Chargers Gameday Thread
Alright, it's time to move on and look AHEAD to the 2022 season.
Much to be excited about. New regime, new superstar receiver, great core of returning skill players, and a defense that needs to hold the line. Give Derek Carr time to throw and let's see what happens.
It's a gauntlet of games to start the season, starting off 1-0 today would be more significant than a simple notch in the win column amid a 17-game season. Unfortunately, the reverse is also true.
Can't afford to drop a lot of intra-division contests this year. Taking one on the road to start off the McDaniels era would feel kinda epic. Losing wouldn't be the end of the world, but it would be a bit of a gut punch.
The way the schedule is set up, and considering how tough the AFC West has become, this season feels sort of like a sprint AND a marathon.
All we can say right now is GO RAIDERS!
posted by Raider Take at 8:46 AM
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IMO, Justin Herbert is the scariest QB in the division. He's entering his third season and the Charges should be a well-oiled machine by now... supercharged by additions like Khalil Mack. Frig! Right?
The Raiders are underdogs for a reason. This is their first game under a new regime with all new coaches, new scheme and 60% turnover of the roster in one year. That's daunting, to say the least.
Yet I can't help but feel like the Raiders are about to turn a corner, one that leads to the kind of success that most of us have been waiting for 20 years. Whatever the reason, that's a welcome feeling.
I believe the Raiders are ready for the challenge. I'm all-in with McDaniels and company. Truly, there is no reason to look back. "The greatness of the Raiders is in its future" (Al Davis).
GO RAIDERS!
not very impressive 1st half. I noticed the rookies were inactive, that takes 10% off your 60%. Where is the amazing play calling? Gruden's O looked better than what this one is looking like, is that right mr NY genius? Where are all the new players that the new regime brought in? They aren't contributing and Carr looks frustrated already. Better get your spinning shoes on NY, gonna take a lot of spinning from you to make yourself out to be the genius, by the looks of it.
What a stupid post. Love your patience. Gruden gets 4 years. McDaniels gets 1 game, a road game against a division powerhouse.
Here's my spin for you. If Gruden hadn't traded Mack, he would have been making those plays for the Raiders today.
Raiders defense had several key stops including in or around the red zone (a huge improvement from last year) that kept the game alive and gave Derek Carr two opportunities to drive the field for a go ahead score at the end of the game. But Carr was not himself today, throwing short, behind his receivers and into double coverages. He's usually money in 2-minute offense but he was 0-3 today (including to end the first half).
Not the first time Carr has started the season poorly.
But you go right ahead and blame me. That's rich.
4 offensive line combinations in one game. When you got to use four it means you don't even have one. Hopefully this doesn't become the story of the season. Sandy
Btw, funny that you would even suggest that the "new players" didn't contribute. That's false on its face. Davante Adams had 10 catches for 140 yards and a TD, and Bolden caught a TD pass from Carr. Those were the only Raiders TDs.
Parham apparently supplanted cotton Jr and did an admirable job in the process. Leatherwood is thankfully a Bear and Munford actually took some snaps at RT.
Billings was money against the run, Bhlil made a big stop and others were right out there playing hard.
You guys are gonna have to help me out because I was only able to see the last seven minutes, but I'll say that our o-line really let us down on that last drive. Maybe Carr could have handled it better but our line was getting mauled there at the most crucial time. Not good. As for the rest of it, three picks doesn't sound good, but I haven't seen them yet. Nice that they made it a game on the road against a pretty formidable foe, but a disappointing result in the end.
What is stupid is, you telling me how different the O will be, how it will be so much better than Gruden's lousy O before they had even played a game.
Carr's footwork was horrible, he was throwing the ball with his feet not set. His pocket presence looked as bad as I have ever seen it.
You told us the play action would be better, the screens would open it all up. Could go on for hours about the super predictions you made and saw no sign of it today.
Not playing the 1sts in preseason looks to have been a mistake, they weren't ready to start the game, they were not prepared well, that is a concern already.
Just the 1st game, would like to see a more polished O and a better game plan and better play calling. Need a better pass rush and to be more aggressive on D.
Hopefully the team will improve as time rolls on, there was some good stuff, but mostly bad. Lots of work to do, hope McDaniels has the chops to see it through.
Take, Carr had a rough game, he was holding on to the ball too long. He is a vet and he knows he has a certain amount of time, but he was off with that today. His footwork was not good either, don't see many QB's who can get away with that all game long. The O-line was below avg and Carr was mostly fixated on Adams.
Was expecting the play calling to be more spread out and more runs. So many pass plays, they started to give the ball to Jacobs and he was doing well, then they went all passing again. That puts a ton of pressure on the O-line because the D knows they are pass happy. Play calling was suspect.
D was getting rolled in the 1st half, they played better in the 2nd. Pass rush wasn't there, blitzes were ineffective, hopefully the D will play more like the 2nd half than the 1st. Lot's of work to do.
