And The Raiders Select...
After last year's buzzkill of a draft and disaster of a season, here we are heading into the first round of the 2013 NFL draft with a sense of renewal and energy. Reggie McKenzie brought in the wrecking crew over the past several months, and now the rebuilding begins.
In terms of core "contributors," the 2012 Raiders didn't look that much different than the previous year, yet only managed half of the wins. The 2013 Raiders are suddenly going to look a lot different. Huff, Seymour, Lechler, DHB, Palmer, Kelly, McLain, Mitchell, Giordano...And I think we can just as easily win four games without them.
I predicted as much last November, remarking: The perpetual Christmas is over in Alameda. Don't buy a Raiders jersey right now, because you're going to see a lot of names on the discount rack next summer. There's no other path to take at this point.
So here we are. The days of Hail Mary free agent signings are over. The team will be built from the ground up. A successful draft will go a long way toward accelerating the process.
I think we'll kick things off with a defensive lineman. I believe that only three defensive starters are returning this year. We need to find a way to stuff the run and get the QB. A mayhem-maker in the middle (or even on the end) is an obvious core need. Shariff Floyd seems to be the popular prognostication right now.
I hate to say it, but cornerback is another target area. I'm sort of terrorized by the hailstorm of speedy DBs we've whiffed on in the past. But we need a good one pronto.
I might look for a late-round flyer at running back, too, as a hedge against McFadden. Impact running backs can be found in later rounds. It would be awesome if we could find a diamond in the rough.
The lack of a second round pick really hurts. The idea of trading down for more picks is enticing, but who's going to make that deal? It doesn't seem like the kind of draft where teams are clamoring to get into the top five to get this or that player.
In the end, we shall see...So grab your popcorn and give us your take!
In terms of core "contributors," the 2012 Raiders didn't look that much different than the previous year, yet only managed half of the wins. The 2013 Raiders are suddenly going to look a lot different. Huff, Seymour, Lechler, DHB, Palmer, Kelly, McLain, Mitchell, Giordano...And I think we can just as easily win four games without them.
I predicted as much last November, remarking: The perpetual Christmas is over in Alameda. Don't buy a Raiders jersey right now, because you're going to see a lot of names on the discount rack next summer. There's no other path to take at this point.
So here we are. The days of Hail Mary free agent signings are over. The team will be built from the ground up. A successful draft will go a long way toward accelerating the process.
I think we'll kick things off with a defensive lineman. I believe that only three defensive starters are returning this year. We need to find a way to stuff the run and get the QB. A mayhem-maker in the middle (or even on the end) is an obvious core need. Shariff Floyd seems to be the popular prognostication right now.
I hate to say it, but cornerback is another target area. I'm sort of terrorized by the hailstorm of speedy DBs we've whiffed on in the past. But we need a good one pronto.
I might look for a late-round flyer at running back, too, as a hedge against McFadden. Impact running backs can be found in later rounds. It would be awesome if we could find a diamond in the rough.
The lack of a second round pick really hurts. The idea of trading down for more picks is enticing, but who's going to make that deal? It doesn't seem like the kind of draft where teams are clamoring to get into the top five to get this or that player.
In the end, we shall see...So grab your popcorn and give us your take!
posted by Raider Take at 7:49 AM
151 Comments:
I've said it the last few times, I think the Raiders will first trade down; picking up a lower 1st, a 2nd, and a 5th round pick. TRADE TRADE TRADE!!!!
I would like to see them go after Tavon Austin (WR, WV); and then pick up Hankins with the 2nd pick. More and more I see them going D-Line with their first, and a WR with their 2nd (if they trade down). I think they will select either Ansah or Lotulelei first, and then maybe Woods with the 2nd. Either way, I'm excited to see what Reggie does.
The Browns and the Jets are looking to move into the top 3, and there are other teams looking to move up (as I mentioned in the last post Vikings, Lions, Browns, Dolphins, Panthers, and Titans ). Reggie says there are plenty of options and interest in the third spot. I hope we can work something out and get more picks, especially a 2nd round to add to our first round.
It's going to be interesting because nobody knows what Reggie's really going to do, like he said in his presser the other day, "I've got my poker face on!"
JUST WIN, BABY!
IMO, OT is the only position at the top of this draft with talent worthy enough to entice other teams to trade up; but there’s also enough depth at OT that moving all the way to #3 shouldn't be necessary (it's costly).
So while I would love to see the Raiders trade down in the first round and add a second round pick, I don't see it happening.
I will tip my hat (again) to Reggie if he makes that happen. There are a couple of good DTs that might be around, say, when the Jets pick.
I will be running home from an appointment around 8pm EST, but don't plan to miss the Raiders first pick, be it #3, #9, or whenever.
GO REGGIE! GO RAIDERS!!
Interesting that nfl.com is reporting that the Raiders are looking to trade down for CB Hayden out of Houston (the one who nearly died on the field from internal bleeding).
I personally think he will be there in the 2nd, maybe 3rd round. Again, if Austin is there, take him. I'll be happy with a D-Lineman as well. Either way.....
JUST WIN, BABY!
RT: Funny, I was re-reading your November posting last thinking how right on you were with those words. And I am glad and excited about everything Reggie and DA have been doing since day !.
It seems like there is interest by several teams in the Raiders #3 pick, with DA saying Reggie's been on the phone non-stop today. I am keeping up hope that we do move down, maybe not just in the first, but also in the third. We could net 3 or 4 extra picks this year (being very optimistic here). But, the really great thing is to go into this draft with excitement that we will pick up some very helpful pieces to the puzzle. I used to dread the drafts by AD, wondering what kind of reach would make us once again the laughingstocks of the league.
Go Raiders!
Very cool, Sactown. I'll be surprised yet impressed if we can find a trade-down partner.
Sactown, one thing is for sure, that if AD was still with us and drafting; it would be Milliner that we take.
This is what I love about it this year; we have no idea what the Raiders are going to do; which is why I am not sold on Sharriff Floyd because all of the pundits are saying this is a typical Raider pick; but these are not the typical Raiders!
JUST WIN, BABY!
If all this talk about targeting D.J. Hayden is true, it BETTER not be with the Third Overall pick.
