Eagles Gameday Thread
Little late to the post here, nearing the end of the first, kind of a rough start but plenty of time to turn it around. GO RAIDERS!
posted by Raider Take at 1:35 PM
Sunday, October 24, 2021
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And turn it around they did.
Bisaccia off to a good start. Raiders deserve a week off. They cannot let 5-2 record get to their head. They started 6-3 last year.
Run blocking is improving. Carr was off the charts, except for one errant pass. albeit, a critical one.
Defense really locked in after the Eagles first drive. Bradley is a prevent D guy when the score gets lopsided. That didn't matter today. It was all Raiders when it mattered.
Enjoy the win!
Carr 91% completion wow. Another decent game from the o line against a strong Eagle front. Yannick was a beast today.
Sandy
Are the Raiders a better team for going through wha tthey did. Has is made the team circle the wagons, get tough and gel?
Sandy
The defense (D-line in particular) has a chip on its shoulder. Raiders have a legit front four, with a solid rotation. Many of the 2021 free agents have exceeded expectation. Hayward, Thomas, Jefferson, Perryman, and even newer guys like Facyson.
For once, Raiders may have excelled in free agency. That might be thanks to Bradley. A lot of guys have ties with Bradley in SD.
On offense, dare I say, Olsen is calling a better game than Gruden. Look no further than scripted plays to start games which the Raiders look much better the last two weeks. Might be Gruden's playbook, but I think Olsen and Carr have trimmed it down and are calling plays that they feel will work. Raiders are using play-action more, and screen passes are actually part of the offense again. Go figure!
O-line is playing better, which implies there's hope. Cable practically got kicked out of Seattle but he has earned his keep in LV. He's had many challenges, including injuries and a 4/5 turnover of the line this year.
I'm liking the rule by committee approach with Bisaccia. The team seems more laid back and they are playing their asses off. Rumor is the players like Bisaccia and want him as full-time HC. They know they need to win to make that happen.
How about that O-line?
Patched up with not much experience and they roll the Eagles front 4 like it was nothing. The O-line needs time to gel, it is a unit that needs gel time, or it will look disjointed.
The D is improving every week, it is so unusual to see the D create so many turnovers and pressuring the QB a lot.
The team could be playing for Gruden still, players can see what is going on, with Gruden being singled out and basically shamed out of the NFL. They see the target on the Raider franchise. US AGAINST THE WORLD, it still is and the Raiders have ALWAYS relished that situation.
It is the main reason why I have been a Raider fan for almost my whole life, I live by US AGAINST THE WORLD mentality and I owe a lot of that to the Raiders.
Gruden deserves some credit also. Let's remember that Gruden tore down the roster and built it back up — yes with some major missteps, — and hired the front office and the coaching staff, as well as put together the playbook. He is tied to whatever success this team has, and many of the players still talk to him.
Sandy
Andre James allowed ZERO QB pressures yesterday. Jacobs was injured after 29 yards rushing, and Drake took over.
I am still a little baffled by all of this. What bugs me the most about the Gruden thing, these were emails over the last 10 years. A few weeks ago, Urban Meyer was feeling up a chick at a bar as she danced all over him, and he's still in the League.
Granted, this is not a take in support of Gruden. Amy Trask said when Gruden was there the first time, she did not have a lot of interaction with Gruden at his request. Dude was, and still is, a loser; and I'm glad he's gone. The purpose is to show the contempt and outright bias toward the Raiders.
We have the Bye Week this next week, and then the Chiefs, Bengals, and Cowboys. 2 of these 3 teams have been balling, and the other is the Chiefs. Still, we have 3 tough games coming up, and after what the Bengals did to the Ravens on Sunday, it is not going to be easy. Cowboys are playing well too, so it will be interesting to see how this plays out. JUST WIN, BABY!
If the team goes to the SB, then I will be glad Gruden left. We still haven't seen the emails and to me, a guy who wants to keep the game a Man's game, I'm all for that.
For all those virtual signalling peeps, who continue to bend a knee to the agendas, keep it to yourself. Women do not belong in football, they don't. Not as a ref, a commentator, a player or a coach. Amy has it out for Gruden too, so why jump on that train?
Gruden rebuilt the Raiders and the wins you are enjoying now are because of mostly Gruden. Like Sandy wrote, Gruden deserves credit for bringing the Raiders to where they are today. A roster full of talent and a team that wants to win.
Bashing on Gruden, as a Raider fan, is bad form.
Sandy, what players still talk to Gruden? I have not read that anywhere. My take is that players are intentionally separating themselves from Gruden and his email debacle (if for no reason but to not disrespect players on the team who were most offended). Players at pressers have said they are all business on the field and that practicing and playing football has helped keep their mind off the situation.
Again, my take is that the players simply want to win, and they want to win for Bisaccia, whom they really like and respect. Bisaccia is 2-0 and the Raiders have played their best football since he was named Interim HC.
The key now is to not fall into the trap of past seasons. If the Raiders are truly improved, they will need to finish the season like they started it.
P.S. more reason why I don't believe players are speaking to Gruden, nor is anyone looking to him for any direction.
