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Sorry about last week, I'm lacking energy and mailing it in lately, like the Raiders. Thanks for keeping the homefires burning. Is it 2025 yet?
GO RAIDERS!
posted by Raider Take at 10:04 AM
Sorry about last week, I'm lacking energy and mailing it in lately, like the Raiders. Thanks for keeping the homefires burning. Is it 2025 yet?
GO RAIDERS!
posted by Raider Take at 10:04 AM
48 Comments:
No need to apologize, RT. Thank you for keeping it afloat. I often link to stores in the banner on your page, and I encourage others to do the same, as you mentioned it helps defray your expense.
As for the Raiders, I don't expect AP to keep his job. It's really a shame, but the combination of hiring Getsy and all the clock mismanagement looks bad for him.
We continue to be outsmarted by other coaching staffs, for like the 22nd year in a row.
Raiders aptly keeping pace with the Giants for the top pick. Two pathetic teams!
O'Connell is out for the season. On to the 3rd string QB... maybe even Carter Bradley.
As bad as AP has been at times, unprecedented injuries might save his job, or maybe not.
Just from the starters, we're down 2 QBs, 2 DL, 2 CB, 2 RBs, 1 S. We've had injuries at center, guard and tackle, and our #1 TE missed 8 games for reasons still unknown.
Yet the Raiders are still scrappy. That's a testament to AP. But, again, it might not save his job.
All we have left is a countdown to the draft. I would say the remaining games are meaningless, but that's not true. The Raiders can only hurt themselves by winning another game. AOC going down may have just secured the #1 pick.
Raiders could become the father/son club, with the Turner duo and the Sanders duo. That could be interesting to watch... of course, until it's not. They are the Raiders, after all.
Wow, what a sad league NFL commish, Roger Greedall has created. 3/4 of the teams are trying to lose games. Did ya see Giants vs Aints, or Jags vs Titans ? Pathetic games with BOTH teams trying to lose for best draft position.
It's not even a hush, hush, secret anymore. Talk radio, talking heads on TV, are all urging their teams to lose. Keep losing they say, hey, don't blow that draft slot.
It's like the NFL is the league of losers, where only a few teams have a legit chance at championship. And I mean very few. It's the few "Haves" vs the many "Have Nots" What a sad sight to behold.
Of course the Raiders are right in there, losing away, week after week. They're going to get a great young QB in the draft you see. What a great plan !!
I hope these teams remember that the best QB is Mahomes, and he was not a top ten pick. And before him, the best was Tom Brady, and he was drafted in the 6th round. So better to build a great, stable, organization, and to not dwell on the one position, QB, too much.
Oh well, what do I know. Forge ahead for all the losing teams in Greedall's league of losers. Keep on losing please. Gotta get that top pick. It's the cure all, magic elixir, that so many teams which to drink.
But for the fans, it's fools gold that's being sold to desperate teams. And all it does is lead to more, and more, losing.
I am excited about Sincere McCormick. I think he is a lot similar to Josh Jacobs' running style, and he's fast too. He was awesome at UTSA, and I was glad the Raiders picked him up, but sad that he was only practice squad material for a few years. He is definitely starting to prove his worth.
AOC going down is no bueno, and he is emotionally and mentally down in the dumps about it. He's a good dude, and I wish him the best in recovery. Looks like it will be Ridder and someone else (Carter Bradley? If so, he may beat out Ridder). Crazy...
Ghost, the Raiders don't have a choice. They've been given a mandate to draft a QB.
There have been a few QB hits at the top of Rd 1, like Daniels, Williams and Nix this year (perhaps more once they get to play) and certainly Stroud last year.
Sanders and Cam Ward both have talent, and both are better than the Raiders have fielded since Carr.
We could draft dual threat Hunter Travis, but it's a big risk at QB because options are so few.
NY, I agree that the Raiders need to draft a young QB. We also need to build a solid offensive line, and Glaze and JPJ are good starts. As far as Sanders and Ward, I'd rather go with Ward, but I also get the intrigue of Sanders; he's more charismatic than Ward. I will say, I wish we could be patient and get Arch Manning though, not going to lie, whoever gets him in the future is going to have a HoF QB. He's better than Eli and Peyton, by both of their admission, because he is mobile. Can you imagine: Herbert, Nix, Mahomes, and Arch Manning all in the same division? Al Anon, if there is an NFL vs Raiders conspiracy, the NFL will do everything to not allow the Raiders to get Arch Manning. Just saying....