Hey, you painted a great picture, thanks. I hate to say it, but we have the fourth best QB in the division. Defense needs to be more consistent and ferocious, what's new. It's not gonna be easy this year, but one game at a time right now. When are the Raiders ever going to get beyond "almost."
Anon, you need to chill. One game is not a body of work. It's an opportunity to capture film that coaches can examine and improve upon. If you listened to McDaniels' presser(s), he told us that the entire playbook would not be available. Also, the Chargers defense dictated much of what the Raiders were able to call on offense.
Take, the Raiders D only allowed 7 pts in the second half and twice put Carr in position for a potential walk-off win. CBs played well and Nichols and Billings were solid in the middle. Chargers were mostly able to contain Crosby and Jones.
The unusual culprit in the end was Kolton Miller who got abused by Khalil Mack. Mack had three sacks, including a strip sack.
Simple truth is, Carr was not himself. I understand why they don't play top starters in preseason but I don't agree with it. Carr and Miller both looked rusty, and both had a rough game. As a whole, the O-line held up better than I thought it would and opened some running lanes for Jacobs.
Carr may have tried too hard to get the ball to Adams. For example, if you watch the end zone INT intended for Adams, Renfrow was on an intermediate route and looked to be headed toward the sideline by himself. Raiders were moving the ball and Carr got greedy.
In the end, I expect the coaches to learn a lot from this game. It was an unfortunate loss that could have been avoided had Carr finished it the way we know he can. It's not an exact science.
I would have loved to have seen what the Raiders could have done had Carr not turned the ball over 4 times (3 INT's, 1 Fumble). The game was ours to win.
Sadly, the O-Line did not play good. No run block support (the easiest block), and pressure, pressure, pressure in the pass. Jacobs turned it on at the end of the game, but by then, we were playing catch up and was mostly in pass mode all game. Sandy, I agree, it did not benefit Carr today to have him sit the entire preseason. His internal game clock was off.
It is just one game, thankfully; but going to need to figure out the O-Line. Defense got plenty of pressure on Herbert too, but the Chargers got away with an unbelievable amount of holding on Maxx and Chandler. First loss is up, now on to the Cardinals, hopefully for the first "W". Just Win, BABY!
Carr said after the game that he pressed too hard and tried to do too much. That's exactly what we saw.
The O-line is a work-in-progress. I agree the Raiders were remiss to neglect a veteran solution at RT but they obviously believe they can piece the line together with what they have. That may take time as they gel. Folks complaining about it right now previously gave the Raiders line all of last year to gel. Meanwhile, pre-snap penalties and holding calls were way down. That's a huge improvement.
FYI, James got a concussion on the last play.
Nate, I disagree the Raiders D got plenty of pressure on Herbert. I think the Raiders had zero sacks and only one QB hit by Crosby (that I remember). A couple times Nichols game up the middle and Crosby flushed Herbert out of the pocket, but Herbert mostly had time and made throws.
Notwithstanding, the defense did its job and gave Carr multiple chances. Hobbs and Abrams were both at their best... Hobbs was particularly impressive in coverage and had 1-2 tackles for loss.
Yesterday's game was well within reach. I'm confident this team is going to get a lot better... sooner rather than later.
I was a little underwhelmed by the play calling not a great day for Josh McDaniels but I'll chalk it up to Growing Pains. The reverse to Devante Adams was insane and not going for it before halftime when they still had all their timeouts seemed a little weak. Sandy
I would like to know why there weren't some screens, some dbl TE sets to help the T's? Carr in shotgun almost every play, doesn't help an O-line that is struggling. Would like to see the play calling to spread the ball around more, to exploit what the D is doing, not to play call into what the D was doing. Use the running game more, again, that will help out a struggling O-line. The D did play better in the 2nd half, going to need a lot more from that unit as well.
That reverse was a horrible call. And the 2nd and 3 on the last drive and they called 3 pass plays. This when Jacobs was getting good yardage per carry at that point in the game and still plenty of time on the clock.
The reverse was a disaster! Stupid play in that game. Raiders were not desperate. They were moving the ball.
I am also scratching my head as to why more screens were not called. And why do the Raiders need to carry like six RBs if they only use two in a game?
I have questions too. Doesn't waiver my confidence but there are legit questions to be asked.
I do think Carr pressed too hard. He did not rely enough on his checkdowns. Renfrow was a non-factor but I saw him open in some plays.
PFF grades are out. Parham graded out as the Raiders best O-lineman yesterday. That doesn't speak well for anyone else... except maybe Munford who was a 7th rd pick.
Kolton Miller got torched by Mack. EJ outplayed Miller at the opposite tackle spot but Mack also schooled EJ in the game. Simpson graded below 60.
I'll say this again, Miller and Carr should have played pre-season snaps. Neither looked ready to play.
BTW, Joe Borrow, Aaron Rogers and Tom Brady all played bad yesterday. Bucs won on defense. Borrow took one on the chin, just like Carr. Both had INT fests.
