Broncos Gameday Thread
Well, here we go on the final leg of a quest to reach 4-12 for a third straight time. Let's keep the Clown Car on ice and break the Broncos. Go Raiders!
posted by Raider Take at 9:38 AM
posted by Raider Take at 9:38 AM
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Funny that 4-12 seemed like an impossibility a few weeks ago, particularly since the Raiders were intentionally "tanking" all their games.
Last game of the season. Time to leave everything on the field, players and coaches!
I live out in Colorado, it would be great to beat Peyton once. I saw NFL.com had a re-draft article which suggested that Houston take Mack(over Clowney) and the Jags take Carr(over Bortles). It's nice to see us actually having some good draft picks. Still on the fence about Reggie, but I feel like another year would not be as terrible as some think.
GO RAIDERS!!!!
AngelicRaider
Another +30 pt loss to the Donkeys. Clown car makes its final appearance in 2014. Thank god its over...
Another uninspired performance. Shame the season could end with a win. Mack played injured so we really didn't have our best player out there.
Mark Davis interviewed on Sat. Said McKenzie will be involved in HC interview process... which Sparano will be a candidate. IMO, Sparano blew his chances by punting on 4th & 5 from mid-field, down by 3 scores.
Time to blow it up again and start from scratch.
The Raiders get the #4 pick in the 2015 draft.
Tony Sparano is not the right guy for HC. Harbaugh is officially available. JUST WIN, BABY!
Ahhhhhhhh, well well well, another lesson for the dopes here. Please don't question me again. Jano sits on a 57 yrd FG attempt in the thin air of Denver? For a punt? Did you see the players? Did you see Sparano hide in a huddle with the O-line on the bench?
AND.....AND....did you hear that Tampa Bay sat their starters in the 2nd half when they were winning at halftime? PURE TANK JOB.....don't fucking think you can tell me what is up, You dumb shits....SMH......When I tell you something, listen, don't mock, cause it ALWAYS comes around to bite your little queer asses.
Told you AGAIN
Media are reporting Raiders took a shot at Harbaugh but he's leaving the bay area and going to Michigan.
As of Saturday, the team owner still vows to be directly involved in the HC hire, which implies he doesn't have that confidence in his GM.
Considering these developments and one lone dumbass fan rooting for the team to lose yesterday, it's already a bad start to the off-season.
NY
Well said. If we go in to next year with some mediocre second tier head coach and Reggie as GM playing in the worst stadium in professional sports
I will personally give up all hope.
The onus is on Mark he needs to make some big time moves to address both the business and football side of what has become arguably the worst franchise in North American pro sports
Happy New Year
Sandy
Is the table being set for Sparano to come back with Olsen and Tarver at his side?
...it's a real possibility.
It's being reported that Harbaugh is taking the Michigan job. Crap! He was the best candidate for the job.
Well, Mike Smith, Rex Ryan, and Trestman have lost their jobs. All three would be excellent Coordinators. I had said at one point that I wouldn't mind Rex Ryan as HC as long as the Raiders picked up an above average OC; I think that could be a possibility with Trestman as OC/Assistant Head Coach, but I'm unsure if Trestman would attract any offensive free agents, and I think Trestman goes back to Canadian League.
A possible scenario that I've chewed on, and don't think it will happen though, is hiring Jack Del Rio and let him bring in a stout OC.
If the Raiders go after another "first time coach" or "second tier" coach, I'm not going to be happy. All the mediots, and some of the Raiders players (CWood) are saying that Sparano deserves the HC job. I don't buy it. He went 0-7 before winning. If he would have led the Raiders to 6-7 wins since he took over, then yes, he'd deserve it. But he didn't. He was 3-9. Too little too late.
If they go after a first time head coach not named Todd Bowles or Dan Quinn, I will be mad. Those are the only 2 guys that possibly deserve to be a first time Head Coach. But like Rex, these are 2 great DC's, and will probably need a strong OC to be successful. An OC I wouldn't mind being a first time HC is Pep Hamilton. Tremendous job with the Colts, but the opposite, he'd need a strong DC.
Then you have a guy like Ian Rappaport saying that the Raiders should give Mike Shannarat a shot. Really? Hell no, talk about losing your locker room. What has he done post Denver? The only reason he won the Super Bowl twice there was John Elway. He was a cancer before Denver, and went back to his cancerous ways after Denver.
I'd rather have Gary Kubiak or Todd Haley before I have Shannarat again. Stupidest thing I've ever heard.
Sparano-led Raiders got blown out in their final several road games. The point differential has be off the charts.
Plus, once word gets around the NFL that he was actually "tanking" the season, he'll never work again... unless, of course, the Raiders retain him. But then why would any current player or free agent want to play for someone that would risk their injury/career for such deceit.
