It's Hot Stove Time
So word on the street is that Rodger Safford failed his physical, so the deal is off, and a hole has re-opened on our offensive line.
Yes, it's early. Yes, free agency is a marathon, not a sprint. But it never hurts to start strong.
Here's where my patience is being tested...
From the perspective of the GM position, wouldn't slashing the payroll, getting the financial house in order and notching two 4-12 seasons in the process be relatively easy?
What wouldn't be easy is being shrewd in coaching hires, in the draft, and in free agency along the way to keep the ball moving forward for a quicker turnaround. And I don't see evidence that we've done much of that over the past two years.
If I tell you to cut your grocery bill by 40 percent, it's painful, but not hard to do. You just spend less.
But cooking a great meal on that smaller budget? Now that's where the chef shines or fails.
Chef Reggie needs to get cooking, even though he just lost another ingredient.
Yes, it's early. Yes, free agency is a marathon, not a sprint. But it never hurts to start strong.
Here's where my patience is being tested...
From the perspective of the GM position, wouldn't slashing the payroll, getting the financial house in order and notching two 4-12 seasons in the process be relatively easy?
What wouldn't be easy is being shrewd in coaching hires, in the draft, and in free agency along the way to keep the ball moving forward for a quicker turnaround. And I don't see evidence that we've done much of that over the past two years.
If I tell you to cut your grocery bill by 40 percent, it's painful, but not hard to do. You just spend less.
But cooking a great meal on that smaller budget? Now that's where the chef shines or fails.
Chef Reggie needs to get cooking, even though he just lost another ingredient.
posted by Raider Take at 7:46 PM
169 Comments:
Hey maybe loosing Saffold is a blessing in disguise given Reggie way overpaid for a guard.
After Reggie blames Al for this mistake can we void Reggie's contract now that would be helpful
Yeah, get out the projector, and get rid of Reggie, with cause.
Like I said, massive cap space is overrated.
Raiders are a 4 win team with Dennis who ? as head coach.
Reggie sales pitch...DUYAWANTTAPLAYFEETBALLFOR WE....SPEAKS FOR ITSELF.
All that cap money, and who cares ?
Raiders own players don't want to stay.
Outside FA's don't want to come.
All that's left is to give away the money to broken down lemons like Saffold, and Mcfadden.
Meanwhile, the top FA's are running to the winners.
And the winners are finding the cap room. Why ?...
Beacause they are winners.
Not organizations that actually "planned" to lose 12 games.
Pathetic.
Yup. they suck.
Vic Tafur @VicTafur · 1h
Reggie McKenzie and Dennis Allen are out to dinner with Lamarr Woodley and Justin Tuck.
A big ticket FA fails his physical -- and is cut. And?
We aren't sprinting out to overpay FAs who just want a big paycheck -- And?
Not a fantastic start to free agency but we are 2 days into it and some Raider fans are flinging themselves off the cliff.
When our 53 man roster is finalized in August is the time to make an objective assessment on the overall personnel.
Yes Jack, that would seem to be the level headed thing to do. It's the same FREAK outs every year. Must be a habit. It's such a huge task and having the other teams getting extra dough this year did hurt the chances of landing a big name because the winning teams now had space to get a guy who wants to contend for the Bowl. It took away many big names, Even though Reggie said he would never be a big spender in F.A.....the NFL never lets an opportunity to screw the Raiders pass them by....much like the toughest schedule this year. Still lots of talent out there, plenty of cash, don't kill yourselves yet.
JONES
Calico, you must know something I don't.
Don't you see what is happening ?
The best FA's have gone to the good teams.
Yes, it's early, but already, there's not much meat left on the bone.
For example. Darrell Revis is probably the best FA available.
Word is Raiders are interested, and so are the Pats.
Raiders can offer more money, but Pats can offer playoffs.
So where do you think Revis will go ?
Meanwhile, clueless Reggie is chasing after a bunch of short term, 30 something, fixes, like Justin Tuck.
I'm hearing names like "Mr. Pick 6", Matt Schaab, and "Mr Butt Fumble", Mark Sanchez.
You've got to be kidding me.
Who should he get?
JONES
"Who should he get?"
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Well Jones, that's kind of a curious qestion for you to ask.
Because for 2 yrs, you were telling all to be patient.
That the 8 wins, and deconstructing, was worth all the cap space Reggie was creating.
That come the 2014 FA period, the qestion wasn't, who should we get, but rather, how many ?
But now we see that, Man cannot live by cap space alone.
A team has to have something besides money, and great uniforms to lure the top talent away.
Because the top FA's, it seems, would rather take less money, and dress like clowns, in Denver.
But ok, I'll play along. Reggie should sign Darrell Revis.
Raiders have the money, and he's the best FA left on the board.
He's still in his 20's, a top corner, which we need, and a great guy for DJ Hayden to learn from.
After 8 wins in 2 years, I would like to see Hayden, & Revis as Raiders starting Corners next year.
Am I asking the impossible ?
Calico and Jones have preached patience but the facts are the facts. The Raiders have gotten worse in the last week not better. They lost a great young LT and probably the team's best player as well as the team's best defensive player. The Saffold thing was embarrassing no matter how gets spun.
Come on guys lets call it like it is. In two years Reggie has yet to add one single stud or building block. In fact he has lost two building blocks.
Sorry I would love the Raiders to be improving but Reggie is a failure and the only ones who seems to feel that is not the case is Calico and Jones. Every blog, every writer, every fan is either laughing at Reggie or calling for his head.
And signing Tuck or Woodley does not equal the subtractions that have taken place. I have read Reggie got rid of Veldheer because he was one of Al's guys if that is true that is really messed up. Veldheer was a hard worker and a great and improving player. Is Reggie's ego so bigit trumps his common sense? Apparently so
No way they have a winning record this year.
Jones your right about one thing we are freaking out. And why not? Two 4-12 seasons, no QB, no defensive line literary. Consider that the Raiders don't have one starting d-lineman under contract. Is that not a reason to be concerned? The team should be adding quality players not loosing our two best.
At least 12 starting positions on the Raiders are open and the 10 that are filled are a bunch of maybes (Watson, Hayden) average NFL starters (Moore, Branch, Roach, etc) or retreads or losers (Briesel, Barnes). The Raiders have one above average player that is Reece who they dont even know how to use.
So you right we are panicking and its about time
Good article by Kawakami
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2014/03/12/raiders-update-a-failed-physical-crucial-wasted-time-just-another-piece-chipped-away-from-mckenzies-benefit-of-the-doubt/
He gets it right Reggie has not hit on one free agent signing or draft pick in two years
Losing Veldheer and Saffold the way the Raiders did is borderline incompetence. Does anyone think Veldheer was overpaid in his new contract? Sure, I can wait and see how the roster shapes up, but these happenings don't sit well.
McKenzie screwed up.
nyraider
This is being reported:
Jim Thomas of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch explains that the Raiders decided Saffold needs “immediate” surgery on the shoulder. Saffold’s agent, Alan Herman, isn’t happy about that.
“Rodger told us that the Raiders’ doctor examined him and said, ‘You’re fine,’” Herman told Thomas. The next day, the Raiders said otherwise, with G.M. Reggie McKenzie apologizing, as Herman said, “profusely” for the decision not to proceed with a contract.
“I shared my displeasure in very strong terms,” Herman said. “[Co-agent] Jared [Fox] and I were sitting there in disbelief. We got out of the building and we got back to the hotel.”
Mike Silver is reporting that Mark Davis nixed the deal. But to say that the talent in Tackle and Guard is gone is absurd! Do you think MD didn't want him because of DeMarcus Ware signing in Denver? Do you think MD is forcing RM to upgrade to counter the Von Miller/Ware combo? I do.
The Raiders still have viable options at Tackle. I think their plan all along was to draft Jake Long, which is why they were able to let Veldheer go. Michael Oher is still available. Anthony Collins is thinking over 3 options from the Panthers, Bucs, and Bengals. Meaning we could sweep in, offer a little more, and get a solid LT.
Saffold was coming in to play LG, so there are still LGs available. Joseph Davin hasn't signed anywhere. He was scheduled to visit the Rams, and the Rams nixed it to sign Saffold back. The same with Daryn Colledge; so both of those guys are still looking because of the Saffold debacle.
Does this look good for the Raiders? Hell no! It's embarrassing. Does this kill our options? Hell no! We still have time to bring in people.
I'm disappointed that Tuck has left without signing. I hope Antoine Smith signs. Woodley left without signing too, and is on his way to Tennessee. There is still Hatcher coming to visit; and Allen is still looking. Let's give 'em a ring-a-ding!
Raider Nate there plan was to draft Jake Long. Who are you talking about Jake Long plays for the Rams and was drafted by the Dolphins like 6years ago. Oher is a RT and not a pro bowler. Sorry man loosing Veldheer is a complete screwup. Now they have to draft a LT which prevents them from drafting defense or the other 15 positions of need. The Raiders need to add players not loose good young ones.
Reggie is a fool and there is no denying this. If Mark Davis killed the deal good for him. It stopped Reggie from offering more guaranteed money to a guard than Brandon Albert got. Think about that. The contract they offered Saffold was ridiculous.
The top free agents are gone. Reggie fell asleep his grand plan that was two years in the making was no plan at all. Now the Raiders will have to overpay for middling not int heir prime players like Jason Tuck.
Guys lets just be honest this was the Raiders chance and they blew it. They lost two very good young players and gained a RT from the Jets.
I don't understand this "we've got all the time in the world" mentality.
A ton of available talent is now already locked up. The window is narrowing rapidly:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/05/the-free-agent-hot-100-3/
We need to gain a strong left tackle, a strong defensive end, and a workhorse running back just to get back to where we started two days ago, do we not?
Nate 75,
As far as I can see, there is no LT currently available, as good as the one we lost, Veldheer.
With Revis off the board, all that is left for Raiders is crumbs on the floor.
Look, this was suppose to be the start of the rebuilding phase.
But clueless Reggie is now running around trying to replace players he lost 2 days ago.
We still have to replace, Veldheer, Houston.
And guess what ? Reggie still needs to find a RB, cause the one he signed, Mcfragile, never plays.
Hey, maybe the plan is to win no games this year.
Just think of all the cap space we'll have then, LOL!!!!!!
Personnel wise, this isn't the end of the world. If the Raiders want a blue chip Left Tackle, there will be one available to them at Pick #5. Or hey, how about looking to the SECOND ROUND PICK THAT YOU TRADED DOWN TO AQUIRE LAST YEAR. Have they given up on THAT draft pick already too?
What bothers me the most about these type of situations is the Raiders always refuse to get out there in front of the problem. Blessing in disguise or not, this is a huge embarrassment for a professional sports franchise. You would think there would be at least SOME effort to get the Raiders side of the story out there, right?
But no, the only two people to weigh in on the details so far are Mike Silver and the spurned player's AGENT, who's stories are immediately taken as Gospel because there's nothing out there to refute them.
The secrecy and paranoia coming out of Alameda is as bad as ever.
Derrick, that's a fair point about taking a left tackle in the draft, but at this stage of the team's so-called "rebuilding," shouldn't we be adding key players, not replacing them. If you keep Veldheer at LT, you then use #5 on another need.
