Merrry Christmas, Raider Takers
I'm resisting the temptation to make this a Clown Car Christmas after last night's debacle.
I will say this: how can this team, with the best receiver in the NFL, one of the best RBs, and an (allegedly) very good QB put up another offensive stinker like this? How does our defense so regularly find a way to lose in the last minutes? I boil it down to this: this is a team that lacks FORTITUDE.
But let's forget all that for today. I love you all, you bring your passion, intellect and heart to this place. Merry Christmas, may the Good News bring you joy and happiness during this holiday season!
posted by Raider Take at 9:30 AM
92 Comments:
Just saw the Jacobs interview after the game. He was very close to calling out the coaching. He said that in the 2nd half, the way to close out a game like that is to run the ball. He shook his head at why he only had a few carries in the 2nd half.
The score was exactly the same score as 50 years ago, their RB was named Harris, same as 50 years ago and the weather was exactly the same as 50 years ago. Just more coincidences, I would guess?
Carr said the game had a stink to it, just like many games before it. Can you smell what the league is cookin?
I've resisted posting until now. Some things are better left unsaid, but I need to vent a little. It's easy to say too many passes, or too few runs, but it's always different and it's always the same result.
Although Hobbs got torched all night, the defense played admirably. I blame Carr for this loss. He was off-target most of the night. Renfrow was wide open on his last pass, and we saw where that ended up. Adams was targeted like 9-10 times but few were catchable. If Carr had an assist in the loss, that would be Foster Moreau. Not for Moreau's facemask penalty, Jacobs gets the Raiders in FG range.
In the end, this is just another game which is endemic of a much bigger problem that plagues the Raiders. Not sure if it's fortitude because it spans so many regimes and we've seen Carr perform at a high level. Yet, he's failed over and over this season.
I feel like playcalling is the issue, although Carr has no excuse for his performance last night. Why didn't he wear a glove on his throwing hand?
The Raiders will have opportunities to add more talent in the draft and FA, but without better coaching and better playcalling, I don't see how they get over the hump.
The status quo is incredibly resilient.
With that said, I share RT's sentiment. I really appreciate the discussion and wish everyone a healthy and happy holiday season!
I agree NY. This was Carr's worst game of the year, and soemthing seemed off with him. I think the glove was directly impacting his throws. However, I disagree that this was all his fault. The O-Line could not hold the defense to save their lives. This was the worst performance by our offensive line, and no adjustments made to help.
Also, I do not like the play calling this year. I really don't know if it is McDaniels or Lombardi calling the plays, but the 2nd half has been deplorable all year. I do not understand why coaches cannot build a scheme around the strengths of the roster. This is what made Bill Musgrave successful. DC has not been the same QB since he left. So my question, if the Raiders never had Musgrave, would we still believe in Carr as the starting QB? I think he is an above average QB, and is comparable to the likes of Phillip Rivers, Kirk Cousins, Matthew Stafford (pre-Rams), and others. I think he would do well on other teams, and has potential to take a team to the Super Bowl; but maybe it is time for a change of scenery for him. I think his play this year reflects his frustrations with constant rebuilds and constant bashing from people like Dubow and other beat writers who brutalize him week in and out.
With that said, if we release Carr who do we get? We have a lot of talent at the collegiate level (I really like Tennessee's QB Hooker, but he wouldn't fit with McDaniels). Whoever it would be would have to be an upgrade. A lot of people on Twitter are screaming for Lamar Jackson, but I am not sure he is an upgrade. Really the only FA QB that is better is Tom Brady, and that may be a real possibility this offseason; especially with the ability to outright cut Carr with minimal cap damage. With that said, I don't think a change in QB changes how the team performs, even if it is Tom Brady. DC has never played with a team that had a top 15 defense in his 9 years. The play of the O-Line this season is deplorable. I think the bigger focus for the Raiders is to build both Defensive and Offensive Lines. The game is won in the trenches, and our trenches have been dismal for several years. Reggie was trying to remedy this by focusing big money in the trenches. This is where I respected him the most.
If the Raider cut Carr this offseason, does Devante leave? I believe he does, even if it is Brady who is the next QB. He outright chose less money to come to Vegas because he wanted to play with Carr.
If they release Carr, here are teams I believe he could go to and make the most impact with:
I believe these teams are potential Super Bowl teams with Carr:
Tennessee
Ravens (Lamar is a FA)
Patriots
Steelers
I believe these are playoff teams with Carr:
New Orleans
Arizona
Seattle
Houston
Indianapolis
Jets
Giants (Daniel Jones is a FA next year)
Washington
Green Bay (Rodgers may retire)
Scary to think about, but this is a possibility.
Nate, from what I saw, Carr only had a glove on his left hand. It was way too cold to go barehanded but he did it anyway. He should have been practicing all week with gloves on both hands.
I agree the line needed to be better, but they were their usual self, meaning the plays needed to be better. Plays needed to develop quicker and be designed for the Steelers pass rush. This has been a problem all year, so it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.
The point about Musgrave is a good one. In his career, Carr is at his best when the pace is fast. Are the coaches blind to that? This entire season, the offense huddles virtually every play (even in 2-min drills) and barely gets plays off before the play clock runs out. Is Bill Musgrave that much smarter than every coach Carr has had? Has nobody watched his college film?
Again, I'm not excusing Carr for his pathetic performance... nor the 11 yards he had in the second half a couple weeks ago. It's inexcusable!
I stand behind my earlier point, the Raiders can add talent, but the status quo isn't going to change until the bigger problem(s) is identified and corrected.
Right now, I am on the fence with McDaniels and with Carr. Yet, changing either one of these guys next year will lead to another inaugural season with probably similar results.
It's a vicious cycle.
P.S. Carr has said he will only play for Raiders. Regardless, he can't play in the cold, so he's likely not going to any cold weather teams. A man has to know his limitations.
If games ended at halftime, Raiders would be champs!!!
It's that pesky 2nd half that kills the Raiders. No points, no adjustments, same old crap over and again.
Happy holidays everyone! Raider take, please keep the flame burning, we vent here to keep from going crazy, LOL, thanks for your effort, Raider take never folds in the 2nd half!!!
So its' get rid of Carr
You ALWAYS let the media/ NFL and Raiders tell you how much better the Raiders will be when they get this and that and its' just being a new regime and building things that will later become a winning team!
The only reason you still go with the Pats' guys is because of their dynasty!
The NFL really doesn't care for us, understand! they are o.k. with us because they've erased so much of our culture and team spirit and the fact they moved us to L.V. to make the league wealthier makes us important and key to making money but still the fact there's still things from Al's era left on the team has some negative feelings from the NFL toward us.
So, you think the league wanted the Steelers to win? Do
Look, the NFL and Raiders are almost totally cooperating. You felt that was a good thing. You felt the league was ahead of Al but you didn't look at the business side of the game! They are about money and power- not fans and teams.
Now, don't you see the business side of the NFL? A team keeps almost winning games to make playoffs but losing a lot. But, in 2 years the Super Bowl is coming to its' home. If they start winning next year and maybe win a playoff game- well, fans will be pumped and spend like crazy into the Super Bowl season; With visitor fans, tourists spending in L.V. the NFL, entertainment and retail businesses could make a lot of money.