Josh McDaniels' press conference today was underwhelming for me. He acknowledged that they will continue to sub in and out of the O-Line like he did yesterday; and that it is not as big a deal as people make it out to be. OK? If 6 sacks yesterday is not a big deal, then I cannot wait to see what is.
NY, I said the D had plenty of pressure, but San Diego got away with a lot of holding calls that prevented them from getting sacks. Not sure what in my statement you were disagreeing with.
Six guys were injured in yesterday's game, according to McDaniels. Andre James suffered a concussion, but was back with the team today being evaluated. Averett is out for surgery on his thumb. Trey'Von Moehring, DJ Turner, and Denzel Perryman left with ankle injuries and did not return. Bolden left with a hammy, and did not return.
Who would have thought we would miss Brandon Parker lol
Sandy
As the great John Madden once said, "Week one is over, now the season can start".
I wouldn't read too much, good or bad, into this game.
Nobody should miss Brandon Parker or Alex Leatherwood. The Raiders could tap into free agency and find far more capable linemen.
The Chargers had more than the Raiders could handle. Did that really surprise anyone? Mack and Bosa are arguably the two best edge rushers in the NFL, on the same team. Mack destroyed our best lineman (Miller), so do we need to replace Miller Too?
I've said many times, but nobody wants to hear, the Raiders won 6 walk-off games last year. Those are games that can go either way. They could have easily lost half those games. Another walk-off win opportunity was available on Sunday. It's unfortunate, but the simple truth is the Raiders are going to need time to build a better team, i.e., through coaching and personnel. They can't rely on walk-off wins every other week.
So why dont't they sign a FA RT. What is the excuse for not doing that, its negligence.
Sandy
PFF graded Kolton Miller lower at LT than EJ at RT. I wouldn't just assume we need a RT. Maybe we do, and maybe they are looking right now. But I wouldn't assume negligence. EJ apparently came from NE and they knew what they had. Aside from one sack he gave up to Mack, he had a decent game... at least that's what I read.
The Raiders O-line clearly needs time to gel. Why are folks so hypercritical of the new regime after one game?
But, they already replaced 60% of the roster. And they are miles ahead of the last regime. Supposed to be a better roster, according to you, supposed to be better coaching, so now you want to blow it up after 1 loss. It's hilarious to watch you try and cover all your bases. Back and forth you go, round and round. It's funny.
Because everyone in the world knows the o line sucks going back to last year and they did nothing to help it. Also what abotu the coaching if you know your oline sucks and you are facing MAck and Bosa you figure you would try to run the ball more than 13 times. Just bizzare coaching to go pass happy against Chargers tough rush. Jacobs was looking really good.
Sandy
EJ didn't have a decent game, he was pulled multiple times.
So you get your ideas from not watching the games, but by reading about it afterwords? Who told you the line needs to gel before the season started? And you blew that off and called the O-line garbage. But now, the new regime is supposed to get time for the line to gel.
You have been announcing all off season how much better the team will be without Gruden, so, you are being reminded.
Is there any sincerity in you at all? You seem like a trawler just looking for reactions, you can't really be this inconsistent if you were truly sincere, can you?
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Anon, your "gotcha" posts directed at me are ridiculous. Are you a Raiders fan? Because you seem very content bashing the Raiders and their new regime, even if you think it's just at my expense. Or is one game enough for you? That's all you need to see.
The answer to virtually every question that's being asked here is available in McDaniels' press conferences from 9/11 (post game) and 9/12 (next day). He explains what happened and what they will do to correct what they can, with more detail than most coaches provide.
Maybe that's a good starting point so we can all stop chasing out tails.
You can't tell if I am a Raider fan? I could ask the same of you, talking up other teams like Donkies and Bolts because they have Mack etc.
I am holding you to the fire and you don't like it, poor baby. You have been bashing Gruden for months while you talk up the new regime like it was the best ever and Gruden was garbage.
I don't care what a coach says, I care what happens on the field. What happened on Sunday was disappointing and to my eye, was not what I was hoping for.
Maybe the next game they will look more prepared, maybe not, the HC better get it moving in the right direction or else another season could go down the toilet. I don't want to see that, but you seem to be ok with it so they can start another rebuild, what Raider fan wants that?
The left side of the Offensive Line struggled more than the right side on Sunday, because of Mack. Bosa wasn't as effective as Khalil Mack; but Mack had something to prove too.
John Simpson did not have a good game, and neither did Kolton Miller, between the two of them they gave up 5 of the 6 sacks (Miller gave up 3). I'm not hitting the panic button yet. I do think they need to give some thought about John Simpson's role at LG. They also need to think about what happens if Andre James cannot play this Sunday.