The Raiders offense has made noticeable changes in play calling since Gruden left. I'm sure play-action and screens are just part of that.
Rich Bisaccia on Carr and Olsen:
"We can all see that the relationship that [Carr] and Greg Olson have running this offense. It’s really coming into fruition. We hope that continues, but I think they both need credit when it comes to that. Off the field, Derek is the voice of the Raiders right now. Players always want to listen to him. They always go to him.".
"I can’t say enough about Greg and what they’re doing on offense. His direction, his leadership have gone hand and hand with what Derek’s doing. Obviously, collectively they’ve been together, and I think they’re doing a good job of coming up with a vision of what each game should look like, and I think Greg spearheaded that as well.”
To me, it seems like a weight has been lifted off the offense. Gruden spent much of his last four years with the Raiders trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. Looks like Olsen and Carr (possibly with Tom Cable's help) may have found the round peg.
The defense is all Gus Bradley, and he's proven he's a far better coach and coordinator than Paul Guenther.
It's time for the Raiders to pounce! KC is suddenly a mess, the Chargers looked beatable last week. Keep the foot on the gas and take the division!
I think the players have been instructed to not breech the Gruden subject. The team doesn't want any more trouble from the league and players spouting off about it, would be a no no.
Players want to win for themselves, mostly. They seem to really like Bisaccia and want to keep him as the HC. Also, the way the league jobbed the Raiders and Gruden, it's all adding fuel to the fire.
The offense under Gruden was pretty darn good too, other teams were getting a read on Gruden, the change gives the other teams a new look to figure out. It's still Gruden's offense, it sounds like Carr is the O coordinator and Olsen works with him, instead of Gruden.
Defense has much better talent to work with, the edge rush is outstanding and the mid rush isn't to shabby either. The DB's are so much better and Perryman is a MLB stud. Bradley is using the talent well.
Chargers look like the biggest threat as K.C. starts it's downward spiral to mediocre.
If the Raiders don't do their usual end of the year flop, they will have as good of chance as any to win the division.
If that happens, I wonder what Gruden would be feeling. Probably break his heart and mend it at the same time.
KC's early slide is unbelievable. Have teams solved Mahomes? I believe the Raiders have been smarter playing against mobile QBs. They've had plenty of opportunity.
Kyler Murray is the "new" Mahomes.
That's who Gruden would have taken in a heartbeat... but maybe he was right to some degree. Yet Carr has matured into an elite QB, IMHO. He is putting up 2016 numbers under Musgrave. Carr and Olsen have it going on. They might run into a buzz saw eventually but it looks promising so far.
Great win against the Eagles. Tough part of schedule coming up, and tough division games remain.
Have to wonder where Raiders would be if they still had Amari Cooper. That is turning out to be a very bad trade. Raiders would have Cowpokes offense, if Cooper not dealt.
Edwards just not in Coopers class.
"If the Raiders don't do their usual end of the year flop..."
Exactly.
this team is different though, IMO.
the depth is there now, before, if a decent player was hurt, they had no one up to the challenge. the team has had multiple injuries to the DB's, but the level of play is just as good. Waller gets hurt, no problem, Morneau plays like a pro bowler. Jacobs goes down, Incognito etc.
So this is good because it will help the team as the season goes on. Before, there was no depth and once injuries happened, they couldn't recover.
They are 5-2 at the break, they can get healthy for the push needed. Things are lining up for an exciting finish.
Cooper?
Abram is playing well and has room to grow, Cooper is ranked around the 40th mark for wr's.
Cooper had lousy hands and had a sulking face while a Raider. I'll take Abram.
Ghost seriously Cooper--are you aware he is making 20 million this year and for the next 3----lol. Spending that much on a reciever is not worth it any reciever not mention one who is not top 15. Not a good use of money. He was also a lazy dog when he was on the Raiders and had a crap attitude. It was not a bad trade it was a medicore pick so far in regards to Abrham.
NY, vic Tafur has said a number of times in articles may players have kept in touchw ith Gruden and Carr openly says he speaks to him---they live next door to each other.
It does not matter anymore he is gone. The only issue worth mentioning about it now is how the NFL pruposley screwed the Raiders and it goes with outsaying as Anon wrote there is a huge doublie standard. There are players who have assualted women and children and are playing. Nevr mind the scum who are owners.
Moving on the o line looks like it is making progress. I say they get Fluker ready during the by week and replace Parker with him. Parker is for sure the worst player on the line and a complete liablity in pass pro.
You know how I feel about Richie.
Anyone know anyting about Mullen's health? I hate how secretive they are about injuries. The signing of Facyson and Trufant look great as well
Sandy
Hondo Carpenter of SI wrote at the beginning of the season that Gruden was hindering Carr's progress and how the offense operated. Since his departure, I am now convinced that Hondo was right. As far as the players talking to Gruden, who cares, he's not calling the shots anymore, and like Carr said, he is still a human being that needs help.
Amari Cooper is hit and miss with Dallas too, Ceedee Lamb is the WR stud there. Abram has shown tremendous growth this season as a person and a player.
