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A little late on the draw here, it's 7-7 early on, playing for some semblance of momentum today, GO RAIDERS!
posted by Raider Take at 1:28 PM
A little late on the draw here, it's 7-7 early on, playing for some semblance of momentum today, GO RAIDERS!
posted by Raider Take at 1:28 PM
42 Comments:
I hate to sound negative after a win, but if I'm being honest, there were some really bad calls on both sides of the ball.
Let's start with the 4th down pitch that should have been a QB keeper. Then soon after McDaniels ran the same play on a critical third down and got stuffed. Lesson not learned!
The last serious in regulation, the Raiders had 40 seconds and 2 timeouts, ran the ball twice and called no timeouts. A FG would have won it. WTF?
The defense is just terrible. Soft coverage sucks!
The Raiders boil down to this... The offense is a one-man show by Josh Jacobs. The defense is a one-man show by Maxx Crosby. Without these guys, the Raiders are the armpit of the NFL. They better figure out a way to re-sign Jacobs.
Okay, 4-7. It's nice to get a win.
NY, Show yourself some compassion lol. They won a tough one on the road enjoy the moment.
Scoring 42 against Seatle without Renfrow and Waller is impressive. Yes the pitch on 4 and inches was weird but not as weird as Ziegler not picking up Jacobs 5th year option.
The D just doesn't have the horses with the exception of Mad Maxx who is all pro. That being said there are some good pieces on this team Carr, Adams, the d-line played well today as did Perryman and the o-line was above average. They need some DBs in the worst way.
Enjoy the win it was sweet.
Sandy
Another character win, hey, maybe this new regime does have some chops? Derek Carr's reaction as Josh Jacobs explodes for a 80 + yrd TD, was something to see. How Raider fans can be hating on Carr is perplexing. The guy loves this team and has given us something to cheer about almost every year dealing with an avg of 28th ranked D during his tenure. This year, the Raiders have the worst ranked D in the league. But fans scream, Carr has never won a playoff game, it's hard enough to make the playoffs with a poor D, let alone win a playoff game with a poor D.
Overall, the coaching was not a problem today, the team was well prepared and for the most part, the play calling by McDaniels was at a high level. Like a player, rarely do you ever see a perfect game.
Hoping they can make cap room for Jacobs, wow, what a stud. The O-line doing a very good job today. Jacobs making that Mack trade worthwhile. Haven't heard Mack's name at all this year, except for a couple of plays he made vs the Raiders.
It was a very fun game to watch, like a heavyweight fight, slugging back and forth. This is the kind of football many of us fans wanted to see from the start of the year, except for the poor D of course. Though, the D came up with timely turnovers and some timely stops on 3rd down.
Great to see them play well and see that chemistry coming back. Win out and make the pl
Sandy, there's very little that separates this game from other games, except that they won, and Jacobs took care of that himself. The Raiders have been in six one-score games which they lost. Again, the difference here is they won. That's great but is that improvement? Probably not when your defense gives up 34 points and you struggle with bad play-calling to end the game.
IMO, the lateral running play McDaniels called on 4th down and inches and not attempting to get into FG position with 40 seconds and two timeouts at the end of regulation (on the road!) is inexcusable. I would have thought those situations fall under football 101. McDaniels is overthinking. Fortunately, it worked out this time, but the pattern hasn't changed.
Think about it, how could the game have been so close when Jacobs had over 300 yards from scrimmage (surpassing Marcus Allen, Bo Jackson and everyone who's ever worn silver & black), and the Raiders had 576 total offense?
As for Jacobs contract, it will only cost the Raiders $1.5mm more to franchise him than it would have cost for his 5th year option. That's pocket change in NFL dollars. Either way, the Raiders can have Jacobs at least one more year. The bigger issue is long-term. Clearly, there's an argument to be made he deserves whatever he's paid. He and Crosby are game changers.
Back to back road wins! Is this really happening? Tie the game late, and win it in OT. Not the greatest formula for success, but for now, I'll take it.