The Raiders are ALMOST there! just a few more defensive players! they lose 6-8 games in the 4th quarter- The season is lost and fans are upset. But look the good side-
they lost close games
they have some pieces to build on.
they have money to spend on free agents.
the Pats' guys will hire new assistants.
the Pats' guys can trade some good players they can trade for something good in return.
the Pats' guys will have high draft picks to find good players.
the Super Bowl in '24 and all the fans, visiting fans, tourism, businesses opening up, and NFL events
a Raiders' playoff win a year before the '24 Vegas Super Bowl season. The NFL will bring NFL events and fans/ tourism and visiting fans will make the league and city 1 of the most attractive fun places in the world and make them wealthier.
And you'll fall for it! You'll buy the tickets and merchandise and say nothing about the NFL
Al and a few others stood against this kind or con game and he was attacked in the media for it.
Wow! we had a top NFL man and a guy who cared for the NFL people, players, fans and the game and you wanted the NFL system and the billionaire owners riding their coat tails.
Carr can stay
Carr can stay and accept being a game manager sharing the starting job with a rookie or Stedman. The Pats' guys might draft a QB and want him or Stedman to get playing time.
They need to bring back Mariota as a part time starter.
Tillery needs to be signed to a contract ASAP.
They should let Jacobs walk. They need a faster RB.
I don't think we let Jacobs walk either, anon. I do, however, think we need a bigger back (Derrick Henry/Marshawn Lynch type). Carr, in my opinion, stays; but they have to get better with play calls and offensive line. The two main areas this offseason is to beef up the offesnive line, and beef up on the DT play.
Mike McGlinchey (RT, 49ers) is the best FA after this season.
Rodney Hudson is a free agent again as well, and would love to have him back and move James to RG.
Trai Turner (Washington), Nick Gates (Giants), Matt Pryor (Indy) are all available and above average Guards.
Defensively, Cle Ferrell will be let go. They have kept Malcom Koonce quiet, and he hasn't had much play time; I think that will change. Kalil Mack is a FA, does he come back to the Raiders at a cheaper contract? I think it is a possibility. DT Free Agents we can pursue:
Javon Hargrave (Philly), Dalvin Tomlinson (Giants), and Da'Ron Payne (Washington) are the best at DT
Sheldon Rankins (Jets), Fletcher Cox (Philly), and Shy Tuttle (Saints) are all decent free agents.
As far as the draft goes, it is a little too early to pick for sure until after Combine, Sr Bowl, and East/West games. Here is who I like so far at DT:
Siaki Ika (NT, Baylor): 6'4", 357 lbs. Siaki is a big dude who has unbelievable speed for his size. He has 23 tackles this year, but zero sacks. In 2021, he had 24 tackles, 4 sacks (his best year). However, not sure if he is entering draft this year. Could be a great anchor who can create pressure if they re-sign Tillery, or pursue Hargrave, Tomlison, or Payne.
T'Vondre Sweat (NT, Texas): 6'4", 340 lbs. I felt our D-Line has lacked an anchor at this position and Sweat would be that anchor, and like Ika, I like him here if they re-sign Tillery, or pursue Hargrave, Tomlison, or Payne. My only knock is knowing UT, he has disappeared at times, and rumor is he likes to party. He has potential to develop, but will he put in the work?
Jalen Carter (DT, Georgia): 6'3", 310 lbs. This would be a great DT to create pressure. Usually young DT's like this don't really impact their first year. But, Walter Football is reporting that there are several scouts who say he doesn't put in the work or film; he relies on his talent alone. Red flag for me.
For Guard in the Draft:
Cody Mauch (ND State) 6'6", 301 lbs. I think he will be a small school surprise.
Jarrett Patterson (Notre Dame) 6'4", 307 lbs. I really like this kid, he is pretty solid in both the running and passing game. He missed opener vs Ohio St; but played well this year. He also has played Center, so he is versatile. Walter Football has both he and Mauch in 2 or 3rd Round, but I think they rise with the combine and games. Patterson is the only one that I truly see as starting right now out of the two. Mauch could start pending on what he shows in offseason workouts; but could also be "depth."
I think another position we need to pursue this offseason is DB. We need another solid CB and both Safety positions. I think we need savvy veteran help here, and need to stay away from the draft at these positions. Here are a few names I like:
James Bradberry (CB, Philly)
Cameron Sutton (CB, Pittsburgh)
Patrick Peterson (CB, Minnesota) - I think he would be willing to move to FS like C-Wood.
Von Bell (SS, Cincy)
LaMarcus Joyner (FS, Jets)
Devin McCourty (FS, NE)
The last posistion for me is LB. Here are my favorite FA:
Lavonte David (ILB, Tampa)
Roquan Smith (ILB, Ravens)
Devin Bush (ILB, Steelers)
Drue Tranquill (OLB, Chargers)
Leighton Vander Esch (LB, Cowboys)
Cody Barton (LB, Seattle)
Hondo Carpenter said in a report this morning that unless the team loses on the replacement they want, Derek Carr will not be the starting QB next year.
Looks like McDaniels is going to blame Carr for their woes and his lackluster play calling. I hate it for DC. I think he is an above average QB, who has had his worst season of his career this year; and is going to be the "fall guy". I do think they will pursue Tom Brady, and draft a younger QB (in the later rounds, if not early) if this is the case. I would consider not following the Raiders if this happened. I cannot stand Brady, nor the thought of him being on the Raiders.
Let me put it this way. If the Raiders did not have Derek Carr at QB this season, would you be confident in McDaniels' going forward as HC? I would not. In fact, I think we have a two win season at this point without Carr. In the long run, I do not think McDaniels is a good coach. I think we eat our loss, fire McDaniels and Graham, hire Sean Payton and Vic Fangio (DC), and let Zeigler decide if he wants to stay or go. If he decides to go, I'm sure with Payton, we can find a GM
Media have been saying Carr is done with the Raiders for years, including Gruden's entire tenure. So, it's difficult to put stock in any media report, inside sources or not. Also, Carr has a no-trade clause, so the Raiders stand to lose any trade value by just releasing him.
Unless it's Tom Brady, I don't see it happening. A rookie would take at least 1-2 years to coach up and McDaniels doesn't have that luxury. He'll be fired by then.
Between McDaniels and Ziegler, only Ziegler turned out to be an upgrade, and that's mostly because Mayock was so bad.
Funny, things were coasting along until the Steelers game, which reeked of incompetence.
Carr has an injury guaranty that kicks in 3 days after the SB. If the Raiders sit Carr this week or next, we will have our answer.
Coming off the Steelers game, Carr is far too much of a competitor to sit on his own. It would clearly mean a decision has to be made to release or trade him.
That's the only drama left to an otherwise sh*t-show of a season.
https://twitter.com/LeandroRaiders/status/1607088003133984775?s=20&t=_WL3amQvl2PQemVnuEct1g
Derek Carr is a good quarterback I completely blame McDaniels terrible coaching and Ziegler not improving the team I don't know how you can call him an upgrade given the offensive line. If they keep Josh and get rid of Derek I may throw in the towel. Sandy
Stepping up from Mayock wasn't a big hill to climb.
