Time to Tent The House
There seems to be a lot of flip-flopping around these parts.
Those who once defended mediocrity are now decrying it. And those who once decried it are now defending it.
I've always said it starts at the top. It still does.
Mark Davis, Reggie McKenzie and Dennis Allen own the performance of this team. 3-9 is their record to date. Period. Mark Davis told Allen, "It's not good enough." That's on Allen...and ultimately Mark Davis.
At the same time, this year's failures don't make the previous 10 years a sudden act of genius. A decade-long quest to achieve a .500 record, only to end 1-4 with the playoffs on the line, is not suddenly defensible just because the next regime isn't firing on all cylinders.
It's not always an "either-or" equation. Sometimes it's an "and-and" equation.
At this point, I think we can say that Mark Davis, Reggie McKenzie and Dennis Allen haven't exactly distinguished themselves as the Turnaround Experts.
We can also say that the previous regime gifted them a horrific roster, a toxic culture and a pair of handcuffs (in both the draft and free agency).
So that's where we stand right now.
We know the roster really sucks thanks to the previous regime, and the jury's still out on the new one.
The new regime is tasked with building a winner. We need to give them a more time to tent the house for termites before we come to firm conclusions about their ability to get the job done.
Those who once defended mediocrity are now decrying it. And those who once decried it are now defending it.
I've always said it starts at the top. It still does.
Mark Davis, Reggie McKenzie and Dennis Allen own the performance of this team. 3-9 is their record to date. Period. Mark Davis told Allen, "It's not good enough." That's on Allen...and ultimately Mark Davis.
At the same time, this year's failures don't make the previous 10 years a sudden act of genius. A decade-long quest to achieve a .500 record, only to end 1-4 with the playoffs on the line, is not suddenly defensible just because the next regime isn't firing on all cylinders.
It's not always an "either-or" equation. Sometimes it's an "and-and" equation.
At this point, I think we can say that Mark Davis, Reggie McKenzie and Dennis Allen haven't exactly distinguished themselves as the Turnaround Experts.
We can also say that the previous regime gifted them a horrific roster, a toxic culture and a pair of handcuffs (in both the draft and free agency).
So that's where we stand right now.
We know the roster really sucks thanks to the previous regime, and the jury's still out on the new one.
The new regime is tasked with building a winner. We need to give them a more time to tent the house for termites before we come to firm conclusions about their ability to get the job done.
posted by Raider Take at 9:55 PM
78 Comments:
I am willing to give them a 3 year span (Allen, McKenzie), not that it means anything. If upgrades at coordinators are available, then do it. If this team is not contending for a playoff spot by year 3, then changes will be made.
Mark Davis needs to understand the situation that is, his football team. He needs to understand that it isn't an overnight fix. He said he was patient, ragging on the HC in his 1st year with an impossible situation, is not good business. Ego's are not needed right now. Problem has been indentified, now they have to turn it around, give it some time, I agree.
JONES
I don't agree that the roster "really sucked" at the end of last year. I think maybe the drastic change to a new run offense, combined with some dubious pick ups in free agency made this team worse. Can't entirely blame the old regime.
CB is arguably the most important position in football (see Raiders when Haynes and Hayes were back there) and McK went out and got a bunch of scrubs. Granted, there were injuries, but even when healthy, Bartell and Spencer are not the answer. Routt actually might have been an improvement. Heck, it appears Joselio Hanson is our best CB right now.
"The QB must go down and he must go down hard"...right? The Raiders did not replace Wimbley with anyone near his caliber in the offseason.
Bad secondary + no pass rush = average rookie QBs passing for 350.
And enough has been written about McFadden not adapting to the zone blocking scheme.
Yes, cap space played a part in some of these decisions, and maybe there just weren't better players available, but in both personnel and concept, bad decisions were made by the new regime.
Props for putting the hammer down on McClain though, and I'd give Allen more time to right the ship. It will be interesting to see what he does with Knapp and Tarver.
Oh, and after watching MNF and the Redskins go the opposite direction as the Raiders, from 3-6 to 6-6, why can't the Raiders get guys like London Fletcher anymore? They used to. Solid players with great character and leadership.
X -
I agree with your comment about the offense, but McKenzie had no money to pursue premium positions like CB and pass rushing DE/LB. If he did, we would have kept Wimbley... who's still costing the Raiders dead money.
I still believe Bartell and Spencer were good risks for McKenzie. They were previous starters coming off injury on the cheap. McKenzie also tried out and added many other CBs, Hanson being one.
