocrisy that really takes it!!!!
Oh!!...Now were the most dominate team is history...We have a fuckin "GM"!!!!
WoW!!!...Big Whoop-ti-do Dumb Asses!!!...So dose the other 31 teams who still LOSE!!!!
Ignorant!!!...Just totally dumb brain dead IGNORANT!!!
So where's you fuckin "FA" projections???
So where's your disgust at losing pertinent members of the roster like Routt/Wimbeley/Bush/"CJ"/Boss/Eugene when last season all we heard was your fuckin crying over Zack/Galley -n- Namndi!!!!
You ignorant bigoted "HateTrippers" are the dumbest bastards in history!!!
Breaking:
Aaron Curry restructures his contract.
Routt is a 'me' player as is Wimbley, don't need them. CJ/Boss/Eugene = who cares. Mr.Davis had to let go 3 top players from the roster last year and then blew huge money on losers like Routt and Wimbley. The huge money that was tossed around, has caused problems with the cap this year.
9 years of losing, HC carousel, horrible personnel moves. Lack of F.O. moves to create stability...dysfunction...lack of direction = FACTS. Now look who is the crier o tears = JETHRO/WASTE/CABLE GUY. A new regime that is cleaning up the mess and you "question it". 9 years of horrible mangement and losses and you never questioned it...talk about a "dumb bastard" = JETHRO.
JONES
PR: Your last post is shameful... as are several posts that preceded it.
You’ve lost it. We are here discussing Raiders football, good and bad, while your belligerence and derogatory remarks toward the Raiders have gotten the best of you.
Meanwhile, your disdain for the current regime is well-documented.
Personally, I take exception to being called out as an Al Davis basher, particularly when I read the comments that you make.
.."You’ve lost it."..
When did 'it' ever have it?
Have you ever noticed 'it' likes to post about the Broncos on here?
It doesn't believe in free speech, it figures that people aren't allowed to write the truth without "disrespecting" someone. Stating facts is taking "swipes".
Mr.Davis put himself and the team in the position it's in and has been... If the idiot would stop denying that the facts are in and stop trying to paint a picture that isn't real....then the 'arguments' will disappear.
But, good ole Jethro wants to keep the fire burning, even though everyone is hot enough. How do you get your kicks?
JONES
Panty,
You seem to be project onto people of this board, The people here never wished Al harm only wished he would get the help he needed. Since the Raiders are headed in a different direction there is a sense of hope not because thats all that we can have as Real Raider fans because Al can't coach from the grave.So unless we want to feel sorry for ourselves and cry in our beer for the rest of our days since we can't get back what is gone we need to lace up our cleats tighten our chinstraps and get ready to fight for what is ours and thats the AFC West come Peyton or high water we need to stick together to win.
Topher
Well said, Topher.
For me, part of moving forward is that McKenzie learns from past mistakes the Raiders have made... which I see as a positive, even if we're not allowed to discuss those mistakes here on this board.
See you later Vincent jackass. If Jason Campbell is going to be a back up then why not stay in Oaktown?
Topher...
Do yourself a favor and don't get in the middle of what's NOT directed at you or at the Raiders!!!
That's all at the stupid damn idiots that pimp now what they bashed yesterday all in the name of "Al is Dead"!!!!
"NYR"....
Now your lying again!!!....NO amount of posted "BS" is going to put the labe of "Hater" on me except that I "Hate" on you "IAAF'"s for being the ignorant stupid bastards that you are!!!!
Every fuckin thing that your pimping good now is what you were bashin Al Davis for and don't try to lie your way out of that!!!!
#1....Retread -n- Newbie Coaching Staff!!!
#2...Losing our starters in "FA"!!!!
#3...Over the CAP Hell that Marc put us in!!!!
#4...Loss of Draft Pick when Marc gave up the 1st -n- 2nd!!!!
Every god damn one of these things were reasons you bashed Al Davis and you still try to tie everything to his name when it's NOT!!!!
"HateTripper"s is all the hell you damn bastards are and that's a fucken FACT!!!!
UPDATED NEWS BREAK:
Negative Nancy is NOT embracing the new era!
Routt/Wimbeley/Bush/"CJ"/Boss/Eugene;
Routt and Wimbley were good not great players who were being compensated like elite players.
Bush was a luxury we couldn't afford.
Boss we lost because we had to make drastic roster decisions to get under the cap.
CJ and Eugene were injury prone, back-up journeymen DBs. And?
Belligerence for the sake of creating confrontation is nothing more than a weak attempt to divert the attention from the undeniable, facts ...
We have gone 9 consecutive seasons without reaching the playoffs or having a winning record.
Our owner passed away after a tremendous contribution to our franchise's identity and success. He should have got executive help 4-5 years ago and gone out on top.
The M.Davis/McKenzie/Allen leadership group dawned a new era in Raider football.
We have lost players this offseason who were previously signed to contracts far beyond market value for average performances in 2011.
We have lost players due to being $25M over the cap and needing to get into cap compliance.
Is McKenzie crying about it? No.
Is McKenzie making excuses about it? No.
McKenzie is rolling up his sleeves and is diligently moving forward.
PR... I am prolly a hypocrite to say this... but mellow out!
Looks like Campbell was looking more for money than a starting job... why else would he leave for another backup QB job??
Mia trading Marshall seconds after the trading period begins signals how desperate they are for Manning. Manning prolly said he is not playing with any head-case WR's...
More importantly, do you honestly think that Boss would have been a cap cut casualty if we weren't give funny money to Routt, Wimbley, etc.? I think not.
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Not sure on that. That last concussion was scary bad.
And it didn't sound like anyone on the new staff was very fond of him.
.."Looks like Campbell was looking more for money than a starting job... why else would he leave for another backup QB job??"....
Maybe he knew he couldn't be a starter on a winning team. What team would start J.C. right now? Crickets? Cleveland? Maybe he couldn't take the fact that the Raiders traded for Palmer over him? Needed a new jersey? Cutler does get hurt and maybe he is banking on that? Wasn't he another big contract? Cap savings = mutual decision to move on.
JONES
Gary,
Have you seen our current depth chart at TE? I'm not buying the "concussion" excuse for letting Boss go. Didn't Boss play in the majority of games in 2011? The few million that were saved by cutting him loose seems to be a situation where cap compliance took priority over the depth chart. What it really boiled down to is McKenzie making difficult roster decisions which goes with the turf. I will put it another way ... IF the Raiders were $10M, $20M, or $30M under the cap like other teams, would Boss have been cut? It is a legit question to ask I think.
Boss ain't that good. His cap hit was only 2 mill, this looks more like a "we don't want you" dump. I say he would be gone even if the Raiders were under the cap.
JONES
It won't take much to replace Boss' numbers from last year, and it certainly won't cost as much to replace those numbers.
PR: As I've stated, you have lost your perspective. Your fight is not a good one, and comes without merit.
...RT is starting to look like gathering place for psychos, really. If you post more than 3 times an hour, you need help! Hahaaa!!! I would really like to see what would happen to you TeBashers if he did get with Oaktown. So funny, you guys take yourselves so seriously, like a sewing circle. C'mon men, (men?) get with it. What if Carson Palmer welcomed back paraplegic veterans from Afghanistan on the offseason? That's what Tebow does. if you can't appreciate that, you're a jerk.
I will put it another way ... IF the Raiders were $10M, $20M, or $30M under the cap like other teams, would Boss have been cut? It is a legit question to ask I think.
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Sure it is. I'm more bummed about losing Chaz because nobody took the time to give him a new contract. Now we can't afford him.
As far as Boss goes... he had one horrible game where he dropped two or three crucial balls, and then Hue basically stopped calling his name. CP seems to be really high on the USC kid Ausberry.
Myers played well... I don't see TE as a point of need.
Defense is where we need help.
Gary -
I know you have been a huge fan of Schilens, but he's done so little for the Raiders. His worth has always been measured in terms of potential.
I don't mind losing him, and I'll root for him to do well with his new team, unless, of course, he stays in the AFCW.
Last year WR’s:
(PASSES COMPLETED/PASSES TARGETED)
Schillens: 23/38 = 60.5%
Ford: 19/33 = 57.5%
DHB: 64/113 = 56.6%
Moore: 33/77 = 43%
Thats why I wish we could keep him... for whatever reason Palmer and/or Hue didn't trust him.
I think he might end up being a number one for some lucky team in a few years. You're right NYR.. I hope he doesn't end up in the AFCW so I can continue to root for him!
In fairness to Moore, Ford and even DHB, they were targeted deep far more often than Schilens, who was more of a possession receiver on shorter routes... probably due to threat of another injury.
Just like Boss, it won't take much to replace Schilens' production (23 catches).
Ironically, the guy with the worst numbers (Moore) is probably the best WR, with game-changing abilities.
Goes to show what stats are worth.
nyraider said...
In fairness to Moore, Ford and even DHB, they were targeted deep far more often than Schilens, who was more of a possession receiver on shorter routes...
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True, but there is also a reason he is considered a "possession receiver"
I watched Ausberry play numerous games at USC and he has the potential to be an excellent TE although he is unproven (yet) in the NFL.
Athletically, he is gifted. The big challenge will be getting him to be a proficient blocking TE.
I do think that losing Boss, an established proven TE who was underutilized (for whatever reason) last season, isn't a big deal.
All things being equal, I would prefer having kept Boss and allowing Ausberry and Myers continue to develop.
I love the possibilities of Moore (in 2nd season), Ford (in 3rd season) and DHB (in 4th season) continuing to improve. Interesting enough, DHB is probably our best "possession" WR for short pick-ups. All 3 guys are more than capable of 50+ reception seasons with a full season of Palmer pulling the trigger.
Gary....
NO to the "Chill Out"!!!
These ignorant bastards have pimped their scorn for the past few seasons at everything done by the Raiders under Al Davis and now their going to eat it for this phoney "New Optimism" pansy "BS"!!!!
Raiders Lose Starters:
"TE" Boss
"RB" Bush
"RG" Carlisle
"QB" Campbell
"DT" Henderson
"CB" Routt
"CB" Johnson
"FS" Eugen
Potential Losses:
"DL" Moss
"LB" Wimbeley
Now that's 10 potential starters lost of our roster while these damn dumb "New Optimist" are pimping "The Return To Glory"!!!!
With what???....The "NoName" roster???
How the hell do you bastards suppose we replace these bodies???....Wit a late 3rd rd compensatory pick????
YOU IDIOTS!!!
So now lets see how you "Hypocrite bastards were crying at the loss of only 3....Galeery/Zack/Namndi!!!
Copy Post More Than 3 Per Hr!!!
So Fuck that Glory Boy Holly Tebow Shit!!!
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Now What?
What's one city you rarely hear about as a likely destination for Nnamdi Asomugha? Oakland.
Now why is that? If he's worth that much to so many other teams, isn't he worth equally as much to a team that is supposedly on the cusp? A team that can't afford regression in the secondary at the very point it hopes to become competent against the run?
Just asking.
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Gary....
NO to the "Chill Out"!!!
These ignorant bastards have pimped their scorn for the past few seasons at everything done by the Raiders under Al Davis and now their going to eat it for this phoney "New Optimism" pansy "BS"!!!!
Raiders Lose Starters:
"TE" Boss
"RB" Bush
"RG" Carlisle
"QB" Campbell
"DT" Henderson
"CB" Routt
"CB" Johnson
"FS" Eugen
Potential Losses:
"DL" Moss
"LB" Wimbeley
Now that's 10 potential starters lost of our roster while these damn dumb "New Optimist" are pimping "The Return To Glory"!!!!
With what???....The "NoName" roster???
How the hell do you bastards suppose we replace these bodies???....Wit a late 3rd rd compensatory pick????
YOU IDIOTS!!!
So now lets see how you "Hypocrite bastards were crying at the loss of only 3....Galeery/Zack/Namndi!!!
Copy Post More Than 3 Per Hr!!!
So Fuck that Glory Boy Holly Tebow Shit!!!
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Now What?
What's one city you rarely hear about as a likely destination for Nnamdi Asomugha? Oakland.
Now why is that? If he's worth that much to so many other teams, isn't he worth equally as much to a team that is supposedly on the cusp? A team that can't afford regression in the secondary at the very point it hopes to become competent against the run?
Just asking.
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Blogger Raider Take said...
I've been lobbying for two years for a proven veteran wide receiver to shore up the ranks. I still am.
DHB is already hurt again. Now Ford is hurt.
This is what makes the Miller signing so crucial.
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Blogger Raider Take said...
PFT reports that the Seahawks have signed Zach Miller. New take going up shortly.
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Zach Won't Be Back
.As our receptions leader for the past three years, he will be sorely missed.
It seems to me that there are two priorities when a team heads into the free agency season, in this order: (1) do everything to get better; and (2) absent that, don't get worse.
How's that working out for us so far?
There's still time, but losing Asomugha was a big hit. Replacing Bruce Gradkowsi (whom some would argue was our best quarterback in years) with Trent Edward as our backup QB is a step backwards. And now our receptions leader is heading north to be with Tom Cable and Robert Gallery.
The Raiders seem to have been caught flat-footed since the free agency floodgates have opened. Don't we still need a proven veteran wide receiver to shore up the ranks, especially now that DHB is showing his frailty once again? Malcolm Floyd, Steve Smith...Even Braylon?
Anyhow, I'm just calling it like I see it. I'd love to be more positive right now. That said, there's still time.
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Blogger nyraider said...
It's hard to imagine losing starters like Miller, Asomugha, Gallery, Huff, etc, will actually improve the Raiders.
The offensive line with be filled with inexperience, yet expected to perform at a higher level than the long-time veterans they replace.
The secondary may take a big hit nobody on the Raiders can fill Nnamdi's shoes in man coverage.
TE was thin before Miller's potential departure. Without Miller, we're pretty much screwed.
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Blogger nyraider said...
So we signed a marginal CB for $10.5M per year, and allowed the best CB in the league to walk for $12M a year? Relatively speaking Routt received the better of the two guarantees.
Nnamdi is a class act and I can't help but root for him to succeed. Good thing he didn't end up with another AFC West team.
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nyraider said...
It's one thing to approach FA cautiously, it's another to let your best player walk when his price was reasonable.
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Blogger nyraider said...
Anyone care to speculate how much Cromartie is worth to the Raiders? This is where the rubber hits the road. This guy better not get anything near $12M from the Raiders, or the entire nation will be bullshit for losing Asomugha.
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Blogger nyraider said...
The Raiders have their roster pretty much set and, yes, I would agree that their plan has been in place for months.
The Raiders clearly planned months ago to send Gallery packing and allow Nnamdi to walk. They had no intention of re-signing Gradkowski (to protect Campbell's ego) and JLH was no big loss.
They eyed Cromartie for about 30 seconds on the fly, but the Jets had no choice but re-sign him.
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Blogger nyraider said...
Asomugha and Miller were arguably the best players on each side of the ball that the Raiders had. Losing both of them could be a real problem if other players can't step up.
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Blogger nyraider said...
From PFT (as of Tuesday):
"Per a source with knowledge of the cap numbers, here are the seven teams that were in the red: Raiders ($17.3 million), Steelers ($11.5 million), Texans ($8.5 million), Vikings ($5.6 million), Lions ($5 million), Cowboys ($3.7 million), and Panthers ($939,000)."
The Raiders are in the biggest cap trouble. If they can't restructure and/or extend more contracts, somebody else of considerable value might be leaving the Raiders.
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Blogger nyraider said...
Raider00 -
The Raiders have not replaced outgoing talent with equal talent coming in. Boss is not signed.
And Asomugha took several years before he was a good CB. Are you prepared to wait several more years after making some improvement last year?
It's no time to take about taking one step back to take two steps forward. We have lost valuable momentum in our fight to break .500.
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Blogger nyraider said...
Raider00 -
Those are all reasonable points.
I'm not writing off the season, by any means. However, on paper, I believe the Raiders have lost a step. We have put too many eggs into the Wimbley / Routt / loper / Eugene basket and completely abandoned our top tier players such as Nnamdi (who signed for a very reasonable price), Miller and Gallery who helped get us where we are (i.e., a .500 team).
Now the Raiders find themselves more above the cap than any team, so signing other players, as you suggest, can only come with some magic by Al Davis (which, admittedly, he has done before).
IMO, the heavily reliance on inexperienced players would have made sense about five years ago. But coming off our best season in 8-9 years, we risk losing what momentum we had.
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Blogger Calico Jack said...
I don't care what cap magic is performed to salvage Miller ... the over-spending for Routt, Wimbley, and Henderson (and SeaBass and Lechler) put us in this cap crunch. Because of the shortened window of FA, we lost Nnamdi.
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Blogger Calico Jack said...
At this point, I just want Zach Miller back.
As I've said all along, I would be absolutely shocked if we sign a single tier 1 external FA.
We are going to need a significant impact from a few rookies and our young 2nd, 3rd, and 4th year players.
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Blogger Calico Jack said...
It is clear to me that the Raiders dealt with some very significant cap challenges this offseason.
It has become quite apparent that these challenges has caused us to double-down on Hue Jackson and a very young core of players.
Losing 3 significant starters (Asomugha, Miller, Gallery) and not gaining any significant FAs to date (yet) stings.
As Hue Jackson has been saying continuously the past week, "when 1 man goes down, another needs to step up".
We need our rookies such as Wiz and Barksdale to step up BIG time.
We need our 2nd and 3rd year players to make a big uptick in performance and consistency.
We need our veterans to have top performing seasons.
We need to have a magical season in terms of a minimal # of injuries/missed games by key starters.
But most importantly, we desperately need the coaching staff leadership and veteran leadership to BUILD a TEAM that EXECUTES and plays their guts out for each other.
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Blogger Calico Jack said...
Before ...
#1 LG - Robert Gallery; arguably the most consistent performer on the Oline since 2008
#1 CB - Nnamdi Asomugha; 4x Pro Bowler and captain
#1 TE - Zach Miller; most productive pass catcher the past 3 seasons.
and After ...
#1 LG - Loper or Smiley
#1 CB - Stanford Routt
#1 TE - Brandon Myers
These are 3 positions which were significantly downgraded.
Our poor management of the salary cap allocation dollars created a situation where our hands were severely tied in terms of being able to (a) keep key personnel (b) add additional top tier talent.
I hope I'm wrong but ...
Instead of the feeling of building upon the foundation of 2010, it feels like we've taken a step back.
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Blogger Calico Jack said...