Carr is a good QB, but he's had some games (career and this season) that put into question his ability to play in cold weather, perform under pressure, and lead the Raiders into the playoffs. He's never won a playoff game and he currently leads the NFL in INTs. There's reason to doubt. The Steelers game was maybe his worst I can remember, at the most critical time. The Jets game in NJ was pathetic too, and also cold weather.
I've been a big fan of Carr but he has self-destructed this season. We can't blame McDaniels for Carr not seeing open receivers and throwing balls to the defense.
That said, I don't think the Raiders have much choice but to try again next season. I predict Carr and McDaniels will still be Raiders. McDaniels is on thin ice himself and doesn't have the luxury of starting over with another QB, unless it's a quality vet.
I usually don't buy the media reporting on Carr; but Hondo has been a decent reporter that doesn't write to get readers. He talks with reliable sources with the team, and is a big DC guy as well. For him to say that he doesn't think DC will be the QB next year is a HUGE statement. He is also putting a story out today that Carr has been dealing with an injury since before the Colts game. I'm interested in reading what he has to say.
Moe Moton is another local beat writer I respect, and he thinks the Raiders will pursue Mac Jones.
Carr with a no trade clause, but this is the year he can be cut with minimal impact to the salary cap. If McD is looking for a scapegoat for his failures, Carr is the dude. He is giving him the end of season treatment he gave Tebow. McD is not the worst coach in Raiders history, but if he didn't have Carr, he would be.
Let's remember too, it took the Raiders 12 years to find a decent QB after Gannon. Either way, if they let Carr go, or keep him; McD will have no excuses next season.
NY, Ziegler has proven he can take a playoff team and turn it into a lower. Nate I agree McDaniels is a horrendous coach absolutely shit. I said it before the season and I will say it again. NY, Carr is a top 8 to 12 qb, it's nit his fault he has had crap around him for 7 of his 9 years. Going back to pre Carr qb purgatory would be a total nightmare. The Raiders were on the right track at the end of 21 and McDaniels Mark and Ziegler are destroying the franchise. Tge Raiders have a3 players in the top 15 of the NFL and they win 6 games. Sandy
The difficulty we have is really understanding what caused the implosion this year. I think a proper autopsy would show no one person is responsible. Carr could have the worst HC in the league and still manage to connect on passes he clearly couldn't make on Sunday. He's been incredibly inconsistent and that's not his coaches' fault, entirely.
McDaniels demonstrates impressive football acumen at the podium but each week his play-calling falls short. His game-planning and lack of adjustments has been bad all year.
Ziegler managed to pull off Adams trade and make other moves which we all thought would be positive, but he clearly overlooked the O-line.
All these guys have a hand in this mess.
IMO, most fans think Carr has been given every opportunity and his time is up. Hard to disagree or fault that opinion. His game against the Steelers was inexcusable. We can say he's been through too many coaches and that's what's held him back... but it's also possible he's partly to blame for the carousel of coaches. Raiders have been stuck in neutral for his entire career. Nine years is a long friggin' time.
Here's my take: right or wrong, I think Ziegler, McDaniels and Carr are all Raiders next year. For many reasons, it's become a marriage of necessity. However, given an opportunity to draft from the deep QB class in 2023, I think the Raiders might take a chance on a QB of the future. Like Carr before him, he should be given an opportunity to beat out the incumbent.
My opinion evolves but right now I feel strongly that the decisionmakers in LV will call 2022 a honeymoon and just move on. This might be the only way to play it. Look what happened to the Broncos with Russell Wilson. Rogers and Brady are ancient and might not want to play for McDaniels (could you blame them?).
Looks like Carr is finished as a Raider. Being benched for the last 2 games. Well, many Raider fans will get their wish now, meaning a new QB. I wouldn't mind at all if Derek were to join another team and then light it up. It's been nothing but a blender for Derek, all the coaches, all the mediocre WR's, all the lousy D's. It would be real interesting to know Derek's true feelings about all of it. If he writes a book, it might be worth reading.
Missing a wide open Renfrow badly at the end of the Steelers game with a chance to get into field goal range for a tie was the last straw apparently.
NY, I sure hope you are right about Carr, coming back. I don't believe Brady or Grapallo or any other FA is better. I don't think Roger's or Lamar Jackson will be available. Carr has not been given every opportunity he has never had a defense ranked higher than 25. Making the playoffs 2 with that is an accomplishment. As far as 23 is not a deep qb draft. Even the top 3 guys don't look like an Andrew Luck sure thing. 24 will be much better for QB. This year I would take a flyer on Anthony Richardson if he falls to round 3. Sandy
McDaniels and Ziegler are both a piece of shit. McDaniels ruined the Broncos (chased out Jay Cutler) now he is ruining the Raiders. Mark Davis is an idiot who had the good fortune of being part of the luck sperm club. I have never been as upset with the Raiders as I am today. Its hard to support the team. Derek was a loyal solidier and it is a disgrace that he gets treated this way. Gruden having to leave has put the Riaders on a terrible spiral downward. A large part of the team's soul died with Al, then moving from Oakland another part was lost, Gruden a true Raider at least restored that a little. The team is now just another crappy franchise in the heartless NFL.
Happy Fucking New Year
Sandy
Wow! And there you have it. A Raiders era comes to an end, just like that. You can be sure, not giving Carr an opportunity to recover from the worst game of his career is the ultimate slap in the face. I understand it's probably a business decision (for injury guaranty clause) but it's also a major F-U to a career Raider. What a shame. Can't imagine this will go over well in the locker room. So do we now keep Jacobs, or are they both gone?
To be sure, Davis, McDaniels and Ziegler have discussed this and all agree.
The only other scenario that comes to mind is that Davis is pissed off and has challenged McDaniels to show him how his offense is supposed to run, and the only way to do that is with Stidham at QB. That's a reach but, hey, stranger things have happened with the Raiders. That would beg the question, will Mark Davis be breaking out Al's overhead projector anytime soon? I think Davis still owes Kiffin and Mike Shanahan money after firing them for cause.
So, who's playing QB for the Raiders in 2023? That's the burning question for this off-season. Give the Raiders credit, for such a pathetic team, never a dull moment.
I cannot believe that not only did they bench him, they told him to stay home the rest of the season. Does that include if they make the playoffs? What an absolute crap thing to do. I am still holding out that he is nursing an unknown injury and will be back. I swear, if Brady becomes a Raider, I am done with this franchise. Deplorable.
My rant continued...
I think a guy like Crosby will just roll with it, but Adams has to be kicking himself for ever agreeing to a trade and signing with the Raiders. So much for performing a thoughtful autopsy on the season. Raiders skipped that phase and went right to implosion and self-destruction.
McDaniels will now need to reinvent himself and regain the trust of the team while also training a new QB from scratch. For that matter, we the fans now have to trust McDaniels and Ziegler, who have already failed us.
Any vet QB will know the nonsense Carr had to deal with, and also that the Raiders still don't have an adequate defense, after nine years with Carr at QB.
I know there are fans out there who are happy about this, but this is cart in front of horse stuff. You don't address the problem before you have an answer. That's not a smart way to run a $5B org. Maybe Raiders score a trade, but they don't have a replacement. Therein lies the problem!
NY, if Carr goes, I am placing money that Jacobs is gone, and Adams will demand a trade. If he doesn't get traded, he will hold out. So not only will Raiders lose Carr, they will lose Jacobs and Adams. Possibly Waller too, eapecially since rumors are Gronk is wanting to play next season.
