Chiefs Gamenight Thread
This is an important one. The division is tight, the Chargers lost today, the Chiefs are vulnerable. Time to make a move. GO RAIDERS!
posted by Raider Take at 5:29 PM
This is an important one. The division is tight, the Chargers lost today, the Chiefs are vulnerable. Time to make a move. GO RAIDERS!
posted by Raider Take at 5:29 PM
30 Comments:
Well we didn't play well but the season isn't over!
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Little boy shot on or near Oakland Freeway.
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* Yo money!
Demand that the billionaire Raiders lower that ticket prices. They/ NFL lied when they said new stadiums help teams spend on star FA's the Raiders REFUSE to sign them so why are you paying these prices?
The Raiders and Vegas should give Raidernation/ NFL fans discounts on hotels and stadium stores. Fans need to tell the Raiders.
Hey, where did our love go? What's up with the 'change' in attitude with the media? Wow! You mean we've become the rebels again? are we threatening to move? making a trade for a bigger, faster player or disobeying the league again? Well something is pissing the league off!
Instead of complaining lets have a media sucks day! Yea, lets ask the pro sports media questions and have a Raiders' protest on the web!!
Instead of worrying about the playoffs and Carr, Ruggs III lets look at things that are very important:
1. lets question GM Mayock about his drafts.
2. The Vegas scam putting a Pro-Bowl, Draft out in Vegas when we move there and not putting things that directly benefit the team and fan base. We want more events for Raidernation only and also the Raiders to step up and be more connected to the fan base.
3. To get some answers as to why the team REFUSES to try and win by not spending money? Fans need to have Raiders contact them about this. They lied when they said they will spend on FA's when they get a new stadium.
4. Instead of celebrating Vegas move and the season what about fans on the web celebrate:
Loyalty, mom & pop businesses, standing up for 'the game' not laundry(Raider Jersies) and the players(salaries, benefits).
5. Raidernation should ask for media meeting on the web to explain why the Raiders seem hardly able to operate? There are rumors that outsiders, corporations and NFL execs are tampering with Raiders and the media isn't looking into this. Fans need to ask are there some things in the Vegas project that the Raiders didn't know about, are trying to get a hold on on that is causing issues with the team?
Raiders win two games after Gruden resigns, then lose two games after cutting Ruggs. Go figure. Maybe there's no connection in either event.
For the Chiefs, there's nothing like playing the Raiders when they need a boost. The Chiefs out-scored, out-played and out-coached the Raiders, again.
Lots of embarrassing moments for the Raiders, not the least of which include: pre-snap penalties at a home game; DeSean Jackson fumbling on his first big catch in Black & Silver (as he calls it); Chiefs special teams schooling the Raiders on a fake punt while already way ahead; and Derek Carr throwing multiple ducks straight up in the air like he was launching weather balloons.
There were so many more. How many times did Kelche engage Crosby at the line then break off for a short pass? Chiefs did that play over and over, and the Raiders had no defense for it.
The Raiders were playing soft zone and giving the Mahomes everything underneath. And for weeks the Raiders have done nothing to correct breakdowns with uncovered backs and receivers in the flat. The Giants took advantage of the same issues last week.
Looks like teams broken the code on Bradley's defense and he doesn't have a solution.
And so much for relying on the run game. That's moot. Raiders only chance with their O-line rests with Carr, who has been horrible the past two weeks. It's not good.
That was perhaps one of the ugliest games the Raiders have played in their 18-year demise.
Raiders are well on their way to blowing another promising start to the season. If that happens, expect another total blow-up of the team.
Al Davis said, "Just win baby".
But before he said it, he stated, "First you get great players. Then you get great coaches. Then you tell them one thing...Just win baby!"
Have to wonder at this point, do Raiders have great players ? Great coaches ?
Always seems like Raiders do a November/December nose dive...hope I'm wrong, but so far...
It kinda felt like the Raiders are the Raiders, the Chiefs are the Chiefs, the sun will rise in the east and set in the west.
Anon, you kind thoughts about those in need or who are suffering bring some nice perspective on a gloomy morning for Raiders fans.