It looks like our last gasp effort will be to restructure the contracts of Seymour, Routt, and another player or 2 to sign Boss as a replacement for Miller.
In spite of Miller being a more productive player than Boss, I would be pleased to get Boss on our 53 man roster.
The Raiders clearly need an experienced TE with solid blocking and pass catching skills.
This would be my projected off-season scoreboard:
Losing Ski and gaining Edwards: A wash
Losing Gallery and gaining Smiley: A wash
Losing Miller and gaining Boss: A slight downgrade but vital to get Boss in the fold.
Losing Asomugha and inserting Routt as #1 CB paired with #2 CB Johnson:
Significant downgrade but somewhat expected.
Overall, we took a step back by lowering the talent level and not building upon the foundation from last year.
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NO to the "Chill Out"!!!
>>>
Whatever floats your boat.
Holding grudges is an ugly emotion though.
LoL!!!
"I'd love to be more positive right now"
Ha! Ha! Ha!...That was Take's Take last season with the lss of only a few quality players but NOW we lose a substantial part of our roster without much hope of replacing them and it's:
The "New Optimist" -n- "Return To Glory" as we will be "Champs"!!!!
LoL!!!....And can someone point out how all this is NOT "IAAF"ers celebrating that it's no longer Al Davis at the helm????
Because these things are hardly reason to celibate anything:
#1....Retread -n- Newbie Coaching Staff!!!
#2...Losing our starters in "FA"!!!!
#3...Over the CAP Hell that Marc put us in!!!!
#4...Loss of Draft Pick when Marc gave up the 1st -n- 2nd!!!!
Now added to this is the fact that $$$$ are being negotiated forward in contracts for Seymour/Huff/Curry/Palmer/Branch and who knows who the hell else....Don't you damn dumb morons get it yet???
That's $$$$ that won't be available for the 2013/2014/2015 CAPS!!!
It's just a continuation of the same process that you punks have been screaming your putrid little asses about for years but now it's NOT Al Davis pulling that trigger so there's HOPE!!!
You "IAAF"ers are the dumbest in football history!!!
Get your heads out of your collective asses and take a real good look around without the "Rose Colored Lenses"!!!
LoL!!!!
Now the "Doom-n-Gloomers" got's some nice new "Rose Colored Lenses"!!!
LoL!!!
PantyRaider...Dumb/Dumb-n-Dumber-w-DEMON!!!!/_
Gary...
"Holding grudges is an ugly emotion though."
Yes it is...Very damn true and that's the whole point...
These damn dumb "IAAF"ers are still holding onto their "HateTrip"s while pimping the "New Savior"s and ignoring everything that's really taking place...
The exact same things that they cried "Foul" over for the past decade is what they now celibate???
Fuckin Fools everyone!!!
So I'm making it a point to shove all that
Hate" mail right back down their collective throats!!!
There will be NO escape from who you are and continue to be!!!!
PantyRaider....It's The Least I Can Do!!!!/_
PS....I'm NOT in the "Dumper"....Just putting these "IAAF"ers where they all belong!!!
Than just to remind all those damn dumb "IAAF"ers of their past stupidity is this:
Bruce Allan...LoL!!!
You bastards were crying about Al Davis letting that idiot go and handling the team himself...Well lets all take a little walk around the NFL and see what Bruce Allan has become known for shall we???
#1....For helping to build a Raider Roster of old players that all got old at once and sent the team into the dumper for several seasons to follow...Rebuilding!!!
#2....For totally destroying a winning program in "TB" that was one of the most dominate "D"s ever and eventually getting fired along with Gruden the other party that you punks were crying "Foul" over...
#3....Cheating the CAP to the tune of losing some $36 Mil off the teams 2012 CAP!!!...Heading team who have traded for the #2 pick in the draft at the expense of sacrificing NOT only the 2012 draft but also the 2013-2014 1st rd picks!!!...Now without the $$$$ to sign any of their own players let alone go after any new "FA"s they will be further saddled with the $$$$$ CAP hit of the 2nd pick in this 2012 draft...Prolley a "QB" who will have NO hope of winning playing with a roster which has been Stripped!!!!
LoL!!!
Looks to me that you dumb bastards owe Al Davis a huge apology for all that scorn that you lobbied upon him for letting that Dumb-Dumb go!!!!
PantyRaider....Just Another Reminder Of How Dumb You "IAAF"ers Really Are!!!!/_
Bruce Allan
Washington Redskins General Manager
2009–
So YES he was there and YES he was responsible for what transpired in 2010!!!!
PR,
I stand 1000000% behind all of my words that you elaborately cut and pasted. Seriously, is your football IQ that low and are you so out of touch with reality?
The # of your posts and volume of your posts show how desperate you are to show what a complete hack and dimwit that you truly are.
You are coming apart at the seams. Get a grip, take you medication. Some day, hopefully in the near future, you will embrace the new era. While McKenzie and Allen get our house back in order, realize that our team and future is a work in progress. Part of that WORK is dealing with cap issues and a lack of draft picks which McKenzie and Allen are NOT responsible for.
As soon as you stop being Negative Nancy, let us all know. No matter how much you attempt to spin stuff, real Raider fans will be OPTIMISTIC about the future of OUR beloved team. Deal with it Negative Nancy because we aren't going anywhere and we aren't fooled by your garbage.
And YES I'm questioning some of the moves that Reggie is making and wondering where he's going with this???...
Why the hell wouldn't I when it looks remarkably similar to what Gary was posting fear about when you "New Optimist" said "Don't Worry"!!!
"Blowing Up The Team"!!!!
PR:
That’s a bit much, isn’t it? I agree with CJ. In hindsight, I still stand 1000% behind every word of what I wrote and you re-posted.
The sad reality, which you are struggling to accept, is that Al Davis was working in diminished capacity during his illness, and perhaps even before. Sure, he shined to end in certain areas that he always excelled, but the organization became fragmented. This much has been presented by Mark Davis and McKenzie.
The way I read the current player losses is that they are out of cap necessity or simply the right move.
"TE" Boss - underachiever
"RB" Bush - a luxury we can’t afford
"RG" Carlisle - aging (might get re-signed)
"QB" Campbell - replaced by Palmer
"DT" Henderson - failed his physical
"CB" Routt - big cap casualty.
"CB" Johnson - under-performer
"FS" Eugen - injured
It really doesn’t matter if you want to blame Mark Davis (not sure why), but contracts from making one huge run at success last year where too much to bear.
Perhaps if AL was still in charge, he would have worked his magic again and some of the players on your list would have remained.
Be aware, in a few short years, money under the salary cap will carry over to the next year. The way the Raiders historically manage their cap, this would not benefit them.
Another way to look at the Raiders max-cap spending is that they have yet to field a winning team. That falls on management; always did, always will.
"NYR"...
You twist everything to a negative against Mr Davis!!!
This:
"the organization became fragmented. This much has been presented by Mark Davis and McKenzie."
That's total "BS"....The fragmentation was after Al's passing NOT before it!!!...There's NOT a word that points to anything else!!!...No one man could run things the way Al did so nothing was ever going to work that way again!!!...His passing was an end to a system that had worked for several decades and NOT at all what your trying to pimp it to be!!!
You cried your ass off over 3 freakin players when it was Al Davis cutting them loose to save that CAP!!!...That $17 Mil we were over the limit by last season is the "Dead $$$$ Money" that was cut loose by letting Namndi walk but all you could do is cry about it...
Fact:
Namndi was an aging player long in the tooth and no longer worth the type of $$$$ that he would have cost....Check out his play in Philly!!!
Zack was an overrated "TE" who posted bigger #'s only as a result of "CheckDown" Campbell's inability to throw deep and NOT worth the $$$$ to resign him!!!...Check out his play in Seattle!!!
Gallery was an underachieving "OT" who was demoted to "G" but not healthy enough to finish a season nor worth the kind of $$$ that it would have cost to keep him...Check out his play in Seattle!!!!
But you cried and cried and cried about their loss while now you celibate this glorious rebirth in the midst of losing not 3 but 10 starters off our roster and prolley even more!!!
Your such a "Phony Baloney" in this that it pathetic!!!!...
The reality:
Your celebrating the loss of Al Davis and nothing more while you lie to try to cover it up just like that damn "Bigot" that claims he's not a damn "Bigot"!!!
This is total "BS"!!!
"TE" Boss - underachiever (Under Targeted)
"RB" Bush - a luxury we can’t afford (Quality Starter -n- Depth)
"RG" Carlisle - aging (might get re-signed)
"QB" Campbell - replaced by Palmer (Still Need A #3)
"DT" Henderson - failed his physical (BS Coverup)
"CB" Routt - big cap casualty. (Starter)
"CB" Johnson - under-performer (Injured All Season but Starter)
"FS" Eugen - injured (Prolley Recovered??)
Wimbeley/Moss -n- others to follow????
This is "Blowing Up The Roster"!!!
Than This:
"Be aware, in a few short years, money under the salary cap will carry over to the next year. The way the Raiders historically manage their cap, this would not benefit them."
You blind fool!!!...$3.2 Mil carried over from Al's last season of being "Capologist"!!!...Now you posted another total LIE!!!
PantyRaider....Get Real -n- Open Your Damn Eyes!!!!/_
What a WASTE....the only thing that is "blowing up" is WASTE. Jethro, go back to being 'agent orange' and spew your absurdity on their (donkies) site. You are tired and done. You backed a failing regime for years, now you won't back a new regime that is trying to clean up the mess. Obviously, you are a poser who just wants attention...too bad your mommy didn't hug you as a child, I think it's why you remain a child, still seeking that hug.
JONES
"NYR"/"JackStrap" Stop The "BS"!!!
Every damn thing your celebrating now is the same damn crap that you bashed Al Davis for the past several seasons!!!!
#1....Retread -n- Newbie Coaching Staff!!!
#2...Losing our starters in "FA"!!!!
#3...Over the CAP Hell that Marc put us in to the tune of some $20 Mil!!!!
#4...Loss of Draft Pick when Marc gave up the 1st -n- 2nd!!!!
That's all documented reality so stop trying to bury your fuckin heads in the sand and get a freakin grip on reality!!!
NO amount of hiding from this issue will save your asses from this reality!!!1
Your just ignorant damn "IAAF"ers and nothing more!!!
$$$$ being rolled forward into future Cap's!!!!
If or when we sign any "FA"s it will be with back loaded contracts and huge signing bonuses that are rolled back into future seaso9ns!!!
Now deal with it because that's the reality of the NFL and the same damn thing that you were bashing Mr Davis for!!!!!!!
Jethro said....
"TE" Boss - underachiever (Under Targeted)
"RB" Bush - a luxury we can’t afford (Quality Starter -n- Depth)
"RG" Carlisle - aging (might get re-signed)
"QB" Campbell - replaced by Palmer (Still Need A #3)
"DT" Henderson - failed his physical (BS Coverup)
"CB" Routt - big cap casualty. (Starter)
"CB" Johnson - under-performer (Injured All Season but Starter)
"FS" Eugen - injured (Prolley Recovered??)
Wimbeley/Moss -n- others to follow????
This is "Blowing Up The Roster"!!!
2 starters and fringe players is not "blowing it up". As opposed to 3 (Nnamdi, Gallery, Miller) starters who at the time, were considered 3 of the top players on the roster. So which one is "blowing it up"?
JONES
Where the fuck do you think this $$$$ is coming from???
Branch receives the "FT" @ $6.2 Mil Guaranteed!!!
Raiders | Richard Seymour restructures contract
Thu, 08 Mar 2012 05:20:50 -0800
The Oakland Raiders have restructured the contract of DL Richard Seymour. Seymour dropped his base salary to the league minimum ($925,000) and converted the remaining $6,575 million to a guaranteed roster bonus for cap purposes.
Raiders | Michael Huff restructures contract
Thu, 08 Mar 2012 05:23:46 -0800
The Oakland Raiders have restructured the contract of FS Michael Huff. Huff's salary dropped to $700,000, moving additional money into a bonus structure that would drop his cap number from $9.828 million to $3.988 million.
Raiders | Carson Palmer saves team $9.34 million after restructure
Fri, 09 Mar 2012 20:25:16 -0800
Updating a previous report, the Oakland Raiders saved $9.34 million against the salary cap after QB Carson Palmer agreed to restructure his contract Thursday, March 8. Palmer had his base salary in 2012 reduced from $12.5 million to the nine-year veteran minimum of $825,000. Palmer's contract was also extended a pair of voidable years to 2015 and 2016 to distribute the remaining $11.675 million as a roster bonus and spread out the cap hit - $2.335 million in proration each year - over five years. Palmer's new salary cap number is now $3.16 million in 2012.
Raiders | Aaron Curry agrees to contract restructure
Fri, 09 Mar 2012 20:24:21 -0800
Oakland Raiders LB Aaron Curry posted on his official Twitter account Friday, March 9, that he has agreed to restructure his contract. The team has not yet announced any transaction, but it is likely Curry will receive an extension since he is set to enter the last year of his contract. He was due a base salary of $5,757,000 in 2012 with the same figure for a cap number.
Raiders | Two ERFAs receive tender offers
Mon, 12 Mar 2012 15:40:16 -0700
The Oakland Raiders have tendered contracts to exclusive rights free-agent DE Mason Brodine and CB Bryan McCann. Both will receive a one-year deal worth $540,000 when they sign the tenders.
Raiders | Two RFAs receive tender offers
Mon, 12 Mar 2012 15:39:52 -0700
The Oakland Raiders have tendered contracts to restricted free-agent FB Marcel Reece and DL Desmond Bryant. The levels of the tenders were not disclosed.
And how will we sign any one like this:
Raiders | Mike Brisiel to visit
Wed, 14 Mar 2012 14:01:40 -0700
The Oakland Raiders are scheduled to meet with free-agent OG Mike Brisiel (Texans).
Raiders | Interested in Ron Bartell
Thu, 15 Mar 2012 05:49:01 -0700
The Oakland Raiders are showing interest in free-agent CB Ron Bartell (Rams).
Very damn simple!!!...That $$$$$ is all rolled back to the 2013/2014 CAPs and beyond!!!
You freakin idiots just don't get it!!!
Peyton Hillis leaves Browns for fresh start with Chiefs
The Kansas City Chiefs have signed former Cleveland Browns running back Peyton Hillis, the team announced Thursday.
Ya!!!...That's right!!!...Now we have another powerful "RB" to try and stop while we're losing defenders by the minute!!!!
As if we weren't already weak against the Run!!!
Blogger Calico Jack said...
PR,
I stand 1000000% behind all of my words
You ling ass fuck bitch!!!
Your NOT man enough to stand behind a damn word your saying and you know it!!!!
This:
Blogger Calico Jack said...
PR - I'm in. I will stop visiting this site for 1 complete year if the Raiders sign 2 big name free agents who are legit starters.
You lying bastard!!!!
PR: your disdain for McKenzie, Allen and the current staff is well-documented here.
Personally, I think your battle is without merit. Your fight appears more for the sake of fighting, maybe because you don't like some of us here. But that's not a good cause to trash the Raiders.
McKenzie would almost be justified to tank the entire roster. The Raiders haven't posted a winning season for 10 years.
I am disappointed that Rock Cartwright appears to be headed to the 49ers. I believe that's potentially a mistake.
2 starters and fringe players is not "blowing it up". As opposed to 3 (Nnamdi, Gallery, Miller) starters who at the time, were considered 3 of the top players on the roster. So which one is "blowing it up"?
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Not keeping Asum was one of his blunders in the last few years.
BTW... the team not NEEDING blowing up indicates how well the Raiders drafted lately... we are loaded with good young talent, especially on offense.
PR said: "Every damn thing your celebrating now is the same damn crap that you bashed Al Davis for the past several seasons!!!!"
Just curious, but if you believe that statement to be true, why are you so pissed off at Reggie McKenzie for, as you say, the same damn crap?
Why weren't you this upset with Al Davis?
Gary, I pretty much agree. The offense has some really good young talent.
The Raiders biggest weakness has to be in the defensive secondary. I'm a little surprised McKenzie is not more active in FA and hasn't already targeted a couple DB players for interview.
It's pretty clear he will be working in the second tier market... which is fine with me. It's a refreshing change.
"PR - I'm in. I will stop visiting this site for 1 complete year if the Raiders sign 2 big name free agents who are legit starters."
Name the 2 big name free agents who are legit starters that we signed.
Pryor ... nope, 3rd string supplemental draft pick.
Palmer ... nope, he wasn't a free agent.
Curry ... nope, he wasn't a free agent.
Darryl Blackstock ... nope, a special teams player from the UFL
Matt Giordano ... nope, not a big name, and a backup.
TJ Housh ... nope, a journeyman WR out of football.
Stephen Heyer ... nope, not a big name and not a starter.
Beyond Boss, who we cut after 1 year, point blank, who are the 2 big name free agents that were legit starters that we signed?
Go ahead Negative Nancy. Please share your deluded, off-base, rants.
More Losses!!!
defensive end Trevor Scott reportedly is slated to visit the New England Patriots.
San Francisco 49ers reportedly agree to terms with former Raiders special teams ace Rock Cartwright
"NYR".....
Copy/Post where I made any reference to:
"pissed off at Reggie McKenzie"
or-
"disdain for McKenzie, Allen and the current staff is well-documented here."
I'm pointing a finger at YOU fools for your Hypocrisy!!!!!...That's what "Pisses Me Off"!!!...You now celibate the same damn things that you Bashed Al Davis for!!!!
"CuntJack"!!!
Blogger Calico Jack said...
PR,
I stand 1000000% behind all of my words
You ling ass fuck bitch!!!
Your NOT man enough to stand behind a damn word your saying and you know it!!!!
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"Chronicles Of The LIAR"!!!~!!`\!/_
The Oficial "Jack-LIAR" Chronicles
This is how "SquawkinJack" Became Involved:
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Blogger Calico Jack said...
"Doubt your man enough to "Put Up Or Shut Up" but I will wager that Mr Davis makes a splash in "FA" this season....
Clarification:
At least one big name player if not 2...."
Seems straightforward and NYR has challenged you to put up or shut up. I guess, although you keep dancin' around it, you have decided to shut up or not accept NYR challenge.
Personally, I would be absolutely SHOCKED if we are able to sign 1 single BIG name external FA. I'm just hoping we are able to hold on some of our key internal FAs like TE Miller.
6:24 PM
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Blogger Calico Jack said...