I get it that a lot of people hate Tom Brady. But a lot of people hated Muhammad Ali. A lot of people hated Al Davis. But greatness is greatness, it can't be denied.
So we don't want the guy with seven SB championships. We want the guy with none. I like Derek Carr, he is loyal, a good leader, and a good soldier, marching on through all the crap. But looking back over the last decade, there are two playoff appearances, and no playoff wins. Not blaming Carr for all this, but he is the Qb, the face of the team, the one constant. And most of the time, it has been failure.
While Carr was not leading the Raiders back against the Steelers, Brady was leading his team back against the Cards. Maybe it's apples and oranges, but it's also a fact.
I don't think Tom Brady will let his team blow 17 point leads again, and again. He will get in peoples face, he will make it known that it is not acceptable. Not four times, or three times, or two times, or even once. Real leaders don't make excuses, they win.
Again, Carr gave it his all, but he is what he is, a good NFL Qb. Love him, or hate him, Tom Brady is great. His accomplishments say so in a very big way. Maybe Brady only has a year or two left. Maybe Carr has four or five, but can Carr do in the next five what he hasn't done in the last ten ? You only have to go back two years to see Tom Brady holding the SB trophy high above. And he did it without Belicheck, without Kraft, without the Patriots franchise. What have they done without Brady ?
So to me this is easy. Thank you Derek Carr for all you've done, but we have to move on now. Welcome Tom Brady, please show the Raiders how to get back on the winning track again.
Tom Brady is old and a step down from Derek Carr at this point
https://twitter.com/TheHerd/status/1608188820754944000?s=20&t=dEDhox2X7zq2s-wxxpE7Aw
The most disgraceful moment in Raider history Sandy
What's the alure for Brady or any vet QB to join the Raiders? Certainly not a bottom-10 ranked defense. And certainly not Josh McDaniels after the faceplant of a season he just had presiding over Carr's worst season. Some "offensive guru" he turned out to be.
Under optimum conditions, the Raiders want to hold it together the next two weeks to show they just need a QB to get them over the top. A tall order for a flailing franchise facing two conference leading teams, without their starting edge and MLB, and with Stidham at QB.
Quite possibly, the only winner right now is Derek Carr, who doesn't have to participate in what is most likely to be an embarrassing finish to a busted season. Carr can write his own ticket. He will either be cut or get to choose his team via his no-trade clause.
Meanwhile, the Raiders are a fragmented team with Carr sitting at home, Jacobs with one foot firmly out the door, Adams questioning his decision and I'm sure every player introspecting the current situation.
Geez! Have the Raiders actually found rock bottom, again?
Interesting perspective in this article. I wonder if the players see Carr or McDaniels as the bigger problem. I don't assume either.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10060018-with-derek-carr-benched-where-do-the-raiders-go-from-here
Players see McDaniels as the bigger problem. Carr is loved. The team has been destroyed
NYR...i think the hope is that Brady and McDaniels have a bond. They worked together in the past, and undeniably had great success.
I think if Brady comes, Adams, and Jacobs will stay. Hard to believe they wouldn't want to play with the GOAT.
As for the defense, yeah, it sucks, but that's what Ziegler was brought here for, to build a team. Unfortunately, he traded away 2 top picks to get Adams. But this year he will have full array of picks, plus be able to target key free agents at positions Raiders need.
Anon, Carr is loved as a person, and rightly so. But when you miss as many receivers as Carr did Sunday, players take notice. Adams was targeted like 9-10 times and very few of those were catchable. The ball that sailed past Renfrow lost the game. A couple weeks ago, Carr had 11 yards in the second half. Those stats are tough to look past.
I'm still trying to process this. Losing Carr is a shock, but not entirely without cause. On the plus side, the Raiders will be flush with cap space to build a team around whoever plays QB.
Ghost,
Brady doesn't win 7 Super Bowls without the Patriots and Bucs defense; and stellar O-Lines. Do you think Brady alone will come in and change that with the Raiders? I don't. If you look at their numbers the first 9 years of his career and compare them to DC; you will see a lot of similarities. Even with Brady, the way this franchise is managed, it won't change a thing.
Tom Brady (from 2001-2009):
4,215 Passing Attempts
2,671 Completions
63.4%
30,838 Yards
225 TD's
99 INT's
Derek Carr:
4,958 Passing Attempts
3,201 Completions
64.6%
35,222 Yards
217 TD's
99 INT's
Tell me we are getting something better. Tell me how Derek Carr is the problem. Tell me how Derek Carr is preventing us from winning.
Nate, I can't argue with the numbers, they are very similar. The difference is leadership. Carr goes with the flow, and hopes each season the Raiders brass will build a good team around him.
But Brady will expect, if not demand, the cast around him are winners, all in, all the time. When you have seven rings on your fingers, people tend to listen when you are talking.
If he comes, Tom Brady isn't interested in just collecting a paycheck and sitting on his helmet. Brady expects to win, and that everybody else wants the same. And above all, that the desire to win also translates to the performance on the field.
So everyone will have to put their shoulder behind the cart and start pushing hard. That would be refreshing to see from the lackluster Raiders.
If Brady comes, he would most likely bring Gronkowski out of retirement to join him. Gronk is a tough SOB. Derek Waller is a skilled player, but a little soft. The Raiders need more tough SOB's.
Brady? Even his ex has had enough of that guy. Brady is done, if anyone thinks dumping Derek for Tom at this point, swimming in circles. If Carr is done, then the search is on for a young, young QB to take the position and grow with it. Sticking an old depleted QB in there, will just create another couple years of mediocre and no growth towards a perennial playoff team.
If Mark stays with Josh, then the D will be redone and the O will have a new and young QB to build with. McDaniels and Zeigler have already said that they want to build the team to win for a long time. Signing over the hill players doesn't sound like the plan. Anyways, what true Raider fan wants an old and washed Brady? If you are a Raider fan, you can't be a fan of Brady, just the way it is.
Arguably, Carr was never put in a position to succeed with the Raiders, i.e., a perfect storm of solid O-line, above-average defense and skill position talent around him. He sure as hell didn't blow 5 double-digit halftime leads by himself. But given an entire season with quality skill players around him, he's played the worst football of his career over the past month.
Not sure what to make of that.
I don't think Tom Brady will expose himself to the Raiders dysfunction. Why would he? If he's tight with McDaniels, why did he leave NE?
I agree if you are a Raider fan it has tomake you puke the thought of Brady coming to the Raiders. Not to mention he is not as good as Carr at this point. The guy is toast. Carr has proven a lot at QB McDaniels have proven nothing as a coach. It is incredibly disgusting how it was handled. Carr is a true Raider, gave it his all for 9 years on terrible teams and they just disrespect and kick him to the curb. The locker room is furious, Adams and Jacobs will leave and what FA would want to come here after seeing how they treat players
Finally, it is strategically idiotic as well. Carr can just refuse a trade and they will need to release him for nothing. The Raiders lost all leverage with other teams by benching him. Another total screw up by the organization, Ziegler is an idiot. This is a total rebuild now and there is not anyone to replace Carr. Seriously there is not a QB in the draft or FA who is better or equal to Carr.
