Five Postgame Takes
1. WOW WOW WOW WOW WOW!
2. My game ball goes to Tony Sparano for fielding a highly motivated team amid a lost season. I loved seeing him yell and holler after a bad call. By comparison, Dennis Allen didn't have much of a pulse, and neither did the teams he fielded.
3. McFadden and MJD? I counter: Murray and Reece.
4. Love Carr having such command during that last drive, then firing up the crowd to help the defense stop the Chiefs for the win. Also love him thanking Jesus afterward. Cynics will say, well, I suppose Jesus made you go 0-10, too, right? But that's not the point.
5. Mack is a force, but the old man set the tone. Woodson was everywhere tonight. Dude's a gamer.
Weekly haiku:
Cocky Chiefs stuck in
the Oakland mud, Raiders step
on their necks, scoreboard!
2. My game ball goes to Tony Sparano for fielding a highly motivated team amid a lost season. I loved seeing him yell and holler after a bad call. By comparison, Dennis Allen didn't have much of a pulse, and neither did the teams he fielded.
3. McFadden and MJD? I counter: Murray and Reece.
4. Love Carr having such command during that last drive, then firing up the crowd to help the defense stop the Chiefs for the win. Also love him thanking Jesus afterward. Cynics will say, well, I suppose Jesus made you go 0-10, too, right? But that's not the point.
5. Mack is a force, but the old man set the tone. Woodson was everywhere tonight. Dude's a gamer.
Weekly haiku:
Cocky Chiefs stuck in
the Oakland mud, Raiders step
on their necks, scoreboard!
posted by Raider Take at 9:25 PM
72 Comments:
The game is over, and the Raiders have more points than the Chefs.
What does this mean ? Is this a win ? It's been so long, I've forgotten.
But really, it is great to finally, finally, finally, remember what winning feels like. Feels great, so let's do it more often.
Amazing how NFL protects Qb's & Wr's from head hits. But Rb's heads are an ok target. Hope Murray is alright.
Murray & Reese gave the spark on the ground, and made all the difference. Where were the coaches hiding these guys all year ??
Great drive engineered by Carr at the end. The D made some big plays too.
One negative was play of ST's. Kickoff coverage really sucked in 2nd half. Almost cost the game.
It all adds up to a win. A win, thank God
Loved seeing the effort, energy, and team spirit ... you know, liked they cared.
Some might say it is only 1 win and the team is still a horrible 1-10 but if the Raiders lost tonight it would be that much more difficult to have any sense of hope.
This team desperately needed a win to ensure that it could get the 800 pound gorilla off their back.
FIRE REGGIE
Nice win! Good to see an actual run game... speaking of which in a recent interview with Adrian Peterson says he seeks a new fresh start with a new team!? Reggie you got the $$$ ???
Think the Hall of Famers had something to do with it?
368 days is a long time to go between wins. Beating the Chiefs for the first win in over a year was a bonus.
Reece has been terrible pass catching this year, probably dropping as many screen passes as he's caught, but you can't say enough about the importance of the last scoring drive when he trumped an entire season of watching McFadden and MJD running the ball.
Nice to be back in the win column. Plenty of time to soak this in. Enjoy!
Running the ball and pressure D. What a novel concept. Moore looked awesome
Have a good weekend
Sandy
This is further proof that it is not all about lack of talent on this team as it is quality coaching.
Sparano was difficult to listen to in his post game speech. I don't know, maybe speeches aren't his thing.
That game was all about Latavius Murray. We dominate the Chiefs if they hadn't hit him helmet to helmet and knocked him out. Hopefully, he'll be back next game. If not, give the ball to Marcel who finally woke up.
I had to go to Krispy Kreme this morning to get pink doughnuts for my daughter's birthday party tonight. I'm wearing my T Brown jersey today, so the dude next to me was giving me weird looks for ordering pink doughnuts with sprinkles. I looked at him square in the face, and said, "Chiefs fans this morning." The whole place died laughing.
My victory haiku:
L Murray ran well
He got hurt, Chiefs almost win
Until Reece woke up!