As I understand it from reading the original posts;
NYR would exit RT for a year if the Raiders signed more than 1 "big name, tier 1" external FA who are legit. starters.
If the Raiders sign 1 or 0 "big name" tier 1 external FAs starters, PR would walk.
As an outsider to this challenge, my view is that PR talked tough:
"Doubt your man enough to "Put Up Or Shut Up" but I will wager that Mr Davis makes a splash in "FA" this season...."
NYR met him head on:
"You're on! Loser leaves Raider Take for one year. Davis must sign more than one top tier FA who was not on the Raiders roster last season"
And since that time, PR has weaseled, delayed, and attempted to fillerbuster out of the bet. Sad.
12:06 PM
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Blogger PantyRaider said...
"CJ"...
Doubt your man enough to "Put Up Or Shut Up" but I will wager that Mr Davis makes a splash in "FA" this season....
Clarification:
At least one big name player if not 2....
Projected Possibilities:
"QB"s...Vince Young/Carson Palmer
"WR"s...Vincent Jackson/Plaxaco Burris
"OT"....________________________
"OLB"...________________________
"Sup-Draft"...Slash Pryor
PantyRaider...Now Put Up Or Shut The Fuck Up!!!/_
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Prolley NOT as he waits to see if the Raiders sign that "LB" visiting today!!!...Than when it looks like everything is cold he will jump in with his mouth "Wagging That Dog" again...
Ya!!...That's really ?Manning Up"....Right!!!..
PantyRaider...Just Laughing At Cha Babies!!!/_
PS...I'm the only one who won't be worried about leaving this damn board for a freakin year...I'm not the least bit happy with all your damn lousy crying ass bitchin anyway...Get it!!!...You people are totally hilarious!!!...
8:37 PM
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Blogger Calico Jack said...
PR - I'm in. I will stop visiting this site for 1 complete year if the Raiders sign 2 big name free agents who are legit starters.
10:12 PM
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Blogger PantyRaider said...
"CJ"...
Fare enough...Your officially in...
The "QB" may or may not become a starter this season...Anything is possible so time will tell...
Wimbley was with the team last year so I'm NOT making an issue there...But just posting that I could...
The list is being assembled and actions will be taken accordingly...
PantyRaider...Just Having Fun Baby!!/_
10:20 PM
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Blogger PantyRaider said...
And by the way you freakin idiot...You signed off on a challenge of "FA"....There was no timeline stipulating the parameters so it's the life of "FA" this season...If your so stupid as to think that Al Davis won't make some sort of "Splash" between yesterday and the end of "FA" 2011 than you deserve all the adversity your about to get....
Dumb Ass!!!
4:28 AM
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Blogger PantyRaider said...
I will finish compiling my list and submit it as evidence that you will NO doubt try your damnedest to dispute as you try to squirm your way out of "Manning Up"....And by the way NOTHING was said about how a player entered the NFL...What position he was drafted in...How many seasons he played...Whether he has lost his starting job...Whether he's coming off injury...Nor anything of the sort so STOP trying to rewrite the rules of the challenge as stated below....Vincent Jackson was a 2nd rd pick!!!..Pryor will most likely be a mid to late rd pick...."Big Name" is that that player has made a name for himself as a starter...That's the key word here...He has to have been a consistent "Starter" -n- quality player -n- projected to start for his new team the Raiders......
NOT a "JePurpleDrank" who was a #1 pick but made NO name for himself as a starter and was NOT a quality player...
2:29 AM
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Than right before Boss is signed "LiarJack" starts to try to squirm out!!!
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Blogger Calico Jack said...
PR,
The way that I look at is simple. If the Raiders sign 2 big name, tier 1 free agents, I will gladly hold up my end of the bargain. Although I enjoy visiting RT, it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to take a break from your gibberish.
However, to suggest signing 1 FA to replace a departed, better FA is complete nonsense, laughable, and a complete disregard for credibility.
If we sign 1 player who is a big upgrade over the existing starter or departed player, that would be what a BIG name, tier 1 FA is all about.
Anything less is just white noise.
9:45 PM
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Blogger PantyRaider said...
"CJ"...
NO...NOT acceptable in the least...It was a challenge relating to "FA" acquisitions with one possible "Sup-Draft" pick added and had absolutely NOTHING to do with who we lost or didn't sign or cut...
PantyRaider...Adults Trying To Wiesel Out Of What They Agreed To...Squirm-Squirm-Squirm But The Way Is Shut -n- You Shall Not Pass!!!/_
2:38 AM
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Blogger Calico Jack said...
Boss was a good signing. By all accounts Boss is an upgrade over Miller in terms of run blocking and pass blocking. He also gets the nod in finding the end zone and being more physically imposing. Miller was more productive in total receptions, as go to receiver, converting 3rd downs, and total yards.
4:34 PM
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So it became agreed that Boss constituted the 1st "FA"
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Notice that I bring up Pryor's mane repeatedly and it's NEVER challenged because he was specifically named in my challenge as was Carson Palmer:
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Blogger PantyRaider said...
Somebody said they heard that Lito Shephard was coming to visit, any truth to that?
Your Pussies are twitching because now all it takes in ONE more!!!...
Will Pryor make it into the "Sup-Draft" and if he does will Al take that shot???
"OLB"/"OT"/"G"/"CB" are still legitimate targets yet unresolved and injuries will play into that equation as well....
And if Heyer starts out the gate than that's ONE so stop you stupid bitch routine and just deal with it...
PantyRaider...As They Squirm!!!/_
9:38 PM
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Blogger PantyRaider said...
Odd are these cards are stacked against you!!!
Never ever try to tie the hand of Al Davis saying he can't find the $$$$ or that he wont target quality players to help his team win....That was pure stupidity on your parts!!!
PantyRaider...Just Laughin At You CryBabies!!!/_
9:46 PM
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Now is where "JackSmack" really begins to start squirming and trying to get out of what he wagered:
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Blogger Calico Jack said...
The reason the Raiders haven't made any splash is because we were $15M+ over the cap just a few short days ago.
The Raiders plan was very simple and straightforward:
Do the best possible job retaining key players and add depth where needed.
The need for additional FAs this late into the preseason is a product of shoring up deficiencies, adding depth, creating competition, replacing departed FAs (Asomugha, Miller, Gallery), replacing retired FAs (hello Smiley), injured FAs (Eugene, Ford).
Clearly there was never any intention of making a splash in free agency which makes this bet a complete joke.
And let's not forget who wrote a check that there mouth couldn't cash ... this ridiculous bet was all on you PR for shoving it down our throat and being confrontational about it when there was no need to do it.
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Blogger PantyRaider said...
Point of Order!!
It's about signing Top "FA" starters and we did sign Justin Smiley "G" who was a consistent starter whether he retired or not...But I'm just not a weak ass punk like your proving yourselves to be so I don't take those points unless he's the legitimate starter on my Raiders...But you would damn sure be crying for those points if they were yours!!!...
In 3 weeks we will know beyond any reasonable doubt who our starters are and this board will be cleaned up at that point...Just like I presented to "CJ" when we signed our 2nd high quality "FA" that if he wants to wait until we see that he's a starter than that's his privilege...Just like it's my privilege now to wait and see who else we bring in during this process and to return should my Raiders go out and sign a new "FA" starter prior to the end of the 2011 "FA" period while you take's a hike!!!...
PantyRaider...My Challenge -n- My Rules Which Will Be Fare Despite Your Disgusting "Moveable Rubber Wall" Strategies!!!/_
10:54 PM
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Blogger PantyRaider said...
Raiders | Two safeties signed
Mon, 15 Aug 2011 15:35:05 -0700
The Oakland Raiders have signed free-agent SS Josh Bullocks (Bears) and FS Matt Giordano (Saints). Terms of the contracts were not disclosed.
Matt Giordano
Oakland Raiders
Free Safety
Ht: 6-1 | Wt: 200
7 seasons 56 Tackles -w- 10 Assists 3 Int
PantyRaider...Al's NOT Done Yet!!!/_
All it takes is 2 starters who are newly signed "FA"s or one such "FA" and one "Sup-Draft" pick as per the established and agreed upon "Rules of Engagement" as posted by YOU!!!
7:26 PM
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Blogger Calico Jack said...
I wouldn't be surprised if the Raiders sign 1 or 2 more players.
However, any add-ons will be journeymen cut from their squad who would be signed to add depth to our roster.
All the true "Top Tier" free agents are signed already. Sure there are a few "big name" FAs out there but there is a reason that these players are in the market ... injury concerns, past their shelf life quality, or marginal players at best.
The lack of a "splash" in free agency means the Raiders will need impact seasons from a few rookies and rely on improved performances from key 2-4 year players.
6:32 PM
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Blogger Calico Jack said...
Fair enough ... come Sept. 12th we will know if the Raiders made a splash in free agency.
Quite frankly, this is getting silly, embarrassing, boring, and stupid on a lot of levels.
If the signing of a replacement (Boss) and potentially a "possible" starter is enough to qualify as a 'splash', then forgive me for my ignorance but the word credibility has no meaning.
9:01 PM
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Blogger PantyRaider said...
"CJ"...
You knew the deal before you insisted on signing that contract...remember it wasn't me who drug you into this...You entered as a result of the tears of your friend whom you thought to support while he was crying for a 2nd to stand up in his behalf because he's too damn weak assed to fight his own battles alone...
Now I'm standing alone without a tear or fear while your crying FOUL!!!...
Give me a freakin break!!!
You put it out there...2 legitimate "Starters"...While at the moment we only have one sure starter signed it does appear that we will have at least 2 or 3 by that date so now your tweaking...But there's NO way out!!!
PantyRaider...The Way Is Shut...You Shall Not Pass!!!/_
9:48 PM
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Blogger PantyRaider said...
NFL | Terrelle Pryor eligible for supplemental draft
Thu, 18 Aug 2011 07:13:34 -0700
The National Football League has declared former Ohio State QB Terrelle Pryor eligible for the supplemental draft. The draft will be held Monday, Aug. 22.
Read more: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/NFL?page=0#ixzz1VOPMraK2
7:57 AM
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Blogger PantyRaider said...
NFL | Terrelle Pryor to hold Pro Day
Former Ohio State QB Terrelle Pryor’s Pro Day will be held Saturday, Aug. 20, at a local high school in the Pittsburgh area, according to his agent, Drew Rosenhaus.
Al will be represented there...I'm sure!!!
PantyRaider...I'm Such A Good Pimp!!!/_
8:29 AM
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Blogger PantyRaider said...
WoW!!..Now this is really weird!!!
NFL | Terrelle Pryor will not play first five games
Thu, 18 Aug 2011 10:11:53 -0700
Ohio State QB Terrelle Pryor has been suspended for the first five games of the 2011 season because he undermined the integrity of the eligibility rules for the NFL Supplemental draft. Pryor will be able to take part in preseason games but will not be allowed to be around the team for the first five weeks.
How the hell does a rookie earn a 5 game suspension before he's even drafted???...NCAA Politics!!!...
PantyRaider...So His Draft Stock Just Took A Hit Scaring Off Most Teams....Al Will Now Reap Those Benefits!!!/_
10:30 AM
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Blogger PantyRaider said...
"CJ"...
I also posted NOT to lose sleep worrying because more would follow as "MrD" spends that $8.5 Mil that's now in his pocket and that the vision would be clear when the smoke gets out of your eyes...
Now that's where we sit...So get a grip and see how this thing plays out...Like on Monday when the results of the "Sup-Draft" are posted right here!!!...
Otherwise the end date has been agreed upon...The start date of the season and the final starting roster which will be posted right here!!!
PantyRaider...Damn!!!...How Much Squirming Are You Inclined To Do In This!!!/_
Never let an opponent know he's got you on the ropes!!!
2:52 PM
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Now is when the real squirming begins because "JackStap" Knew Pryor would qualify!!!
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Blogger Calico Jack said...
The whole premise of making a free agent splash is to add top tier, elite talent to an existing foundation or base of talent.
Since when is this a splash;
Lose Miller, a pro bowl player, and add a player who was less productive in his 1st 4 years. Wash at best.
Lose Asomugha, a multiple pro bowl performer and shuffle the deck to Routt as #1 and CJ #2. Downgrade.
Lose Gallery at LG and go with a rookie or journeyman FA in Heyer or backup journeyman in Loper. Downgrade.
Simple question that boils this debate down to the bare essence:
In what position did we upgrade by adding an external free agent?
9:32 PM
Blogger PantyRaider said...
NFL | Terrelle Pryor expected to appeal suspension
Fri, 19 Aug 2011 11:14:02 -0700
Ohio State QB Terrelle Pryor's attorney, David Cornwell, said that Pryor is expected to appeal his five-game suspension once he signs his rookie contract.
12:29 PM
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Blogger PantyRaider said...
Raiders | Could look at Terrelle Pryor in draft
Fri, 19 Aug 2011 12:26:35 -0700
The Oakland Raiders could consider taking Ohio State QB Terrelle Pryor in the 2011 NFL Supplemental Draft but likely would wait until at least the fifth round to take him. Raiders | Denarius Moore could start
Fri, 19 Aug 2011 12:34:50 -0700
12:42 PM
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Blogger Calico Jack said...
- NO on Pryor
- NO on "free agent splash"
- YES on intelligent football discussions
Have a good weekend all. CJ
4:37 PM
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Blogger PantyRaider said...
My Boy Is Fast Aproaching The Raiders Now!!!...Don't Look I'm Pimping Ahgain!!!!/_
NFL | Terrelle Pryor puts up fast 40 time
Sat, 20 Aug 2011 11:13:32 -0700
Ohio State QB Terrelle Pryor ran the 40-yard dash in 4.38 seconds at his workout Saturday, Aug. 20. He ran a second 40-yard dash which was clocked in the 4.4 second range.
In a 6'6" 235# body with great running vision/hands/athletics and he throws that "Pig" too!!!
PantyRaider...Just A Pimp Selling My Bitch And A Damn Good One Too...
11:21 AM
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Blogger PantyRaider said...
Raiders attend workout of QB Terrelle Pryor
By Steve Corkran
Saturday, August 20th, 2011 at 11:15 am in Oakland Raiders.
A Raiders scout was at the workout of Ohio State quarterback Terrelle Pryor on Saturday morning. Pryor is regarded as the most attractive player of the six entered in the supplemental draft.
Seeing the Raiders scout confirms the team’s interest. Coach Hue Jackson downplayed the Pryor angle when asked about him Thursday.
The Raiders already are without second- and fourth-round picks in the 2012 NFL draft. However, it’s likely that they will gain at least one compensatory pick for a net loss of free agents in 2011.
12:15 PM
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Blogger PantyRaider said...
Told You So!!!....
I'm totally excited about this...I pimped it and I'm taking it...So good by good by....See ya next season!!!!...
PantyRaider...ThankYou "MrD"!!!!/_
PS...Not my conp so NO spell checker!!!
5:23 PM
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Agreed PR. A man is only as good as his word.
#1 I didn't sign off on the Pryor deal. Pryor is not a free agent but a 3rd round supplemental draft pick PROJECT.
#2 The Raiders have not made a "splash in free agency".
If you were a "man of your word", you would depart now. Adios.
And yes, there is an excellent chance we will sign a FA LB in the next few days with Goethel being out for the year with a torn ACL. This is not a "splash" though ... it is a reactive move to cover for an injury just like the Boss signing was no more than a reactive move to replace Miller.
Ask any Raider fan or NFL fan the simple question:
Did the Raiders make a splash in free agency this year and the answer is unequivocally, resounding "NO". Why? Because we didn't.
We didn't make a splash in free agency but I knew full well that you would spin this and make it more complicated than necessary.
CJ
7:19 AM
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Blogger PantyRaider said...
Doubt your man enough to "Put Up Or Shut Up" but I will wager that Mr Davis makes a splash in "FA" this season....
Clarification:
At least one big name player if not 2....
Projected Possibilities:
"QB"s...Vince Young/Carson Palmer
"WR"s...Vincent Jackson/Plaxaco Burris
"OT"....________________________
"OLB"...________________________
"Sup-Draft"...Slash Pryor
Now what the hell else do they want???...
#1...Kevin Boss
#2...Terrelle Pryor as specified in that challenge...
Than add in this: Signed "FA"s
"QB" Trent Edwards
"OT"/"G" Stephon Heyer
OG Justin Smiley Retired
"LB" Darryl Blackstock
"TE" Kevin Boss
"C" Samson Satele resigned
"WR" Chad Jackson
"WR" Derek Hagan
"RB" Michael Bush resigned
"SS" Josh Bullocks
"FS" Matt Giordano
"S"/"CB" Michael Huff resigned
Count them...That's 12 "FA"s -n- 1 "Sup-Draft" pick signed sense this challenge took place...Two of whom are without a doubt "Big Name FA's"...
But have no fear "RT" there are more to follow and NO...The injury to a Non_Starter at "LB" will NOT void the addition of a "Big Name LB" if added now!!!...
PantyRaider...It Is What It Is!!!/_
9:05 AM
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Blogger PantyRaider said...
So free agency is anything after the draft? Since when?
Sense this season when the "FA" period was delayed and came after the NFL Draft...
2:13 PM
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PR,
"celibate" = celebrate
Yes, I will continue to celebrate my love for the Raiders. You got a problem with that ... take it up with your Donkey bloggers.
Now we here from a "Man" who was able to man-up and be real!!!
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Blogger nyraider said...
Well, I guess that’s it. I lost the bet. Although, I question the acceptability of Pryor’s inclusion now that it’s been announced he will be suspended for five games.
I doubted until the end that the Raiders would select Pryor. I guess I assumed Davis was still too shell-shocked over Russell to consider another QB project (to which the Raiders have a horrendous history in developing young QBs).
It wasn’t until I saw the stat-line on Pryor’s pro day that I realized he might become a Raider. According to the initial media report, Pryor posted a sub 4.4 40.
So now the Raiders have the fastest RB (T Jones), fastest WR (too many to list), fastest CB (again, too many to list), fastest OL (B Campbell) and fastest QB (T Pryor) in the NFL. I’m probably missing a couple “fastest” player positions.
It’s like Davis built his team to compete in the Wide World of Sports NLF Challenge.
That said, I think Pryor is a good risk (at +/- $520k) , and I would say I was wrong to compare him to Russell.
From what I’ve seen (which is about the same uninformed access that I had to info on Russell), this kid can play. Also, I think he can make an immediate contribution. To wit, he doesn’t need to learn the entire playbook. He can be featured on a half dozen plays (pass, run or catch) and expand from that. He’s a weapon.