No wonder Al didn't let Mark near the team while he was alive. I wrote here many times before the season that Ziegler and McDaniels were crap and unfortunently they were worse than I predicted. If Gruden was around things would be much better.
Sandy
What conclusion can be drawn from Carr regressing, even with high end talent to work with, though Waller and Renfrow were gone for most of the season, is for whatever reason, Carr and McDaniels don't mix well. Maybe the new regimes plan was to nix Carr all along? How else could all those blown leads be explained? If the Raiders were winning those games, they would be going to the playoffs. Would have been hard to move on from Carr then. Just a thought.
I hope Carr signs with a good team and then lights it up. Carr has been the model citizen in his time with the Raiders, Carr was drafted as the franchise was in turmoil, joining a team that had to rebuild the whole darn organization, from top to bottom, like an expansion team. He is given coach after coach, system after system and asked to make it work with mediocre talent. He was given a horrible D every year he was in Oak/Vegas. He had to endure the Antonio Brown situation, the Gruden situation, these are things almost no other QB has had to endure in the history of the league. Imagine if Carr would have been drafted by a winning team and got to play in a stable situation, like say, K.C.? What if is all Carr might have left.
Over 9 seasons and almost as many coaches, only Bill Musgrave truly played to Carr's strengths. Every other coach, including McDaniels, tried to turn Carr into something he's not. Carr threw 50 TDs (mostly to Adams) as a senior in college. He's an efficient shotgun QB. It was good enough for Elway. McDaniels method of calling plays and huddling the offense was clumsy and inefficient. You could see Carr's frustration sometimes. Audibles to run were painfully obvious.
In his first 9 years, Brady has never had a defense ranked below 17, and that happened twice. The other 7 years, Patriots defense never ranked below 8th. Raiders have never had a defense ranked above 20th since DC has been with the team. Since Brady has been with the Bucs, their defenses has ranked 6th, 5th, and 8th in points per game. Raiders defense is currently ranked 24th in points per game allowed.
Raiders have had an oline ranking above 5 for 3 of the years DC has played for them, then Gruden came and dismantled it. I cannot find the O-Line rankings for the Patriots from 2001-2009, nor the Bucs.
This year, the Raiders rank 13th overall in Passing TD's, and the Bucs 17th. In overall offensive scoring (both rushing and passing TD's), the Raiders rank 12th (24 passing, 12 rushing), while the Bucs rank 28th (21 passing, 5 rushing).
Again, to say that DC has held this franchise back, and to think that Tom Brady would fare any better here is absurd. The problem is the front office and coaches/coaching carousel. This was DC's worst year as Raiders QB, and let's look at his stats. He ranks 11th in passing yards this season, 8th in passing TD's, 1st in interceptions, 10th in passing attempts, 12th in completions, 16th in completion % with QBs who have more than 400 attempts, and has been sacked 24 times.
I'm sorry, you cannot argue intelligently that Derek Carr is the problem, or that given an opportunity to with a better product on the field could lead this team to a Super Bowl.
Ghost, I agree the difference is leadership. Brady has had stable leaders that would listen to him, Carr has not. That starts at the top with Mark Davis. Lack of leadership is why the Raiders have not won, and Tom Brady won't change it.
To paraphrase a quote by Emmanuel Acho and Tony Dungy, if the Raiders think they will get a tenured, veteran QB like Brady after the way they just treated Derek Carr, it shows the issues with this team. Bottom line, we will be lucky to get Baker Mayfield.
Preach on Nate 75 you are speaking truth. This is the lowest point for the Raiders. Mark is an ass and McDaniels a loser. I hope Derek tells them to stuff their trade up their ass and gets to walk as a FA and do great somewhere else. What has happened this year is insane I mean if you tried to purposley ruin the team you culd not have done better
Sandy
So, the word is, McDaniels and Zeigler were on board playing Carr but Mark Davis choked that plan. Makes sense because McDaniels has a lot invested in teaching Carr his complex offense. By Davis pulling rank and sitting Carr, he is setting McDaniels up for more failure. Whoever plays QB next year will be well behind whatever progress McDaniels made with Carr, and McDaniels probably doesn't have the luxury of time (like Gruden did).
But this thing goes deeper. Players stand behind Carr the man but after listening to player interviews, I'm not certain players are still 100% on board with Carr the QB. They've seen what we've seen, up close, e.g., Carr's recent inability to find open receivers and make accurate throws.
Josh Jacobs had a revealing interview. He stated he wants to be a Raider and didn't care about money ("I have enough money"). He didn't sound like someone who was pissed off at his coach for benching his QB. Adams has been the biggest victim during Carr's skid. And Crosby is focused on playing football, period.
IMO, it sounds like players are ready to move on.
Carr has been less than spectacular this year. Perhaps he could grow into McDaniels system, but he's only gotten worse in it. Regardless of the reason, that's troubling.
Players will want to rally around Stidham but I fear they will get crushed by a better team and better coaching. The 49ers game stands to be the final demoralizing nail in the coffin of this season. In the end, Mark Davis probably did Derek Carr a huge favor by sending him home.
So instead of showing the coach the door, he shows his best player the door, and did him a huge favor? Nope. He just gave the bird to the fans of his organization. He may be setting McDaniels up for failure, but sending DC home is not the answer when he could have been a presence on the sidelines.
Players are not happy about it, but what can they do? They can only control what they control, and of course they have to play and prepare without Carr; but look at their body language, and listen to how they say things. No one on this team is happy Carr is gone.
Nate, I disagree with your assessment. Nice guys sometimes finish last. Have you watched the interviews, or the last few games for that matter? You said in an earlier post that you stopped watching the games. Carr has been terrible. He's regressed at a time when he should be acclimating. Adams doesn't just want targets, he needs the ball to be catchable.
Good thing for the Raiders, the FA QB market appears wide open this year. Brady, Garoppolo and Baker Mayfield perhaps top the list. The Raiders can draft a top 3 QB this year (some pundits believe this year QB class is pretty good - IDK). I don't see Bridgewater, but maybe Geno Smith. Minshew has had flashes. Lamar Jackson? Sam Darold? Hell, maybe the Pats will let Mac Jones go. He learned McDaniels offense in one year better than Carr did. Mike White's had flashes with NYJ.
Lots of pretenders on the FA list too. Hopefully, we don't take a step backwards. That's on Mark Davis. He's the one (not McDaniels) forcing Carr out.
NY, give me a fucking break. Carr has not been terrible this year say that is disrespectful he's played behind the worst offensive line I've seen since Rory Graves played for the Raiders. Josh McDaniels is a clown he never had the locker room believing in him he's a loser. The Raiders will not find a quarterback better than Carr for next year. Look at your list Baker Mayfield Sam Darnold Mac Jones they are awful. This is no longer a Raiders team they gave up on the last two games of the season what's self-respecting franchise does that whatever happened to just win baby, the team is a joke McDaniels and Mark Davis did that to us and we should be outraged as fans. Sandy
Hardly disrespectful to say Carr was bad on Sunday, nor other games which he clearly was not dialed in.
I get the frustration but Carr arguably just had his worst season as a pro, losing 6-7 games which he controlled the ball with a chance to tie or win but failed to do so. The Raiders (Mark Davis) is responding to that and the fact that Carr has been given nine years to get it right.