As far as Defense goes, Darius Philon said it best on Twitter. The Raiders cannot rely on the DE's to get to the QB without a push up the middle. There was absolutely no push up the middle, even though Chandler and Mad Maxx obtained pressure. Pressure is nice, but getting a sack is the reward. There are blaring holes on both sides of the ball that have been problems for awhile. But I will say, the DB's did a great job. Averett was decent before he went out, and Nate Hobbs was phenomenal. Moving on from Game 1, on to Game 2. We have 16 more of these to right the ship, and I think we will. Just Win, BABY!
Kelechi Osemele is in Vegas visiting the Raiders.
He hasn't played since 2020 since he hurt both his knees.
Osemrle lol, this is pathetic. Sandy
The Raiders ranked defense 5th in pressure %, the problem was Herbert is a superstar who is unflappable. Adams was awesome, Jacobs looked really good. Carr made a couple of bad throws and I am not worried about Miller. The problem is the guards and RT it could doom the season. We all know Carr struggles with a rush in his face just like most QBs. The new regime should be embarrssed, even the most casual observer knew the line was a joke and they did nothing to improve it even with tons of cap space. Now they are bringing in washed up guys like Osemele and signing crap players like Billy Price.
Sandy
Nate, Mack played on both sides of the line. Maybe not equally, but I read that he recorded a sack on both sides.
Anon, we are all disappointed in the loss. IMO, however, it's much easier to point a finger at Carr than McDaniels, although, both deserve some of the blame.
Did anyone actually think the Chargers wouldn't get a sack? Or six? Kolton Miller was the biggest victim, so pointing a finger at others seems unfair, perhaps uninformed.
You think I jump all over the place with my opinion, but I've been very consistent.
My opinion of Gruden is that he underperformed in his four years with the Raiders. That was very unfortunate, but hard to deny, despite some improvement at the end.
My opinion of McDaniels is that he is sharp and ready to lead, but he's also unknown. I have said many times that expectations are high. He and Ziegler did not come here to lose.
If you can demonstrate that I waivered from these points, then I guess you can take a bow.
We all have many questions but that doesn't mean there are no answers. Did you take the time to watch McDaniels two press conferences on Raiders.com? You say you don't care what the coach says, but he's articulate and you would learn a lot about his philosophy and why the Raiders stuck with the 7 linemen they fielded on Sunday... as well as why they switched linemen.
I think the one taking this the hardest is Derek Carr. He was noticeably dejected in his presser. I agree with Raider Take that Carr is probably the 4th best QB in the division, but he's a fierce competitor with plenty of talent. I'll take that any day.
If you can find it in yourself, I think we are both on the same side. It's time to start rooting for our team.
Osemele has been out of football and is an unlikely signing but isn't that ironic how quickly the Raiders have come full circle. We spent three of the past four years transitioning to ZBS, which has failed the Raiders every time.
Raiders may need immediate help at guard because of James. Parham will likely backup at center if James can't play. That's my guess.
I'm a Raider fan, no need to worry about that, keep your eyes on yourself. You act as if you are the ultimate Raider fan, when your ideas come from reading someone else's opinions and not from watching the games. You are constantly redoing your takes because you are trying to smooth over your stupid comments. Then you talk down to others, like you are the expert of some kind. PFFFFFT.
NY, I can't believe you are calling out Anon as whether he is a fan. You are the ultimate troll and 90% of your posts are hateful or just trying to get someone going. You have had problems with the majority of people who write in.
Did you watch the game? I don't even think you did mr. Raider fan lol. Are you really trying to absolve management by pointing out Miller had a tough game lol in order to take the heat off the fact they are starting Eluemunor who got absoutley steam rolled by Mack and played horrendous compared to Miller. I watched the game and the two sacks Miller gave up where the last two plays of the game where Carr held the ball way too long and Chargers knew it was a passing situation.
I am not indicting the new regime or even drawing any conclusions except on what has taken place to date---which is a total neglect of the O line when it was obvious it was the weakest link and a criticaly important position. This can not be denied. Further if you watched the game given your comments in years past you would have been sorely dissapointed in the play calling which was unbalanced and led to even more protection problems. 13 rushes agains a fearsome edge tandem. This football 101 you have to run the ball?
Sandy
Wow, I thought my last two posts would help serve as off-ramps to get this nonsense behind us.
Sandy, here we go again. I don't form my opinions to suit your sensitivities. You and Anon are welcome to collapse my posts if they upset you so much.
You two Gruden apologists watched the Raiders be dismantled and slowly resuscitated over four years without flinching (and still defend it), but after one game with a new regime you stomp your feet and yell the sky is falling.
Aside from the obvious failures of the O-line thanks to Gruden, how do you know it's been neglected by the new regime? Were you at training camp? Do you go to practices and meetings? Do you know they haven't spoken to free agents or checked the waiver wire?
Reasonable explanations were provided by McDaniels in pressers. How either of you taken the time? Obviously, it's much easier to bash me. Sorry to inform you, I don't have any control over the Raiders roster or playcalling.