Take said, "Also love him thanking Jesus afterward. Cynics will say, well, I suppose Jesus made you go 0-10, too, right?"
I agree Take. Not that Jesus made us go 0-10, or gave us the win because the Bible says God causes the sun to shine and the rain to fall on both the righteous and unrighteous. Derek Carr put on his Facebook page, "It is easy to be and stay positive when things are going great, but your character shines through the difficult times." He's for real, and his faith is genuine because he has shown through sunny times and rain, he will give thanks.
LET'S GET 2, BABY!
Mark says Reggie is STAYING. He see's it too, thank goodness he isn't one of the schmucks from this site. You saw, kiddies, that is the team he is building, youth and TALENT. If you can't see what is being built, you must be fucking blind or really dumb. Stop crying, kiddies, wipe up your puddles cause it's almost over. "Reggie can't draft" LMFAO.
Now comes the HC upgrade, more youth coming, like you saw last night....you idiots, pucker up, it's almost time to kiss my ass.
I never wipe
SCAR
Jonesy trying to stir up shit. I don't usually take the bait, but this once I'll respond. You make some good points but you act like a fucktard. Act like a adult and stop writing like you got syphilis in your brain.
No one is going to be right all the time, and the opposite is true. People have opinions and some of them might be different. Get over it.
The truth is I agree with many of your points, and I hope like hell you are right, because that means he Raiders will be winning again,,, but you come off like an asshole in your posts so the only ass kissing going on will be when you look in a mirror and kiss it
SCAR
Fuck you, you know the history on here. What about the assholes who mock everything I write?
I have been behind this team the minute Reggie was hired, I have NOT WAIVERED, unlike you pukes who can't wait to tear it all down. It's not about being right, I have stayed the course while you have jumped off and on.
They have insulted me and Raiders at every turn, yet not a word from you to them.....how bout this....fuck off, and go kiss their ass SOME MORE.
NOw, I only come here now to remind you that you are a bunch of fucking idiots....enjoy.
Raiders are coming back and Reggie is leading them there....I will be back again, to "stir up shit" because you fuckers deserve it, asshole.
Fuck you
The record will forever state that the "progress" of the Raiders in Reggie's first three years was inexcusably slow. Those who didn't excuse it will be on the right side of history.
Improvement is inevitable going forward, as there's nowhere to go but up from being the worst team in the NFL. The team should be farther along right now, but Reggie may get another opportunity in 2015 to show that he is improving his own performance and righting the ship.
The hot seat is deserved, let's see if he can cool it down.
SCAR
I knew I would get a response from you Jones, and I expect nothing less. You're entitled to your opinion. Mine is that we go overboard when we make and take things personal.
I'll get off my high horse now, considering I'm getting personal too.
Go Raiders
Enjoy this win, but come back against the Rams prepared to fight for the win inch by inch!
SCAR
Oh so SCAR is trolling for a response, typical, ya fucking hypocrite. At least my responses are genuine and not some GAME, hey 'scar'?
Only an IDIOT cannot comprehend the task that was given to Reggie. Only an idiot would think it could have been turned around in a year or 2 after seeing how low it was/is. But what can you expect from this site....still cannot comprehend the size of the task...just too stupid, hey Take.
this is the Dumbest site on the net.
History will show that I am correct. That the table had to be wiped clean = 1st 2 years....now the building has begun and DAMN does it look good. Reggie is drafting like a TOP GM, but don't let that get in the way of your FIRE REGGIE. Assholes.
Fuck you, again
Now there's a post that will take the autumn wind out of your sails.. not to mention a feel-good win at the expense of the Chiefs.
So McKenzie escorts the Raiders to the lowest point in their history, with more than his share of missteps along the way, and Jonesy wants all of us to acknowledge he identified this genius from the start... despite his endorsements of Allen, Knapp, Flynn, Schaub, Olsen and a slew of others that keep impeding real and timely progress.
Now, after four years, we can look forward to hiring a “real coach” and starting the process over... save 2-3 players on a roster that is otherwise expendable from top to bottom.
...all part of the master plan.
Yes, Jones. The sun will come up tomorrow.
