Broncos Gameday Thread
Well, it wouldn't be another start to a Raiders season without some sort of nonsense. Hello, Chandler Jones!
Honestly, I don't know what to expect this year. I wish I was more hopeful. This could break a lot of ways. With a repeat performance by Jacobs, a healthy Jimmy G and some improvement in the secondary, who knows. But there's something about this whole McDaniels-Ziegler era that's giving me the heebee-jeebees. Is it too late to go back in time and hire Doug Pederson? Haha.
Anyhow, here we are: GO RAIDERS!
posted by Raider Take at 7:39 AM
48 Comments:
Raiders by 7
Carr looks bad
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Agreed. This could go many directions. It's still hard to believe the Raiders could have had the NFL's rushing leader and best WR and only win 6 games. Patrick Graham and his defense were that bad, and sometimes so was Carr and McDaniels' play calling.
What little I saw of Jimmy G this offseason, he did not look sharp. O'Connell was the best QB, but he's far too inexperienced to just through in there against a defense (and coaching) as good as the Broncos have. Jimmy G will need to show us he was just rusty. I'm willing to believe that but it's all moot in about 50 minutes from this post.
Broncos at home under Sean Payton as HC with Russell Wilson at QB and their Top-5 defense. ugh!
A lot needs to happen! The Raiders will need to be better than last year's team.
Time for McDaniels and Graham to prove they can be better...!
GO RAIDERS!
Raiders all alone in 1st place.
Sloppy at times but an extremely important win (division, conference, first place!). Enjoy it!
Garoppolo mostly played well, however, in Raiders fashion, they had first and goal at the one and screwed it up. That was a little too deja vu.
Jakobi Meyers is a baller. Hope he's okay! (Mack, who?) But where's Renfrow?! Not a single target?
Jacobs was good despite his stats. Denver was playing to stop him.
Raiders lost 9 games by one point last year. This game was won by one point. Maybe Garoppolo can be the x-factor in these games but we are still standing on very shaky ground. Neither team played all that well. Luckily, the Broncos don't have a legit placekicker.
Raiders are 9.5 pt underdogs to the Bills. We get to see what that's about tonight.
In the interim, a blissful week all alone in first place.
Raiders lost 2 games by one point not 9
Different season, different game, same issues. Yes, Raiders won, and a "w" is a "w". O-line struggled the entire game, a lot of penalties and sloppiness. D-line hardly was able to push through, yet, Crosby is Crosby. Tillery was able to get Wilson because Crosby pressured Wilson right into him, and he didn't get credit for an assist. Tyree was slow off the snap, but played ok overall. Raiders need to figure out what is going on with Chandler. Better play in LB position with Spillane and Deablo, and Epps was laying the wood on the WR's.
It's the first game of the season, 16 more to go, on to the next one vs. the Bills in Buffalo. This is a huge game as the Raiders have not done well on the East Coast in a long time. Let's see how this goes.
My bad, I meant one score, not one point. Should take my own advice and proof...
Raiders went into a hostile environment, 1st game in high elevation, playing a team desperate for a win for their new HC, on top of that, the refs were up to their usual tricks. Denver has a top defense and Russell Wilson looked like his old self, for most of the game. The announcers talked the whole game about Peyton and Wilson, it was like watching the Broncos preseason crew with how one sided it was. No respect for the Raiders, as usual and they still came out on top, really like to see that.
Not sure if Jimmy's an upgrade over Carr on paper, but he seems have a certain 'magic dust' that he sprinkles around to win ugly. "Raiders all alone in first in the AFC West," hah, love it.
Saw a vid put out by Hondo Carpenter after the game. He went on to talk about fans that find the negative in everything. He was asking those who live in that realm, why do you keep being a fan? Why keep being a fan of the team if you hate every move they make? I was critical in Al's last days because he should have known better as to setup the org for his passing. To make the team as stable as he could before he left. But, it was the exact opposite. Now we have a crew that is making good moves and seems to be moving the team forward, that is all we can ask for.
Wow! That's a bit ridiculous, isn't it?
If you own a restaurant and someone orders steak and you give them a PBJ, do you tell them to sit down and STFU?
Did Hondo Carpenter just come onto the scene? Obviously, he hasn't been watching the Raiders, who personified insanity (doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results) for the better part of two decades.