Silly fans, getting upset is only for ticketholders. Clown City. 2016 is the soonest .500 will be seen. Till then, Go Pats.
Rex Ryan would attract free agents to the Raiders. But again, I'd only be on board with that move on who the OC was. Who would you rather have as an OC, Trestman or Mike Smith? I'm not sure either one would attract offensive free agents, but they are both a step up from Olsen. Who would you guys like to see as the next Head Coach, OC, and DC now that Harbaugh is off the board? You know what would be epic, if somehow Jon Gruden became our next coach, and Rex Ryan our DC. That would be awesome!
Predictions for the playoffs:
Baltimore v Pittsburgh. I think even if Bell plays, he won't be effective. Ravens win 21-20.
Arizona v Carolina. Zona wins with a 3rd string QB, 23-14.
Cincy v Indy. Indy wins 32-20.
Detroit v Dallas. This one is a little tougher to pick, but I think Dallas wins 20-17 in OT.
SCAR
Gruden,,,NO
Harbaugh,,,NO
are there Brinks trucks full of money waiting to be given to the right guy? WTF is goin on?
I don't know who the candidate with the "It" factor to make the Raiders contenders for championships in Carr's era is at this point but Mark Davis is paying Reggie McKenzie ALOT of money to think about it full time and hire the right guy....Uhhh, I'm not feeling too optimistic right now. How serious is Mark Davis about getting the right coach?
Sparano? Ok,,,If we want to be 8-8 sure....
SCAR
Nate - I'd like to see the Raiders go through a methodical interview process before picking the best candidate for the job. For some reason that's a process that seems to completely escape the Raiders organization, even post AL.
Setting aside for a moment that McKenzie has done less than a stellar job as GM, you look at the list of coaches like Dennis Allen, Greg Knapp, Greg Olsen, Jason Tarver, etc., and you can’t help but wonder what the hell is going on in Oakland. Is this organization and its top executives even capable of making such an important decision that faces them right now?
My vote is that Mark Davis seek professional consultation to help him through this process... and not the simple advice of a couple ex-Raiders.
Honestly, this process should have started in Week 5 of the season.
Amazing as it sounds, my prediction is the Raiders end up with the status quo. Davis and Mckenzie both seem satisfied with the direction of the team and “progress” that’s been made.
I hope I'm wrong but what a slap in the face that would be!
LMAO, you children, already crying that the offseason is a disaster, SMH. Hey dopes, can't interview those who are still coaching, it's called TAMPERING.
You want Mark to hire a consultation company that knows shit about football in the NFL? Wow, you are so clueless it's embarrassing. This truly is the DUMBEST site in football.
I'm sure the process has been ongoing, but I am sure you are picturing Reggie watching Gilligan Island re-runs with his cheese puffs?..."Amazing as it sounds, my prediction is"......yes NYR, everything you write is so amazing....SMH.
Clueless R U
Nate, NY
The scary part is that we can not come up with that many good names now that Gruden and Harbaugh are out.
Of the names Nate mentioned Rex Ryan is the most appealing.
I live in south Florida let me tell you Sparano sucked when he was the Dolphin coach and he sucks now. The only thing worse than Sparano coming back as coach is Reggie coming back as GM.
Regards
Sandy
Looking like Jack Del Rio is the most likely new head coach. At least he is experienced and qualified. If true, the key in my book is hire a cutting edge OC to pair with the defensive minded Del Rio. We shall see. No harm in keeping Sparano around as the OLine Coach.
I don't know. It was Sparano that identified Austin Howard, and he endorsed Howard's move from tackle to guard. Also, the 2014 O-line is one of the worst groups in Raiders history. They were terrible at run blocking and would have given up many more sacks if not for Carr.
Raiders need a fresh start. Retaining any part of the 2014 staff should be left to 2015 HC/GM.
Meanwhile, Raiders set to interview Eric Mangini, who failed twice before as HC.
Pickins' are slim, and there are other more appealing HC openings in the NFL.
I'd rather keep Sparano than hire Mangini. I'm starting to like Pep Hamilton. I know we have to wait to interview him until the Colts get knocked out, but how much will his stock rise if the Colts go to the Super Bowl?
I think we are better off finding a strong OC to be our head coach, and bring in a strong DC. If we are to go the DC route as Head Coach, then bring in Rex to interview, and Del Rio when the Doncos get knocked out the playoffs.
Profootballtalk is reporting the Raiders are interviewing Pat Shurmur (Eagles' OC), I like this too and think it would be a good first time hire.
CSN Bay Area is reporting that Eric Mangini is being brought in for an interview. They are assuming that it is for the HC job. I think, since he is the TE/Assistant Coach for the 9ers it is for a DC position under Sparano (if they retain Sparano). Both are Parcells disciples, and may have worked together at some point under Parcells.