There’s nowhere to go but up. But, hey, job well done.
Cheers!
You forgot your other tag of "this is the DUMBEST site on the net."
Reggie has had his moments, both good and bad. Let's not forget that he had this off-season to get better coaching, yet didn't. Let's not forget that he came in here, hired a new coach, without assessing the talent that the Raiders had (something he and Dennis Allen openly admitted). Let's not forget that the Raiders could have kept Hue Jackson, and squelched his ego with Reggie's presence, but Reggie decided to let him go.
Some may argue that Reggie let Veldheer and Houston go, but I still believe that they wanted to leave. Veldheer says the Raiders never contacted him, which is true, but the Raiders did contact his agent; and his agent turned down the offer the Raiders made. That has been proven.
Reggie did bring in Brice Butler, Andre Holmes, Rod Streater, and Matt McGloin all who were undrafted free agents. Not too mention Sio Moore, Mack, Carr, Carrie, Shelby Harris, and Gabe Jackson who he drafted.
We still have a tremendous amount of available cash this coming off-season to get a #1 WR, a DE, and maybe a DT or top notch CB. Not too mention a high quality coach.
But that time will come. First, LET'S WIN 2!
IDIOTS. Penn is outperforming Veld, for the 100th time. Veld will not make it to the end of his contract, dead money. Houston has done squat with Chicago and Mack is 10x's better than him anyways.
You left out a few draft picks Nate, but why not, it makes it look worse, right?
You guys are lightweights and as time passes from this point forward, you will begin to understand that the method Reggie used was the RIGHT ONE. CLEAR THE TABLE and RESET IT, then and only then could a REAL HC be hired and that will be this off season. To hard for you to fathom, not my fault, don't hate me because of your ignorance.
Raiders for Dummies
As far as "Reggie's hotseat"...Mark just stated that Reggie isn't going anywhere, no hot seat, only in your pea brain which does not count as reality.
Raiders for Dummies
"save 2-3 players on a roster that is otherwise expendable from top to bottom."
Do you even watch the games? You are TROLL personified. Mack, Moore, Hayden, Carrie, Woodson, Tuck, Carr, Jackson, Watson, Rivera, Murray, Streater, Ellis, Reece, Wilson, Thompkins, Sims, McGee, Howard, King...wtf are you on about? Fucking clueless, that is a nice young core that is going to get more additions this upcoming draft.
Raiders for Dummies (you)
So the next big challenge for McKenzie is to identify and hire a "real" head coach.
The guy who hired Dennis Allen, allowed him to bring in Greg Knapp and then retained Allen this off-season only to fire him after four games.
You can't make up this stuff.
Raiders have been rubbing elbows with 76-77 expansion Bucs and the Matt Millen Lions. This is league history bottom dwelling we're talking about.
Nothing to be proud of, and certainly nothing to get on a soapbox about.
If it wasn't for Carr and Mack, Raiders prospect of rebuilding and, frankly, McKenzie's existence with the org would be a complete sham. These guys were handed to the Raiders on a silver and black draft platter.
Jonesy, you need to get over yourself and stand in line with the rest of us who are praying for more divine intervention and a miracle HC.
Show some humility.
"Nothing to be proud of, and certainly nothing to get on a soapbox about."
Yeah, there is something to be proud of, did you see the game last night? Are you a Raider fan or just a clown? The team is headed in the right direction, that is plenty to get on the soapbox about. Change your tampon, you stink.
Raiders for Dummies (you)
McKenzie has PROVEN he can draft, none of this "fell in his lap" bullshit. Your clichés are getting outdated, maybe you need a new set?
"divine intervention" you are a joke, so Hayden, Watson, Moore, Mack, Carr, Jackson, Ellis, Murray, Carrie, Penn, Jones, Tuck, Woodson, Brown, Sims etc all fell into Reggie's lap. You are pathetic, how can you even write this shit? Like you are an authority? You don't know a damn thing.
You suck
Sorry, made a mistake, the only thing, ONLY thing you know, is what the mainstream media is parroting. You say the same damn talking points. It means you aren't original at all, just a puke being a puke, good job.