Obviously, the trading down for more picks has to outweigh the perceived benefits of taking their "impact guy" at the No. 3 spot. I think then, with a possible No. 9 or 12 overall, they might take someone like D. J. Hayden. Who knows??? It never has turned out the way I thought it would.
Like Raider Nate says, I am just excited to see what Reggie does with this, his first real, full-fledged draft with a pick in the first round.
http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2013/04/25/allen-i-feel-like-its-christmas-eve/
Jerry Davis has mouthed that the Raiders have traded the pick!
Raiders trade pick to Dolphins!
We traded with Miami. What do we get in return?
SCAR
Yes!!! More picks!
Way to Go McKenzie!!
SCAR
I think Miami's 1st and 2nd. Not positive, but that's the value of our first pick.
Raiders get #12, and 2nd rounder, just like I said.
SCAR
1st and 2nd round pick for number 3 pick
IMO that is a win!
SCAR
#42 overall in the 2nd round
AngelicRaider-
WOW!
The Dolphins sent the No. 12 overall and the No. 42 overall pick in the draft to the Raiders.
DJ Hayden coming our way, if not him, Star Lotulelei! AWESOME!!!!
JUST WIN, BABY!
Like I said, I'm surprised but impressed! Epic!
Star Lotulelei could be the best DT in the draft.
Yes, hats off to Reggie for making that happen. Now it's all about making smart selections.
SCAR
I know its not the Raiders pick, but, fyi, I watched 4 LSU games last year. Sam Montgomery is no question the better DE on that team. Barkevious Mingo number 6 to the Browns? ok...
SCAR
AngelicRaider
We might still get one of those DT's!!!!!!!
Raiders look to have lots of options at #12. I hope they aren't considering Geno Smith.
I think Reggie should trade the #12 for a later first rounder and get a few more extra picks, maybe a 2nd, 3rd and 4th. Ha, ha..we should be so lucky!
Raiders have their pick of the top DTs. What will they do?
The Raiders select DJ HAYDEN!!!! WHO CALLED IT BABY!!!!
This will help the defensive line get more sacks, too.
I think Star Lotulelei will be at the #42 spot in the 2nd Round. if not, they will pick Jonathan Hankins (DT, Ohio State) with the 42nd overall pick they got from Miami.
Well...I just don't know. Gotta trust Reggie.
SCAR
I can't say I know much about D.J Hayden, but I do give props to just about every move McKenzie has made this offseason, so I am going to trust this pick...
SCAR
Is his health a possible concern? Is his mental state of mind a concern?
Plus isn't he a bit small to defend today's NFL WRs.
What happened to building in the trenches first? How does taking a health risk with Hayden at CB trump selecting from all the top DTs in college football draft still on the board at #12?
He was considered the top cornerback in college until his injury. That was a freak thing that almost killed him. A torn inferior vena cava has a 95% fatality rate, but he survived. Shows incredible will to live and toughness, I think. Then he came back so quickly and clocked a 4.33 at the combine. His stock was rising sharply just before the draft.
Our cornerback situation was a disaster last year. Now we have D J Hayden, Tracy Porter and Jenkins. I am very happy with this pick! :D
No way is his health a concern. Dude was an animal for Houston. He may not be as aggressive as he was, but he will do the job. Great football intelligence.
His draft stock went up, last week I was thinking he would be a 3rd or 4th rounder, and then people had him going to New England in the first. This is a great pick for the Raiders.
Star Lotulelei or Jonathan Hankins next with the #42.
REfresh this, I was thinking he'd be a 3rd or 4th rounder coming into the draft until last week when his stock rose drastically. Mayock had him as the #1 CB in the draft.
As we've learned, it won't matter how good our corners are if we can't play at a high level on the D-line.
I trust that Reggie (1) selected the best player on the board (2) selected the player he felt could make the biggest impact and (3) feels the DT position is deep enough to take one in the 2nd round.
I gotta love this. All the people that hated Al and made excuses and justifications for every Reggie stumble and bumble, now are faced with justifying a pick that would have drove them absolutely INSANE if Al had made it. The fastest CB again?
I think I will buy a Hayden jersey… just for Al.
Its somehow poetic and right.
Al is in football heaven with a smile on his face!
Gotta agree with you Gary.
If Al makes this pick, some would be all over him.
And talk about a risky pick.
Gruden was saying he could find NO Film, of Hayden coming up in run situations to make tackle. NONE.
Can Hayden throw his body around the field ? Tackle runners ? WR's after they catch it ?
Hayden seems to have cover skills, but what else ?
This was a big gamble by Reggie with a pick he cannot afford to get wrong.
I guess we'll know soon enough.
My initial reaction to picking Hayden is disappointment. Is Hayden an immediate impact starter? Have the Raiders wasted yet another 1st round pick.
IMO, the Raiders have underestimated the intimidation factor for a player that came within a hair of his life due to a football injury, that he can come back and play at a higher level than he played in college.
Who was Reggie going to pick at #3 if he couldn't trade the pick?
Lots of big guys and potential impact players on the board to choose from when Hayden was picked.
McKenzie: "Of course we researched the health issues. Now, everything we got back from that standpoint was more than positive so it became a non-issue for us in that regard. He’s gonna have to mentally go through it now, that’s the only issue we had."
That's potentially a big issue! And it's a big risk for a franchise that doesn't have margin for error.
Hayden is a tremendous talent but, IMO, he would have been a better risk for an established team that could have picked him more as a luxury than out of desperation.
something that most of you who are disappointed with the pick are not considering a few things.
#1-had not been for the injury, he would have been a top 10, maybe even a top 5 pick.
#2-what happened to him was freakish. it wasn't because he was soft or anything else, it was just freakish.
#3-would he really need to stop the run if he's a nickel back?
#4-this kid is so talented there has been talk that he can move over to safety.