Sure, it's possible that we just witnessed the most meaningful game in 20 years. We won't know until we see more. I'd like to believe your last statement is true (to the point which I'd buy another fake Raiders lottery ticket). But the jury is still out.
But, please! Don't tell Raiders fans that their past and recent criticisms weren't well-deserved. They were!
Let the fans call it as they see it, in real time. Raiders will be rewarded when they deserve it. Then the merchandise sales will follow.
IMO, and in simple terms, the primary difference between yesterday and last year was that the defense showed up and held the Broncos in check during the second half. Also, Jakobi Meyers is a huge upgrade from Mack Hollins. What a nice surprise.
Jimmy G got it done. He was pretty solid yesterday, but I agree with RT in that I'd be hesitant to call him an upgrade over Carr just yet.
JG has had good defenses to support him his whole career (NE and SF). With that, media reported Jimmy has a very respectable record of 11 comeback wins in his career.
Absent a good defense, I believe DC has 30 comeback wins in his career. That doesn't make Carr better, but you probably see the point. It still comes down to defense.
I still feel like the Raiders are weak in the middle of their D. Several critical mistakes yesterday... honestly, by both teams. Some of that will get corrected, but are they ready to play the Bills, Chiefs, etc.? Chargers and Dolphins offenses look in mid-season form.
These are the teams they need to compete with.
Perhaps the wildcard is still on offense. JG got it done yesterday without much help from Jacobs, who the Broncos absolutely targeted all day. When Jacobs has a big game (and you know he will) Jimmy G will look like a star just for managing the ball.
Can't wait to see it.
we as Raider fans know all about the history and everything in-between. Yes, we have all been critical, but there are those who have jumped all over this new regime before it even has had a chance to get rolling. Holding the current regime responsible for past failures of other regimes, seems strange to me. Yes the team has been bad for over 2 decades, yes they have faced hurdles that other teams don't even come close to. We see the league dumping on them constantly and strange occurrences with star players that is only exclusive to the Raiders. If you don't like the owner, if you don't like the GM, if you don't like the HC and you dislike most of the players, then what are you cheering for? A Raider image?
Name one team in any sports where the fans have NEVER been critical of the team? Just because there is criticism of moves being or not being made, doesn't mean we can no longer be fans of the team.
I think Hondo is talking about those who are constantly bitter at what the Raiders do (meaning, the "They can't do anything right" crowd). To be honest, I see it on Twitter every day. There are people right now bashing Tyree Wilson as a bust because he is slow off the ball; and then calling it an excuse when people point out he missed the entire training camp and most of the preseason coming off foot surgery. Really? Oh, btw, it was his FIRST NFL GAME! I don't think Khalil Mack did anything special his first NFL Game. In fact, I think he struggled for 3 or 4 weeks to find his footing. Give the kid a chance to prove himself. Again, these are the people I think Hondo is addressing.
Look, I didn't like how the whole Derek Carr situation played out, but I'm happy he moved on. I'm not a big fan of Josh McDaniels, but he is currently the Raiders' Head Coach. But, DC nor Josh McDaniels are reasons why I'm a Raiders' fan. I can't change them or the situation, but I'm going to root for the Raiders to do well and at the same time, sit back and let them prove they are about winning. If I was sitting in the owner's chair or GM chair, you bet it would be different; but I'm not. I'm going to give them a chance. At the same time, I feel Josh McD is not the HC that is going to turn it around for the Raiders. His game calling was atrocious and vanilla yesterday; but he still has a whole season to turn it around, and to do it 1 game at a time. Until then, keep winning and make me a happy Raiders' fan.
It's not about "liking" the owner, GM or HC, or the players for that matter. It's about accountability, something the Raiders have lacked at the most important echelons of their organization.
I like Mark Davis as the owner and believe he's matured into that role. I lobbied for him to bring in McDaniels, and thought it was a bonus to get Ziegler. But last year they cut our knees out from under us, taking a winning team and making them losers again. You can explain the reasons until you turn purple, but fans only want to win.
I find McDaniels to be very cerebral, more so than most Raiders HCs in recent memory. However, he's always in danger (one step away) from micromanaging. He needs to be a leader of men. The X's and O's can only take a team so far.