This was by far the Offensive Line's best performance of the season against a good Philly defensive front (that was talking trash in Philly media before the game). The run blocking was improved, and we still have a way to go. But as a team, they rushed for 119 yards. They allowed no sacks, even though they did have a few holding penalties, the overall performance of the line the last 2 weeks has been dramatically different. I don't know how many pressures Carr faced, but overall I graded the O-lines' performance a A-/B.
But if you take Cooper away from Dallas offense, then the D can focus more on Lamb. that's what the Raiders are missing. one more WR to keep opposing D guessing.
If the D ignores Cooper, he can still burn them. if Coop were still on Raiders, i think it would open up offense for Ruggs, and Edwards, Waller, and the run game.
not saying it has to be Coop, it's just that we already had him. Raiders need another good WR, and yeah, a lesser price tag would be wise.
Nate, I agree with Carpenter. The evidence is there. Scripted plays are supposed to be your best plays, based on film study and analysis of your opponent. Right? Yet, under Gruden, the Raiders hadn't scored on their first possession dating back to the middle of last year. That's a long run of failure for an offense that regularly puts up 30 pts a game.
Olsen and Carr tore it up last week, and only failed to score on the 1st possession this week due to an errant throw and INT at the 5 yard line. Carr's ONLY bad throw. Turns out, Carr's 92% completion rate is 2nd highest in the NFL history.
But it's much more than that. The Raiders have opened up play-action and screens since Gruden resigned. They have the personnel for those plays, and ZBS under Cable that make those plays viable.
WRT to Cooper, he was done in Oakland. He became lazy and uninspired, IMO. His move to Dallas benefitted both teams as well as Cooper.
And let's be honest, the Raiders have a lot of targets. Carr finds like 7-8 different receivers every game.
With that said, I still scratch my head why the Raiders took Ruggs over Lamb. However, I will cut the kid some slack. He has been a reliable target all over the field. Raiders lead the league in plays over 20 yards, and I think Ruggs leads the NFL in yards per catch. And he's fun to watch.
The 2021 offense is channeling 2016 with Bill Musgrave. Letting Musgrave go has been the Raiders biggest mistake since 2016... and cost Del Rio his job!
Prior to that, Olsen was in Oakland during Carr's rookie season, during which Carr shined. Olsen and Carr are in a zone right now, and Bisaccia is full of encouragement.
Very concerned about the brutal remaining schedule. The only easy games are Denver at home Giants and maybe Washington too. Everything else will be tough. They really needed the Chicago game. 11 wins are needed to assure a playoff spot. Not sure where all 6 wins will come from.
Sandy
The Bears loss hurts even more now after seeing how the Bears have played since. Raiders were unprepared..., and possibly distracted by the Gruden debacle (although I hate that excuse).
The Raiders now have coaching by committee, with three former HCs and Carr/Olsen tandem. I imagine all these guys have a say in game planning, and Carr/Olsen have the last word on play calling.
Here's an analogy that I think music lovers will appreciate.
If a band allows its instrumentalists pick the setlists, it's highly possible some songs will sound like sh*t vocally. If vocals sound bad, everybody sounds bad. When the singer picks the setlist, he's picking songs that are in his wheelhouse.
Essentially, through this new collaboration, Carr gets to pick the songs.
I believe the Raiders are a better team because of that. Bisaccia said Carr is the face of the team. He's a vet QB and he's a leader. This season rests on his shoulders.
One game at a time. Giants in NJ will is no guarantee. No game should be labeled "easy."
NY, correct! No game should be labeled "easy" in this League. The Bears and Chargers were beatable teams, and the Raiders and Gruden were not prepared. I wonder if the players lost faith in Gruden his last two games? I wonder if they knew what was happening? That is behind us now, and like the team, we must move forward.
The games against the Bengals, Cowboys, Colts, and Browns are hard to predict right now, because these teams are up and down depending on the week. We should be able to handle the rest and end the season 11-6 or 10-7. Will that be enough to win the division? We will see. But I would love to beat the AFC North in the Regular Season without a loss, and win out the rest of the games against the West.
Division title is pretty ambitious. I doubt KC has lost 5 games over the past three years combined, and LAC has already beat the Raiders. I'd be happy with a wildcard birth. That's a big hurdle all by itself. Raiders will need to beat teams like the Bengals, Colts and Browns to make that happen. All those teams are within the Raiders reach.
These last two games under Bisaccia have been very satisfying. It's there for the taking! Carr, Crosby and other leaders on the team have to take charge of their own destiny.
Vegas, baby!
Headline:
Rich Gannon Thinks it Might not be Coincidence That Derek Carr is Playing Better Since Jon Gruden Left.
My posts demonstrate that I firmly believe Carr is more relaxed and ready to take the next step without Gruden.
https://www.raidersbeat.com/rich-gannon-thinks-it-might-not-be-coincidence-that-derek-carr-is-playing-better-since-jon-gruden-left/
NY, your negativity on Gruden predated his email issue and this season as well. You may want to hold off on your conclusions for a few more games. Beating crap ass Denver and Philly is less impressive than the wins against Baltimore and Pitt where Carr played excellent as well.
If they beat NY and KC after the break I will be happy to buy whatever your selling. BTW what bands do you like? My all time favorit is the Who.