Routt was released mostly for cap reasons, but then released mid-season by a very bad KC team. And I don't think anyone has picked him up. He might be a serviceable CB but not at that price.
If I were to guess, I'd say we have at least one new coordinator next year, along with turnover of at least 1/3 roster... probably half, again.
Good take! Beyond clown car, and that's minty fresh. Realistic and true.
Mediocre is pre-clown. (8-8) Bumbling is clown. (6-10)
This team needs to improve to become clown-worthy.
The keys are somewhere on the field; watching my kids make breakfast without any direction. Joyful, indeed, but the burnt toast must be eaten. With a smile.
Fortunately, there are some really good breakfasts to enjoy after the all-important home-meal is cooked.
So, for this season, thanks for the meal, really appreciate the effort Oak, but, if you don't mind, me and the wife are going to grab a breakfast that satisfies a hunger for a decent meal.
Anonymous JONES said...
The players have Allen's back? That's a joke, right? Allen probably didn't want anymore distractions or he thinks the players have turned their backs on him so why bother?
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You really have no idea of the TEAM concept here, do you? That is just staggering to me, and why I so often ignore almost all of your opinions.
Huff came out and said he sure wishes he knew what was going on. He's prolly been with the team as long as anyone... I'm pretty sure thats the sentiment of the entire team. The guy just took off??? And you think its a coincidence we went from 7-5 last year at this time... to 3-9 this year?
RT said last year we were "defended mediocrity." Most teams in the NFL are pretty mediocre. Not many of them are a hot mess. This team is the worst in football. And our coach just took off on them after losing and didn't bother to tell them about it.
I don't see how anyone can make excuses for that...
OakTown Blues said...
Good take! Beyond clown car, and that's minty fresh. Realistic and true.
Mediocre is pre-clown. (8-8) Bumbling is clown. (6-10)
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SIX wins? Where do you see us winning three more games?
I see us with the number one pick in the draft, unless Jax equals our bumbling and losses out also.
Here's the Huff comment:
"Things will be different because obviously we'll be caring about his situation, just wondering what's going on," cornerback Michael Huff said. "
Time for Jones to paint lipstick on this pig...
nyraider said...
X -
I agree with your comment about the offense, but McKenzie had no money to pursue premium positions like CB and pass rushing DE/LB. If he did, we would have kept Wimbley... who's still costing the Raiders dead money.
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20/20 hindsite here.. but the head scratcher to me was keeping Seymour.
I thought at the time it was because they thought they had a SB team or something. Why else didn't they just cut bait? Instead they restructured which will just hurt us even more next year after he retires.
Is it POSSIBLE this organization has no clue what they are doing?
I sure think so. I don't have the magic wand to make blunders like this disappear.
I don't, Gary, just my own definition, from the Periodic Table of Clown... ! :)
I just Oak doesn't wind up with Sanchez...
(hope) I see it coming. Palmer is okay. See, the Jeff George days weren't so bad, after all! LOL
Ahhh, Gary, there is no team concept with players who feel they are entitled. These players will not be on another team because they have no idea how to be a team (Routt). I see a bunch of individuals who mostly only care about themselves = selfish (culture). A 'team' full of selfish players who put themselves 1st, will NEVER win.
I'm sure Allen has his reasons why he kept it to himself. I would bet that he feels the players have turned their backs on him. Who would want to be 'family' with these guys? How could Allen be sincere with losing his Dad to a bunch of guys he doesn't really like to begin with?
JONES
X said..."why can't the Raiders get guys like London Fletcher anymore? They used to. Solid players with great character and leadership."
Mr.Davis loaded up the team with athletes who were selfish players. Since the 'Gruden era', when has there been Leaders on the team? How can you expect the new regime to have signed a Fletcher type when there was no cap space? Those types cost MONEY, if you don't have the space, you can't sign them.
As far as Wimbley, why do Raider fans consider this guy as a good player? Do you remember what Mr.Davis was paying him? He didn't want to restructure, what did you want McKenzie to do? His hands were tied.
It's pretty sad that Raider fans can't see the situations, so they do what the Raiders have done for years = don't understand the situation so SCREAM for the coaches head. "The dumbest culture in America".
JONES
Gary - the Raiders had to pick their battles. Releasing Seymour would have cost them money, much like releasing Wimbley and Routt cost them. I guess keeping a guy plugs the middle made more sense.
Jones - "As far as Wimbley, why do Raider fans consider this guy as a good player?"
Because he is. He had 9 sacks and 7 sacks for the Raiders last two seasons, and has 5 sacks this year... all three years playing on bad teams. He's a specialist in a league that will pay a premium for his service.