McDaniels has been bad all year but these end of game situations come down to the QB and execution. Carr had it last year but lost it this year. I don't know why, but it's not all on McDaniels, nor is it all on Carr. Plenty of blame to go around. And I disagree strongly that McDaniels lost the locker room. He's nowhere near Del Rio territory. Jacobs just stated he wants to stay with the Raiders, and that was after Carr got benched. So I don't know where you're forming that opinion.
I guess if I had to sum it up, I can't defend Carr or McDaniels for the season I just watched. Can you? Reasonably and rationally?
Yes I can because Carr has proven plenty during the 9 years he's been here. He's led and played well through terrible dysfunction terrible defense and most of the time mediocre offensive weapons. This year he was saddled with probably the worst offensive line in the NFL a brand new system and a terrible defense hence why his stats are down. Regardless how either of us feel as I posted previously don't you think it's a terrible combination of disrespect not just to Carr but to the team and to the fan base to give up with two games to go. Not to mention they've now backed themselves into a corner as it relates to trying to get any compensation for Carr another dumb move by Ziegler. I predict at most they'll get a second round pick if not nothing at all and end up with a quarterback who's inferior. But hey if you want to find the silver lining and all that go ahead. You're right McDaniels hasn't lost the locker room cuz he never had it the guys a dweeb, he's a soft loser who is not head coaching material. Sandy
Media reported that McDaniels and Ziegler were on board with Carr playing out the season (then going into an evaluation process). The decision to bench him apparently came from Mark Davis, who was (I'm guessing) making a business decision.
It does seem disrespectful in the context you present it, however, it's certainly understandable that Davis isn't willing to risk $40M on Carr playing two meaningless games. That's just the way Carr's contract was written. It's also written to prevent the Raiders from receiving any trade value without incredible financial risk.
I'm trying to view this from both sides. I'm sure we agree that Carr deserves another year in the system more than McDaniels does. However, as bad as the O-line started out, they have blocked for the NFL rushing leader and pass blocked reasonably well after 15 games. Carr has struggled despite that, and having the best WR of his pro career.
I don't know what to make of it all. The Raiders could be making a wise choice, or they could be taking 5 steps backwards. I really don't have a firm opinion on which might be true.
The one thing nobody seems to be talking about (media or otherwise) is the possibility that Carr returns. Davis almost certainly benched Carr to protect his financial interests. But McDaniels and Zeigler presumably will make the final call on who plays QB. They have a lot invested in Carr, and Carr's career stats (on bad Raiders teams) demonstrate he is better than the season he just finished. Plus, if and when the reality sets in that Adams might not want to play for the Raiders if Carr exits, that could be a factor as well.
This isn't entirely over, IMO.
Another thing to watch, if the Raiders do go on the hook for injury guarantees, it could be the start of a trade brewing. Unlikely we will know anything until after it happens.
Per media source, Carr has removed all references to the Raiders on his Twitter profile.
Ok, that has more finality to it. Perhaps more to your point, Sandy, this feels more like a bad breakup than simply a business decision.
NY, Here is one thing I do know, Raider fans are getting shafted just like the last 20 years. Happy New Year. Sandy
NY, I have kept up with highlights, and I know he is not playing well. I'm fine with benching him, but he was sent home by Mark Davis and JMcD; and agreed to leave at that point. He will not be traded for two reasons. First, he has a no trade clause. After what they just did to him, you think he is going to do them any favors? Second, nobody can be traded until the new football year (which begins in March) and the Raiders have to make a decision on him by Feb 15th. Again, unless they are able to barter a deal to move that timeline, and again, why would DC do them any favors?
Another disturbing sign. At Raiders' stores, not only is DC's jersey 50% off, so is Josh Jacobs' jersey and Darren Waller's jersey. Why? Jacobs ain't coming back, Waller will be cut as well. The only player going to be traded is Davante Adams. The plan, according to multiple sources right now, is DC will be replaced by Brady, and Waller will be replaced by Gronk. Don't know who Jacobs will be replaced by at this point.
My question. What happened to being committed to excellence and winning? After Al died, and Hue Jackson led this team to 8-8, he fired Hue. Hired Reggie McKenzie and Allen, then fired Allen and hired Del Rio, who took the Raiders to the playoffs with a 12-4 Record (led by DC). That offseason, fired Musgrave (the only OC who had great success with Carr), and later Del Rio and hired Gruden who immediately started trading and cutting players to build on; and later fire McKenzie who had brought this team out of the depths and replaced him with Mayock.
Sure, we got some good players, but it wasn't until after Gruden left, did the Raiders start winning again, and Bisaccia had them one play away from beating the Bengals, only to be let go and bring in the current clowns. Now we are back to letting our core group of players go.
Time for Mark Davis to be held accountable, he truly does not want the Raiders to be successful. He only cares about the $$$.
No way McDaniels and Ziegler were not in agreement or even driving the Carr decision. Davis is too stupid to do things completely on his own. He is just covering for them at this point telling Tafur and other writers it was him that wanted Carr gone.
Ziegler needs to take more heat. His offseason moves with the exception Davante Adams were awful. Everyone knew the o-line sucked he brought in no one knew except Pranham who looks crap see what Heyward did against him. We all knew Carr needs a clean pocket and sitting on a ton of cap spaces he does nothing to help. Then McDaniels compunds the problem by not deciding on a starting o-line until game 5, that is insane.
Same goes with the defense Rock Ya Sin for Heywood was a latral move, same for Jones for Yannick and then he jettisoned productive tackles like Jefferson and Philon while not improving the seconary at all. Seriously we got undrafted guys such as Webb starting in multiple positions.
Raiders are full of shit
Sandy
IDK, media tell us $40M decisions come from Mark Davis. Makes sense, but I believe McDaniels and Zeigler were in agreement, especially, after the Steelers game.
It's too exhausting to even speculate all the possibilities moving forward but if history tells us anything, the Raiders will still screw up. What have they gotten right?
Happy New Year!
Home listening to the first quarter and Stidham goes thru the 49ers defense on the first drive like a hot knife thru butter. Certainly, the game isn't over, but frig. Stidham used short passes, his legs, and a TD to Waller. 6 Plays, 70 Yards.
Good for Stidham!
WOW, looks like Derek was a bigger part of the problem than many had guessed.
Would really like to be a fly in the wall in Carr's house right now.
That was one hell of a game, SF knew they were in a very tough game today.
It looks like they have found the new QB, who would have known? Over 500 yds against arguably the top D. It bodes well for next year, always next year.
Get some help on the D through the draft, through Free Agents, STAT.
Get a decent RT and RG, if Stidham can do this to a top D, then he is the next one for now. Sign Jacobs, Mark is going to roll with McDaniels, it is what it is, this is what we have to endorse now, until it falls apart of course.
Carr would have been sacked a lot in this game and probably fumble too, Stidham has good pocket presence and can make a play out of the pocket, unlike Derek. Stidham was more comfortable than Derek ever was in this O, maybe this O was not made for Derek's strengths? I hope this doesn't lower the trade value for Carr, but I am sure it will.
If this is the new standard, then it better carry over to next year or else. Or else I will never be a fan again? This sets a high bar and it better be kept. Or else?
