Rams Postgame Thread
I've been biting my tongue, more to say later. Bring your takes, we've got a lot to hammer out with this team and organization.
posted by Raider Take at 6:37 PM
I've been biting my tongue, more to say later. Bring your takes, we've got a lot to hammer out with this team and organization.
posted by Raider Take at 6:37 PM
14 Comments:
The NFL
Decisions- NFL and maybe some by Telesco. ask the NFL why the Raiders didn't trade/ sign a QB this year- I mean an star QB.
Defense- L.V. didn't have a top defense. firstly, they have only 2 star linemen, you can have 1 but you have to have depth around him they refused. still they would've had a top 10 line but they had issues in other areas that caused the problems- they refused to get a veteran CB to team with J. Jones. and as for LB unit Graham only uses 2 in his scheme. the pass rush couldn't do much when it was healthy because they don't have DBs' helping them and teams can just run on them if they can't pass on them first.
the offense- the Raiders had the offseason to make some moves and again refused to do it! they got a decent QB and played games all offseason knowing that AOC isn't ready to start. they did get a good FA RB(Mattison) but refused to use him until they had to. they also refuse to use their other guys as RBs' like WR T. McAllister. they wouldn't trade up or make trades for tackle help and they end up having issues at the RT every year or a lot.
the staff- the Raiders passed on 3 elite coaches and refused to interview them. this is a pattern that's been happening since Reggie was hired. for some reason they talk about being like winning coaches/ teams but refuse to hire those guys. they may hire Bellichick which is sad, the Raiders' Al Davis culture will be more and more forgotten with the NFL getting more say in the team. the NFL wants Bellichick in L.V.
As much as you guys attack Al for his hires you've supported
A.P. now you want to blame him for this mess and move on from him.
Del Rio you threw him under the bus when you found out Mark was looking at Gruden.
D. Allen oh yea, some of you were buying hype about somebody you never heard of.
Gruden ll you turned on him and threw him under the bus too.
Raidernation: it's not loyalty to listen to people you know hated Al and probably don't like you either. its' also sad to wait for them to help take you back to glory when it was them who wanted to see you losing and suffering. you were so desperate to win you listened to the media/ NFL tell you how sad losing Al was for the league/ fans but how great things will be because he lost it and you need a new direction.
We're still waiting for that.
I'm baffled by your posts. It's all make believe to you, like the Raiders could have just taken any QB they wanted.
My take is, it's the Raiders. They can't get out of their own way.
Pierce looks ineffective. How the pendulum has swung from last season which he oversaw two games with zero penalties, protected the ball and won three straight division games.
IMO, Pierce risks his own employment unless he makes a change at OC. But it's more than that. He struggles to make good sideline decisions, including not challenging the goal line stop last week that appeared to be a TD. And his repeated decisions to kick FGs when he needs TDs.
Injuries have clearly changed the trajectory of this season, but it's hard to keep faith in the Raiders when they consistently beat themselves with penalties, turnovers and bad play calling.
Luke Getsy and Gardner Minshew are two mistakes the Raiders cannot overcome this year. I hope Antonio Pierce isn't another one.
Bad decision-making has long been synonymous with the Raiders.
It's got nothing to do with the NFL. It's the Raiders inability to navigate their team to success. It's a sickness they can't cure. Some kind of voodoo.
P.S. I'm a fan of Davante Adams, but how ironic that he's now playing for a team with the same bad record as the Raiders? The primary difference is that the Jets clearly have higher expectations because of Rodgers.
IMO, Adams request for a trade was an indictment of the stupid crap that surrounds the Raiders as a team and an organization.
I don't think Pierce has lost the team, the defense played excellent yesterday. When your offensive line is crappy, you have no QB and no WR you are not going to have an offense. Expecting more would be foolish. I think a good drafat next year that includes a QB, OL and WR could have this team competing. Sandy
With all due respect, it's not foolish. The Raiders run the same plays over and over and expect different results. That's foolish. I've seen more imagination in HS football.
The WRs are the same ones AOC and Minshew played with entire preseason. Adams didn't play a snap in preseason and he's been out for weeks.
Also, the offense didn't truly start targeting Bowers until mid- 4th Q.
This is much deeper than a few players.
I agree Sandy.
The biggest issue right now on the Raiders is Getsy. From his play calling to O-Line blocking scheme, he cannot get out of his own way. I said it under Gruden and McDaniels, and I will say it here, a great coach today knows how to play to the strengths of their roster. Getsy does not do this.
The second biggest issue right now, IMO, is the Raiders have too many voices running the show. I understand AP wanted to surround himself with mentors and people who got him here; but I'm not sure they are all on the same page. Its time for AP to figure out his own voice.
Nate, I don't think that's what Sandy said. He never mentioned Getsy. He said this is a player issue.
IMO, some of the bad line play has been directly a result of play calling, e.g., zone blocking. Kolton Miller used to be one of the best LTs in football. Getsy found a way to reduce Miller to an average player. I've never seen Miller get burned so much.
And discipline is sorely lacking. Lots of pre-snap penalties and stupid stuff, like illegal man down field. Raiders have jumped the shark and got stupid.