As of today, with Houston, Veldheer and Jennings gone, wouldn't you have to say that our our terrible roster has gone backwards?
Let's say you want to take two steps forward. If you take two steps back, you'll now need FOUR steps to get there.
Doesn't seem like we're the type of team that can afford to be doing that.
What about the fact Saffold went back to the Rams for half of what the Raiders offered him. What kind of ass contract was Reggie offering this guy to start with. I hope Mark did pull the plug on this one.
Raider Take you got it right this was the moment we waited two years for and unbelievably Reggie has made the team worse. How did this happen?
I think we can all safely conclude Reggie is finished with the Raiders and I say fantastic
"I think we can all safely conclude Reggie is finished with the Raiders and I say fantastic"
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If only this were true, Anon.
Reggie still has the draft to screw up.
I meant Jake Matthews, not Jake Long.
Reggie had TWO YEARS to prepare for this moment. His plan all along was to release the whole team and start over with plenty of cap space in 2014. We're all here at the designated meeting point, but where is the Rudderless Reggie?
And why all this Reggie love for players who can't stay off the injury list?
If Reggie is going to be in charge of our draft room, it's going to be another 10 years in the wilderness.
Safford didn't make "Half" of what he was offered in Oakland. He is set to make $31 million, 5 year, with $19.5 guaranteed (compared to $42.5, 5 year, $21 guaranteed from Raiders). And he still has to pass physical for the Rams.
Shelley Smith, Davin Joseph, Daryn Colledge are still available at LG. Draft Jake Matthews for LT, or sign Charles Brown/Michael Oher. Charles Brown is the LT from the Saints, btw.
There are still options. If they had questions about his health, then I applaud them for doing it. Silver reporting that his agents were baffled because the Raiders dr. gave an all clear, doesn't mention if the Raiders' dr. said, "He could go without buuuuut....."
Look, it is bad, yes. I'm not disagreeing with that. But it is not the end of the world either. I'm more disappointed that the Raiders did not sign any of the defensive players that came yesterday (Tuck/Woodley) and are allowing Woodley to go visit Tennessee.
We still have Antoine Smith coming in, and Jason Hatcher. Anthony Spencer and Jared Allen are still looking too. To be honest, I was hoping to land Michael Johnson. I think the Bucs getting him has been the best move in FA so far. Yes, I do think the Bucs have made the best moves in FA to date (even more than the Doncos).
The bottom line, we need two DE's; and possibly 2 new DT's because it looks like Sims is going to Tennessee.
We lost a chance to meet with Chris Clemons, but Walter Thurmond, Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie (if he doesn't retire), Tracy Porter, Javier Arenas, Cortland Finnegan, Dimitri Patterson, and Captain Munnerlyn are still available at CB; but some of those, the window may be closing soon.
The bottom line, if we drag our feet, and continue to not be aggressive through the weekend, we will lose out on these guys; then I will be pissed.
How about our skill positions with guys like Decker, Sproles, Nicks, Golden Tate, Ben Tate gone or going soon. I'm looking forward to acquiring a playmaker or two, because we need them. Can't stuff all of our needs into one draft.
Raider Nate 75 the major problem with letting Veldheer and Houston go was it opened up more holes in a team that already had many.
Would it not be nice if we could chat about what WR or CB to sign. Instead the Raiders are scrambling to fill holes that should not have been there.
Why did Reggie not retain Sims and Houston then you sign a Jason Tuck and your line is looking improved. Instead there is no DL at the moment. IS there another team in the NFL that does not have one starting DL on their roster. To me that is unreal.
I appreciate your positive spin but man, Davin Joseph 4 years ago he was great he is well past hi prime if we were signing him depth or to replace Briesel that would be okay. Now its mediocre guys like which will be our big score in free agency.
Come on man the situation is awful. Its only because we all love the Raiders so much that some of us are still tryiing to look on the bright side.
Here is the reality
NO starting defensive lineman
NO left tackle
Retreads and both guard positions
NO viable QB option
1 CB who missed half the year
NO FS
AND WITH THE FIRST PICK OF THE 2015 NFL DRAFT THE RAIDERS TAKE _________
The word I heard is that McKenzie let Veldeer go because he wants to move Watson (who was injured almost all of his rookie season) over to LT. To me THAT would be a stupid move. Watson may be a physical freak but he has one years worth of college experience under his belt. He's not ready to protect a franchise QB. Saffold was supposed to play LG. But Saffold has missed 35% of his playing time in the last three years. The only NFL starter who has miss more time is DMC, who Reggie made sure he signed on the first day of FA.
If Mark Davis had something to do with this, it is that he said he wouldn't pay 21 million guaranteed for a player who has missed 35% of his starts. That's exactly when an owner SHOULD intervene.
AND WITH THE FIRST PICK OF THE 2015 NFL DRAFT THE RAIDERS TAKE _________
Vic Tafur @VicTafur
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Justin Tuck, Lamarr Woodley and Jason Hatcher are back in the building. Can Reggie McKenzie get all three done? #Raiders
11:02 AM - 13 Mar 2014
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After giving the Giants a chance to improve their offer, DE Justin Tuck is accepting a two-year, $11 million deal with the Oakland Raiders.
12:01 PM - 13 Mar 2014
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One down … “@AdamSchefter: DE Justin Tuck is accepting a two-year, $11 million deal with the Oakland #Raiders
So what Jason Tuck is not as good as Houston at this point in their career or if you want to be generous its an even swap at best. Hatcher is above average. Woodley does not excite me. At least we would have a couple of d-lineman, I guess that is a start
Houston had 6 sacks...how many did Tuck have at TACKLE? AND, Tuck signed under a better contract...STFU.
He is listed as an end but plays tackle as well, he had 11 sacks last year....looks better than Houston to me. Just like all Raider players, Raider fans always over rate them....time will show who was the better signing but I like this one for sure....more to come.
JONES
According to Adam Schefter of ESPN, Tuck gave the Giants a chance to sweeten their offer, and when they declined, he accepted a two-year, $11 million deal from the Raiders.
While it’s a bit of a face-saving move for the Raiders after last night’s embarrassing Rodger Saffold debacle, being so blatantly used as leverage, and then settled for, is kind of embarrassing in its own right.
Veld hired his BROTHER to deal with Reggie...something wasn't right in Veld's camp either, he wanted out, as much as Reggie didn't want him...forget about it, we may never know the true story, he's gone, moves are being made to improve the team. Wait for them to be completed and then cry your little heart out. Premature whining is very irritating.
JONES
Tuck at a better contract than Houston is a great move and all those doubters that said players won't come here...like Nap Kaufman said....WATCH.
JONES
Justin Tuck said he is surprised to be a Raider:
"I did not see this coming, It wasn't on my radar. But I am excited. I like the direction of this team and the history of the Raiders, and I just want to be a part of it."
Jones you are the only one on the planet who is still supporting Reggie. Ignoring the truth makes you look stubborn and foolish.
If Veldheer wanted to leave the Raiders can you really blame him, so did Palmer and a bunch of other players. Guess what Jonesy no one in the league believes in Reggie and Denise.
The Raiders are as much a laughing stock as Jacksonville with the exception the Jags have a deep pocketed owner and a real stadium
With the money the Raiders had they should have franchised both Houston and Veldheer or at least Veldheer.
At least that way they would be adding players not replacing
All the best
Sandy
That makes no sense...5 years is what those teams invested for Houston and Veld.
Tuck for 2 at 6.5, McFadden for 1/2mill at 100K Guaranteed. Were Houston and Veld worth investing for 5 years? Were you at practice and in the locker room every day? Let it play out, use some common sense instead of crying over every emotion that passes through your little hearts. Fan base is the most embarrassing.
JONES
Jones you are the one who is emotionally blind to what is going on. Simple question as of today has the team improved from last year?
Let's review:
Subtractions
Porter best CB on team
Sims quality DT
Veldheer young and close to elite LT
Houston: Above average young DL
Jennings productive power back
Additions
Jason Tuck above average DL on the back end of his career
Austin Howard solid young RT but not completely proven as of
It isn't done yet, wait till it's over before waving your flag.
JONES
Imagine you in a fight...." ok, put up your dukes.....you put up your dukes? I QUIT".....you have no heart, you just quit at the slightest problem....get out of here, Raiders don't need your type.
This rebuild will takes hearts of champions, not weasels who cry at every opportunity. Get some balls, straighten your back, get some pride in yourself.....let it play out.
JONES
Jones why dont you say something of substance instead of the nonsensical drivel you usually spout.
Answer the question. Has Reggie improved the Raiders in the last 48 hours?
Raiders lost bidding battle with Redskins over Jason Hatcher.
Lamar Woodley is scheduled to visit the Titans, could possibly lose bidding war with him as well.
I don't know, we have to wait and see until the play some games....you need me to change your diaper now?
Update, Raiders just signed Woodley = STFU ano troll.
JONES
Woodley signs 2 year, $12million deal.
Story is out by Vic Tafur that Oakland Docs told Raiders/Saffold/Saffold's agents, that he has a torn labrum and has a high possibility of re-injury if he doesn't have surgery, which he could have had and been ready for training camp. Saffold and his agents opted not to have surgery; and Reggie said "We will opt not to sign you."
Great move on Reggie's part.
Jones your emotional tirades are that of a lesser intellect who has come to the realization that all the crap you talked for two years about Reggie's master plan was nonsense and that Reggie is not going to make the Raiders into a playoff team.
So sorry you drank the cool-aid.
Reggie and Denise will be gone this time next year. You know it
Raiders have had a better day today than yesterday. I consider Tuck and Woodley above average players who are on the downside of their career. Let's face it their best days are behind them they are not starts anymore or they would not have been cut.
It seems only the contenders or competitive teams get the stars (Albert-Dolphins, Revis-NE, Byrd-NO, Veldheer-Ari)
It will help the Raiders be more competitive but Tuck and Woodley are already too old to be long term or even medium term building blocks and they are not at an all-pro level where they can win games by themselves.
I don't understand the plan.Do any of you?
All the best
Sandy
So sorry you are dumb as a stick.
JONES
Tucks best days are behind him? He had 11 sacks last year.
They were cut because of cap space, Veld is not a star...the plan is to build through the draft and bring in some vets with good character to lead them....anything else, Mr.Beach?
JONES
With the first pick in the 2015 NFL draft the Raiders select ________
Have to wait till May....just like you have to wait until this period is over....THEN, once all the chips are in...then you can cry to mommy or explain how you knew it all along...go get some hugs FFS's.
JONES
Jones put your money where your big mouth is. Whats the over under on wins that it will take for you to want to see Reggie and Denise fired.
Given your no-balls/no-brains approach to commentary I highly doubt you will answer this question.
Ultimatums? Fuck you, I don't do ultimatums from weasels like yourself. I think you know my opinion and I would BET that I have more balls then you have brains or balls seeing as you are such a pussy you can't even leave a name .
I have the balls to hold steady when all the other wimps are jumping off the ship...go, go jump, go be the patriot fan you always wanted, you fake piece of shit.