Regards
Sandy
Wow!!!!!! Raidernation the fans who wanted a man who led them to three division titles! Got cheated by the NFL(New England) then got traded to the Bucs and beat his ex-team in the SB!
You don't want him anymore? You don't think he ever was really that good and he's to blame for QB Carr's slow development, bad drafts, making game plans that are slow and don't speed up offense and losing two games?
I thought him and Rich Gannon were the biggest loses in Y2K? Are you telling me we don't need him?
* 2002! GRUDEN TRADED TO TB for ton of picks!
media- Breaking News!- "?"
Raidernation- "#@$#!?"!
Also- "Huge mistake, what did Al do that for?"
* 2011 WHY WERE RAIDERS IN THAT SLUMP?
media "Al lost it and may be losing his mind, bad drafts, overpaid vets, overpaid star free agents, no consistantcy with head coaches and dysfunction from Al!"
Raidernation- "Yea, media is right!- Al has too much control over team with yes men coaches and he keeps firing coaches!"
Also- "Losing Gruden caused team to lose it's leader and his great game plans".
Also "He beat the Raiders and they haven't found a HC that can lead the team like he did. The team couldn't win in 9 years without him".
Also "Gruden AND Gannon were to huge loses Al couldn't overcome".
* THE REGGIE ERA '15-'16
media-"The hot seat might be getting warm for Reggie".
Also- "The Raiders have made big gains (?) since Reggie came, but the team still has had issues and questionable moves in the draft and free agency, Reggie may be on the hotseat".
Also- "There are rumors about ex-Raiders and TB HC jon Gruden returning to Raiders. Some in Raidernation are excited. This could make it tough for HC Del Rio if Gruden comes back unless its' as GM or OC; Can Reggie and Gruden get along?"
Also- "Jack Del Rio took Raiders to playoffs but the team just has lots of needs before its' a real contender, the seat may be getting warm for Reggie and there are fans who are excited about a possible comeback by Gruden".
* GRUDEN IS NAMED COACH OF THE OAKLAND RAIDERS!
2017-'18
media- Breaking news!!!! "Jon Gruden is hired as new HC of the Oakland Raiders!"
"The LV Raiders didn't play well in the playoffs and the front office is getting pressure to win. Gruden lead the TB Bucs to a SB win over Raiders".
"Fans are excited!- they think Gruden can take them back to their winning history".
Fans are excited, talking playoffs, They feel Al Davis made a mistake getting rid of Gruden. Now they feel he will take team back to its glory.
"Reggie doing a great job but there's questions about team moves. After leading the Raiders to the playoffs McKenzie is still under pressure to win; HC Del Rio was fired after going to the playoffs-but team had questions in key areas-The team was been mediocre. Fans feel Gruden will use Reggie's talent and add to it".
*RAIDERNATION
We gonna go back to winning again
He'll bring back the Raider way (You mean Al's way?)
Just another few years and we'll be in the playoffs!
Hope he still can build (?) a team and lead it.
Haters! Look out for us!
THE HATERS- '17-present (anybody that questions the move).
What about his record in TB after the SB?
Hey, didn't Al build those 00-'02 teams?
What was up with trading Mack?
Why did he hire Mayock, a guy from a sports news program to be GM?
Wow Raidernation! What a sudden change in loyalty, relationships and love!
Sandy,
You're correct. IMO, Gruden did NOT get it done, and he certainly did not live up to his $10M a year contract. Four years is too long for the Raiders to only now be crawling out of basement. I think it's inexcusable.
But to your second point, I'm not selling anything. Only posting my observations, e.g., more play-action, more screens, and Derek Carr more in charge of his own (and the Raiders) destiny. That's improvement!
Actually, I'm the guy whose glass is half full. It appears you're the half empty guy now.
The point being missed here is, the Raiders have been attacked by the league, again.
The investigation has no conclusion except for the Raider HC being forced to resign. The investigator presented approx 6 million documents, 650,000 emails. Proof of Bruce Allen and friends taking advantage of young females etc.
Carr passed for over 300 yds multiple times with Gruden as HC this year. Gruden built this team and it's still his offense. But go ahead and throw some more dirt on Gruden instead of having his back. It's not what Raider fans do.
Al Davis was great, when he was great. But, as with all of us, time goes on and era's pass.
The eras pass because, the old ways of doing things, would no longer work. All Raider fans loved Al, we all cried when he left us, but the best thing a man can do, is pass the torch when it's time.
The franchise was left a deep hole by the time it was passed on. Just shows that it isn't easy to build a winner, especially when it's the Raiders.
As Mark said, about the Gruden sham, he said "we are the Raiders, so we are used to this". So true.
This is a must listen.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/w9FzWPMk2L5r/
Ex Tampa Bay Buc spills the beans.
Well, the Raiders finally completed their internal investigation as to why four top executives left the organization around the same time.
“I think it’s pretty much clear now, or I don’t know if it is clear now, but it was pretty much accounting irregularities,” Mark Davis said.
That's a definite maybe on the rash of departures.
Honestly, it's statements like that which make it easier to understand why the Raiders have not been successful since AL died.