They put Eluemunor at RT. He graded higher than Miller in Week 1. That's not my opinion. Now we are finding out that Parham graded in the top of the league at guard in Week 1. James and Simpson are Gruden leftovers. They are reviewing free agency. So what, exactly, has been neglected?
Wrt to rushing, the Raiders were playing from behind the entire game. That happens. Again, one game is not a reasonable sample.
Honestly, you guys both look foolish with your emotional outbursts after one game.
Damn, you must be from the Biden administration, nothing is your fault and there is an excuse for everything.
Difference between Gruden and this regime, Gruden had to redo the entire roster, except for Carr. This regime comes in with a strong core and should be able to come in and continue what Gruden started. This is the reality of the situation no matter what your opinion is of the matter.
What we saw on Sunday was not an impressive 1st game with the new regime. The team didn't look ready, they didn't look polished and there was really no gameplan. The play calling was suspect and the inability to adapt to the Chargers were doing on D, is concerning.
Coaches can talk all day at pressers and sound really impressive, that's fine, but it's what happens on the field that counts.
Again, you blame Gruden for this roster and refuse to give credit for the obvious talent he brought in. But will continue to slag Gruden for parts of the roster, can't have it both ways.
You may not do the play calling, but you have been telling us it was going to be way above what Gruden was doing. I would say that so far, Gruden's O looked better.
Rushing, there was over 2 mins on the clock, down by 5, Raiders were getting good chunks of yardage on the ground with Jacobs. It becomes a 2nd and 3, what does McDaniels do? He calls 3 straight pass plays, 2 from shotgun and no RB. There were wtf moments during the whole game. Imagine if Gruden had done that? Imagine if Gruden had neglected the O-line if he was still HC this year? You would be screaming at this point, NY and you know it.
Honestly, you look foolish all the time.
How can we claim its neglected. Are you serious? How about the fact they have brought in one new player Pharnham. You can't blame Gruden for the offensive line he's not here anymore it is this year's regime that decided to roll with existing players. There were many free agents available who are good quality players and the Raiders had the cap space and did nothing. Sandy
"Gruden had to redo the entire roster..."
That's disingenuous, at a minimum. More like a flat lie. He didn't "need" to trade Mack or Cooper. He didn't "need" to dismantled a functioning O-line. He let Autry and others leave... etc. This has all been discussed and reviewed ad nauseum.
Listen, let's put Gruden behind us and define the two camps that clearly exist here regarding the new regime. You need to own your current position!
CAMP A - Resentful Gruden apologists who feel on some level that Ziegler and McDaniel have already failed the Raiders.
You and Sandy are both in that camp and clearly do not like what the Raiders have done, and/or are doing based on the bitching and moaning not just at the regime, i.e., a GM/HC team who have all of one whole game in the books, but at me for having the nerve to defend them having a larger body of work than one game.
Remarkable!
CAMP B - The camp which extends kudos to Mark Davis for having the balls to hire the upstart GM/HC tandem and remains cautiously optimistic that they will take the Raiders to the next level, and by no means hold one game over their head like the firing squad CAMP A has become.
Own it.
PS your political reference is hysterical... on many levels.
Once again, Mack wanted to be the highest paid and showed no signs of wanting to be a Raider. Mack has done very little since leaving the Raiders. Cooper wanted out, his play showed he didn't want to be a Raider. Remember his quote when he was traded? He said that Dallas was a real pro team, not like the Raiders. They had to be traded or destroy the team from within.
Yes, the O-line had to be replaced, once again, Penn was done, Osemele had fallen off a cliff, Jackson has turned avg and has injury problems. Gruden brought in Icognito and Brown to shore up the line and they both got hurt.That is the truth, not your scenario.
Your straw man attacks are hilarious.
My position is, Gruden set this team up to be a contender, the new regime needs to take it to a higher level, so far, that hasn't shown, so of course, that is very concerning. The reason I go at you, is because you continue to bang the false narrative drum and will hold you to that. You don't like it, obviously, so you will try to put a label on myself and try to steer me into a certain light. Disingenuous at best.
Your game is old and worn out. Start watching the games and then you can maybe get on a real narrative, until then, you are just a parrot for a false narrative, a so called useful idiot.
Let's be honest, we don't know Mack's negotiations. He has said that he wanted to remain a Raider. All evidence points to Gruden having a chip on his shoulder when Mack held out.
Suggesting Mack hasn't done anything since leaving the Raiders is flat out wrong. The year Mack left he had as many sacks as the Raiders as a team, minus one. He also forced six fumbles. He was injured in 2021.
He had 3 sacks, with two strip sacks last week against the Raiders. He practically won the game by himself (as he kept Carr from working his magic).
I love defense. That's the thing that excites me most about Raiders history. My personal take on Mack was that he was going to be the Raiders next Howie Long, and there has been no better draft selection by the Raiders in 20+ years.
Trading Mack has always been a sore spot for me. He and Gruden did not jive. His statements in recent media posts imply as much. He was bitter when he left. I was too.