JONES
What injury does Saffold really have? Based on media reports, the offensive tackle suffered a dislocated shoulder in the preseason opener at Cleveland. He missed the next preseason game, but participated in the final two as well as the entire 2013 regular season.
Medically, when a player dislocates his shoulder, the labrum is typically torn. The boney anatomy of the shoulder is like a golf ball on a tee. The ball (head of the humerus) doesn’t tend to stay on the tee (in the socket/glenoid) when the edge of the tee (labrum) is chipped.
Assuming a player at the NFL Scouting Combine was presented with such a labral tear, I would fail him on his physical, but note that he has a correctable problem. I would advise my team that he could still be drafted, but would want them aware of potential surgery. Sometimes the team stays away in these instances, while other times the team chooses to draft and fix the player immediately. A third option would be to draft the prospect and have him play through the upcoming season with a brace before considering future surgery. Each case is unique.
I don’t believe Oakland or their doctors botched this process. The Raiders just weren’t willing to ignore the pre-existing condition. I also don’t believe the Rams or Saffold were hiding anything. Clearly, the Rams believe in Saffold’s shoulder enough to re-sign him. This is just how business is conducted in the NFL.
Quote above came from
Dr. David Chao is a former NFL head team physician with 17 years of sideline, locker and training room experience. He currently has a successful orthopedic/sports medicine practice in San Diego.
Sounds like a good chance for Donald Penn and Antonio Smith to sign tomorrow.....and more visits to come....the sky is falling, get your umbrellas
JONES
If these signings continue....I would just like to give a post to:
fuck you to all you assholes who cried like a baby who just got slapped by his momma for being such a dickhead. There is a plan, the lines are being built up, then come some DB's, Rb, Te...draft....STFU for once.
JONES
Donald Penn, LOL. Jones you have no credibility. Donald Penn is no better than Barnes the goal is to improve the team not sign mediocre retreads who are far past their prime. Sorry the road to the playoffs is not paved with Donald Penn
Your insults are just confirmation of your insecurity that you are starting to realize what we all did last year. Reggie is not the man for the job.
I will be laughing hard at you when Reggie is gone and the Raiders have another loosing season because of him.
But hey at least your making progress Jones you have stopped blaming Al Davis.
I wish you a wonderful weekend with your angry miserable self.
SCAR
Some of you guys,,,
Basing all your decisions on the 1st 48 hours of free agency?? Laughable.
I cant even conjure up how you would want to light a match to the Raiders building after the first 24 hours?
...Bunch of critics with nothing better to do I guess.
Me, I'm going to let it play out before I call the paramedics after watching you guys jump off the bridge.
"We are what we repeatedly do." Aristotle
SCAR
Saffold did not play all of last season. In fact, he missed more games the last 2 seasons than Darren McFadden!
So for the Raiders to say we won't sign you if you don't have surgery to repair the torn labrum (which by the way, ended Rich Gannon's career) was smart on their part. You watch, the Rams are going to have to pay $19 million guaranteed to this clown, and he'll be injured and cut.
When all the smoke settled, it seems the Raiders made the right choice. It was still embarrassing for the Raiders, but they made the right choice. I wonder if Saffold really wanted to sign with the Raiders. If a team is willing to give me $21 million, but tells me I need surgery; I would have surgery.
Looks to me like Raiders have used free agency, to get older.
If Raiders were a 7or8 win team, on verge of playoffs, this would make more sense.
All the players, Raiders lost, Veldheer, Houston, Jennings, Porter, Sims, were in their 20's.
So far, the players Raiders have signed, except for Howard, are in their 30's.
I don't know if this, short term strategy, is best for a 4 win team.
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"We are what we repeatedly do." Aristotle
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And so the Raiders keep losing because they keep make the same mistakes ?
Yes, thank you Airistotle.
Oher signs with Titans.
The pickin's are getting kinda slim:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/05/the-free-agent-hot-100-3/
Waiting all these months to re-sign Darren McFadden and Kalif Barnes, and watch the rest of our top free agents walk is puzzling at best. The start to this off-season has taking the opposite approach than even the Raiders suggested... which had complete control over with respect to their own players. Veldheer was a bargain compared to Saffold, and we wouldn't now need a LT.
This process will be even more puzzling if we end up drafting a LT with our #5 pick.
Very uninspiring so far.
nyraider
SCAR
When I thought Al Davis(rip) lost his ability to be a good GM, I said so. If Reggie doesn't produce players and results by the end of the season, I will question the hire. At this point it is premature to judge the season and the GM.
Antonio Smith
Tarell Brown
LaMarr Woodley
Justin Tuck
Austin Howard
Darren McFadden(which makes me question this subjective top 100)
Its early Fellas. Have yourselves a good weekend.
SCAR
Defense should be considerably stouter after today's signings. Keep it goin!
Veld wanted big money and term, so did Houston...if they didn't want to stay, Reggie can't make them, takes 2 to dance.
Sometimes things don't go the way they were planned because of so many variables.
At least wait until it's all said and done...how someone can write that this is very uninspiring...I don't know WTF you are watching but I see a team being built. I see youth being mixed with experience that has been to the BIG DANCE. Veld and Houston = 4-12 and you guys are still crying about them? EMBARRASSING to be a Raider fan because of RAIDER FANS.
JONES
Sorry, but re-signing Darren McFadden is very uninspiring.
You think Veldheer wanted big money but he signed for $5M less than the Raiders wanted to pay a guy who needed surgery and whose contract had to be voided.
Wait and see? Sure. That's the plan.
nyraider
P.S. Justin Tuck is quoted as saying he would have re-signed with the Giants for less than the Raiders paid him. That's a less than inspiring endorsement for his new employer.
Welcome on board, Justin Tuck!
nyr
Sorry, but McFadden was a low risk signing because Reg didn't want to give Jennings 4 years. Have you not seen the other signings?
NYR, you are even dumber than I thought....how low can YOU go? Tuck could of signed somewhere else, NY's blunder is Oakland's blessing.
Tuck is trying to show NY that he was there to be had, it's not a put down of Oakland. Man, you guys want players, Reg is signing them and you all whine anyways....fuck this place, these aren't Raider fans, they are cry babies with no balls. Did you expect All Pro's at every position? Fucking idiots.
JONES
Comments from ESPN's John Ccayton I think this is balanced and fair analysis of what has taken place from the Raiders so far. I think we are all depressed except for delusional Jones because this was the moment to take a big step forward and at best the team stayed in place, did not improve and ended up getting older
1. Oakland Raiders: The Saffold disaster was one of the worst situations in recent Raiders history. The Raiders opened free agency with more than $60 million in cap room. What you wonder is whether the Raiders can fix their problems with all that cap room. They let the top two homegrown players on their roster -- Veldheer and Lamarr Houston -- leave. The Saffold move forced the Raiders to scramble as all the top LT were gone. They did land Justin Tuck and LaMarr Woodley, but you start to wonder if the starting lineup is going to end up older instead of being younger. Tough start to free agency.
Oh yeah, ESPN is always fair and balanced when writing about the Raiders///Peppers is older and way more expensive and it's declared a homerun at 10 mill/per. ESPN laughs and declares WHAT A JOKE that they signed Tuck and Woodley. Yeah, fair and balanced, just like Fox news and Bill O'Reilly too? Fuckin idiot.
JONES
Sorry Jones every free agent signed with the exception of Austin is over 30. I know you prefer to call names have a melt down and pee your pants but the facts are the facts.
I ask the normal people on this blog (that does not include Jones) would you have rather kept Houston and Veldheer instead of signing Tuck, Woodley and Austin.
I would have
Jones, you've got to realize that Peppers makes sense for the Packers.
Pack has an elite Qb. A playoff team that is trying to win now.
For Raiders, Tuck & Woodly will be nearing 35 yrs old in 2 years.
Will Raiders even be a playoff team in 2 years ?
So it seems like the signings were stop gap, face saving, at best.
Again, you fucking idiots. Reggie has always said he will build through the draft. You cannot build the team through F.A.
These vets will guide the young players as opposed to players who just want the cash = Veld and Houston.
Did you want Reggie to make up some players like on Madden/Leon Sandcastle?
Veld and Houston are gone, get over it and they were avg anyways. Top F.A's wanted a chance to win a SB so they went to top teams. You fucks act as if Reggie had a chance to make an all star team and sign ALL the F.A's....just to let you know, there are other teams that had money and could offer playoffs.
SO IN REALITY, At this point, Reggie has done a decent job. Rough start with Saffold but it hasn't stopped the team from attracting other F.A.'s. Stop gap is expecting to build the team through F.A. Building with the draft is the way to win for a long period of time. There you go idiots, another lesson for the clueless.
JONES
"I ask the normal people on this blog (that does not include Jones) would you have rather kept Houston and Veldheer instead of signing Tuck, Woodley and Austin."....
Fuck you, I'm going to answer anyways.
I would rather have the 3 solid players who have WON and been to SB's and that are CHEAPER and for shorter terms. What has Veld and Houston done? Houston with his huge total of 6 sacks and Veld coming off a major injury and was going to be replaced by a 2nd RD pick because he was being seen as being moved to RT....so once again = fuck you.
JONES
Losing Houston is not the problem. Losing a franchise LT is! Veldheer did not get paid crazy money by Arizona ($5M less than the Raiders signed Saffold!) and he would have been worth a premium to bring back... how many years did the Raiders search for a competent LT before they drafted Veldheer?!!
The only thing that could make this blunder worse is if McKenzie drafts a LT with the #5 pick out of pure need to replace Veldheer.
I agree with Raider00; Tuck and Woodley are stop gap players, unless you think the Raiders will go deep into the playoffs this year or next. Keeping Houston was the better option, even at the price. Houston is above average and will do well on a better team in Chicago.
Right now, I think the Raiders should make it a priority to re-sign Pat Sims!
If the plan to let Veldheer walk included replacing him with Watson, that's not very well conceived. Watson has been injured since he was drafted.
Veldheer has proven he is more than serviceable at LT, and he is versitile enough to play C, and probably every other position on the OL.
Tuck and Woodley are vets that have great experience and come at a good price without committing to a long term deal. YOU BUILD THROUGH THE DRAFT.
These are good transition players who bring talent and leadership to the young players. The young players learn from them instead of money grubbers and non elite players like Veld and Houston.
Veld isn't that great, you watch him this year, he is in a very tough division. Houston is Avg and not worth a 5 year commitment.
Watson is also being talked about because of how much he impressed when he played there due to injuries. Drafting a LT would not be wrong, rookie contracts are lower now and Veld could easily turn into a injury machine....many things can happen.
They (COACHES) saw Veld up close and to them, he wasn't worth that contract....but you say he deserved MORE just to keep him, that sounds just like the last regime....fucking stupid.
JONES
Yeah and they know what caused the injury and the extent of the injury, do you? So who the fuck are you to say it is ILL CONCEIVED?
Watson hurt himself (CALF) training in MMA before training camp....that won't happen this year. It kept getting re aggravated from coming back too soon. It will be healed and ready to go.
Veld is a decent LT but the management didn't think he was worth 5 years. His brother took over negotiations and his Mom is tweeting all kinds of bullshit on twitter. Maybe Reg saw something he didn't like and decided he wasn't the kind of player he wanted.
