Bears Gameday Thread
This is such a perfect test for this team, at this time. An obvious should-win game against the lowly Bears helmed by Tyler Bagent (!). A chance to get to 4-3 and keep momentum. A loss? That would be very telling. Just win, baby! GO RAIDERS!
posted by Raider Take at 10:21 AM
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Well this is depressing on a happier note Wilson got his first sack and another nice hit on the qb. Sandy
I guess the Raiders went with "telling," as in pathetic.
Honestly, Josh McDaniels might deserve to be fired after that one. The Bears offense with a rookie QB from division II starting his first pro looked far more dynamic. Hoyer was exactly what I expected, inaccurate! He made Davante Adams look average.
That should be the last game Hoyer ever starts in his career and it probably should be the last game McDaniels ever head coaches. I've seen enough uninspired offense from him.
NY, I hope your words come true I'd love to wake up tomorrow to McDaniels being fired Sandy
It's not something I wish for, just calling it like I see it. McDaniels has been awful at calling plays and making decisions. McDaniels should have pulled Hoyer by halftime. It was a bad decision and he stuck with it.
I didn't realize O'Connell came into the game. I might have stayed and watched. Nonetheless, even in a loss, starting O'Connell would have been productive for O'Connell and the future of the Raiders. Playing Hoyer did nothing! With Hoyer, McDaniels is under some delusion that the Raiders can compete for the playoffs. Apparently, he's not watching the same games we are.
He deserves to eat a lot of sh*t for not starting O'Connell.
At least McDaniels knows what he has in Hoyner now LOL. What a joke the guy hadn't won a start in 12 games, it's obvious why he stared down his first read the entire day which led to that pick six, he sucks. O'Connell was not the answer either it's obviously painfully noticeable that the Raiders don't have any quarterback with any sort of athletic improvisional ability. Sandy
My worries is tha Mark Davis cares more about his WNBA team, than his dad's team to do anything. Another long season, another depressing underwhelming performamce by the Raiders
Any team that has Devante adams, Josh jacobs, Jacoby myers, and Hunter Renfro and can only score 6 points a game has to fire their coach get rid of McDaniels he's the problem here the players hate him he's uninspiring you sure as hell is no offensive genius bringing a real Coach like Jim Harbaugh. Sandy
This was the soft spot in the Raiders schedule. But I doubt McDaniels is going anywhere. As unimaginative as the game plan was, Hoyer was not up for it. He missed easy passes. Garoppolo isn't the answer either. He's always going to be one play from getting injured. IMO, just play O'Connell the rest of the season. Let him take his lumps and coach him up, if that's possible. He's no Brock Purdy but he's probably better than the other two.
Another ugly season in the making. Raiders are the armpit of the league and they can't do anything about it. Storied organization, 20 years in a dumpster fire and they're taking a knee on another season.
Let me try to understand...When Crappolio was hurt for the Chargers game, O'Connell got the start. He played ok, kept Raiders in the game, threw a late pick, and Raiders lost.
But when Crappolio hurt his back and came out of the Pats game, it was Hoyer that got sent in.
Crappolio, still dealing with bad back vs Bears, cannot play. So Hoyer, who never wins any games, gets the nod, plays terribly, and is replaced by O'Connell.
What is the logic to all this ?
More to the point, this was Ziegler's follies, and McDummies plan for the Qb position. Get rid of Carr, sign Crappolio,(he knows the system, lol), right out of the ER, sign all time loser, Hoyer,(he knows the system, lol), and use 4th round draft pick for underwhelming Purdue Qb, O'Connell.
As we can see the Raiders are in great hands with Ziegler, & McDummy !!! This may be the worst roster, and decision making in Raiders history !!!
From media:
“Tyson Bagent relied on short passes in his first NFL start, averaging 2.1 air yards per attempt without throwing a single pass over 15 air yards. Bagent’s 2.1 air yards per attempt is the shortest average depth by a qualified QB in a game this season.”