The simple reason why Wimbley didn't restructure was because he made more money by leaving... he had guarantees with the Raiders and a new salary from TN.
Last year he had 4 sacks in one game (Dolts) vs a nobody Tackle. He couldn't cover, he is brutal vs the run, because he records a few sacks, does not make him a good player. Once again, Raider fans over estimate a players value because he is or once was a Raider. Who cares why he didn't restructure, he had to go, just like the rest of them.
JONES
Blogger nyraider said...
Gary - the Raiders had to pick their battles. Releasing Seymour would have cost them money, much like releasing Wimbley and Routt cost them. I guess keeping a guy plugs the middle made more sense.
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I know.. like I said, 20/20 hindsite. It cost us 15 mill to keep him, or 7.5 mill to cut him.
That 7.5 mill would come in handy next year... perhaps a bluechip FA CB or safety? Its just dead money now. I want McK to make better short term decisions. Short term it might have been better to keep Seymour only if the Raiders made the playoffs, etc. Then after they kept him, it seemed to me they were playing the season for draft picks... I've been saying it all along!
The suggestions of Allen losing the team is a joke. This team was lost in Game 1 of the season. The players leaking that they don't like Allen is a bunch of spoiled, whiney, Brats who don't belong on an NFL team, any respectable team doesn't put up with it. The bridge is burned and for the players, that may be a bridge that is League wide.
For Mark Davis to undermine his HC (culture), I find that disturbing, it makes Mark look like he is siding with players, just like his Dad did. Any respectable team does not have that happen. Mark said he was going to stay out of it, that is disappointing.
JONES
Anonymous Gary said...."
Huff came out and said he sure wishes he knew what was going on. He's prolly been with the team as long as anyone... I'm pretty sure thats the sentiment of the entire team. The guy just took off??? And you think its a coincidence we went from 7-5 last year at this time... to 3-9 this year?"....
and....gary said...
Here's the Huff comment:
"Things will be different because obviously we'll be caring about his situation, just wondering what's going on," cornerback Michael Huff said. "
Time for Jones to paint lipstick on this pig...
Don't you feel like a real asshole now, Gary, or maybe it's just what you feel like all the time? His Dad had a heart attack, those things kind of come on SUDDENLY....hope the Allen Family can find some understanding during their mourning.
JONES
The rebuilding strategy elected by the new regime reveals that the team is not long for Oakland.
The new regime understood that the defense was very low on talent and needed to be rebuilt. They also understood that it was so bad that this season they were not going to the playoffs. Based on that understanding, Reggie decided he might as well as tear down the already effective offense into a zone blocking team which was more to his liking. This would not be a bad strategy except for the fact that you have a fan base which after six dreadful seasons, had finally experienced progress and was desperate to see more. Make no mistake, the defense was so bad that even if the offense performed at the 2011 level the team would still probably be no better that 8-8. But psychologically, that would have been far more palatable than a four or five win season.
I don't think you can understate the extent to which this regression has turned off the fans. They now know that it will be two to three years before the Raiders are competitive. More importantly, they also know that Los Angeles beckons and that opportunities down south undoubtedly inform the decision to choose a rebuilding strategy which reflects zero consideration for the local fan base and is based upon having a competitive team just in time to be marketed in a new city and stadium. In short, this team is gone after next season.
If Mark Davis moves the team the LA, wonder how much of the fan base would just say "screw it", this team is too whacked to be loved, at some point you just have to let go. If they move to LA, it might be the tipping point to saying goodbye.
JONES
"Once again, Raider fans over estimate a players value because he is or once was a Raider."
Jones, the market dictates value. Wimbley's contracts -- first with the Raiders, then with TN -- speak for themselves. What value you place on Wimbley is irrelevant.
What this team need badly are time, draft slots, and cap space. Patience, patience, and patience, whether they like them or not. There is not much choice as long as the team have shortages of these three.
Meanwhile, I am not even sure what good would it bring by relocating the team at this point in time or in the near future. Not that they are in any way the next best thing after the invention of the sliced bread, especially after establishing themselves as one of the most inconsistent and weakest team in the league!
The sooner Mr. Davis & Co. stop believing the myth of quick turnaround, the better off they will be. While Rome was not built in a day, it took quite a while for it to turn into an archaeological skeleton.
So if a guy gets a decent contract, means he is good? What about Routt? Look at what he was paid in Oakland and then K.C., does that make him good? No, a player is a player is a player, doesn't matter how much money he makes. This isn't the stock market, NY, it's football.