Houston and his tweets of Rick Ross songs pertaining to contract talks...maybe Reg saw something he didn't like in Houston and decided he wasn't his kind of player....ever think of these things? Or are they too in-depth for you?
A few more solid signings and a good draft and this team could easily be a force next year....but keep wallowing in your ignorance, it suits you just fine.
JONES
The story has it that Veldheer was offered a 5 year, $25 million contract. Once that offer was made, there was no counter offer from JV's brother, they just went and signed a contract for $5 million more in Arizona.
How can you not negotiate? The Raiders made an offer, and it was never re-countered. That is poor on the part of Veldheer. If he truly wanted to stay, he could have negotiated. Then to come out and say the Raiders never offered him anything is farce. Taking Jake Matthews at #5 would be an upgrade at LT, IMO, not an insult.
I think losing Veldheer was tougher than losing Houston. Houston was already looking to get out before the FA period began. He took an offer from the Raiders, but was not committed to stay. Just look at all the interviews he gave before the FA period began; especially after the Raiders came out and said he was priority.
Grabbing Tuck and Woodley were better moves at this point. Especially given the fact that the Bears Defense is no longer what Houston thought he was signing with. It would have been more dangerous had Peppers and Melton stayed. Houston had 6 sacks, Peppers had 7.
Tuck (on an off year) had 11, Woodley had 5, and Antonio Smith had 5. That is a total of 21 sacks compared to the of 38 sacks that Raiders as a team had total! How can you say otherwise?
I would to have loved to have Houston, Smith, and Tuck though. That would have been awesome! But, Reggie could not change the mind of Houston from leaving. And the Veldheer's wanted a better offer, but wasn't negotiating with the Raiders what they wanted.
Jones - you seem to have more inside info than I do. I see the Raiders letting go a franchise LT and now they have to replace him. That could cost us the #5 draft pick. LT might still have been the right pick, but we would be adding to the line instead of replacing it's best player.
So as not to be all negative, I like the D acquisitions Reggie made. Listen to the video clips on Raiders.com. In addition to their experience and stats, these guys bring personality to the roster. Raiders front 7 could be a force. Pat Sims was our best run stopper. He should be re-signed.
I anxious to see what we do in the playmaking department.
Who are the starting QB, Jennings replacement at RB, and our starting receivers and lead tight end?
We've got a lot of ground to cover if we're going to improve our offensive roster over last year's.
"YOU BUILD THROUGH THE DRAFT"
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Well, didn't Raiders draft Houston, & Veldheer ?
I think we actually agree with you Jones.
Build through the draft.
Keep your young, good players.
Yes, Raiders could get a blue chip LT with #5 pick.
But what if one of the QB's is still on the board ?
Now there is a tough choice to make, instead of, if Veld is resigned, it's the Qb, no doubt.
Reggie did not draft Veldheer or Houston. And, who is to say any of these QB's are locks? They way Reggie has talked, he wants a vet at QB this year, maybe he thinks none of the QB's are worth taking at #5? There are many ways to get this done....hanging on to or over paying players just to stay = last regime = NOT THIS TIME.
Nate, awesome post, some don't understand that it takes 2 to tango...Reggie can't make them stay and Reggie wants his guys, he said it from the beginning. These 2 were not what he considers his guys at the price they wanted. They didn't really seem to want to be Raiders, so off they go, see ya....but it's all Reggie's fault that he didn't roll out the red carpet and offer them the world.....NEVER LEARN.
It isn't over and more players to come...Reggie is looking for character and leadership as well as a desire to work their ass off. If you aren't one of those, no contract. It blows me away that some are still crying like it's a disaster. This is the best it's been in Oakland for a long time, Saffold was a glitch, it happens, the rest has been solid and if you cannot get behind the RAIDERS at this point, then you aren't even worth being called a fan....just jump already.
JONES
The Raiders need to be putting in place young (under 28 at least) quality players as building blocks. Reggie has not done that. Can anyone name a true stud or solid building block Reggie has added in his two plus years? Don't say Hayden because he is not proven as of yet.
He just keeps bringing in stop gap or slightly above average vets. Woodley is no different than Burnett. These guys might be solid for a year or two but certainly will not get the Raiders back to the playoffs or still be effective when young talent develops if Reggie finds any.
Saying Watson will be a a better LT than Veldheer is foolish at this point. The guy could not get on the field except in special situations due to injuries and lack of experience.
Keeping Houston and Sims and adding Tuck and Woodley that would have been going in the right direction.
As far as Reggie building through the draft as of today his record in that respect is not great.
Sorry it can not sugar coated Veldheer and Houston are the type of young players a building team needs to retain. Veldheer was the best player on the team. Who cares if they would have been overpayed the Raiders have to spend 60mm under the CBA. SO now with all the top free agents gone where do you think that money is going to go. I will tell you it will be used to pay the mediocre free agents that are left.
NY is correct keeping Veldheer would have provided way more flexibility with the 5th pick. Now they are talking about Schaub. Man the Raiders situation is awful if that is what we have to look forward to.
Jones you can swear and insult people all you want but your lack of tangible examples combined with the crap you make up is proof the situation is dire. When the Raiders win 4 or 5 games this year and Reggie is fired we will see where your at.
The Saffold for Veldheer move, then losing Saffold was more than a "glitch." Three months is a long time to whiff on the Raiders so-called "top priority" signing.
And Veldheer was hardly overpaid by the Cardinals when you consider the additional $1M per year Reggie offered Saffold.
Moves like this can have a tremendous impact on the Raiders success.
Anon asked, "Can anyone name a true stud or solid building block Reggie has added in his two plus years?"
My first answer, Sio Moore!
My second answer, Rod Streater!
My third answer, Mychal Rivera!
My fourth answer, Miles Burris!
I don't buy that we are talking about trading for Schaub. What/whom do we have to trade? Will Reggie trade a draft pick? I doubt it; especially if he wants to build through the draft. Why are they not looking at Ryan Fitzpatrick? IMO, he's better than Schaub, and can move in the pocket better.
We still have the draft, and a few more free agents coming in. I'm glad to see that Kevin Boothe is back for a visit. I liked him, and was mad when Cable let him go. I think he is going to be an above average pick up if/when he signs with the Raiders.
I hope we re-sign Woodson and Sims. Melton is still looking for the right team. Terrence Cody (DT, Baltimore) is still available. Nate Collins (DT, Chi).
At CB, Brice McCain (Hou), Brian McCann (Ari), Mike Jenkins (Oak), Aaron Ross (NYG), and Aaron Berry (NYJ) are still pretty decent for the slot position.
Not done yet. JUST WIN, DAMMIT!
Raider Nate
Seriously Miles Burris? LOL that is a building block he is not even a starter when healthy that is. Streater how many other teams in the NFL would he start for not many that is for sure.
Sio Moore looks like he has potential, I will give you that but not a pro bowler guaranteed by any means. Rivera potential yes but 400 yards receiving is not exactly the second coming of Antonio Gates.
IF these are the only four players you can come up with in the two plus years Reggie has been around that is indictment in itself
"When the Raiders win 4 or 5 games this year and Reggie is fired we will see where your at."
See where I am at? You won't even use a name because you don't want anyone to know where you are at. You sure have a lot of demands but you don't answer anyone else's. Sure fire sign of a CREW member.
Hey look numbnuts, like I told you, Reggie will build this team through the draft. You can't build the team soley with F.A's. A strong foundation for the youth, this is how you make your own great players. You want to make believe that there should be all pro's at all positions....that isn't reality. I would like to know how Reggie was supposed to build all this talent in the last 2 years when he could barely afford a roster and only 1 year of real draft picks? Is Reggie supposed to hypnotize all the top F.A`s to come to Oakland? I don't exactly get how the team was supposed to be loaded with top talent by now....please explain.
Veld didn't want to be in Oakland, making no counter offer shows that....he wanted the biggest amount with the longest term possible....he wasn't going to get that in Oakland....see ya, same with Houston. Then you have Tuck who admits he would have taken 4 mill to stay in NY. See the difference? TEAM 1st, not money 1st, these are the kinds of players you can build around....those other guys can chase the money all they want....we will see how they do and then all your tears will be for not.....if you hate the Raiders, why don't you go back to the Patriots?
JONES
Ano and his games....you forgot Hayden and Watson who will both be healthy this year and ready to contribute. So that would be 6. If you hate the Raiders, go to New England and stare at the QB's ass like you always do.
JONES
Oh and don't forget McGee...he is expected to play a good role along the d-line..= 7...oh and McGloin could very well benefit from a full season under his belt....could be 8.
JONES
Lot of could be Jones. YOu throwing out guys who have produced nothing just shows you how your position as a REggie nut hugger is not defensible. Please find me one writer or credible source in the western world that is on record as saying Reggie is doing a great job. You must be lonely be the only one.
I am talking players producing right now today. I see one Sio Moore from the draft that looks above average for sure.
In terms of signings I like Roach and Burnett but they are not long term solutions just solid fill ins for a few years.
What would I like Reggie to have done here is a list:
1) Not blame Al Davis for two years and shit on his grave about the state of the raiders he inherited. WE all get it shut your mouth stop the excuses and do your job
2) Keep Hue or hire a coach who has real HC experience not Denise
3) Not allow Denise to put in place guys like Greg Knapp that did not fit the personnel
4) Retain Palmer
5) Not trade for FLynn
6) not sign Briesel
7) Retain the best player on the team Veldheer back in Nov or Dec not wait until the last minute try and low ball him and then scramble to make up for it by signing Saffold. BTW Veldheer was very willing to resign with The Raiders until Reggie started low balling him and turned him off. Furthermore why not use the franchise tag. the Raiders have the money and more importantly they have to spend it. I would rather spend an extra couple of million on Veldheer than overpay bottom of the barrel free agents which Reggie will have to do now in order to mee the CBA requirements
8) Draft Mingo, Star, Alonso, Caccaro, FLuker Richardson (should I go on) rather than a guy who was coming off a life threatening injury
9) Sign one high profile top tier free agent look at this list. The Raiders could have gotten a couple of top 25 guys http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/05/the-free-agent-hot-100-3/
oh wait they had two but let them go.
There is 9 points of major failings on Reggie's part. Other than clearing out the cap which a good accountant could do. Show me some real facts on what Reggie has done. Sorry drafting Watson does not count nor any other of your so called pro bowlers to be
"Veld didn't want to be in Oakland, making no counter offer shows that...."
$25 million over 5 years (if that’s what the Raiders offered Veldheer) sounds like a low ball offer, particularly when the franchise tag was worth in the neighborhood of $10M per year.
The idea that the Raiders waited for a counter offer that never came sounds amateurish. Why not reach out to your best player and make a deal happen? At the risk of repeating myself, the contract Veldheer signed in Arizona seemed more than fair for both sides... The Raiders could have paid more, and may still for less talent.
You think Reggie might have talked it over with the O-line coach? Took into account that he hired his brother to get him his best deal? That his MOM is his spokes person? That he just came off a major injury? You guys think you can do better than Reggie? LOL, you guys are a joke and nothing more. All you do is whine and bitch, like children who wanted more at xmas....idiots.