These guys did not build the best reputations upon arrival. They signed Carr and Waller (fan favorites) and quickly sent them packing, with little or no compensation for the Raiders. This thing with Chandler Jones is a new headscratcher. Maybe is Jones's problem alone. IDK.
I want this to work, but I don't want to take the bad with the good unless there's a prize, like a playoff win at the end.
In the interim, it's all our right to call balls and strikes. That's what makes a fan tick.
McDaniels is a good has there ever been less of an nspiring coach his post game speeches make me cringe. Garapollo is smart and a leader but he does not have Carr's arm talent. The secondary looked marginally improved, Hobbs played well and Deablo looks like the real deal. Spillane is not as good as Perryman. As for Tyree Wilson I will give him a pass given how little time he has to prepare but he looked awful like Celin Ferrel awful. I said Ziegler messed up when he drafated him over Jalen Carter who had 8 pressures yesterday. Per NY the Raiders need help in the middle of the D line. Adams and Jacob are amazing.
Sandy
Oh yeah Hondo Carptner is the most self aggrandizing clown out there. He is a total tool. He is a total fan boy
Sandy
I agree with Nate's assessment, the negative nellies who think the suffering is exclusive to themselves, we have all suffered and your suffering is no more than any other fan. I guess it makes someone feel superior to keep pointing at the negative and completely ignoring the positive. Positive is, we have some decent coaching and GM, we have good players who all want to win, the team is heading in a good direction, no matter what the nellies say. But, because this new regime hasn't won a playoff game, well, they stink?
Hey, how come I can't say that it's wrong for the Raiders to hire a woman for team prez, but Sandy can call someone every name in the book and that's ok? Hippo critt.
T Wilson hasn't played any football for a while and he was supposed to be slowly worked into the lineup, but the C Jones debacle made it so Wilson had to be used more. Obviously he is not ready, much like Jacobs was a shadow of what he was last year at this point because he has to work himself back to that point. Same goes for Wilson who has never played in the NFL until Sunday. You could see he still has some reservations about his injury, but, the funny guys can't wait to say I Told you so, much like a child. As far as Carter goes, the Raiders and others shied away because he may have discipline issues, it's way too early to be pounding your chest.
Spillane is as good as Perryman, he is a better communicator on the field, better at pass coverage and just as aggressive vs the run. He missed a couple of tackles yesterday, but so does everyone.
And wouldn't you know it, the same poster still yearns for Derek, he is on the Saints now, see ya. He is the exact fan Hondo Carpenter was speaking about.
And NY, you cannot dismiss that every time a new HC/GM is hired, they are going to shape the team in their image, Derek was no longer part of the image and Waller has completely flaked out.
Anon you are so insecure. Just looking to fight with everyone feel badly for you. BTW check out Brian Ballinger he said the same thing that Wilson looked awful, I guess you know more about football than him also. You are a very silly person. Spillane is a better communicator than Denzell the pro bowler, where do you get this stuff is that why he's not wearing the Green Dot. Man up and sign a name to your posts. I'm glad you decided McDaniels is a good coach with a losing record. Sandy
NY Raiders-Doing the same thing over and over again for over twenty years?: No, the new regimes NEVER followed ANYTHING Al created or used(except with the kickers).
to Anonymous- We should be happy but we know the history of the Raiders for 21 years especially these new regimes over the past 11 years.
We should be very careful before we start talking playoffs, or just a winning season
you want fans to be excited? Dallas is a team that fans probably would be convinced has worked hard and made changes but us? we've been here before we need to beat a top team that is healthy before we make big bets on the Raiders/ playoffs. Cowboys' fans saw how good their team is and the show the team put on gives them something to be very positive about and talk playoffs.
Anonymous- what are you cheering for?: We are cheering for the '12-'23 claims the NFL/ owners/ Reggie/ media said about the new Oakland/ L.V. Raiders.
Raidertake, Jimmy G. magic dust?: He might but he got good front offices with some of the best QB coaches in the NFL. He has some talent and is a good QB but he will have to prove he IS a top NFL QB or an injury prone vet and good but be like a top NFL QB sometimes.
And that is why Sandy hasn't been on here for a while, but decided to show up today to? Start a fight? Once again, sandy, look in the mirror.
