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Well, here we are. A new era upon us, once again. May the team circle the wagons; reach a record of 4-2; and show that they are still playing for a playoff run. GO RAIDERS!
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Sunday, October 17, 2021
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Raiders still need to overcome the lack of offensive line production. If the O-line continues to underperform, at some point there are two conclusions we can draw...
(A) The Raiders scouting grossly overrated players like James, Simpson and Leatherwood.
(B) The Raiders coaches have grossly underperformed their job of coaching these players.
Today is a huge divisional game, against a top defense. Raiders are already 0-1 in their division. Going 0-2 wouldn't bode well for a playoff run.
Another glaring issue has been early possessions which scripted plays have failed miserably. Raiders are the lowest scoring team in the first half. I don't see how they can live in that realm and make the playoffs.
Lots of work to do. Hopefully, it starts today!
Vegas, Baby!
The Chargers are getting crushed. Today's game is a huge opportunity for the Raiders.
Best quarter of football in weeks.
the distraction is gone and the team can focus on the game.
I really wonder when the team knew about the Gruden lynching? From what I have heard, it was at least, prior to the Chargers game.
Another new era.
Go Raiders
One has to wonder what Gruden is thinking seeing this team play lights out.
Maxx Crosby, Hobbs, Moerhig, Abram, Jacobs, Ruggs, Edwards, Renfrow, Miller, Ingold, Moreau, Mullen and even Leatherwood.
Proving to be not so bad.
Raiders rolled the Horses. Great performance by a team under siege for the last couple of weeks. Big day for the D, Maxx can take the place of Mack any time. Maxx is a true Raider, Mack wasn't.
D-line was after it all game and the DB's were rewarded with INT's. Perryman is playing his ass off and hitting everything in sight. That new CB taken of the Chargers practice squad was a good pick up, he had a big day too.
Great start for the new HC, if they can play like this every game, playoffs would be a good possibility.
Great first win for Bisaccia. In Mile High! All-out team effort. Hate to single anyone out but Crosby balled all game. Apparently, he doesn't need oxygen.
Just need to sit back and soak this one in for a while. Very cool.
Nate Hobbs looks like he could become a special player
Sandy
Carr's pass to Drake was a thing of beauty. Easily one of his top 10 passes of his career
Sandy
Wow how satisfying this win is. They made the score closer than it should have been at the end, but I have to say the Raiders felt like they controlled that game from Whoa to Go. My only complaint is our radio broadcast is horrible, I like the insight LK has but Ol’ Brent needs to go. It’s really hard to visualise what’s happening when he gives so few details of line ups , personnel packages which way the pass or run is going. Thank goodness this is the game that was televised down here, only had to listen to Brent while I drove to work.(Monday morning football…) enjoy this one gentlemen!
Great, exciting win, and just what the Raiders needed. On the road, backs against the wall, Raiders against the world, just like old times, and Raiders responded. Hats off to Bisaccia,and Olsen, who did an incredible job under heavy pressure.
Drake is the secret weapon. Gruden signed him, and never used him. Typical Gruden.
Great win, always love beating the Donks, especially in their own back yard.
Raiders showed they have good talent. This team will not need a total rebuild, no matter who the next HC is. Just build on what is there, and Just Win!!!
If you take away some garbage time in the 4th Qtr, the Raiders D had a pretty good day, despite spending disproportionately more time on the field than the offense.
5 sacks
3 INTs
1 forced Fumble & recovery
17 QB hits
Any of those numbers jump out by itself but together that's impressive.
I still get discouraged on 3rd and long when I see the Raiders coverage line up in soft zone beyond the first down marker and allow the underneath pass that easily converts. There has to be a better defense for that situation!
Aussie Raider,
Agreed on Brent on the radio, he is pretty awful to listen too. He still thinks he is on TV. I can't stand the "Did you see that play?" No, we are listening on radio.
