Falcons Gameday Thread
A little late here, it's now halftime, and haven't I seen this before? A Raiders team that starts the season strong, plays some inspired football as a playoff hopeful, then inexplicably plays down to the competition (including dumb penalties) and puts those playoff hopes in jeopardy? They have 30 minutes to turn this around, or it's going to be a very disappointing outcome that clouds our playoff prospects. Come on, GO RAIDERS!
posted by Raider Take at 12:02 PM
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Wake up, Raiders!
This looks like last year's Jets' game.
What a huge let down.
Raiders getting torched.
Hope this doesn't lead to the same season meltdown as last year.
This looks almost as bad as the Washington game a few years ago. This is the worst Raiders Offense has played under Gruden. Did he let Olson call plays? Deplorable.
It has been 18 years since the Raiders fielded a great team. How many more years will we wait? Two? Five? Ten?
Carr was masterful under pressure last week, but was a turnover machine this week. Raiders got beat at the line, on both sides of the ball.
Raiders looked like contenders losing to Chiefs, but this was an epic failure.
Clown Car this week! I'm with you Take, how much longer do we have to wait to see a great Raiders team? It has been 36-37 years since we hoisted the trophy. I am losing hope and steam here with football. I wasn't sold as Gruden being the guy to bring the Raiders back to their glory. To be honest, I had more faith in McKenzie and Del Rio; though I do have a lot of confidence in Mayock. When McKenzie was let go, it had to be done with a replacement that was better. With Mayock, I think that happened.
Atlanta is not a great team, Raheem Morris was Gruden's D-Coordinator in Tampa, does he know that Gruden hasn't changed his plays, just how he calls them? 27 yards for Josh Jacobs, who was playing injured. Are we going to end 2020, the same way we ended 2019? What are the excuses now?
Derek Carr had a horrific game today, and takes a lot of the blame. This is why the media doesn't take him seriously. It wasn't that he was unprepared, because we all know he puts in the work. The O-line looked 3 steps behind every play today. Defense has been outplayed every game this season, and the only 2 games against the Chiefs have we even seen glimpses of what they can do, and what they are capable of. But it seems this game, both sides had no spark. Very disappointed, again.
Gruden got schooled by his former assistant, who was without his two best players.
But that was an inter-conference loss and we shouldn't be ready to throw in the towel on the entire season even though that game looked scarily similar to the Jets game at this same time last year which led to the Raiders season-ending meltdown.
Q: Did the Raiders just go from contender to pretender?
With most wildcard contending teams currently at 7 or 8 wins, the Raiders margin for error is gone.
IMO, the Raiders entire season now rests on this week's game against the 0-11 Jets. It's a must win conference game against basically the same floundering Jets team that crushed the Raiders last year in the Meadowlands. The Raiders should be lucky to play the Jets in two consecutive seasons, yet...
Gruden and Carr still need to figure out the Jets. Everyone else has....
The Raiders have the easiest schedule from here on out (including yesterday's game). The thing I hate the most is Gruden plays down to his competition. If the Raiders were serious contenders, the score would have been lopsided in our favor. Seeing as we lost 43-6, tells me that we are not serious contenders; and are not even close.
This is one of those games that are blue prints for other teams to look at to beat us. The one thing I have noticed with the Gruden and the Raiders, is they have trouble with teams that run a 3-4 base defenses. This season it was the Bills, Bucs, and Falcons so far. We have the Jets next, who guess what? Runs a 3-4 base defense. The Colts have shifts between the two.
If the Raiders are going to get serious about the playoffs, they need to win out, including the Colts (who are the toughest team we face on the schedule).
Jets, Colts, Chargers, Dolphins, and Doncos. That is who we have left. We must finish 11-5 or 10-6. But if the Raiders want the League to take them seriously, they must win out and finish 11-5. I don't think 9-7 gets them in the playoffs this year. 10-6 may get them in, but 11-5 gets them in. No more playing around. Let's see what we are made of.
Interesting point about the 3-4 defense. I think too that Gruden expects to win every game with "power football," except that the match-ups don't always favor the Raiders. This is where they are slow to adjust, if at all.
There's not much finesse in the Raiders approach.