Raiders face a huge uphill climb. IMO, any high-level coordinator is not going to want to be a coordinator for the Raiders. That's a step in the wrong direction.
If Shurmur is hired as HC, let's hope he brings Maclin with him.
P.S. Shurmur was apparently given permission to interview with the Raiders. So, obviously, there are windows of opportunity to interview coaches of active playoff teams.
If we search for a re-tread coach, look to the TV Booths and see if we can bring Mariucci out of retirement.
NY,
Eagles are not in the playoffs
Thx, RN. My bad. Shurmur's permission came as a matter of his contract, and as NFL policy to allow assistant coaches to elevate to HC.
Point remains that Raiders and other teams will be given opportunity to pursue coaches on playoff teams prior to SB.
From PFT: "Jets have identified five G.M. candidates so far."
Doesn't mean one will be their next GM but give them credit for attacking the process. And give them credit for giving Rex Ryan a chance. Ryan is a top tier DC in the league, and deserved that shot... and probably another chance with another org... maybe the Raiders.
When Dennis Allen was hired by RM, he barely had experience as a coordinator.
Tinfoil
Not sure I wouldn't add Tom Cable to this list. His teams had a toughness that seemed old school Raider-like. And his teams had pretty good run games.
Put him together with Rex Ryan as DC and Mark Trestman as OC and I think it would be a good combo.
Tinfoil
Unless McKenzie hires Cable to be HC, I don't believe the Raiders have the clout to bring him back to Oakland. Cable is assistant HC in Seattle, at the top of the NFL.
IMO, Raiders will have to offer advancement and/or over pay to bring top coaching talent.
SCAR
"Davis made an offer that topped Michigan’s money terms, according to Fox’s Mike Garafolo," per Kawakami.
So Davis did back up the brinks truck...That gives me confidence going forward that money won't be the issue in trying to bring in the right guy... The Raiders still need that right guy...
SCAR
Raiders need the right guy which isn't a retread or someone who hasn't been a Head Coach (yet) in the NFL or someone who has been out of the league for 4+ years. Agree with NYR that the pickings are slim. The only Head Coach that I feel checked all the boxes was Harbaugh.
With Harbaugh heading back to College - Del Rio seems our best bet going forward.
The fact that McKenzie is still employed consumes any hope going forward.
1st year - Have to deconstruct: 4-12
2nd year - Have to continue deconstruction: 4-12
3rd year - "No excuses" time to make the playoffs: 3-13
Its ammature hour in Alameda. The guy can't put together a sentence without sounding like he is borderline retarded and is still at the helm after going 11-37. What a joke.
Bryan
In an off-season move, Chiefs signed former Packers 2011 1st round draft pick, OT Derek Sherrod, who the Packers waived last Nov. Wasn’t McKenzie Director of Player Personnel at the time Sherrod was drafted? Seems like a pretty big miss to dump a 1st round pick mid-season.
52-0 loss to the Rams. How in the world can Mark not clean house and ax Reggie after that?
This sums it up really well for me.
http://tinyurl.com/k34uzyq
The offseason process to find a new GM/HC combination should have started months ago, i.e., once it was obvious the season was toast. With Mark Davis and Reggie McKenzie, the Raiders don't have the clout to secure a top tier HC (ala Harbaugh excepting less money and leaving his bay area home to coach in Michigan... reportedly a job he once turned down for less money to become HC of the 49ers).
IMO, Raiders best chance to connect with a decent HC might be to swing for the fence with a top assistant coach.... basically, the same gamble McKenzie made with Allen.
"accepting" less money... it sometimes helps to proof before posting.
SCAR
Why isn't Jim Mora Jr. coaching in the NFL? Is he on MD's and RM's Radar? Should he be?
Happy New Year!
SCAR
I am ok with Rio as HC. Bill belicheat was the coach with the Browns for 4-5 years, went to the Jets to be DC and then turned into a very good coach (regardless of how much we hate him). It's also about who he could bring in as OC and DC. I also love that he grew up in the Raider Nation!! Happy New Year to everyone even the sourpuss.(just as we got rid of panty guess who steps in)
AngelicRaider
I don't know much about Del Rio. He might be ok, but he’s a retread without a winning history. Plus, that would make back-to-back times McKenzie reached into the Broncos DC well for a Raiders HC. Broncos have a decent defense, and they were good when Dennis Allen coached them... but John Fox is the common denominator?
Big difference when comparing Dennis Allen to JDR. JDR brings a successful playing and coaching career to the table. JDR was a head coach for 8 seasons. JDR has been a successful DC in 2 stints with 2 teams. The key is for JDR, if hired, to bring a dynamic OC to the staff.
