Patriots Gameday Thread
I've been doing this a long time, and I'm hard pressed to think of another season that was this exhausting and disappointing. There's outright sucking, we've seen numerous years of that. There's been promising seasons that fizzled toward the end. And there's been a few playoff seasons that were never destined to go much farther than the first round.
But this season, wow. There's just no conceivable reason for several of these losses, and these same losses have been a pivot point between abject failure and playoff aspirations. We're talking about history-making meltdowns, with the latest one against the Rams being the nail in the coffin of a mini-resurgence of actual playoff hopes.
Anyhow, just had to get that off my chest. Now we're playing for...pride? Signs of heart and life? Momentum heading into 2023? You name it. All I can say for now is: GO RAIDERS!
posted by Raider Take at 1:22 PM
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Pre-snap penalties at home. Carr needs to be better.
Can the Raiders hold a 2-TD lead?
We know what their record says.
With a minute plus left in 1st half Raiders stop Pats forcing a punt but McDaniels chooses not to use one of his 3 timeouts??? Thank goodness for the blocked punt. McDaniels is completely inept and clueless sometimes. Its that type of coaching decisions that have caused multiple game meltdowns.
Raider Mike
what a(nother) ridiculous season, what a ridiculous team. It's like they come out in the 2nd halves and just don't care. It's so absurd that the only plausible explanation must be that they are throwing games. How can they be so together in the 1st half and so apart in 2nd halves? They should have an omni-potent offense, it's only a pop gun offense, no Adams again, Waller hardly used, this game had that stench again, hard to watch.
Wow, another great Raider finish to a game. This one will go down as a zanny, crazy, wacky type. Kind of like the Holy Roller. It's amazing how bad this team has played, it's had some good spots, but mostly mediocre and they are still in contention for a playoff game. If this team could ever get it's poop together, they would be dangerous, something is really holding them back.
Carr was directing the O on the final drive in the 4th qrtr. He was making the calls and look at what happened. Why McDaniels doesn't want Carr controlling the LOS and calling his own plays at the line, is mind boggling. It is one of Carr's best attributes.
Jones is really making an impact in games, good to see. Raiders missed the big guy at DT, Patriots were running at will. Need some play makers at DB. O-line holding it together for the most part.
Maybe one day, this team, from the coaches to the players, will figure out that they have to play hard for 60 minutes.
I herby name this game THE SIN CITY SHOCKER
Not ridiculous!
you said the model franchise/ Patriots'/ NFL way was the best way.
you said the Raiders needed a new culture.
you said owners aren't supposed to 'meddle' with their staffs.
you said you wanted the Pats' guys because they'd bring more ideas from Bellichick's system.
* Now, why are we suddenly calling the Raiders a bad team?
nobody makes/ made bad decisions except Al!
being cheap and getting affordable players is the best way to start winning.
It takes 10 years to rebuild a team('12-present).
Oh, and with all the dysfunction from the Gruden regime it might take another year to win.
They are what you wanted:
focused on money instead of football
smart with their money they won't even
with the salary cap.
cooperating with the league- that's why we don't have elite college players the Raiders have to prove there's no Al era spots left on this team. they have to be more conservative and Patriot like than the NFL's favorite model franchises. reach for players and coach 'em up and, no group big, fast, powerful athletes on this team maybe a few but not a lot.
* The Raiders won but should we start talking Pats' guys again?
They don't play good D.
This isn't a game you should be celebrating, it should be 1 you should be questioning the front office about.
This is not the kind of football winning teams play. Its' mediocrity beating a team making mistakes or 1 that is injury hit.
Al wasn't too crazy about celebrating after clinching a playoff birth before winning 1 playoff game. But this is something we have seen a lot this year.
No, but here some fans go- oh, the Pats' guys are just learning and we look good and we should support them because they know what they're doing and will build us a playoff team next year.
We won but did we get better? Is this the kind of football we wanted?