Too bad Raiders defense can make any Qb look like Johnny U. Is Patrick Graham a lightweight, or do Raiders just need more, better players on D, or maybe it's both.
Let's keep it rolling. Winning is a great feeling, that, unfortunately, Raiders fans don't get to experience too often of late. Let's punch the Dolts in the mouth next week, and take it from there.
Back to back overtime wins against rivals (yes, the Seahags are rivals). Offense was really clicking yesterday, the O-line was working it against a stout defense. Raiders picked them apart. Our defense got picked apart, like it does every game, but I am excited seeing Tillery get pressure up the middle, which gives Maxx and should give Chandler Jones more opportunity to pressure as well. I hate zone defense, and wish our CBs would play man, and LBs and safeties play zone.
What about the weird play on Carr's first INT when the Seahag came off the bench to block and no call? Hope the NFL fines him and the refs.
Crazy game, and a crazy win.
Great win. My goodness, they sure make it interesting, week in and week out.
Lost opportunity this season with the Broncos playing like garbage and the Chargers being fairly mediocre. Second place and wild card were there for the taking.
The reason why the game was close and Jacobs had such a huge stat line, is because the D is poor. It's been the same formula for Carr's career, he has to outscore the other team, every time.
We saw Carr cry, we saw Carr wade through last yr, we saw Carr dbl over when Jacobs took it to the house. The emotional drain on Carr, it takes a toll and Carr's career may be shortened because of it.
All we can ask for as fans is, just play as smart as you can and as hard as you can, this is all we ask for and yesterday, they delivered.
The team is playing for each other again and it's fun to watch. Too bad it wasn't that way at the start of the season.
trade Jacobs while they can!/ re-sign him then trade him before the draft.
trade Moerig for draft picks!
I notice the NFL/ Raidernation likes to talk about stats and we love to take bright side attitudes when we lose. Its' great but its' like its' lowering the bar and I think fans should think about the way they hyped the new era's attitudes when they 1st came to Raiders- they wanted a winning attitude for us but they/ we don't seem to want to focus on that we lose but then talk about stats and other bright side things. We don't tell them they don't cover this team oh, its' changed but Raiders aren't making a lot of changes from Al's so-called dysfunctional era.
I thought we were supposed to be the high character, disciplined, well coached and focused team with a modern front office and trying to be part of the NFL.
Well, what they do is talk bright side things when we lose and when we are mediocre we/ they talk about records.
Al's didn't really like talking stats or even celebrating too much before the playoffs he wanted to win in the playoffs and probably didn't care to celebrate until they won at least 1 playoff game.
NY, I hear you on the 4th and inches. However, on your 15 with 40 seconds left you have to play very aggresivley to get into field goal range, I do not blame McDaniels for playing conservative there. However, if that is your intent why even run the ball.
Nate, Tillery did very little yesterday the push up front was from Bilings and Nicholas---Tillery did not have a tackle.
Sandy
No QB since the NFL merger has dealt with a worse (scoring) defense over his career than Derek Carr. That is well-documented. During Carr's career, the Raiders defense has never ranked higher than 20-25 (I can't remember the exact rankings but it's bad). This year will be no different. In fact, this year's defense might set a new low.
But that's not entirely why the Raiders haven't won. The defense has provided tie- or walk-off win opportunities in 6 losses. Those losses are at least partly on the offense, for one reason or another (e.g., bad play call, dropped pass, WR collision, or just ugly execution).
The last two games more resemble the end of last season, with the Raiders coming out on top.
That said, I can't help but go back to what I suggested in a previous post, i.e., a pattern of bad play-calling continues to haunt the Raiders in crucial situations. Yesterday was no different. That has to stop to get the team to the next level.
Sandy, I'd argue when the team is 3-7, it's okay to take a chance and play aggressively with 40 seconds and two timeouts, on the road, and since they'd probably still end up going to overtime. The only risk is a turnover... which, knock on wood, the Raiders have the fewest in the league.
