Raiders Do The Right Thing
Mercifully, it's over. The circus tent has folded, and Antonio Brown is riding his clown car out of Oakland, destination unknown.
This was necessary, and overdue. Kudos to the Raiders for drawing the line at the 11th hour.
Yesterday, even while Jon Gruden was claiming that the plan was for A.B. to play Monday night, I stated that they needed to cut him. Thankfully, they came to their senses after A.B. thanked them for their kindness by going nuclear.
Enough.
This is the second year in a row that we've been fleeced by a head-case wide receiver from Pittsburgh (hello, Martavis Bryant, goodbye third-round pick).
In retrospect, what were the Raiders thinking with A.B.? What did they expect? Why are we always swinging for the wrong fences? When is the last time a superstar diva wide receiver hoisted a Lombardi trophy? How did a guy like A.B. fit into the cultural vision of the Gruden-Mayock Raiders? What was the risk-reward calculation--two extra wins for a year or two on a middling team vs. the inevitable meltdowns, tantrums and distractions? And that would be if things went as right as could be expected, which they didn't.
Jon Gruden needs to get it together on this front. He's a cool guy and a Raider at heart. I really like him, and would love to see him succeed. But he's been too flighty and emotional in a lot of his decision making. Thank goodness Mayock is there to add some ballast.
There is nowhere to go but up. Truth is, we never needed A.B. Oh, it might have been spectacular at times, and he might have been worth an extra win or two. But not at that cost. This team sucked last year. They're rebuilding. They need to buckle down and BUILD a stable organization with a winning culture.
Due to some fortuitous contract language, they've been given a gift from the football gods. They took the out on the eve of the opener, sent A.B. packing and saved $30 million. Whew, that was close.
Don't look a gift horse in the mouth, Raiders. Learn from it and move on, and quit looking for quick fixes. With all of the draft picks we've amassed, in league geared toward parity, there is NO reason or excuse why this team can't be good verging on great within a few years. Get after it, the right way, the winning way.
This was necessary, and overdue. Kudos to the Raiders for drawing the line at the 11th hour.
Yesterday, even while Jon Gruden was claiming that the plan was for A.B. to play Monday night, I stated that they needed to cut him. Thankfully, they came to their senses after A.B. thanked them for their kindness by going nuclear.
Enough.
This is the second year in a row that we've been fleeced by a head-case wide receiver from Pittsburgh (hello, Martavis Bryant, goodbye third-round pick).
In retrospect, what were the Raiders thinking with A.B.? What did they expect? Why are we always swinging for the wrong fences? When is the last time a superstar diva wide receiver hoisted a Lombardi trophy? How did a guy like A.B. fit into the cultural vision of the Gruden-Mayock Raiders? What was the risk-reward calculation--two extra wins for a year or two on a middling team vs. the inevitable meltdowns, tantrums and distractions? And that would be if things went as right as could be expected, which they didn't.
Jon Gruden needs to get it together on this front. He's a cool guy and a Raider at heart. I really like him, and would love to see him succeed. But he's been too flighty and emotional in a lot of his decision making. Thank goodness Mayock is there to add some ballast.
There is nowhere to go but up. Truth is, we never needed A.B. Oh, it might have been spectacular at times, and he might have been worth an extra win or two. But not at that cost. This team sucked last year. They're rebuilding. They need to buckle down and BUILD a stable organization with a winning culture.
Due to some fortuitous contract language, they've been given a gift from the football gods. They took the out on the eve of the opener, sent A.B. packing and saved $30 million. Whew, that was close.
Don't look a gift horse in the mouth, Raiders. Learn from it and move on, and quit looking for quick fixes. With all of the draft picks we've amassed, in league geared toward parity, there is NO reason or excuse why this team can't be good verging on great within a few years. Get after it, the right way, the winning way.
posted by Raider Take at 10:05 AM
40 Comments:
I agree completely that the Raiders had no business trading for Brown at this early stage of their rebuild. But they had to know what they were getting. Clearly, they did not.