The top 5 players in terms of QB pressures this season:
1) #Raiders Yannick Ngakoue
2) #Raiders Maxx Crosby
3) #Bengals Tey Hendrickson
4) #Titans Harold Landry
5) #Broncos Von Miller
Wow! That's impressive. Two Raiders are 1-2 on this list, ahead of some really good players.
Crosby is number 1 at 47.
Tuesday is the trade deadline and the Raiders have big issues they need to find players who can help them make the playoffs:
Some Free Agents that might be play makers or help:
Tyre Coleman/51 sacks in college and All-Star Semi-Pro player.
Clay Matthews III/
P.J. Hall/ Not a DT, really a talented-pass rushing- really big MLB or big DE. This time he just needs to lose weight and be a DT.
Good players the Raiders might look at:
Brady Jarrett, Falcons/ Ferrell and a draft pick?
Jordan Willis and Dee Ford, 49ers/ a 6th rounder could get one of these guys.
* Montez Sweat, WFT/
Margus Hunt, Bears/ Haven't really had a tall DT over 6'6" since 'Tooz'.
Andrew Van Ginkle, Dolphins/
Calias Campbell, Jax/
* Shelby Harris, Broncos/ Reggie never should've gotten rid of him.
Khalil Mack, Bears/ A 1st round pick might get him back to L.V.
* Leonard Williams, Giants/ Hey, maybe the Giants could get a 3rd for him.
Move Ferrell to DT as a run stuffer.
Make Morrow a rush-end when he comes back.
Raiders have roster issues and don't seem interested in upgrading their O-line. So I don't expect any trade deadline surprises.
Javon White is about to get released coming off IR. Raiders don't have any room for him. Morrow may be next but it's more likely a roster spot will be vacated for Morrow.
This sucks because White was lights out in coverage during preseason. The Raiders desperately need a coverage LB. Between Perryman and Knight, Perryman has been stellar. Knight is not a long term solution and White is....
I doubt White will clear waivers for the Raiders to sign him to the PS. What a shame!
This team just can't get out of its own way sometimes:
Raiders wide receiver Henry Ruggs III is facing a driving under the influence charge after a fiery vehicle crash early Tuesday in Las Vegas that left a woman dead and Ruggs and his female passenger injured, authorities said.
Ruggs charged with Felony DUI resulting in a death. He's probably done with football.
First Gruden, now Ruggs.
Who's next?
Go Raiders!!!! Go Raiders
O.k.! Lets try to stay positive!!!
We are going through something again and its' a sad issue!!
One of the Raiders was involved in an accident and is probably going to be suspended.
We're worried about how it will hurt the team and when he'll be back if ever but there are more important things than the playoffs!
This is about three people, drunk driving, family, speeding and the courtroom. We need to worry about a member of the Raider family being in trouble.
A person was killed in this accident and the family is probably in shock.
Henry Ruggs III needs our prayers and fairness without judgement or hate.
Lets pray for the victim of the accident and their family.
As for the team, they need to play hard and find guys to help. They are a mediocre team that has won 5 games.
They need to keep going and some guys back and find some good players.
Raiders cut Ruggs, and reports are that they are already looking for a speedster vet WR to fill Ruggs Roster spot.
Are the Raiders defacto judge and jury, kicking Ruggs to the curb with no personal support. Seems a bit classless. This separation was just as abrupt as Gruden.
What a difference a day can make. Ruggs was having a solid season, coming off a bye week, now he's facing 2-20 years in prison and his team has already washed their hands of him.
Tragic, on many levels.
The Raiders have cut Ruggs after killing someone in a DUI incident. This is so tragic and sad for both the person who lost his life, and for Ruggs, who is young, and will have to live the rest of his life with the knowledge that he killed someone. This is just so tragic, I really don't have words.
I think the Raiders expedient discarding of Ruggs was a bit classless. They said in their brief statement there would be an "investigation." Ruggs was waived almost immediately after that statement was posted.
Raiders recently waived Willie Snead at Snead's request, so they are extremely thin at WR.
So I guess Jay Jones steps up on the depth chart in a big way.
Unfortunately, nobody on the Raiders roster has the ability to run by the coverage like Ruggs. This is a big loss for the team, beyond the tragic loss for all parties involved.
Giants looked very tough against KC. Their front four is very effective, much like the Raiders front four has been so far this year.
NY,
Now you are all bullish on Ruggs's talent? You were down on him coming into the season. Yes he was looking good and a big part of the offense.
As far as classless. Please spare me. I recognize that he did not commit a predmidated crime of purposley asssaulting, killing or raping someone but he deserves to go to jail. Cutting him I am okay with. It is time to move on, the Raiders do not need the distraction. This is the right move for the team.
I do not want to hear the crap about us all making mistakes. I do not know about you but though I may have done some stupid moves in my life, I have not and I doubt many of us have behaved this recklessly and negligent. The man was going 157 mph, had an illegal loaded gun, was out at 3:45 am and alcohol level twice the legl limit. DUMB ASS.
I feel bad for the Raiders but I have little empathy for him I prefer to have sympathy for the victim and her family. This was not a mistake it was a crime. Not sure what you do for a living but anyone who particpates in this blog and work for a corporation would have their ass bounced the same day, they would not keep paying our salaries.