#5-he's a hard hitter, makes quick and accurate reads, and if explosive to the ball and play.
i've seen him play, living here in austin, and the kid has a lot of good football smarts and skills. i promise those who are doubting, are doubting because no one can seem to find anything about him from the pundit experts. even if al picked this kid, i would seriously be excited about him. because i've seen him in action; and i don't think he will disappoint. a fair comparison to his play is the combination of charles woodson combined with the power hits of rod woodson/ronnie lott. jonathan hankins will be our 2nd round pick if he's there. if he's not there, i think we will take tank carradine or jesse williams. god forbid we take manti teo.
btw, all Gruden had to do was youtube the guy, and he'd seen several videos of him making tackles against the run at the line. check it out here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llLcuVvBZ1M
I have to admit to being sort of "huh" at first and initially thinking here we go again. There are some differences, however...
We got value for our first round pick. We didn't just get Hayden, we got a much needed second rounder.
Also, we have a desperate need at CB. It's not like picking Fabian Washington at CB with #1 and Stanford Routt at CB with #2 two years after picking Asomugha at CB with #1 and three years after picking Philip Buchanon at CB with #1.
Another encouraging sign is that Hayden seems to have high character. He has worked hard to bounce back.
From one article:
"Before the injury, Hayden was considered the top cornerback in the country. His performance in offseason workouts caused his stock to steadily grow, and CBSSports.com reported the Raiders were even considering Hayden at No. 3.
Hayden was the Conference USA Defensive Newcomer of the Year in 2011. He had six interceptions in 23 games for Houston, returning two for touchdowns.
One of the weakest units on the Raiders last season, the Raiders now have Hayden and free agent acquisitions Tracy Porter and Mike Jenkins at cornerback."
That should make a difference in our ability to cope with Manning, Rivers and Smith in our division, among others.
Oh no, Gruden says he doesn't tackle. Look at the film, he is a very good tackler. As far as the same old trolls complaining that everyone would be at Mr.Davis' throat for this pick = bullshit. Most loved Al for McClain, Russell, and all the rest...how bout the "you would have been all over him" get's a rest.
How many years are we going to keep hearing about the 'great Hue Jackson' and how Mr.Davis ran a good draft etc?
At least wait for the kid to get into camp and show what he has before you all jump that he is a bust. He has been cleared to play 100% by the Dr's. Kid is obviously tough as nails to come back after just 6 days when it would usually take 6 weeks. He is a FOOTBALL PLAYER, tough as nails, can run like the wind....what the fuck else do you want?
JONES
2014 Hope: Raiders win the west. Reality: few more years. I hope I am wrong. Is a 2017 championship that far fetched? Maybe... maybe not. Enjoy the season and stay realistic and positive.
I think it's about playing the percentages. IMO, Raiders don't have the luxury that some other teams have to pick players like Hayden. In his case, it's more mental than physical, but the risk exists nonetheless.
If you want to just write it off and say McKenzie knows exactly what he's doing, fine; but even McKenzie said Hayden's ability to mentally overcome his injury remains to be seen.
There were plenty of players on the draft board that represented less risk, and potentially similar upside. McKenzie/Allen said they had five other players right at that slot to consider.
That said, I agree with RT that the Raiders got value for their #3 pick... by getting Hayden and a second rounder. It was an outstanding trade!
I really like this pick and I really like the trade. What I especially like is that Reggie has a plan and he sticks to it no matter what others are going to say about his actions. The Raiders are going with the "take the best player" philosophy on the draft, and they say this guy was the overall best available player on their draft board at the time. Do you think he's lying? I don't. Hayden also just happens to help fill a huge gaping hole in the Raiders defense from last year. And they got a second round pick to boot! (filling another big hole in the Raider current fortunes).
This guy nearly died and in an incredibly short period of time has fully recovered from a nearly universally fatal condition.
Furthermore, I think Reggie and DA, as former defensive guys, and DA as a former secondary coach, are well qualified to evaluate whether a guy has the skills and talent to cover, tackle and generally play the game. More so than me!
Every draft pick for every team is a risk, and the higher the pick the higher the perceived risk. Nobody knows for certain who is going to succeed, become an elite NFL player, escape serious injury/illness or escape the constant distractions that come from the money and fame.
The jury is out on any draft class for a year or even years. Chill out naysayers and armchair critics. Better to be optimistic and happy and enjoying life! Why run around in misery over things you have no control over?
That's the point, what is this risk? That he will mentally shy away from contact? That when he runs over the middle he will be thinking "hope no one kicks me in the heart again"?
This kid showed his character by how he came back from the freak accident. This is why he shot back up the draft board, he showed no fear and fought back like a champ = CHARACTER. So he has great character, his film shows very good skills and top speed. Reggie said that in meetings he has a good football mind.....he isn't a Jamarcus, or a McClain or any other pick from the past 10 years...this kid is a champ, character wise and football wise....what else do you want?
JONES
So who do we take with the 42?
This is tricky. I know that Reggie liked his time with Robert Woods (WR, USC); he said he is not going to use the draft to fill needs, but get the best "football" guy available.
I still think this is where we go DT with Jonathan Hankins (Ohio State); but if he's still there and Robert Woods is there as well; I wouldn't be surprised if he selected Woods.
So help me god, if we take Manti Teo today my "Give Reggie the benefit of the doubt period" ends faster than DJ Hayden's 40 time.
The risk is we end up with another wasted 1st round pick.
It's a gamble, like any draft pick, with an added twist.
At this point, I have to stand behind the selection and root for the kid to come back at full speed and ready for contact.
Based on what he's been through, he'll need to have some kamikaze blood in him.
http://www.csnhouston.com/texans/dj-hayden-takes-call-raiders
http://www.csnhouston.com/ncaa/draft-central-dj-hayden-profile
http://www.csnhouston.com/texans/leila-rahimi-goes-1-1-dj-hayden
http://www.csnhouston.com/texans/haydens-trainer-talks-about-recovery-process
I love the "experts" who criticize the Raiders past draft picks yet were all on board with Gallery, Jamarcus, and McClain. Even Huff. I'm with Reggie. Getting the 2nd round pick was huge. There's a plan, at last!
NFL talent is developed, not acquired. You can't say til md season or maybe second season. So don't.
I'm no doctor but this sounds a bit extreme in terms of Hayden being fully recovered.
Corkran: "It’s a far cry from a few months ago, when Hayden said he became accustomed to regular IVs and needle pokes and wasn’t sure he would ever walk again, let alone play football."
Raiders selected Menelik Watson (OT, FSU) with the 42nd pick.