Should we get back on the Pats' guys train or make big complaints about this teams' mediocre system? We almost always go with their game plans and when the Raiders suck or do strange things like blow a lot of leads and win by other teams' mistakes some of us feel that's o.k. No, we need to complain to the Raiders about not trying harder to make a better 1 and not spending to bring in star talent to help win and hyping promises instead of doing more to win but trying to focus on making more money and more next year.
It is what it is, crying about yesteryear isn't going to help anything. We all know the story, trying to rewrite history doesn't change it.
Mark Davis has invested a lot of cash into his coaches, he might be forced to ride this one out. Many of us were expecting better than what we are seeing and there is nothing we can do about it, except to view and comment.
What pissed me off the most in today's game was the fact that half the crowd was Pat fans. Everyone discussed this possibility when they moved to Vegas. If I were to have it my way, the Raiders would be in Oakland with a new stadium. But again, it is what it is, you can either accept that or take a hike.
If we are going to give this game a name like the Sea of Hands, the Holy Roller, Ghost to the Post, etc; I have to name this one simply "The Throwback Win." I can't even say this was a great win, as much as it was an Uncanny Win. Give it to the Raiders to win the only way the Raiders can win, and that is going back in time to their uncanny ways for the "Throwback Win."
The Raiders again with a big lead disappeared and tried to steal defeat out of the jaws of victory for the 5th time this season. I said it last week, and I will say it again this week, I've never seen any football team play Prevent Offense.
I agree Raider Mike, I thought Josh McDaniels would be about the minor details of games, and he seems clueless. More so than Gruden and Bisaccia did. So many egregious calls and non-calls this season by McDaniels. The Raiders went and put the best offense together that we've had in years, and one that should rival the Gannon, Rice, Brown, Gardner/Wheatley years; and to be such an utter failure falls squarely on McDaniels' shoulders. Deplorable.
Looks like the Patriots, not the Raiders, were at the receiving end of bad officiating.
Officiating is just bad across the league.
Patriots were also at the wrong end of a boneheaded play, so Ferrell and Tillery catch a break and the Raiders can take a week off from the abuse of being stupid. Or can they? That was a pretty sloppy game, led by Carr telegraphing his intent to throw to Adams and giving the Patriots a Jack Squirek. Is Carr on a pick-six tour?
And while the Raiders defense was torched on the ground, it was really the ineptitude of the offense that allowed the Patriots back in the game. Raiders are regularly outcoached by second half adjustments.
There are so many games we can point to this year that, played smartly, we'd be looking at an entirely different end to this season. Hopefully, nobody is taking a bow for this game... except maybe Chandler Jones who did not waste his opportunity by making the catch, throwing a great stiff-arm destroying Mac Jones, then sealing the deal.
Carr with two pick sixes this season, and the one yesterday was absolutely atrocious. Again, the tale of two halves for the Raiders. They play well one half, and suck it up the second. Again, taking a double digit lead, and blowing it; but this time they walk away with a win.
I am having a difficult time with this team. I am no longer watching the games live, and will watch highlights if they win, and if they lose, I don't even want to see it. The only game I've watched live this year is the Rams game last week. At this point, I'm not sure we can ever turn it around. They need to prove me wrong before I jump back on board, watch live, and buy merchandise from the team.
Like i've been saying, they ALWAYS make it interesting. Nearly every game has come with a shocking storyline or last-second outcome. Nice to be on the good side of a bonehead loss for once.
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Carr watches the play.
Mike Florio, a known Raider-Hater, made an interesting point. He said the Patriots dynasty started with the Tuck Game and may have ended with this game. It ended when Tom Brady left.
Small consolation that we might have knocked the Patriots out of the playoffs.