Brown lost $500k in workout bonus money due to lack of off-season participation, mostly as a result of a freak accident with his feet (granted, during which the Raiders were incredibly patient).
But after accepting Brown's apology and bringing him back into the fold, the Raiders turn the screws on fines (over $200k) and void Brown's guarantees. WTF? Where's the good faith? How can any team expect the best WR in football to play with zero guarantee?
The more I learn about this situation, the more I blame the Raiders. They had to know who Antonio Brown was. Their actions suggest they don't.
Agreed. Brown should've never been a Raider in the first place. But his implosion is as much on the Raiders as it is Brown, IMO. Brown's reaction to Raiders imposing more fines was a foregone conclusion.
So we lost two of the very best players in football at the start of Gruden's only two seasons so far with the Raiders. And the sad reality is, Raiders had (have) plenty of cap space to have kept Mack.
Stick with youth. Re-sign Doss! Let's get past the delusion that the Raiders can light it up after only one season removed from the debacle they had last year. They've added talent and continuity. That's a solid step in the right direction.
Very frustrating! Kinda' like collecting QBs was frustrating. Raiders need to be smarter than this.
Before the Raiders signed him, I'm sure they had the law set down and told AB this is how it had to go. AB had other ideas all the while spewing out that he was going to be a team player.
Mayock imposed the fines because he saw what AB was and wanted to get out of the deal. Mayock knew what the reaction would be and would give further CAUSE to erase the guaranteed money. Raiders gave up more picks but felt it was worth the gamble, they came up craps.
We will see if this makes the team tight or they lose faith, between Hard Knocks and this clown show, the team must be somewhat distracted.
AB is psychotic, a quote from a former Steeler said AB could turn on a dime, not only on the field in a route, but personality wise. I think Gruden felt he could handle the guy, but I don't think Gruden has ever dealt with someone so out of it.
Raiders took a chance, if it had worked out, it would have been something to watch. AB is too far gone and if anyone does sign him, they better be ready for another shit show.
I truly hope AB gets black balled and never plays in the NFL again.
Fuck AB
If Mayock's intention was to void the guarantees, why would Gruden take the time and effort to reach out to AB in the 11th hour and ask him if he wanted to be a Raider? Raiders already had that option in the back pocket.
I thought the kumbaya moment was supposed to be a reset.
Jones, you're suggesting the Raiders baited Brown into his apology so they could turn the screws tighter, because that's what they did.
Yes, the Raiders were letting AB hang himself and he did. Of course Gruden wanted him to play, but Gruden also knew he had to follow protocal as far as not letting him have the guaranteed money if AB continued with his act. If AB had started vs Donkies, Raiders owed him guaranteed money. Like Gruden said, they gave AB every chance to turn it around and AB didn't. Trying to blame the Raiders for AB's actions is not very smart. AB wanted to be above the law, Raiders wouldn't put up with it and thus the circus.
Raiders had legal ramifications they needed to cover so they could not be sued or fall into trouble with the NFLPA. They let AB say his apology, but they also wanted to let AB know that he was still under team rules and had to pay fines like anyone else. AB doesn't want to be treated like everyone else and that is/was the problem.
Fuck AB
Raiders voided $20 million of the $30, so AB got 10. Instead of "Boomin'" his new nickname is "Quittin'". I really hope no other team takes a chance on him, and they give him the Kaepernick treatment. I just wish they would have done this Thursday night or Friday.
I wish we had some more of his talent on the field, we now have no WR to stretch the field; but I'm glad we don't have the cancer in the locker. We don't need anyone bringing cancer.
I said it in my last post, this whole situation is why I think the game has passed Gruden by. He is a celebrity, and right now it is about Gruden's ego than it is about the Raiders. I'm scared for this game on Monday Night, this season all rides on Gruden. If I were Mark Davis, I give him 4 or 5 years to turn this around, and if he doesn't, I cut ties with him. I don't trust Gruden at this point, he needs to prove his worth. So far, he hasn't.