IMO, Tyree Wilson wasn't supposed to have a big role yesterday. The Chandler Jones situation let the whole team down. I have no idea what happened, so I'm not blaming anyone. But I think the Raiders are still working Wilson in slowly. If he reinjured himself that would be devastating. Koonce was on the field a lot.
I believe drafting Wilson over Carter may have been a character thing. The Raiders have already stepped in sh*t too often with guys like Ruggs and Arnette, and Brown before that.
Raiders are in a good place right now, where they have strong leaders in the locker room. Crosby, Jacobs and Adams are the faces of this team, and players want to fight for them. New guys like Garoppolo, Meyers, Epps and Peters can lead by example.
Quietly, it's hard not to get pumped after the out-of-the-gate, up-by-a-full-game start the Raiders had yesterday. It might not last but we didn't have any moments like this last year.
We have a full week to soak it all in...
We are cheering for the Raiders, right? That includes the whole package, just like with Al, he was part of the package. We cheer for the team FO to make the right moves, which in turn usually means the GM is making good moves. The coaches then coach the players the GM picked, to play to their potential. As we know, if none of that is in place, the team will suck no matter what. So already, you nellies are declaring defeat, you have already thrown in the towel with no hope of improvement. OR, you can say to yourselves, I will give the new regime some time and will back them until PROVEN they suck, or proven they have what it takes. I still have hope, you nellies have none. Enjoy.
Sandy, did you see Spillane call off his own blitz and called out to Hobbs to take the blitz? Hobbs then had a free path to the ball carrier and made the tackle for a loss. Sillane is known as a film demon and a great communicator, maybe get to know some of the new players instead of just bashing them? Instead of crying over what is not there, take an unbiased view of what is going on. Perryman is gone, Carr is gone, Waller is gone, how many more tears, sandy?
Since you won't sign a name to your posts I will address you as Silly. Listen Silly Spillane was a backup reject from the Steelers. Until yesterday you never watched him play in a regular season game and don't try and tell us otherwise. The watch is a lot of film is some crap you are regurgitating from McDaniels press conference during training camp. I badly want the Raiders to win but the defense looks like it's crap again. New York, Koonce barely played got less than half the snaps that Wilson did. Wilson looks stiff and came off the ball way late on every snap. Sandy
whatever you say, sindy.
Silly did I hurt your feelings for exposing the fact that you plagiarized McDaniels foolishness for your own week analysis? Sandy
https://twitter.com/BaldyNFL/status/1701363723917516823
My take on Spillane is that he was depth in a solid LB corp for the Steelers. He might not be Perryman but he's young and hungry. Perryman plays like Ronnie Lott. Not many players are thumpers like those guys. For Perryman that meant injuries.
Speaking of injuries, I wasn't aware Waller had been sidelined during the preseason with a hamstring. Then the Giants start the season by getting torched by the Cowboys.
Sandy, Koonce played almost 30% of the Raiders snaps on defense. That's a lot for Koonce. No?
Anyone notice the Jets and Bills both have smothering defenses? The Raiders biggest weakness on defense is their middle, which is where the Jets and Bills excel on D.
Bills are snakebit and will be looking for blood.
NY, I was only looking at defense not speacial teams. Koonce played 17 Wilson 32 out of a possible 64. That number should have been reversed in my opinion.
Sandy
How about Chandler Jones what a disaster that has become 51 million for this nonsense. It seems like this was a bad signing both in terms of production last year and whatever is going on with this fued. What are your thoughts?
Sandy
D Line looks bad, can't stop run. New regime's signings are piss poor. Tillery, Bilal, Chandler are either unproductive or terrible, and Wilson yes is he rookie but he seemed lost for a top ten pick. Sandy
I agree, D-line is a real concern. Nichols was mistake. Jones was a mistake. Tillery was a mistake, twice, as the Raiders inexplicably re-signed him.
Tillery is athletic but he's a liability both in run defense and in brains. He cost the Raiders another huge penalty Sunday when he was called for being offsides on 4th down. ON 4TH DOWN!
Two drafted DTs from last year were jettisoned this off-season, and two more were drafted.
It's been one swing-and-miss after another, with five big misses in a row at DT, with two more potential misses in the wings.
Ironically, Jonathan Hankins, whom the Raiders released mid-season, is starting DT for the Cowboys, who just crushed the Giants. Remind me, why was Hankins let go by the Raiders?