JONES
Jones, not every player that has put on a Raiders uniform the past 5-6 years sucks.
I would rate Wimbley over Tollefson.
Don't you feel like a real asshole now, Gary,
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Yea kinda. I retract.
My father died but it was anything but suddenly. I'm not sure how I would react with such a sudden loss... I do think I'd at least tell the team about I was leaving and why, but maybe he isn't that kind of a guy.
I hope the team rallies around him... hopefully this can bring everyone closer.
I don't think you can understate the extent to which this regression has turned off the fans. They now know that it will be two to three years before the Raiders are competitive. More importantly, they also know that Los Angeles beckons and that opportunities down south undoubtedly inform the decision to choose a rebuilding strategy which reflects zero consideration for the local fan base and is based upon having a competitive team just in time to be marketed in a new city and stadium. In short, this team is gone after next season.
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If the stands are empty after the Manning show, and they trade their star attractions (McF and Palmer) Mark deserves an empty stadium all next year too.
I guess we will see if the Raiders players can rally around their head coach on Thurs. Allen plans to return Wed and coach the game.
Sad news about his dad, who was only age 66... a young man by today's standards.
"Wimbley over Tollefson"
Wow, good 1 NY, how much is Tollefson making? Is Wimbley better than any other rush end who makes his kind of money? Yeah, that's what I thought.
Tell me NY, what player that put on a Raider jersey, in the last 5 years, is tearing up the League? Anyone? If you are going to make arguments, make them apples to apples, otherwise it looks kind of dumb.
JONES
"Mark deserves an empty stadium all next year too."....
Mark deserves it because of what his Dad left him? Good 'logic', Anonymous Gary.
"Dumbest culture in America".
JONES
"I do think I'd at least tell the team about I was leaving and why, but maybe he isn't that kind of a guy."......
It shows disconnect, I am pretty sure Allen is as sick of these players, as the rumors say the players are, about him. The players turned their backs on him, so F them, I wouldn't want to share it with them either. Raider players have lived in an alternate universe for years, once they are off the team, reality is going to be tough on them (Routt).
JONES
PFT reporting Raiders are talking to Gruden about HC job. Rumor? Not sure what to think.
"What this team need badly are time, draft slots, and cap space. Patience, patience, and patience"
Agree.
I am 99.9% sure that both McKenzie and DA knew the significnat challenges that awaited them BEFORE they signed the dotted line on their contracts.
The one thing that I have appreciated about McK & DA is that they are (1) NOT making excuses (2) NOT airing the team's dirty laundry or (3) NOT throwing individuals under the bus.
The mentality of McK & DA is "roll up our sleeves & let's get to work".
Time, draft picks, cap space and a opportunity to rebuild the team from the ground up ... a tough pill to swallow for fans who want immediate gratification.
My sincere hope is that by truly building a team filled with players who are tough, smart, coachable, and disciplined, we will see the light at the end of the tunnel for sustainable success.
It won't be quick, glamorous, easy, and anything remotely resembling a instant turnaround but as McK & DA bring in their players, Raider fans should begin to see a core foundation plus real leaders in the locker room and playing field.
Gruden? He's smarter than that. he had great players!
Real classy, Allen's Dad passes and they are writing rumors of a new HC? How low can they get?
Reading the comments...the Raider fans that used to say the time Chucky coached in Oakland "didn't count" because he ran an Offense that Mr.Davis didn't like. NOW, these same guys are losing their minds with joy of the chance he might come back. "Dumbest.........."
JONES
"Yea kinda. I retract.
My father died but it was anything but suddenly. I'm not sure how I would react with such a sudden loss... I do think I'd at least tell the team about I was leaving and why, but maybe he isn't that kind of a guy."
How about using a bit of discretion? You don't know how DA handled this matter with the team. Judging someone using your own values without the facts isn't warranted especially when it comes to a loved one passing away.
"yeah kinda" - is that the best you can do -- pretty weak and half-hearted.
CP3 today,
On the passing of Coach Allen’s father:
“Tough situation obviously for Coach. Our team got together and we’re going to support him and do whatever he needs us to do and right now, that’s prepare for this game and get ready for the Denver Broncos. But our thoughts and prayers are with he and his family right now as they’re going through this.”
Calico Jack said...
"yeah kinda" - is that the best you can do -- pretty weak and half-hearted.
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Gosh CJ.. one might think that by reading everything you type here you might not like me much.
That really breaks my heart.
lol
How about using a bit of discretion? You don't know how DA handled this matter with the team. Judging someone using your own values without the facts isn't warranted especially when it comes to a loved one passing away.