The offense has stalled out once again. The one consistency in this is Greg Olson. He did not have a good first go 'round with the Raiders, and so far, not a great second one. Defense couldn't get off the field, and the offense couldn't stay on the field. We have to get out of this slump, and swing it the other way. They need to let Carr run the offense again. We all know what he is capable of. The game changed when Desean Jackson fumbled the ball after a HUGE bomb, the wheels came off there. Too many offensives stalls against a weak KC defense. That is poor coaching/play-calling.
I disagree the Chiefs defense is weak. The Chiefs just traded for Melvin Ingram a week ago and he made a big impact last night. Regardless, the Raiders were outplayed and grossly outcoached. Not sure one play in the game changed that. The lopsided loss was way more than a momentum thing in the game, IMO.
The Chiefs called a perfect game to beat the Raiders, and the Raiders appeared absolutely helpless to do anything to stop them. Ugly just scratches the surface. If you dissect the game, incompetent is more accurate. All phases were embarrassed by the Chiefs. It was Bisaccia's ST group that got burned on the fake punt, and they blocked a punt by the Raiders.
Why didn't Desean Jackson just keep running forward?
To me, Jackson appeared surprised the ball was right there for him when he turned to look for it. It was a well-timed and well-thrown ball... unlike the ducks of desperation Carr threw later in the game. Jackson got turned around like a ragdoll after the catch.
Tough to discount that as a turning point, but other events in the game clearly favored the Chiefs. Kelche shedding his blocks on Crosby and catching pass after pass was ridiculous. The Chiefs ability to disguise and stack their blitzes on one side of the Raiders line - and the Raiders inability to counter that - also ridiculous.
It was painful to watch, especially, once the Chiefs sealed the game and were all smiles on the sideline... starting early in the 3rd qtr.
The Raiders undoing in last nights game and in all four losses is the play of the oline. Could not get the running gmae going and Carr did not have a clean pocket.
Mahommes played brilliantly and took what he was given underneath no defense could have stopped him last night.
Sandy
We need to protest the Raiders' system?
I know we can't change their minds but we can let them know we aren't happy with their bad fraud actions.
What do I mean?
We spend millions to watch the Raiders or pay for NFL Network to watch NFL games.
So What do I mean? That isn't something we could get any legal claim over they'd just ignore fans complaining about that.
But then THEY said- We want to build stadiums because it'll make teams better and wealthier and they'll then be able to sign star free agents. Fans will really get the NFL special treatment with all kinds of fun and stores in or near the new stadiums.
Well, the Raiders got their new stadium they
But they are not making the team better through free agency. They aren't spending on free agents or trading for stars and paying them. It was media that said the REASON Raiders slump was overspending. It's strange that Al voted against the CBA, Gene Upshaw wanted higher salaries for the players and Raiders suddenly STOPPED winning for 9 years.
When Reggie was hired (?) he said Raiders wouldn't overspend on players and the cap would get fixed.
1. If the fans spend the team should spend to win.
2. The NFL said teams with new stadiums are wealthier and CAN spend on star players.
3. Vegas is charging too much for games and the Raiders aren't showing much de
4. The NFL is tampering in the Raiders' team and huge corporations
Fans don't seem to understand Al did what he wanted to do but was committed to winning/ Raidernation.
The people with some control over Raiders DON'T CARE about winning. It was about Vegas and what they can get out of it- MONEY, RATINGS, TOURISM and SPONSORSHIP-, not the Raiders!
Just because the colors and logo are the
same doesn't mean they are committed to winning!
* Fans can protest and the NFL's new stadium system is what they can use to send complain to Raiders!
1. Start spending on star free agents not UDFA and 30+ guys.
2. Lower some of the seat prices. Its' outrageous to be so cheap and slow to build a good team then expect fans to spend on you.
3. Start more media meetings with the fan base/ public to show more bond with Raidernation.
I don't think the Raiders are really upset about losing- they're making money. I mean the staff probably wants and knows they were hired to win but outsiders control some of this team and they don't want an Al system and maybe just hate the team; But this team needs to try to win more.
Carr has played for five different head coaches in eight years. I don't think he wants to go through another complete turnover of the coaching staff. That has to take a toll. Yet the Raiders appear to still lack the elements to truly improve. Very frustrating!
It shouldn't provide any consolation to the Raiders that the Rams, with newly signed OBJ, did a faceplant last night.