Again, where do you get your info? AB got NOTHING.
Gruden has been back for 1 yr. He had to redo the roster almost completely, of course he will show what he is about this yr more than last. At least give him time to set a roster? LMAO.
How is AB, acting like a spoiled child, about Gruden's ego? AB is one of the best ever, Raiders took a chance and it didn't work, they didn't pay out a cent ( no matter what you write).
Accuracy counts
"Yes, the Raiders were letting AB hang himself...."
The idea of fining Brown in order to void his guarantees over missing a pre-season event seems petty. Like I said, Raiders acted like they didn't know who Brown was... then they sh*t on the entire roster by allowing the charade to carry into the locker room with team captains and other players backing Brown.
It's over the top.
Meanwhile, Raiders have already tried to get Doss from the Jags but the Jags blocked that move (presumably by signing Doss to their own roster).
Is it too early for the clown car?
NY,
The Raiders could not make it work. However, the last fine was a calculated on purpose move. After trying to attack Mayock the Raiders had to position themselves legally in case he screwed up again.
They backed each other into a corner where everyone lost. The Raiders could not take the chance of being on the hook for 30mm after he tried to attack Mayock. At the same time no way AB was going to play without guarantees.
The Raiders swung and missed. In hindsight should they never have traded for him and used the cap room elsewhere of course. They tried to make it work and they put up with a ton of his crap but AB was hell bent on self destructing and Gruden could not even stop it. At least the Raiders had a better off-season than Houston--right?
As Raiders fans we are all sad and depressed. Our WR room looks less than average. I will really puke if Brown goes to the PAts and behaves.
I am going to go watch college football where this nonsense does not happen. Go Canes.
try and have a good weekend
Sandy
Sandy,
Not sure I agree with your timeline, because a lot happened after the threat to Mayock. However, I agree with everything else you said, particularly the bottom line. Raiders swung and missed.
We're all depressed about this. How can you be a Raiders fan and not be...? Brown is a nut!
As consolation as it sounds, I was really hoping the Raiders would get Doss back. He's a young, high character player that has lots of upside. Turns out, the Jags got one over on the Raiders too... just adding insult to injury.
Yup, my mistake. Raiders were able to void all of his guaranteed monies. ABC's bottom line is still saying they voided $20 million.
I agree with Jones, this was all AB. The Raiders were taking their steps on Wednesday to make this happen, after his altercation with Mayock. I think Jimmy Durkins was right, AB may have taken a swing at Mayock.
At the same time, Jones, Gruden didn't have to reset the whole roster when he got here. The Raiders had the #1 offensive line, and the #1 DE in the league when he got here. He just needed to add some d-line help, a RT, a few DB's, and a WR. He got here and imploded the O-line, traded the #1 DE, and let the team that was in place fall apart. Gruden is just as big a clown as AB.
Brown is signing with the Pats for $15M with $9M signing bonus.
Did Brown just outsmarted the entire Raiders organization after they played games by imposing a meaningless fine to void his guarantee?
$9M signing bonus outweighs a week-to-week non-guaranteed contract all day long.
Now he'll actually play for a contending team. Seems like a good day for Brown.
Have to wonder if this was Brown's plan from the start. He probably hated being traded to the Raiders. The Patriots were probably always his destination.
Sucks!
Raiders got played. They lost 3rd and 5th round draft picks and carried the weight of Brown's B.S for an entire off-season.
Doesn't get much worse. It's time to smarten up!
Okay i just puked. NY you are right a great day for Brown. He won again for the moment. You have to lay some blame at the Raiders door. I am okay with them taking the risk, I mean we are one of the worst teams in the NFL, they had to do something and give Carr an elite weapon now who is our #1. However, once they brought Brown in they probably were not prepared for how truly disruptive he was going to be.