Gruden is doing a bad job on ALL fronts, He committed to keeping Carr and it cost us the chance tp get Justin Herbert. He Picts a OC retread that cant win a game with his playbook so there is no opposition to Grudens ancient play book calls. he selects a no name DC Guenther who sucks cannot adjust no defense improvement 3 years. Keeps signing head cases for huge salaries who end up contributing nothing AB, Trent Brown, Cory Littleton, I will throw in Marinelli's rejects as well as his own nonperformance since coming here with his band of bunglers and over the hill players. Example we have three great tight ends he signs Jason whiten a cowboy geriatric case cutting into the other TEs playing time. Keep Mike Mayoc get rid of CARR GRUDEN GUENTHER OLSEN MARINELLI and all his player refugees from cowboys. Hire a young coach and staff with creative abilities. and once again be able to watch a game without fear of a coward at QB ruining your day
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remember great Raiders who have passed since 2000:
K. Stabler, W. Brown, D. Dalby, J. Tatum, N. Ball, T. Howard, G. Blanda, A. LoCassale, C. Branch, T. Keating, M. Hubbard, B. Cannon, W. Wells, G. Upshaw, T. Christensen, M. Marvin, Q. Groves, George Anderson (trainer), G. Atkinson III, D. Russell, B. Davidson, C. Hardman, C. McGlocktin, M. Henderson, D. Jensen, R. Ricardo (owner Ricky's, fan), Run Run (kicking tee handler), Raider Pirate (fan), Victoria "Bedazzeled) Ruiz (fan), S. Thomas, Naya Rivera (sister of player, fan), M. Cooper, E. Turner and Bill King (Raiders radio announcer).
Hope McKinley and Beasley can help but the Raiders can look at others for pass rush help:
1. Tyre Coleman, 51 sacks- 5 def. player of the year awards (rookie of the year (freshman '11) def. player of the year Liberty League thee times, def. player of the year in H.S.
many awards (about 8).
2. Cameron Wake
3. Anthony Zettle
Raiders need to talk about getting help for DC. They need to do more to get tackles into the pass rushing.
Power Rankings from PFT:
"19. Raiders (No. 14; 6-5): They’re just not ready to be a successful franchise."
Everybody seems to have a different opinion on what it will take to be successful, but I think we can all agree it's been painfully slow... literally, decades.
And just when it looked like Carr and the Raiders had reached the next level, they lay an egg. But it won't be this one game that defines the Raiders' 2020 season... it will be their next game that defines this team. Jets crushed the Raiders last year, in what was the most lopsided game I've ever had the displeasure to attend live. Still unable to erase that one from the memory banks.
Another loss to the Jets would be devastating.
Startling how Raiders fans have such short memories. Reading comments sections of other blogs and fans suggesting Jets have nothing to play for, they hate their coach, and Raiders will crush them..., so let's look ahead to the next game (Indy).
Huh?
That's the same BS we heard last year right before the Jets crushed the Raiders. Hopefully, Gruden and Carr are a little more grounded than some forgetful fans.
Maybe the Raiders should focus on solving this problem: Carr has fumbled the ball 8x on 17 sacks. That's 50% of the time he's sacked, he fumbles. Fumbles aside, Carr has been better under pressure this year but when the Raiders can't run the ball, Carr is rarely able to carry the team. It's not impossible, but it seems unlikely.
Obviously, last week's total collapse is the blueprint for every team playing the Raiders. It's on the Raiders to correct those mistakes and change the game plan. All 32 NFL facilities were closed Monday and Tuesday, so there's a lot of pressure on Gruden to figure this out and beat the Jets. Perhaps the Jets are playing for draft pick but don't count on it. They will play like they have nothing to lose. Everything goes!
NFL Teams that run a 3-4 defense are:
Cardinals, Rams, Bears, Packers, Bucs, Giants, Dolphins, Pats, Jets, Ravens, Steelers, Texans, Titans, and Doncos.
So I did some digging on Derek Carr facing 3-4 base defenses, and here is what I came up with. His overall career record against 3-4 defenses is 22 wins and 23 losses. His best year against 3-4 defense came in 2016 under Del Rio, where he was perfect 6-0. My overall impression is that his struggles against the 3-4 is a reflection of his coach's struggle against that system. So, this is a style that Gruden and Olsen struggle with, and is reflected on Carr. Here is how it breaks down:
Under Gruden (2017- current) he is 10-13 losses against 3-4 defense. He is 1-2 this season so far, losing to the Bucs and Patriots, and beating the Doncos (which out of the 10 wins under Gruden, 4 of them are against the Doncos). They still have the Jets and Dolphins to face this season. Gruden really struggles against 3-4 defenses. Gruden's overall record as the Raiders Head Coach against 3-4 defensive teams is 17-30.
Under Jack Del Rio (2015-16), Carr was 10-4 against 3-4 defenses. The 4 losses came in 2015 against the Packers, Steelers, Doncos, and Bear. In 2015, he beat the Doncos, Titans, Jets, and Ravens. In 2016, he beat all 6 teams he faced that plays 3-4: Texans, Bucs, Ravens, Titans, Doncos (2x).
In 2014, under Dennis Allen his first year, he was 2-6 against 3-4 defenses. He beat the Texans and Jets, lost to the Doncos (2x), Rams (52-0), Cardinals, Dolphins, and Pats.