JONES
Anojoke.....
These guys were drafted last year, you want them to be all pros already? Give them a chance, they show potential.
You want to say UNCLE already, fine, go fuck off and be a patriot fan like you have always wanted.
"1) Not blame Al Davis for two years and shit on his grave about the state of the raiders he inherited. WE all get it shut your mouth stop the excuses and do your job"..........
LOL, YOU DO NOT GET IT and that is why you carry such a grudge. You do not sound like a Raider fan, you sound like a piece of shit that wants to stir it. Reggie has never cried about it, so fuck off with your lies.
Retain Palmer? Ahhh, dumbass, Palmer wanted out, fuck you are stupid.
All the rest of your 20/20 hindsight is just garbage....get a life, go root for a team you like, like the patriots, you have told us many times how much you like them....go, you aren't a Raider fan, just a piece of shit, with no value but to try and piss people off = fuck you.
JONES
As usual Jones thanks for all your well thought out points. All you do is insult it shows you are a defeated and weak mind. BTW speaking of hiring brothers didn't Reggie hire his brother as a scout? LOL
Its obvious you are cool with a 5 or 6 year rebuild. It seems most of Raider nation is not and after two years want to see real definable progress. Apparently your standards are not as high.
BTW here is a summary of the Raiders free agency foray from Peter King a very well respected writer who was complimentary of the Reggie hire initially. I guess he is f____ing idiot also. Apparently the entire world is in your opinion
Raiders of the Lost Tackles
The Raiders would like to build like the Packers, but they can’t. When Oakland hired Reggie McKenzie to be its general manager in 2012, he wanted to build the team in the image he knew best after spending 18 years in the Midwest—the Green Bay Way. Draft and develop, spend money on your own players.
In the last 13 months, the Raiders have lost three of their top draftees from recent years: defensive tackle Desmond Bryant, pass rusher Lamarr Houston, and left tackle Jared Veldheer. Oakland lost Bryant last year because of the cap crunch. The Raiders lost Houston and Veldheer this year because McKenzie didn’t want to pay market value for them.
In the case of Veldheer, it could turn into a terrible mistake, because the Raiders are without a left tackle after the Rodger Saffold debacle. If they choose to draft a very good one with the fifth overall pick this year, then that means one less potential franchise player because they erred so badly in free agency.
Jeff Roberson/APRodger Saffold, who just got done benching 400 pounds, has a shoulder injury that requires surgery, according to the Raiders. (Jeff Roberson/AP)
You’ve heard the story by now: Oakland thought Veldheer wanted too much money to be the left tackle and saw him more as a right tackle. And so the Raiders let him go and signed Saffold, a player St. Louis was demoting from tackle to guard (though the Rams liked Saffold a lot at guard.) You won’t find many personnel people in the league who value Saffold over Veldheer. But the Raiders agreed to pay Saffold an average of $8.5 million a year during the pre-free agency negotiating period. Veldheer ended up getting $7 million a year to play left tackle for the Cardinals.
When Saffold flew to Oakland for the required physical last Wednesday—accompanied by his parents and two agents—it seemed to be the same formality as any other pre-signing physical. “Rodger said the doctor told him he was OK, fine, no problem,’’ one of the agents, Alan Herman, said on Sunday. “That afternoon, the Raiders told us he failed the physical, [that he] had a tear in his labrum and needed immediate surgery.’’
Saffold injured his shoulder last August, sat a week, and then played the season with the injury. After the season, the Rams told him they didn’t think he needed surgery—and keeping Saffold was one of St. Louis’ top priorities in free agency.
Herman consulted with Dr. Frank Cordasco, an orthopedic surgeon at the Hospital for Special Surgery in New York, and had him examine Saffold. Says Herman, “He told me, ‘He doesn’t need surgery. There is no problem with Rodger Saffold.’ ”
The Raiders wouldn’t make McKenzie available to me, so I couldn’t ask him about the prevailing view around the league: that Oakland got cold feet when the team saw the intense criticism of Saffold’s contract. “Buyer’s remorse?’’ says Herman. “Who knows? All I know is his shoulder is fine. He told us he just benched 400 pounds working out.’’
The Rams took Saffold back, happily, at a reduced price. And the Raiders had to settle for Jets right tackle Austin Howard, plus a mélange of vets on defense (Justin Tuck, LaMarr Woodley, Tarell Brown) who were seeking homes after being dissed or cut by their teams.
Not the way Oakland wanted free agency to go. Not at all.
Jones why are you not an NFL GM you seem to know so much. LOL
Peace
Sandy
LOL, good ole Peter, what's the matter, did you run out of Mike Silver articles to garner your opinion?
McKenzie did not draft Veld, Houston or Bryant. As usual, you fall for the media game of FUCK THE RAIDERS....just shows once again that you are not a Raider....all RAIDERS KNOW the media hates the Raiders, ever since Al Davis took over the team. So fuck you for posting that trash on a Raider site because it's pure Raider hate.
Let me guess, you love Peter's article that raves about the patriots....you piece of shit...get off this board, you are nothing but a fraud and have been since day 1.
Everyone else's signings are great but when it comes to the Raiders, they are just washed up and want the money...fuck you. You are just rehashing cliché's given to you by meatheads like Peter King and Mike Silver....so once again, fuck you.
JONES
Are you jealous, Mr.Beach?
JONES
Jones really well thought out response. Its hilarious how easy it is to get oyu riled up. Normally i would agree with you becasue I can't stand that jock sniffer Peter King and Silver was always a prick about Al Davis.
However I gotta say that the old Raider Hater excuse is hard to utilize these days. The Raiders have been so bad for so long that no one really even takes the time to hate them much especially since Al passed.
Actually as mentioned King was complimentary to Reggie in year one and was bullish on Hue.
So the hater thing does not hold water especially when his criticism is spot on and the same as every other person in the western hemisphere except for the GREAT JONESY. LOL
Why should McKenzie care who represented Veldheer? It could have been Mickey Mouse; the Raiders needed Jared Veldheer in the fold. Up until about a week ago, Veldheer worked for the Raiders, so they had plenty of access.
I think what Peter King said about the Raiders not wanting to pay market value is accurate, and now it may cost them a valuable draft pick to find a replacement. There are no other worthy LTs in FA. Veldheer was the highest rated LT to actually switch teams.
While I am anxious to see McKenzie recover from this, it is worse than the Matt Flynn debacle.
Raiders have two possible LTs on their roster in Barnes and Watson. Neither is anywhere near Veldheer's level.
Fucking morons, that's it, it's all you are worth.
Guess the James Jones signing is another DEBACLE? Just like all the rest of the signings = WHAT IS HE DOING...LOL....you guys are fucking clueless....don't ever call yourself Raider fans, because you aren't, you are whiney brats with no value but to complain....when you have something worthy to write about, I may respond, till then, fuck you.
JONES
Oh, and a Boothe signing today too....man, that Reggie, I sure hope he keeps fucking up cause the team was so much better with the rotten core and Hue Jackson....= fuck you AGAIN.
JONES
Kevin Boothe wow what a signing I have completely changed my mind about Reggie. Playoffs here we come.
Jonesy with every post you sound more ridiculous
FA Howard, FA Boothe, Barnes, Watson, and possibly an OT in the draft ... seems to be a group with depth and competition. Barnes and Watson have also shown the ability to play guard.
As I said on day 2 of free agency, there is no point making a hasty, pre-mature assessment until the final 53 man roster is finalized in late August.
Plenty of moves to be made over the course of the next 5 months.
And yes, Howard and Boothe might not be the flashy, splashy, hi-profile signings but let's see how they perform.
Yeah, who wants another Super Bowl winner on the team? Ano, go to the patriots site, their bandwagon still has room.
Obviously, you have no clue what is happening and it is all just a blur because of your hate. Like I have been saying and others as well, just wait till it's all said and done, so far, so good. No matter what the meatheads in the press write, anyone who quotes a Mike Silver article as truth, ain't no Raider....get lost, troll boy.
JONES
Regardless of the circumstances, you can't dismiss losing a franchise LT and now needing to replace him. That's not a small and inconsequential matter.
Both the Raiders and Jared Veldheer are on PFT Live at 12 noon ET.
Regardless of your comment, you are still a stupid shit.
JONES
nyraider said, " it may cost them a valuable draft pick to find a replacement."
I still do not think that this is a wasted pick. Jake Matthews is a stud at LT, and the kind of guy that will bring back the nastiness of Art Shell type tackles.
We need a QB, but not a rookie QB to lead this team. I really hope the Schaub trade rumors are just that, rumors. Here are FA QB's that I would take over Schaub. Jason Campbell, Rex Grossman, and Ryan Fitzpatrick.
If we are going to grab a QB, I'd rather grab one after the first round. Garropollo's draft stock is rising. The Texans are targeting him in the 2nd round. Derek Carr's is falling.
At this point, I'm more concerned with WR, CB, and DT.
Were those 7 studs or 7 guys who may be (if healthy) starters on a 4-12 team?
Sio Moore looks above average because he was the most consistent player on a defense that was 29th in the league in giving up points. He was also 9th on the team last year in tackles....3rd among LBs...not saying he won't be a good LB...but stud?
Streater, if he was a stud why would everyone in the world speak about the Raiders need to fill WR depth
Rivera? Seriously? It's like you aren't even trying.
And then of course the stud lists wraps up with a collection of guys who don't play on the team anymore or were hurt and maybe could start sometime but who knows.
I think Reggie is making some good moves....but to be fair I don't really believe Reggie has made any moves that would justify the profane defense of him like he is Bill Polian. Thus far his resume says he is a below average evaluator of talent and has really received nothing but harsh criticism from...well...everyone.
This argument is getting boring. How about this idea. Move Pryor to WR.
Discuss......
Bryan
Here is a good summary from Bill Williamson who is in no way a Raider hater.
http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/121200/free-agency-review-raiders#comments
What scares me is that due to the CBA Reggie is going to have to spend a lot more money. But who is he going to spend it on? He could end up overpaying for scraps. Why did they not try and sign someone marquee and young like Alterraun Verner who could have been paired with Hayden. High quality guys below 30 are worth overpaying for.
Bryan, I agree they should not give up on Pryor as a QB or an athlete if that means WR why not
I'm not saying that Reggie has made an incredible splash like the Broncos/Patriots have. But I'm also not disappointed with that either.
The reason is because we have multiple holes to fill on our team. I understand why Reggie has gone after who he has gone after; it makes sense in the long run. He is solidifying this team that had nothing solid in it.
Sure there have been questionable signings (Flynn, re-signing McFadden, letting Veldheer and Houston go); but nothing I'm dying over.
The article by Peter King, Mike Silver, and other about Saffold has been refuted by the Raiders. Vic Tafur of CSN reported that the doctor said he could play, but at the risk of a major injury. A torn labrum isn't a small injury. It is going to prevent his shoulder from healing right, and at some point is going to turn major. So yes, Saffold's agents were right in the sense that he was cleared to play; but there was a warning with that clearance. A warning that the Raiders said, "Hey, if we are going to invest this money in you, we want you to have the surgery and be back by Training Camp." Saffold and his agents refused; so the Raiders rescinded their offer. Notice how Saffold nor his agent have commented on that situation; other than to say they went to another doctor who said what he wanted to hear. I think the Rams are going to be out $19 million; and he will be injured. Only time will tell who was "right"; but I guarantee if it is the Raiders who end up being right, it won't be reported.