Perhaps next year or in 2013 he can be the Raiders QB.
In the more immediate future, the Raiders are without their 2nd, 3rd and 4th round draft picks next year.
IMO, that means they are ALL-IN with this current group. Like it or not, this is the team they have assembled to make-it or break-it for the next couple years.
Somebody mentioned compensatory picks. I believe those picks lag one year. I read that the Raiders were just awarded a 7th round pick in 2012 for last year’s net loss in free agency. That means 2013 is when the Raiders will pick up a couple (or three) higher picks for their net loss in free agency this year. That speaks volumes to the non-splash that occurred.
Clearly, no splash was made. But a bet is a bet. To the victor go the spoils. (I’m actually shocked you [PR] are not rubbing this in my face.)
Go Raiders! NYRaider over and out!
4:50 AM
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Blogger PantyRaider said...
At least on posted is willing to act like a man if his last post is legit!!!
PantyRaider...It Is What It Is!!!/_
5:16 PM
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Now is when "LiarJack" Does His Final Squirm And Refurse To Pay Up Like An Honorable Man...Notice he never once chllanged the name of Pryor before this point...
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Blogger Calico Jack said...
A 3rd round supplemental draft pick project who likely won't pan out + a downgraded (slightly) replacement for a Pro Bowl performer = SPLASH!
And the earth is flat.
Sorry but no cigar. If NYR leaves it will be a shame and travesty on all possible levels.
BTW, PR, I'm not going anywhere in spite of your distorted view of a free agent splash and internet tough guy act.
Cheers, CJ
6:10 PM
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Blogger PantyRaider said...
"CJ"...
A man is only as good as his word...Now you prove yourself defunct...NOT me...I just provided the arena in which you would fail!!!
3:27 AM
Blogger PantyRaider said...
"CJ"...
Point Of Order!!!
This challenge was posted to you in it's entirety...You accepted it as such making no further demands beyond it being "2" and that they be "Starters"...As per your comments on this board...
At NO time did you ever dispute the inclusion of the Sup-Draft nor Terrlele Pryor's name...
Never!!!...Even though I continually posted reference to him as part of this challenge....
It wasn't until after the fact that you posted he was not inclusive...After he was included in the "Sup-Draft" and the Raiders selected him with their 3rd rd pick...
So NO!!!...You can't just squirm out of it now...It is what it is and there is NO escape just as I posted to you there would be NO escape!!!...
So deal with it...Man up like you accused me of failing to do!!!
It's all on you now...
PantyRaider...The Agony Of Defeat!!!/_
3:15 PM
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Notice also that "Trades" were spicifically mentioned:
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Blogger PantyRaider said...
"CJ"...
WRONG and really DUMB!!!..
#1...Freeagency lasts throughout the season long after the 53 man roster has been finalized...There is also a "Trade Deadline" that has a definite ending time...The trade period begins about the same time as "FA"...
"NFL Trading Period opened August 4, 2011 - 4 pm est. NFL Trade Free Agency Period opened August 5, 2011."
"09"...Feb. 27 -- Free agency begins. Trading period begins.
8:02 PM
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Blogger Calico Jack said...
PR,
I find it amusing that you would be ignorant enough to act like Pryor is going to be a starter this year (or any year quite frankly).
In simple terms;
The Raiders did NOT make a free agent splash.
Pigs will fly before Pryor is a starter in 2011.
Game over. Punch your time card and promptly leave the building.
Cheers, CJ
8:30 PM
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Blogger PantyRaider said...
Congrats Jack...Your about to earn yourself the "Liar Tag"...
Blogger Calico Jack said...
PR - I'm in. I will stop visiting this site for 1 complete year if the Raiders sign 2 big name free agents who are legit starters.
"CJ" said:
"And since that time, PR has weaseled, delayed, and attempted to fillerbuster out of the bet. Sad."
NO...As it turns out you fit that description completely!!!
Now did anything "CJ" was crying about ever materialize....NO it did NOT!!!/_
This was totally about $$$$...His take was that my team could not sign/draft/trade to acquire any new "FA" starters because of the Salary Cap Constraints...Period!!!
He was wrong but not honest enough to admit it...
1:08 AM
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Blogger PantyRaider said...
Clarification:
The word "Splash" was finally defined as "2 New Top Tier FA Starters" -or- "1 New Top Tier FA Starter -n- 1 Top Tier Sup-Draft Pick" which makes "2"...
Two transactions that produce "2 Top Tier Players" similar to the names I posted on my challenge...
Carson Palmer
Vince Young
Vincent Jackson
Plaxico Burris
Terrelle Pryor
Now Keven Boss is very competitive with that grope and Pryor was named directly...
PantyRaider...Nothing More To Argue!!!/_
8:45 AM
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Blogger Calico Jack said...
PR,
I would have no problem whatsoever with packing it in for 1 year if I genuinely believe I lost the bet.
The best take-away from the countless comments on the bet is RTs which removes all subjectivity;
"if you were to ask any objective, impartial observer which teams made a "splash" with personnel moves in the NFL over the past month, the Raiders would not be mentioned."
If you want to drill down to the brass tacks of the bet, the following is 100% accurate;
1. The Raiders did NOT make a splash in free agency.
2. The Raiders signed 1 big name free agent (Boss) who is a downgrade on our previous TE (Miller)
3. Pryor is a 3rd round project who has 0% chance of being a starter this year.
4. The definition and meaning of a "top tier" player is a guy who is signed that is an instant starter from day one.
Spin it any way you want PR. You are welcome to huff and puff your chest out all you want but it will have no bearing on my moral values or sense of right and wrong. Deal with it because I'm not going anywhere.
Cheers, CJ
6:41 PM
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Now this is where it stands to this very day as "LiarJack" has constantly refused to "Man Up"!!!
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Blogger PantyRaider said...
"CJ"...
Your a punk!!!
Had I not gotten Pryor you would have been pushing my ass out that door just like you were trying to do before the "Sup-Draft" allowed him in and took place....
Than now knowing full well that his name was part of this you "Punk-Out" like a freakin wimp!!!
Your a LIAR!!...You earned it!!!..Do yourself proud!!...
Don't you ever come off with any more of your damn stupid crap slamming anything about Al Davis about keeping his word or me ever again because I will always throw this Crap back up in your face and post it in CyberSpace exposing you for what you are...
A cowardly LIAR -n- Hypocrite!!!
A Sham!!
You earned it!!!
More deals will follow and every one will just pile up on top of your head as an example of your cowardice -n- stupidity!!!
PantyRaider....NO Man Would Act Like That!!!/_
8:26 PM
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Blogger PantyRaider said...
"CJ"...
NO your LIES have worn thin!!!
It is what it is..NO escape from the reality of that...No act here just the reality of what you present yourself to be....
LIAR!!!
You never had any intent on following threw with a word of what you said..It was only an opportunity for you to push me out the door which is exactly what you were trying to do with this while hiding in the corner like a little girl when it comes back to bite your weak ass!!!
9:13 PM
He admits to "Trades" as part of the equation:
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Blogger Calico Jack said...
Don't expect any new player coming through the doors who can make a difference in 2012.
Pryor is a long shot, project at best who has zero chance of playing QB and less than 1% chance to learn a new position (WR/Slash), play, and make an impact. An effective
"slash" player in 2013 with a full training camp? Possible.
Big trades are highly unlikely since the Raiders have very few quality draft choices to bargain with.
Sayonara さようなら
Game over. Punch your time card and promptly leave the building.
Cheers, CJ
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Now for the record:
"FA"s -w- Starts:
Kevin Boss 11 Starts
Derek Hagan 6 Gms -w- 2 Starts
Matt Giordano 8 Starts
Lito Sheppard 7 Starts
Darryl Blackstock 16 Gms -w- 1 Start
Joe Porter 6 Gms -w- 1 Start
"K" 1 Start
"Trade" Starters:
Aaron Curry 11 Starts
Carson Palmer 9 Starts -n specifically named in my challenge!!!
"FA" Back-Ups NO Starts:
Nedu Ndukwe 1 Game
Mason Brodine 2 Games
Bryan McCann 7 Games
T.J. Houshmandzadeh 8 Games
Supplemental Draft Picks:
Terrelle Pryor -n- Specifically named in my challenge!!!
NOT Over By A Long Shot!!!
Let it also be noted that the other poster who conceded like a man that he was wrong also was welcomed back without prejudice when he noted a slight loophole in his favor...At which time I also noted that it was allowed because I would have done the same later when a named player was added via trade...Carson Palmer...To this day "NYR" continues to post freely without contention for being on that board dispite the fact that we disagree so much!!!...Even heatedly at times!!!...But he has EARNED his right to speak uncontested!!!...But NOT without contention as to the subject matter!!!
PantyRaider....Chief Advocate Board of Collections!!!!/_
It Ain't Getting Easier!!!
The Chiefs and TE Kevin Boss have agreed to terms on a contract for three years and $9 million, a league source said Thursday.
The Chargers have agreed to terms on a deal with WR Eddie Royal, a league source said Thursday.
PantyRaider....That "D" Will Be Up Against it!!!!/_
It is funny because I asked a simple, straight-forward, direct question which was the basis of the bet. Name 2 big name free agents that we signed.
Instead of a direct answer, PR wrote 2000+ cut and paste words that shows his true colors ... side-step, circumvent, divert, and try to spin.
Once again, name 2 big name free agents that we signed that were legit starters.
Read this carefully, Sherlock Holmes:
"PR - I'm in. I will stop visiting this site for 1 complete year if the Raiders sign 2 big name free agents who are legit starters."
Is Pryor a free agent? No. Is he a legit starter? No.
Keep running the Pryor bit up the flag pole and see how far that gets you. Nowhere really fast, loser. I couldn't give a rat's ass if you and NYR agreed about Pryor.
Me being "in" on the bet was, once again, "PR - I'm in. I will stop visiting this site for 1 complete year if the Raiders sign 2 big name free agents who are legit starters."
How much clearer is that?
It is interesting and quite revealing that you cut and pasted this line from me;
"Fair enough ... come Sept. 12th we will know if the Raiders made a splash in free agency."
OK dirt-bag. I will ask this 1 more time ... how many BIG NAME FREE AGENTS WHO ARE LEGIT STARTERS did we sign?
The answer: Unequivocally 1 and only 1. Kevin Boss. Have a nice day LOSER.
If truth be told, you have NO business on this site since you lost the bet. Deal with it scum-bag and stop being such a coward. You know you lost. Now deal with the consequences. Once a punk, always a punk.
I'm quite certain the grown-ups are quite tired of your schtick. If you didn't notice, you, and only you, keep dragging everyone in the dirt where you reside. Everyone else wants to have an intelligent (key word: Intelligent), football related debate and discussion but you keep bringing up the bet that you lost.
I'm no shrinking violet. If you take a punk ass, off-base shot at my honesty and character then guess what? You start it, I will respond and finish it.
Quite frankly it is played out. You know I'm not going anywhere and everyone knows you are a complete troll.
Silver and Black Forever.
This is rich:
"Now for the record:
"FA"s -w- Starts:
Kevin Boss 11 Starts
Derek Hagan 6 Gms -w- 2 Starts
Matt Giordano 8 Starts
Lito Sheppard 7 Starts
Darryl Blackstock 16 Gms -w- 1 Start
Joe Porter 6 Gms -w- 1 Start
"K" 1 Start
"Trade" Starters:
Aaron Curry 11 Starts
Carson Palmer 9 Starts -n specifically named in my challenge!!!
"FA" Back-Ups NO Starts:
Nedu Ndukwe 1 Game
Mason Brodine 2 Games
Bryan McCann 7 Games
T.J. Houshmandzadeh 8 Games
Supplemental Draft Picks:
Terrelle Pryor -n- Specifically named in my challenge!!!
PFFFFT. What a crock. Cut through all the crap and weed through the list one by one, name by name.
How many of these guys were free agents?
How many are "Big Name"?
How many were actual starters?
Anyone who has a pulse on reality knows that when the bet was originally concocted that it was for "Big Name" free agents ... making a big splash ... legit starters. Once you've weeded through the list and the answer is Boss and only Boss.
Why do you throw in the non-free agents? Why do you add journeymen back-ups, UFL scubs?
Answer: You are spinning to divert attention to my direct question:
Name 2 big name free agents that we signed that are legit starters. Go ahead. All you need to do is name 2 Big Name free agent signings that were legit starters. That isn't so hard. We don't need long lists and 2000 words.
If a backup gets x number of starts being the starter gets injured, it doesn't matter. If a guy plays special teams, it doesn't matter. Why? Because it doesn't qualify for the original intent of the bet of making a SPLASH with BIG NAME free agents who are legit starters.
Tired of this BS. Take it up with someone who gives a shit about your twisted nonsense. Your continual volume of BS is annoying like a fly buzzing around that you want to swat. It is impossible to deal with someone with such a low IQ. Read a book. Learn how to spell. Join the Broncos BLUE and ORANGE Brigade ... but most importantly, get lost.
Nurse Ratched...calling Nurse Ratched...
JONES
"Tired of this BS. Take it up with someone who gives a shit"
That's you Bitch!!!...LIARJack"!!!
I'm right here in your damn face where I'm staying and I don't give a damn how freakin tiered you get of it!!!!
You earned it you weak ass lying bastard!!!
YOU give a shit and that['s why you have to try to lie again and again to defend your huge loss of Honor!!!!
$$$ Can Be Rolled Forward To The Folowing Season's Cap???
Cap at $120.6 Mil….Must spend 90% of that season’s Cap…$108.5 Mil…
Thus a max of 10% can be rolled forward….$12 Mil…
Some teams will no doubt be able to do this and their Cap is at $122.2 Mil so $12.2 Mil can be added to next season’s Cap…
My question is will they now have to spend 90% of all that’s available???…
$121 Mil 2013 Cap
+$12.2 Mil Roll Over
-—————————————
$133.2 Mil total available for 2013 Cap…They would have to spend $119.9 Mil….$13.3 Mil could be rolled over again???…
Eventually they are stuck spending the entire Cap for that season anyway so it doesn’t really pay to try and save…
Negative Nancy,
All you need to do is name 2 Big Name free agent signings that were legit starters. That isn't so hard. We don't need long lists and 2000 words.
Still waiting ...
more proof that you lost.
...you guys really crack me up. I'm pretty sure at least one of you wears Raiders jammies (with footsies). All this banter for offseason moves? You guys act like you know what you're talking about. I love this blog! Hahaahahaa! Infighting for the same team. Noone's really "speaking words of wisdom"... let it be. Enjoy the naysayers and hype, don't be a part of it. Don't let your Depends get all in a bunch, just relax, y'old armchair QB's... good grief!
"OTB"s Words Of Wisdom!!!
http://sunglasses.name/gif/joker-clap.gif
LoL!!!
Meanwhile "BlindJack"s still hiding behind someone's skirt like a weak little bitch!!!
Read it and weep you Idiot!!!
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Blogger PantyRaider said...
"CJ"...
Doubt your man enough to "Put Up Or Shut Up" but I will wager that Mr Davis makes a splash in "FA" this season....
Clarification:
At least one big name player if not 2....
Projected Possibilities:
"QB"s...Vince Young/Carson Palmer
"WR"s...Vincent Jackson/Plaxaco Burris
"OT"....________________________
"OLB"...________________________
"Sup-Draft"...Slash Pryor
PantyRaider...Now Put Up Or Shut The Fuck Up!!!/_
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Blogger Calico Jack said...
PR - I'm in. I will stop visiting this site for 1 complete year
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Blogger Calico Jack said...
PR,
I stand 1000000% behind all of my words
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LoL!!!...There's just NO way around that...None at all...
Get out you crayon again so I can draw you another picture:
#1..."I will wager that Mr Davis makes a splash in "FA" this season...."
(in "FA")....Do you see that yet???..."In Free Agency"...NOT "A Free Agent"...."In Free Agency"....
#2...After the CBA the "Free Agency Period" and "Trading Period" were after the draft and running concurrent as a single "Period" so any player added by any means after the regular draft...
#3...."At least one big name player if not 2...."
All it really took is one "Big Name Player" but I added the 2nd...This would also include trades or any other way that a "Big Name Player" was added....It never said a word about being a "Starter" or anything else...Just a "Big Name Player"...
#4...."Projected Possibilities:
"QB"s...Vince Young/Carson Palmer"
Now notice that both "QB"s were NOT "Free Agents" at the time of this challenge thus the only way to obtain them was threw a "Trade" and that "Trade" did take place and it was for the player so named by name...Carson Palmer!!!!...Just NO way out of that!!!
#5...""Sup-Draft"...Slash Pryor"
Notice he was named specifically and it was specifically designated as to how he would be acquired..."Supplemental Draft"...Terrelle Pryor was a "Big Name" Player as a "QB" who led his team to championships and was a 2 time MVP!!!...At NO time did you ever challenge that "Sup Draft" pick being included....NEVER!!!!...NOT a single solitary word against it until after the fact and he was a Raider and you had to try to LIE your squirming ass out of what you wagered!!!
#6..."FA"s -w- Starts:
Kevin Boss**** 11 Starts
NFL Draft: 2007 / Round: 5 / Pick: 153
Super Bowl XLII champion
Receptions 147
Receiving yards 1,968
Receiving TDs 21
Derek Hagan 6 Gms -w- 2 Starts
Matt Giordano 8 Starts
Lito Sheppard**** 7 Starts
NFL Draft: 2002 / Round: 1 / Pick: 26
2× Pro Bowl (2004, 2006)
Tackles 345
Passes defended 70
Interceptions 19
INT return yards 460
INT return TDs 3
Darryl Blackstock 16 Gms -w- 1 Start
Joe Porter 6 Gms -w- 1 Start
"K" 1 Start
"Trade" Starters:
Aaron Curry**** 11 Starts
NFL Draft: 2009 / Round: 1 / Pick: 4
Tackles 202
Sacks 5.5
Forced fumbles 4
Touchdowns 1
Carson Palmer**** 9 Starts -n specifically named in my challenge!!!