Sandy
Henry Ruggs was driving at 156 mph, and was at 127 mph when his airbags deployed. He had a .161 blood-alcohol level which is twice the legal limit, and an illegal loaded gun in his possession at the time of the accident which killed a 23 year old woman (I have not heard her name yet). He is going to jail, unfortunately, for a long time. I'm devastated for this young lady and her family; as well as for Henry Ruggs, his girlfriend, and their child.
So many people in our society drive under the influence because they "don't feel drunk" (like Ruggs' attorneys have claimed). It doesn't matter if you feel drunk or not, which is why most states have a blood-alcohol limit. The fact that Ruggs breeched that limit by more than twice what the state set as the standard, proves to the state that he was, by the definition of the state, drunk. The cold hard facts are, that he had more than 2 alcoholic drinks in a public setting. Instead of calling a ride home, he felt like he could drive, and you can re-read the first paragraph again to see the results. The lesson, if you are out in public, and have more than 2 alcoholic drinks; have a designated driver, or call for a ride. Don't put others in danger because of poor choices.
125+ mph? You do that under any circumstance and you've willingly chosen to pilot a killing machine, especially when it's not on an open interstate but rather in a populated city area. Senseless death for an innocent person, and terrible grief for her family.
Sandy,
Why would you make it about me? I was not, and am still not aware of the circumstances, other than the Raiders dumped Ruggs right after saying they would investigate the matter. I am a firm believer in the presumption of innocence. As the facts become clearer, the severity of the action does as well.
Ruggs has played well. Am I not allowed to make that observation? Because I questioned whether or not the unproven WR could play at a starter level after subpar year last year, I'm not permitted (by you) to observe that he's played well this year?
I don't know the answer to this but I think it's a fair question; what responsibility do the Raiders bare? The Raiders are a multi-billion dollar organization and have millions of dollars invested in this young athlete. They have always had mentors, like Willie Brown, around to guide these guys fresh out of college into responsible personal lives. It's critically important when a 23-24 year old kid gets paid millions of dollars.
I'm not suggesting the Raiders are responsible for Ruggs driving out of control, but have they stepped away from mentoring these kids to be responsible with their choices?
This is no small thing. The Raiders, in a flash, just lost a HC and a #1 draft pick.
Al Davis might have been stupid to trade Gruden to Tampa when he did but at least he got paid a king's ransom. These recent events have the Raiders on their knees.
Mark Davis was the one who picked both Gruden and Ruggs. We all know MD hired Gruden personally, but Davis also stated to the media that Ruggs was "the only player he absolutely wanted in the 2020 draft." I just learned that recently.
NY,
If you make ansine comments like somehow this shows a lack of leadership, bad choices or claseless on the part of the Raiders then yeah I will call you out. If you do not want it to be about you don't try and blame any of this on the Raiders.
Henry Ruggs is the person who decided to drink and drive and compounded the problem ten fold by going 157 miles per hour on a public street. Even if he was not drunk that was insane and crimnal. His actions killed someone. He is an idiot. It is no deeper than that.
The Raiders are not claselss they actual showed class for getting rid of him if only to respect the victim's family. They bear no responsiblity what so ever for Ruggs actions.
You have no class for trying to somehow use this to define Mark. Way to go man pile on the Raiders when they are down.
Sandy
Sandy,
Very righteousness of you to police my comments like that. Your perspectives are as simpleton as you are. You're missing the point, as usual, and calling foul on something that was not publicly known when I posted.
While the Raiders were not driving the car, perhaps they could have been more involved in mentoring Ruggs.
As I said, Raiders are a multi-billion dollar organization which enriches kids coming out of college, making them instant millionaires! The Raiders historically have engaged in mentoring programs to help guide athletes personal decisions off the field. Willie Brown was an important part of that program for decades.
Raiders made a huge investment in Ruggs, using a #1 draft pick and spending millions. It behooves them to protect their investment. No?
Worse, Raiders recently moved to Vegas, Sin City, making it even more obvious and critically important to educate its young players. They can't expect that type of leadership to only come from vet players who know to avoid this type of stupidity.
Clearly, the Raiders have washed their hands of the matter. But they are left without a #1 draft pick and without their #1 WR. If the Raiders plan an investigation, maybe that's a good place to start. (Mark Davis can put the same investigators on this matter who just finished investigating why four top executives quit last summer.)
NY
I have read mutiple articles from various journalists and dozens of comments from Raider fans you are the singular and only one I have come across who finds fault with the team.
Only a miserable cretin like yourself would use the death of a person to hate and lay blame on the Raiders. It had nothing to do with the team it could happen to any team any company the blame is on Ruggs. I know you are not stupid so even though the raiders do have a well established mentorship program for their players and a good support system you honestly can not expect them to police their employees 24-7.
I always have thought you are a Chiefs fan here to troll but I was mistaken you are just a really unhappy person.
Sandy
Wow! That's a shameful post and you know it. I never diminished the seriousness of the accident nor the tragic loss of life. Your miserable retort turned diatribe clearly proves I hit a nerve.