All of this to say that Reggie is considered to be one of the top NFL Talent evaluator in the League. He was this before he took the GM job, and he is still considered this by most of the scouts currently. He is the most respected person by other teams and players. But the media is going to do everything they can to get under his skin because he is not making a "splash" by spending big crazy dollars for one player. But Reggie is addressing our need for 53 players.
The problem is that most Raider fans want a short term solution; but Reggie is in building for the long term; whether he is in the position long term or not; he is not going to leave it in shambles the way he inherited it. The guys he is bringing in aren't flashy players, but they are consistent, hard-nosed players. Some haven't worked out, and that is expected.
Reggie and DA have their hands full in showing the team will be improved this year. The #1 factor, IMO, that is hurting the Raiders right now is the lack of experience as a coach that DA brings to the table. I don't think he has figured out what kind of team he wants, and that is due to lack of experience on all levels of coaching. That is what separates him from Chip Kelley, Jon Gruden, and others. I think (hindsight being 20/20) it was too early to bring him in as HC. He needed a few years to learn how to be a top notch Coordinator before this job. I think Tarver is the same way; he doesn't really know what kind of defense he wants. This is the most glaring set back that Raiders' fans face.
The question should really be: Has DA and his coordinators figured out what they want with the team? The first answer to that question will be answered when they figure out who they want at QB to lead the team, and what kind of offense they want to run.
Bottom line is:
JUST WIN, DAMMIT!
Nate, picking Matthews wouldn't be a "wasted pick" if we retained Veldheer and were adding to the OL. But that's not the case. Losing Veldheer created a major hole.
Cardinals were aggressive in pursuing Veldheer. They got the top player they targeted in free agency!
Meanwhile, Raiders were aggressively pursuing Saffold. Unfortunately, they lost both Veldheer and Saffold.
Rumor from today's PFT Live is that Davis voided Saffold's contract because he didn't want to take on another player coming off injury, ala Hayden and Matt Flynn (interview w/Scott Blair).
McKenzie has shown a propensity to sign players off injury, e.g., signing both starting CBs off major injuries in each of the last two seasons.
Kick ass post, Nate. Only thing I question in your post is what kind of team the HC wants.
IMO, Reggie and Allen work together on this because Reggie needs to know the type of player that will fit. From the signings, it looks like a power running game with possession WR's... and a multiple look Defense with designs at getting after the QB.
There is a plan and it is good to see that you can see. Not many able to do that on this board.
IMO, QB is the biggest question at this point and we will have to see how that plays out...but overall I would say Reggie is doing a fair to good job at this point. There was a blunder, but it happens and like you wrote, if it had happened to the patriots, the media would be saying how smart they were for voiding the contract.
Real Raider fans don't give a shit what the media is writing. Real Raider fans know their team and the game of Football and don't need some jerk off "reporter" telling us what is up. Take all your media reports and FLUSH THEM, it's all they are good for.
JONES
Again, these are rumors. Davis and RM issued a statement through CSN Bay Area with Vic Tarfur about how that has unfolded. Saffold nor his agent have responded; which tells me there is a lot of validity.
Major media like PFT is not going to run that story because it does nothing for them.
Picking Matthew's would be a wasted pick if we lost Veldheer on top of not signing anyone to the O-line. But the Raiders have made significant signings on the O-line with Howard (who is better than advertised), Boothe (who was cut under Tom Cable because he wasn't a ZBS O-lineman), Wiz, Watson (who will more than likely play Guard), Barnes (who will more than likely play a reserved Tackle/Guard). If the Raiders kept Veldheer, the only reason they would draft Matthews was to move him to RT; and that is if they hadn't signed anyone to fill that role. So picking Matthews at #5 is still adding to the O-line; so I really cannot understand your beef with this?
Again, the biggest problem is not just that the Raiders low-balled Veldheer who was coming off a major injury; but the other side is Veldheer not counter-offering. It shows me (in my business mind) that Veldheer didn't really want to stay. Look at McFadden, he had other offers on the table; and took less because he wanted to stay and win over Raider Nation. Fine! That's great and shows me great commitment on his part. Now he has to prove it. Veldheer and Houston were hinting at leaving more than staying after the season. I thought they were doing this as a negotiation ploy, which is what players do; but it said a lot to me when Houston and Veldheer didn't even sit at the table with the Raiders and discuss. They listened to an initial offer and went somewhere else. I do that with car dealers, not potential employers. Sure the Cardinals were aggressive with Veldheer, but Veldheer did not give the Raiders the same chance.
I don't think either side is wrong, or made a wrong choice. That is just the way business is. The Raiders were hoping to negotiate, and when you have to be the first to offer, you low-ball. Veldheer and Houston went different places that offered more. Sometimes you win, sometimes you don't. Again, my problem with it was there was no negotiation; and I think that was more on Veldheer and Houston than it was on McKenzie.
The problem isn't signing players returning from injury; it is the overall health of the player coming off injury. You can't really know that answer until they come back on the field. The Saints took this gamble with Brees. The Doncos took the biggest gamble with Manning. Reggie took a gamble on players whose injuries weren't as severe and lost. So what? It didn't work out, turn the page and move on. They have. Should that stop them from taking risks? No.
Keep this in mind too. It would have been the same situation had we re-signed Veldheer; a gamble! His injury was the 2nd most severe than any of the players on the Raiders roster, with the exception of Hayden.
Terrell Suggs is coming off a torn bicep, and he struggled this last year. Willie Colon, Bob Sanders, and Ray McDonald are all players who have recently done this. Bob Sanders tore his in 2010, and hasn't been right since. So it would have been a gamble. Will it pay off for the Cardinals? We will see. But recent history has not been kind to those coming off a torn bicep injury.
Nate....posted this early on this TAKE...guess no one read it?..........
What injury does Saffold really have? Based on media reports, the offensive tackle suffered a dislocated shoulder in the preseason opener at Cleveland. He missed the next preseason game, but participated in the final two as well as the entire 2013 regular season.
Medically, when a player dislocates his shoulder, the labrum is typically torn. The boney anatomy of the shoulder is like a golf ball on a tee. The ball (head of the humerus) doesn’t tend to stay on the tee (in the socket/glenoid) when the edge of the tee (labrum) is chipped.
Assuming a player at the NFL Scouting Combine was presented with such a labral tear, I would fail him on his physical, but note that he has a correctable problem. I would advise my team that he could still be drafted, but would want them aware of potential surgery. Sometimes the team stays away in these instances, while other times the team chooses to draft and fix the player immediately. A third option would be to draft the prospect and have him play through the upcoming season with a brace before considering future surgery. Each case is unique.
I don’t believe Oakland or their doctors botched this process. The Raiders just weren’t willing to ignore the pre-existing condition. I also don’t believe the Rams or Saffold were hiding anything. Clearly, the Rams believe in Saffold’s shoulder enough to re-sign him. This is just how business is conducted in the NFL.
By the way Nate, another strong post, keep them coming.
JONES
“Picking Matthew's would be a wasted pick if we lost Veldheer on top of not signing anyone to the O-line.”
That’s cart-in-front-of-the-horse logic. The point was that the Raiders had 3 months to secure their franchise LT. Sure, they scrambled and signed two OL players. That helps and was much needed despite losing Veldheer. But we still need a LT. Hence the need to draft Matthews and forego a QB or skill player.
“Again, the biggest problem is not just that the Raiders low-balled Veldheer who was coming off a major injury; but the other side is Veldheer not counter-offering.”
That sounds so amateurish on the Raiders part. First, Veldheer’s injury is a non-issue. He was cleared to play last year. (Curious: was it ok to draft Hayden before playing a down after life-threatening injury, but we should let Veldheer – who played healthy at the end of last season – walk due to injury?)
It appears more that the Raiders didn’t want to pay market value for Veldheer, and Veldheer smartly entered free agency and was paid a fair price.
I would love to hear a REAL explanation from a reliable source why Veldheer is no longer a Raider, instead of the wild speculation that is flying around here.
Mike Florio interviewed Veldheer today and never asked the question. Instead, they talked about where Veldheer buys his 6' 8" dress suits.... unbelievable!
I think it's safe to say that the first wave of free agency is coming to a close. And I would give Reggie a grade in the range of B or B-. Problem is, at some point, he really needs to start grading out at A when it comes to free agency and the draft, and I don't think he's done it yet.
It's going to start catching up with him. The clock is ticking, hard.
If you accept a C or B grade at GM, then I don't think you're committed to excellence.
If you think Reggie's turned in any A grades when it comes to free agency or drafting periods, then I think you're fooling yourself.
This is year three, and I don't think it's unreasonable to start expecting A grades.
The draft is his next chance to do it.
OOOOO, Reggie has to hit that Raider Take mark of excellence before he earns any damn respect...huff and puff and blow your house down boy.....Who cares what you rank him, he has the team going in a positive direction, expectations of a 1 year masterpiece? What are the odds....but hey, reach for stars hey RT...dream a wonderful dream....in reality, Reggie is doing a pretty damn good job and after 10 years of shit, this is feeling good no matter how much you and the morons try to down play it...I see good things, you can all keep wondering why Veld wasn't given the Al Davis contract....WHO FUCKING CARES, this new wave is going to make you forget. Why fight it? It's here, accept it, it looks good, we have a way up and out of the pit of NO WHERE....and you guys are still bitching....CHILDREN, get back in line.
JONES
This O-line is going to MAUL...Donald Penn, more depth, more experience, more trying to win now. Power running is here, control football....dominant Defense, attacking the QB from all angles. Damn, if ,you can't see the vision by now, you must be fucking blind.
Veld, Houston? Who the fuck are they? Just a reminder of what once was....SEE YA, it wasn't all that fun, really.
JONES
GM Reggie McKenzie continues to throw all sorts of money at players over 30 years of age. It should make Oakland more watchable in 2014, but is not the way to rebuild a team.
Seems like Reggie is in commitment to save his job mode
Hey NYR, if you want to read something other than what is written here....what is stopping you? You act like you have no connection to the outside world and your view is limited. Sounds self inflicted to me.
JONES
I found a few other people besides Jonsey who are excited about Donald Penn. Their names are Demarcus Ware, Vonn Miller, Tamba Hali
Jones if you are trying to say that Penn is better than Veldheer you are even more foolish than what the rest of the people on this blog already thought of you
Hey AnoFraud....I can just imagine what you would be writing today if Al Davis had signed all these players....it would be the greatest days on earth, am I right?
Building a team 101, through the draft, during a transition period with the young talent, have experienced WINNERS who have great character as the leaders of that team.....build from within as you progress.....there you go dumbass, Reggie his hitting doubles, triples...it still wins games....only chicks really dig the long ball...get some fucking balls you pussy.
