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Solid first half, keeping it close, this would be a statement! GO RAIDERS!
posted by Raider Take at 11:40 AM
Solid first half, keeping it close, this would be a statement! GO RAIDERS!
posted by Raider Take at 11:40 AM
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These aren't the same Raiders we watched under McDaniels. However, I don't get some of the conservative playcalling on offense today. Was McDaniels calling plays from home? Yet at the end of the game the Raiders were right there, with O'Connell throwing a hell of a pass to Tucker in the end zone. Unfortunately, Ramsey broke it up. But, wow, the Raiders were in it the whole way.
WTF are you talking about O'Connell totally under through Tucker it was double coverage there was lots of time left in the game it was a terrible decision. O'Connell is a statue he's a backup at best. The guy threw three interceptions. If the Raiders had Carr in that game they would have won. Sandy
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It's a disappointing loss but it showcased a much-improved defense. I believe they have the ability to improve on offense without significant changes. O'Connell may not be the long-term answer but he's clearly their best option right now. He can throw 50 yards in the air and hit his target. He missed badly 2x overthrowing Adams. Those are timing issues and will get better. Really disappointed in clock management at the end of each half but, again, it's a work in progress for everyone. Rookie HC! rookie OC! rookie QB! These guys are only 3 weeks on the job.
This game was there for the taking. But a big gOOse egg in the 2nd half, and some foolish rookie mistakes by O'Connell.
And the play calling sucked too. To me, if you're still within a touchdown, you should never take the rushing attack off the table. But they put the game in the rookie Qb's hands, and he tossed it away.
On the plus side, I love that AP has instilled some real heart & soul into the Raiders defense.
Raiders D actually force turnovers, something unheard of the last 20 years. Though I think the pass rush could be a lot better.
Not kicking a field goal with 8 minutes left was also a mistake on AP's part. Sandy
The run defense was impressive at times. Spillane almost had another INT. Some of the offense's shortcomings can be directly tied to rookie mistakes by coaching and QB. The body of work to be judged won't happen until the end of the season. If the Raiders do actually make a run for the playoffs, AP will be HC next year. I think we can all bank on that. If you look at the standings, it's wide open for middling teams to find success.
Good article discussing Malcom Koonce as a solid Gruden-era draft pick who is now coming to life in a surging Raiders defense. Koonce is hands down outplaying Tyree Wilson, who btw had a terrible penalty on what was a nice run by Jacobs.
https://www.raidersbeat.com/gruden-era-draft-pick-has-given-the-raiders-pass-rush-a-surprise-boost-in-his-third-season/
O'Connell a decent backup but doesn't have it. Priority is QB, QB, QB.
Carr is better than Jimmy, but not by a whole lot. Neither close to elite.
Elite QB (or very near) is an essential ingredient of perennial contention and true Super Bowl aspirations. Full stop.
The only exception might be the Niners, who have so much talent and a brilliant coach.
Completely agree quarterback has to be the focus. They also need to bring in a top notch coach. Antonio Pierce coached poorly on Sunday he is not the answer. Sandy
I may be with you on Pierce. He's been a great blast of emotional relief and inspiration, exactly the fresh air needed to clear out the stink of McDaniels.
But does he have the skillset and experience to build an elite coaching program that goes toe-to-toe with the likes of Andy Reid and Sean Payton? It's possible, but it's a big gamble to follow all of this up with an unproven commodity.
I want to give AP and AOC until the end of the season. Nothing is going to change before then, so I don't want to rush to judgement. I get the fact that mistakes will be (are being) made, but they are far less frequent than McDaniels, whom many thought was an offensive guru... and the team is playing much better. That said, I agree a strong HC and a playmaking QB are needed to win.
If AP is gone, then so is Graham. To my surprise, Graham is bringing it right now.
For what it's worth, wasn't John Madden LB coach before Al Davis hired him as HC? Careful what you wish for. The Raiders have been chasing the same scenario for at least 20 years with zero playoff wins.
To further the point, AP is no stranger to knowing what it takes to win from the players' perspective. A lot of great NFL coaches and execs start as players. Just saying.
Need a great coach great quarterback combination. Like Jim Harbaugh and JJ McCarthy. Sandy
Are three games enough? Or should we by default dismiss the chance at a John Madden and Kenny Stabler redux and instead go right to the next break-the-bank option?
Failure follows the Raiders. I want to see more before making that kind of judgement.
NY, Did you just compare AP and AOC to MAdden and Stabler?
Yes we need the break the bank option. Can you really see AOC competing with Herbert, Mahomes etc for division titles. AP matching wits with Peyton and Reid? The QB coach combo is the key to sucess. Let's review
1. Shanahan and anyone
2. Harbaugh and Jackson
3. Reid and Mahomes
4. Josh Allen and Mcdermott
5. Tua and McDonald
However, even more than the coach is the QB and AOC is not a top QB. He will never compete with Jackson, Mahomes, Herebert, Allen, Hurts, Lawerene, Tua etc. To be successful in today's NFL a QB must be able to produce off script and make dynamic plays with their athletiscim. AOC is a statue and looks like a relic of the 80s. The Raiders already have a decent amount of talent, what are they missing a QB and a coach.
Sandy
Illustration, Sandy. Madden and Stabler weren't always famous superstars!
There's a lot more to it than HC/QB.
Here's a key takeaway from your statement, "The Raiders already have a decent amount of talent...."
I'm pretty sure you would have said the same thing following Gruden II era. Yet each time we turnover HC/GM there's a complete dismantling of the team. So don't expect anybody on the current roster to be safe from that, including Adams, Jacobs, Crosby, or anybody else. Kolton Miller is probably the only safe bet.
We've been repeating the same insanity since what feels like the beginning of time. I think we can agree Mark Davis regrets hiring McDaniels over Bisaccia, who would have carried forward Gruden-era players and coaching. Part of what made Bisaccia successful, IMO, was that he wasn't calling plays himself. That has been the kiss of death for many a Raiders HC in recent memory.
Also, your "review" above excludes consideration of defense... which we all know wins championships! Suddenly, Graham (with Pierce at the helm) has chops we didn't know about. New HC, expect new coaching and new players.
Moreover, I can't remember the Raiders having better leadership in the locker room. The players are currently behind Pierce. Another major turnover could lead to a locker room revolt (all the more reason to expect a scorched-earth approach to the roster).
Clearly, there's more to it than a flashy HC and QB.
I expect Davis will give full consideration to retaining Pierce. By extension, it's Pierce's job to lose.
Let's see how the next 6 games play out. Then, perhaps, I can get on board with Harbaugh or other top-tier HC.
QBs win championships in this day and age. Come on man who would you want mentoring a Young quarterback Antonio Pierce or Jim Harbaugh it's no contest. Sandy
Come on, yourself. Nobody said Pierce would be mentoring a QB. Plenty of defensive-minded head coaches in the league, and I would expect Davis to interview some.
I hope you're not disappointed when Pierce gets the job.
Jack Del Rio fired (again!), this time as DC of the Commanders. The Raiders under Del Rio as HC never had a good defense. The 2016 season was all Musgrave and Carr, and Musgrave was quickly let go the following year... leading to Del Rio being fired.
IMO, Del Rio represents a retread class of coaches that Mark Davis needs to avoid. Davis is the one who hired Del Rio, so maybe Davis gets it now. We'll see.
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