You don't even like the Raiders
Gentlemen
Just ignore Jones's foolishness, if we also stop responding to him. He will go away like the child he is.
Let's enjoy the win
Sandy
Speaking of the win. How about MAck and Moore celebrating 25 yards behind the play after 3rd down. Thank god the Raiders won so that can go down in history as just a blooper and not the stupidest move in recent history
Lol
Sandy
Moore & Mack are without question, 2 strong core pieces to build on.
DJ Hayden is finally starting to develop with the recent run of games. He still has a long ways to go but as his confidence has grown, so has he aggressive play. Alot of fans on this site had completely written him off. Carrie and Hayden could become 2 very good corners for many years to come.
Two very good corners for years to come. Based on what 4-5 games? What you makes you think this? Hayden has way more negatives both in terms of play and health and play than positives. Can you really say he has played even one mistake free solid game?
The D looks improved but its is due to the OLBs, I think you are reaching. At best those two deserve more of a chance to see what they can do. I don't think you can pencil them in as starters for the next 5 years just yet.
Sandy
Just an opinion Sandy. I like what I've seen in both Carrie and Hayden. I also realize both have development in front of them. Both are young and need to establish a consistent perforrmace level. Hayden played close to a flawless game vs. the Chiefs. Perfect? No but let's face it, CB is a very difficult position to play in the NFL with the rule changes and the volume of passes in a pass happy league.
CJ,
I sure hope your right. CB has been a revolving door during the Reggie years. I still think with the Raiders cap room signing a proven high end vet (who is not on his last go around) would be prudent going into next year.
Given how bad Watson has looked why is McCants not being given an opportunity at RT?
Regards
Sandy
What is hacking me off right now is how the mediots continue to hammer "the celebration" in the 4th Quarter, not even giving credit to the Raiders tough play, but looking for something to mock.
LET'S GET 2, BABY!
Raider Nate
I hear ya bro but you got to admit that was rather an incredible display of idiocy the likes of which I have never seen. Your right it was not factor in the end so we can look back on it and laugh but did you see how pissed off Woodson was post game.
All that being said Moore and Mack are making things happen
Regards
Sandy
SCAR
What's the word with Latavius? That guy really boosted the offense. Reese and Murray should get the bulk if not all of the carries, based purely on production.
Mcfadden and MJD are washed up...
Carr has upside galore, but still plays like a rookie. Just take a closer look at the last game drive against the Chiefs..1 should have been interception, 1 could have been interception, 1 pass interference that extended a drive, and 1 great catch by a wide reciever... With a passable running game however, Carr wont be expected to carry the offense on his shoulders.
If the Running game is better for the rest of the season with Reese and Murray, then the question marks I have had about the Offensive line could also be attributed to McFadden and Reese.
The defense is one Nick Roach short of really being good at stopping the run this year. I give credit to the front seven for being better at stopping the run and just think to myself that drafting a middle linebacker early would just set up a linebacker corps that could be dominant for years..
This sunday, will the Raiders carry any momentum? Will they slide? Will Olsen call a halfway decent game?? Will the defense continue to play good?
SCAR
SCAR
**attributed to McFadden and MJD
SCAR
Sandy,
No doubt it is hilarious, but shouldn't be the "only" focus of that game. I can definitely laugh about it now, but I was screaming when it was happening.
The other thing, Moore told Tuck never to talk to him like he did after that play again. Really? Or what? Respect the vet, and quit celebrating like an idiot until there is something worth celebrating like a Championship.
SCAR, last I heard Reece is going through concussion protocol, but nothing has been mentioned outside of that statement. I hope Sparano is true to his word and gives Reece more carries. He should be our #1 back until Murray returns.
Hey McFadden, I thought you were going to show Oakland Raider Fans why you were worth keeping? I'm still waiting....
LET'S GET 2, BABY!
Raider NAte
Remind me again where in tExas you live. D you get to Austin often? I was there a few weeks ago. awesome town, great music, great food. I would trade living in south fl for austin any day
Scar
Do you watch the Cowboys game last night. Your comment about Roach made me a little wistful for McClain to have gotten along with Allen. This year's McClain with Moore and Mack would be bad ass
Regards
Sandy
I was happy the Raiders finally won a game. But it didn't really change my opinion about Reggie.