PFT says Watson is "raw" and needs to develop.
From PFT regarding the Jets selecting Geno Smith:
"If Mark Sanchez wasn’t on the hot seat already, it just went nuclear, as they found someone with more passing skills than Tim Tebow to push him."
That's funny!
Watson is a former basketball player.
Anyone see a pattern here? This is right where the Raiders left off last year.
There is no doubt we have the best basketball team in the NFL.
just watched the video press conf with Hayden. Worth watching... he is a very high character individual. It's impossible not to be moved by his story. The whole NFL and its fans will be watching this kid.
He also played soccer. Should have good foot work.
ALAMEDA, Calif. -- The Oakland Raiders have selected Connecticut linebacker Sio Moore in the third round of the NFL draft.
General manager Reggie McKenzie took Moore 66th overall in the draft on Friday. Oakland took offensive lineman Menelik Watson earlier in the day with its second round pick acquired when the team traded down nine spots in the first round before taking cornerback D.J. Hayden.
Moore had 72 tackles and eight sacks last season at UConn. He has 16 sacks, four interceptions, four forced fumbles and four fumble recoveries in 41 career college games.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clOSd1qVyas
3-4 ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwTNWjIbX_8
IMO, I see nothing wrong in this draft, so far. Hayden looks like the real deal, the OT looks like another Oher (Kid they made the movie about OT for the Ravens). Read his Bio and he was blowing through whatever level he was presented with. Howie's kid says he is the real deal, was his teammate.
Moore looks like a physical freak who wants to show that he is the best (according to himself). Physical skills with Football minds and desire to be the best.....looks damn good from here, so far.
JONES
Heard a great one today fellers, "The Raiders are like tampons; they are only good for one period, and there is no second string". Bahahhaahaaa!!!!
...which five games can someone please predict "W"'s? I'll be surprised with six. Sarcastic optimism rules!
1st rd - If Hayden gets over the mental hurdle of coming back from a life-threatening football injury, he can be a player.
2nd rd - Picked at the top of the 2nd round, Watson is a bit more puzzling. Athletic but very inexperienced and raw. I thought the theme going into the draft was to find players that could make an immediate impact. Watson seems more of a project player. On the surface, how is picking Watson different than selecting Bruce Campbell or Joseph Barksdale? And we still have Tony Bergstrom, who, along with Barksdale, couldn’t beat out a struggling Kalif Barnes at RT. Watson sounds the part in his PC; clearly conveying his desire to play.
3rd rd - Moore seems like a talented player but the Raiders already loaded their roster with free agent LBs, so this pick is a bit odd; perhaps more out of admiration to a player they coached in the Senior Bowl than it is based on team need. Too, it doesn’t instill much confidence in the plethora of free agent LB acquisitions.
I felt the same thing at first, is this really the best option at spot? I thought Hankins would have been a better pick.
But, at the same time, I see the thinking with Watson. They may be moving him to Guard. Easier position to handle and learn, especially for someone who is raw. Tackle is a tough position because of the footwork, arm position, and movement. Guard is easier because you in the movement and footwork, you mainly have to focus on the arm position in blocking. Yes, it may take some time, but the kid is teachable, coachable, and a tremendously quick learner.
JUST WIN, BABY!
Not sure about picking Tyler Wilson though. Not a very good QB.
So we gave up a second round pick for Matt Flyn. Then go pick up a questionable fourth round QB Tyler Wilson!? So what does that say about Flyn or Terrelle Pryor?? Wasted pick here.... Should of went after a defensive lineman, safety, or even a running back!!???
Read this about Tyler Wilson:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2013/04/05/tyler-wilson-arkansas-draft-bobby-petrino-terry-shea/2056841/
"1st rd - If Hayden gets over the mental hurdle of coming back from a life-threatening football injury"...
what mental hurdle? You keep mentioning as if it were a fact. The kid was out of the hospital in 6 days when they said it would be 6 weeks. He then put on his weight and built himself back to where he was and was ready for the draft....that is freakin amazing. By his own words he says that it was a freak injury and the odds are slim and none of it happening again. The kid is even MORE motivated...you are looking for negatives that are not there.
"On the surface, how is picking Watson different than selecting Bruce Campbell or Joseph Barksdale".....
have you researched the guy? from your past 'takes' I would say you haven't. To do what this guy has done in such a short period...the guy will be fine, he's had ace coaching since he began his football career and he is a very quick learner. Excellent feet, great hands....on the surface...why don't you try looking under the surface?
"Too, it doesn’t instill much confidence in the plethora of free agent LB acquisitions.".....
COMPETITION, this is what this regime is stressing at every position. INSTILLING COMPETITION is the key to a competitive team. It's not about favorites anymore, it's not about coddling the favorites...it's about making EVERYONE WORK FOR THEIR POSITION ON THE TEAM, this is how a winner is made.
JONES
I'm intrigued by the Tyler pick.
I don’t know that it says anything negative about Flynn or Pryor.
It likely says something about how “free-agency quarterbacks” have worked for us.
Send three guys into camp with the job up for the taking. I like it.
Nick Kasa
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=k9RdSSWC-SQ
Jones - I actually appreciate your toned down response to my take. I'm not trying to trash these guys. I'm just making what I think are fair observations; ones that I believe other folks may consider as well.
There's no question Hayden has big talent but even McKenzie stated his mental preparedness is at issue. If they were really concerned, they wouldn’t have drafted him. I look forward to seeing him play!
Regarding Watson, his advancement at the collegiate level is impressive, no doubt; but have you ever heard of him or watched him play before?
Raiders think they found a sleeper at QB. Wasn’t Tom Brady a late round pick?
Raiders know a lot more about these players than any of us. That’s what they get paid to do.
P.S. I'm not at all disappointed that the Raiders might enter the 2013 season with three inexperienced but talented QBs... a group with only like 3 NFL starts between them.
This team is rebuilding! Let the QB competition begin.
I think the "Tom Brady" sleeper QB in this draft may go undrafted; Colin Klein.
I think the Watson pick is a pick to move him inside to Guard. I said it before, he can focus on polishing his hand technique in that position without having to worry about Tackle pivots, and other things that may prevent him from improving.