To Raider Take,
Al-Anon
Thanks for staying with us/ hanging in there and not quitting on us.
NYR.....Raiders do have a choice I think, build a team, not just chase a QB.
Raiders are not alone. Most teams are tanking, losing, all chasing the fools gold of the next great QB.
It's a vicious cycle that is hard to break. Bryce Young, Caleb Williams, Joe Burrow, Trevor Lawrence, Daniel Jones, Zach Wilson, Deshaun Watson, Will Levis, on and on, and on.
It only leads to more tanking, more chasing, and more losing.
Ghost how is Joe Burrow on that list?
To NY Raider,
Al-Anon,
The Bucs were the team that is rumored/ made 1 of the reasons the Raiders fell from elite to bad and
the rumor/ story is- It was the shock of losing a SB and losing QB R. Gannon and HC J. Gruden the HC of the Bucs in the SB that shocked them and devastated their attitude/ culture and suddenly then Al losing his touch it ruined and turned them into a mediocre/ dysfunctional team run bay a senile/ crazy and 'stuck in the past' man.
Well, the claims/ rumors had serious weight/ points- a 9 year losing streak, huge slide to mediocrity, rumors of locker room issues, bickering and dysfunction, it seemed the haters/ critics and upset fans had a point or did they?
And it got worse, NFL media were claiming this was the "worst team" in the NFL, the HC called it the "dumbest team in America" and they even said no good/ elite coaches/ players wanted to go to Oakland.
Hmmmmm...well
were #1 for players to get a 2nd chance and save their careers.
had 4 future HOF'ers on that '03 team.
had just went to the SB
had a genius GM
yet, the media said they weren't a good football team this is '03 not '05 or '10. was that true Raidernation!?
Gannon: Al NEVER let any player EVER stress him so bad he didn't think he could replace them!
Gruden: same but Al usually worked with this coaches and helped them become great coaches. Gruden helped turn this team around but Al could use an average HC and help him win. Maybe Gruden knew the game plan in the SB but Al knew how to build a good team before Gruden was hired.
Now I want to know just how did the Raiders become the worst team in pro sports in '03?
did he try to TANK for a "franchise QB"?
hire an inexperienced guy to run Raiders and not work with him?
fire all of his employees?
ask an ex-player to run his team in fact become a part owner w/ no front office experience?
not keep his best players or make ridiculous trades for good players but get rid of the best players to help him win?
and just how awesome were these 31 other teams that Al suddenly couldn't win 1 season over a 9 year period?
The PARITY system couldn't help a team already playoff ready?:
most of the teams except Baltimore, N.E., Pittsburgh, Denver, S.F., Manning's Colts, NYGs, GB, Dallas and S.F. were mediocre.
the Raiders were mediocre but had a loaded roster.
In fact most of the teams were mediocre and the good/ elite teams dominated but there were more upsets, they say coaching 'em up, discipline, the Patriot way and good FA decisions helped mediocre-average team upset elite/ contenders sometimes, they even made the playoffs.
well, the Raiders had pro bowlers and future HOF'ers and Al on that '03 team and was went on a 9 year losing streak.
Now, that sounds strange!
The Raiders were hated by the NFL and the new billionaire owners were very upset with Al over the "new" CBA. fans think it can't be the NFL that caused the Raiders' issues.
They hated the Raiders, there is no reason to think this team couldnt've won over that 9 year period?
Conspiracies over taking a stand and all of the facts for and against my point and you guys can't see there is a lot of things the NFL should be questioned about?
Ghost, of course I mean that metaphorically.
Media reported the Raiders brass was given a mandate by Mark Davis to draft a QB. It's a little early for that, so perhaps that's been exaggerated.
We know free agency will not be filled with many viable options. It's mostly the same list of QBs the Raiders had available last year, and they are likely to cost much more now (inflation!). Sam Darnold will be way overpaid by some team, like his Vikings predecessor was. Maybe we could roll with Russell Wilson for a year, but the Raiders do not have the coaching or the team the Steelers have, so it could get ugly, again.
In terms of the draft, it's now or never, IMO. The Raiders might hold the #1 or #2 pick in the upcoming draft, and they won't have access to Arch Manning unless they tank a couple more years... which is a dreadful thought.