"How did the Raiders not have a better plan to stop a quarterback that had never played in an NFL game?"
Yet, Peters and others were backpedaling as they always do before every play. Raiders could have played press and focused on short passes and runs.
McDaniels and Graham can be outcoached on any given Sunday. This one is reminiscent of Jeff Saturday and the Colts last season, probably worse. Clown car!
There is a silver lining Tyree Wilson had the highest grade of any Raider player on the field Sunday by Pro Football Focus an 82.9. One thing I'm completely sure of besides McDaniels needing to be gone is that AOC is definitely not the future as quarterback he looks like a relic from bygone years he's a backup at best. Sandy
I'm just going to say it now, this is the worst coaching regime since Art Shell 2! In 24 games, Josh has made the Raiders digress, and he still hasn't figured out that he is the reason. This is truly a sad day to be a Raiders fan. I saw one of the beat writers post on Twitter that they would understand if Raider Nation started wearing brown bags over their heads. Another dude commented my sentiments at the moment, "I will never wear a brown bag over my head because I need it to vomit in." What is worse is there is no comments from Mark; and his continued stance to fans to "Smarten up" when they heckle him to fire Josh tells me more and more that he does not care about his dad's team.
At the same time, I can understand waiting until the offseason to unload McDoofus; but if it is not someone like Bisaccia or a coach who will gameplan to the strengths of the team, I don't want them. This is not rocket science, and it should not be this difficult to figure out, unless they really just want to "Just Lose, Baby!"
Raiders muted social media during McDaniels presser today. Apparently, the calls by fans for his removal are deafening.
How can this guy, who called plays in (I think) three super bowls, be so bad?
Sandy, I don't mind giving O'Connell the keys for the remainder of 2023. Garoppolo is not the Raiders future. O'Connell could be a serviceable backup for future years and might be fun to watch. This season is all but scrapped. Not likely the Raiders recover in any material way after that embarrassing loss.
Three wins in 2023 = a chance to draft a franchise QB.
This is not intended as an absolute parallel, so don't shoot the messenger.
Gruden was in his 4th season when the Raiders lost 20-9 to the Bears in Vegas in 2021. The Raiders went to 3-2 and that was Gruden's last game.
McDaniels is in his second season and the Raiders are 3-4 after another embarrassing loss to the lowly Bears in 2023 (two seasons later!).
Perhaps the point is, the bar is very low in LV. McDaniels might get several more years to try and build a team. This is how it works in LV.
The Raiders lost the game to the Bears with Gruden because all that crap came out regarding his emails two days before the team was heavily distracted. There's no comparison between the two coaches McDaniels is total garbage you're forgetting how well Gruden had car playing and how many points the Gruden teams used to score look it up . Grudens offense in 2020 was ranked 8th in the league and before he got fired the team was averaging 30 points a game. Sandy
Both embarrassing losses to the Bears. In 2021, Raiders lost to Chargers in a lopsided game the week before. But that's just 1-2 games. We've been subjected to the Raiders non-commitment to excellence for 20 years. This a different year, but it's the same crap. I think we would agree if Carr were playing his second year in McDaniels offense we would be seeing better results despite McDaniels bad play calling. But the Raiders thrive on shooting themselves in the foot. It doesn't matter who coaches or manages this team.
Unless the NFL leaks some McDaniels emails, he's not going anywhere. Davis resists change and he's got the Aces to keep his trophy case warm.
On another to think the Raiders had the opportunity to get Lamar Jackson this off-season for only two 1st rounders and passed is insane. These are the times when I wish al was still around, for sure he would have made that move. Sandy
We'd still have McDaniels calling plays and a defense that can't defend.
It would not matter they would be a playoff team even with Mcdumass coaching. Sandy
Carr now plays for the Saints because he tried to improvise McDaniels' play calling.