Rex Ryan is the best of a weak field. At least he has personality and would bring some toughness to the team.
Sandy
I don't think McKenzie could handle (work with) Rex Ryan and his Type A personality. IMO, that's why he let Hue Jackson go. By extension, I think McKenzie's presence will preclude the Raiders from hiring a top tier HC.
In Philly, Chip Kelly was just given control over player personnel. Evidence suggests McKenzie would rather micro manage the Raiders into oblivion than give up this authority.
NY
Who cares what Reggie can handle. If Mark had half a brain he would be seeing if Reggie could be parking cars or flipping burgers, which he may be more suited to than being a GM. 11-37.
If Mark keeps REeggie at the behest of hiring a real coach, don't expect to see me on this comment section, I will not follow the team.
Happy New Year
Sandy
And with all of that said, it is being reported this morning that Mike Shannarat has interviewed with the Raiders. Hell has just froze over! I don't want Mike back, not even as OC. I don't want Mangina, or any other hack. Mike, Mangina, or any other coach will not bring in Free Agents. I want a real coach! CALL REX RYAN!
JUST GET A REAL COACH, BABY!
Here's a list of the Raiders' free agents.
Unrestricted:
Larry Asante, safety (should re-sign)
David Ausberry, tight end
Tarell Brown, cornerback (should re-sign)
Vincent Brown, receiver
Darren McFadden, running back
Denarius Moore, receiver
Carlos Rogers, cornerback (should re-sign)
Pat Sims, defensive tackle (should re-sign)
C.J. Wilson, defensive tackle (should re-sign)
Stefen Wisniewski, center
Charles Woodson, safety (should re-sign)
Restricted:
Chimdi Chekwa, cornerback (keep)
Andre Holmes, receiver (keep)
Marquette King, punter (keep)
Brandian Ross, safety
Kory Sheets, running back (keep)
Rod Streater, receiver
Don't the Raiders still owe Shanahan money? Possibly bringing him back to Oakland seems desperate and surreal.
AL is turning over....
It seems as Raider Nation is such disarray these days. We have never been in this situation before in regards to having a GM doing a head coaching search. If we remember that(for better or for worse) Al wouldn't even begin searching for a coach until after the Superbowl, then we have to let this process play out. The list of candidates is always uncertain for EVERY team, it's different that we are expanding to such a variety of coaches. It's not fun and everyone has an opinion as to whether we hire a retread or an up and coming head coach, but the truth is we were trying to get into the modern era for the last few years and the approach was slower and more painful than we could have imagined. Let us remember that The ONLY Nation has the best fans because we have gone through some shit for over a decade now and we still love the Silver&Black!
On a side note: FUCK SHANAHAN
AngelicRaider
Reggie was in Indy Sunday, and after the game interviewed Pep Hamilton. Pete Carroll has also said the Raiders interviewed with Darrell Bevell in Seattle. Pat Shurmur came to Oakland for an interview last week. NFL.com is reporting that Bowles will be in Oakland for an interview next week, and Del Rio is scheduled to interview (though we don't know where, maybe in Denver).
I find that interesting. You'd think that if they were serious, they would bring him in to the facilities to interview him.
I agree Angelic on your side note. I would also add Mangina, Holmgren, and Linehan to that list.
I applaud the high volume of activity from Alameda. I'd much rather see us interview too many candidates than not enough.
SFGate reported that the Raiders interviewed Del Rio this past Saturday, and Shannarat met with Mark Davis after he returned from Dunver.
The Candidate list needs to include Rex Ryan. In my mind, the only 4 people I'm talking too, now that Harbaugh is off the list, is Rex Ryan, Todd Bowles, Jack Del Rio, and Pep Hamilton. Any other candidate is a waste of time.
IMO, less is not more, even if we think they are interviewing the "right" candidates. Raiders have shown us over and over what less can do. So it's time for more.
I agree Rex Ryan should be on the list, if not near the top.
There are only three guys being mentioned who interest me remotely and in order of preference from most to least
Rex Ryan
Mike Shanahan
Jack del Rio
guys like Pat Shumur, Eric Mangini, Tony Sparano I would puke and become a Dolphins fan
Regards
Sandy
Sandy,
I'm not on board with Shannarat. It would be a "package" deal with his son too, who is on his way out of another job in Cleveland because of conflict with other staff members.
How many teams will allow Mike and Kyle to come in and destroy the team? Hopefully the Raiders say no, and move on.
It's being reported that Sparano will have his official interview Wednesday. Why not throw in Wade Phillips as a possible HC Candidate, or Norv Turner II?
Enough of the mediocre, go big or continue losing.