The Raiders TANKING for a QB is not a great move! just when are they committing to winning?
There aren't any CBs' or QBs' and LBs' to trade for? why are the Raiders so slow to make trades?
And why are you now excited about a guy who's an ex-super star QB but has no NFL exec experience? why is it that Raidernation doesn't question the NFL's motives with the Raiders? its' the NFL that got Brady to offer to buy a stake in team!
No pro sports team loses for this long, or keeps making bad decisions for this long. no team loses for this long and keeps doing the same thing not or making bad decisions a lot- and it's almost impossible with 1 regime much less different regimes.
The Adams trade, A.P. going from hype to villian, a new possible ownership group! the NFL is behind this! it's not bad decisions. fans are so naive! they listen to the same hype and expect different results.
Its' not the new ownership or A.P. its' the fact that the Raiders before the season started didn't do anything to show they wanted to win this yeasr.
BUSINESS DECISION part 10
Raidernation,
Al-Anon
Trading Adams was an NFL decision. he was never intended to help us make the playoffs! he was traded here to help the Packers and the NFL get ratings with a Rodgers and Adams reunion with another team.
Why would the Raiders go for a 3rd round pick?
A.P. is an interim HC. I don't think Brady will want him. and they won't allow him to do anything. remember, I said the NFL runs this team and wouldn't let Gruden/ Mayock make any big moves. did you notice they refused to draft any elite player with the 5 first round picks they had?
And its' not that they hate us that they would ruin our future its' that Al would never go for this and they want us to cooperate with their schemes.
They want to come up with more drama and the Raiders to help them out, oh, they don't like us but its' not as bad as when Al was running the team. they won't be happy with the Raiders until the Davis family is not majority owners.
You don't make the same decisions if you are a new regime but all of the regimes use the Bellichick/ 'NFL way'.
You can't possibly think that the Adams trade isn't staged. just like the 3rd round pick disgrace/ scam. you want to win so badly that you've:
1. thrown Al under the bus.
2. support new stake holders.
3. think moving to L.V. was a great idea.
4. think the NFL was right and Al was wrong.
5. think it's o.k. for the Raiders to overcharge for tickets.
6. think a rookie QB will lead us to the playoffs or willing to wait a few years to make the playoffs.
7. that Reggie was a good GM.
8. that the NFL isn't corrupt or trying to ruin this team.
Wow! to follow a team that refuses to try and win is not loyalty...its' brainwashing! you're not loyal but zapped and trying to trust a corrupt system. the NFL wants new owners the media works with pro leagues the owners are trying to make sure the Davis family don't suddenly copy Al and start doing what right like standing up for the players and showing loyalty to Raidernation. it's hard to believe but it's not a secret the Raiders are TANKING and have refused to work hard to win.
NY, crappy offensive problems starts with a crappy OC. Raiders signed Ridder off Cards practice squad. I like the move, now lets rid of our OLine coach amd OC
NY, Miller is coming off an injury and not healthy that's why he sucks, it's not the coaches fault. Sandy
You guys blaming the coaches are just making excuses for what's a roster that outside of the defense does not have the talent to win. There is a reason every prognosticator and Vegas had the over-under on five wins this year. Until the Raiders get a real quarterback this is what we have to deal with Sandy
Al Anon, you're definitely not a money guy. Salary cap is just another NFL conspiracy to you.
When was the last time any team paid $35M in one season for a WR?
Think about it, because the answer is important.
NEVER!
That's why the Raiders only got a 3rd round pick for Adams. Raiders tested the market and got market value for a contract nobody wanted. It's not rocket science, and it's not an NFL conspiracy.
They got a 3rd rounder and if it weren't the fact that it wasn't Al or it might look shady and Bellichick didn't make it worse with his comments they'd probably gotten a 4th rounder instead.
For a guy who constantly talks about how these new regimes are so much better and modern than Al's you mean you actually believe they shouldn't've or couldn't've gotten a higher draft pick. 1st and a 2nd to a team for a star WR but a 3rd from a team for the same guy? dude...they like helping other teams out? he's elite! you don't give up elite players for 3rd rounders. this is new sales clerk's bad mistakes- learning on the job and getting disciplined by the supervisor stuff- wow! and fans think that it was the only thing they could get?
Its' the NFL doing this its' not bad decisions, desperation or the salary cap. the NFL wants a "Feel Good" story in NY!
You defend any shady or ridiculously suspicious actions that you cannot explain then you want to attack the new regime that sucks after they do it. it IS the NFL they've been tampering with this team since Al passed away.
They could've gotten decent QBs' and refused you mean, you have a top WR and TE unit and you refuse to get a star QB and you have an excuse!? tell me if they couldnt' get a QB
1. why let Carr walk or get Adams in the 1st place? why not just use AOC/ Minshew and keep Jacobs?
2. nobody else wanted this guy!? you mean, nobody would give up a 1st rounder for a guy that could take them to the playoffs?
3. why did you let the owners/Bellichick again, tell you what you should do? why not hold this guy let him sit until the last minuet of the trade deadline?
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