Patriots Gameday Thread
Well, the Raiders are on the path of proving it, but face their toughest test yet in 2020 with a road game after a short week against a re-energized Patriots team.
While the Raiders' offense has been strong out of the gates, the defense has been largely dreadful, but nevertheless stout in a few key moments. If they get carved up like a Thanksgiving turkey today by Belichik and Co., then a lot of air is going to come out of our tire. But if they can pull this off, then hope for a new era of competitiveness will begin gathering serious steam.
So GO RAIDERS!
posted by Raider Take at 9:27 AM
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Pretty disgusted right now. That game was reminiscent of the Jets game last year when the Raiders also were unprepared and flat. Game preparation was an embarrassment.
Geez! It seemed like such a winnable game in the first quarter, even up to the half. The Pats didn't really take advantage until the 2nd half. But when they did, the Raiders got steamrolled. Pats were clearly the better coached team, making adjustments. It's like one team runs a dynamic offense, and the other sticks with meat and potatoes. One team has a discipline defense which gets pressure and stays in lanes, and the other doesn't.
On offense, the Raiders were determined to run behind a makeshift line. How many times did the Raiders run themselves into 3rd and 5-6? It was like watching them pound their head against a wall.
Speaking of Waller, he was a non-factor but he was open a lot. Carr just stopped throwing him the ball. Raiders could have involved all their TEs a lot more.
When they opened up the offense, they were able to move the ball or draw a key penalty.
Raiders defense is a conundrum. Somebody should get fired for today's performance, namely, Guenther. How many years will he be allowed to coast with a bad defense?
Love Crosby but his off-sides on a punt was inexcusable. That seemed to be when the Pats started to take control of the game.
Even with the game still within 2 score range, the Raiders found ways to screw up, returning a kick to the 10, getting a penalty, then a safety. Wow! About the ugliest sequence I can remember.
Clown Car isn't good enough for this one. Gruden has himself to answer for on offense, but he should fire Guenther and let Marineli take over the D. How much worse can it get?
That was a winnable game!
Correction: Crosby made up for his off-sides with a sack which gave the ball back to the Raiders. However, I am just learning that Jacobs actually recovered his fumble and the ball should never have been awarded to the Pats.
That sucks! Officials missed that one, but could we have challenged?
There was a big run in the second half by Newton, where Crosby had pressure and was about to sack him, the O-line man grabbed him from behind and pancaked him allowing Newton to run for big yards; no penalty for holding. Several bad calls for the Raiders made this go New England's way. I don't know what it is about the Patriots, but the refs will never call holding on their o-line.
Raiders offense didn't look too bad, until they started fumbling and turning the ball over. DC fumbling in the end zone to give the Pats the score was HUGE. He has yet to throw an INT though; but needs to protect the ball when he's hit. Raiders lost Byron Edwards and was without Ruggs, Kwiatkoski, T Brown, and Icognito (IR).
The D line's biggest issue was over pursuing the run like it was a pass. That is going to hurt if we are not more disciplined there. On ward to the next game against the Bills. Let's hope the Ravens win Monday.
Yeah, Newton's long run made the highlight reels, but nobody says a word about the obvious hold that appeared to spring him. Those plays are going to happen, especially, to the Raiders.
Tough game to watch. Raiders looked flat to me. They came out and ran their meat and potatoes offense and, for some reason, Carr appeared to intentionally avoid Waller, who Gruden said was open. In the end, they struggled to convert on offense and the defense made the Pats' mediocre backfield look all-pro.
IMO, Abrams has reached a point of frustration on D where he is trying to make up for others, and he's over pursuing. He and Littleton were caught flatfooted several times as screens and runs went right by them.
The Raiders offensive playing-calling lacks screens and they are still below average at play-action. These are two staples of West Coast Offense, so you'd think the Raiders would want to excel in these areas.
Raiders came in and played pretty vanilla all around. They looked like they were going through the motions. They moved the ball, but turnovers and penalties really hurt the Raiders. The excuses of who they have lost was what Gruden talked about in post game.
All the Carr haters are really speaking up again on Twitter. Raiders have to have other people to go to other than Waller, who was doubled by LB and Safety for the most part. Edwards was explosive until he was hurt; but injuries are part of the game that the Raiders are going to have to overcome. I think the Raiders mentally beat themselves this game. Looked like Carr was trying to overthink plays, and felt like he wanted to do something special, only to play into the hands of Bellichek.
There was the safety/fumble/TD/that was really a safety, where Carr held on to the ball too long. Carr seems to be afraid to run the ball as it seems he knows the pressure is there, but wants to make a play rather than run. He could have thrown the ball away there too, but was content on being sacked in the end zone, and when he released the ball; they ruled it a fumble/TD.
We have got the 3-0 Bills next, and then the Chiefs (at Arrowhead). We really need to beat the Bills and Bucs, the way we played yesterday, I'm not sure they can beat KC; but it has happened before. Going to be a rough couple weeks, and this game showed us that our defense is not quite there; especially on the D-line. Again, they had some good pressure, but only Crosby seemed to get through. Hankins, Collins, Hurst, and Ferrell don't seem to have the consistent motor to keep the pressure. Nassib is playing surprisingly well.