JONES
Veldheer wasn't the team, dumb motherfucker. His character wasn't right, he doesn't fit this NEW VERSION. So go suck his nuts and join the cardinals wagon, who gives a shit. Penn will do until better comes along, and this O-line will be much better than last years, so will the D-line...but don't let that get in the way of your WHINING you fucking baby.
JONES
One more thing, you ignorant slut.....players have taken notice, they see, they hear....Oakland is rising and players DO WANT TO COME TO OAKLAND, that in itself is miles ahead of what once was. So many positives, so many ignorant sluts....
JONES
Free agency is to add solid veterans with character who provide leadership.
The draft is to rebuild for the future. The key is for any GM to have the right mix of veterans and young guns.
These 2 distinct ways to change the dynamic of your roster (Free agency & the draft) need to provide immediate improvements (free agency) AND long term building blocks (the draft) simultaneously. A tricky balancing act.
By adding Penn, Howard, and Boothe, the Raiders have added 3 solid OL. I would hope that the Raiders continue to build the OL & DL with free agency and the draft. Competition and depth is how this team will take positive strides.
Signing Penn is a good move, and helps cover the mistakes made with Veldheer and Saffold. Signing Penn provides depth at LT and opens the possibility to draft a QB/skill player in the 1st round.
Jones how many losses this year for you to stop nut hugging Reggie and want to see him fired.
Calico had the balls to say anything less than 8-8 Reggie and Denise have to go.
Are you willing to put some "money" where that foul mouth of yours is concerned or will you cop out as usual
commitment to mediocrity
notice the line has not acquired one young difference maker in over two years
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2014/03/18/raiders-gm-reggie-mckenzie-stays-patient-in-free-agency-nothing-dramatic-nothing-panicky-and-thats-good/#more-22266
I agree with this article Reggie is average at best he is not a difference maker.
nyr,
Look, I agree, I wish the Raiders would have signed Veldheer as well. I liked him, I thought he was a hard nose Tackle. Was he the best? No. Do I see why they didn't. Yes, and it was a mutual decision on BOTH parties. Let me explain, while addressing some comments.
"That’s cart-in-front-of-the-horse logic. The point was that the Raiders had 3 months to secure their franchise LT."
You've put the cart-in-front-of-the-horse as well. Yes, the Raiders had 3 months to secure the deal; but all indications of the way things were going was Veldheer told the Raiders he wanted to test the market. This came out yesterday, but I'll address that in the next paragraph, and you'll see why.
"Mike Florio interviewed Veldheer today and never asked the question. Instead, they talked about where Veldheer buys his 6' 8" dress suits.... unbelievable!"
Apparently you didn't listen to the whole thing. Because after this discussion of his suits, he spoke about how he knew the Saturday evening that legal tampering started, that he was going to be a Cardinal. He also spoke how he had kept in touch with Carson Palmer since CP left Oakland, and how Carson was a major factor in his decision. He talked about being in discussions with Oakland since before the off-season, but he never took them seriously. So go back and listen to it, and hear it from the horse's mouth. Good luck in Arizona Veld; it appears you wanted to be there all along.
"That sounds so amateurish on the Raiders part. First, Veldheer’s injury is a non-issue. He was cleared to play last year. (Curious: was it ok to draft Hayden before playing a down after life-threatening injury, but we should let Veldheer – who played healthy at the end of last season – walk due to injury?)"
Hayden was cleared to play before the draft, which is why he was at the draft! He participated in the Scouting Combine, and had a Pro Day workout. Veldheer's and Hayden's injuries are not "non-issues". Veldheer struggled when he came back (ah hell the whole team struggled for that matter). The point is this, the combination of Veldheer not taking the negotiations from the Raiders seriously, and the Raiders low ball offer tells us "logically" that Veldheer did not want back in Oakland, and Oakland did not want him back. They were doing a little song and dance to make it look like they both wanted each other to appease the fans; and we the fans are smarter than that to see through their facades. So as much as you are upset with RM about this, I'm upset with both sides about it.
"Signing Penn is a good move, and helps cover the mistakes made with Veldheer and Saffold."
You know it's funny to me how the media is not hammering away at Washington over Henry Melton. The Cowboys just medically cleared Melton's knee, even though the Redskins' doc did not; which is why the Redskins did not sign Melton. Sounds very similar to Saffold-Raiders-Rams. The exception is how the media (especially here in TX) is harping on the Cowboys for this move; saying it is "typical Jerry" to cause controversy, and giving a guy what he wants; all logic be damned! The Redskins were right in their assessment and did the right thing." That is what the media is saying here in TEXAS!!
You won't hear them say that about the Raiders, and their move with Saffold. Haters will always find a way to hate.
JUST WIN, DAMMIT!
Take, I agree that it appears RM hasn't made any splashes, and so far I have him at a grade of B as well. To me he doesn't have to have an "A" in Free Agency, but in the draft. He would have to have an "A" in Free Agency if he had a solid foundation to build on; which he does not. So he is using FA to build that foundation, but he has to knock it out of the park during the draft. Besides, there is still plenty of time in Free Agency, which lasts through Training Camp and Pre-Season; especially as more players are cut.
I also agree with Calico that if the Raiders do need to show vast improvement this year. If they don't, it will cost DA his job.
I'm not sold on DA, he has to prove it with me. So does Tarver. So far I've been disappointed with the indecisiveness they've shown in their coaching.
Reggie, I like what he's doing. Do I agree with every move? No, he's made some high risk moves. But at least he's willing to take risks. He is a very bright person, very football smart too. But moves like Hayden may cost him his job if they don't pan out.
Here's the question though, if RM goes, who do you think will replace him. Are the Raiders really respected enough by people to take them seriously, or will we end up like the Brownies? If Reggie is shown the door, then I think Jon Gruden will be our next GM. I honestly wouldn't mind that. Think of this too, Jon said he will honor his ESPN contract which ends at the end of this year.
But I leave everyone with this final thought. When was the last time the Raiders made such a big splash in national media? Even when Reggie came aboard a few years ago, they were in the national spotlight for a day or so, then crickets. They have been in the national spotlight for going on a month now. When was the last time that happened?
The autumn wind starts as a breeze that makes hair stand up from the chill of fear. Things are starting to sift, and the initial reaction to feeling fear is to mock it before it arrives; and hide when it comes looking to kick your @$$!
JUST WIN, DAMMIT!
Nate - the interview does not get to the meat of Veldheer's decision to leave Oakland, only that he's happy to be in Arizona. And the lack of interest by either party is not self-evident. Who knows where we would be if the Raiders made a legit offer. It's a business.
I doubt it was the Raiders intention to downgraded the LT position. They had plenty of money to bring Veldheer back. Besides Jones, there's nobody questioning Veldheer's character or work ethic.
Florio said he interviewed Dennis Allen at the Combine, and Allen stated the Raiders top priorities were to re-sign Veldheer, Houston and Jennings. Makes perfect sense, but they went 0-3.
As for Palmer recruiting Veldheer prior to Sat, I believe that would be tampering, and possibly entitle the Raiders to compensation. Nothing in the media about that....
Nate, good job, great posts....good luck in trying to change the cement heads...Lost cause.
JONES
I didn't say Palmer recruited Veldheer, Veldheer said he stayed in contact with CP after CP left Oakland. What Veldheer is saying is that CP had a big part of Veldheer committing to the Cardinals.
From my understanding, it is not tampering for players to talk to other players. From my understanding the conversations should not be recruiting; but the more like, "Hey, if you want to test the market, I think you should consider talking to the Cardinals front office." That's not tampering (again, from my understanding of the rule).
If CP went to Veldheer's agents, then that would be tampering. I believe CP made a case for Veldheer to check out Arizona through conversation. Players do it all the time because it's not tampering as long as the conversation is more along the lines of "You should consider...." wink-wink-nod-nod.
At least the League has never made a big case out of it because it would be extremely difficult to prove it as tampering one way or not.
Now, if it is tampering, then the Raiders should look into it because Veldheer made it very clear on PFT that CP and he had plenty of conversations during last season while he was mending, and during the offseason. You can get phone convos and text messages from cell phones (just ask Aaron Hernandez).
It's a different subject if the coach talks about another player publicly about joining a new team before the "allotted" time. Or if a coach/front office guy talk one-on-one with another player. An example was Hue Jackson's comments on McFadden on a radio interview back toward the end of January was tampering; and I'm surprised the Raiders did nothing about it.
"As I said on day 2 of free agency, there is no point making a hasty, pre-mature assessment until the final 53 man roster is finalized "
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Calico, by day 2 of free agency, most of the true impact players were signed by the winning teams.
I do believe Reggie has recovered to the point where Raiders will be improved this season.
However, Reggie signed a bunch of 30 something players to 2 year, good value, contracts.
While he did not over spend, and still has plenty of money to burn, Reggie is walking a high wire act.
Reggie is gambling that over next 2 yrs, he can draft enough good young players, to fill in voids, as the current 2 yr contracts expire.
So the players Reggie signed are not washed up. But they are not long term fixes either.
Reggie needs to hit 2 home runs, in this yrs draft, and next yrs as well. A tall order for any GM.
Hey Raider 00, you are finally getting it, way to go, better late than never?
Reggie said from Day 1 that he wanted to build through the draft. Bring in CHARACTER that was obviously lacking and talent. The young guns learn how to be an NFL player and the tradition is set....if it goes according to plan. So far, it's been pretty good and for us who have witnessed the most horrible F.O decisions for YEARS....this is like finally finding the fresh water you have been searching days for....and we have morons pissing in the pond. Happy days ARE here again, don't care what any body says.
JONES
Welcome back Charles Woodson!
I'm pretty happy with offseason so far. There's an obvious focus on both sides of the line - that's excellent. We aren't contending for the best line in the league yet, but we should move from just about the worst to middle of the pack. D-line can't be finished yet, but looks much more respectable, and so far pretty cheap.
James Jones and Tarell Brown are a couple of good, solid need signings.
QB is the obvious, glaring need, and DA is going to all the top guys' pro days, while RM is scouting the lower end of the draft. I like that priority weighting.
Overall, it feels like there actually is a plan.
Signing Donald Penn has given me some relief. Losing a franchise LT then losing another LT left a sour taste. Penn is a vet starter and should be serviceable for the Raiders.
Meanwhile, ownership's impatience with the rebuilding process seems to have revealed itself as the Raiders became a lot older in a hurry. Lots of long in the tooth vets to kick start this team in 2014.
None of this will mean much without a solid QB. McKenzie said in an interview with J-Mac that he has a good idea who will play QB for the Raiders in 2014. Interesting statement but not many options there....
Jones, I always knew we were fans of the same team.
Actually, I think we all learned something, Reggie included, during this FA period.
I think Reggie learned that a team can have all the cap space in the world, but the big name FA's are going to the playoff teams.
That aside, we can finally see a plan taking shape.
The FA vets will hold down the fort for a couple of years, and the young players will push up from behind.
But the upcoming schedule is a tough one. And even 6 wins win be hard to get without a QB.
If I had to pick a QB from the current crop, I woild take Mark Sanchez.
Sanchez is a west coast guy. He is still pretty young, has already played in 2 championship games, and should have some upside.
So again. get a vet QB. And draft a young QB to push from behind.
C'mon Reggie.