Tillery? Did he even play? He had no tackles, and I haven't seen the snap counts yet. If Tillery played, he was a ghost.
Raiders had 3 turnovers yesterday and it set up Sea for some easy points. If the D was just avg this year, Raiders would be in a playoff position now. Most teams don't have to score on every possession to win, like the Raiders do. If the O is avg, the team loses every time. Carr has had to deal with this his whole career and at some point, the toll is going to show, just a matter of when.
What we saw yesterday, on the O side of the ball, was a team and coaches coming together and hopefully continuing it for the rest of the year. If that happens, then we can have some hope for next year. If they come out and play dummy football again, then there is reason for more concern. I liked what I saw yesterday, the team has their fight back and they were a team yesterday.
I thought Tillery wore #91, in actuality it was Bilal Nichols. So Bilal was the one with all the push up the middle yesterday. Had his best game of the season too. My bad everyone.
Unbelievable how some Raiders fans on Twitter were excited to see Carr get hurt yesterday. I don't understand the hate for him; he has done nothing but compete year in and year out for the Raiders. He is a HUGE reason why we have been remotely relevant in the last 9 years.
Jacobs performance yesterday was the best performance by any Raiders RB in History. He is on fire, and with a defense ranked 30th against the run in the Chargers this next week, keep feeding him the ball!
They won! and they showed some toughness and team work but what about their actions with the team this season?
IF we are a bad team I could understand it we are a good not quite very good team and need to make changes in personnel if we're going to climb up the AFC West ladder.
This is a good team when healthy but it just isn't doing what media claimed new regimes would do for us.
Its' not just the Raiders its' the NFL and their greedy and corporate system. Just because the Steelers, Patriots and others can succeed with it doesn't mean its' the only 1 out there.
The Raiders have been mediocre the whole season. The front office is acting like amateurs sometimes doing ridiculous things. The Strange thing is they don't seem to be interested in winning at all- making me wonder if its' more about setting up argument for more changes and higher draft picks.
The NFL just doesn't want teams spending to win too much especially, the Raiders and they want us to support this.
Al would make trades and try to sign good free agents off the streets in the season to try and win but fans' don't think that's o.k. anymore the NFL says do those things just do it cheaply.
The Raiders sign bigger, faster guys sometimes some make others don't they had a few like CB I. Johnson who they refused to let play after his injury. Maybe they should use all kinds of guys- if some are big, faster- use them, if they mess up it just proves sometimes they aren't as good as others(all kinds of players).
"Raiders had 3 turnovers yesterday and it set up Sea for some easy points."
I think it was just the two INTs. There was a fumble, but it was recovered by the Raiders.
Here's one for the books. Did anyone read that the Seahawks had a 12th player enter the field from the sideline during the INT return on Carr's first pass and that player actually threw a block? Of course, the refs never called it.
Another observation... with 14 seconds left in the half, on second down, the Raiders elected to kick a FG from about the 20 instead of running a play to the end zone. 14 seconds is plenty of time to throw a pass and still line up for a kick.
The conservative approach, just like running out the clock to end regulation, seems to be the MO of this regime.
Plenty of other teams routinely score with less time, from greater distances. Didn't the Cards need only 13 seconds to score on the Raiders from their side of the field?
If you have a fast Carr, you need to step on the gas every once in a while.
NY do you have a problemwith attempting a 56 yarder in ot versus going for it on 4 and 2. I was good with that decision. I am okay with conservative remember the Arizona game when Raiders were in FG range and McDaniels htrew it twice to REnfrow that was aggresivley a bad choice
Sandy
Raiders turned it over on a 4th down blunder. QB sneak should have been called, Seahags were in a nickel D.
Yes there were some questionable calls, you can say that with every team. When it mattered, the calls were mostly effective, the O racked up over 570 yrds and won, those are the stats that matter.
Being conservative on the road is the norm, take the points. Imagine if they went for it and something happened where the Raiders would have come up empty, you would be even more mad?
Sandy, sending Carlson to attempt a 56-yarder on 4th down is never a bad decision. Carlson has been money.