Nate 75
I only put Shanahan on the list out of sheer desperation and the putrid nature of the other candidates. At least Shanahan has won games and championships and knows how to work with qbs. All things considered he did not do terrible in Washington given the circumstances.
All that being said its a friggin joke that the Raiders situation is so bad that I am looking at a guy who based the great Al as a viable alternative. It makes me nauseous.
Were you being sarcastic with your Wade Phillips suggestion. I had not thought of him but now that you bring his name up in all seriousness its not a terrible idea. Norv no thanks.
Regards
Sandy
I'd rather have Wade as a Coordinator, but would take him as HC before I would Shannarat. The only QB Shannarat has worked well with was Elway. He failed miserably with Plummer, Cutler, RGIII, Cousins, Grossman, and one other Washington QB. He's been a disaster with every team he's been with. The exception is of course Denver, but he only won there because of Elway.
I'd
RYan is a blowhard and Shanarat was bailed out by Elway.
The Raiders are in a tough spot because there isn't one guy in the market who will come riding in on a white horse to save the day. The elite are not available nor interested in some a huge undertaking.
Reality is that we need someone who will (a) roll up their sleeves and (b) command the respect of the staff and 53 men and (c) work in harmony with the organization.
The next head coach could very will hopefully be a bridge to respectability BEFORE another head coach arrives in 3-4 years to take us to the promise land.
CJ,
Your post is depressing though probably true unfortunately. Maybe the Raiders should look for some from college?
Ryan might have a big mouth but he had success in NY with no QB, knows D real well and at least would bring passion and enthusiasm as well as a degree of toughness. I sure would take him over Mangini, Pep Hamilton (whoever that is) Shurmur (lol) and certainly Sparano. I live in south Florida let me tell you Sparano sucks, I also take Ryan over Del Rio I think he has had more success anyone who can get to two AFC championship games with Sanchez at QB must be a coaching savant.
Regards
Sandy
3-4 more years? I thought Dennis Allen and Tony Sparano were supposed to be the transition to better results. Allowing 7 years for Reggie McKenzie to field a playoff team would, IMO, be inexcusable.
This process is already being set up for failure in 2015.
If the Raiders go 4-12 next year will folks say, well, it was so-and-sos first year as HC?
The bar is low, and that's why you give Rex Ryan a shot. Swing for the fence.
Go pay Urban Meyer, once he wins the championship he will want to go to the next level.
The process is a joke, Davis and Madden interview Shannahan in Oakland but Reggie isn't there because he is in Indy talking to Pep Hamilton. One key to a successful interview process is having consistency between candidates. So some time Reggie is in on it, sometimes he isn't, sometimes Mark is in on the interview, sometimes he isn't....sounds like a path without direction.
This organization is a joke.
Bryan
Rex Ryan? Talk about a guy who was a disaster with OB's and offensive coordinators. No way for me. Great defensive head coach; poor game manager. He's last on my list. Shanahan is a decent choice. Elway has credited him in the past with rejuvenating his career and Washington's issues have more to do with ownership than who is or is not coach. I'm okay with this choice as long as management has input into assistant coaches and coordinators.
I imagine there would be second and third interviews.
Have you guys seen this?
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/yahoo-sports-minute/nfl-owner-s-frugal-travel-move-041701230.html
What would you ask him if you sat next to him on a plane?
REx? ARE YOU KIDDING? The guy is a circus. Anyone asking for Ryan needs to STFU. Raiders are DONE with circus acts. Raiders need a SOLID HC, not a personality like Rex that craves attention.
I get the feeling Raider fans will never be able to stop being Al clones, they figure that is what it is like to be a Raider.
Being a Raider is about JUST WINNING. You don't win hiring personalities.
You hire solid individuals who can lead men into battle and give them the best chance to win. Rex does not do that. NFL network will like it cause Rex is their darling because he in NY. FUCK NFL NETWORK AND ANYONE WHO PARROTS THEM.
Your Fav
Madden and Mark met with the RAT to smooth it over. Mark has been rebuilding things that his Dad had torn down. IMO, their meeting was after the SF interview and it wasn't so much about hiring him as HC as it was trying to mend a relationship.
Me
A path without a direction? they are just winging it? What are you looking AT? Fucking children.
Retard Central = RT
Come on Jack, just because there isn't a big name out there, doesn't mean there isn't a man for the job. THIS IS A HUGE HIRE. They have been doing their due diligence to find that guy. Lost out on Harbaugh but so did everyone else. There are coaches who can do the job, it's the F.O's job to find him. Time IS NOW, JACK. No more 3 years, this is it.