There was no way anyone with half a brain would have thought he would show up Monday once they voided the guarantees so that was either a calculated plan or the Raiders are incredibly inept.
I only hope he implodes in NE. Edelman, Gordon and Brown is an amazing trio.
I am returning to the fetal position. Two years in a row they lose their best player and a top 5 nfl talent right before the first week
Sandy
I can't say this any better, so I copied it from PTF.
"If they thought they could manage him, they weren’t paying attention to the things he was saying while he was trying to tweet his way out of Pittsburgh. Before anyone else tries to manage him, they need to realize that, while he will indeed show up and work hard and play hard, he can’t and he won’t be managed. He’s doing things his way, and if you want the benefit of his talent that’s the bargain you have to make."
The Raiders were clearly over their head with Brown... and they obviously didn't know who he was when they traded for him.
Sandy,
You hit it square on the head with this...
"There was no way anyone with half a brain would have thought he would show up Monday once they voided the guarantees so that was either a calculated plan or the Raiders are incredibly inept."
Bingo!
Which answer is open to debate...
Gruden asked Brown if he wanted to be a Raider. Here's his answer, with amazing clarity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-gwWVYmW7Y&feature=youtu.be
it feels to me that mayock and gruden really aren't on the same page. Gruden thinks of AB as really, a good guy, that is misunderstood by a lot of people. Mayock thinks he's out of line and disrespectful.
Thing is though, they're both right. But they're not on the same page. I think Mayock hated the deal from the beginning and Gruden loved it.
I'm not happy with the way that this was handled and it's worsened by him going to the GD pats. As everyone has said here just now... 2 years in a row (and the first 2 years with Gruden back) we've lost the best player in the league at their position... right before the start of the season!! it's just depressing
NY,
I saw that video and it made me so angry. AB is a piece of garbage even if he is the best WR. It kills me that the Raiders look like losers and the ineptitude narrative is stronger than ever. Furthermore it casts a terrible cloud on the season. Now is the chance for Gruden to show his coaching chops and motivate the team.
NY, I appreciate you and your posts, I cant reach my younger brother today to help console me so your posts are cathartic.
Nate Dog can we get one of your lists of who the Raiders can pick up off the scrap heap to fill the void in the short term. Renfrow and Nelson are not a number 2 and Williams is a much better 2 than 1. Looks like Waller is going to get a lot of targets and Jacob 20 plus carries a game. I feel really bad for Carr he deserves a quality weapon to show he can get back to 16 form.
Nate are you going to watch Longhorns - LSU tonight? Should be good.
Thanks
Sandy
So the Patriots think they can straighten this guy out? Good luck, hope it blows up in their face and Brown tries to shoot Brady and Billycheat.
The guy is ready for the 'home' and if he turns into mr. goodguy, the league should step in and do something.
Raiders did all they could to get him on board, when they realized it wasn't going to happen, they had to protect themselves.
AB has major issues and good luck to the Patriots, hope they get a full helping of the AB crazies.
Get Lost
Wow, "Mr. Crazy" just ran a slant pattern right out of Oakland.
Do the Steelers, (Stealers?) have any more WR's in the looney bin to trade to Raiders ?
I heard they just offered Raiders Lynn Swann for a # 3 pick. Raiders are mulling it over.
Raiders have that 6 win look to them. Hopefully the young players will come along during season.
the guy that's throwing to AB has 6 rings and 3 more appearances... same with his coach. this is exactly what AB wanted. if he excels there he'll prove all of the haters wrong and cement his greatness. I honestly felt like we were lucky to have him on our team... I agree with Gruden that he's a good guy at heart. He's gonna do well and the gd pats are gonna make us look bad once again.
i'm about to put on Stormy Monday Blues
Don't forget, he is out of his mind and that will always catch up to anyone. I really don't believe his crazy act in Pittsburgh or Oakland was an act. This guy is a problem, he just put on the biggest whacked out series of events over a 6 month period that we have never seen in sports and some want to act as if he will just become a regular guy? Nah, this guy loves his attention and he loves to provoke and he loves himself (bad combo). He might be ok for a few weeks, but the crazy will kick in and back on TMZ he will be.