Watching highlights of the game. Another double digit lead was blown where the offense disappears in 3rd Quarter, Carr not the problem. It is funny to me how McD was calling plays that move Stidham out of the pocket, but wouldnt do it for Carr. This game definitely proves he set up Carr to fail. Just Entertain, Baby. Committed to Excrement!
Carr not the problem? You need to watch the game. Carr can't make plays out of the pocket.
Agree with Nate75, other than no goal line sneak McDaniels didn't call any reverses etc and let Stidman audible as opposed to Carr. Another 10 point blown lead.
Niners, arguably the best team in the league and the Raiders went toe to toe with them and could have beat them. I see this as something positive, if this can be the standard moving forward, I can live with that. The team sent their #1 QB home and then they give a performance like that, that to me, is good news. If they would have come out flat and got rolled over, then I would be bummed too, but that wasn't the case.
I don't know if Carr "can't use his legs", but he certainly hasn't use them much through his career. Carr mainly stays in pocket, and holds ball. This had to be very frustrating to Wr's that may have been open, and to Oline, trying to block extra long periods of time.
Stidham used legs to extend plays, and make plays. It's today's NFL, a lot of Qb's can run as good as they throw. When you use "spread" offense, there's not much blocking for Qb. If he can't move, he's a sitting duck. Remember the days of "Max protection" for QB ? those days are gone.
Exceptions are Brady, and Burrow. They read defenses so fast, and get rid of ball before pressure arrives. Special skills that most Qb's don't have.
Not sure I see Stidham as the Raiders QB of the future but he had a hell of a game. I agree, one of Carr's biggest flaws is his reluctance to run with the ball. When he was pressed by his coaches to run, the results were usually good. Having that threat opens up the offense.
IMO, it's time to dispense with bashing the Raiders O-line. It took time to assemble but this unit is above average, blocking for the NFL's leading rusher and giving up no sacks yesterday (and below-avg sacks on the year despite Carr regularly lingering in the pocket). Let's not forget McDaniels was strapped with Leatherwood, Simpson and Cotton Jr. Easy to say they should have seen it coming but Leatherwood was a 1st rd pick and Good retired.
The elephant in the room is the defense. 5 losses by surrendering leads of 10 or more points in the second half.
I don't understand a scheme which leaves the middle of the field consistently wide open. Nate Hobbs has his moments but he's a buster far too often. Some plays he looks like a WR in his route, with little regard for being a defender. He and Moehrig were called for back-to-back PIs that killed the D. Guys regularly over-pursue or stay on blocks instead of shedding them to make a tackle.
IMHO, McDaniels had some level of vindication yesterday. It was far from perfect, but the offense was more dynamic and Stidham ran it as well as Carr. Hard to blame Stidham for either INT but either of those likely cost the Raiders a win.
Hell of a game, toe to toe with the best D in the NFL. Stidham probably deserves a chance to compete next year at QB, but let's hope the Raiders have bigger plans.
McDaniels has some level of vindication. They lost after having a 10-point lead in the second half. Good God man what are your standards
Really?
With Stidham at QB, the Raiders had 500 yards of offense and scored 34 pts against the best defense in the league, after scoring only 10 pts with Carr the week before in a game which Carr was wildly inaccurate.
Hell, the entire team seemed relieved, presumably, to see the offense work so well.
I have no idea what happens behind the scenes. I've been here pimping Carr since he was drafted, so don't point a finger at me for calling balls and strikes. Maybe when the dust settles, we'll get to hear Carr's side of the story. That should be interesting and revealing, because I trust Carr to speak truthfully.
As for the defense giving up another double-digit lead, that's a separate issue. I never said McDaniels had "total" vindication.
Derek is not going to have his say soon, but David will on Harvester Sports podcast (his nephews and sons). Don't know when it will come out, but I am watching for it on Twitter.
I still do not understand how the Raiders can make a trade with a team for Derek, given that there cannot be a trade before March 1st, and the Raiders have to make a decision by Feb 15th.
My understanding of trade is that the Raiders have a tiny bit of leverage which Carr might make more money under his current contract via trade than he could do on the open market. But teams know the Raiders are in a tough spot, so compensation might not be worth the risk. I'm guessing Mark Davis isn't willing to go out on that limb.
That was hard to watch last night. I think everyone knows in the back of their minds, what actually happened last night. This trend is called SADS, it is a sudden death syndrome that Dr's are saying can't be explained. It started since the jab roll out. I hate to say it, but we are going to be witnessing this more and more as time rolls on. We've seen it through the entertainment industry with entertainers dropping like flies on stage and off. We've seen it on the Soccer field and in the stands, many fans dropping during games and they have to stop the games there too. They really did a number on us.
The standards for the Raiders is to win. What we saw on Sunday shows the team can win and play at a high level. Yes the D needs to be re-done and the O-line shored up, we know that, but what the team did on Sunday should give us hope. Maybe this year was mostly the cutting off of Derek Carr? Maybe Mark wanted him gone a while back and McDaniels agreed? Watching Boomer Esiason talk about Carr and maybe going to the Jets, he explained that Carr is not made for the East Coast/cold weather and I agree. Plus other factors that didn't make Carr a fit for McDaniels. The team is in transition again, nothing we can do about it, except to support it until it has proven to be a failure. Here's hoping for a very good draft and some more picks from the Carr trade, if a trade happens.
So many directions this could go. Raiders could end up with Tom Brady throwing to Adams and Renfrow and possibly Waller (or even Gronk).
To be sure, this is going to be a crazy off-season. Good or bad, the Raiders will be going through biggest change(s) in a decade. Keeping Adams has to be a top priority right now. He's the reason the Raiders might sign a top FA QB.
Honestly, if the Raiders don't sign Brady and end up with Minshew or some lateral move from Derek Carr, it's going to look really bad. Hopefully, they have a plan!
That's the thing right there NY. I am not sold that they have a plan. That is why I despise this move right now. Going after Brady is not a guarantee that they will get him. After what he just witnessed what they did with Carr, and the season Brady himself is having (statistically, Carr is better than Brady this season, and the Bucs only have one more win); I'm not sure Brady comes.
Baker Mayfield is not an upgrade either. This was Stidham's first start, how is he going to fair not only next week, but when he becomes a consistent starter? Will he consistently put these numbers up like Carr did?
One thing is absolutely certain, players within the Raiders organization are not happy with how DC was handled; at the same time, they are all saying that DC was not in the right mindset this year as he has normally been. There was something going on behind the scenes that we don't know. After last season, alone, maybe DC just needed a mental break from it all. One thing for sure, Derek was never the problem; he brought stability to a dysfunctional team; and unfortunately, I don't see the dysfunction leaving anytime soon.
Nate, I agree with you 💯 percent. The bottom line is whoever is qb next year will not be better than Carr. Massive disrespect to the fan base and to Carr and the other players. I think guys like New York and the various anons forgot about the days of Andrew Walter or Bruce Gradkowski to name two of 10. As for the pea brain who said last night's injury to the Bills player was due to the covid vaccine that's incredibly heartless and disrespectful not to mention idiotic. Sandy
heartless, you mean like saying people should not be allowed in society if they don't take the jab? If you haven't noticed, what we witnessed last night is happening around the world. It's called SADS and it started with the jab roll outs. Don't call others idiots if you haven't even bothered to find some truth. Heartless is ignoring that this is going on and pretending it isn't happening. Children are now being poisoned with jabs because of people who don't know the facts and continue to take liars word as truth. I would bet that most athletes who saw what happened last night, are really beginning to wonder what they have done. As are many reg people and they should. There is nothing worse than an angry Karen/Kevin who has no idea how to think for themselves. They told you it was safe and effective, meanwhile, the jabbed are getting sick over and over and lots of evidence of heart problems and blood clots.