I think he's a physical player, who played at in a tough conference with FSU, and was above average. Every player drafted is going to have some area to improve on; and I think Watson was a bold pick because they needed someone at Right Guard, and we found someone.
With their last pick, the Raiders select David Bass (DE, Mizz Western)
Jones, you want to cut Reggie some slack.
That's good, because so do I.
I've said all along, Reggie has tough job.
Reg basically took over an expansion team. He is building it from the dirt up.
And I know that Al Davis built some terrible teams the last ten yrs or so.
But I like to cut Al some slack as well.
After 40 yrs of winning, and 3 SB titles, I think he deserves as much.
00....and your point is?
JONES
so far from what i've seen and read, i think we had a good draft. that 2nd pick watson was a head-scratcher though. you pick starters in the 1st 3 rounds, not projects. anyway, we have him and i guess we should trust reggie. i like this kid rivera though. looks like he has good hands, decent speed. this round 6 kid latavius murray, he's a big back. is it me or does this guy remind me of napolean macallum? almost the same height, same running style... i'm excited about this coming training camp. there's gonna be some stiff competition. reggie did a great job maneuvering to get us more picks. things are lookin' up!
got this from twitter:
@CorkOnTheNFL: .@randycovitz is aboout to experience the wrath of Raider Nation after they see his draft grades. Here's the link: http://t.co/ClyGup6b2U …
@ least thisnguybgave us a good grade: http://nfl.si.com/2013/04/28/2013-nfl-draft-grades-jaguars-49ers-rams-top-the-class/?eref=sihp
As being reported by nfl.com, the Raiders have signed the following undrafted Free Agents. What's this have to do with anything, just google search undrafted players in NFL, and look at all the names on that list that made a significant impact in the game and HOF. Anywho, here are the players we've signed thus far:
Connor Vernon (WR, Duke)
Lamar Mady (OG, Youngstown State)
Willing to give RM some slack on this draft. I am concerned about the run stopping problems and not seeing it addressed personnel wise. Not even in the UFA.
yeah I remember when Big Al drafted JaMarcus Russell I knew it was the beginning of the end and some dude in my office, a Lions fan, no doubt, was bold enough to say that Russell was the future of the Oakland Raiders... well I guess he was right. I was the same then as I am now, Raider watcher who calls it like I see it without clinging to the glory days of old. I could tell just by looking at the look on chip Marcus Russell is face on draft day that he was going to be a lazy undisciplined expensive asset, and anybody and I mean anybody, who can't see that, well, that's just the way it is. bring a great article Sports Illustrated last year about your Marcus Russell before the supposed to come back pretty nice guy with some serious medical issues but nonetheless really nice guy just not a quarterback, like Tebow.
40 years of winning and three Super Bowl titles... like that's relevant today... Out.
Pardon the microphone typos...
Not that it really matters now, but immediately after Russell was drafted he said, "now it's time to get paid." I was happy Davis drafted him right to that point. What I never understood is why the Raiders didn't even attempted to negotiate with Russell before picking him, as was their right to do so, having the #1 pick. If they spent five minutes with Russell they would have picked Calvin Johnson. But Davis was determined to make the pick, despite his coach asking him not to.
One of the true lows in Raiders draft history.
If you haven't watched the ESPN video "DJ Hayden: Miracle and Dream" you need to. Amazing sorry. I'm sure physically he can play, but mentally can he take the hit? We will not know until pre-season.
Mentally can he take a hit? The guy beat death, came back to be as strong as ever....you think he will be scared of taking a hit? The Kid wants it and he came back and took it and Reggie gave him his reward. This kid is going to be a very good player for the Oakland raiders, book it.
JONES
Is anyone else thinking the Raiders D will be a 3-4 considering the depth at LB?
Calico,
I think you are on to something. With the shortage of depth on the line, and the glut of LBs...
If Davis had made these picks, and he probably woud have made most of them, most of you guys would gripe about what a loser Davis is for the next three months.
Don't we need a massive presence in the middle of the DL to support a 3-4 alignment? I don't see that right now.
Per McKenzie, they drafted according to rankings on their "board" and without regard for positions of need.
NYR,
You are right about the need for a massive NT for an effective 3-4. The closest we have to a possible NT is probably Christo Bilikudi.
A little buzz around the Internet for some of the 14 undrafted free agents the Raiders picked up. Last year they hit paydirt with Streeter. This year it might be Conner Vernon, WR from Duke. Apparently, he was at the Combine and didn't post as fast as other WRs but word is he runs exc routes and doesn't drop anything thrown his way. 283 catches in 4 years... including 85 catches and 8 TDs last year. A player to watch!
Other noteworthy undrafted free agents signed:
Adrian Bushell (5-10, 190) DB - Louisville: Posted 62 tackles (45 solo) and one interception as a senior at Louisville.
Deveric Gallington (6-3, 315) C - Texas Tech: Finished collegiate career making 38 consecutive starts on the offensive line. He started all 13 games as a senior and helped the team rush for 1,674 yards, the most for Texas Tech since 1998.
Kurt Taufa'asau (6-2, 300) DT - Wyoming: Played two years at Wyoming after transferring from New Mexico Military College. He played in seven games as a senior, totaling 22 tackles (13 solo) and 1½ tackles for loss.
Brian Leonhardt (6-5, 255) TE - Bemidji State: Played four years at Bemidji State. He ranked third on the team with 25 receptions for 343 yards and three touchdowns as a senior.
I see some complaints about not having a true NT for a 3-4 defense.
Johnny Jones out of Marshall (1 year experience in NFL) is a NT t 314 lbs. Someone mentioned Christo Bilukidi who is at 320 lbs. Pat Sims at 310 lbs. Vance Walker at 305. The last 2 have 4 and 5 years respectively.
I post their weight because Warren Sapp started his career in Tampa in a 3-4 system as a NT, and he weighed between 295-300 lbs during his NFL career. It can be done with the right group. I think Sims, Walker, and Bilukidi will compete for the NT position.
Weight is not the issue, and neither really is NFL experience. It takes a special individual to plug the middle.
Plus, you need solid (bigger) LBs that can take on 300+ guards and tackles.
I don't see the Raiders playing 3-4... and certainly not just because they drafted a LB and overloaded the LB position group.