I hear what you're saying about the O-line but I disagree. I believe the primary reason the O-line was dismantled was because Gruden and Cable wanted to transition to ZBS. ZBS has failed the Raiders time and again. When the Raiders running game improved last year it was at least partly because they went with more convention blocking schemes.
One game does not make a sample, but Parham looks like a great pick in the 3rd round based on last week and his work in preseason. He graded third best guard in the league Week 1 and has already exceeded anything Leatherwood did.
You can keep calling me names, but you can't change facts. Mack is undeniably a top edge rusher in the league. That's not just my opinion.
All the post-game press conferences are available. I listen to these guys and hear them articulate what happened and how they intend to correct it, and I feel reassured that we're in good hands. There are no flys on these coaches. They understand football in ways that Raiders fans have not had the pleasure in a long time.
Does that make them winners? Who knows. We shall see.
Cheers!
Mack wanted to be paid more than Donald of the Rams, has Mack lived up to that level? I would say no.
Again, what I wrote is that Mack hasn't done much since he left the Raiders, but good spin though.
That's right, there is still a long way to go this year, but so far, I'm not as impressed as I thought I would be and that is a disappointment. Trying to work up to the end of the year and start slow, doesn't seem like a winning formula when you are in the AFC West. Every win is huge and the team has to hit the ground running, they didn't. They better find it soon, or it could be another wasted season, real quick.
I really want the new regime to KO it out of the park, but I also don't like Gruden bashers who declare this new regime miles ahead of what he did and discredit all that he did. Gruden raised the ceiling and trying to say it didn't happen, is a lie.
NY,
Simple question. Did you watch the Chargers game?
Sandy
Once again Raidernation,
This is the 3rd regime
You've had the same QB for almost 10 years(he's good and I love him).
You've had 2 winning seasons since '12.
*Best since '10 of the 4 regimes:
D. Carr(Reggie) QB
M. Bush(Al) RB
M. Reece(Al) FB
D. Waller(Gruden/ Mayock) TE
M. Crabtree(Reggie) WR
D. Admas(Pats' guys) WR
J. Vehldeer(Al) OT
G. jackson(Reggie) OG
R. Hudson(Reggie) C
C. Carlisle(Al) OG
T. Brown(Gruden/ Mayock) OT
C-Bass(Al) K
J. Ford(Al) KR
K. Mack(Reggie) DE/OLB
T. Kelly(Al) DT
D. Bryant(Cable-Al) DT
M. Crosby(Mayock/ Gruden) DE
J. Brown(Pats' guys) OLB
D. Perryman(Gruden) MLB
#50(Reggie, Mayock, Gruden) OLB
C. Johnson(Al) CB
S. Routt(Al) CB
C-Wood(Reggie) FS
T. Branch(Al) SS
S. Lechler(Al) P
J. Richard(Reggie) KR
The reason we support(ed) Raiders:
the loyalty they showed to us.
Al Davis.
The winning history.
* Why are you throwing all your Raiders' leaders under the bus?
1st, you claim they will build a winner. That they will change the culture(?) and get rig of Al's era.
Gruden: would make Carr a star. Bring Bucs' defense and attitude to Raiders with some of the old Al mentality. He will get good draft picks and make them into good players.
Well- Gruden resigns, Raidernation throws him under the bus and give Rich Bissacia credit for the team making the playoffs.
Reggie: He will fix the salary cap, clean out all the bad contracts, get rid of a lot of bad-mediocre players, find good coaches and get rid of some of the front office staff; he will find talent in the draft and build the team with it. If Carr doesn't work out he will find good QBs' in draft or FA. He will find good-star FAs' and build very good team.
He fixed the cap, he got rid of many Al front office staff, he released/ traded a lot of Al's players.
He had 1 really good draft, he found some outstanding UDFAs'(McGloin, Autry, Richard), he signed some outstanding FAs'(C-Wood, J. jones, J. Nelson, J. Tuck, B. Irvin). he built some of the best o-lines in the NFL('15-'17).
The Raiders went from a top 10 secondary to 1 of the worst in team history.
The Raiders' special teams went from the NFL's best to average.
Yep, the new eras' sure showed us the greatness of the NFL/ owners and modern football.
So, Al was stuck in the past- How? When did he EVER stay in the past?
You wanted somebody to bring the modern NFL way. You know it's being cheap(Patriots' dynasty) ignoring stars just a few but high character guys that were paid good but less then what winning players got in the past.
Well, we've had 3 new eras' did we start winning like Al did with them? Can we be cheap like other teams and win?
Why did Raider Take say fans should forget the Raider way? Why get rid of the slogans and loyalty to the past teams?
Did the other ex-winners/ dynasties stop talking about their teams' pasts? Did Al cause that much dysfunction that the whole fan thing needs to be remade.
Why would you forget the man/ era that built the NFL and pro sports not just the Raiders?
Why would you forget the loyalty and sentiment when Al showed it to us? When the NFL(IMO) doesn't show much to its' fans?