However, to be fair, better running backs have improved the running attack. So maybe the 0-line is a little better then perceived.
And better coaching by Sparano has at least kept Raiders in most games, and even got a win.
That being said, and no matter what happens with Reggie. A top HC must be brought in this off season.
No more fooling around with unknown, Oc's, and Dc's.
Assuming Mark Davis doesn’t make a change at GM, all eyes have to be on McKenzie to find the Raiders next HC.
No matter what options, or lack thereof, people think McKenzie had, he chose Dennis Allen over an experienced HC to get us through circumstances no inexperienced HC should be asked to manage. Equally as bad, McKenzie was oblivious to Allen’s shortcomings and stuck with him too long.
Raiders’ brass has expressed they think current circumstances in Oakland (franchise QB, star LB and cap space) will entice a “real” HC to come in and rebuild this team.
Unless McKenzie is fired before hand, that’s a huge test (hurdle) for a guy that has made at least as many bad choices as good ones in his short GM career.
Meanwhile, a win or two is really nice but a bit hollow and difficult for me to label progress when you consider the massive change that still looms. Most of the players and all of the coaches are likely gone after this season.
The only progress, as I see it, is gaining valuable experience for young players. Helpful, but also somewhat minuscule compared to the work still to be done.
So it's set that the Raiders will jettison Sparano and look for a new HC? I suspect that we'll keep Sparano for another year just to try for consistency, especially if the Raiders win a few more.
IMHO, RM's main problem is being way too cautious with money when it comes to free agency. Yet, compared to the old regime where the future was constantly mortgaged, I actually prefer his brand of compensation. Yes, we could've gotten Rashad Jennings, Philip Wheeler, and other FA finds that he made and let get away. But I ask all of you seriously, before Al passed away, can you find a recent Raiders team that had as much potential as the young guns this year? I remember each draft class as mostly busts rather than booms yet there is so much potential with Carr, Mack, Moore, Jackson, Murray, Carrie, etc.
Yes, the past three years has been disappointing. I almmost gave up this year. But I'm happy there's a silver cloud at long last.
LGR
PS Jones, you have some good points but the way you go about trying to prove it, really is so off-putting that few can get past it. Are you more interested in proving points, or slamming folks? It sure looks like the latter.
PPS You others have points too. Even though I'm as impatient as you all, I think a long view serves us better. Don't forget, RM had to upgrade EVERYTHING in the organization in his first year. I'm sure having to decide on computer systems or even regular staff employees took up much of his time. Other GMs who upgraded their teams in one year, didn't have much shit to deal with.
Sandy,
I live in Austin, so yeah, I'm here everyday. I like this town, but not the humidity. Let me know when/if you come back soon, we'll try and get together for some food and hangin' out.
I'm not sold on Sparano as HC. I don't think the Raiders keep him. If they do, I hope they let him bring in his own guys for Coordinators. I'm not sold on either Olsen or Tarver. We've seen the same story with Tarver the past 3 years, defense cannot stop anything, then finally show up the last few games of the season.
This team needs above average coaching. Right now they have mediocre coaching staff, from top to bottom (GM included). I'm thinking Harbaugh crosses the bay. We will see, it should be fun.
I like that the players have rallied to play hard for Sparano, but they did that for Cable, and not many saw Cable as an elite HC. IMO, Raiders need to upgrade coaches across the board. It really boils down to bringing in a quality HC and allowing him to make coaching changes.
RNate, you’ve mentioned before that you thought McKenzie offered Veldheer a contract, presumably, through his agent.
There were two very specific references to this in Corkran’s live chat today, with Corkran stating McKenzie never offered a contract to keep Veldheer.
The whole fiasco of suggesting that re-signing Veldheer was a top priority, then not offering anything has to damage McKenzie credibility with the players.
Isn't Veldheer's agent his brother who only has him as a client? And this is a he said he said situation? Who has more to lose by lying? You all are suggesting RM.