Also, we have 2 interceptions thanks to Abram and Morrow; but other than those 2 (which were thrown right to them) the secondary is not even attempting picks (again) and going more for the knock down pass. They are going to have to play tight-man coverage against the Chiefs and Bucs to take away the quick passes; and communicate the WR screens/picks. I don't like the 5-7 yard cushion they give. Morrow leads in tackles, then Abram and Joyner which tells you that there are too many secondary tackles, and not enough by the front line. Plays are going beyond the line of scrimmage, and not enough tackles being made within a yard or two from the line. A good D-line has a good share of tackles, and we are not seeing it with the Raiders. Guenther is responsible for that, and the overall scheme. I thought he would bring the toughness to the defense that he did with Cincy; but nope; it has been all vanilla from him. Yesterday's game baffled me; and I hope the Raiders can shake off the demons and move forward. Just Win, BABY!
When are you guys gonna wake up ? Waiting for Raiders to get calls from NFL's crooked refs. Forget it!
Roger Goodell, phony, NFL commish counts his 44 million per year, and claims to be leader of social justice. But he is not "woke" but rather just a "joke".
Meanwhile Raiders for years have led the way. First Hispanic HC,(Flores), first African American HC,(Shell), first female executive,(Trask).
And Raiders reward from phony Goodell? Every bad, crooked, screw job, flag under the sun!
And the none calls like the hold against Crosby. While Goodell laughs, rakes in the money, and plays every one for a sucker.
Raiders have talked the talk, and walked the walk. Goodell is just a two bit con man.
Headline:
Raiders HC Jon Gruden disagrees Patriots took Darren Waller out of game 'We had Waller open'
I hear ya 00, but after the Saints game (which was called pretty fairly, btw), I thought that maybe we turned a corner. The bigger story with the Saints game was Shawn Hochuli was the referee assigned to the game. This was the Raiders first win with Shawn Hochuli as the referee. We are now 1-7 when Shawn Hochuli is referee.
Waller was open on several plays, but was not open all game. But we do need more double TE sets with Waller and Moreau, especially with Ruggs, Williams, and Edwards out. I somewhat like Renfrow, he's a great route-runner, but he is not fast, and seems to take his time running the route perfectly than focusing on getting open so DC can get rid of the ball. That forces DC to hold on to the ball more.
One thing I've noticed about DC is he seems to fall apart as the team falls apart. That is my only beef with him, and the difference between 2016 and now. He used to rise up from the adversity of the team in 2016, and now he falls apart with the team. Need that fire back. But Ingold said it best, "The rest of the team needs to catch up to the mentality that Carr has for the game."
JUST WIN, BABY!
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Nate75...Raiders can beat Saints, but will never be allowed to beat certain teams like Pats.
It's all part of the NFL "formula". Certain teams are promoted by league, while others are left out.
Crooked NFL always promotes the same teams. Cowboys, Steelers, 49ers, Giants, Pats, and Packers. They also promote certain players like, Brady, Mahomes, and Rus. Wilson. If you have one of these players, your team will be promoted by the league.
Take the Donks for example. They got into the special circle when they had Elway. Then were dropped off a cliff until they got golden boy, Peyton Manning.
Right now the Bucs are relevant because they have Brady. When he is gone, they will be dropped.
Just watch the NFL network, or any of the NFL shows on ESPN. They promote the same teams, and players over, and over again.
That's why the Saints are allowed to be screwed in a playoff game, but teams in the inner circle are not. Unless they play each other, like when C'Boys got screwed vs Packers.
So we can be fans, and support our teams, but it really is a waste of time. the Raiders are going nowhere fast in todays rigged NFL.
'00, I get it, and somewhat agree. I think this to be the case with NFL Network and Goodell because these teams and players pay $$ back into the League. I also think gambling and casinos play a big factor into this as well. Now that sports betting is legal, I think we will see more of this. I already hate the fact that ESPN and other "sports" programming now have bookies giving insight into the games; giving the over/under and all that crap.
Gambling is a system to keep people broke while offering a glimmer of hope. A gambling addict will never cash out to take the money, they will always pour their winnings back in; which is why the house always wins.
I've always felt (especially since the "Tuck Rule") that the NFL referees gamble on games, and change the outcome of games based on kickback from the casinos. I think we will see more teams "out of the NFL bubble" make the playoffs and get screwed by the refs in playoff games. We have already seen it happen to the Saints 2 years in a row....
00 - We've all seen systemic bad calls against the Raiders over the years but the simple truth is, the NFL is better (and more successful) when the Raiders are a good team. That's a fact. The Raiders still have among the most popular brands in football so the NFL succeeds when the Raiders brand succeeds. The Raiders also have Jon Gruden and Mike Mayock, both of whom were recently large media figures.
To this point, intentionally keeping the Raiders in the basement of the NFL is not good for business.
IMO, the simpler explanation is, the refs suck! And the NFL is to blame for not hiring full-time officials and training them better.
Sorry, but that's my 2 cents.
Cheers!
Living in NY, I get my share of Bills football... even though it's upstate. But don't kid yourself, the Bills are for real. They are better than the Patriots right now, so the Raiders will need to seriously man-up to play this team.
Bills are favored by 3 in Las Vegas.
Raiders should take that personally.
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