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Hey dipcheese... he hadn't passed away yet... and I didn't even know how sick he was.
I made a mistake and I admitted I was "kinda" an asshole.
Grow up. You don't like me. I get it. That doesn't mean you have to act like a 13 year old girl.
Jones -
"Wow, good 1 NY, how much is Tollefson making?
Is that your argument du jour?
First, Raiders fans are idiots for thinking Wimbley is any good. Then he’s no good because he made a smart business decision to not restructure his contract. Then he’s no good because he’s more expensive than Tollefson.
What will it be today?
I find it amusing for all the months you’ve ragged on the players and propped up the coaches, suggesting a plan will be implemented to acquire players to fit the system, then you sneak this in:
"If upgrades at coordinators are available, then do it.”
Wow! Quite a revelation, wouldn’t you say?
That doesn’t say much about maintaining continuity, not to mention your sudden loss of faith in the coaching staff.
So is it the players or the coaches, Jones? You don’t seem to have a clear position anymore.
Perhaps, it’s both!
Chucky inherited a great team, at the right time, obviously because it was still clicking the next year. Chucky is not the answer, or even a band-aid. Stop drinking the kool-aid and thinking a coaching bailout will fix the fact that THE OTHER TEAMS ARE BETTER BUSINESS THAN RAIDERS, Inc., in terms of CEO Tenure and Employee retention and usage. So glad we aren't Jets fans, what a me$$ they are paying for.
"'other indications' -- yeah, please expand that thought. It is rather vague and unfounded."
Well, Calico... First of check out an article written by Paul Gutierrez from Nov. 9. I hope that will settle the argument you and I had about the Raider's resemblence to an expansion team.
Other indications? How about complete regression over the last four while there was still a chance at a play off berth? How about a complete lack of effort from Moore, DHB, and a few other on Sunday? How about the fact that Cable and Jackson had no trouble dealing with McClain? Also, a player does not typically start acting up in practice unless the believe that they have at least emotional support from a few other players.
I tell you what. If players are still behind a coach who's job is on the line, they tend to rally around that coach in the end by playing much harder, even if they are unable to put up a win. On Sunday (and I was at the game, so I can tell you) there was absolutely NO such rallying going on.
Gruden rumors.
This is going to surprise you, but I think that this might be McKenzie's best move - with a few caveats.
One of Allen's major problems is that he has absolutely NO charisma. Gruden will have the capacity to get the players on board. Gruden is also not affraid to very openly discipline players who fail to do their jobs - and that CAN create accountability among the players for a coach with charisma.
Gruden's great weakness is developing young talent. If McKenzie can also surround Gruden with coaches and veteran players who can teach, it MIGHT be possible to build a long term winner with Gruden.
The greatest benefit is that it will give the fans a new sense of excitement and enthusiasm for the rebuild that just might reach the players themselves.
Oakland is about to lose both the A's and the Wariors. They have been in constant communication with Davis and Trask regarding keeping them here and building a new stadium. There are absolutely NO rumors that the Raiders are currently talking to ANYONE in LA.
Of course, it's possible that some day the Raiders might wind up back there. Just like it's possible that the Chargers could wind up back there. It's just not likely right now.
One more re Gruden...
I'm hearing that if Allen is fired, it may not come from McKenzie but from Davis himself. Apparently, Davis is one pissed off dude.
"If McKenzie can also surround Gruden with coaches and veteran players who can teach, it MIGHT be possible to build a long term winner with Gruden"....
Listen to these FORMER Gruden haters....now he is the "savior". What if Allen got surrounded with " veteran players who can teach" ? Instead of malcontents like he has now? You are willing to give Gruden that chance but not Allen? "Dumbest...........".
JONES
Unlike you, JONES, some of us have the ability to be flexible in our thinking. We don't insist on being rigidly wrong.
"How about the fact that Cable and Jackson had no trouble dealing with McClain? Also, a player does not typically start acting up in practice unless the believe that they have at least emotional support from a few other players."....
= Complete BULLSHIT. Other players have said McClain has been a problem for a while...Jackson had no trouble with McClain? Only a shot fired beside someone's head, among his shitty play. As far as McClain having support of other players to "act out"....CULTURE, rears it's ugly head, this is what has been wrong in Raiderville for YEARS. But here is Balanda, in all his bullshit glory, saying that this culture is on the coaches? What an IDIOT.
JONES
Balanda you have the worst record of being right on this blog, stop trying to rewrite history.....you are nothing but a liar and a dreamer.