To flip it around, what does RM gain by lying?
Look, I'm really not an RM apologist, but it seems hanging him for not throwing big money at Houston and Veldheer is based on flimsy evidence.
I sort of wish he had the foresight to get Hoyer instead of one of the Matts but then I'm really happy with Carr.
LGR
NY, Reggie himself said that he made several attempts to offer Veldheer a contract. So one of them is lying. I don't know which but the way that Veldheer talks about his time with Palmer and how Palmer reached out to him before the season's end, pretty much tells me that Veldheer wanted to leave.
Players lie about this stuff all the time, GM's are generally more honest about who they reach out to.
The bottom line is I don't think we will ever know who is truthful or who is lying unless Reggie produces tangible evidence of an offer. In the long run, I don't think either side wanted what is being spoken out of their mouths. Reggie didn't want Veldheer back, Veldheer didn't want to come back.
"...what does RM gain by lying [about making a contract offer to retain Jared Veldheer]?"
Credibility, for starters. He had promised to make re-signing Veldheer a top priority.
Let's not kid ourselves. Veldheer was in the last year of his contract and became a free agent by March 2014. There was steady and persistent inquiry by the media regarding any negotiations, of which there was none.
IMO, it was a mistake to let Veldheer go, mostly because finding another long-term solution at LT is now, once again, a top priority for the Raiders. That probably means using a first round pick this year or next year.
If we're lucky, we won't fall into another Robert Gallery trap.
These are the types of decisions that McKenzie should be evaluated, and not two outstanding draft picks that anyone of us would have unquestionably selected.
Here's an interesting Raiders tidbit.
What do Art Shell, Bill Calahan, Tom Cable, and Tony Sparano, have in common ?
All are former 0-line coaches that became Raiders HC's.
How many other teams have so many former 0-line coaches, go on to be HC's ?
Man, we need a real HC in Oakland, and fast.
so Reggie gains credibility by lying? And what happens if it is found out that he is lying? Wouldn't that make him less credible? And you think Reggie is so stupid that he doesn't know lying will ruin his credibility?
You are absurd, you will write just about anything, even if it makes no sense, to try and justify your pathetic 'points'.
Reggie didn't lie and arguing over former players who are being outplayed by there replacement because they have nothing else = Raider hater.
Falling into the Gallery trap? That guy isn't drafting anymore, SMH.
Reggie has only 2 outstanding draft picks? What are you looking at? Beating the same old talking points that are no longer valid....you need some new material, troll boy.
Clowns are YOU
He stands to lose credibility by lying. It's not ambiguous.
So if Reggie is bound to lose credibility by lying, why would he? Would he put his job on the line to lie about a player who obviously wanted to go to Arizona? You are absurd, your theories have so many holes. Stop ACTING like you know, repeating mainstream media talking points doesn't mean you know, ya know?
Just stop, troll boy
Raider00, you forgot Joe Bugel as well. He was an O-line coach who became a Raiders HC.
Mike Munchak was the Titans O-line coach before becoming HC, and is now O-line coach in Pittsburgh. Mike Tice was an O-Line coach with Minnesota before becoming Head Coach.
What is more of an interesting question would be, "How many O-Line coaches became Head Coaches and won the Super Bowl?"
Happy Thanksgiving everyone! Be safe.
Jones, you state Veldheer wanting to go to Arizona as being "obvious" then tell me to stop "acting like I know". That's rich.
You want to talk in absolutes? I seem to remember last time you blew up on this blog you vowed to never return. You've been trolling it ever since. That's obvious.
He signed the day free agency opened, it was like the deal was done before the period had began.
Do you think Reggie would blow his credibility on a player like Veld? REALLY?
I did return, stop crying about it.
Trolling is writing bullshit trying to get a response = YOU. What I write is genuine, it's real. You on the other hand, just try to provoke and avoid whatever doesn't fit your bullshit. That is trolling, ya dope.
This site is open to ANYONE who wants to write here.....I can write here any time I want and I can write what I want. If you want to discuss football, fine, but you can't, you avoid all my points because you cannot refute them. THAT IS A FUCKING TROLL, you sad sack of shit.