I did not get to see the game yesterday due to personal reasons. Watching the highlights this morning, it appears the O-line held up pretty much all day. It was good to see the Raiders firing on all cylinders, and with the Chargers getting blown out, the Raiders make their way back to a tie for first. I was glad to see Drake get more touches, and it is always good to see Richard back in action.
Hey NY, what did you think about the play-action-pass? 24% of our offense today was the play-action-pass, compared to 11% under Gruden. FINALLY! Olson letting Carr open the play book was magical. Finally! Eagles are next up.
JUST WIN, BABY!
Raiders came to PLAY yesterday. That was really cool. Love the takes here.
Interesting, Nate. I didn't realize play-action was used that much. I guess my response is, perhaps the training wheels are off the offense now that Gruden is gone. My take on Gruden is that he was too much of a micromanager on offense, even wrt Carr's audibles at the line. I imagine the new relationship between Olsen and Carr to be more collaborative.
Expanding the point a little further, perhaps scoring a TD on the opening drive yesterday was either revealing of this new relationship or extremely coincidental. Gruden couldn't buy a TD with his scripted plays to start a game.
Could that now be behind us?
Suffice to say, the Raiders haven't always responded well when the HC calls all the plays on either side of the ball, e.g., Kiffin, Jackson, Del Rio (who started with Foreman but called plays after Foreman was fired) and even Cable when he decided to call plays himself. Perhaps Gruden just adds to a long list of HCs that tried to do too much.
I would add to my point above, perhaps that's what makes Bissacia a good choice and why he was selected, say, over Gus Bradley, as Interim HC.
One game does not make a season, but it was a great place to start.
What about the O line? I thought it went from awful to mediocre.
Sandy
A great win, the Raiders played good and beat a very good Broncos team. Happy for new HC Bisaccia!
But they won against an injury hit team again, its' the same hype-, is this a playoff team or a mediocre team that has more wins than is usually does?
Once again, we're a contender, forget the loss to Chicago. We're going to the playoffs with all this talent, the drafts and FA's just took some time. But looking at the team you wonder how they are 4-2.
What about KC, LAC and Browns? We seem to have problems with the winning teams.
* The Raiders are winning against injury hit and mediocre teams. They need help and should try and find more talent:
We need a vet WR, pass rushers, a vet FS and OG. Mayock has been reaching and Gruden was blocked from getting star FA's because the NFL wants the Raiders to be like other teams-Keep that cap low and be cheap!
Why is it that when they win A game we get excited? Despite losing to mediocre teams and having average roster. We lose then have a win or 2 then its' how good the staff is doing! What the Raiders need is to be told YOU NEED TO SPEND AND BRING IN PLAYERS!- then they may be able to win more than 1-2 games but win more!
The NFL out to get the Raiders? No, the NFL is out to erase Al's legacy! the old Raiders' last legacy! they're cool with the new Raiders just that there's STILL some of Al's era on that team!
The league's only issue with the new Raiders are they'res still people from Al's era on team and, will they go back to using Al's ideas? The Raiders have cooperated and stopped standing up for whats right and gone corporate, even letting Corporations/ NFL control SOME of Raiders. They're not spending on star free agents or making big trades to win.
* They go into Denver losing their HC, with a mediocre offense and suspect secondary but have big win over Broncos who strangely lost 3 starting linebackers before half time. That's (winning) great but why all the love all of a sudden from the NFL/ sponsors? They NEED Raiders to win enough to make us happy and make that Vegas money. Is the 4-2 record showing the real team? Is NFL/ media making a contender up? Are they giving us facts showing they're contenders despite problems in secondary, WRs' and O-line?
What Raiderantion should do but will listen to media/ Raiders, is tell them TO SPEND and make some TRADES and also, question the NFL's actions with Gruden!
To Anon-, Mack wasn't a true Raider? Ummmm.....Mack said something bad about them? He asked to be traded?
What Gruden is thinking about?: Go Raiders! Keep it up!
Gruden was doing too much?!: Wow calling plays caused him to break down? Wow I thought this was something many HC have done for years. I didn't know calling plays wore Gruden down so much!