My point is, for a guy who goes on 4th down pretty much anywhere past the 50-yard-line, McDaniels has shown a pattern of being strangely conservative in situations which the reward of a big play is far greater than the risk... particularly, for a team pretty much eliminated from playoff contention.
The Raiders had enough time and downs (14 seconds on 2nd down) to attempt a pass into the endzone before kicking the FG to end the half.
And, on the road, with 40 seconds and 2 timeouts to end regulation, McDaniels just shut down the offense to send the game into OT... in a game which our defense had already surrendered 34 pts.
IMO, the Raiders will never be a powerhouse until they can take advantage of those situations. Teams have scored on us with far less. Once upon a time, Carr was pretty good in a 2-minute offense.
The author from the blog url below spells out every concern I had about the conservative play-calling by McDaniels on Sunday. Taken individually, it's not a big deal, but together they show a disconcerting pattern. It's easy to brush off after a win, but this easily could have gone the other way.
https://justblogbaby.com/2022/11/29/raiders-seahawks-2022-week-12-studs-duds/8/
NY, did you write that article? 40 seconds and starting from your own 10, on the road? If my memory serves me right, we have seen Carr throw pick 6's in that situation before. That deep, in your own zone, on the road on a cold day, McD made the right call. It's amazing that the Raiders win and fans complain about sitting on the ball to run out the clock inside your own 20 yrd line and less than a minute on the clock.
The call I disliked was 4th and half a yrd with the Hawks in a nickel package. Instead of Carr just running a QB sneak for a 1st, they pitched it out to Jacobs who was well short of the 1st down. But, coaches, just like the players, don't always do the right thing and that can be acceptable if the high majority are good calls. Nobody ever calls a perfect game, no one ever has had a perfect draft, for the most part, the coaching was good on Sunday.
Can't wait for the Raiders to find a replacement for J. Brown # 50. The guy is useless, can't tackle, won't fill a hole and can't cover. It's going to be good to see Hobbs back in the lineup. Hobbs can tackle and cover, need more like him.
I just watched the highlights again. Jacobs was fantastic a game for the ages. 300 plus yards. What a man. Sandy
Why are we talking stats?
When Al was in his slump you supported him at 1st, then you stopped hearing the bright side talk- then you didn't want to hear about the highlights of good plays in a bad loss, then you stopped wanting to hear of the we'll fix this and be back next week talk.
Yet, you keep going with this stats talk!
FOA- there were far better games with big stats with more exciting and better players. If DMAC had done this it would be trade him we want to win a
The Raiders won but played mediocre for most of the game. They don't look like a playoff team and fans are starting to give their hopes to a con game; they keep saying 'Any given Sunday' but I see a mediocre team winning games they should've won instead of walk off wins.
That's not how playoff team play. The Raiders didn't do much to show they were committed during camp and now are looking mediocre.
We should get on their case for not working harder to build a good team. They don't spend, they don't even sign athletic free agents. They look shady and don't seem like they care about this season and it looks like they're trying to do something that isn't being told to fans but looks very strange and shady.
If they're doing something to not win while the season is still a chance to make playoffs then what are they doing? Are they building for next year?
If so then why not play exciting football?
Why not sign some of those bigger, faster, Al-like free agents and see what they might have? Why not let young back ups play?
why not try signing some of those bigger, faster free agents that have speed and could be coached up. They signed 1 and maybe another 1 but they need to bring them in and let them play. Sure, some of their draft picks have played well but guys like the free agents they've signed are big and fast and they need a chance to help the Raiders. So, if they are doing shady things and look to be doing things to lose then why not let those Al-like athletes play this year and maybe they might help next year.
"That deep, in your own zone, on the road on a cold day...."
Sandy, come on, man. It's a domed stadium. Would you ever suggest 'it's too cold' to Davante Adams who played all those years in GB? This is the NFL! Yes, the Raiders were on the road. Play to tie at home, play to win on the road. Isn't that football 101?