Hondo Carpenter wrote an interesting article about Carr's future. Very well written with a very good perspective. Summing it up, McDaniels and the Raiders like Carr and do not want to move on from him. However, IF one of the few QB's they deem better than Carr wants to come along and start, they would be willing to entertain that offer. Here's the link:
https://www.si.com/nfl/raiders/the-black-hole-plus/josh-mcdaniels-dave-ziegler-tom-brady-derek-carr-mark-davis-las-vegas-raiders
Watched the end of the Pats game again and noticed something that has plagued the Raiders this year. Second to last possession of the game, Adams was in a crossing route on 3rd down and Carr threw him a strike in stride, but Waller made a play for the ball and knocked the ball away. How many times has that happened this year, including the collision between Adams and Renfrow, with two receivers are in the same spot at the same time? Who's drawing up these plays??
Raiders offense was grossly outplayed in the second half, and the TD to Cole was out of bounds. Sure, a win is a win, but the Raiders look bad in the process.
Franco Harris died (RIP!).
If it wasn't already, this week's game just became all about the Steelers.
The NFL just lost a great player!
Franco Harris Penn State 1 of the best full backs in NFL history and a HOFer.
part of the Steelers' 'Italian Army'.
wore #32
One of the tallest FBs' in NFL history.
caught the ball in the famous playoff game against Oakland- known as the "immaculate reception".
was one of the top NFL rushers of all-time for years as a FB.
won 4 super bowls with the Steelers.
I watched him play for years and he played in some of the best games ever against the Raiders in the 70s'.
He didn't get as much fame as other Steelers but was a top player in the 70s'.
One of the best FBs' of all-time.
He wasn't as talented as Browns' J. Brown or Miami's L. Czonka but at times could make a big play to help win a game(immaculate reception).
I will remember the Steelers'- Raiders' games he played in. Franco playing made it more of a battle and those were some of the greatest games and most fun I had watching the NFL.
RIP Franco
Florio’s take: The Steelers will dig deep to properly honor the memory of Franco Harris.
That's exactly what I'm concerned about. I believe the Raiders need to be better than they've been in order to win this game. Raiders have surrendered a tie or loss in 5 games which they had a double-digit lead at halftime. That's ineptitude on an epic level.
Compound that with a road game on the east coast, during a winter freeze. I'm not feeling it.
Not for nothing, but I had some extra time today and surfed some videos on Raiders.com. Hearing Maxx Crosby, Chandler Jones and others, it's apparent the players love Josh McDaniels. After Chandler Jones TD against the Pats, Jones stopped in the middle of a press interview to hug McDaniels.
It's not just a few players, it's the leaders on the team right down. I am very encouraged by that.
Regarding Saturday, Carr does not have a good history playing in cold weather (and it's friggin cold), but you can be sure that Adams does. And Jacobs and Crosby are ready under any conditions.
One final thought. I don't know how the Raiders could possibly justify not re-signing Jacobs. The team just made him a Captain. I'd like to see White more, but Jacobs is the man. There's no denying it. Raiders MVP!
Merry Christmas everyone!
Good bye playoffs. Question into 2023, will the Raiders ever learn to play 60 minutes of football? Will Mark Davis rid of McDaniels and hire Sean Payton? Geesh, I'm tired of this crap.
Fun Facts,
Franco Harris passed, Steelers RB was named Harris tonight.
It was the same score as 50 yrs ago, Raiders up 10-6 and then it happened.
The announcers never mentioned the score being the same, find that odd?
Carr looked like he was paying off a debt, he was way off in the 2nd half, 3 pics? Missed Adams multiple times, missed Renfrow more than once. It's so odd to see a team play at a certain level and then completely flip in the 2nd half of games. This has happened more times then not, it has to be addressed because something is wrong there. Coaching? Players losing focus? what is it?
Quite simple, it was the coaching. In cold weather you have to pound the ball. Sure, Jacobs had a rough game (15 carries, 44 yards); but he only touched the ball 5 times in the second half, while Carr threw it 30 times. Coaches will talk about execution, but last night, again, was offensive play calling. Defense did their part. Win, (mostly) Lose, or Tie; Raiders 'til I die.
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