"How can this guy,(McDaniels), who called plays in (I think) three super bowls, be so bad?"
NYR...I think I can answer this one. Because McDummy doesn't have the GOAT, Tom Brady, that's why.
Just like Adam Gase was a flop without P. Manning.
And how is Eric Bienemy doing with Sam Howell instead of Mahomes ?
Mark Davis has got to stop falling in love with these OC's that have superstar QB's, but don't bring them along to Vegas for their coaching gig.
The unfortunate irony is McDaniels did respectfully well with Mac Jones as a rookie, which probably added to his market appeal.
But McDaniels' unimaginative offensive play calling and the constant pounding of Jacobs into stacked defensive fronts with the same results game after game is mind-numbing.
We had the opportunity a few years ago, to hire Bisaccia, Doug Pederson, Mike McDaniel, Jonathan Gannon, Demeco Ryans, Brian Daboll, Brian Musgrave, and others; only to go with another "my-system-scheme" coach that has miserably failed.
As good as an OC as Josh is, he always had Bellichek to keep him accountable to the Bellichek way. Now he has no one, and it is quite evident he has not learned his lessons from Dunver. I said it before, and I will say it again here, I haven't been this down on the Raiders since Art Shell 2, and their bed-n-breakfast offense. Even if by some miracle, they go out and blowout the Lions and score 35 points, I still won't believe in McDaniels. It is even more apparent to me that Mark Davis does not care about his dad's team more than he does his WNBA team. I have seriously considered wearing a brown bag over my head to watch games, but I need it to vomit in. I'm changing the mantra to "Lose or tie, Raiders 'til I die" because we sure ain't winnin'! The worst thing is we have the talent to win, we have key leaders and people where our play should not be this bad. Crazy that we keep doing the same thing and hope for it to change.
McDumbass is terrible and should be fired. Let's be honest the Raiders have a crappy o line a below average d line and no qb. Hopefully they get Drake MAye in the draft. O'Conell is not the answer, Jimmy G is average when he is not injured. Like I said they should have gotten Lamar. You can not make the playoffs without a top 10 qb and you can not win a playoff game without a top 5 qb---San Fran aside.
Sandy
At this point, if I were Mark Davis, he should name Tom Brady as president of LV Raiders football operations.
Brady already owns a small part of the Raiders, and he may be looking for new challenges. And there isn't a bigger challenge than getting the Raiders back on track.
Let Brady decide if Zeigler/McDaniels, will stay or go. And if they go, let Brady find their replacements. Because Mark Davis has failed three times in this regard.
Brady has seven SB rings, and doesn't take any BS when it comes to football. Maybe Brady can win a few more rings as an executive.
Other than this idea, I am at a loss with this Raiders organization. What else can they do, Gruden III ?? Too crazy !
Hire Brady or someone else, that's probably what it will take.
Sadly, the Raiders have regressed under Ziegler and McDaniels, and it's still getting worse. Two tries, Denver and LV, McDaniels coaching method is a colossal failure. The Raiders might give the Bears a real run for their money in the Caleb Williams sweepstakes.
Just keep running it up the middle! ...and short passes to the left side!
McDaniels keeps talking about playing mistake-free complimentary football in all three phases. That's a Star Trek Kobayashi Maru, no-win scenario. No team can survive that standard. Even the best Raiders teams overcame their mistakes.
After 7 weeks, the Raiders have established tendencies that are as predictable as any regime in recent history. Worse, their inability to throw deep is unmatched.
If I had my wish this week, the Raiders would line up as they usually do on offense to start a game and instead of the typical run or short pass, send one deep.
Note to McDaniels: Try something else! Anything! Just something else.
What irony in Josh McDaniels (one of the least winning coaches in the NFL and certainly in Raiders history) to be recognized for winning the Raiders 500th victory and getting his visor placed in the HOF.