But it's not just the decision-making at the end of regulation. It's a pattern of conservative play-calling which the author clearly demonstrated. The Raiders have lost 6 games by one score. I would bet we could go back and find similar judgements in those games which may have contributed to those loses.
Listen, I was the guy who was propping up the new regime and the prowess of professional play-calling they would bring to the Raiders. 11 games in and I am left scratching my head. They appear to be learning on the fly. It's a rookie show. Put it this way, McDaniels actions on the field don't match his clear understanding of football from the podium.
I will throw them a bone... how good was the delayed crossing route that Jacobs ran from the sideline? I bet he learned that from Adams.
NY, I did not mention anything about too cold so I am not sure what you are refering to. ALso domed stadium, they tore the kngdome down over 20 years ago what are you talking about?
The delayed crossing route was a great call by McDaniels read here
https://twitter.com/FB_FilmAnalysis/status/1597252281371545602
Anon why are we talking stats probably because Jacobs set Raider records last Sunday and had one of the best all time games in NFL history. Can none of you hear enjoy this moment
Sandy
It's a domed stadium, ha ha, good one. Naw, it was freezing temps on Sunday. The delay was a set play and worked to perfection. When Carr threw an INT on the 1st play of the game, it was mentioned that Carr doesn't do well in cold weather games. But, in Carr fashion, he took the team down the field on the next possession and put up 7. And by the way, there are no more ties (rarely) in the NFL anymore.
Sandy,
I'm with you on Jacobs. That was an amazing moment in Raiders history. The last dominating performance like this was Bo Jackson in 1987-88 against the Seahags and Bozworth. He has a calf injury too, and wasn't expected to play much. It was an amazing feat, and what has been missing in this Raiders offense for decades. Chargers are next, and they have the worst run defense, so I am hoping for a more heavy dose of Jacobs.
Sure, this is not the way we (as fans) imagined the season would start, but the season isn't over yet either. The O-line continues to improve every week, but there is still work to be done. The defense needs major help, but even the DT's are starting to play better and get push; but there are still major holes and inconsistency. If we are going to make a serious push for the playoffs this year (which is still possible), the defense needs to vastly improve.
With that said, there is still a player (or players) who are being called out for not playing or causing discord with teammates. So there is still some dysfunction that needs to be addressed to. No team is without issues, yet the Raiders have a tendency to let issues affect their play. This team overcame a lot last season, and seems to have a lot more to overcome this season. I think this is why Carr was so depleted a few weeks ago, emotionally. Whatever the issues are, seems to be killing the Raiders progress; and that is emotionally draining. But since he spoke that way, the Raiders have won back-to-back games. Keep the momentum going, and JUST WIN, BABY!
Sandy, my apologies, that was from an anonymous post... not you.
I thought Seahawks stadium had a retractable roof. Nevertheless, the temp at gametime was reported to be 46 degrees, with light winds at 6 mph... perfect for football! Certainly not "freezing" as anon says.
Anon, that was not a cold weather game, i.e., unless you live in South FL. And Carr's first INT looked more like miscommunication. The ball to Adams looked catchable but Adams did not make a timely play on it.
The team is from Vegas, one of the hottest places in the country, so yeah, that is cold weather, comparably. A lot of INT's are miscommunication. The one to Adams was miscommunication too.
Just wondering how NFL makes it schedule. Steelers vs Colts in late November, Monday night football game ? Wow! what a bore fest. Teams going no where, so who cares ?
Many prime time appearances given to Donks, Colts, Steelers, this year. Boring, unwatchable, let's watch the paint dry, type teams/games. None of these teams were in playoffs last year, so it stands to reason they would not be much better this season.
Meanwhile, Raiders, a playoff team last year, are hardly to be seen. Maybe not the winning results, but certainly Raiders are at least, outside the Saints game, an entertaining team to watch.
So is NFL just screwing Raiders again, or are they really just as stupid as they seem ?
To other Anon, Can we just enjoy the moment?: Great game by Jacobs but:
1. it wasn't the best ever by a Raiders' player- it was the biggest stats.