JONES
When are you going to understand, Balanda, players are leaving, coach is staying.
JONES
Ny, you aren't worth it, you don't know shit, sit down and STFU.
JONES
The old gas bag is at it again.
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"Ny, you aren't worth it, you don't know shit, sit down and STFU.
In other words, I'm correct. You spent the entire season so far ragging on the players only to realize the coaches also have a hand in it.
How else can you explain your comment that it's "ok" to replace the coordinators? That's in complete contradiction with your notion the coaches have a plan and need time to implement it.
Coordinators are like players, if you can upgrade, you do it. It's no secret that Knapp isn't a top OC, BUT, what he is asking the players to do, can be done. What Tarver is asking the players, can be done. I have never said the coordinators are the best, what I have said is......the players are uncoachable, so how can you hang it on the coaches when the players are impossible? Do you see the difference, Mr. "I will poke and prod until I kind find something to make myself look good"?
I give the coaches a pass this year because of the circumstance, but, coordinators can be upgraded and if the opportunity comes to do it, why not? It will still be Allen's and Reggie's vision going forward, am I right? If there is someone Allen can work with that is a better fit to work with him, then do it.
Again NY, you don't know shit, so sit down and STFU.
JONES
BR,
Kindly put down the crack pipe about Gruden.
An e-mail from Raiders director media relations Zak Gilbert on the “rumor” that Jon Gruden could be rejoining the Raiders . . .
Members of the media: There are two people on this planet that have the ability to make talks happen between Jon Gruden and the Raiders, with regard to him allegedly taking over the football operations, and/or the position of head coach. Each of those individuals, owner Mark Davis and general manager Reggie McKenzie, wanted me to communicate that this rumor has no validity whatsoever. And for the record, I’m personally disgusted that Hub Arkush would spread such an untruth on the day our head coach, Dennis Allen, had to determine with his mom, his brother and sister, whether to take his dad off life support or wait and hope that he would regain consciousness. Dennis didn’t have an opportunity to say goodbye to his dad, but he did have an opportunity to take a phone call regarding Hub’s story.
"Other indications? How about complete regression over the last four while there was still a chance at a play off berth? How about a complete lack of effort from Moore, DHB, and a few other on Sunday? How about the fact that Cable and Jackson had no trouble dealing with McClain? Also, a player does not typically start acting up in practice unless the believe that they have at least emotional support from a few other players.
I tell you what. If players are still behind a coach who's job is on the line, they tend to rally around that coach in the end by playing much harder, even if they are unable to put up a win. On Sunday (and I was at the game, so I can tell you) there was absolutely NO such rallying going on."
This is nothing but jibber-jabber non-sense without sense of context or perspective.
First the big whopper: The notion that the players aren't busting their tails in practice and on game day simply isn't true. You cite 2 examples of Moore and DHB; Moore on 1 play in the end zone play and what to "see, the team isn't giving effort". That is complete garbage. Ask CP3 or DA himself about Moore's work ethic and effort and you will get an entirely different viewpoint. DHB has one of the best work ethics on the entire team. Once again, has nothing to do with effort but is a case of guy who is not a natural pass catcher. Effort, Technique, Football Acumen, Athleticm - DHB seems to have 2 of the 4 categories covered but unfortunately, his lack of competency and consistency in the other 2 areas is the reason for his recent slump.
As I've said before, effort is only 1 part of winning football. Effort alone will not get you very far in a complex, team sport.
Also, are you implying that the team didn't rally behind their HC or each other vs. Cincy? You must not have seen the 2nd half.
Finally, the dribble about McClain is exactly that - dribble. To suggest that DA can't handle McClain is grossly inaccurate. To date, DA reduced McClain's snaps because he was a major liablility in pass coverage. He also suspended him for conduct detrimental to the the team or team standards. DA has handled McClain appropriately and with an even hand. No drama but sound discipline -- something that has been sorely lacking in Oakland where the Culture of the players doing whatever the hell they want to do without accountability is being weeded out. If McClain is the new poster boy for this change, FANTASTIC.
If OAK fires Allen, they will become the team I used to like. Only an absolute idiot stays married to the unfaithful.
If you think a HC needs charisma to be successful, look no further than Bill Belicheat.
By the way, excellent piece (albeit depressing in showing the Raider defensive failures) by Chris Hansen on the 94 yard drive that basically won the game for Cleveland last week.
http://tinyurl.com/chlmuj4
While Palmer failed in throwing the interception preceding the drive, the D is at least as much to blame for a litany of errors that let the Browns drive from their own 6. That was maddening.