I will address ALL YOUR POINTS while you avoid multiple points presented to you. That makes you a fake, a fraud, nothing more than a provoking monkey sitting on a tree branch scratching his nuts.
Welcome to the Jungle, baby
McKenzie had an entire year to communicate his intention to Veldheer. After no contact through the entire off-season, why wouldn't Veldheer be ready to sign somewhere else?
McKenzie was busy chasing Saffold.
Another McKenzie failure!
Only you would think that me stating my opinion is provoking.
One rule for Jones.
Cheers!
The question I had for the chat which didn't get picked up, I'd like to toss out to you all.
I know RM's getting reemed for shoving millions at first Flynn and then at Schaubby. But I'm looking back over who all were available and honestly don't see many answers there. Would any other QB have given up their spots to Pryor then McGloin? Don't think so, but then other QBs probably wouldn't have produced a winning team either.
I know V. Young was often tossed out here as a possibility back then, but he ended up a backup somewhere else. Who else? Anyone worthwhile was retained by their own teams so the FA QBs were mostly 2nd tier... and NO ONE not even the Browns this year, thought Hoyer could've been a starter.
So, hindsight being 20/20, who else would you all have gotten as QB? Would you have gotten EJ Manual instead of DJ Hayden and groomed him? Or gotten someone like a Hoyer?
Thanks, I appreciate your insights.
LGR
Raider Nate I will for sure look you up next time I get to Austin. Don't tell me about humidity I live in Ft. Lauderdale. What is your go to places for bbq?
NY, I completely agree with you the loss of Veldheer was a serious set back. Penn has played somewhat well but Veldheer could have been a mainstay for 5 plus years. Imagine if the Raiders use their 1st in the coming draft on an OL how unfortunate that would be. If Reggie had kept Barksdale and Veldheer the Raiders would be in much better shape and could focus on DL, CB WR etc etc.
I wish everyone a happy thanksgiving and all the best to your families
Sandy
provoking is ignoring others points and just repeating your same points over and over. That is a troll = NYR. It's insincere at best and isn't discussing, it's provoking to try and get an angry response. Like the Saffold point....Saffold is rating higher than Veld, when he plays. Penn is rating higher than Veld, but again, you keep harping what a mistake it was to let him go and his 35 mill over 5 years and odds have it he won't finish out. It's not a mistake, but you hang on to that point like it's your life.
As far as Schaub, the Raiders had to fill out the cap requirement and they needed a vet QB. Schaub fit the bill, Flynn was a stab in the dark that really had no chance working out but all that was there was Pryor and McGloin a rookie. These guys don't take into consideration the context of how these players were signed and traded for. They are very limited and can only see a few feet in front of themselves. Just expect the same mainstream media talking points for a reply. Their depth of knowledge on the Raiders is somewhat lacking.
Same old chit
Charles Woodson...
"It would mean a great deal to play here and to get back into the playoffs and have a chance at going to the Super Bowl. Coming into this season I had all the confidence in the world that we would be a much better team than what we are. With that being said, I still believe in the process, and like I said, I don't know what happens after this year, but if I do decide to play again and it's here, I'm going to have the same confidence because I believe that they will continue to bring in the right people."
Whoever the Raiders head coach is next season, if they want to bring back Woodson, they might want to bring back assistant defensive backs coach, Marcus Robertson as well. Since training camp, Woodson has credited his improvement as a safety to Robertson.
"I think the greatest thing for me this year is the addition of Marcus Robertson," Woodson continued. "I've said that countless times already, but he's really helped me see the game better from a safety position. Yeah, I can play the game, but having him, having a guy who I feel like is one of the best coaches I've been around in my career, and helping me get better, has been a key for me."
NYR - This statement is rather dubious:
"McKenzie had an entire year to communicate his intention to Veldheer. After no contact through the entire off-season, why wouldn't Veldheer be ready to sign somewhere else?"
Do you honestly believe that RM had no contact with Veldheer or Veldheer's agent?