In response to Derek Carr saying they had a flat practice last week, Eric Allen said on the post game show "if we EVER came out and had a flat practice either Gannon, Jerry Rice, or Tim Brown would STILL have us out there practicing until we showed fire throughout the whole practice. So where are the leaders on this team?"
Interesting. That's all good stuff, Nate.
IMO, the Jets have tremendous advantage in this week's game, far beyond 3-4 defense.
-Jets are at home
-Weather favors the Jets (Derek Carr has a long history of losing games played in weather under 50 degrees).
-Sam Darnold has only faced only tough defenses this year, 49ers, Colts, Broncos, Chiefs, Bills, etc. Facing the Raiders lack of pass rush should be easy by comparison.
-Jets record dictates they have nothing to lose, except the race to #1 draft pick (which won't be enough to prevent them from being a spoiler).
-Jets can swag into game knowing they crushed the Raiders last year.
-To the last point, the Jets blueprint to beat the Raiders is still valid until Gruden coaches the Raiders out of it.
Aside from the Jets presumably wanting to play spoiler, this game is ONLY meaningful to the Raiders. A loss takes the Raiders out of realistic playoff contention... which should motivate the Jets even more!
At the risk of repeating myself, I believe this game will define the Raiders 2020 season. Jets are a team the Raiders should beat but there are enough obstacles to place some doubt in forecasting the outcome. It will probably take every ounce of effort the Raiders have to prevent the biggest letdown since the arrival of Gruden II.
Raiders place Collins on IR. If there could be an IR for lack of production, Collins would be on that too.
From PFT:
"Collins signed a one-year, $6 million deal with Las Vegas in the offseason, but hasn’t produced much in 2020. He’s recorded just 12 total tackles and one quarterback hit, with no tackles for loss or sacks."
That's a half million dollars per tackle!
The roughing the passer penalty Collins drew against the Falcons was free!
By placing Collins on IR, the Raiders just improved their defense.
Raiders seem to be more NFL than Raiders. Its' like Raidernation bought the NFL idea of how teams should be run but why now are we complaining when they continue to not win like they said Raiders would.
Could it be they don't want to admit they are a little overwhelmed? Maybe they should hire some veteran coaches to help them. But they are listening to old Raider hating NFL people and the NFL. It you really want to see a winning team why aren't you asking NFL fans why they won't let the Raiders work their own problems out?- Large corporation are putting money into the Raiders and they don't want a team that does its' own way and puts WINNING and fans over making money but sell stuff and make money with them.
Hey, try to protect yourselves from Coronavirus. Try not to be angry with the Raiders so much that you don't have fun hanging out with family and friends during game week.
Charities could use your help and if you need a little help don't be about going to the food drives.
We have been here before and we STILL love our Raiders.
we ain't blaming the Raiders for everything, we know the NFL ha
but we ain't hat'n and blaming the NFL for everything we want to win but we know the team needs more help before it can start winning.
we have a loyal attitude, but we want some changes and we don't want to hear excuses about salary caps.
They refuse to:
Use All their tight ends.
spend money on star free agents.
bring in other coaches to help the ones that aren't doing as well as they could.
Last year's weather at the Jets game was brutal - Cold, windy and rain.
Raiders may have caught a break today with the weather. Forecast in NJ is calling for full sun and 40 degrees (although, 15 MPH winds).
You would think that forecast would be ideal football weather but Carr doesn't do well in games under 50 degrees... until this year in a low-scoring game against the Browns.
IMO, Raiders need to get Ruggs involved in the offense. Ruggs has 17 catches this year, compared to 53 catches for CD Lamb who the Raiders could have drafted.
17 Catches is not worthy of the #1 WR drafted. That's probably not even top 10-15 stats for rookie WRs this year.
Regardless, the Raiders are not the same offense with Trent Brown AND Josh Jacobs both out. Gruden says he wants to get back to power running today but the Jets beat the Raiders last year by taking away their running game. I hope Gruden has a backup plan!
The other elephant in the room is the Raiders defense. How is Paul Guenther still employed?!
Raiders have 12 sacks on the season (barely one per game), and six of those belong to Crosby.
Nassib has 1.5 sacks.
Ferrell = 0
Key = 0
Ferrell has his moments in the backfield but he often gets neutralized and is ineffective. These guys all have to step up!
Beasley is active today but he might not play, and who knows what shape he's in.
My take is, the Raiders are in a fight for their football life today. Taking a 3rd loss in a row, this time to the 0-11 Jets, will mar this entire season and any progress we thought the Raiders might have made in 2020.
The Jets, meanwhile, have nothing to lose. They are at home, and still have enough firepower on both sides of the ball to make life very uncomfortable for the Raiders.
Time to break the trend!
Time for the Raiders to provide a little return on investment to the Raider Nation!!
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