Heisman Trophy (2002)
NFL Draft: 2003 / Round: 1 / Pick: 1
2× Pro Bowl (2005, 2006)
Pro Bowl MVP (2006)
NFL Alumni Ouarterback of the Year (2005)
FedEx Air Player of the Year (2005)
AFC Player of the Year (2005)
TD-INT 167-116
Passing yards 25,447
QB Rating 86.3
"FA" Back-Ups NO Starts:
Nedu Ndukwe 1 Game
Mason Brodine 2 Games
Bryan McCann 7 Games
T.J. Houshmandzadeh 8 Games
Supplemental Draft Pick:
Terrelle Pryor**** -n- Specifically named in my challenge!!!
sophomore year Pryor led the Buckeyes to another Big Ten Championship.
2010 Rose Bowl MVP trophy after leading Ohio State to a 26-17 victory over Oregon.
2007 Hall Trophy (U.S. Army Player of the Year)[25]
2007 PARADE National Player of the Year and All-American[26]
2008 Pete Dawkins Trophy (U.S. Army All-American Bowl MVP)
2008 U.S. Army All-American MVP
2008 Big Ten Freshman of the Year (coaches)[27]
2008 All-Big Ten Honorable Mention (media)[27]
2009 Tostitos Fiesta Bowl Sportsmanship Award
2009 Big Ten Preseason Player of the Year
2009 All-Big Ten Honorable Mention (media)
2010 Rose Bowl MVP
2010 All-Big Ten Honorable Mention (coaches and media)
2010 Big Ten MVP runner-up
2011 Miller-Digby Award
Supplemental Draft: 2011 / Round: 3
Now it's very damn obvious that your FUCKED but you already knew that!!!!
You obviously suffer from cognitive dissonance....
This:
Raider Nation settles into a distinct two camps: one that stands united in support of the brazen tearing down of the roster assembled by the former regime and new GM Reggie McKenzie in wait for gems believed he will find in subsequent waves of free agents, another that watches in horror as division rivals Broncos, Chiefs, and Chargers sign contracts to address roster deficiencies whilst they only mount in Oakland.
Perhaps, a roll call is now in effect:
the list of FAs w/ yrs in the league from Yahoo sports:
OT Khalif Barnes 7
ILB Darryl Blackstock 5
QB Kyle Boller 9
OLB Jerome Boyd 1
S Tyvon Branch 4 (franchised)
DE Mason Brodine 0
DT Desmond Bryant 3
RB Michael Bush 4
QB Jason Campbell 7. Now a Chicago Bear
RB Rock Cartwright 10. Now a 49er.
S Matt Giordano 7
OLB Quentin Groves 4
OT Stephon Heyer 5
WR T.J. Houshmandzadeh 11
CB Bryan McCann 2
OLB Jarvis Moss 5
FB Marcel Reece 2
C Samson Satele 5
WR Chaz Schilens 4
DE Trevor Scott 4
CB Lito Sheppard 10
LB Kamerion Wimbley. Not yet a FA, but believed by many to be destined for release.
starters under contract:
OFFENSE: QB Carson Palmer, RB Darren McFadden, LT Jared Veldheer, LG/C Stefen Wisniewski, G/T Joe Barksdale, TE Brandon Myers, WR Darrius Heyward-Bey, WR Denarius Moore, WR Jacoby Ford, WR Louis Murphy
DEFENSE: DT Richard Seymour, DT Tommy Kelly, DE Matt Shaughnessy, DE Lamarr Houston, MLB Rolando McClain, OLB Aaron Curry, LB Travis Goethel, CB Demarcus Van Dyke, CB Chimdi Chekwa, S Michael Huff, S Mike Mitchell
tendered or tagged:
DT Desmond Bryant, DE Mason Brodine, CB Bryan McCann, FB Marcel Reece. SS Tyvon Branch franchise tagged.
Offensive line remains an area of concern, with McKenzie and the Raiders looking to shop FA first before making offers to Khalif Barnes who may also be ultimately cut.
CB and LB both currently need either depth or are lacking personnel at each position. Kamerion Wimbley still a question mark for the former SLB spot, currently remains under contract but time will tell if he's released as well.
The most notable cut belongs to Kevin Boss, now a member of the KC Chiefs giving them a duo at TE that should command respect from the league, leaving in question whether the Raiders will proceed at the position without a top tier starter. It has already been speculated throughout Raider Nation that the Carson Palmer airshow will not need one.
Early indications from workouts scheduled with the team show the Raiders have at least the G and CB positions as potential free agent targets, and many fans anticipate former Hue Jackson acquisition Kyle Boller's name to be replaced on the QB depth charts with an FA not named Rhett Bomar.
The current state of the severely depleted roster also highlights key areas the Raiders clearly need depth, and others that will need upgrading in order to give Allen all the tools the team will need to implement their plans going forward, and to compete in a division that could look very different in 2012, especially if a guy named Peyton is inserted into a certain lineup. Lots of questions remain, with very little by way of answers at the moment, that is, until word of the first signing comes out of Alameda.
So while astronomical dollars float across tables across the country, the purse strings remain tight in Oakland look to stay that way.
The quiet before the storm? The dark before the dawn? Patience is a virtue... not commonly possessed by fans of the silver and black!
I think we just broke a blog record for re-posting.
This exchange is sure to drive away interesting football discussion... but I'll try.
Boss signed by the Chiefs. Now they have Routt and Boss.
Ironically, the Raiders will be paying both Boss and Routt balances due on guaranteed contracts while they play against them in 2012. There's a new twist.
Well "NYR" that's your "New Era" that your celebrating so damn hard!!!
Pay them to play against us...Right!!!
But don't question anything or your labeled a "Deserter"!!!
caplannfl: I’m told the Raiders have just informed Kamerion Wimbley that he will be released. [via Twitter]
Glass Chaz Becomes A Jet???
Meanwhile back in OakTown it's all too quiet!!!!
Reportedly we are now some $15 Mil under the Cap...
These Players Are NOT Yet Tallied Into Our Cap but now have guaranteed $$$$ this season:
DT Desmond Bryant,
DE Mason Brodine,
CB Bryan McCann,
FB Marcel Reece.
SS Tyvon Branch franchise tagged. $6.2 Mil
If we restructure again we just send even more $$$$ against our 2013/14 Caps...If we sign these players with back loaded contracts it's again the same problem...If we bring in new "FA" by awarding back loaded contracts and huge signing bonuses we my very well find ourselves in this very same type of Cap Hell next season...
Meanwhile we field a depleted roster void of reliable depth with very suspect starters at key positions...
That the reality before us at the moment unless Reggie can pull out some kind of "Cap Magic" before it's over...
PantyRaider....Sounds Like Old Times!!!!/_
PR: Instead of pointing your finger at me (and others) maybe you could tell us what McKenzie should have done differently to get below the cap?
I'm impressed by the number of frontline players he was able to renegotiate with or otherwise retain. Honestly, the players he's cut made perfect sense...
And it's certainly not McKenzie's fault the Raiders will be paying Routt and Boss. He made measured decisions and cut his losses with certain players.
Raiders | Kamerion Wimbley released
Fri, 16 Mar 2012 12:25:28 -0700
The Oakland Raiders have officially released LB Kamerion Wimbley.
PR said: "If we restructure again we just send even more $$$$ against our 2013/14 Caps...If we sign these players with back loaded contracts it's again the same problem...If we bring in new "FA" by awarding back loaded contracts and huge signing bonuses we my very well find ourselves in this very same type of Cap Hell next season..."
This is how the Raiders have operated for years. How do you think Al Davis got below the cap every year?
This is what McKenzie is trying to get away from, but it won't be entirely possible until the current contracts can be phased out.
"This is what McKenzie is trying to get away from"
"NYR" who the hell are you trying to kid???....Are you playing with your "Crystal Balls" out in the rain again???...Now you know what Reggie is trying to do while he's doing the exact opposite???
LoL!!!
At the moment it's still the same old same old way but at an exaggerated level...3-4 times exaggerated!!!
Last season Al renegotiated how many contracts???...Do you recall???
Routt -n- who else???...
We have now done Palmer/Huff/Curry/Seymour -w- more slated to follow...Now that huge $$$$'s is rolled back to 2013...
How many players were cut last season???
Namndi and who else while others were never resigned....
We have now cut:
"CJ"/Eugene/Boss/Carlisle/Henderson-n-Wimbeley while several others have not been resigned and gone elsewhere like Chaz/Rock/Campbal....
Do you get the picture yet???
NO!!!...You still see things threw those "Rose Colored Lenses" that blur your vision!!!
The Raiders parted ways with their best pass rusher Friday, releasing outside linebacker Kamerion Wimbley before $17.5 million in guarantees were set to kick in on the contract he signed last training camp.
The Raiders managed to get under the $120.6 million salary cap without cutting Wimbley, but clear an additional $4.5 million after his release.
Wimbley will still receive $6.5 million from the Raiders in 2012
LoL!!!...So we end up paying him more this season than we saved by cutting him and now have to go out and try to find a replacement for his 7 sacks per season!!!
But hell never question anything here because that's desertion!!!
LoL!!!...But it was/is OK to bash the hell out of ownership???
PR said: "How many players were cut last season???"
Last year is when all the mega contracts were signed and set to explode this year.
I would guess that not less than 4 Raiders players doubled, tripled or better their salary from 2010.
Wimbley went from about $600k to $11M+/-
Routt got $10M+
Henderson from the vet minimum to millions
Eugene, Huff, etc, etc, etc.
This thing was going to blow up with or without Al Davis.
The two guys you were most worried about (Palmer and Curry) both restructured and present minimal issue for the Raiders.
Wimbley was put in a no-lose position of not having to do anything to collect his millions.
Now, he'll get paid by the Raiders and by his new team, just like everybody else!
Briesel and Bartell got signed
By all accounts, Briesel and Bartell were excellent signings. Kudos to McKenzie.
NYR:
To echo your thoughts ... I think McKenzie is working through the initial cap hell and organizational transition with both short and long term goals.
The payroll and roster needed immediate attention but McKenzie understands that the process will take time to put us in a better position for future seasons/drafts/free agency periods.
This off-season he has faced down the gun barrel and made some difficult decisions. I have all the faith, trust, and confidence that McKenzie was the right guy at the right time to take us into the new era.
Reggie has already made a bigger splash in F.A's than all of last year. Jethro was screaming "how they gonna pay for..." there ya go, pansy boy/girl.
Tossin out the trash and bringing in HIS GUYS, keeping the core together so it isn't "blowing it up". Blowing it up means trading away the core, ain't happening. Bringing in better quality for cheaper = good management. Keep crying Jethro, it's funny to watch you reveal yourself for the whiny wimp you are. Keep goin Reggie, get this thing turned around, right now......
JONES
I have ZERO doubt in my mind that Reggie is working his plan with a clear vision, piece by piece, to get us on track.
From Pro Football Talk:
"While these additions will generate little attention because they occurred late Friday, they are quality signings by first-year G.M. Reggie McKenzie. Bartell and Brisiel are both immediate impact starters."
It will be less about a "splash" and headline ink and more about getting guys in that will improve the product on the field. I would anticipate plenty more guys from the waiver wire, undrafted college players, 2nd tier free agents coming through the door who will impact the bottom line: Wins.
"NYR"...
At least you could look before you run your mouth into the sand as usual!!!...NO New Henderson Contract!!!
02/17/2011 DT Richard Seymour re-signed
02/24/2011 LB Kamerion Wimbley designated franchise player
02/25/2011 Re-signed RB Rock Cartwright and CB Stanford Routt
07/29/2011 Re-signed LS/LB Jon Condo and DE Jarvis Moss
07/31/2011 Re-signed FS Michael Huff
08/01/2011 Re-signed LB Kamerion Wimbley
08/02/2011 Re-Signed C Samson Satele
08/06/2011 Re-signed RB Michael Bush
But this did turn up and shed some sparkling light on things giving some direction to where Reggie is going with this:
Why So Serious?
The people who think we will be in trouble next year and 2014 with the cap because of the restructure of contracts are wrong the ext. just made there 2012 salary a signing bonus and the additional years are voidable in 2014. But also that is when the new TV money comes into effect and the salary cap will increase big time . So we are doing right .
Now if true Reggie can wheel -n- deal his way back into contention with more "Briesel and Bartell"s...
But this will be back loaded contracts with huge signing bonuses just like I projected only maybe that's not such a bad thing if we can make it till 2014???
Official word from the source: "The Oakland Raiders: The Oakland Raiders have signed two veteran performers with extensive starting experience—cornerback Ron Bartell and guard Mike Brisiel."
"(Bisiel 5 mil, Bartell 3 mIllion = 8 Million"
No word yet on how the contracts are worded...Only this:
Ron Bartell signs for one year for $3 mil, immediately steps into #Raiders starting lineup at cornerback. Neck checked out fine. - Vito Tafur viz twitter
One year deal will NOT be easy to back load to 2013/14???...Signing Bonus is divided over the length of the contract so one yr is still one yr...Apparently that entire $3 Mil will count against the 2012 Cap...Not sure yet about the $5 Mil for our new "G"???
PantyRaider...Finally!!!...Thanks Reggie For Showing Something Positive!!!!/_
"the Oakland Raiders announced the addition of Zone Blocker and Tough guy Extraordinaire, Mike Brisiel, formerly of the Houston Texans. (Interestingly, Brisiel also has experience as a Center)"
evansilva:
#Raiders Bartell, Brisiel deals will get no pub because they happened late Friday but those are 2 rock-solid starters. Great pickups. [via Twitter]
By Bill Williamson
Dennis Allen has finally landed Ronald Bartell.
Three years ago, when Bartell was last a free agent, he visited the Saints and struck up a relationship with Allen, then New Orleans’ secondary coach. Bartell ended up re-signing with the Rams.
Bartell
Friday, however, Allen and Bartell united. The Raiders signed Bartell to a one-year deal. Bartell, 30, will be one of Oakland’s starting cornerbacks. The Raiders will continue to look in free agency for another starting cornerback and have been in the mix for the Saints’ Tracy Porter, who has played for Allen.
Bartell said he is looking forward to playing for the new Oakland coach. Bartell also played for Oakland defensive backs coach Clayton Lopez in St. Louis.
I caught up with Bartell on Friday evening. He is excited about the opportunity to work with familiar faces.
"This is the perfect match for me," Bartell said. "I know some of these guys and I feel comfortable with what they are doing. I really look forward to the opportunity to playing in Oakland."
Bartell, who has 66 NFL starts, missed all but one game last season with a neck injury. He said he is completely healthy.
"I’m looking forward to stabilizing the position for Oakland and showing everybody how effective I can be when I’m healthy," Bartell said.
"5 year 20 mill for Brisiel"
So this can be spread out over the term of the contract and NOT count entirely against our 2012 Cap...
Reggie the "Capologist"!!!
Speculation is the one yr deal for our new "CB" is tentative upon his health and that if he looks good he can be resigned/renegotiated to a longer term deal that lessens our 2012 Cap hit thus freeing up additional $$$'s...
Neck injuries are always a huge concern so Reggie is smart to give this more time for further evaluations...
Further Needs:
#2 “CB” (May already be on the roster?)
“C” or “LG” (May already be on the roster?)
“OLB”
“DT” or “NG” (May already be on the roster in a 3-4?)
“RB” Short Yardage (May already be on the roster?)
“TE” (May already be on the roster?)
#2 “QB” (May already be on the roster?)
#3 “QB”
Lot’s of depth???
David Garrard...Now a "FA" could be a nice pick up at "QB" for our run oriented "O" under Knapp...
Height: 6 ft 1 in
Weight: 235 lb
NFL Draft: 2002 / Round: 4 / Pick: 108
Pro Bowl selection (2009)
TD-INT 89–54
Passing yards 16,003
QB Rating 85.8
Rushing Attempts 380
Rushing Yards 1,746
Rushing Touchdowns 17
"CP3" doesn't exactly fit what Knapp says he intends to run...The "QB" needs to roll out and be mobile which is NOT the normal for a "Pocket Passer" like Palmer...But Palmer does fit the Timing Patterns where he has excelled in the past...Word is he's Mobil enough to get it done but that's still a concern???
Both Gerrard -n- Pryor are very nimble of foot but do they fit a Timing "O"???
Not sure it makes much sense to try a return to the "Gannon" type "O" without the bodies already in place to run it...Also NOT sure Knapp can do for the Raiders what was done in Houston where Knapp was only the "QB"s coach NOT "OC"???...With Al Saunders assisting it will hopefully be a smooth transition but that's still questionable...
At least now we have a "ZBS" "RG" who also has experience at "C"...
"Wiz II" appears to be very mobile/athletic so may fit this well...
Campbell should also fit with his mobility and athleticism...
At this point I have no idea how Veldheer or Barksdale fit in this or who will be our "RT" so some questions remain on the "OL"???
PantyRaider....Many Unanswered Questions Still Loom!!!!/_
Raiders | Mike Brisiel agrees to five-year deal
Fri, 16 Mar 2012 16:19:16 -0700
Free-agent OG Mike Brisiel (Texans) agreed to a five-year deal worth $20 million from the Oakland Raiders Friday, March 16.
"The Raiders had some money to throw around at players after spending most of the past two months paring salary and creating salary-cap space.
Earlier today, the Raiders freed up $4.5 million by releasing veteran outside linebacker Kamerion Wimbley. The Raiders still have around $10 million in cap room."
Looks like the Raiders let Chaz walk for 500k .
FIVE HUNDRED K????
And we miss Al why???
What a fucking moron... worst move since hiring Knapp...
Am I the only one finding the new formating completely hard to follow?
Gary...
Careful questioning anything will get you labeled a "Deserter"!!!
Meanwhile there's more expressed concern over the loss of Rock who never carries that "Pig" than over Bush/Chaz and all the rest of our starters -n- quality backups...
LoL!!!...Go figure!!!
This board format SUCKS!!!
Damn "Donkey" Puke Orange-n-Blue instead of Raider Silver-n-Black!!!
PantyRaider....Kum-Ba-Ya-Ya Has Taken Over The "Valley of Doom-n-Gloom"!!!!/_
Blinders -n- Knee Pads are the official attire now as those "Buckets-o-Tears" have been dumped!!!!!!...LoL!!
Does anyone here actually pay attention to what is said inside the organization? Boss was released because he wasn't productive and Palmer prefers Auasberry.
gary,
i for one don't care too much for this new format... only thing i do like is the comment box was moved down. so now we don't have to scroll back up to the top...
Anno:
I never saw that reported but thanks for the info...I know there was some talk about his concussions and the possibility that they were severe??
For what ever reason Boss was severely under targeted...I remember one game he had a drop of 2 but early on he was posting very good yds per catch #'s and than just disappeared...