Veld fired his agent and hired his brother half way through the year. But dumb Reggie just couldn't get on the same page as the genius brother Veld. SMH
OUTRAGEOUS
@ LGR
IMO, the progression we witnessed, Pryor then McGloin made more sense as a stopgap to a franchise QB. I was disappointed when Flynn was brought into the mix, mostly because I really wanted to see if Pryor had what it takes (remember his presence as a leader in the last game the previous year?). I thought drafting Wilson was a smart move and he would have been #3 QB on the roster. Wilson was let go because of Flynn, who was a complete flop. Looks like Wilson may have been a bad choice too.
@ Sandy
Thank you. You totally get my point.
@ Calico Jack
CJ, we both follow the Raiders very closely. Do you remember hearing about any communication between McKenzie and Veldheer or his agent? Re-signing Veldheer was the most anticipated move the Raiders were to make last off-season. It's safe to say, the media had its proverbial ear to glass on the wall. Steve Corkan has been very clear on the point that an offer was never made. To me, an offer would have been the essence of any communication.
Lucky for the Raiders, Penn has performed pretty well in pass protection. But he’s also part of an O-Line that has failed to produce any reasonable running game.
Cheers, guys.
Happy Thanksgiving to all!
Luckily Penn has performed well? I like how Reggie's good moves are 'luck' and 'divine intervention'. But not signing Veld because his brother had already made a deal with Arizona, is Reggie being dumb.
Or Reggie blowing a 4th RD'r on a QB when all his other picks are looking good. NO GM in history hits on all his moves. Reggie has had to make more moves than any GM in sports in the last 3 years and he hasn't blown many.
But these guys, they still say letting L Houston go was major mistake. They think they know better, but in fact have cornered themselves because as time rolls on, they will be seen as dinosaurs = EXTINCT.
Just like Charles Woodson says, the process is still in swing and it will only get better. Where will these guys be then? Still crying about players who have been replaced with better players? Who cries about that?
SILLINESS
Nate...You're right. I forgot about Bugel. And Art Shell had 2 go arounds.
My God, it's worse then I thought!!!!....LoL.
Sandy,
My favorite BBQ, that's tough. Salt Lick is good, so is Blacks is good for ribs, and Mann's for pulled pork. Rudy's is good brisket and kick back atmosphere. There are a few others outside of town that are yummy. BBQ is the bomb.
Thanks Raider Nate. I am all about the brisket which I have always found to be a the true measure of how good a place is. I have tried salt lick, ruby's and Franklin.
I am flipping between Baylor and FSU as I write this.
Have a good weekend
Sandy
From the media:
"Next to Saffold [who McKenzie offered a 5-year $42.5M deal which was later pulled] is right tackle Joe Barksdale, the Raiders’ third-round pick in 2011. Oakland cut him a year and a half later after the new regime determined he was a bad fit for the zone-blocking run scheme, which the Raiders scrapped soon after."
That’s a shame. Bringing ZBS back to the Raiders was probably the single worst screw-up by McKenzie and his coaches. This process really set the Raiders back.
Raiders could sure use a quality young RT.
NY
You are so correct. Sometimes its not about what you get right but what you get wrong. How different would the Raiders look if they had picked Star or Richardson, kept Barksdale then drafted Alonso, Bell, Lacy, Mathieu or anyone else in the second round.
Maybe a second win today against the Rams?
Regards
Sandy
Disgusting
SCAR
Woodson looks old and slow.
Of course Mcfadden cant run and cant pick up his assignments. but whats new? everyone but Olson Seems to know that
Marcell Reece getting calls for the run? Why would the Raiders do something that works?
Carr Loves to throw 3-5 yard dink and dunk passes. Never wants to take shots downfield. Its bad DNA that I wonder if he will solve if and when he actually gets weapons...
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Put in McGloin
Bench Carr
Maybe draft Mariotta. The Panthers did it with Cam Newton(1st) and Jimmy Clausen(2nd) the year before and it worked out. Could be that maybe should happen with the Raiders too...
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Hey Take,,,Maybe the clown car shouldnt come out. as in the wheels fell off before it could even make it out of the garage...
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The clown car is revving up, game day threa is now up, bang it there
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