Did you see Mark trying to pull in another guy in the F.O.? Former SF GM? He didn't take the job because Mark wants him to work UNDER Reggie. Reggie's the guy, kiddies, get used to it.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
One more thing. This coaching hire compared to any of Al's post Shell 1 hires, is totally opposite of his method. They are interviewing many candidates that would have NEVER interviewed with Al.
It is also expected the Raiders will be one of the 1st to hire a HC. Al always took till mid or late Feb to make his hires. These are things we used to bitch about. Now it's changed but the bitching is the same. Maybe these Raider fans are just BITCHES?
Mirror time
So you don't think we did much under Gruden, Madden, and Flores? All of those winning coaches had personality. Not too mention Hue Jackson. All of our losing seasons revolve around coaches with NO ZERO ZILCH personality. Sparano and DA included.
Madden and Flores worked with Al and so did Gruden....it's totally different now, or haven't you noticed? Just hire a HC that can do the Job, you don't need a cartoon character type to motivate a team. For every Rex, there are more very good HC's who don't have to be on NFL Network every day. By the way, fuck Hue and his GREAT OFFENSE that couldn't get 100 yrds in the playoffs. You Hue guys, when will you DIE?
Raiders
All of our losing seasons were because of a lot more than just a HC who wasn't good enough or didn't have a personality. I like how people take one piece, like personality and mold it into the reason why the Raiders have lost for so long....it's fucked.
Don't do it.
I'm not big on Rex's personality, but my main disqualification point is that he is the worst possible coach to work with a young QB. His record in that department speaks for itself. Carr is the cornerstone. Our main mission should be to build on that. We need a strong QB-HC relationship.
Grape, couldn't agree more. The OC from Seattle seems like a good option. Pep Hamilton would be along the same lines. Reggie has already interviewed both of them. Whoever is hired, just make it the right one. And then help him attract a solid staff around him and watch this team go.
RAIDERS
Nate
Thanks for the link to that article. More evidence that Mark is a complete douche.
Let's be honest guys Mark has never accomplished anything in his life other than be fortunate enough that Al took enough time off from the Raiders one night to shoot a load into Carol.
You look around the NFL and most of these guys are very accomplished businessmen etc. So maybe most of them don't know crap about football but they know how to run an organization.
Mark knows nothing about anything.
Let's take a look at the Rams. Stan Kroenke besides being smart enough to marry a Walton is an accomplished real estate developer and self made multi-millionaire. Is it any wonder he is getting the plum Hollywood Park site?
Meanwhile Mark (Tommy Boy) Davis has done nothing to correct the worst stadium situation in North America. His inaction on the stadium is mind blowing.
Not to mention the buffonary that he has wrought on the football side by hiring a scout to be GM and a novice as coach.
Reggie can not help that he is mongoloid. The real problem I am starting to think is Mark. He has disgraced his father's legacy
Regards
Sandy
We as Raider fans have NEVER been in this position before. Where leading candidates are lining up to be interviewed. When as Raider fans have we ever seen this? = NEVER
RAIDERS
Wow, you need to fuck off. If the Raiders are no longer your cup of tea....then fuck off. Calling the Owner of the Raiders a douche and the GM a mongoloid? You ain't no Raider, you are a fraud just like I said you were when you 1st starting posting. Go away, patriot boy.
RAIDERS
Sandy, the whole process seems a bit busch league. We’ve known since Week 4 that we need a new HC, yet it wasn’t until after the season that this frantic hodgepodge interview activity started.
Shanahan was unemployed in 2014. If he’s a legit candidate, he should have already been interviewed before the season ended; and not wait til now when other teams are pursuing him.
Honestly, the olive branch to Shanahan is a bit strange. I can’t fathom this guy coming back to the Raiders. If he is hired, he better produce at a high level, or there could be widespread mutiny.
TAMPERING, ever heard of it?
Shanahan dropped by so Madden and Mark could smooth over all that shit created from the past. If you haven't noticed, as usual, Mark is mending fences.
It's his team now and he wants to make it right, not with just the RAT, but the league in general.....and you know what, if the league takes notice, they just might throw in some dough for a new stadium.....do you ever THINK? Or is it just reflex to WHINE?
You are not RAIDERS
SCAR
We aren't or at least I'm not aware of all the goings on in Alameda.
I just have to assume(or am I going too far here?) that as soon as DA was fired MD and RM started working on a "list."
This "list" of every potential/available/quasi available coach in America to be the next Raiders head coach was worked on a daily basis right? Some names came and went as the season played out. Some have been on this "list" since the day Allen got fired and have stayed there to this very day right?
Adding and subtracting names in a thoughtful manner to the "list" took up a whole morning once a week. Or was it a whole day once a week? Or was it daily? Really how much time and effort should have gone into finessing this "list" into the the best possible canditates to be the next head coach of the Oakland Raiders?