2. the Raiders usually are winning when a player puts up stats like that. they won but it was another tie and a mediocre game by both teams and the Raiders need to show they can play well instead of just good enough to beat a team in a slump or with lots of injuries or having that bad game every once in awhile.
That was not the last dominating performance. it may be the biggest stats.
we've had guys:
1. score 4 TD's to help Raiders comeback from 24-0 to win a game.
2. a guy have runs of 50+ yards about 3-5 times in a game.
3. a guy almost break the record for ints. in a season and it was a winning season.
4. A guy literally running over a team's D and helping his team score over 50 points and putting up great stats not like Jacobs but big stats.
Other Anon, its' great stats but the team needs to be better and find more good players if they're going to make a playoff run. Al's Raiders usually had a good team to make a good-great player maybe have a huge game. Jacobs had great stats but not the biggest game by a Raiders' player. Great game but other Raiders had huge games with winning teams.
Anon, please enlighten me about who was the Raider player that ran for 50 yards plus 3 to 5 times in the same game. I think there's maybe one player in the entire NFL history who's run for more than 50 yards plus three times in a game. Sandy
See, thats' why I talk about Al Davis football so much! Its' like anything about that era is off base and unimportant!
Oh, other Anon! you don't know how many things ex-Raiders have done in this league.
You think Jacobs is the Raiders only 200+ game RB?
But what gets me is this bright side and good points thing fans have now. In Raiders' 9 year slump, we did this but as the media started attacking Al and the loses got worse we stopped doing it.
Other Anon, there are a lot of great Raiders' stars who've put up huge stats.
You mean, you don't know who was running all over the NFL in the late 80's who had huge games and more 200+ yard games than Jacobs?
You need to really look at Raiders' history before you make all kinds of claims about its' players good or bad. The Raiders had other guys with big stats and maybe you should know this team had talent before Reggie, Gruden or the Pats' guys.
Obviously you can't answer my question because no Raider had ever had 3 runs of more than 50 in the same game never mind 5. Sandy
Again you don't remember Raiders' player history unless its' Reggie, Gruden and the Pats' guys.
Just as you don't seem to get that the stats are o.k. but that's not Bellichick or Al's way of looking at things.
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You keep trying to put this new era in a sort of give them time, they're
Sorry other Anon, the player I was talking about had about 3-5 50+ runs against a team but it was the same team in 2 different years. He had about 3 50+ runs in the 1st game then about 2 in the 2nd('90).
So he had about 3 in a game in '89.
Anyway, Anon, this big stat game Jacobs put up is great but the team was mediocre and didn't do much to build a good team. If they'd beat a team or escaped with a win against a good-very good team then that would be good but putting up big stats but being a mediocre team and almost losing the game isn't that great a thing- we want to win not just have bright side talks.
The A's want to move to Las Vegas. They are so classless now, media is supporting their greedy plans. They have a whole stadium site to themselves and now they don't want it. They helped give Raiders excuse to move now they want to move. But its' not just them there are people who were behind the Warriors and Raiders leaving Oakland.
Remember Raidernation members who passed away!
Veronica “Bedazzled” Ruiz
Ricky Ricardo owner of Rickey's Sports Bar
Ricky Ricardo owner of Rickey's Sports Bar was a huge Raiders' fan and had lots of fans and players come by. Vegas may have bigger tourism and fan fun/ retail places and a lot of other fun things to do but Oakland/ L.A. and the world was made into a big sports bar/ party to watch the Raiders and get together; they turned an area into a sport bar or parking lot from a home or backyard- fans wanted to watch the Raiders and get together.
Anon your faxts continue to be wrong Bo Jackson one of the greatest Raiders ever had five or six career runs of 50 yards or longer but none of them happened in the same game. Look it up. Sandy
2023 Salary Cap expected to exceed $220 million. Is there anybody out there who believes the Raiders shouldn't find a way to re-sign Josh Jacobs? Even if they have to franchise tag.
Jacobs has proven he is elite.
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