I don't make many predictions when it comes to the Raiders - partly because their decision-making is often so unconventional - but I am predicting the Raiders will draft Sanders or Ward in 2025 (unless they do something stupid and win another game). In doing so, they will need to be incredibly resourceful in free agency and the draft to fill the plethora of other holes they have... as well as replace the free agents they are sure to lose.
Travis Hunter seems like an obvious pick, but not for a team desperate to find a QB1.
And drafting a QB in the mid- or even late rounds for hopes of finding a gem is a luxury for a team with a QB, which the Raiders clearly are not.
Ergo, I don't believe that they have a choice.
IMO, Sanders has the pedigree and desire to be successful. His dad was a freak when he played. That's who I'm banking on.
It's tough to build a team without a QB. That doesn't exude confidence.
Anon....Actually, Joe Burrow is the perfect example of what I'm talking about.
The Raiders could have the # 1 overall pick for the next ten years, and not get a QB as talented as Burrow.
But where is Joe Burrow ? Mired on a bad team, with a bad organization. it started off good, but has gotten worse every year. Burrow is on his way to being another Carson Palmer. It's a Bengals specialty I guess. And maybe the Raiders can get him when he's 33 yrs old.
But there you have it. How many seasons did the Bengals tank, lose, chase the fools gold QB at the top of the draft ? Well, be careful what you wish for.
They got what they wanted, and really aren't much better than before.
Compare that to the Steelers. A very good team that slotted in a vet QB. Much better results I'd say.
Al Davis did the same. He built great teams, the QB seemed a last thought. Trade for Lamonica, Draft Stabler in 3rd round, Salvage Plunkett off the scrap pile. Worked pretty good, right ?
Ghost, the Raiders don't have access to someone with Al's savoy during the decades-past periods which you reference.
IMO, the Raiders of today are more inclined to find another Minshew. Who do you see as a possible shining star-in-waiting in free agency?
If the Raiders don't field a decent QB next year (or at least one with promise), the team might implode. Hard to believe, but it could get worse.
Even if Sanders is not the long-term answer, the Raiders will have made a bonafide effort by stepping outside their norm.
All Joe Burrow proves IMO is how tough it is to win in the NFL. Burrow has had a good team around him and he's a gamer. It takes a village for sure, but it all starts with a capable QB. The NFL has made it a pass-driven high-scoring league.
I would love to think there is a sleeper out there, but QB is the most heavily scouted position. Finding another Brock Perdy is a tall order. Again, we'd just end up with another AOC.
But here is where the argument can take a huge turn in our favor. We can build a good team and pursue Arch Manning in the 2026 draft. I like Cam Ward and I do think Sanders will be alright (who IMO is comparable to Cam Newton). I don't think we have to draft a QB with our first round pick. I think we can build the O-Line, and draft a very good QB in the 2nd or 3rd Round. Right now, the one I am thinking of is projected for the 3rd, but when the Combine and workouts happen, his stock will rise. I'm talking about Drew Allar (QB, Penn St), who is very much compared to Josh Allen coming out of college; but I think has a lot more upside than JA.
My only question is one that Ghost brought up about Burrow. He is a talented QB for sure, but is with a bad organization that continues to rid of players and low-ball their contracts and are more worse for the wear. As it stands right now, any QB the Raiders bring in through FA or Draft will be in the same boat. It won't matter how good a talent he is, with no O-Line protection and no running game; he's toast. Reggie had it right, build the trenches and win championships.
Nate, build the trenches first was AP/Kelly motto out of the gate. The Raiders are trying to do that, with JPJ, Glaze, signing Wilkins, etc., but it's not as easy as it sounds.
As for Arch Manning, you're asking for lightning to strike 2x in the same place. For the Raiders to have back-to-back top-2 draft picks it would probably require epic implosion in 2025 with Davis/Brady clearing out the entire building... and Crosby possibly asking to be traded.
Whoever they draft #1, they better be right.
If the Raiders don't draft a QB #1, it certainly won't be OL. It would likely be Travis Hunter. And if their sights are on Allar from Penn State, they can't risk waiting until the 3rd. He would need to be their 2nd pick.
I don't see waiting for Manning as an option (for any team).
NYR......OK, so Kyle Shanahan went to a super bowl with Brock Purdy. But Brock Purdy wouldn't win 2 games with the Raiders. How do I know this ? Because Kyle Shanahan went to a super bowl with Jimmy Garappola, and Garappola couldn't win 2 games with the Raiders.