Oh so we shouldn't show the new era loyalty? Only support them when they win? Or just cheer because we love the team instead of it's history, they way they treat their players and fans? Why should they worry about building a winner if you'll listen to any reason for being cheap and screwing fans out of their money but not spending on star players and messing with MDs' decisions?
In 14 games since Jon Gruden resigned as Raiders coach, Derek Carr has committed 20 turnovers and produced 18 TDs. Sandy
When I asked "So, we shouldn't show the new era loyalty?" I was asking why show them loyalty if we are supposed to stop being loyal to the past teams and people who built the team?
Why only remember their success but now support the new era's when the old 1 built the winning teams we loved?
I'm saying the new eras are cheap and won't spend on stars- Why not use some cash to get star OL and DBs? They said they'd spend on stars when the salary cap was fixed but they STILL haven't done that.
They move from Oakland when they could've had a nice open top stadium. Fans support a new stadium(anywhere) but don't bother to ask what about ticket prices. They build a new stadium in Vegas but they charge expensively for season tickets.
So now you're bashing Derek Carr too? What about his four straight wins to end last season? Are you really more concerned about his TD ratio behind a crappy O-line?
You guys fall into CAMP A.
What will you do when the Raiders start winning? You will need to find another hobby.
Just providing more evidence that Gruden is a great coach and got the best out of Derek.
ARe you going to answer my question NY----Did you watch the last game? I am assuming the answer is no.
Sandy
That post was bashing Carr? Nothing like putting a spin on everything, hey NY
Is there an honest bone in your body?
You fall into camp F.
If Raiders have a good season and make the playoffs, I will be happy. If it falls apart, well, it's been 20 yrs of crap so.......it will be another kick in the Royal Raider nuts. I really don't want to experience that.
What you fail to understand NY, is we are attacking you and your hypocritical takes, not the team itself. But I guess, your massive ego makes you think that you are the biggest Raider fan, while everyone else is just a pretender? That all your false narratives are true, when in fact, they aren't.
What comes down to is, someone/you has it twisted and wants to keep twisting it until it fits it's narrative, which is false. Much like Biden, good job.
Lol, you guys are like a couple of schoolgirls stomping your feet and devolving this conversation to playground status. You continue to double down so you're making my position easier and easier to defend.
You both own your CAMP A labeling. You prop up four years of dismantling and incremental improvement by Gruden and already, after one game, condemn McDaniels. Amazing!
Sandy, your point about Carr is nonsensical. Saying Gruden got the best out of Carr is a joke and can't be supported. It wasn't until Gruden left that Carr played his best football last season and won the some of the most critical games of his career. Prior to that, Bill Musgrave coached and play-called circles around Gruden with Carr at QB.
You guys are going to have to come to grips with the fact that Gruden had a losing record in his second stint with the Raiders and barely hovers .500 in his career. He was average at best. Ask any Bucs fan.
Anything to the contrary is not steeped in the stats. Your arguments are based on conjecture and separated from stats or supportable facts.
Btw, Sandy, I haven't missed a Raiders game in 30+ years, since the invention of satellite TV. What a stupid and condescending question. Congrats on that... You got me! Tag, you're it, schoolgirl.
I think someone's feeling are hurt. Based on your observations I don't believe you watched the game.
Sandy
A quote from NY,
" EJ apparently came from NE and they knew what they had. Aside from one sack he gave up to Mack, he had a decent game... at least that's what I read. "
Last night's game shows what we're up against for years to come in the West. Neither team or QB was at their best. That said, the talent displayed by Mahomes and Herbert was still awe inspiring. Even with fractured rib cartilage, Herbert chucked a pair of absolute nails at the end. Simply put, their ceilings seem to be much higher than Carr's. I'm not saying it can't be done. The beauty of the NFL is the 'any given Sunday' effect. These other teams aren't invincible by any stretch. Injuries can open windows. Defense can be a difference. Heck, the Chargers still haven't proven they can win squat. But at the most important position, we have a hand tied behind our backs by comparison. It's not so much a knock on Carr as it is the transcendence of these other QBs. In the balance, it makes our path to perennial Super Bowl contention steeper, likely for years to come.
See excerpt from Vic Tafur article today. Carr may be the third or fourth best quarterback in the division but McDaniel seems very stubborn and not playing to his strengths. Car is a smart quarterback and should be allowed to change plays at the line like he did last year and leave the pocket when he needs to especially with a sack of laundry filling in as our offensive line. Sandy
Carr ran for a career-high 140 yards in his last full season with Gruden, but more importantly extended plays with his legs. He had zero yards rushing in his debut with McDaniels and looked reluctant to leave the pocket when it broke down.
McDaniels was asked whether Carr should have run more.
“I would like that not to happen a whole lot,” McDaniels said. “I’m not a big fan of our quarterbacks doing that necessarily, but if it presented itself and the situation was right of course the guys are going to do that. And Derek’s done that over his career.