IMO, best thing the Raiders can do short-term is get Chandler Jones back on the field. But it sounds like Jones needs personal help.
Alternately, Raiders need the rookies, Willson and Young, to really step up. Otherwise, we're in deep trouble!
Because Crosby can't do it alone, Deablo is a key to the Raiders defense this year. He's the one guy who gets to the ball consistently.
NY, credit were it is due. You beat the drum hard for Hankins and you were right. He played fantastic against the Giants this past weekend. It is ridciculous he was let go and now they are trying to replace him with Jenkins who was never great and is way over the hill.
Deablo was a great late round pick by Mayock/Gruden. He is coming on strong. I hope I am wrong but drafting Wilson over Carter seems like a terrible mistake.
I am glad they resigned Willis. He is serviceable and with Jones out becomes are second best DE sad as that is.
Sandy
Hankins is a run stuffer (good enough to start on a very good Cowboys defense). The Raiders were (still are) disillusioned into believing they can only pass rush with their front four. If Patrick Graham dialed up more blitzes, then Hankins might still be a Raider.
Releasing Hankins and signing Tillery to replace him was insane. Raiders brass have made several mistakes like this, and they know it.
One recently was leaving that young rookie LB (Thomas) off the 53-man roster which allowed the Seahawks to sign him. They carried 6 DTs and 3 QBs instead. Why is Brian Hoyer still on the team? He wasn't even good in preseason, against 3rd stringers.
NY, I know Hoyer is over the hill but I do not think O'Connel is ready for game action yet. They already are carrying 7 linebackers which is more than enough when you play two Thomas looks solid and I would be fine with him over Masterson not a big deal either way.
Wilson had the lowest PFF grade 40 from the last game of anyone on the defense. Jalen CArter got a 90. Not sure why they have not spent money on a decent DT. Sheldon Rankins at 10mm would have been worth it, Hankins, Shelby Harris all signed for less than 2 mm a year on one year deals all less than Tillery. I would love them to take a look at Philon if he is healthy.
I guess we will wait till next year when Renfrow and Bilal come off the books and they can take a big swing at someone like Chris Jones etc.
Sandy
Philon played his ass off at the end of the season two years ago, during the Bisaccia Miracle.
Sam Webb just got signed off Raiders practice squad. If I remember correctly, Webb is tall and athletic and he's young and still learning (Namndi Aso took years to develop). Webb is a decent cover corner.
Carrying too many players at 2-3 positions isn't going to make them better, and it removes players at other positions that should have been retained, IMO, e.g., Thomas and Webb.
Even worse Mclendon Curtis who looks like a very physical guard in the preseason was also taken off the practice squad by Seattle that's too bad. Sandy
NY Raider and other Anon,
The Defensive Line?
How Al acted on issues with his units:
He'd make a trade for a above average player, back up vet or star player then have his coaches coach him up with TIME to learn what the system.
what the new regimes have done about their units: bring in UDFAs' or back ups or let the starter keep playing even though they see he is having issues, mediocre or have an injury.
The defensive line:
some teams will try and do a good job, others will use a system and not spend big on the unit(3-4, three big DLs' using power and scheme instead of depending on stars to try and beat OLs' an OLB will be their pass rusher). others will look for stars and rookies to make the line good and others will spend a lot and bring in ex-star vets, rookies and pro bowlers to try and dominate with their DL.
Al's style was to find good players in the draft and develop your DL but sometimes find star free agents. And he got older vets, ex-first rounders, ex-pro bowlers and problem players to be a productive DL.
the new regimes don't think you need to do much to have a good 4-3 line. they just look for above average-good veteran free agents, and good-top rated DLs', UDFAs' and guys left over from the other regimes and guys who are ex-pro bowlers to try and have a good, hold up against top OLs', dominate sometimes and use talent to run past, put in schemes or surprise/ shock OCs and OLs.
they just won't trade for a lineman, they haven't done much to make it easier for them to help win games like find top DBs' to shut down receivers.
the Raiders need to make some big moves to give them a D that can help us win.
They should've look at the HBCU and there were some good free agent DEs'. But they didn't look at them.
M. Crosby does need help!
Why did they release Willis in the first place?
You want to argue but think, Al knew how to build DLs' and they could use some of his ideas. This team has one star DL, and then young DEs' and DTs'- They need help!