I would bet if kyle Shanhan had AOC as his QB, he would go to a super bowl with him.
Putting promising young QB's on train wreck teams/organizations, has not proven to be a successful formula.
Gotta quit this, start/stop, build/rebuild, going in circles, mentality. If you havn't noticed, Raiders are going nowhere fast this way.
Lets win some friggin games this season, and than lets use the draft to build an excellent team. AOC will be just fine on a excellent team.
Fair enough. I want the Raiders to try something different, too. That's why I thought AP might be a good choice as HC. But that hasn't gone well. His pick for OC and clock mismanagement have hurt the Raiders this entire season.
I'm for what's best for the team. The problem is, I don't know what's best. These guys get paid a lot to figure that out, and they appear to be guess wrong every time... to the point where it falls on Mark Davis, who has allowed the Raiders to be this bad thru his tenure as owner.
However, I feel strongly that winning games this season is a losing strategy, especially, if the Raiders intend to fire AP. And if they don't draft a QB with their #1 pick, gaining a playmaker like Travis Hunter is better than winning 1-2 more games this season.
They put on a good show to end last season. Look where that got them.
Long-term, the Raiders probably need someone like Vrabel to come in and blow it up, again. I hate to say it, but it's probably true.
Cam Ward and Sanders are the only two bona fide prospects in the draft. Aller has potential but is a long way from polished and is not ready to start in the NFL. The Raiders need to lose out and get one of the two QBs. Prudy is way better than AOC. There is not a team in the NFL that is considered a contender that does not have a quality QB. Draft Sanders and sign a guy like Tee Higgins and bring back key FA on defense and the Raiders are at least a 500 team with room to grow. We need to keep taking swings for a top line QB until we find one. Sorry Joe Burrow has been a big success and took Cinci to the superbowl and won multiple playoff games. Sandy
NY, I still think AP has too many cooks in the kitchen. I get he wants his best mentors surrounding him; but at some point he has to find his own voice as a Head Coach.
I also believe that OC is going to be the biggest decision for the Raiders, not who they draft at QB. Telesco not bringing in Kingsbury hurt the team this season, Getsy should have never been an option. I'm not sure Scott or Norv Turner are the answer. There is definite improvement in the O-Line blocking and running game since they have taken over; but they have dropped from 17.9 pts per game under Getsy, to 17 ppg. We still cannot figure out a way to score. I want to see Carter Bradley at the helm the remainder of the season. What do we have to lose?
It will be interesting to see what happens to Mike McDaniels in Miami. Rumblings that he may lose his job as HC, if that happens AP and Telesco better jump on him quick for OC. Another option right now is Eric Bienemy, after his plan to leave UCLA to jump back into the NFL. Scottie Montgomery (Asst HC/RB Coach, Lions) may also be a great pick up for OC, or Tanner Engstrand (passing game coordinator, Lions). Another rising coach would be Jerrod Johnson (QB Coach, Texans). Other names for OC:
Klay Kubiak (pass game, 9ers) although I think he will be OC for the Saints when Klint Kubiack gets the HC job, Cole Popovich (Asst O-Line Coach, Texans), Tavita Pritchard (QB Coach, Commanders), Kevin Patullo (pass game coordinator, Eagles).
Nate75.....All that info is very interesting. It makes me wonder, when was the last time Raiders had one of their OC's, or DC's, interviewed for a head coaching position by another team ?
Wasn't Patrick Graham in the HC conversation last year? That might change this offseason after pacing the Raiders toward the bottom of the league in many categories.
Graham's problem is he often starts games with soft coverage and doesn't tighten up the defense until it becomes critical to do so. That's when they sometimes excel, but it's often too late.
Lots of names for OC, but one of the Raiders problems IMO has been too many changes and going back and forth with zone blocking, which requires different personnel.
The team has no direction and no clear answers right now.
To Raidernation,
Al-Anon
If we want a QB then maybe go for 1 of the elite guys but maybe the best way to build the team is to go w/ draft a good QB in lower rounds if they are gonna use a special staff to find 1 then they might be able to find some good lists/ couple of QBs' to take a look at. w/ Brady they may be able to find a star in lower rounds. then could use their top pick to draft an elite player at another position.
2 ex-star players w/ no front office experience are gonna put us in the right direction?