“Preferably, I’d like to keep that little cocoon in a nice spot and let him throw the ball from the pocket. Hopefully, we can do that a little better.”
All this descension after one game. It's truly remarkable.
Take, I agree Carr is probably the 4h best QB in the division, but he could also be top-10 in the league. In which case, replacing him will be as easy as finding another Mahomes or another Herbert.
I am fully prepared to hold the new regime accountable. I've said so many times here. However, in fairness I think we have to allow this to evolve. We need to see more than one game, maybe a whole season to really understand what they are capable.
James is out at center. If Parham plays center and does well, that would be a large feather in the cap of Zeigler and McDaniels, especially, after their predecessor failed so miserably on the O-line.
Whoever posted my quote above, what is your point? Anon!
Jermaine Eluemunor (sorry, I typed his initials backwards) was drafted by the Ravens and traded to the Patriots. He started at RT for them in 2020 until he got injured.
Here is the Week 1 grade given to Jermaine by PFF.
Jermaine Eluemunor. Grade: 70.6
"The highlight of Khalil Mack bull rushing Eluemunor lit up the internet on Sunday afternoon, but Eluemunor didn’t have a bad game overall. He actually outperformed Kolton Miller on the opposite side of the offensive line."
What exactly am I being called out for in my statement? Talk about spin.
You did not watch the game
Do you even realize how childish that is?
Enjoy the game!
I know you are but what am i
To Raider Take, part II
Gruden II?: Gruden and Mayock really ruined this team, the game passed them by. They were dysfunctional and didn't have it anymore. Mayock was never a real GM and had no business being 1. Gruden was a sports announcer, not a real HC, he was in the past like Al.
Wow! Raidernation what a fan base! you waited for years for Gruden's return and now he's the worst thing since Al?
I thought ANY modern guy was good enough as long as it wasn't Al? So that means 1 of these 3 regimes should have more than 2 winning seasons. Gruden was tutored by Al not Bellichick or the Rooney's. He wasn't
really happy with the NFL/ Reggie's control of Raiders' front office. He didn't draft those guys and he would've made bolder draft picks and tried to get star free agents. He wanted to keep some kind of old Raiders' so IMO I think they didn't let him draft everybody he planned to.
Gruden II was the best of the 3 new regimes: he was tutored by Al, he studied the game at ESPN, he worked with other good teams like the 49ers.
* So Rich Bisscia became a better HC than Gruden? Really Raider Take?! Over a 3 month period? Rich came from the Cowboys and helped special teams become good again. But he wasn't looked at as a HC but a good assistant. You've made him a hot name that could get a HC job or maybe good as Gruden as a HC. Maybe, but he'll have to show it and that may take a long time and no team was looking to talk to him about a HC job.
Gruden II wasn't elite?: Wow! I thought he was the greatest hire since Bellichick! Maybe he wasn't elite but he was more than enough to help this team. He was already a good OC and he does know QBs'.
Gruden didn't have complete control of the Raiders. He had say in some of the draft and free agency but really wasn't able to do everything he planned to do:
1. he didn't draft most of the players.
2. he had hardly any control of the salary cap.
3. he could hire assistants and he did bring some that played or coached in TB. But no-way was he to hire ANYBODY close to Al.
* It was MD who hired Gruden?: Maybe he did, he knew MD but he didn't hang around the game much. He seemed to want to have ex-Raiders or Raider looking guys(Del Rio). He seems to be looking at people he heard of not some deep thinking moves to find NEW and different directions. Was it MD or the NFL hiring ex-Raiders to keep us buying tickets, merchandise and watching games on t.v.?
Raiders gave Gruden a ridiculous contract?: The big contract was the owners' idea, not MD's. It was to buy Gruden's loyalty.
* The draft, was it that disgraceful? You're the 1s' who thought Al's players were big, fast busts with attitude problems- well I thought you wanted great players? I thought a modern NFL front office would build us a winner? The new regimes had 1 outstanding draft and a few good 1s'- Yet you STILL feel they are a far better system than Al's.
Mayock had to go?: I thought ANYBODY was a better choice than Al? You thought it was a great idea to make an NFL draft expert a GM.
What's funny is Al didn't screw up but maybe 2 top picks during that slump- maybe, I see no more than 3 mediocre picks- maybe. But you seem to feel Al was 1 of the worst at finding talent during his last years.
So, 1st it was Al dysfunction, then it was Reggie's bad moves, then it was Gruden's return- was an ex-Raider, loved us and knew how to coach QBs'. Now he's a racist and-, who can come back after 10 years and coach? Maybe he didn't know what he was doing and was overrated with TB! He never really did much(Bucs) and it was Al who really built those winning '00 teams. Wow fans! you sure can turn on your heroes and BTW...do you really think they were going to let him control this team?
Gruden was hired to keep us happy and buying tickets/ merchandise. He wasn't hired to return us to old glory.
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