For the 4th or 5th time, I only asked the question if the Raiders have a role and/or responsibility to protect their $200 million roster investment. It's based on this incident but goes well beyond Ruggs. At what point does their role and the players actions overlap? We might find out in the coming weeks.
For now, a simple disagreement would have sufficed.
I have a personal question: Why do you get so emotional over my posts that you feel the need to spin them to make me look bad? Life is too short. Take stock in yourself, man.
Cheers!
A woman got burned alive and you're looking to hold the Raiders accountable, you're a sick man. That is not spin you dishonest prick.
Also your retorts remind me of grade school as in "I know you are but what am I."
You are the only one on the blog acting this way everybody knows it no one defends you or your miserable points of view.
Sandy
Desean Jackson has cleared waivers and is a free agent. I think he would fill the role nicely with Ruggs out of the picture now. Zay Jones is going to step up, and no one on the team has more connection at the WR spot than Waller, Renfrow, and ZJ. While I am excited for Zay to get his opportunity to shine, what we've learned from previous games is he has trouble getting off and creating space between he and the DB, other than speed. Ruggs had to overcome the same, and clearly was doing so this season. Desean Jackson can come in and show the younger WRs how to do this.
Also, Odell Beckham Jr is being released from the Browns today. Teams will let him clear waivers to re-negotiate his salary; which is why he wasn't traded. A lot of people want to see OBJ on the Raiders, but I think Desean Jackson is a better fit for the Raiders scheme, and we don't need the OBJ drama.
While I am still devastated over the crash and loss of life, make no mistake the Raiders did the right thing. They made a decision based on the information they received, and made it before it was released to the public. The entire organization has focused on both the victims' family and Ruggs' mental health and his family; and are doing right by both. Every detail of this may not be read in the news, but it is widely known that several of the Raiders players and front-office brass has reached out to both parties, and are helping out in an unknown way. That is what I define as a winning organization. This is bigger than the game.
Sandy,
Strawman to the end. Your posts speak for themselves.
Here's another one. Arnette is being sued for a crash he may have caused in Oct. which he was cited by the police.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10017292-raiders-damon-arnette-being-sued-after-allegedly-injuring-woman-in-october-car-crash
Thanks Nate, glad to see we share the same point of view and regard what happened for what it is, a terrible tragedy and loss of life. Most people see it that way but we unfortunetly we have one grumpy silly old man on the blog named NY who jumps all over it for his own hateful purposes. The world needs more love and positivity its good to see some on this blog.
I too agree with you on DeSean Jackson. I think it is the safer signing rather than OBJ who besides being a little bit of a disruptive personality seems far from displaying his old skill set. Zay will not be as impactful as Ruggs was both in terms of playmaking and drawing saftey attention he was the 4th WR but he is serviceable.
Sandy
To Anonymous- I'm Al fan Anonymous So I want NY and Nate to know I didn't say that about them.
To Anonymous,
I think the Raiders did the right thing but I think they moved too fast!!!IF you're saying "investigation" then at least pretend to do it!
The Raiders HAD an image/ system where they showed loyalty to their family. Now, in this case they could show it after releasing Ruggs III but just waiting a few more days/ a week(before releasing him) or explaining to the public(the reason(s)) would've made Raiders look loyal.
The fact is the Raiders aren't very loyal anymore. They've joined the owners/ NFL in treating players like cheap labor.
Now, I'm moving on from Ruggs III if you haven't figured that out, It's not just about him- It's about the wat businesses SOMETIMES treat their employees, Raidernation's brushing off Al, NFL/ owners' attitudes and how Al's history could help the NFL!
Al had a plan for players/ retired players but the new NFL didn't like it!
After years of media attacks maybe you just listened when media claimed Al didn't handle business side of football right.
Al and NFLPA boss Upshaw may've worked together to get players their BENEFITS and salaries. Al fought the CBA and other things, he wanted rights for owners and players.
Al was trying to get NFL to pay for a retirement home for ex-players
Wow! the media told us that owners were being forced to break the bank by greedy players; they felt big contracts weren't necessary to win.
Where would you get the idea these guys are overpaid? So, you don't think living with injuries and CTE isn't enough? Wow! what a bunch of suckers!
Dude...they have to pay taxes, house notes and medical bills! The owners didn't want guaranteed contracts or pay EXTRA benefits. They hated both men.
Upshaw passed away in '08 and Raiders could't make playoffs for 9 years('03-'11)- in a PARITY system? Yea, it was- bad decisions, dysfunction, ugly stadium, poor(broke) team.
If broke, crazy Al didn't mind giving SOME guaranteed contracts why would billionaires mind? They usually bring other billionaire(s) or a corporation as partners and they get T.V./ city money but they don't want to pay the players. They've shown they can add fancy media entertainment and stadiums but can't run a league. They come up with ways to make more money but sports media says teams don't have to overpay to win; that some win using systems, average talent, a few stars with good coaching(like Bellichek). You don't let stars get you to spend big. If they won't play for smaller contracts you don't need them- good coaching and a system can win too. Stars take less or sit out because with good GM-managing players again, paying stars isn't necessary! The owners save money stars HAVE TO play for less and the rest? Be happy and play hard its' decent pay but its' less pay. Be happy for your money but NFL/ owners will make the big money. But you want these guys to go out and play football and win!!!