Cork agrees NYR with his projections:
OFFENSE
WR Moore
LT Veldheer
LG Bergstrom
C Wisniewski
RG Brisiel
RT Menelik Watson
WR Streater
TE Mychal Rivera
QB Matt Flynn
FB Reece
RB McFadden
DEFENSE
DE Andre Carter
DT Pat Sims
DT Vance Walker
DE Houston
WLB Burris
MLB Nick Roach
SLB Kaluka Maiava
CB Mike Jenkins
CB Tracy Porter
FS Usama Young
SS Branch
SPECIALISTS
K Janikowski
P Marquette King
LS Condo
KR Jacoby Ford
PR Ford
I think this has been one of the most interesting offseasons in a long time. A draft with a purpose, going after quality free agents, building a different culture; we're not in Kansas anymore!
As far as the projected starting lineup, Cork puts in the people who has the most experience (exception of Watson at RT).
I'm going to make some bold predictions about the starters.
I think Watson starts at Guard, not Tackle. Willie Smith will start at RT. I think Bilukidi starts over Walker, Burnett or Sio Moore starts over Maiava, Tracy Porter moves to Nickelback and Hayden starts at CB.
I think Brice Butler or Criner starts over Streater. Latavius Murray is our short yardage back. Ford will return kicks, and Connor Vernon will return punts. I think most of us will be surprised by what they do. But the bottom line is....
JUST WIN, BABY!
Nothing the Raiders do in terms of starting lineup should surprise anyone. Their revamped roster is filled with rookies, inexperienced players and low-priced free agents.
Watson may play guard but Smith couldn't beat out Barnes at RT last year... which isn't likely to change this year.
Using (having) Murray for short yardage would be great. McFadden is not a good short yardage RB.
I predict Vernon as slot WR, based on reports of his excellent route running and hands. I think Streater gets elevated to starter opposite Moore. If that happens, and it's possible, that's two undrafted FAs in the Raiders top 3 WRs. Criner will need to get back to preseason form from last year to make a move on this group.
It would be nice to see Hayden earn the starting spot at game 1.
Will Smith will NOT be the starting RT, he was sat as soon as Barnes was healthy last year. Between Smith and Briesel, the right side of the O-line was embarrassing last year. Should have a new RG this year and Barnes should be the starter at RT.
I see a speed rusher spelling DE in passing downs. There is no way Maiava is going to be a starting LB, he is for depth and special teams. Jobs are going to be won and lost during the preseason, it's impossible to predict who will start this year at most positions. Let the competition begin.
JONES
For what it is worth (not much), my starting projections would be different from Corks, as follows;
WLB Burnett over Miles
SLB Sio Moore over Maiava
DB Hayden over Jenkins
After hearing how uncommited Oak has been, it's no freaking wonder Tom Brady has as many SB rings as the HomeLand Faders. Some of you are cool, but given this crowds hyper myopic nostalgic attitude, well, adios amigoes. Say what I expect you. Or, not. Take, you deserve better. Out.
Hi there,
I've posted on here on a couple of occasions but remained mostly a lurker.
Just wanted to thank all of you for your opinions, however heated some may be. I come here to get a knowledgeable fan's perspective.
It's only the beginning of May and yet, I can't wait until pre-season when I can see what our new players can do. Although there's a part of me that looks at the lineup and is sad that I only recognize a handful of names, the largest part of me is looking forward to the future. For years, I've read about how Al needed a GM, how he needed to stop doing trades, stop mortgaging the future, stop being part of the problem. And now, 2014 is truly the first year the last of Al's influences is gone.
Now maybe I'm too much of an optimist (I was one who actually liked what Tom Cable did) but I see nothing but good steps that Reggie's taken. So thank you all for educating me more about my favorite team and I look forward to reading more what you all have to say about each move the Raiders make.
And thank you, RaiderTake for providing such a venue.
Handing the ball off to you, you sound like me in 1994! Stay positive but real.
Resigned Idealist, you just made my day, thank you! Keep those takes coming!
Willie Smith struggled because we were running a freaking ZBS system. He is a power blocker, which is why I think he will stand out over Barnes and start at RT. Barnes is overall lazy to me, and quite frankly, I'm surprised that we didn't find a better replacement. But I'm not there everyday either.
I thik we go to a hybrid defensive scheme where we run both the 4-3 and the 3-4. I do think we have the personell to do both. I think we are going to surprise some people this year. I'm not looking for improvement, I'm looking for playoffs. Anything less is going to be disappointing to me.
JUST WIN, BABY!
Barnes is a serviceable player, either as a backup or a starter by default. From what interviews I've seen with him and other players, Barnes is also a positive influence in the locker rooom. These attributes might be what compelled the Raiders to re-sign him. His performance on the field is average at best, as he regularly gets called for false starts, struggles with blocking assignments, etc.
It's possible Smith will do better with power blocking, but I seem to remember he whiffed badly many times in pass blocking too.
The Raiders best chance to improve at RT is if one of the younger players can step up.
I think the Raiders coaching staff will give rookie M. Watson every chance to unseat Barnes at RT.
Got my birthday present yesterday and it is air fare and hotel to Dallas for the game. My wife obviously loves me to indulge my Raider madness to this degree.
I will also be driving down to Indy for the opener from Chicago. I would love to meet up with any Raider Takers. Let me know.
memdf2004@gmail.com
memdf,
I'm trying to get tickets to the Dallas game for Turkey Day, for me and my son. Living in TX, it's not easy.
Unless you're talking about the preseason game.
49ers (stadium ownership) signed a mega deal with Levies for the naming rights for their new stadium. They seem to have everything in place.
Part of what the Raiders need to bring themsleves out of the dark ages is a new stadium. Perhaps that will come after winning begins, but the Raiders easily have one of the most outdated venues in professional sports.
Doesn't their stadium lease expire after the 2013 season? That means another interim lease and perhaps several more years before something is really done.
nyraider,
this is what i fear - a return to LA. after so many years of losing, the fans here deserve a shot at keeping "OUR" team here in the bay area. from what i've read so far, mark davis is committed to this cause.
now, IF mark davis can't get anything done, i for one feel that we should share a stadium with the whiners. nothing wrong with that, especially if the league isn't planning on helping to pitch in for one. this is a different time, a different economy. i mean, larry ellison isn't gonna step up anytime soon and build us a stadium. the jet/giants share and that situation has never been a problem.
so let's hope they can get something done and soon...