They had S. Harris, D. Autry, D. Tollefson, D. Philon and they didn't want to pay them or keep them.
They need to trade for:
a young DE
a veteran DT
a veteran DE
a vet OLB that can rush the passer from the 4-3.
now we need a DE and DT or two DTs'(one has to be a veteran). and they need to either let C. Jones get some rest and help or trade him.
* C. Jones needs time off.
they need a fast RB
they may need a back up QB.
they need to look at some RTs. an injured player from the Bengals(L. Collins) might be somebody to put on the roster but let heal for about 5 weeks.
Hankins was good at stuffing the run, no doubt; but not much help outside of that. Raiders definitely needed a pass rush DT at the time they let Hankins go, and stuck with the younger DT.
Going to the Cowboys rejuvenated Hankins, who was being manhandled by opposing linemen at the time. I'm happy for him. Another former Raiders' player who is doing well on a new team is John Simpson. Dude is an animal! I wanted him to stay on the Raiders, and still don't know why he was let go.
With that said, I agree about Tillery. Raiders need a new DT; and I was hoping for Jalen Carter. Would have changed the outlook of the D-Line, no doubt. I will still keep my fingers crossed with Young though. Whatever happened to Philon? I follow him on Twitter and he's ready to come back, why hasn't anyone picked him up?
Not all teams have four down linemen who can provide all the pass rush. Graham blitzes less than almost every other team. You need run stuffers, and the Raiders currently don't have one as good as Hankins. All those moves, bringing in Nichols, Chandler Jones, Tillery and others hasn't done much, if anything, to improve the pass rush, but it has diminished the run defense. Fortunately, the Raiders have Deablo back and other guys to run defend at the second level.
IMO, the Raiders defensive front is not good enough. Starting Nichols and Tillery scares the crap out of me. That's got to be the worst interior duo in the league.
What "good D-line" has materialized from the last three regimes? None!
Here you go with "they refuse to spend money" again. Why do you keep saying that? Do you need the list, again? They've overspent on many players, including your boy, Jerry Tillery!
The season has started. It's unlikely the Raiders make changes which they've already elected not to make. Now it's about players on the roster and coaching.
If I had to guess, I'd say the reason the Raiders kept so many DTs on the final roster is because none of them stood out (as well as cap constraints of dead money) and they're hoping someone rises to the top. That somewhat mirrors what they did last year on the O-line. It took over half a season to find starters.
Koonce is not a LB. The thought of Koonce dropping in coverage is not good.
Wilson's injury did not carry over into the season. He played the first game. So criticizing management for drafting an injured player now is a bit much. Give the guy a few games to get acclimated. Geez! Even the media is down on this guy after 32 snaps.
As for discounting tickets, huh?!
That's a joke, right? It's Las Vegas! Raiders have the most expensive tx in the NFL. That's not going to change, and not because some fans are unhappy with the team.
Wilson instead of Carter will haunt us. Sandy
It's a little early to call it. Raiders clearly need a someone in the middle but they also need someone on the edge, especially, now that Jones is gone. IMO, they didn't do enough to address the defense this offseason.
My prediction is the Raiders will show improvement this year as a team, but the expectation for real progress has to be next year. Ironically, Jacobs will likely be gone next year and that, in itself, could be a significant setback.
It's a vicious cycle. With salary cap and free agency, the window to build a team isn't what it used to be. That's what made Gruden's 10-year contract so ridiculous. McDaniels shouldn't get more than three years to prove he's the guy. Yet, in three years, he will have lost or jettisoned some of the Raiders best players over the past two decades.
Each year (and each regime) of failure has another step backwards. That's been a hard lesson for all of us.
This week's game in Buffalo seems like a bridge too far. The Bills have been a loaded team for years, with franchise QB and stout D. They play at home, coming off a loss. If the Raiders can even be competitive that might be meaningful in terms of their direction.
Wildcard in the game is the Bills 2nd year RB James Cook vs Raiders D. But Josh Allen could steal the show.
First big test for the Raiders to show us what they got!
Jordan Willis was just released off the practice squad.
Did someone suggest earlier that he should be a starter? Over Wilson and Koonce?
Yes I suggested that and if you watch Wilson and Koonce's inability to hold the edge against the run you'll understand why. The Raider defensive line is pathetic. Sandy
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