I do like Ausberry...Also a power runner...Hopefully he fills our needs...
PantyRaider....Several Hole To Fill!!!/_
...."Looks like the Raiders let Chaz walk for 500k .
FIVE HUNDRED K????
And we miss Al why???
What a fucking moron... worst move since hiring Knapp..."...
Oh no, Chaz is gone and now the Raiders have no hope? 500K? So Chaz can now be a injury riddled 2nd stringer for the Jets, O Da Horor. How is Reggie ever going to replace him? All you dweebs crying over fringe players like they are irreplaceable...boo hooo. Then in the next sentence, they defend the signing of mediocre players to big money. Freakin idiots, they take a crap in their toilet, stand up and look at and say "it must be gold". Too many morons give the NATION a bad name = "....".
JONES
PR said:
"At least you could look before you run your mouth into the sand as usual!!!...NO New Henderson Contract!!!"
Maybe you should take your own advice!
Henderson spent the past two seasons with the Raiders. He was originally signed to a one year deal at or about the vet minimum for his position. He was injured during much of his first year (situational player in about nine games), but Davis then signed him to a 2-year deal worth $8 million. He was due $4 million in 2012.
Look it up yourself. Better yet, here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVYY7ZL3aOA
BTW, if you're pulling transaction lists off the Raiders website, you're a bigger fool than I thought. Historically, the Raiders only post about 80%-90% of their transactions.
I guess, being a Broncos fan, you wouldn't know that.
Oh no, Chaz is gone and now the Raiders have no hope? 500K? So Chaz can now be a injury riddled 2nd stringer for the Jets, O Da Horor.
>>>>>
These are the kind of deals that make a team, Mr. Jones. Thats what I keep hearing that St. McK was bringing to the table... VALUE PICKS AND VALUE SIGNINGS.
I'm pretty underwhelmed right now.
Name who is playing the slot now (If you even know what that means) and explain why he would be better than Chaz. Murphy? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!
Gary - Any one of our lightning fast WRs who plays slot will be a mismatch against any N/Dime DB or LB that covers him.
Also, we have Reece and McFadden to line up in slot.
Honestly, crying foul and being underwhelmed by us not keeping a guy who spent his entire career injured is a bit much, isn't it, Gary?
Oh da horor, gary is underwhelmed, what's the world to do?
Wasn't it just a couple of years ago 'gary' was telling us how the Org was "hitting it out of the park"? gary, your opinion is meaningless, your track record is horrendous. Just like with jethro, if you 2 are panicking, to me, that's a good sign that things are moving in the right direction. Thanks for reconfirming. "da skie is faling". Try and stop the premature behavior, it's kids stuff.
JONES
Gary,
The funny thing is that Murphy is better than Chaz and the stats back it up.
In less games played, Murph has more receptions and more yards than Chaz.
Chaz
44 games played, 72 receptions, 902 yards, 12.5 avg., 7 TDs
Murphy
41 games played, 90 receptions, 1,371 yards, 15.2 avg., 6 TDs
As far as who plays the slot ... the same guys who played it while Chaz was in street clothes.
Seriously ... Why are you worrying (or moaning) about losing a guy who was injured most of the time and averaged less than 20 receptions per season?
06/15/2010 Signed DT John Henderson
On June 11, 2010, Henderson signed a one-year contract with the Oakland Raiders. On February 24, 2011, he signed a 2 year, $8 million contract with the Raiders, keeping him through the 2012 season.
Now "NYR" notice that I will always correct a mistake that I make when more info is added....Can't say the same for you "IAAF"er ass holes now can we????
It's NOT the "Argument" that's important...It's the "Truth" which for the most part you "IAAF" "New Optimist" totally abandon in search of ways to bash a man's memory!!!!
Now that's pathetic!!!
So how about addressing the issue as far as where all that rolled back $$$$$ are going that's been renegotiated this season and how that's going to affect future Caps???
After all that's the issue that was being thrown around NOT whether or not John Henderson was resigned in 2011!!!
I posted that Reggie is doing exactly what Al Davis has been doing as "Copologist" which you have Scorned!!!....Signing contracts that are back loaded or with huge signing bonuses while restructuring present contracts with huge signing bonuses while rolling back those $$$$ to future Caps...
The other issue I raised is that Reggie has hired the exact type of coaches that you Scorned Al Davis for!!!
Newbies -n- Retreads!!!!
NO BIG Name Coaches!!!!
Now the other issue I raised is the loss of veteran starters and our depth and how will those starters be replaced???...Remember how you Scorned Al Davis for the loss of Gallery/Zack-n- Namndi???
Sense than we have replaced our "CB" -n- "RG" with quality help if the "CB" proves to be healthy...
None the less we have lost 10 off that list so where does it go from there as you now celebrate what you once Scorned???
The 4th issue I raised is the loss of present and future draft picks like this season's 1st and that 2013 1st-or-2nd???...
All of which you continually Scorned Mr Davis for but are now pimping your celebrations of "The New Era" while the same damn things are taking place!!!!
That's the Issue!!...Your Hypocrisy as you now Celebrate what you once Scorned because and only because it's no longer Mr Davis pulling those triggers!!!
PantyRaider....At Last You Were Right On Something!!!!/_
Broncos’ Manning hopes dimming?
12:25PM ET
Denver Broncos
Even though the Denver Broncos are believed to be a finalist in the Peyton Manning sweepstakes, they ended Friday with “diminished expectations,” according to the Denver Post’s Mike Klis.
According to Klis’ sources, Manning’s top two factors in determining where he will sign are: “One, which team gives him the best chance to win a Super Bowl or two in the next three to five years. Two, which team lives in the type of market he feels comfortable for his family.”
Manning already worked out for the San Francisco 49ers on Tuesday and is slated to workout for the Tennessee Titans next.
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Payton in "SF"???
LoL!!!
I'm laughing if that "Donkey"
gets shunned and are stuck with Tebow and NO Quinn to back him up!!!
LoL!!!...The gods have abandoned them!!!
NO damn way is that damn "Donkey" a "SB" prospect!!!
Meanwhile "KC" continues to be very active but are still lacking at the critical "QB" position...
"SD" loses and gains so stay put???
The AFCW may become a little tighter depending upon where "KC" goes from here???
And where we go from here...Certainly NOT in it on paper at the moment with such a depleted roster!!!
PantyRaider....Reggie Got's Allot Of Work Left To Do!!!!/_
Raiders | Meet with Shawntae Spencer
Sat, 17 Mar 2012 08:45:16 -0700
The Oakland Raiders met with free-agent CB Shawntae Spencer (49ers) Friday, March 16.
Raider free agent LB Trevor Scott joins Patriots
The Bolts have gone crazy in free agency. In total they have inked 12 free agents. Five of them were their own-LT Jared Gaither, S Steve Gregory, TE Kory Sperry, TE Randy McMichael, and C Nick Hardwick. Then they went out and got LB Demorrio Williams, S Atari Bigby, LB Jarret Johnson, WR Eddie Royal, FB Le'Ron McClain, and WR Robert Meachem and QB Charlie Whitehurst.
Broncos
The news this offseason has been mostly bad for the Broncos. First they found out several of their players would be suspended the first portion of next season. They have also been silent in free agency while the teams around them in the AFC West, even the Raiders, have been filling holes and making upgrade.
LoL!~!!!
Gary...
I rather have my doubts that Murphy sticks another season...His production has been vastly diminished right along with his minutes...
Contrary to what "SmackJack" tried to pimp the reality is this:
Murphy: 2011
15/241 yds 16.1 ave -w- 11 1st Dns....
Now that's certainly NOT very impressive #'s and his worst year to date....
Chaz: 2011
23/271 yds 11.8ave 2 "TD"s -w- 13 1st Dns...
The issue Gary raised was about $$$$ so anyone want to wager that Chaz as a 7th rd pick was making Murphy's $$$$$ as a 4th Rd pick????
Com'on!!!...Any Takers or just Talkers???
LoL!!!
Word is that Reggie has his eye on a few young "WR"s in the later rounds of this draft...
"LB"s are the other projected targets...
Looks like Reggie is looking at Vet help at "CB" -n- "G"....
But still we prolley need depth at "DT"/"RT"/"C"/"TE"/"RB"/"QB" depending upon who's ready to start amongst our younger players...
PantyRaider....Very Thin Current Roster!!!/_
Raiders free agent Samson Satele arrested
The Honolulu Star Advertiser is reporting that Raiders center Samson Satele has been arrested in Honolulu Hawaii on charges of disorderly conduct. Satele was picked up at the Westridge Shopping center in Aiea, Hawaii at 4 am Saturday morning.
The 27 year old center has not visited any other teams since he became a free agent five days ago. The top two zone blocking centers on the market are now off the market making Satele arguably the top zbs center left.
NOT to worry....Just another "Home Town Boy" altercation like "DeathRo" that gets pushed under the carpet!!!...Hawaii ain't going to make this an issue any more than Alabama will!!!
PR said: “I posted that Reggie is doing exactly what Al Davis has been doing as "Copologist" which you have Scorned!!!....”
That’s false. I have in the past praised Al Davis for his ability to manage the cap, and particularly his ability to get players to renegotiate contracts.
What I tend to criticize are the risks Davis regularly took in signing players, and the insanely high prices he typically paid. That’s what is being flushed out right now (‘contracts out of whack!’)
As for Reggie doing the same thing Davis did (renegotiate and back load contracts)... he had no choice. How was he supposed to get the Raiders under the cap and provide room to sign other players?
McKenzie is simply putting out the fire; and you are spitting on the fireman.
As I’ve stated over and over, your battle is completely without merit.
"NYR"..
Your a fool and full of shit!!!
"praised Al Davis" now that's the deepest fucken shit I have ever read!!!
Reggie is doing what most every other "GM" ends up having to do year in and year out which is exactly what you Pissed all over Al Davis for in the past and you damn sure know it!!!!
The "Fire" was the $20 Mil that we were over that Cap as a result of what transpired after Al NOT during Al!!!
That was Marc's 1st contribution to the issue and what Reggie was cleaning up to get under that Cap...Just because it was players signed by Al that were being cut instead of those signed after by Marc has absolutely NOTHING to do with it...
Al's team would have been in the Black had those trades and other "FA" signings never taken place...
And I have NOT bitched about those trades nor the other signings nor the relocation of funds!!!!
I am bitching at your lying ass "BS" as you praise what you once scorned!!!!
PantyRaider....Just As I Posted....Your NOT Interested In Truth!!!/_
But you won't win any of your damn dumb silly arguments either!!!
Geez NYR....why do you even bother? The guy/girl/it is batshit crazy, why are you trying to reason with it? Because it lavished you with praise for it's pathetic 'bet'? You can't soar like an eagle when you deal with turkey's. You can't reason with insane. BANG YOUR HEAD HERE.
Mr.Davis hugely overpaid mediocre players and now there is little depth because of it. Reggie is on the right path and the team will be better off for it. No longer can the cap be maxed with a shitty lineup and mediocre players being paid like elites. The process has begun...just because mental midgets can't see it, WHO CARES, let them wallow in their own stupidity. Do not feed the troll.
JONES
Calico Jack said...
Gary,
The funny thing is that Murphy is better than Chaz and the stats back it up.
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Sometimes I wonder if you even watch any of the games? Murphy stated out well but looked like a shell of a WR this past season. He's never had great hands, and to make things worse, he looked TERRIFIED to take a hit last season.
This is the guy you want to play in the slot next year? Seriously... unless McK signs a veteran WR (for much more money than Chaz) we don't have a single possession receiver on the roster right now. Ford Murphy, Moore, and DHB all play the same position. Fast dudes that run straight line routes.
How anyone can come here with a straight face pretending this was a good move is beyond me... just keep drinking the McKenzie Koolade I guess..
If anyone thinks DHB is our slot guy, go look at the GB tape where he let CWood run the slant route for him... for an interception.
It was DISGUSTING.
We have an unproven 2nd year burner, a diva 5' 9" burner, a guy terrified to take hits, and a guy still learning to catch the ball with his hands.
How do we fix this?? And at what cost?
>>>>
Seriously ... Why are you worrying (or moaning) about losing a guy who was injured most of the time and averaged less than 20 receptions per season?
>>>>
He played 14 games last season and was outstanding in the slot when given a chance.
Now we have NO slot receivers.
This isn't alarming to you?
Just because we didn't have anyone playing the slot when Chaz was injured, doesn't mean that is what we should do next year.
If we had kept Hagen, perhaps this wouldn't matter.. Hue didn't value slot receivers also... doesn't mean we should just do without now...
Blogger nyraider said...
Last year is when all the mega contracts were signed and set to explode this year.
Henderson from the vet minimum to millions
This thing was going to blow up with or without Al Davis.
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The Truth:
"06/15/2010 Signed DT John Henderson"
"On June 11, 2010, Henderson signed a one-year contract with the Oakland Raiders. On February 24, 2011, he signed a 2 year, $8 million contract with the Raiders, keeping him through the 2012 season."
2 Yrs $8 Mil for a "DT" and your bitching your damn ass off because Al Davis pulled that trigger...Than what do you have to say about this Hypocrite???
"Free-agent OG Mike Brisiel (Texans) agreed to a five-year deal worth $20 million from the Oakland Raiders Friday, March 16."
"OG" don't get paid as high as "DT"s but Reggie gave this 30 year old "G" the same damn $$$$$ as Al gave Henderson and your NOT bitching about that???
NO!!!...Your praising it which just goes to illustrate what a damn Hypocrite you really are!!!!
Now there's more!!!!
"Chris Johnson according to ESPN's Adam Schefter is due to earn a base salary of $3.5 million" but is now cut...
He was injured most of the season right???
But now what does Reggie do???
"the Oakland Raiders signed free-agent CB Ron Bartell (Rams) Friday, March 16." repotedly for $3 mil for one season!!!
He was also out on IR the entire season after breaking his freakin neck!!!
Now why the hell aren't you crying about this???
But wait!!...That's NOT all...
Half the freakin season your were crying about the Boss not being involved in the "O" while "WR"s -n- "RB"s were getting those pass opportunities instead!!!
Than Boss is released and this is posted by you:
Blogger nyraider said...
The way I read the current player losses is that they are out of cap necessity or simply the right move.
"TE" Boss - underachiever
-n-
"Just like Boss, it won't take much to replace Schilens' production"
LoL!!...Talking out of both sides of your mouth at once or what!!!
Than here it wasn't the $$$$$ that your were complaining about...It was who got the $$$$ and who walked!!!
Blogger nyraider said...
So we signed a marginal CB for $10.5M per year, and allowed the best CB in the league to walk for $12M a year?
But now your crying:
"What I tend to criticize are the risks Davis regularly took in signing players, and the insanely high prices he typically paid. That’s what is being flushed out right now (‘contracts out of whack!’)"
Bull Shit!!!...You wanted all that $$$$$ to go to Namndi as posted here:
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nyraider said...
It's one thing to approach FA cautiously, it's another to let your best player walk when his price was reasonable.
Blogger nyraider said...
Asomugha and Miller were arguably the best players on each side of the ball that the Raiders had. Losing both of them could be a real problem
Blogger nyraider said...
Raider00 -
The Raiders have not replaced outgoing talent with equal talent coming in.
And Asomugha took several years before he was a good CB. Are you prepared to wait several more years after making some improvement last year?
It's no time to take about taking one step back to take two steps forward. We have lost valuable momentum in our fight to break 500
Blogger nyraider said...
Raider00 -
However, on paper, I believe the Raiders have lost a step. We have put too many eggs into the Wimbley / Routt / loper / Eugene basket and completely abandoned our top tier players such as Nnamdi (who signed for a very reasonable price),
IMO, the heavily reliance on inexperienced players would have made sense about five years ago. But coming off our best season in 8-9 years, we risk losing what momentum we had.
LoL!!!...And how about now when we were tied for the top of the AFCW but have cut loose around 10 of our starters and may be replacing many of them with "inexperienced players"....
Where's all the Tears now???
None to be found???
NO!!!...Your celebrating what you once scorned Al Davis for!!!!
Bottom line is your a liar...It's what defines you...You may try a little to give factual info but will always revert back to what's most comfortable for you whenever you fell pushed/pressured....LIE!!!..
You just can't change that or hide from it...It defines you!!!
PantyRaider...Your Hypocrisy Runs Deep As Does Your "HateTrip"!!!
You should join this cat and make it a group outing!!!
So this is how it ends...on a Raider blog site. lol
Hello my friends. and goodbye. I have been diagnosed with a terminal disease. Today I am killing myself. I figure it’s better for family to have a quick termination as opposed to a certain longtime struggle that costs thousands of dollars. Funny thing is that I will miss the Raiders. This is the year. Yeah, you heard it here first. Since Gannon and Brown led the team to the SB I have said every offseason the this is the year. But I really believe this year. This is the year that the Raiders will shock the NFL. I am sorry that I will miss it.
Rock on Raider fans. Keep the faith.
by UglyMac on Mar 16, 2012 3:08 PM ICT
Gary,
I'm not going to get hot and bothered about Chaz leaving.
The facts are that the guy had a serious injury history and wasn't productive. He showed flashes of brilliance for a few games but then another injury would crop up. I wish him well.
The reality is that the reason Murph is still on the roster and Chaz has departed is that Chaz' contract expired. Both players can be viewed as late round, inexpensive, marginal slot WRs. Why keep both?
I have every confidence that McKenzie can find an undrafted free agent, late round pick, waiver wire vet, or 2nd tier free agent possession WR if he deems it necessary. Personally, I'm excited about our young WR corps. and believe the slot WR position is a low priority at this point in time.
Comparing the Brisiel signing to Henderson is rather silly. Brisiel (3/1983) is more than 4 years younger than Henderson (1/1979), in his prime, highly desirable for our ZBS. Henderson was a vet min. to provide a bridge for 1-2 years at best.
"but Reggie gave this 30 year old "G" the same damn $$$$$"
sorry PR, but Brisiel isn't 30 ... he just turned 29 a few days ago;
http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/10161/mike-brisiel
PantyRaider -
You are the “new” crier on this site. Trail of tears! Oh da horror!
Let me try this again (against Jones’ better judgement).
The Raiders’ payroll is the entire $120M+/-, and not just the $20M at the very top that you want to pin on McKenzie and Mark Davis.
Last year, Davis flooded his payroll with overpriced contracts. Hence, McKenzie’s description of “wacked contracts.”