Re: the Gruden rumor:
DJ Johnny Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
Oakland Raiders wish to announce to our loyal and zealous fans that the exciting news that you heard about us making a bold move to help improve the product on the field was simply baseless and unfounded rumor. We wish to vehemently deny any reports that suggest we intend to energize a starved and demoralized fanbase now or in the foreseeable future.
Rumors suggesting we are pursuing anything other than lackluster, non impact players or that we will pursue any options that might offer you any sort of hope should be summarily dismissed.”
“We further want to say we find it preposterous that we would ever do anything that would serve to create a level of positive expectation in regard to the product on the field, or the direction of the team”..
We offer our sincere thanks and remind you that season tickets for 2013 will be on sale soon”
Calico Jack said...
"Other indications? How about complete regression over the last four while there was still a chance at a play off berth? How about a complete lack of effort from Moore, DHB, and a few other on Sunday? How about the fact that Cable and Jackson had no trouble dealing with McClain? Also, a player does not typically start acting up in practice unless the believe that they have at least emotional support from a few other players.
I tell you what. If players are still behind a coach who's job is on the line, they tend to rally around that coach in the end by playing much harder, even if they are unable to put up a win. On Sunday (and I was at the game, so I can tell you) there was absolutely NO such rallying going on."
This is nothing but jibber-jabber non-sense without sense of context or perspective.
First the big whopper: The notion that the players aren't busting their tails in practice and on game day simply isn't true. You cite 2 examples of Moore and DHB; Moore on 1 play in the end zone play and what to "see, the team isn't giving effort". That is complete garbage. Ask CP3 or DA himself about Moore's work ethic and effort and you will get an entirely different viewpoint. DHB has one of the best work ethics on the entire team. Once again, has nothing to do with effort but is a case of guy who is not a natural pass catcher. Effort, Technique, Football Acumen, Athleticm - DHB seems to have 2 of the 4 categories covered but unfortunately, his lack of competency and consistency in the other 2 areas is the reason for his recent slump.
As I've said before, effort is only 1 part of winning football. Effort alone will not get you very far in a complex, team sport.
Also, are you implying that the team didn't rally behind their HC or each other vs. Cincy? You must not have seen the 2nd half.
Finally, the dribble about McClain is exactly that - dribble. To suggest that DA can't handle McClain is grossly inaccurate. To date, DA reduced McClain's snaps because he was a major liablility in pass coverage. He also suspended him for conduct detrimental to the the team or team standards. DA has handled McClain appropriately and with an even hand. No drama but sound discipline -- something that has been sorely lacking in Oakland where the Culture of the players doing whatever the hell they want to do without accountability is being weeded out. If McClain is the new poster boy for this change, FANTASTIC.
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I do have to say you sure drink the new regime Koolade. More power to ya! I hope you are right. A team that gets wrse every single week doesn't instil confidence in me, and I predicted Knapp to be an abject failure from the time he signed the contract... but who knows.
Crazy things happen in the NFL sometimes...
DJ Jonny? WTF? It was so good, Gary had to post it twice?
Improving the product ON THE FIELD, is going to take new players, duhhh. Postive results will take time, whether Gruden, Madden or Vince Lombardi is coaching the Oakland Raiders. If Gruden was brought in, do any of you actually believe he would get this team to the "playoffs?" Oh I forgot, Gruden has charisma and can charm the players into playing at an All Pro level. Stupid is what Stupid writes.
JONES
Jack...
ain't that the truth, talk about Raider bashing, spreading a rumor that effects the man who's Dad just passed.... and look at all the so-called fans going right along with it. Their (Raider fans) HC is in a bad way and they all pile on in the worst way at his worst time. The culture runs deep in the fan base as well. It's disgusting.
JONES
X....
Wheeler looked the worst on that drive, he started off hot for the Defense to start the season, now he is not making the plays. When the game is on the line, assignments can't be blown and were they blown.
JONES
Just some quick hits.
The roster sucked ?
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Raiders roster was built for vertical game.
DHB and Moore using speed down the sideline. Pocket passer Palmer using big arm.
Mcfadden running behind power blocking 0-line.
Mistake was, Raiders thought they could take these players, and make them succeed in WC offense.
They were wrong.
Why can't the Raiders get players like London Fletcher ?
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While Fletcher is a very good player. The real reason the Skins are winning is RG3.
Why can't the Raiders find a QB, is the better question.
Gruden is coming to the rescue ?