Who the next head coach is and the process of arriving there will say everything about the ownership and GM.
Go Raiders!!
SCAR
SCAR
I agree
RAIDERS
Hey Tank, how is it tampering if the man is unemployed?
Here's another gem you gave us:
"Hey dopes, can't interview those who are still coaching, it's called TAMPERING."
Let's see; Pep Hamilton, Jack Del Rio. Do those names ring a bell? Coaches from playoff teams.
Who's the dope?
"It is also expected the Raiders will be one of the 1st to hire a HC. Al always took till mid or late Feb to make his hires. These are things we used to bitch about."
Bugel - Hired 1/30/97
Gruden - Hired 1/22/98
Turner - Hired 1/26/04
Shell - Hired 2/11/06
Kiffin - Hired 1/23/07
Jackson - Promoted 1/17/11
Always = 17% (maybe)? You are amazing and obviously very intelligent.
You can call me a name now (in all caps, that always makes you look so much smarter) or you can just continue to discredit yourself with every post you type. Either way, you are simply a punch line with no real value. I'm embarrassed for you.
Bryan
You are the dope, you are the one going on and on about why they didn't have it all figured out by week 4 of this last season, interviews and all. STFU and sit down, little man, you know NOTHING.
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Oooo, got me there, tough guy. So I was wrong about the dates, he was always one of last to hire and he would have to hire a schmuck because all the good ones were gone and none of the good ones would work with him. Is that better?
Small error compared to what you dweebs write on here on a daily basis. Try and use one little thing to discredit, is that all you have with all that I provided in posts yesterday? Must be accurate if that's all you can point at.
RAIDERS
It's comical that anyone would think the process is going smoothly and according to plan; yet, the owner, who admits to knowing nothing about Xs and Os is conducting HC interviews with John Madden.
It is essentially this duo which brought McKenzie to the Raiders and gave him the authority to hire his own HC, but have now lost that confidence in finding a replacement HC.
McKenzie might still be in the building, but he is less than entrusted with GM authority.
If that's the plan, it's a pretty shitty one. Just hope the results are favorable.
NY
Don't you think Mark is the real problem? As I said in my post Reggie is a loser but it sMark who is holding things back in regards to a competent GM, a real coach, a real stadium.
Seriously what has Mark done since Al passed? Make peace with Marcus Allen---who cares about that crap.
I think Mark is an incompetent human being and that is why things are not working.
Mark was quoted as saying "I know what I don't know". MArk that is plenty, sell the team.
Regards
Sandy
Mark and Madden were not interviewing him for a job....They are trying to smooth over the riff. Mark has been trying to smooth over many riffs his Dad left behind. Already wrote this earlier in this thread, guess you missed it?
You read into things that aren't there. You paint pictures that don't equate. You are a fraud, not a Raider, all you do is poke for responses, no sincerity. When I am not posting, almost all your posts are jabs to try and provoke me to respond. Is your life so poor?
I am a Raider
Mark, keep the team and keep building it back to a modern franchise. Keep Reggie and get him more help if he needs it. Once this Org has proven it's stability, then comes a stadium. Again, when his Dad picked up and left, he hurt this Org more than anyone knows. Selling, moving, STFU, it's the OAKLAND RAIDERS owned by Mark Davis, motherfucker.
I am a Raider
AND, if you want to say tanking doesn't equate.....Tampa clearly showed they did, Raiders did but not as obvious. You can still tank for a top 5 position, doesn't have to be #1. There was some tanking going on, to deny it, don't blame me because you are scared of reality.
I am a Raider
Sandy, that sounds a bit strong but perhaps valid.
Mark clearly demonstrates less confidence in his GM so, yes, his mistake is not replacing the GM. The bigger mistake is being more involved with football decisions when you know your limitations are, well, football decisions.
Raiders could still land on their feet. Stranger things have happened... like posting 12 consecutive non-winning seasons in a parity-driven league.
"Mark and Madden were not interviewing him for a job....They are trying to smooth over the riff. Mark has been trying to smooth over many riffs his Dad left behind. Already wrote this earlier in this thread, guess you missed it?"
That's rich. Because you said so, it must be true. And it’s rift, not riff.
Why would Mark Davis be quoted all over the media today as saying he needed Madden in the room to discuss Xs and Os?
Tank, your porch light just keeps getting dimmer and dimmer.
you'll see, time will show you like it has with my other comments that everyone mocks but it always comes around to it.
I made a spelling error...oh no.....I'm so shamed.
Mark says a lot of things, if you really think Shannahan will be hired as HC, you are dumber than dumb. It was a session, maybe it was in a film room, mostly it was about letting it go. Mark wants to smooth things over and get the Raiders back into a good light with other owners and past problems. He can maybe secure some stadium funding from the League.