Reggie learned that the big names wanted to go to Playoff teams? LOL, that is funny, I am pretty certain Reggie already knew that. Reggie said he wasn't into flashy signings, he didn't want to spend the big dough on a guy that might make an impact.
NOPE, Reggie is for responsible contracts and a good head on their shoulders. Can't build a team by throwing big money at attitudes....that is what Al Davis did, Reggie knows better.
I think it was the Raider fan base who thought Reggie was going to go after big names and make big splashes so all the commentators on the talking head shows would say Reggie hit it out of the park.
Just as Reggie said earlier to local beat writers, and pissed them off with the comment, that he really doesn't care what they think and he doesn't need their input......and those fans were pissed that Reggie didn't follow the AL DAVIS plan of going after names and flash. I am still quite surprised by Raider fans who are STILL stuck in what used to be.
Mark Sanchez? Are you kidding? That guy is DONE, finished if he ever was. I think Reggie has his eye on Schaub, they want that veteran, Reggie said it already that he wants a vet QB this year. Schaub could get a couple of decent years squeezed out of him or even 1 year.....he has done it in the past, Sanchez has never done it.
JONES
Well Jones, to be sure, Al Davis had some mighty swings and misses with FA's.
Des Howard, Sapp, Larry Brown, to name 3.
But Al had some solid hits too. Trace Armstrong, Romo, Rice, Lott.
I guess if Reggie signs enough FA's. He will have his share of hits & misses as well.
Can't agree about Schaub over Sanchez.
Sanchez is in his 20's. An above average athlete, who has already played in 2 AFC, championship games in his young career.
Schaub is a 30+yr old statue, who, at the slightest hint of pressure, will throw a pick 6.
Don't need that.
Man, you can twist a grape into wine, can't you? Come on, you really think Sanchez is a better option because he is younger? Schaub has played at a higher caliber, that isn't debatable. You think Schaub is a statue? What does that make Sanchez? If you are going to mock Schaub and then build up Sanchez...COMICAL, I'm laughing. Schaub is the better option, hands down.
Al had some hits, way too long ago.... and that was the whole point, wasn't it?
Reggie has signed a ton of F.A's already in just his time in Oakland....I would say his AVG is very respectable...once again, name 1 GM who hits on 100% of his moves? = NO ONE.
But you surely need a high AVG especially when your team had no depth and no assets to speak of. But now, with these F.A signings, there is some depth, some talent and some character with chips on their shoulders....I think Reggie is pretty fucking smart...and time will tell because the proof is in his pudding. J E L L O pudding.
JONES
What has Reggie done better than any GM in his position with the money he has to work with?
Tuck - Signed for an amount his ex-team laughed at
Austin - Overpaid compared to other RTs of a higher calibur
Penn - The best available at the time he signed him after every other tier 1 tackle was gone
Jones - Number 2 WR on his team last year
McFadden - Well..
Boothe - Filling holes with money
C Wood - Gotta love the guy...but he is just playing one more year to bridge the gap to social security
Usama Young - Boom!
Woodley - Past his prime, over under on sacks next year is 4
I'm ok with the roster moves. I believe right now the Raiders are a better team than they were last year. But they should be...shouldn't they? 70Mil in cap space and a 4-12 team to work with? I guess I'm really missing the point of what Reggie has done that puts him anywhere above average as far as GMs go.
The same guy that Jones loves to defend with all the downtrodden profanity he can muster up spent the first two draft picks last year on a guy who hadn't stepped on a field since he almost died and a guy who had played like 1 year of organized football in his life. Are those brilliant picks or risks not worth taking considering the condition of the team? You don't even have to be a professional Monday morning QB to say those are probably not the best moves at those picks in the draft considering the teams overall condition.
Again...boring conversation....
Incognito, wants to be a Raider. Discuss.....
Bryan
My opinion on Incognito, would probably be the best value signing of the Raider's offseason. Reggie needs to pull the trigger on that one.
Bryan
For my money (and given a redo) I would have preferred the Raiders not to have been distracted by the mess at LT and, instead, aggressively pursued Eric Decker.
James Jones is a solid vet but his numbers on a better team were about the same as Streaters.
Watkins is a stud at WR but I think the need for a QB trumps selecting him at #5.
Incognito has the talent to improve our line but the jury is out on his character. I'd be surprised if McKenzie even entertains the notion.
Note to Reggie. Sign Pat Sims! Sims is solid against the run, and proved the Raiders were better with him in the rotation. He's not that old and could be a stallworth on the line for many years.
"That has zero to do with it," McKenzie said. "I don't care who drafts them. All that matters is their production on the field. Those two guys (Veldheer, Houston), they were good, solid players for us. That's why we wanted them to stay. But they got their opportunity and they took it."
McKenzie ruled out using the franchise tag on either player because "I didn't want to rent 'em for a year. That's not the way we do it. ... If they don't want to be here, it's time to move on."
In his first interview since free agency began, McKenzie shrugged off losing Saffold and denied a report that owner Mark Davis nixed the deal as well as speculation that a case of "buyer's remorse" caused the Raiders to back out.
McKenzie said failed physicals are relatively commonplace, and it's not unusual for a team to pass a player that another team might fail because they're more familiar with both the player and injury history.
"There's a good reason I don't spend a whole lot of time -- no disrespect -- reading a whole lot (about the Raiders)," McKenzie said. "We listen to our medical people, and a risk is a risk. That's what we go with. We make our decision that way."
"Lots of long in the tooth vets to kick start this team in 2014"
Not exactly. Yes, we added a few vets who are 30, 31 but the majority of the core roster is relatively young.
Sanchez is in his 20's. An above average athlete, who has already played in 2 AFC, championship games in his young career.
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Jones, if you read my original post above, you might notice I name 3 solid reasons for liking Sanchez over Schaub.
And yes, age is important, because at age 28, Sanchez still has room to grow, improve, with upside.
Schaub is what he is.
Did Schaub throw a pick 6 in seven straight games last year ?
I believe he did.
I wouldn't look at Sanchez or Schaub as anything more than a fill in mentor for the new QB of the future. Schaub is a much better fit for that, IMO.
Sanchez is lost, he doesn't care....if you don't put the work in, you become Mark Sanchez.
Schaub had a bad year, so did the rest of their team. A change can do a vet QB some good, especially with a new air in Oakland. IMO, there is no way Reggie goes for Sanchez, he doesn't like head cases, that is what Sanchez is.
We will see how it plays out.
JONES
Reggie has acquired one above average player under 26 that is Sio Moore. That portends pretty badly for the future and Reggie's skills as a GM
Looks like Schaub is heaindg Oakland's way. Flying in for a physical, other than that trade is complete for a late round pick.
"It's hard to imagine Schaub excelling in Oakland considering the team's offensive line and mediocre skill-position talent. But we don't think he's as cooked as most NFL analysts believe. His arm was never strong, and it looked worse than ever last year. But his string of pick sixes had a lot to do with bad luck, and he was more competent than given credit for in a lot of games.
Schaub is no longer a Pro Bowl pick, but he's a veteran with a chance to be, say, the 20th best starting quarterback in the league. For the Raiders, that would qualify as a big improvement. McKenzie is selling out this offseason in a quest to win seven games."
So, with this move we have secured the distinction of still having the #4 ranked QB in the AFC West. Just not a lot of options out there.
Bryan
Texans should be sending us a late round pick for taking Schaub and his inflated contract. Schaub might not end up being the best QB on our roster, ala Matt Flynn last year, but he certainly brings experience.
Oh well. Chiefs resurrected Alex Smith. Who knows.
This certainly widens the possibilities for the #5 pick, particularly if you believe the QB draft class isn't up to snuff.
If McKenzie drafts a QB, it could well be after the 1st round. If so, it doesn't bode well for retaining Pryor.
McKenzie is not selling out to win 7 games....it's stupid comments like that, that show you are not paying attention or either is the writer you plagiarized from.
Schaub will fill in until the young new QB is ready. Reggie is setting up this team to win as much as possible now and to set the table for the young blood he will bring in, this goes for all positions. Schaub is not the QB of the future, he is not being brought in to save the franchise, much like Palmer was.
IMO, Reggie will not make the trade unless Schaub agrees to restructure.
JONES
The weird thing about this move is the Raiders have more money than they do draft picks so why not do one of two things:
1. Wait for Texans to walk on contract and release him, which they were going to do. The only other team in the country who is reported to be remotely interested in Schaub is the Browns. Even with the organization the way it is the Raiders would be a much more attractive landing spot than Cleveland.
2. Sign Vick who, by the way, is the better available QB, again doesn't cost a draft pick. With the OL that is put together having Vick would be a much better option than Schaub dropping back 3 steps and falling into the fetal position on the ground every 5 snaps.
Time will tell on this one, however, I don't believe anyone had their skirt blown up by this move. Schaub is probably below average at best(the Raiders don't exactly have Andrew Johnson out in the flat to help him succeed) in a league that success is gaged pretty much completely around the QB position.
Bryan
Vick is going to the Jets...Schaub has better stats than most QB's up to last year. Was on a winner and had a bad year last year...he is the best of the bunch and if Reggie can land him with a low RD pick and a contract restructure...do it, Raiders need a vet QB and he is the best option out there.
Schaub's best QBing is probably behind him. Hopefully, so is his worst.
Vick was reported by the media as having "zero interest" in the Raiders.
The way things are shaping up, it would make sense to draft Sammy Watkins. He's an immediate improvement at WR and gives Schaub a better chance to succeed.
It's official, and here's the headline from PFT:
"Raiders give up a pick in the sixth for Mr. Pick Six."
Don't shoot the messenger.
I put it in quotes so you would know that was a quote, not my own. Bill Williamson, who by the way is generally pretty fair with his editorials.
Although Sammy Watkins is probably the most logical near term solution, I believe the Raiders still have to pull the trigger on what they believe is the best QB for the franchise going forward. Waiting until next year isn't the right call on QB. It is worth the swing and a miss to try and land the franchise QB of the future.
I am still concerned about Reggie's eye for talent when it comes to that pick. Look at the last two drafts:
2012
Tony Bergstrom
Miles Burris
Jack Crawford
Juron Criner
Christo Bilukidi
Nate Stupar
2013
D.J. Hayden
Menelik Watson
Sio Moore
Tyler Wilson
Nick Kasa
Latavius Murray
Mychal Rivera
Stacy McGee
Brice Butler
David Bass
So of the 16 players taken by Reggie in the last two years 2 of them were consistent starters last year (Moore and Rivera). That means 13% of the players taken by Reggie in two drafts are healthy starters on a 4-12 team. That has nothing to do with salary cap or contract woes, that is just pure eye for talent.
The fact that there are actually people who feel with the passion that they do that Reggie is doing an amazing job is beyond me.
Bryan
Schaub or Palmer are the best QBs the team has had since Gannon. The Raiders will be better this year than the last two that is for sure. Still not seeing the building blocks for the future yet.
If Reggie had retained Veldheer and Houston or would have picked up alternative young talent like lets say Verner at CB I would have to say he would have earned high marks for free agency perhaps a B+. l
I give him C to C+ so far to date
New take is up: Deja Vu all over again.
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