WOW,}}}}}
Raiders CEO Amy Trask, a long-time member of the organization and the only high-level female executive in the league who isn’t related to team ownership (other than Dolphins V.P. of football administration Dawn Aponte), has resigned from the organization.
She informed owner Mark Davis of the decision earlier today.
“Having honored a commitment that I made to effectuate a smooth transition and transfer of control, I no longer wish to remain with the organization,” Trask said in an email distributed to multiple members of the media.
“For over a quarter of a century, it was my honor and my privilege to work for the Raiders. I will forever appreciate the opportunity afforded me by Al Davis.”
The commitment mentioned by Trask presumably refers to a promise made to the late owner of the team, who died in 2011.
Trask always displayed genuine passion for the Raiders and for her work on the team’s behalf, zealously defending the fans against accusations of misbehavior and aggressively attempting to help the organization be viewed in a favorable light. Her future plans aren’t clear, but the other 31 NFL organizations should immediately consider where she could fit in the current hierarchy — especially the team on the other side of the San Francisco Bay.
Good luck to Amy Trask...the last pillar to the old way. It is now Mark's team and he has made it very clear how he wants to run it.
T.Wilson sounds like he is going to be challenging for the starting position. Pryor may as well forget it, he is slowly being removed from the picture. I don't think this regime wants a Read Option Offense. They want a drop back, tough guy with a big arm and it looks like Wilson fits that bill.
This Rookie class looks like it can be a cornerstone to building this team....the season can't come soon enough. The team is under steady leadership, something that has been missing for a long time. THIS is how a good team is built and the Raiders are looking well on their way to being a force....GO RAIDERS.
JONES
Jones-totally agree.
The systems, philosophy, standards, people and accountability are being put in place for long term success. Listening to the new rookie guys "sound off", I am struck by their intelligence, awareness, eagerness, humility, focus and apparent desire to work hard for their goals. That's something I don't remember being impressed by in the previous 10 years. I hate to use this example, and yet it's very appropriate: Bill Walsh and 49ers went 2-14, 6-10 and then won their first Super Bowl. Walsh installed a "corporate culture" of winning that continues today, built on evolving modern concepts of team and organizational excellence. It's working for the other long-term successful franchises like Green Bay, New England, Atlanta and others.
I expect we will see significant improvement in the competitiveness of our team this year over last year and previous versions. It may not translate into a winning record this year, but it will set the foundation for future playoff/Super Bowl runs. It took Gruden three years to reach the playoffs, but there was a big difference between his first 8-8 team and the second 8-8 team. By then he had his quarterback Rich Gannon and systems installed, the players were buying in and the final victory, an emotional, tough overtime win in KC, provided the springboard for the playoff season the following season. I was at the AFC championship game in Oakland when we had the heartbreaking butt-kicking by the Ravens. Disappointed, I was also happy that the Raiders seemed headed in the right direction. We know how that turned out, though.
Al Davis was ahead of his time and cutting edge 40-50 years ago. That's when I became a fan. I loved those teams with the Snake, Blanda, Biletnikoff, Casper, Tatum, Willie Brown, Branch, Casper and Hendricks. Those days are long gone. Others learned from Al and continued to innovate and bring modern organizational theories. Al stayed true to his way, God bless him.
But today is a new day in Raiderland and I see Reggie and DA setting the foundation for years of successful, playoff bound teams.
GO RAIDERS!
I believe we will see a drastically different Raiders ball club, from the attitude, to how they play the game, to how they respond to adversity, and more importantly, how they respond to each other.
Regardless of how many games we win or lose, make no mistake about it; this team will be competitive and I believe will spark fear in their opponents. I was impressed with the draft, and I can't wait to see this group play with the vets. The Raiders return to glory begins this year, and autumn can't come quick enough for me; but I feel it's breeze.
JUST WIN, BABY!
You get the feeling from reading the posts above and across the Internet that perhaps this isn’t your typical Raiders off-season, with fans sharing visions of grandeur about the upcoming season. This one has some bite to it, with the Raiders creating a new foundation for themselves.
I’m prepared for the Raiders to struggle a little this year for the greater good, provided it doesn’t become another write-off like last year. IMO, there needs to be steady improvement across the board.
..."perhaps this isn’t your typical Raiders off-season, with fans sharing visions of grandeur about the upcoming season.".....
I think Raider fans are recognizing that this regime is the real deal. It's dawning on them that it is no longer what it was.
Last year was a mess and blaming the new regime because they didn't go to the playoffs 1st year coming in, was/is unreasonable. Reggie and Co. are cleaning it up and bringing in CHARACTER and football players. It's so good to see after years and years of "fastest guy" and "no such thing as chemistry"...it's all new to Raider fans and many are realizing that the ship is indeed being turned around.
JONES
Hey, I have a thought on the Raiders stadium stuff. They can move to Anaheim, and call themselves the Los Angeles Raiders of Anaheim! Sorry, couldn't help myself, besides that sounds like something the Chargers would do.
I think the Raiders stay, but they get to renovate it to a complete football stadium, especially if Oakland leaves for San Jose, or somewhere (is that still going to happen?). If the A's stay, make it a Multi-sport complex, and give the A's a new "smaller" stadium there. Just sayin.
2016.
Raiders make C Woodson an offer, I would love to see C Wood back in Silver and Black! That would be AWESOME! T Porter, Jenking, Hayden, and C Wood! AWESOME! Make it happen.
JUST WIN, BABY!
Woodson is past his prime. Nope.
SCAR
Woodson would bring LEADERSHIP to the locker room. He would be able to pass on Knowledge. If Woodson Joins the Raiders will he be able to earn playing time? I think so. I am glad the Raiders offered, and hopefully C-Wood signs with the Raiders!
SCAR
Call me ignorant....I wonder if Reggie is doing Chuck a favor by announcing that he has offered him a contract? Trying to create a market for him? It's odd that a leak has come out offering a contract and probably not Reggie's normal 'M.O.'.