AB blows
Wonder if the league will look into the Patriots dealing with the nutbar so quickly after he was released? Probably not, seeing as they are the league's darling team.
NFL could lose even more fans over this, people are getting sick of over the top diva's and the favoritism of certain franchises (Patriots for one). Allowing a player to do what AB has done here and then allow the darling franchise to pick him up like they had him already signed. It's looking too much like a set up thing and people want integrity, not this. May sound like sour grapes, but if you look at many of the comments from fans of around the league, most are disgusted by all this. This could be another dent in the NFL's armour and I hope Karma finally shits on the Patriots.
Fuck AB and N.E.
Excuse my rant, but...
The Raiders made a big mistake. Not just because they mishandled Brown, but because they lost sight of their own vision. They were a total grease fire last year. This was supposed to be a rebuilding year, which it hopefully still is.... But what happened to bringing in only high-character players? Brown was never going to offer veteran leadership to his teammates. He's the most selfish player in the league; just ask the Steelers (did you catch the "we were never friends" diss he tweeted to Big Ben after that divorce?).
Honestly, Derek Carr is probably lucky Brown's gone. If Carr didn't target Brown enough to suit Brown, he'd hear about it, and winning as a team would probably take a back seat to Brown's personal stats. Hey, maybe all his BS is what it takes to be the best, but that's not who or what the Raiders wanted to be in terms of character. Right? At least that's what we were told.
So good riddance!
Unfortunately, making a mistake of this magnitude, the Raiders are now caught with their collective shorts down at WR. Williams was a #3 WR at SD last year, and steps up in class to be the Raiders #2. JJ Nelson was out last year and he and Grant are journeymen at best. Renfrow is a rookie slot receiver, and Harris is a special teamer.
Brown's backup was Nelson, and he's injured this week.
So the Raiders go into the 2019 season limping on offense, just like they did last year on defense; without their best player. Sure it's part of the business, but these were largely self-inflicted wounds.
There aren't many ways to spin it; that's mismanagement.
Add to the fact the Raiders waived their best option at WR (for the future) in Keelan Doss. Doss is not AB but he is a proven workhorse at WR. He had 115 and 118 receptions in his last two years in college, respectively. The Raiders were smart enough to sign him undrafted, then dumb enough to waive him after watching him be an effective workhorse for them during pre-season. Doss showed the tools he needs to be an NFL WR. So instead of Doss, the Raiders opted to carry two very marginal swing tackles, a gaggle of guards and, at one point, they actually carried 4 QBs on their initial roster.
Raiders twice tried to reacquire Doss. Once for the practice squad and then immediately following Brown's release. But Doss declined both times, and the Jags did what they needed to block the recent move by paying Doss more money. Understandably, Doss didn't want to get lost in the Raiders depth chart, and he may have felt a little dissed by the Raiders after Gruden constantly praised him during pre-season then swiftly waived him.
So lesson learned? I doubt it. You can't teach an old dog new tricks. Gruden would rather collect ineffective QBs.
Meanwhile, the Raiders need to find another effective WR.
So who should they sign Kelvin Benjamin, Dez Bryant, Travis Benjamin?
Sandy
Get the best WR available on a 1-2 year deal... sure!
Raiders didn't spend a penny on Brown. Only draft picks and loads of aggravation.
The Raiders just paid Keelan Doss $795k fully guaranteed to come back to Oakland and take Brown's spot on Oakland's active roster.
Appears I'm not the only one who thinks Doss has talent. Raiders made three attempts before landing the kid with "an offer he couldn't refuse."
This move takes some of the AB sting away. Doss is fun to watch.