Old guys remember Raiders as being the winningest franchise in the NFL and all of pro sports. But how the mighty have fallen. They were 10th in the NFL to reach the 500-win milestone.
Once upon a time, the Raiders were also the winningest team in Monday Night Football. They still hold a respectable .600 record but that record is front-loaded with wins and backloaded with losses.
Lions injury report is interesting, to say the least, but can the Raiders take advantage?
Lions starting center is doubtful.
Lions starting left guard is out.
Also, David Montgomery, starting RB is out.
But it gets worse (or better depending on your perspective)
The Lions RG is backup to center position.
However, the backup at RG is listed as questionable.
It's their practice squad after these guys.
Derek Carr today in a 38-point scoring effort for a win.
19/27 for 310 yards 2 TDs and 133.3 QB Rating.
These were pretty regular stats for Carr with the Raiders. Jimmy G has nothing close to that as a Raider. In fact, the Raiders, as a team, can't touch what Derek Carr and the Saints did on offense today.
Half the season is over and the Raiders Still haven't even surpassed 20 points on offense... with Josh Jacobs at RB and Davante Adams and Jakobi Meyers at WR. If I were Mark Davis, I would fire Ziegler and McDaniels on principle.
Saints are tied for first place in their division, and the Raiders are vying for Caleb Williams. But they had a team meeting to express their feelings and air their grievances.
So here is a question. If the Raiders lose tonight after their player/coaches meeting; should McDaniels resign or be fired? If so, who do you want to replace him?
I think regardless, he should finish out the year and then be let go; whether they win or lose tonight. The fact that he conducted a team meeting of the airing of grievances, tells me he has lost the locker room and the confidence of the players. If he is any type of man, he would resign, but I think he's too big on himself to do that. If he were to resign, I'd have Rob Ryan step in as interim. I would go after Bill Musgrave or even revisit Bisaccia as a coach. My only problem with Bisaccia was a lot of little details during the game were missed.
I know everyone is big on Harbaugh, but his trouble at Michigan right now is concerning; and more than likely if he were to come to the NFL, he'd face punishment.
Other candidates I would like to see:
Ben Johnson, OC Lions; Frank Smith, OC Dolphins; Mike MacDonald, DC Ravens; Don Martindale, DC Giants; Sean Desai, DC Eagles; or Ken Dorsey, OC Bills.
Either way, my thoughts on tonight's game; I don't think we win. We made the Bears look like the '85 Bears and a Division 2, undrafted QB look like Joe Montana; while our offense was stifled by a bad defense. It's going to be brutal, I may watch through the hands over my face. Unsure at this point.
Nate, the Lions are favored by more than a touchdown. So for the betting world it's not a matter of the Raiders losing, it's by how much. IMO, McDaniels will have to lay an extra-large egg to get fired after this game. Like an egg the size of Michigan.
That said, I outlined some key injuries for the Lions, who will be down to a few depth players on their interior O-line and be without their starting RB, David Montgomery.
On a side note, the Raiders can probably expect about the same number of Lions fans in Detroit's stadium as there would be at a Raiders home game, so that shouldn't be a concern (they have to run a silent count on offense all of the time).
This much is true, the Raiders should be extremely hungry to get a win by virtue of the team meeting you referenced and the intensity of players like Crosby, Jacobs and Adams.
To sum it up, if there ever was a game that the Raiders could chip away at that 7.5-point spread, tonight is it.
P.S. As for McDaniels resigning, that would never happen in a million years. That would be the kiss of death for his coaching career and has about the same chance as McDaniels intentionally walking in front of a moving bus.
Go Raiders!
BTW, there's a stat floating around that showed O'Connell (in limited action) having among the highest percentage of missed opportunities (open receivers). I don't think that's a passing stat, more of a "hey dummy, you didn't see the wide open player streaking down the field stat." It was over 13%
By comparison, Garoppolo is among the league leaders. Surprisingly! His missed opportunities were only around 6.5%.
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