A new era?: Wow! that would be four HC's since '12! That means no ex-Raiders' person and NFL outsiders will be making the decisions on the draft and FA's. That also means new excuses and more con jobs with Raidernation. Fans don't need to quit on Raiders just tell the new era to spend on star players and the Raiders to bring those prices down!
We played an injury ridden Doncos team, but we have been ridden with injuries ourselves. Here is the Raiders' current IR list:
Incognito, Good, Arnette, Carrier, Morrow, Mullen, and White. Gerald McCoy is out for the year and facing a suspension when he returns. Hankins did not play on Sunday against the Doncos due to a hip injury. But the injury list before Sunday, including players who played for the Raiders, was twice as large as Denver's.
Abram-shoulder/calf
Barber-Toe
Facyson-hip
Hankins-hip DNP
Hayward-knee
Hobbs-shoulder
Ingold-shoulder
Jefferson-back
Leavitt-Knee
Littleton-shoulder
Miller-Pectoral
Nassib-rib
Ngakoue-knee
Parker-ribs
Perryman-toe
Teamer-ankle
Waller-knee
Jacob-illness
Ruggs-knee
The bottom line was the Raiders needed this game as a confidence booster of the past 2 weeks. They manned up, they fought beyond themselves, and lifted each other up. This was a momentum starter. JUST WIN, BABY!
Sandy
Indeed, the O-line had a better day but, IMO, they have a way to go to reach "mediocre." Still plenty of issues to point to, including another botched snap and untimely penalties.
The Raiders used a lot of max protection packages with TEs and backs, so they've actually been fairly smart at compensating for shortcomings of the line. Also, Carr reacted well to blitzes and got off some screens and dump passes. Kudos!
Matchups are also important. Raiders big O-line has been pushed around a lot this year. Broncos covet speed on D, which means their D-line might be smaller than some other teams. (That's favored the Raiders in the past too.) Last Sunday, as long as Parker had help on the edge, which he often did, those matchups worked for the Raiders. But max protection is less than ideal because it gives Carr fewer options and creates coverage mismatches that favor the D.
IMO, Raiders O-line will get pushed around a lot this year, so pointing to one game as progress might be a little premature, perhaps even misleading. The key for the Raiders will be to stay one step ahead of their opponents, which is something the Raiders did not do well under Gruden, as evidenced by his failures with scripted plays.
Raiders scored on their first possession on Sunday for the first time since middle of last season. How can a high-powered offense like the Raiders be guess wrong on film study and analysis for almost an entire season worth of games. For some teams, i.e., presumably well-coached teams, their first drive is usually their best.
Maybe it wasn't Gruden. Maybe Carr needs to shake off the rust, or jitters before getting settled in. But then you look at the pass he floated Ruggs between double coverage on Sunday and..., well, it points back to Gruden.
By far the Raiders biggest concern is their O-line. Here's some revealing stats and some FA suggestions by the author. The status quo might not be good enough for the Raiders to make the playoffs and potentially advance.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2949571-3-available-nfl-free-agents-who-can-still-help-raiders
NY
I told you we had a better WR room than last year and that the D line was much imporved. Now let me remind you what I said about Richie, if he plays we make the playoffs. I said we need 15 games out of him but at this point playing all the games after the bye will do. Why? Cause he stabilizes James in terms of protections etc., provides an Alpha Dog/Bad Ass prescence and gets the run game going with his physical style.
Another 40 yards rushing in games against Washington, Cinncy, Indy could be the three wins we need.
BTW, the author knows crap DeCastro is retired and is not coming bakc same with Wagner why do you read these trash journalists. I want to buy you a subscription to the Athletic
Regards,
Sandy
Sandy,
I did not endorse any selections made by the author, however, his call for urgent changes to the Raiders O-line after six weeks is more than justified. Also, the author states both aforementioned players as being retired, so that was fully disclosed.
I read a lot of perspectives about the Raiders, including yours which I sometimes but not always agree.
Cheers!