Are you really this dense?
McKenzie has already renegotiated with Palmer and Curry, so their salaries are moot.
OG Mike Brisiel vs John Henderson is apples & oranges.
Brisiel is expected to replace Carlisle as a STARTER.
Henderson was a situational player. When Davis re-signed him to $4M/year he had been injured and making the vet minimum. Insane!
Now you’re bitching because we let Chris Johnson go but signed Bartell.
Do you follow the Raiders? Johnson was injured most of last year, and he stated he might not play again after the tragic shooting death of his sister.
I’m not aware of any guarantees given to Brisiel or Bartell. Their stay with the Raiders will be (A) subject to their health and (B) performance-based.
Do you have a problem with that?
PantyRaider..... Trail of tears! Oh da Horror!
..."This isn't alarming to you?"...
No, not when you can see a clear process of cleaning up shop...I see a team heading in the right direction, as opposed to a team trying to fit a triangle into a pin hole = last 9 years and before. Hello, the process takes time, it was a hell of a mess. Do you honestly think it could be re-org'd after a month or 2? I know you and jethro like to play the 'devil's advocate' for your kicks...if you are really whining already, you got problems. Could you wait until they even have a practise before you say da skie iz falin? Or do you just like playing a kid's game? Get some sincerity, the monkey and organ thing gets old...when can we get some fresh blood on here?
JONES
Satele got arrested in HI
Disorderly conduct
Happy St Pats Samson!
It is what it is -n- you are who you are...NO changing that!!!
Funny...What was done last season was scorned while the exact same thing done this season is awarded excuse after excuse....
The inconsistencies abound!!!
John Henderson:
NFL Draft: 2002 / Round: 1 / Pick: 9
2× Pro Bowl (2004, 2006)
All-Pro (2006)
Games played 146
Games started 125
Tackles 493
Passes defended 44
Quarterback sacks 29.0
Forced fumbles 8
Mike Brisiel "RG"
Undrafted in 2006
Debuted in 2007 for the Hamburg Sea Devil (NFL Europe)
Yup!!!...Your right...NO Comparison at all!!!
LoL!!!...These idiots!!!
No, not when you can see a clear process of cleaning up shop...I see a team heading in the right direction, as opposed to a team trying to fit a triangle into a pin hole = last 9 years and before. Hello, the process takes time, it was a hell of a mess. Do you honestly think it could be re-org'd after a month or 2?
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Explain to me how spending 500k on a possession receiver when there isn't one under contract would set us back.
Perhaps we can go from there... this was a BLUNDER. Stop pretending otherwise because Al is 6 feet under.
.. and I am not insinuating that St. McK is not going to build a great franchise someday. All I am pointing out is that this was a BLUNDER.
Rookie's make mistakes. You better get used to it Bubba.
..."Explain to me how spending 500k on a possession receiver when there isn't one under contract would set us back."....
Explain to me why anyone should even give a shit? 500 k and a WR who has been a non issue and you cry over it like Pearl Harbor? O da horor, the Super Bowl is lost cause a 500K Wr was cut... O da skie iz falin. Nice try with the "Al is 6 feet under" card...grow the F up.
JONES
NFL Draft: 2002 / Round: 1 / Pick: 9
2× Pro Bowl (2004, 2006)
All-Pro (2006)
Games played 146
Games started 125
Tackles 493
Passes defended 44
Quarterback sacks 29.0
Forced fumbles 8
Mike Brisiel "RG"
Undrafted in 2006
Debuted in 2007 for the Hamburg Sea Devil (NFL Europe)
What, are you serious?
Henderson was at the tail end of his career when we signed him, hence the original minimum vet contract. He was at best a part-time, situational player.
Yes, he was a pro-bowl player a lifetime ago. The stats are nice but they are what he accomplished in his 9 previous years before joining the Raiders.
Brisiel is a proven OG, but most importantly, a starter from day 1 and in the prime of his career. He is the perfect fit for our team and scheme.
If you are so dim to compare Henderson and Brisiel, I can't help you.
Lastly, the fuss about losing Chaz is comical. The guy was a china doll who averaged 18 receptions per season. How on earth are we going to replace this robust production? The sky is falling ... better duck.
Crying, moaning, worrying about losing Chaz seems insincere in the context of the big picture and bigger challenges that the Raiders organization faces. No question McKenzie has his work cut out for him but replacing Chaz isn't one of them.
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Former Texans tight end Joel Dreessen could also be in for a visit with Raiders soon. He visited with Saints today and his agent told Fox 26 in Houston that the Raiders and Bengals are also interested. Oakland cut starter Kevin Boss and currently has Brandon Myers, David Ausberry and Richard Gordon at tight end
Tracy Porter in for a visit!
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/18/raiders-bringing-in-free-agent-corner-tracy-porter-for-a-visit/
"Brisiel is a proven OG, but most importantly, a starter from day 1 and in the prime of his career."
What an IDIOT!!!
He didn't even play his 1st 3 seasons and as of now has 3 seasons on the field...3 seasons out of 6 but he's a starter from day one???
Damn your dumb!!!
"3 seasons out of 6 but he's a starter from day one???"
Unless a player has stats, he sucks. Right?
So Brisiel has no stats; McKenzie and Allen both suck; and Mark Davis put the team in cap hell....
Oh Da Horror!
Here's what it boils down to:
Either we believe PantyRaider who says Al Davis left the team in perfect order, and the wheels have fallen off since;
or,
Mark Davis, who said "...instead of a clean start with the organization, there's been a lot of plugging holes."
Go ahead Negative Nancy and try to dispute any of these points;
Brisiel is a proven OG (show me where he hasn't been a starting OG in the NFL the past few years for one of the best offenses in the NFL)
A Starter from Day 1 (tell me he hasn't been signed to be our starting RG replacing Carlisle)
In his prime of his career (just turned 29 and has plenty of good years AHEAD of him)
The perfect fit for our team and ZBS (tailor-made to replace Carlisle and a plug and play for our scheme)
"NYR"
Is this weak ass crap really all you got???
"Unless a player has stats, he sucks. Right?"
LoL!!!...No doubt you looed it up right...NOTHING!!!!...Ha! ha!....Well let me help you out:
Mike Brisiel Signed "FA" $20 Mil 5 Years!!!
Height: 6 ft 5 in Weight: 300 lb
Undrafted in 2006
Debuted in 2007 for the Hamburg Sea Devil (NFL Europe)
Games played 50
Games started 47
2011 13 gms 13 starts
2010 12 gms 9 starts
2009 5 gms 5 starts
Do you get a very clear picture yet???...Are you calling this a "Big Name Signing"???...Please!!!
This is the guy who's poised to replace him on Houston's "OL":
Antoine Caldwell
Height: 6-3 Weight: 311 Age: 25
2011 5 gms 3 starts Weeks 15/16/17
2010 12 gms 7 starts
2009 11 gms 3 starts
Do you still need a hint???
There are only 2 reasons why that "RG" was willing to leave a "SB" contender like Houston..
#1....He was about to lose his starting job as evidenced above...
#2....$$$$$...NO way in hell was he going to get that type of $$$$ out of Houston as evidenced below:
The Houston Texans have re-signed free agent center Chris Myers,
The Texans' four-year deal with Myers is worth $25 million, $14 million of which is guaranteed,
The 6-foot-4, 289-pound Myers made his first Pro Bowl last season after anchoring one of the NFL's top offensive lines. Houston set a franchise record for yards rushing (2,448) and ranked second in rushing offense (153 yards per game) in 2011, a key to its first playoff appearance.
Very similar $$$$ Right...$20 Mil or $25 Mil but that was for the man with the stats!!!
So now who did Reggie replace with this superlative "FA" signing???
Cooper Carlisle: "Carlisle's release frees up an additional $3 million"
Height: 6 ft 5 in Weight: 295 lb
NFL Draft: 2000 / Round: 4 / Pick: 113
Bowl Alliance National Championship (1996)
SEC Championship (1996)
First-team All-SEC (1999)
Games played 174
Games started 117
Fumble recoveries 11
Whoops!!...That man has stats and only got paid $3 Mil!!!...Oh!! No!!!...Could it be argued that Reggie threw way too much $$$$ at that NO Name "RG"????
NO other way was he going to leave a "SB" contender like Houston...Period!!!
LoL!!!
PantyRaider....It Was A Good Acquisition Of A Player Of Need Who Fits A Particular Blocking Scheme....NOTHING More!!!!
Oh!! "StupidJack" You really put you foot in it this time!!!
"Brisiel is a proven OG"
"By all accounts, Briesel and Bartell were excellent signings."
Was this a "Big Name Signing"????
LoL!!!
Well none the less apparently you missed this:
Blogger Calico Jack said...
Negative Nancy,
All you need to do is name 2 Big Name free agent signings that were legit starters. That isn't so hard
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Here it is again B itch so read -n- weep!!!
"FA" Starters:
Kevin Boss**** 11 Starts
NFL Draft: 2007 / Round: 5 / Pick: 153
Super Bowl XLII champion
Receptions 147
Receiving yards 1,968
Receiving TDs 21
Lito Sheppard**** 7 Starts
08/26/2011 Signed CB Lito Sheppard
NFL Draft: 2002 / Round: 1 / Pick: 26
2× Pro Bowl (2004, 2006)
Tackles 345
Passes defended 70
Interceptions 19
INT return yards 460
INT return TDs 3
"Trade" Starters:
Aaron Curry**** 11 Starts
NFL Draft: 2009 / Round: 1 / Pick: 4
Tackles 202
Sacks 5.5
Forced fumbles 4
Touchdowns 1
Carson Palmer**** 9 Starts -n specifically named in my challenge!!!
Heisman Trophy (2002)
NFL Draft: 2003 / Round: 1 / Pick: 1
2× Pro Bowl (2005, 2006)
Pro Bowl MVP (2006)
NFL Alumni Ouarterback of the Year (2005)
FedEx Air Player of the Year (2005)
AFC Player of the Year (2005)
TD-INT 167-116
Passing yards 25,447
QB Rating 86.3
Supplemental Draft Pick:
Terrelle Pryor**** -n- Specifically named in my challenge!!!
sophomore year Pryor led the Buckeyes to another Big Ten Championship.
2010 Rose Bowl MVP trophy after leading Ohio State to a 26-17 victory over Oregon.
2007 Hall Trophy (U.S. Army Player of the Year)[25]
2007 PARADE National Player of the Year and All-American[26]
2008 Pete Dawkins Trophy (U.S. Army All-American Bowl MVP)
2008 U.S. Army All-American MVP
2008 Big Ten Freshman of the Year (coaches)[27]
2008 All-Big Ten Honorable Mention (media)[27]
2009 Tostitos Fiesta Bowl Sportsmanship Award
2009 Big Ten Preseason Player of the Year
2009 All-Big Ten Honorable Mention (media)
2010 Rose Bowl MVP
2010 All-Big Ten Honorable Mention (coaches and media)
2010 Big Ten MVP runner-up
2011 Miller-Digby Award
Supplemental Draft: 2011 / Round: 3
Now it's very damn obvious that your FUCKED but you already knew that!!!!
And this NEVER specified "STARTERS"!!!
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Blogger PantyRaider said...
"CJ"...
Doubt your man enough to "Put Up Or Shut Up" but I will wager that Mr Davis makes a splash in "FA" this season....
Clarification:
At least one big name player if not 2....
Projected Possibilities:
"QB"s...Vince Young/Carson Palmer
"WR"s...Vincent Jackson/Plaxaco Burris
"OT"....________________________
"OLB"...________________________
"Sup-Draft"...Slash Pryor
PantyRaider...Now Put Up Or Shut The Fuck Up!!!/_
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Blogger Calico Jack said...
PR - I'm in. I will stop visiting this site for 1 complete year
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Blogger Calico Jack said...
PR,
I stand 1000000% behind all of my words
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So now it's down to your own stupid damn silly games!!!
Ready for this: The Factual Reality!!!
07/30/2011 Signed free agent QB Trent Edwards
NFL Draft: 2007 / Round: 3 / Pick: 92
Stanford Cardinal Team MVP (2005)
NFL All-Rookie Team (2007)
San Jose Mercury News South Bay Sports POY (2007)
TD-INT 26-30
Passing yards 6,019
QB Rating 75.4
08/02/2011 Signed offensive linemen Justin Smiley
NFL Draft: 2004 / Round: 2 / Pick: 46
Games played 88
Games started 78
11/01/2011 Signed WR T.J. Houshmandzadeh
NFL Draft: 2001 / Round: 7 / Pick: 204
1× Pro Bowl selection (2007)
1× All-Pro selection (2007)
NFL reception leader in 2007 (tied) with Patriots WR Wes Welker with (112).
Bengals franchise records
Most punt return yards in a game (126)
Most receptions in a season (112) in 2007.
Receptions 627
Receiving Yards 7,237
Receiving TDs 44
That just beat the hell out of the "1 if not 2 Big Name Players" that was mentioned in that challenge/wager which you clearly lost!!!...These players were SIGNED and I don't give a rats ass what happened after that...It was all about the "Acquisitions" NOT about being starters!!!
PantyRaider...Now Shove That Up Sideways!!!!/_
Negative Nancy,
Never said Brisiel was a "Big Name" free agent signing. I said "Brisiel is a proven OG" (which he is) and
"By all accounts, Briesel and Bartell were excellent signings." (filled immediate holes in our rosters).
BTW, as the starting RG on Houston's OLine, Brisiel also deserves credit for "Houston set a franchise record for yards rushing (2,448) and ranked second in rushing offense (153 yards per game) in 2011, a key to its first playoff appearance."
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Free agent Jo-Lonn Dunbar played strong-side and middle linebacker for the Saints, just turned 27 and the Raiders could use what some scouts say is his nose for the ball. The 6-foot, 226-pound Dunbar had a career-high 79 tackles last year and told the New Orleans Times-Picayune that he has a few teams interested and may take his first visit next week
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Speaking of Scouts Inc., here’s what they say about new #Raiders cornerback Ron Bartell: “Bartell is a good-sized corner with good overall deep speed. He has long arms that he uses to jam receivers … He is not as physical a tackler as you’d expect for a cornerback with his size and strength but is willing to get involved on run support. He is a little erect in his pedal but is fluid in his hip turn … He has the speed to catch up when he bites on fakes but lacks great ball skills.”
Here's an interesting list of available Offensive "FA"s...
OT Sean Locklear (WAS) - Has a great deal of experience at right tackle in the NFL although for two of the last three seasons, he spent some time at left tackle as an injury replacement.
OT Anthony Collins (CIN)- He would be a steal for any team who signs him this offseason. He is young and has proven he is ready to take over as a starter. He would have had more starts but the Bengals refused to give up on Andre Smith and Dennis Roland. Even though the team had far more success with Collins.
OT Vernon Carey (MIA) - Struggled with the switch to guard last season but in prior seasons he proved to be a solid right tackle for the Dolphins.
OT James Lee (TB) - After nine starts in 2010, he was a strong contender to start at right tackle last season until the team brought back Jeremy Trueblood. He would provide the same solid competition at the right tackle position for the Raiders.
OT Brandon Keith (ARZ) - The team's 2009 seventh round pick has started 20 games the past two seasons. Unfortunately, he has been placed on injured reserve in both those seasons as well. This injury history has the Cardinals balking on re-signing him. But there is no question he is talented and would be worth a look.
C Samson Satele (OAK) - Satele is the best option left in free agency for the Raiders. He has played well at center for the Raiders all while playing through nagging injuries. He is a tough, hard-nosed competitor who has worked hard to bring his game to another level. The Raiders line was solid last year with him manning the center position and it would be again if he were to return. His recent arrest for disorderly conduct does nothing to change that.
QB David Garrard (FA)- The former starter for the Jaguars spent all of last season rehabbing from back surgery. The Raiders made him their first phone call when Jason Campbell went down last season. It was the news of the surgery that forced them to look elsewhere. He is currently making the rounds of visits. First in Miami and next he heads to St Louis.
*QB Matt Leinart (HOU)- Leinart wasn't a free agent when I put together the first QB wish list. He has since been released by the Texans. He worked directly with Raiders offensive coordinator Greg Knapp while Knapp was the quarterbacks coach in Houston last season. So that familiarity could have the Raiders giving him a call.
RB Brandon Jacobs (NYG)- He and whomever the change-up backs were in the Giants backfield have been who Bush and McFadden have been compared with for years. He wouldn't be a long term solution because he is a power back who will be 30 before the season starts. The good news is that will lower his price tag. Also, with a reduced role, the Raiders could get a couple seasons out of him.
RB Mike Tolbert (SD) - Tolbert offers the most similar skill set to Bush out there. He is a great utility back who would perform the duties of complementary back to Dmac the same as Bush did. There is of course the added bonus of getting a player off of a rival. The bad news here may be that Tolbert thinks he should be a starter. Oh, boy.
RB BenJarvus Green-Ellis (NE) - The "other" law firm is not one who will wow you with his speed or agility. But he is a great short yardage back who has enough speed and quickness to be a feature back if called upon. He is also extremely reliable, having never fumbled in his NFL career.
RB Jackie Battle (KC)- After four seasons of obscurity in Kansas City, he really came on last season rushing for 597 yards in just 4 starts. Two of his better rushing performances on the season came against the Raiders. He is also a big back at 6-2, 238 pounds and the Raiders would be glad to have him. And like Tolbert, he would be a player taken from a rival.
RB Ronnie Brown (PHI)-He fell off the radar last season with the Dream Team Philadelphia Eagles. But what is forgotten is not necessarily lost. He played a pivotal role in the Dolphins wildcat formation for a few years. That style of running would translate well to the zone blocking scheme.
RB Cadillac Williams (STL)- He was Ronnie Brown's college backfield mate so he too is used to being a complementary back. He exploded onto the scene as a rookie in Tampa Bay and had a few good years there, albeit riddled with injuries. He signed with the Rams as a free agent prior to last season and rushed for 361 yards as backup to Stephen Jackson. And as bad as that offensive line was, his 4.1 yards per carry is actually pretty impressive.
TE John Carlson (SEA) - He started out his NFL career with two great seasons for the Seahawks. But after his production declined in 2010, the Seahawks signed Zach Miller. Then Carlson tore his labrum and was out the entire 2011 season.