It's called BUSINESS, something you have no clue of. Mark is bringing back the OAKLAND RAIDERS to a modern franchise. One that doesn't have an axe to grind with the League and it's members. That is what SHANAHAN is all about.
Like I said, it will come out in the wash and you will ignore this like it never happened, just like all the times before, right?
I am a Raider
I like that name, TANK. I just keep rolling right over you, LMAO
I am a Raider
"The bigger mistake is being more involved with football decisions when you know your limitations are, well, football decisions."
Isn't funny that Mark has just said again recently that he really doesn't know a damn thing.....more proof that the Shanahan thing was not about being the HC.
I win
I am a Raider
In Kawakami's report (our fav Raider writer), he quotes Mark as saying when he spoke with Shannarat that it was all football. How would Shannarat evaluate Derek Carr? What would Shannarat do differently and why? Things like that, that Madden asked, and Mark (again quoted by Kawakami) said he and Madden discussed the ramifications (both positive and negative) after Shannarat left.
That doesn't sound like, "we just brought him in to clear the riff (or rift, or raft, or ruft, whatever); it sounded like they actually interviewed Shannarat. They may not hire him, but it doesn't change the fact that they brought him in, "chatted football" under an interview process to pick his brain.
I would hope that the leading candidates would be Darrell Bevell, Pep Hamilton, and Todd Bowles, in that order. I wouldn't mind Jack Del Rio (if we had the right OC). I think at this point it would be easier to hire an offensive minded Head Coach with a strong DC, than the other way around.
So John and Mark wanted to go behind Reggie's back and do an interview? Are you kidding? You really think a guy with John Madden's character would do that to Reggie?
Nahhh, this was about smoothing it out. You'll see, just like you guys told me that tanking doesn't happen. Just like you guys told me the Raiders should have kept Hue....on and on it goes....history will once again show who's right.....just let it play out....don't get pissed at me because I can see 100 miles farther than you.
I am a Raider
Nate, using a sports writer, especially that twerp, is not good practice in proving a point. Mark was throwing the twerp a bone, he wasn't going to tell him anything. So he gives him some lines about learning x's and o's from him....can you guys think for yourselves? Or does the only proof in the world come from beat writers and NFL Network? Tim is a punk, Mark treated him as such, Tim writes an article to rile you....and of course, you bite. Bowles won't Interview.
And the lesson continues
OHHH, and my alltime fav......you guys telling me there is no biased against the Raiders by the NFL, especially by the 'Officials'. Many more, don't make me look for them.
How did that RIFF sound?
Now it makes sense. It's all a conspiracy to fool the media.
Somebody forgot to take their anti-delusion pills.
Nobody said Shanahan's interview took place "behind McKenzie's back." Only that McKenzie did not participate.
Wake up. Mark Davis is conducting HC interviews without McKenzie, and McKenzie is conducting some on his own. No matter how you want to frame it, the owner has lost trust in his GM to hire the next HC on his own, something he did in hiring Dennis Allen and failed miserably.
Face the facts and you will be free of your delusions.
"Nate, using a sports writer, especially that twerp, is not good practice in proving a point. Mark was throwing the twerp a bone, he wasn't going to tell him anything."
So we should make up a bunch of delusional, fantasy stories about what is "really happening behind the silver and black curtain" like you do?
Well, don't start crying for me to show resources when I do.
Mark Davis is going to bring back John Madden as coach, I just know it! If you disagree with me, then your an idiot! The only reason why they are interviewing people is so Madden can find his right Coordinators. Mike Shannarat will be the OC. They are still trying to find a DC for Madden, maybe Perry Fewell who just lost his job with the Giants after doing an amazing job with them the last few years!
If you think Fewell was a failure as DC, then you don't know football, and your just disagreeing with me because YOU'RE AN IDIOT! Dumbest people on the internet right here! I'm a Raider! You're stupid! I don't have to name sources when I know I'm right. You just watch, it will happen!
Children, please stop. If Reggie isn't involved with the GM search in all areas and Mark is deferring to Madden....yes, it a total mess. But that isn't what is happening, is it?
To suggest that Reggie wasn't involved in one of the 'interviews' is declaring that all hell has broken loose in Alameda...is this the picture?
That John Madden is now running the team or always has been, is this your theory? Who's a fucking idiot? John would not do that to Reggie and to suggest his character is lacking and will conduct interviews of potential HC's without Reggie because that is what Mark wants....that is fucking delusional. You guys and your low brow bullshit, you will remain CLUELESS.
I stuck my neck out on the TANKING and look what happened? Sticking my neck out again, over time, it will show that this was a smoothing over. Mock it, make fun of it, go ahead.....we'll see.
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New take is up: Same ol' Raiders?
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