I have little time for the NFL, but a little time will doo. I do like Gruden's smirky moves. Bye Antonio. Here's this... https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/09/08/raiders-bring-back-wide-receiver-keelan-doss-from-alameda-high/
Sandy,
Sorry, I was indisposed of this weekend. I had an extremely busy weekend. I fell asleep during the UT-LSU after a long Saturday of not being able to watch football.
There is not much in the free agency market for WR's. There was a good list before the draft, but I still was big on drafting DK Metcalf. But Gruden fell for the Banana in the Tailpipe, and stalled out.
Out of your list, I'd sign Kelvin Benjamin. I'd give him a chance. The knock on him is he doesn't put the work in, and seems to not enjoy football. He has a ton of talent, but the work ethic is missing. I think Gruden stays away, but nothing is surprising anymore.
Dez Bryant tore his MCL last season in his first game with the Saints, not sure he's completely healed from that. If he is healed, I'd spin his wheels.
I am glad Doss is back with the Raiders, he should have never been cut, but we have the same issue now that we did last season, no clear #1 WR, no clear #1 DE, and some lingering questions that remain from last season that have not been addressed: Will the DLine get pressure on the QB? Will the OLine hold up? How long can the DBs cover without QB Pressure? In one weekend, we went from one of the most feared offenses to mediocre. Most media members were giving the AFC to the Chiefs, and now the Pats are the strongest team again. With just one player.
My thoughts are that this was very intentional and calculated by AB and the Patriots. I think he was contacted by the Pats during the whole "helmet" issue. He began, at that point, looking for suggestions on how to void his contract with the Raiders. I think the league should investigate, but it will end up like deflate-gate and spygate, where the evidence is burned, and the blame is shifted to the equipment manager.
In the end, he is gone. The Raiders are not better without him, and it seems he was never on board. Gruden is over his head as a coach, and doesn't seem to have a winning plan for the Raiders. In 2 years, he has dismantled one of the most talented, young rosters in the NFL; and has made it a circus. Why? His ego. His "celebrity". We will end in the basement and have a 6-10 season. 2 wins more than we had last season, if we are lucky.
Nate, as bad as it looks, it's tough to assume tampering by the Pats but it's clear Brown did not want to play for the Raiders from the start. So he played the Raiders, just not "for" them.
Tonight should tell us a lot.
Will Gruden open up the offense and throw downfield?
Will Carr be ready to play at a high level after taking only 6 snaps during the preseason?
Can Jacobs be a feature back (something he was never asked to do in college).
Can Waller replace Cook?
Will Kolton Miller show up this year? He gets his biggest test in Week 1.
Did the Raiders keep adequate blocking TE(s)? They will rely on a rookie.
Will Ferrell be able to carry the weight placed on his shoulders by Raiders neglect to address the edge?
Will Burfict be another Derrick Johnson, or is he the real deal at MLB?
Will Guenther dial up more blitzes (now that he has better man coverage)?
Time for speculation is over.
It's go time!
GO RAIDERS!!
Enjoy the game!
And the clown show continues in here.
Tough to assume the Pats tampered? Is this why just about everyone in America believes it to be true? It's tough to believe you are a Raider fan, the Raiders get screwed again and all you can write is how dumb Gruden is. Meanwhile, the rest of America see's it as AB being the fuck up here, not the Raiders.
Then you write that Gruden tore down a 'very talented roster' in favor of his own players. Come on, that roster was going nowhere, to even write that it was a very talented roster is laughable.
I guess there is no hope for you, you will be a dummy all your life, what a shame.
Me
Jones,
I cast all the blame on AB for the situation we are facing there. But at this point, I seriously do not know who the bigger clown is, AB or Gruden.
I didn't say a very talented roster, I said he tore down one of the most talented, young rosters in the league when he came in as a coach. Who was everyone talking about on the Raiders when Gruden came in? What Gruden will be able to do in the years to come with Derek Carr, Khalil Mack, Amari Cooper, and the #1 offensive line. This was the main story line! All he had to do was add a few key pieces, and he would have had a contender his first year. This was the story line!
