Wild Card Gameday Thread
Y'all, sometimes life gets in the way. Sorry that I haven't been around to water the lawn in this neighborhood lately, but I'm pulling a Lazarus, rising from the internet dead and reviving Raider Take for this run through the playoffs.
This is a tough road ahead, starting right now. McGloin looked terrible last week, and it's possible that his shoulder injury could be our saving grace if Mr. Cook proves more capable and push us past the Texans.
The defense needs to WAKE UP and get out of the clownshow business and start wrapping people up.
GO RAIDERS. Great season with a bad break, so win or lose, the taste remains minty fresh!
This is a tough road ahead, starting right now. McGloin looked terrible last week, and it's possible that his shoulder injury could be our saving grace if Mr. Cook proves more capable and push us past the Texans.
The defense needs to WAKE UP and get out of the clownshow business and start wrapping people up.
GO RAIDERS. Great season with a bad break, so win or lose, the taste remains minty fresh!
posted by Raider Take at 1:30 PM
15 Comments:
Cook the rook, did not look so good, but was in a tough situation. Even with a healthy shoulder, doubt McGloin would have done much better.
Then, the 0-line, already without Penn, lost Hudson, and showed it's lack of depth.
Yes, there were dropped passes, but the Texas D was flying all over the field like killer sharks that smelled blood.
Which brings me to the Raiders defense. How does Raiders D turn Oswieler into Tom Brady ? I don't know how, but they did it.
So I can give the offense a pass due to circumstances, But the Raiders D, awful last week in Donkver, and this week in Houston. No excuse for them, they just STUNK!!!!!!
Agreed. Defense was a weak spot far too often this year. I do think they should have gone to McGloin at some point. It was clear that Cook didn't have the right stuff today, so why not take a flyer in the second half on McGloin to possibly spark something? Unless he's really hurting still.
Tough way to end such a great season. Musgraves did not help Cook at all trying to do screen passes against a speedy defense. Quick slants and outs were better options here. Get the safeties up and keep the LBs where they were, then run an up-n-out and get the running game going.
I blame the coaches for letting the team deflate after Carr's injury. Champs find a way to beat adversity.
Not sure what happens from here, but the defense needs to be better. Norton is a good guy, not sure if he needs help or what, but definitely look lost a few times this season. Reggie Nelson was out of position again on the TD that made it 20-7, biting on the RB in a play action pass.
A terrific season though, I hate wondering how it would have been if Carr had not been hurt. I think he should get the MVP. Looking forward to next season. Proud of the Raiders. JUST WIN, BABY!
The coaches really let the team down, and didn't seem to learn from last week's debacle. The vanilla and predictable offense was painful to watch. Their MO was run on first down and get into long passing downs. Where was the play-action?
The Texans were extremely aggressive on D, including in the secondary. Passing downfield (instead of to the LOS) probably would have resulted in some PI calls; although, the refs clearly were not favoring the Raiders.
Not sure what to make of Norton. He seems like an outstanding coach but a bad coordinator.
Unfortunately, the Raiders fate was sealed when Carr went down. He is absolutely the MVP. I don't understand how there can be any question. Brady had an amazing season but the Patriots were winning without him.
Raiders need a lot of work this off-season. They need to face the reality that Malcolm Smith will never be able to cover a TE and teams will continue to line up their fastest WRs against Sean Smith. These are simple facts.
Guys like Watson and Williams, Jr. have been maintained as integral players but have proven to be injury-prone. Howard is just bad. He was bad when he arrived, and when the Raiders tried to move him to guard. Can this project please be over?
Carr set a record for comeback wins. As good (and driven) as he is, he needs better players around him to keep this team on track for a deep playoff run.
WR group is bitter-sweet. Two 1000-yard WRs but these guys led the league in drops, and were sometimes taken out of games completely. Cooper disappeared for weeks at a time. Funny how Holmes was the standout guy Saturday, and he was the man before Cooper and Crabtree. He has height and decent hands, and should be more involved. Roberts has flashes but he's been dropping balls since he arrived. What would be wrong with shifting these guys around, occasionally creating mismatches with Coop or Crab in the slot?
Much work to do. Raiders will have to get better to make 12-4 again next year.
Welcome back RT, and thanks for keeping the light on all these years. Hope all is well.
NY, you make some interesting points.
I would somewhat disagree about the statement of a lot of work. The only glaring holes in my mind are middle lb and CB.
The offense looks spectacular, though I agree some development of depth on OL would be nice and there is a question at RT. I don't see problems at WR, having Lee Smith back will help the run game, though they will need to make a decision on Murray pending his free agency.
If Edwards Jr. and Aldon Smith can play the whole season I think the pass rush will be much improved. Some combo of Ward, Autry, Lathum and McGee (if resigned) is not a bad interior. I think Karl Joseph is a future pro bowler.
I think the Raiders are primed for a deep playoff run next year with another player or two. My only question is can the coaching staff elevate the team to champion status. Del Rio has been awesome I just don't see him as a brilliant tactician and Norton has to go.
It's sad the way the year ended because I know that with a healthy Carr the sky was the limit. We should celebrate the fact we have the best young qb and the best defensive player in the nfl on our team and both are 25 or younger.