TE Visanthe Shiancoe (MIN)- This is a guy that Reggie McKenzie is familiar with as his Packers had to face him and the Vikings twice a season. And since Shiancoe had 5 good seasons in Minnesota, that is a good deal of familiarity. The nine year vet has at least one more multi-year contract left in his career.
TE Bo Scaife (CIN)- Just three seasons ago, he was the Titans franchise player. He became a free agent after the 2010 season and signed with the Bengals. He was out all of the 2011 season with a shoulder injury but if he checks out, he could be had at a bargain basement price.
Now address the rest of it "SlipperyJack"!!!
The "FA"s -n- Trades -n- "Sup-Pick" are all listed and more than necessary to kick your shimmy ass off this board!!!
Get a grip on reality and do what you don't have in you....
Show some gaholies and "Man The Fuck Up"!!!!
PR: What can I say? Your statistical reasoning is staggering (or it makes no sense at all).
So now we can add Mike Brisiel to your list of busts that Reggie McKenzie is responsible for (a list that is sure to grow with every FA signing).
As I stated before, I am not aware that either Brisiel or Bartell received any guarantees. They will have to be healthy and perform in order to stay Raiders.
Here's a newsflash for you... if you're only going to be satisfied with expensive, high-profile, stat-line players, this is going to be a very long offseason for you.
Crying, moaning, worrying about losing Chaz seems insincere in the context of the big picture and bigger challenges that the Raiders organization faces. No question McKenzie has his work cut out for him but replacing Chaz isn't one of them.
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I am not convinced you even know what a slot receiver is... so I am just dropping this until we pick one up. Or maybe McK doesn't know either? Who knows? This is his first rodeo...
Here's a newsflash for you... if you're only going to be satisfied with expensive, high-profile, stat-line players, this is going to be a very long offseason for you.
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Seems like we have people trying to deal from both sides of the deck again... at least nothing changes around here. I am simply pointing out that Chaz was a CHEAP signing of NEED (without the stats) and I get bitched at for being pissed we lost him.
Then the point is we are staying away from expensive players with stats... just deal with it!
So which is it??
Gary - I sort of agree that Schilens would have been a good risk for the price, but it's not worth throwing in the towel.
If memory serves me, the Raiders have plenty of options. If JLHiggins can play slot, so can the entire Raiders WR roster.
The problem, as I see it, folks have their sights set way too low.
You're a stats guy, like PR; 18-20 catches in a season is not productive on any team except the Raiders.
Tebow!
Peyton is a Bronco
Topher
You're a stats guy, like PR; 18-20 catches in a season is not productive on any team except the Raiders.
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Thats why I posted his target % (which I took the time to figure out on my own, btw) which was the highest on the team.
Nobody has ever said he didn't have great hands or size.
I'm guessing either McK dropped the ball on this, or CP wanted him off roster because he didn't come up with that 3rd down pass.
And nowhere have I thrown in the towel.. I welcome a more methodical approach to an organization. It doesn't mean I can't whine about obvious fuck ups.
OakTown Blues said...
Tebow!
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Lol... I hope you are just stirring up trouble.
We already have a RB that can't throw on roster as backup QB.
"And nowhere have I thrown in the towel.. I welcome a more methodical approach to an organization. It doesn't mean I can't whine about obvious fuck ups."
OK. That's your right. I would expect the same for myself, or anyone else with a reasonably grounded perspective.
Personally, I wanted Al Davis to release Schilens for several years and replace him with a dependable (not a diva) veteran. That never happened and Schilens spent the next couple years mostly on the bench nursing injuries. Now he is reportedly healthy and the Raiders dump him for what seems like a very fair price/risk. I get your point... I just think you're overreacting.
Looks like Peyton's going to the Donks. Originally, I was hoping for anywhere but! He's going to light it up in 4th qtrs at home when the DB's are sucking mile-high air.
That said, I welcome him, and hope to see him injured early when we play them. No bounties here, but the quarterback must go down, and... well, you guys know the rest.
-moshbucket
Payton Manning is a year , or two deal for any team.
After two years, the window closes, and that is just about the time the Raiders will be real contenders.
And remember, as great as Manning was, he has only one SB ring.
So just because Donks have Manning, doesn't mean they are winning anything.
Raiders re-sign Cooper Carlisle another good fit for the ZBS. I read this as Wiz moving to center. An interior line of Brisiel (Texans), Wiz, and Carlisle should be solid.
Raiders sign CB Spencer (49ers). Solid, proven CB to go with Bartell (Rams).
Reggie is checking off his "to do list" very nicely!
For the crier!
From PFT:
"We’re told that Carlisle signed a one-year deal, likely for the one-year 10-season-plus veteran minimum of $925,000, with a cap number of $540,000."
Can the crying stop now?
McKenzie just shaved over $2M off the cap and retained the player.
NYR,
Don't forget the savings of dumping Routt and C.Johnson in exchange for Bartell and Spencer. Upgrade + Savings = Go Reggie, Go!
I agree with the point that Gary is making regarding Chaz. I believe it was a low risk/cost signing and though Huebert undervalued the slot receiver, as of the current status, it looks like a miss. All that being said, Jones makes the point that we need new blood on here. Speaking solely for myself, part of the reason I avoid these conversations is that we continue to hit the rewind button.
So, with the impending signing of Peyton in Denver, and Raiders00 point that he has a two year window, i offer this take to maybe pull back to where the thread of RT started us off in his post some 180 responses ago. Hopefully it will spur a different dialogue.
Given that we are obviously rebuilding and have a new (or differrent if that suits you) organizational structure in place, what is the window of time that you are willing to allow for the new head coach and gm to have before we truly have a large enough sample size of decisions as a basis to question their approach? Does Peyton's presence in Denver impact that time frame? How are you defining success in the short and long term?
For me, I am defining success as the acquisition of depth in positions through the draft and free agency. This is short term (the next 14 months). Additionally, finding playmakers in the draft and free agency while developing talent that fit the system that is being utilized (2 to 3 years). Based on that definition of success, I would expect marked improvement in defense and a efficient offense over that 2-3 year time frame. The result of this would be by the 2014 season, we would be contending for the division and be a legitimate playoff contender. The baseline of that measurement began in 2012.
So that's my take and here is what I see as a new variable impacting us; Peyton. Does Mr. Manning's presence in the division retard that time frame or is it irrelevant? How much time are you willing to give to see this system and new organizational structure play out? Granting that we have all given the Buddhists a new appreciation for the word suffering over the last decade (and longer) how long are we really going to give this new approach?
Blue Monday
Gary, nope... he's the ultimate slash/backup. But no starter. Would be too expensive. Plus, stirring trouble up here is VERY easy! No challenge for me. Funny!
I welcome Manning, he will bring excitement to the division. Palmer, Rivers, Manning, that's a loaded division, IMO..... Blue Monday...bring it on Bro. Thank you for your level headed post, we need more of that here.....As far as what we need to see from the Raider Org is PROGRESS!!!! If the team is progressing, that is all I ask for as a fan. If the F.O. is messing around with no direction and not prgressing, then it will hear from the fans. If they are doing everything in their power to make a better product for the fans, I'm with them 100%. So far, this is what I am seeing from Mark/Reggie etc. They have a mess to clean up and they are going at it like champs...I'M IN.
JONES
...."Raiders re-sign Cooper Carlisle another good fit for the ZBS. I read this as Wiz moving to center. An interior line of Brisiel (Texans), Wiz, and Carlisle should be solid."...
Throw in the stud at LT...just need that RT now....BUT, how can the Offense be any good without Chaz in the Slot? No SB without Chaz = bummer.
JONES
..."So which is it??"...
Just watch gary, it's not up to us...Reggie is running the show, obviously he has someone better in mind to take Chaz's spot. Because a fringe player is tossed...who cares? A fringe player who can be easily replaced and 'da horor' continues? Complaining about Chaz when the team is moving ahead is like crying about a 'Cheezpuff' that fell out of the bag of hundreds of cheezpuffs. Don't worry, there are hundreds more just like him. If all you have to complain about is a Chaz getting tossed..isn't that a good sign?
JONES
Blue Monday...
"what is the window of time that you are willing to allow for the new head coach and gm to have before we truly have a large enough sample size of decisions as a basis to question their approach? Does Peyton's presence in Denver impact that time frame? How are you defining success in the short and long term?"
#1...Success for the Raiders is always at least 10-n-6 as AFCW Champs and always has been...Anything less that that's a "Bust"!!!
We fought all the way to the "SB" and won as a "WildCard" which was great so making the "PO"s accounts for something but I always expect to take the West!!
Short term is very difficult to assess at the moment...Are we going to be at least as good as last season or slightly better...Or do we fall off the edge???...The most recent moves suggest we will be as good???
#2...Window Size"??
That will be answered on the turf in the 1st half of the season regarding the new coaching staff...If we come out the gate stumbling it will be very difficult to make up ground and yes Payton as a "Donkey" does affect that...No doubt allot!!...But also all the moves that have been made by "KC" -n- "SD"...This just became a much tougher division...
"GM"...
Reggie was my boy and still is...I still questioned where all those early moves were leading us but now also applaud him for making moves that greatly diminish the impact of those earlier moves...
Bringing back Cooper Cheap as "RG" now with suitable depth with good starting experience and versatility was a good one even if the new "G" was a little expensive!!!
The new "CB"s are definately a huge plus when just a few days ago we were being stripped of talent at that position...
Than This:
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New update: Oakland is now the front runner in the Tracy Porter sweepstakes
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But Reggie still has several moves left to make before a final picture is presented...That will be at training camp when he has provided all the toys for the new coaching staff to put into motion...
Judgement upon his hire of "Denis The Menace" will be on going throughout the season...
PantyRaider...10 Steps Back -n- 3 Steps Forward!!!!/_
New "CB" Reports:
Both corners are also 30 years old and have had recent injuries. Bartell had a neck injury that had him out all of the 2011 season and Spencer went out in training camp last season with a hamstring injury.
He has had a total of 72 starts in his NFL career including every game in the 2009 and 2010 seasons.
with both deals being one-year, the team could still look for a long term solution. They will reportedly be hosting Saints free agent Tracy Porter in the coming days. Porter is younger (26) and be much more of a long term solution. And the team will need as much cornerback help as they can get with the news that Peyton Manning is joining the Broncos.
Thanks Blue Monday for raising the bar in the football related discussion.
I personally don't think the Broncos signing Manning will change the course that McKenzie/Allen/M. Davis are undertaking.
In the short term, year 1, I expect to see our roster retooled, our payroll stabilized, our football systems (especially on defense) modernized, and for a new organizational identity to be established.
I also think the Raiders will win the AFC West with a prolific offense and much improved defense.
The big uptick, in my mind, will be in year 2 when McKenzie has close to a full array of draft picks to bolster our talent level and depth, a more manageable salary cap level, and a solid year under his belt to make the necessary adjustments.
Year 3 should be when complete stability is established and the team is legitimately contending for the Super Bowl.
Complaining about Chaz when the team is moving ahead is like crying about a 'Cheezpuff' that fell out of the bag of hundreds of cheezpuffs.
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Ok, I am trying to be nice to you... but cheap 6' 4" possession receivers are not that easy to find.
You are just being ridiculous.
I'm guessing we bring in a veteran slot player for a LOT more money, or we try and draft one and roll the dice.
I'm guessing we bring in a veteran slot player for a LOT more money, or we try and draft one and roll the dice.
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Or worst case scenario we rely on DHB and Murphy in the slot.
I still don't trust either of their hands, and neither of them have a clue about protecting the football, or gawd forbid playing DEFENSE on a poorly thrown ball.
We need a veteran possession receiver.
Almost above LB right now... and we have horrible LB's yet...
OakTown Blues said...
Gary, nope... he's the ultimate slash/backup.
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There isn't a player in the NFL we need less than Tebow.
Distractions for CP, a mirror player to TP... the media circus. Distractions to the young coaching staff.
I'd rather we brought in JaMarcus as backup QB... and he's prolly the SECOND player we need less on contract.
Raiders sign CB Spencer (49ers). Solid, proven CB to go with Bartell (Rams).
Reggie is checking off his "to do list" very nicely!
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No "proven" is Porter.
These guys are more like camp fodder or depth to push our rookies.
We still need starting CB, LB, and WR. Backup FS.
I agree the Cooper resigning was well done.
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49ers insider thinks Raiders got a steal in cornerback Shawntae Spencer. He lost starting job due to hamstring injury in camp last year and will come in with huge chip on his shoulder. Harbaugh didn’t like that he doesn’t play special teams, and that’s why he was inactive for games at end of the season.
UPDATE: A source close to the situation said that, while plans can change, there is a strong chance Carlisle will move to left guard and enable Wisniewski to move to center. I think that would be a smart move. Carlisle is a solid pro and Wisniewski may be better suited at center. In Brisiel, Carlisle and WIsniewski, the Raiders would have a strong interior line.
Nothing is official, but it seems like that may be way the Raiders are leaning.
Well I still think Satele at vet minimum may be a possibility as Wis II remains at "LG"???..Than we have 3 bodies who can play "G"/"C"...
Wiz II/Brisiel/Satele "C"/"G" -w- Cooper "RG" presents very good interior depth and versatility...
The "RT" is yet unsettled???
It also should be understood that NON of these moves are Guaranteed!!!...That is to say any of these players could fail to make the final roster while others are kept instead...This is Reggie adding the "Toy"s and waiting to see how all the pieces fit...
Without Guaranteed $$$$'s their contracts can be voided without any significant loss of Cap space!!!...
Also it should be noted that Reggie can and prolley will push the Raider,s $$$$$ commitment over the allowable Cap and have to be back under it by some date in Sept!!!...That's allowable so don't expect those available $$$$$ to completely restrict what Reggie is able to pull off!!!
PantyRaider....We Have A "Capologist"!!!!/_
NO "Armless Running ASS" Allowed In OakTown!!!
http://www.jonco48.com/blog/Half_20Horse_20Running_20_28animated_29.gif
But this Tebow riding that "Donkey" is funny!!!
The Broncos are expected to be agreeable toward what teams are willing to give in any potential Tebow trade, according to NFL Network's Michael Lombardi. Denver used a first-round pick (25th overall) to take Tebow in the 2010 NFL Draft.
The Jacksonville Jaguars have been mentioned as a possible landing spot for Tebow, who rose to fame at the University of Florida, where he won the Heisman Trophy and two BCS national championships. Jaguars owner Shad Khan has mentioned that he would have been interested in Tebow had he been in charge of the team when the quarterback entered the league.
LoL!~!!!...I fucken hope Tebow is traded and becomes a force to deal with as he finally develops an arm while Payton goes down in flames to the "IR"!!!
Seeing Elway ridding that "Donkey" into the turf would be hilarious!!!!
HEE!! Hah!!!
Go Tebow Go...Just get the fuck OUT of the AFCW!!!
PantyRaider....The Gods Were Crazy!!!/_
More of this freakin Tebow humor!!!
The AFC exec raised the possibility of using Tebow as a "package" quarterback or a "joker" type of weapon in an offense.
But the NFC exec warns that, "He's not fast enough to be an H-back/receiver-type guy. And as a fullback, he'd blow himself up. He's not a running back. He's not talented enough. As a quarterback, he's OK as a runner. But as a running back? No."
The fundamental problem is that whichever team takes on Tebow will have to overhaul its offense -- just like what Denver offensive coordinator Mike McCoy did in 2011 -- if the plan is indeed to start him.
"You gotta remove pride, remove your ego, and understand this player has a very specific skill set that's outside the box, and outside conventional NFL wisdom at the quarterback position," said an AFC personnel executive. "The more you watch of what Denver did, when you look at the Florida tape, you see how they achieved what they did, in implementing those things."
But the AFC exec continued, "If you're a conventional, dropback team, and you're gonna ask him to hit moving targets and get the ball downfield and ask him to be a pocket-passing player, it's not a good fit. I applaud what Mike McCoy did. He adjusted to the player. That's what you have to do."
And if you do that on a full-time basis, rather than as a part-time fix, it can be complicated.
And it might come from the direction of an owner, seeing the star power and business opportunities Tebow would present.
"That's the wrong way to approach it," said the NFC exec. "It's about winning games. If you're gonna approach it by looking at ticket sales, then you're not a good owner."
LoL!!!...Just No Place In The NFL For That "Armless Running ASS"!!!
Our New "RG":
Brisiel was originally signed by the Texans as an undrafted free agent in 2006. He played two preseason games with the Texans as a rookie and spent the regular season on the practice squad. Prior to the 2007 NFL season, Brisiel played as center with the NFL Europe team Hamburg Sea Devils.
Bartell is the No. 32 overall player on the PFT Hot 100 list. Brisiel didn’t make the top 100 because he’s a one-scheme lineman, but the Raiders run that scheme.
LoL!!...Talk about a player who has little to nothing written about him yet was awarded a $20 Mil contracts???
He missed 18 games over the past 3 seasons but I can't even find out what the problem was...Injury or he just sucked???
He missed the last 3 games of 2011 but played both "PO" games...
“It’s sad,” Brisiel said. “It’s one of those things that I thank them for everything, giving me the opportunity, sticking with me through some rough times. I couldn’t be more happy about the way (last) season happened and I’ll always be one of those Texans’ diehards at heart.”
Ah!!...What "rough times" was that???
He’ll be replaced by Antoine Caldwell, who started when Brisiel was injured. They expected to lose Brisiel because they had Caldwell.
LoL!!!...So he was injured...But What???...As I posted there's only 2 reasons he left a "SB" contender for OakTown....About to be replaced and $$$$$$'s!!!
So Ya!!!...I have to question was this player really worth the $20 Mil???...Ain't that a little "Out of Wack"???
PantyRaider....LoL!!!!/_
Ron Bartell
8th year in NFL - 66 starts
Shawntae Spencer
9 year in NFL - 77 starts
YES Gary, Bartell and Spencer are proven, experienced starting CBs.
It looks like Reggie identified these 2 CBs due to low risk/low cost and big upside primarily due to unique circumstances for both players (injuries).
Bartell, Spencer, DVD, Chekwa, and Huff as an additional nickel back. Let's roll.
And Ah!!...For the record NON of these new additions are about Reggie being able to recognize talent...
They are all player pets that the new coaching staff wanted after coaching them on other teams...
LoL!!!
Ron Bartell
8th year in NFL - 66 starts
Started 59% of games???
Shawntae Spencer
9 year in NFL - 77 starts
Started 60% of games??
Such high profile players!!!...How does Reggie do it??
LoL!!!
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