Strange season so far, when you consider blowouts of good teams like the Rams, Packers, Cowboys, Browns, Ravens, Bucs, Cardinals, etc., and many of those lopsided games were just this week.
Yeah, someone who doesn't know football well asked me who the dominant team is this year, said there's got to be one or two. After this weekend, I just shrugged my shoulders.
Anon, I do think some of your points about a mindset of "profits / glitz > winning" could be at the heart of some of the team's troubles.
I just watched the replay of Jackson's catch and fumble, and retract my earlier suggestion that he unavoidably got turned around. When Jackson caught the ball the defender was almost 10 yards from him and it was all green to the end zone.
Apparently, Jackson has a long history of stupid plays.
Here's one from Jackson's bonehead highlights.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBrxSI58JoU
Here are 3 more gems:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5s8F2u8LUE
Raiders can't catch a break, no matter what.
Hah, yeah, I think if he just kept running in the direction of his original momentum he was long gone for a TD.
If you have time, check out the links I posted for Desean Jackson. He has a history of hotdogging that's cost his teams TDs in the past... and he's never learned from it. It's pretty extreme.
Raiders appear to be just the latest beneficiary.
I am beginning to question whether or not Mark Davis has a heart for this team, other than the fact that his dad owned them, and he has always been a part of the Raiders family. I don't think he has one desire to own this team, or understand it. I think, like anon, that his formula is money/glitz > winning.
With that said, he has a mountain to climb this offseason if this organization is going to move forward, otherwise it will be more cash strapped than it was in Oakland. First, he has to hire a competent team President. This is not to say that Marc Badain was incompetent, by no means. But Marc B was focused on proposing 5 stadiums to Oakland/Alameda to keep the Raiders in Oakland, but all 5 were rejected; while simultaneously looking at other options (Portland, Vegas, San Antonio). Mark Davis, by the way, owns a lot of land in the San Antonio area, because of the advice and council of Marc Badain. I thought the removal of Amy Trask as President was a mistake, and I think that should be the first person Mark Davis should reach out to if he has any desire to win. With Amy's current knowledge of the Big 3 Basketball League that she and Ice Cube started; she could also help with the WNBA team that Mark bought.
Next, the President and Mark have to find a competent CFO who knows the ins-and-outs of taxation; to where the team is not overpaying in taxes. Then from there, they all have to reset the Organization's Front Office, all the way down to ticket sales.
I think the next move Davis has to decide on is whether or not he will keep Mayock as GM. I think he should, Mayock has been a decent dude; and there is no one with more credibility or integrity that would be willing to be the GM of the Raiders right now with how the organization is. Let Mayock bring in the next Head Coach, let him work with a Head Coach that will build a winner together. I think Mayock has the potential to be a great GM. He has been solid in Free Agent signings, the draft is a crap-shoot; and there is not a proven system with the draft. In fact, the majority of the players you draft don't pan out. Most players that pan out historically in the draft are O-line, LB, DE, and RB. The rest are mostly crap-shoots.
The fourth is the Head Coach. Again, this is where I believe Mayock will further show his worth. We need a good Head Coach, and let the Head Coach bring in some of his guys. I say keep Bradley as DC; but we do need a strong Offensive Coordinator (maybe a reunion with Bill Musgrave?). There are position coaches that need to be replaced as well. How long has it been since the Raiders had an excellent Strength and Conditioning Coach? I don't think Edgar Bennett or Nick Holz are good WR's coaches, as that has been an area of consistent struggle. I don't think Richard Smith is a good Linebackers Coach either.
The fifth has to do with the team. Where do we need help? What cap-space do we have? Do we have the coaches that can develop young players (currently the answer to that is no), or do we need to fill the holes with experience? Is Derek Carr the guy who can lead us to where we want to be after 8 seasons? Is our offensive line performing to expectations? What about our defense? What about our depth?
Bottom line, when the President and 3 other key Front Office people resigned; I kind of feel like Mark is in over his head. I wonder if there is any pressure from the League for him to sell the team? This is where he needs to become more like his dad, and resist. Show the League that he is interested in the team and winning. If he is about the money and glitz, then sell the team; he will make enough to care for himself and his mom. But it is time that he shows what kind of passion he has for the Raiders. I hope it is the attitude of his dad, and he brings in great players and great coaches, so that the Raiders can JUST WIN, BABY!