The family of the woman needs prayers and Henry Ruggs III needs some prayers, some advice for his money, counseling and fair opinion/ support/ investigation without judgment.
Sandy said, "The world needs more love and positivity its good to see some on this blog."
If that were only true, your posts would be more polite, and not spinning my words to serve your rants.
Anon, I appreciate you separating yourself from this. There's no reason we can't disagree on some matters and still engage in polite discourse.
I have more to say about this but it will have to wait.
Cheers!
Raiders and NY Giants have had some great players! They both have had long winning seasons and lots of star players. They didn't play each other a lot but there were some games that had big plays in them! Here are some of their best players:
L.T. (L. Taylor)/ HOF
M. Strahan/ HOF
J. Pierre Paul/
G. Martin
J. Sally
R. Grier
L. Marshall
J. Burt
H. Long
D. Burgess
A. Smith
K. Mack
B. Pickell
C. McGlocktin
J. Matuzak
R. Kinlaw
L.T.
P. Johnson
G. Reasons
S. Huff
H. Carson
M. Millen
R. Martin
D. Connors
T. Hendricks
B. Rominowski
M. Haynes
L. Hayes
R. Woodsen
W. Brown
V. McElroy
Mark Haynes
P. Sparks
J. Seahorn
T. Kinard
E. Tunnell
M. Allen
B. Jackson
C. Daniels
O.J. Anderson
Tiki Barber
F. Gifford
K. Stabler
R. Gannon
D. Lamonica
E. Manning
P. Sims
Y.A. Title
A. Toomer
O. Beckham
H. Jones
D. Shofner
C. Branch
T. Brown
J. Rice
F. Biletnikoff
M. Bavaro
J. Shockey
B. Tucker
D. Casper
D. Waller
B. Cannon
J. Elliot
R. Brown
M. Hein
S. O' Hara
J. Stroud
A. Shell
H. Lawrence
G. Buhler
D. Mosbar
R. Mix
D. Jennings (punter)
S. Lechler (punter)
G. Blanda (pK)
R. Allegre (pk)
D. Meggett (pr)
I. Matthews (pr)
D. Meggett (kr)
J. Ford (kr)
Investigate wtf, the man was driving a hundred and fifty-seven miles per hour drunk with a loaded handgun rear-ended a car caused a woman to be burned to death and you want an investigation. When you do those things you lose your job end of story anyone who does that we don't want on the Raiders. But hey maybe this opens up a roster spot for Jacoby Ford LOL you're a genius
That's disingenuous to the timeline.
Ruggs was arrested (I was informed by a text from a friend). Sometime after, Raiders posted on their official website they would conduct an internal investigation. Soon after the Raiders post, which at a minimum implied some level of detail would be forthcoming, Ruggs was cut.
It wasn't until after all the above happened that we learned publicly that Ruggs was driving at incredibly high speed and caused the tragic crash.
So please stop preaching that we knew the whole story when clearly we did not.
Now we are finding out that Arnette may have been charged or may be facing criminal action against him for driving recklessly and/or leaving the scene of an accident. Also, something about threats involving a gun. I don't know the exact details but indications are the Raiders may also cut Arnette.
WOW! Two first round draft picks... FROM THE SAME DRAFT!
Raiders clearly have a problem... no matter how you choose to define that problem.
What point are you trying to make? The Raiders were in possession of information before the public. When they cut him they knew he was driving 157, that he was drunk and his actions had gruesomely killed an innocent young woman who burnt to death. What else needs to be investigated and found out before determining this guy can't be a part of the team. Are you advocating somehow that those facts don't want him being cut?
Not at all. For some reason I was being held accountable (in earlier posts) to know what the Raiders knew, when they knew it. Even suggesting the so-called investigated ended quickly somehow makes me evil. I had no idea Ruggs was driving 157 mph. That's insane.
The truth is, the Raiders were not as good a judge of character as they thought they were, losing one and potentially two first round draft picks from the same draft due to conduct disasters in the span of one week.
The Raiders moved to Vegas and drafted these guys. This brings into question their due diligence in recruiting and drafting as well as their personnel policies and mentoring, particularly, with the challenges of employing 20-something year-old instant millionaires living in Vegas.
Whether fans like it or not, the Raiders own it. Losing these two players this way could potentially cost someone, maybe even Mike Mayock, his job.
Good news today is that the Raiders enter the game healthy.
Giants, on the other hand, are without Barkley and Shepherd, and possibly several other players. Galladay is injured and another WR is out.
That said, either the Giants played their asses off (above their pay grade) last week, or the Chiefs are still in the middle of a serious meltdown.
If it's the former, the Raiders could have their hands full today. Giants front four are for real, and they don't mind blitzing.
NY,
I hear you on Arnette his talent was in question when he was drafted and there were known concerns regardung his character. It was a terrible pick. Ruggs, there were no character concerns and his talent was developing nicely this year. You can not pin blame on the Raiders for what happened it could not have been forseen or prevented by them--that is what pissed me off about your comments.
Hopefully a win today can begin the healing and moving past it process.
Sandy
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