I think Chuck wants more than Reggie can spare and who knows if Chuck would want to revisit his days in Oakland. He would be a leader that the Raiders need. He was playing at a high level before being injured....and it would be cool to see him back in Black....just don't think he would want to step back in time....but who knows.
JONES
The Raiders made receiver/kick returner Josh Cribbs an offer last week at the outset of his post-Cleveland U.S. tour. After visiting three other teams, Cribbs has decided to accept it.
Per a source with knowledge of the situation, Cribbs has agreed to terms with the Raiders.
Cribbs also visited the Giants, Jets, and Lions. Jets G.M. John Idzik recently said that Cribbs’ injured knee “isn’t quite there yet,” which in all fairness could be a reaction to Cribbs’ belief that the Jets’ offer wasn’t quite there yet.
Cribbs leaves the Browns after eight seasons. His full role in Oakland isn’t yet known; the former Kent State quarterback initially made his mark as a return specialist, but he never fully became the kind of weapon on offense the Browns thought/hoped he’d be.
Linebacker Rolando McClain hasn’t been released by the Ravens, but he won’t be playing for them in 2013.
Ravens General Manager Ozzie Newsome announced Wednesday that McClain, who was arrested for disorderly conduct last month, is retiring from the NFL.
“Rolando let me know that he plans to retire from the NFL,” Newsome said in a statement from the team. “We have placed him on the Reserve/Retired list.”
McClain’s arrest was the latest in a series of run-ins with law enforcement that have checkered McClain’s brief professional career. He also wound up being asked to stay away from the Raiders for several games at the end of last season after a blow-up with coach Dennis Allen. The Raiders released him in early April and it all adds up to a rapid fall for the eighth overall pick of the 2010 draft.
Since McClain is just 23, it seems inevitable that we’ll hear rumblings about McClain wanting to make a comeback in the next couple of years. He might get a shot, but it will be a much longer one than the one he blew over the last few years.
Jones,
That's an interesting conjecture. I wondered why/how the press reported on an offer to Woodson as well, considering the new regime's tight-lipped attitude re: deals. Still, I'd rather see Woodson as a Raider not opposite us twice a year.
The Josh Cribbs signing will be a good one, despite Idzik's opinion. Anon, you're probably right in that it's sour grapes. What I wonder though, is will this create competition with returns, or is Jacoby Ford out, like some on Twitter are predicting.
My opinion is that these leaks are through the players' agents/players trying to increase the market value of their clients. It's not from Reggie or the Raiders, since it is detrimental to their own agenda (i.e., signing the player to the team). It would be unethical and possible fraudulent for Reggie to put a contract out there just to help Woodson in his cause. Where would Reggie be then if no one stepped forward to sign C. Wood? He'd be screwed. And the NFL would not be a bit happy about such shenanigans.
With such a high value draft choice Hayden coming in at CB, what better situation than to have one of the best helping to school him? C. Wood would raise the play level of the entire secondary if not the entire defense. He was a very different player in Green Bay than in Oakland. More disciplined, mature, studying the game, etc. I think it would be fantastic to bring him on.
Sactown....just because Reggie put an offer on the table....doesn't mean he has to sign him. It's like that show 'Storage Wars'...Reggie is throwing out the 1st Bid to get it started. Nothing unethical or fraudulent about it, IMO.
JONES
Would love to see CWood back in Silver and Black. He is a versatile defender in that he can rush the passer, play corner, or safety.
My best guess is that our hated rivals the Donkeys will sign him and I know that CWood wants to go to a SB Contender.
In the meantime, it is nice to dream about a secondary of;
CB Hayden
CB Porter
FS Woodson
SS Branch
NB Jenkins
I don't agree that he is old and not in the same form either. I mean, he had 13 interceptions last season. Yes, he's battled the injury bug; but we could use 13 INTs.
Word is we have made an offer to P Kris Kluwe. I hope not, I would like to give King a shot; I don't want to see young players cut because we signed a punter.
Signing P Kluwe for the vet's min. deal and Cribbs for a 1 year contract was good business.
Kluwe and Cribbs are upgrades and the special teams have been improved without shelling out long-term big dollars.
I see Chuck is coming in for a visit...Reggie really seems to be able to get a message across to players that he wants....here's to hoping it will work with Chuck.
When he left the team, I was glad to see him go, at that time, Chuck was all about the cash and ego. Now he is about 'doing it the right way' and putting in the work. He would be an excellent addition to help along the 1st pick in this years draft. All 3 CB's, Porter, Jenkins and Hayden would benefit greatly with Chuck on the team.
JONES
@Jones--
Totally agree on Sir Charles...and on Reggie. And let's not forget DA. Although many in the Raider Nation seem to be down on DA, he is highly respected amongst NFL 'insiders'. Obviously, the players who are staying/coming in like him and want to play for him. I believe we will see a tough, disciplined, smart and competitive team from DA and his staff (which is also becoming impressive).
Sactown, yes, I agree with DA assessment. The guy was a 1st yr HC, comes on to a team with little time to create a staff and try to get a handle on what players were there. He had no reference to go from, nobody in the Org who could give him good info on the players, that Man had passed away.
So he came in blind with a thrown together staff and as we see now, a roster full of players who were below avg talent wise and commitment wise.
Again there is heavy roster turnover, but the attitudes and talent are much better than last year. DA was able to set what he wants and now that the dead weight is gone, it's time to roll forward. Yes, this will be the year that DA will show whether he can be a HC or not. Last year cannot be used in evaluation, IMO.
JONES
Anyone who knows football knows Chuck Wood is Chucked Wood. Get real, Fable Nation.
Talented young Desmond Bryant arrested and let go to make big bucks elsewhere. McClain retires from football following his recent arrests. Now Mike Goodson arrested and facing heavy charges in New Jersey. I think Reggie knows character flaws over God given talent pretty well!
CWood is a winner. I would make the case that there hasn't been a better DB in the past 15 years.
CWood's production in tackling, rushing the passer and INTs is excpetional. As a FS, he is a great fit for the Raiders.
CWood is, and will always be, better than Nnamdi.
I like the move here, bring him in Reggie. JUST WIN, BABY!
New take is up: Addition by Subtraction.
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