I wish you NY, Take, Nate, 00 and all the rest of the crew a healthy, happy 2017 a quick off-season and look forward to discussing the draft with you in a few months.
All the best
Sandy
I agree Sandy,
I don't think there are a lot of "holes" to fill, but NT/DT, MLB, CB, and RT are the biggest. I think we should draft either a CB or NT/DT in the first two rounds. But I think Vadal Alexander did quite well for the Raiders when Howard and Watson went down earlier in the year. So I'm not sure if RT is really a need, or if Alexander needs another season to develop. There is not a lot in the draft that stands out as a solid MLB pick though.
If Penn retires, we may be looking for a premiere LT too. So as far as Tackles, here are some players I'd target in the draft. Left side: Mike McGlinchey (ND) or Ryan Ramcyzk (Wisconsin), but Ramcyzk may have to have surgery this offseason, so I'm sure if he enters the draft McKenzie will select him. David Sharpe (Florida) would be a good 3rd Round choice at RT if the Raiders go that route, to add some depth. Chad Wheeler (USC) would be a nice late round steal as well.
As far as NT/DTs in the draft: Caleb Brantley (Florida), Carlos Watkins (Clemson), Dalvin Tomlinson (Bama), and Davon Godchaux (LSU).
CBs: Jalen Tabor (Florida), Adoree Jackson (USC). Tabor is projected by Walter Football to be a top 10 pick, while Jackson will be a first rounder. Jackson is an electric player, and reminds me a lot of Charles Woodson when he was drafted (minus the Heisman). For later rounds (in no particular order), Brandon Facyson (Virginia Tech), Donavan Wilson (TXA&M), and Jordan Thomas (Oklahoma).
You guys are the best! Thanks for sticking around this place despite me locking myself in the attic for the past several weeks. I wouldn't have blamed you for walking out the door. It's awesome to see the conversation continuing here, and I'll aim to do a better job with the upkeep.
My offseason prescription at the moment is (1) heal up Carr; (2) tighten up the defense (even in a great season we were still seeing clownshows, it just has to stop); (3) raise the mental game: quit with all of the penalties and dropped passes.
Props to Reggie McKenzie for some savvy drafting and acquisitions, and to Del Rio for nurturing a winning attitude. This is finally a good, verging on great, team. It's not unreasonable to expect this team to hit on all cylinders next year.
Cheers!
Nate, good call, Tabor would be a huge get, in case you don't remember I live Fl so I have seen a lot of gator games on TV and Tabor is a stud.
Take thanks for all you do, no need to apologize life comes before the Raiders--barely---lol
Regards
Sandy
Take,
I love this site. Gives me a chance to connect with people I don't know but have a common bond with. Whether we agree or disagree is nothing to me, we all have passion for our Raiders. In a time where our country seems to be in turmoil, this is what we need. People who don't know each other, chat about something they have in common, and hopefully flourish in community.
One of the biggest things to watch this off-season are the owner's meetings to see how they vote on the Raiders moving to Vegas. Vegas is a smaller market than Oakland, but is the city that is traveled to the most. The Raiders fans' travel well with the team, and I think that is something that Mark is counting on. What is going to hurt that "traveling" with fans are the hotel/travel tax increases, and the fact that Vegas has gone away from trying to be family friendly (again). That doesn't even deal with the gambling or sex trafficking issues in Vegas that brings a more difficult problem for the NFL.
I am not sure that the League approves a move to Vegas. At the same time, if they force Davis to sit at the table with Oakland, it may force him to sell his franchise. How can they expect him to make money in a city and state who is financially in turmoil? How can they expect him to deal with these clowns who keep bringing in businesses that want to buy a stake in the Raiders ownership and take away tailgating? I wonder if Cal State Berkley would let the Raiders play at their stadium on Sundays? Or maybe they can do a "California" tour for home games at different college stadiums? It would probably be cheaper than the rent at O.Co. I hear there is still a huge hole in Irwindale where Al was digging his new stadium before being forced out. Then they can be called the Los Angeles Raiders of Irwindale. All of that to say it is not going to be an easy solution for Mark if the owners vote against Vegas. It is not going to be an easy pill to swallow for the fans if they do.
Nate, Vegas is transient, and rooms in some places are cheep. Harrah's instead of the Cesar's Palace. Buffet instead of a dinner show with Keith Partridge. It's easy to find good deals, some places it's a loss leader to get you onsite to gamble. And air fares are cheap, with direct flights from most major cities.
I want the Raiders to stay in Oakland, but I don't blame Davis for being pissed off about the disingenuous invitations to stay in Oakland, as well as an unsubstantiated spike in stadium rent.
I hate that this will be an unnecessary distraction during the offseason, and wonder if it will have any impact on signing free agents.
Regarding the games this weekend, I think Chiefs are overrated. They won a couple games they shouldn't have, and lack the balance they need to win even a divisional round. I can't believe some in Vegas have it as a pick. Houston beat up on the Raiders but they are 16 pt dogs against the Pats. That's how far the Raiders fell without Carr.
Cheers!
...Caesar's. It's like bef vs beef from the show Cheers. You don't get "beef" for $2.99... except maybe in Vegas!
Thanks for the kind words, guys, it puts wind in my sails. So much so that a new take is up: Musgrave Out?
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