Andrew Walter? Geez! Is that what we should expect? Raiders also had Rich Gannon and Carson Palmer, and even Jason Campbell lit up a few teams before Carr was drafted. Don't go back too far because 8-9 wins used to be a bad season for the Raiders, no matter who played QB.
Today's NFL is different. Look what Brock Purdey, Mr. Irrelevant, has done in SF. Unless your name is Tom Brady or Aaron Rogers, you probably need to run once in a while to keep drives from stalling. It was good enough for Rich Gannon but, for some reason, and for all his size and athleticism, Carr has never taken to that approach.
Listen, putting McDaniels on notice to get it right, or else, is probably better than strapping him with a QB next year that he clearly could not mesh with after an entire off-season and 15 live games. Right or wrong, McDaniels is the one surviving the 2022 disaster.
My evolving opinion is that if Jarrett Stidham can throw up numbers like Sunday, then he's probably not the only QB who can do so under McDaniels. It's up to McDaniels to find the right guy. Stidham is clearly a quality backup option, and most likely safety net for McDaniels and Zeigler, should they screw up again.
Carr isn't the only QB in the universe and he is not the best QB in the world. The team played their asses off for the new QB, what does that tell you? Maybe you should accept that his time was up and he can move on to his next challenge. Raiders can move on from him and the new regime can get the QB they want. You seem like a very butt hurt person.
Here is a great article by Hondo Carpenter on the Raiders and the DC situation, and how it played out:
https://www.si.com/nfl/raiders/the-black-hole-plus/derek-carr-josh-mcdaniels-dave-ziegler-jarrett-stidham-las-vegas-raiders-mark-davis
I saw that, Nate. It's a pretty good perspective, aside from the author constantly patting himself on the back. Probably as good as we can get from the cheap seats. It's a business and players know that... they say as much out loud anytime something like this happens. Nobody is down on Carr, the man, and it appears they gave him every chance to meld into McDaniels system with full intention of Carr staying put (as his contract implies). But the Steelers game was eyepopping. Looks like that's when things quickly got re-evaluated.
Ex Jag's player just died from a heart problem on Jan 2nd. The Bills player had to be resuscitated in the hospital and on the field. If it were an injury from a hit, the 2nd failure would not have happened. Also, news says that he was boosted the day after xmas. This cannot be ignored any longer, where is the outrage?
Looked like a garden variety tackle. The second resuscitation has to bring into question if it was even football related. Hope he's okay!
https://www.bitchute.com/video/9no1DplQRwG9/
here is the player for the Jag's that just passed. He is pushing the jab and mocking those who did not take it, he also admits that he was jabbed recently. It's a very uncomfortable subject, but it needs to be brought to light. No more heads in the sand, this is real.
Send us the one on how the earth is flat lol
That's all you have? A very poor attempt at a discredit routine? You don't like the message, so you attack the messenger, but you aren't a coward, right? How bout you post one showing that it is safe and effective? That there are no side effects? Show us that one.
The Steelers game and players saying he was different and had a different mind set this season is what tells me that something is off with him. I love Carr, and I still don't like how his situation was handled, business or not. The fact is, the Raiders stand to lose one of their captains with no return. Meaning, they and the media boobs are all talking trade value, but Derek can (and should say) "Cut me." He does not owe the Raiders anything.
With that said, McDaniels' saying Carr isn't the scapegoat and that there are problems across the board of the team. What bothers me, is Carr was not given a chance to thrive in his system like another QB might. If it was a business decision was it concerning his salary, and did McDaniels' and Ziegler talk about that with him to find a solution to if he was willing to renegotiate to help the team? Was all sides of the business aspects explored before the decision was made? From the sounds of the article, it wasn't; it was all performance-based on his 7th coach in 9 years; in a season where it seems he hasn't been himself.
So the article was good in perspective, but raised a lot more questions than answers. I don't think Derek gives them an opportunity for a trade, he will be released, and he will sign a new deal, maybe cheaper than what he will get, in order to win.
IMO, Carr struggled under McDaniels system and appeared to regress as the season went on. The Steelers game was eyepopping. In his career, Carr been a gunslinger under ideal conditions, but he's also been bad against pressure and bad in cold weather. Those elements are tough to avoid in the NFL. Also, he doesn't run until he's reminded by his coaches that's part of the game (avoiding pressure and extending drives).
If the Raiders were even on the fence, sitting him to avoid a $40M injury guaranty is actually a no-brainer. Everyone involved knew that.
Another thought is that Carr is a scapegoat for a bad defense. Patrick Graham probably deserves to be fired, but that's not happening.
But my take is that McDaniels career as HC is on the line and, as much as he (everybody) likes Derek Carr, he doesn't want to leave his career in Carr's hands. If McDaniels fails, his HC career is done. And he's a young guy.
There's real urgency to this situation. Actually, I can appreciate that, and it gives me hope. This isn't like Gruden getting a 10-year contract. There's finality to this, and it's happening in real time. Be sure they will do everything they can as fast as they can to correct the trajectory of the team.
Carr can wait to be released and like you wrote, will probably have to sign for less if that is the case. But, if Carr doesn't want to forfeit his contract, he can agree to a trade and keep the contract.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/rIarls3hRNBG/
Former NBA great John Stockton talks about this subject.
I think it's actually George Soros using lasers from space lol, wait maybe this is how JFK was killed
Mixed feelings about today's game.
It means something to the players, especially, Adams and Jacobs who leave everything on the field. What Raiders fan doesn't appreciate that?
On the other hand, losing today could mean a lot in the draft. The swing in draft seeding ranges from pick #6 to #11 depending on outcomes of 4 games this weekend.
Meanwhile, Stidham is auditioning for his next gig, which could be with the Raiders. A few choice passes to Adams could make a huge difference for him, win or lose. When you're as good as Adams, one way or other you get to pick your QB.
Since Patrick Graham is not taking any blame for 2022, expect significant changes in personnel next year. IMO, Crosby is the only player on D who deserves to be safe.
I expect Mahomes to carve up the Raiders D, which has no answer for Kelce, certainly not Moehrig, and not the two corners only who barely stand to Kelce's waist. Tillery was brought in to pressure the QB but run defense has suffered since he arrived. With Jones out, Ferrell is auditioning for his next gig. At the right price, he's probably a serviceable backup.
Chiefs have issues of their own on defense.
If Jacobs runs crazy today, like he's capable of doing, he could break Marcus Allen's single-season franchise record (in 17 games!). So there are a few subplots which make today's game interesting.
The Chiefs need this game to secure a bye. Setting the Chiefs back a notch definitely has meaning. This game is for pride.
In the end, the best outcome is probably one which the Raiders lose a well-played, well-coached close game which leaves the team, the org and the fans believing. Best case scenario.
Go Raiders.... sort of.
I wasn't aware of this, but after beating the Raiders, the Colts have lost 6 straight games.
Wow!
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