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I think Dennis Allen will start next season as Raiders HC. But the shadow of Gruden will be hanging over him.
"Coordinators are like players, if you can upgrade, you do it."
Ok, Jones. If you say so. But it’s still very curious that your posts have gone from unrelenting support of the coaches to "they can be replaced."
It’s all part of the master plan, right?
Coach stays. Support the decision made to hire in the first place. If not, no other personnel can, or should be trusted. It's called trickle-down truth. Loyalty shows up on the field like a physical ethic. it is sorely, and sadly, lacking. Allen stays for two more seasons, no matter what. Give the leader some time. You KNOW it would have been a MIRACLE if McFragile made it the whole season and OAK was in possession of 9 strong wins or more by now. It's just the way it is. I am happy with the on-field discipline. It's a much-neeeded improvement that precedes talent. That's why I say 2016. Give it time. The talent in this league is too high for flukes. it's not 70's ball. (sadly!)
...and, in 2016, changing my name to OakTown Silver will be proper, but that has to be earned, plain n' simple, but, until then, throw some blues in the jukebox, and bring a stack of quarters. We'll be here awhile, so might as well make the most of it.
Oh it's so curious, hey NY? only to yourself who can't figure anything out so you just go along with what "everyone else is saying". Just keep riding the "other posters are writing it, so it must be true" train. You have no ability to come to your own conclusions = you don't know = you follow like sheep.
JONES
Jones, call me names if you wish. Seems more like you’re just trying to deflect the truth; your attitude to the coaches has changed, and you either regret posting it or you act like it’s been your position all along... which clearly it has not been.
Enjoy the game, if you can... if any of us can.
Damn NY, change your freakin tampon, you sound a lot like my wife does, sometimes. Attitude hasn't changed, that's just you trying to make up a scenario that will make you feel like you "got me on the ropes". Same shit my menstrating wife does. Change it, sit down and STFU.
JONES
Nice way to talk about your wife there Jones. Hey Take, you should eject this piece of work. He just fights with the mateys. Whatever dude.
Win for Coach Allen. Beat the Broncos. RIP Grady Allen.
ALAMEDA, Calif. (AP) -- Grady Allen, the father of Oakland Raiders coach Dennis Allen and a former NFL linebacker, has died. He was 66.
The Raiders said Tuesday that Grady Allen died overnight from cardiac arrest. Dennis Allen had left the Raiders on Sunday night to go to the Dallas area to be with his father, who was hospitalized last week.
''When we first heard it, we were shocked,'' cornerback Michael Huff said. ''We knew he was sick but we didn't know to what extreme. When we first heard it, like I said, it was sad. Anytime a part of our families dies, obviously, Coach Allen's a part of our family so his dad's a part of our family so anytime a part of our family dies, it's a sad moment. We know we have to go ahead and mourn but still go out there and play well. I say, get this victory for him.''
Dennis Allen is expected to rejoin the team Wednesday night and coach Oakland against Denver on Thursday night. Offensive coordinator Greg Knapp oversaw the team at practice on Tuesday with defensive coordinator Jason Tarver running that side of the ball.
Quarterback Carson Palmer said it was a challenge to prepare for the game without Allen, but the team would persevere.
''We understand he just needs some time away and a chance to be with his family,'' Palmer said. ''What we need to do for him is prepare, get ready to play this game and focus on this game and be as prepared as we can in a short amount of time for when he returns.''
Grady Allen played 59 games over five years as a linebacker with the Atlanta Falcons.
Broncos coach John Fox said he met Grady Allen last year when Dennis was defensive coordinator for the Broncos. Fox sent his best wishes to the Allen family and said he was glad Dennis Allen was able to be with his family during this difficult time.
''Sometimes we get a little caught up in what we do for a living and those types of things, but if that was something he would have asked me, I would have said you need to be with your family,'' Fox said.
OTB, go back to your patriots, fair weather fans make me puke.
JONES
Huff is the latest to be benched....these players have no idea how to play in an NFL Defense. McFadden sucks, put Stewart and Reece in. Palmer is done, Streater is a bright spot. Houston is a bright spot......same ole chit.
JONES
Huff, gone, Kelly, gone, McFadden traded, Shaunessy gone, Seymour gone Bartell gone, Giordano gone, Mitchell gone, DHB is a joke, Myers cannot run block, Barnes gone, Briesel gone, Goodson gone, Palmer traded for picks sure looks like a crappy trade now, Moore fragile could be a #3, get rid of these guys, they can't play at a high level and their attitudes ruin the team.
JONES
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Postgame take is up. It's short.
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