Nate your rambling email is largely incoherent. Cash strapped? The Raiders have never being stronger financially thanks to Mark. What he's done and getting the Raiders new stadium is nothing short of brilliant.
Mayock is mediocre at best. He needs to bring in a strong man on the football side to lead the organization he tried doing that with Gruden but through no fault of his own that didn't end well. My vote is for David Shaw he has class Raider connections and is a good coach.
Sandy
By putting the Raiders near or in front of the gaming industry they try to look less involved with the gambling industry. Yea, they work with them but its' nothing more than a small business relationship- We just happen to have a team playing in Vegas!
* Fans feel the Raiders needed a new stadium but look at what you left behind in Oakland/ L.A.!:
1. The sun and fresh air.
2. Tailgating (the NFL really doesn't want fans tailgating in the parking lots anymore) and hanging out in the parking lots.
3. The "Black Hole"
* Raiders don't have to win to make the NFL richer. The move to Vegas will bring people to Vegas just because all the NFL events and of course opponents fan bases come. The city, casinos, hotels and retail districts will get paid.
The NFL wants to have the draft and pro bowl in Vegas. Look at all the places except maybe L.A. and look at Vegas' fun areas. Wow! they'll be so much to do!
But that's what Oakland/ L.A. had that they don't- passion for football not whose stadium is better or how much fun you can have other than watching the game.
Think they won't try to have NFL events and entertainment(shows, draft, pro bowl) almost every year in Vegas?
They can make money without a winning Raiders team!
Wow! Raidernaion, what a con game!
* Al's ideas for a stadium and revenue:
Get your OWN deal
think of the fans/ players
not just about money but loyalty
Either own your new stadium or some of it. And share in the revenue with the coliseum authority if there is one.
Just Win, Baby!
* NFL ideas for stadiums and revenue:
Mo' money, Mo' money, less taxes,
get that new stadium! and get that public money!
Get some investors(a corporation or billionaire) to make team(s) more valuable.
teams have to share revenue, so teams- make deals with businesses/ corporations.
don't just cater to passionate fans try to get tourists to go to games or buy NFL merchandise when visiting NFL cities.
* What you have and what you let go of:
1. A modern, new, awesome stadium.
2. One of the biggest tourist cities in the world.
3. A retail district inside or near the stadium. With fan fun areas too.
4. Fancy hotels, Spas and Resorts.
5. Lots of places to go and something to do in the city.
What you let go of:
1. A legendary sports complex where all 3 teams have won at least 1 Championship.
2. great transportation(parking, bike, walking, Bus, Train and Electric Train).
3. decent to very good weather.
4. A team basically connected to the Oakland/ L.A. communities.
5. Sports bars and restaurants that were filled with fans on game days.
* This is what the changes from Al's era and moving to Las Vegas has done to the Raiders:
A pro team playing in the gambling, rare shows and tourist fun spots, and gambling entertainment capital of America(world?)! That's not something the NFL really wants to be in association with but they wanted that Vegas money.
Reputation for commitment to Excellence(game of football) getting shady.
Corporate attitude replacing the Mom & Pop attitude of the team.
Habit of being cheap and not spending on high priced star players yet, making millions off their new stadium.
A long tradition of having outstanding players now, a team that builds off guys from the waiver wire and practice squads.
Once the rebels of the NFL- allowing the league to move them to L.V., firing ALL Al's front office people, Allegedly allowing other owners to have too much say in team decisions, cooperating with the NFL's game plan, not questioning things like player rights/ NFLPA or CBA.
IMO, there's no question Mayock has some chops, but there has to be some concern as to what involvement he had with some the Raiders questionable and overreaching draft picks. If Gruden had 51% vote, as he is quoted, that pretty much gives everyone else a pass... for now. To Mayock's credit, they've recently done better in free agency.
I don't think Davis is strapped. Didn't he just buy a women's pro basketball team? It's more like he's throwing money around. WRT the Raiders finances, they will have ample cap space in 2022... and presumably competent folks in place to manage it.