But what happened in His FIRST YEAR? Gruden rid of Mack, Cooper, and tore down the #1 Offensive Line. He also got rid of Marquette King and Michael Crabtree, with no complaints here even though I liked both. Later, they waived Donald Penn. Who's the clown show? Who has he replaced Mack and Cooper with? Anyone???? AB was waaaay better than Cooper, and that didn't go as planned, not because of Gruden. But Gruden ignored warning signs here. I am willing to say that Tyrell Williams is better than Cooper, but neither one is really a #1 WR; which the Raiders still lack. Clelin Ferrell has "replaced" Mack, but it remains to be seen what kind of replacement he will be. Other than that, Gruden has not done anything to beef up the dismal D-Line, instead, he keeps the same expecting different results.
He "beefed" up the LB spot with aging linemen. Really the only thing he has done this offseason was get better at DB, and bring in a few WRs, and draft Josh Jacobs because he chased off Lynch. So far, I think the evidence is clear that Gruden is the real clown show. We will see if it continues his 2nd year.
According to conspiracy theorist Jones, the AB debacle was a setup by the Patriots. They didn't just come in and take advantage of the Raiders who mishandled the AB situation, but maliciously steered the WR to their roster by way of illegal tampering. Because it involves the Patriots, they must have done so. It couldn't have been the Raiders own ineptitude (Gruden is too perfect!), and Brown's agent never thought to call the Patriots after Brown's release. He was too busy dialing the Lions and Jets and....
Jones, just because you read it on your cornflakes box doesn't make it so.
I'm not saying Brown didn't intend this (looks like he did), or that the Pats didn't do anything nefarious (now or in the past) but you speak down to the rest of us in absolutes that you can't possibly know or understand.
Maybe you should call Alameda and explain to them what happened.
Cheers!
Look who is talking down, you fuckin piece of shit. The whole world knows that it was a set up (except you), fuck you.
It would seem that I do understand, it is YOU who doesn't understand and this is why you write some of the stupid shit ever written on the 'net' about the Raiders. Everything you described about me, is actually your self, you are just too full of your self to see it. You have personality problems, much like AB. Once again,
Fuck You
Once again 'nate', try and get your 'facts' straight.
Mack didn't want to be a Raider, he never showed up once Gruden was hired.
Cooper was a complete flop in Oakland and it wasn't the #1 O-line in the league.
Once again, out of all the players that were in Oakland and now aren't, other than Mack, who is lighting it up? And once again, what were the D rankings year by year when Mack was here?
You are like AB, there is no straightening you out, you are too dumb
See Ya
It's a bit ridiculous to throw conjecture out there and call it fact. Hard to take that seriously.
You do it all the time you piece of garbage. You wouldn't know a fact even if it kicked you in your pussy.
Mack wouldn't even return Gruden's calls, Mack wanted out and so did Cooper. And you blame Gruden because it fits YOUR narrative, once again, fuck you.
Go suck patriot dick, you sure ain't no Raider.
Ny joke
I think we can all agree the Raiders got played by that classless jerk Brown.
At this point the Raiders are rebuilding better to have less disruptions etc. Good riddance and let's move on.
WR, is looking weak but sentimentally its nice to have Doss back. D is improved perhaps that and a big night from Trent Brown, Waller and/or Jacobs and we can all go to bed happy.
Sandy
Gamenight thread is up!
Mack didn't show up because he was in a negotiation with the Raiders, which is his right to do, to prevent injury. He was only required to come in when they were close to signing. The Raiders had an agreement with Mack, who was at Gruden's presser, Gruden didn't even introduce himself to Mack, who was standing next to Carr; and later nixed the agreement. Then and only then, did Mack leave the building and not come back. Mack left the Raiders due to Gruden nixing his deal. Both Mack and his agent have said this.
Cooper actually looked like a #1 WR yesterday, but he played the Giants. We will see how he does against press coverage. Donald Penn is still playing lights out.
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