NY
This guy writes for The Athletic. Check out his twitter feed he really knows his stuff. If you scroll down you will see some analysis on Abrham and the O-Line that wil make you feel better
https://mobile.twitter.com/FB_FilmAnalysis
Sandy
Thanks, Sandy. That's a great slow-mo shot of a solid run block by the O-line, but it's Renfrow who delivers the decisive block. Raiders struck gold with that kid.
Abram has played more disciplined this entire season. He is far better around the LOS than he was out in coverage. Gus Bradley deserves a medal for placing Abram in a position to succeed.
My suspicion about Robertson in an earlier post was proven correct, he got benched during the game. That setup a big day by #35 who just joined the team. I was high on Robertson when he was drafted, i.e., after watching his college highlights. He seemed so fluid and a ballhawk. But I feared he was too small to matchup with big NFL WRs. He and Arnette have been big disappointments. Bradley has done well to keep the best available players on the field.
The Raiders need HELP!!!
Now, they're starting to do something but it's only depth and band aid moves right now.
The Raiders need to bring in talent before trading period is over:
Clelin Ferrell- maybe the Steelers, Pats or Jets might need some back up help on the D-line. Maybe a decent backup WR or backup edge rusher would be good things to accept for Ferrell.
Jalen Richard- 49ers, Texans and Bucs/ If the Raiders could get somebody like Jordan Willis or Dee Ford from S.F. that would be huge.
The #no.2 pick: maybe some team would be willing to trade a DT or edge rusher to Raiders for a second rounder. Some guys may be getting too much money and teams may want to trade them. A starting CB might be good too.
* free agents:
Tyre Coleman- 51 career sacks in college.
Clay Matthews III
Here's an interesting thought, if the Raiders were to make the playoffs, it might diminish any case for damages Mark Davis might have against the NFL for singling out the Raiders and leaking Gruden's emails. Meanwhile, no way to spin it, Gruden got screwed by the NFL. Btw, the NFL suggesting only Gruden's emails were concerning is absolute BS. Tell us another one. If this goes to litigation, the Raiders should be entitled to discovery and potentially all the emails may be exposed.
No, Gruden didn't have control over the draft. He never drafted like that! That was Mayock/ new scouts!
Gruden had say over FA's and SOME over the draft but it was Mayock/ new scouts that did the drafting! Main reason was, the NFL/ owners didn't want a return BACK to the ideas of Al. There'll be no big, fast, athletes getting big contracts! They want to know if the new Raiders will be a 'model franchise'- they can't look like an Al team.
Come on!- when did Gruden ever:
1. Reach for guys knowing there were 'big play' guys left on board?
2. Stay glued to Alabama, Clemson and Ohio State! Their reaches?
3. Refuse to sign ANY expensive, star FA's.
No, Gruden never did that! He was blocked from spending and making big deals with players! Mayock/ new scouts/ NFL outsiders were doing the drafting.
Gruden just coached and made some draft/ FA moves but Mayock was in control. Keep salary cap low, be cheap, maybe a few bigger-faster athletes but only a few. Get those high-character guys and sign cheap good FA players; don't worry about the CBA, NFLPA(Unions) or player's rights! Just be a 'model franchise'!
It was 'pay back' against Al for all the things he did to the league and messing with their money(CBA).
Gruden/ Reggie could be leaders but they had to do what the NFL told they to. And NFL wanted to see a team totally opposite-wiped clean of Al. With outsiders ADVISING on the draft/ coaches they(NFL) gets to change team and get 'pay back'- Old Raiders running the team not using any AL ideas, mediocre drafts and cheap FA's and a fan base supporting it.
Reggie:
I don't think Reggie had much say either.
Reggie was hired by the NFL/ owners to make Raidernation happy. An ex-Raider coming to take the team BACK to its' glory. The NFL wanted somebody to get rid of Al's era, not a rebuild but 'pay back'- every idea, culture, employee has to go.