And I don't see the Raiders having any problems filling their stadium. After all, it's Vegas! The problem the Raiders face is, if they don't play well, the stadium will be filled with fans of their opponents. That's already proven to be an issue.
Sandy,
Never said they were cash strapped. I said they were in need of a CFO who understood taxation, and wouldn't overpay on taxes. Mark said recently that was the reason the 4 who exited were shown the door. Nowhere did I mention anything remotely close to them being cash strapped.
The only other thing I said with regards to money was if he was being pressured from the League to sell. My bottom line point was that Mark Davis is going to have to show the fan base how much he cares about the organization winning by how he handles these 5 areas. Bring in great organizational leaders, great coaches, and great players and just win, baby!
Sorry Nate I saw this "otherwise it will be more cash strapped than it was in Oakland". and assumed you were thinking the Raiders had or were going to have money problems. That is not happening now that they have a stadium and the tv money. Raiders are flush. They also have a ton of cap room next year so they better bring in Goodwin or Adams
Sandy
Caring about winning and incompetence are not mutually exclusive. MD can love the Raiders and still fail.
Among the 41 quarterbacks who have started at least three seasons over the past decade (2012-21), #Raiders QB Derek Carr ranks last in average combined expected points added (EPA) from his team's defense and special teams, per
@SandoNFL
Carr is not the problem.
Sandy
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I meant that if he continued down the path of hiring incompetent people in the front office of the organization, he will head down the path of being cash strapped like it was in Oakland. They will "flush" those monies down the toilet.
If he wants to avoid that, and prove to the fan base that he is serious about winning, then he needs to hit it out of the park in these five areas this offseason, starting with the front office. We will see what he does.
Hope everyone has a great weekend, and Thanksgiving, in case I'm not able to get on here before then. I will be traveling this week, but not to Dallas as I hoped. :(
JUST WIN, BABY!
In terms of team finances, with the exception of the period following AL's passing - which AL was shooting for the moon, followed by McKenzie's cap cleanup on isle 5 - the Raiders have not had any serious cap issues that I can remember. The Raiders have gone to great lengths to resist re-signing their own free agents whose market value goes up. Since Al, the Raiders have mostly gravitated toward low-cost free agents, with a few exceptions that did not break the bank. Moreover, all teams (and vet players) have benefitted from salary structuring on rookie contracts (no more JaMarcus Russell money).
On a final note, the league's salary cap is going way up in 2022.
Honestly, I don't know who works in the front office, but sports attorneys and bean counters are a dime a dozen. They are not responsible for finding and signing players. That falls on Mayock. It's his competence that we should be concerned about. Or maybe the whole thing gets blown up again and we start all over with another GM.
David Shaw, this is the man who can bring stability and respectability on the field to the Raiders
Sandy
David Shaw
Why aren't the Raiders respectable now?
Why didn't they keep the stability that they promised after firing ALL of Al's employees?
Coach Del Rio
1. Fires him after he lead them to the playoffs.
2. Didn't give him much help from free agency yet
3. One of the reasons he was hired was because he was a Raiders' fan and looked like a Raider(they also hired him because he was a good DC).
D. Allen
1. Reggie probably didn't even know about him but hired him b
2. Instead of bringing him in as an assistant to Hue they fire Hue and
3. He was the HC during the break down and was judged as a loser because he couldn't lead them to the playoffs?
Jon Gruden
1. Everything is going to change now! Jon/ Mayock will get this team going!
2. He wasn't giving full control to do what he wanted 51% what did Mayock know about football to get 49% of the front office?
3. He ruined his career with alleged offensive comments on his e-mails. But why in the 1st part of the season? Now, he's the terrible coach and racist. He was wrong and deserved punishment for his e-mails but why not deal with it after the regular season?
How does the NFL look good leaking e-mail during the investigation of another team?
Gruden was to blame for the mediocre-o.k. drafts and terrible play calling? He wasn't really that good of a coach(Oakland/ TB)?
We made a mistake and except for genius Mayock- Gruden made bad decisions!
Wow! You threw Del Rio under the bus for a guy that will return us to Glory so you could see him try to remake and fix the Raiders and deal with NFL/ owners so you could throw him under the bus a few years later.
I'm not desiring another coaching change just yet. I'm still rooting for Bisaccia to be coach of the year.
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