1. MD didn't hire him the NFL/owners did.
2. He didn't hire D. Allen the NFL/ owners did.
3. He was blocked from making any big deals or playing big money to FA's.
I don't think he had much of a problem with the roster. I think he/ his could see the Raiders were loaded. They TOLD him to fire all of Al's employees. It wasn't about an overhaul it was 'pay back' and lowering that roster so ALL teams wouldn't have to pay big contracts to players.
He kept DMAC, C-Bass and Lechler(as long as they did) because of the cap and their contracts. He was a demo-man not a builder and you supported it. You thought he was going take team back to its' glory. Erasing ALL the ideas of the man who built those winning seasons.
1. Reggie either didn't have a game plan or they blocked it.
2. He listened to what the NFL/ owners told him to do.
3. He never REALLY did anything he/ media claimed, Except-, cleaned out vets with big contracts, lowered salary cap and many coaches.
He/ Reggie were hired to make Raidernation happy!
Reggie was hired to as a 'demo-man' and to fire Al's employees and keep salary cap low.
Gruden was hired to win without Al's ideas. A new Raiders' team that keeps the hype and talks Raiders but is cheaper and using NFL system/ ideas.
Mark Davis said Gruden had final say (51% vote) on all personnel.
When he said that, Gruden and the Raiders had just been publicly humiliated, with Gruden tendering his resignation. Why would Davis lie about that and potentially make the Raiders look worse for leaving it all in Gruden's hands?
Davis' word on this matter is good enough for me. Again, why would he lie?
Apparently, Denzel Perryman leads the NFL in tackles. By itself, that doesn't mean he's the best. However, the level of play on defense, IMO, noticeably drops when Perryman leaves the field and, say, Nick Kwiatkoski comes in.
Perryman is a thumper. Guy is like a brick wall. When he hits a player, the play is over. It's been fun to watch this guy. If and when Morrow comes back from IR, there's no way he should take snaps away from Perryman (who leads the NFL).
NY
When Morrow comes back he should replace Littleton in the 4-2-5. Perryman is a stud brilliant pick up. Himand Morrow will be great. Kwiatkoski should go to the bench he is liability.
Perryman Morrow KJ, Littleton. The last time the Raiders add a linevacking group this good was in 2002.
Sandy
NY said MD said Gruden had 51% say over personnel. Why would he lie?
The NFL is much different now, not run by a Commish- Its' run by billionaire owners, sponsors and large corporations! NFL wants money and more ways to get it. They 'screw over' the players and try to cheapen salaries. Al stood against that and was punished- this time NFL with billionaires and huge Corporations. They put NFL people in the Raiders and that's why the Raiders are a mess right now.
Well, MD didn't lie! How would he know the NFL/ owners were tampering with his team!?
But the league security probably has a 'gag order' on operations even if they're illegal.
Gruden was in charge of managing personnel, coaching it and could sign or draft SOME guys- but drafting his guys? No way!
* Lie!? MD isn't working with the front office. Making decisions-NFL/owners/ Mayock are. But that's what Raidernation wanted an owner who:
1. won't meddle with his coaches.
2. work with the NFL.
3. not hire or fire anyone without NFL permission.
4. replace Al's employees whether connected to the slump or not.
MD's word? He doesn't say anything until AFTER hiring/ firing/ draft. He didn't lie about anything he just didn't know what the NFL/ Gruden/ Reggie were doing- Then they call him to make comments.
That's just more scams the NFL and media has done to us:
1. The playoffs
2. return to glory
3. average-good players "coached up" into a winning team(like Pats, Colts, Packers, E. Manning's Giants).
4. stability with coaches(not firing them after a 1-2 years).
You listened when Reggie promised those things. When NFL/ media said letting Reggie rebuild was the best for you and how a new stadium is so important.
Well!? Reggie, NFL/ media said things and made big promises about the new Raiders and few of them got done. At least MD never talked that much.
* Making MD some kind of quiet partner in what the NFL/ Reggie/ Mayock do is just silly; a guy who never wanted to do much as a GM- in a league that just wanted the Raiders to cooperate and let the NFL people sent to them do things.
MD just wants to be owner and be left alone!
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