Why do we go for the silliest con jobs? its' about
Nate said the NFL wouldn't want A. Manning playing for us: We might miss out on a star QB but we might build a talented roster for '25. Manning would be an interesting/ exciting pick but Nate, I don't think the NFL wants us to have Brady(as a happy guy working with us instead of running us) much less a Manning as a QB for us.
We can have anybody else but not a Brady(playing football/ working for and with us), Elway or Manning QBs'...,no way!
We want to win but to listen to them tell us we need to not use other systems than the 1 we are using now and not get elite players/ coaches is ridiculous.
Raidernation
Al-Anon
Arch Manning? that might be good but we'd have to wait until '26 for him.
Defense!!!!!....we need some
1. CB/
2. DE/ edge- why fans think using Crosby every down is great is a mystery to me but I do know they are thin. another star DE would make the D scary.
3. a strong safety- Epps may not be back. Al always had star safeties and we need to find a good SS.
4. LB- we need a pass covering OLB. the TE is big in the league now so we need to find somebody to slow them down.
5. DT/ they need to find that inside pass rusher to give them a really good DL. a star FA or a rookie to 'coach up' and make into a good NFL player.
A QB is important a defense might help us make a playoff run!
NY Raider, thanks for being a stalwart here and using the links, means a lot!
Al-Anon, appreciate your appreciation!
We got Nate, Ghost and other Anons keeping the fires lit, too. Love y'all.
Much love back at ya Take!
Ghost and NY, I think Patrick Graham will get a call for a Head Coaching job. While the numbers on defense are down this year, most of that is due to the number of 3 and outs on offense. Defense is worn down throughout the game because of it.
At the same time, Graham has gotten more output from Tyree Wilson and others not named Maxx Crosby on the line, and our young CBs have done a nice job overall. Most teams, especially late in the game, are running the ball against us and wearing us out; especially as the offense continues to keep our defense on the field. They have a specialty with that.
Back to the draft. I flip-flop on this too. I like the intrigue of later round QB's, especially with Drew Allar. But we have tried that in the recent past, and past history too, and can never seem to get it right. Maybe we do need to try a high pick like Sanders or Ward; and build around them? This is what the Chiefs did with Alex Smith and Patrick Mahomes. This is what the Bills have done with Josh Allen, and what the Texans have done with CJ Stroud. Either way, we are going to have to build around a QB, right?
Again, IMO, the biggest need for the Raiders in the offseason is going to be OC (and that is if they keep AP as the HC). Just Win, Baby! Much love to you all
Nate, I'm gonna push back a little on the defense wearing down. Of course, it's always a concern but hasn't some of the Raiders best defense since AP took over been in the 4th Q? Defense has made some stops that it regularly failed in the past, which help beat the Chiefs last year and the Ravens this year.
Even with Wilkins out, the Raiders have Butler and Jenkins anchoring the middle. Both have played really well. It would be smart to keep both and avoid more holes to fill. IMO, the Raiders would have a complete and impressive D-line if they just bring everybody back, including Koonce. Cassion has been a nice surprise... and he's young,
I agree, Raiders have some good young corners. Bennett was much improved this year, before his injury. Travis Hunter would be a nice addition if they don't draft a QB.
Frankly, aside from QB, the coaching is probably more in disarray than the roster. The roster might be serviceable with some smart tweaks, plus, the Raiders will be among league leaders in available cap space.
Perhaps the situation is only dire because we don't have smart people running the show... something that has plagued the Raiders for a long time.
To Raidernation,
Al-Anon
So, we are supposed to wait for the draft to see where this team is headed?
What about staff? shouldn't we take care of the A.P. situation? should we keep him and why not stick with our defensive and offensive staff? N. Turner and the old defensive coaches are good guys.
And free agency? star FA's can maybe, help us win but will we change our program and spend on them?
And now, we are going with a new game plan again! this time we think 2 ex-players can help us find good players.
Now, when the Raiders come up with these things is it that we just think they know football or complaining wouldn't change anything so we just accept what they tell us?
Is the NFL that awesome that we should accept what the Raiders are doing? IMO...I think they came up withe MD selling stock in the team! and I think they moved us to L.V. and I think they want a new stake holder group with say in the team.
And I think Raidernation is being conned. its' only right that the fans want to win but to be so desperate that you believe the outright ridiculous plans by a team that has the NFL working with them is strange/ questionable and a mystery to me.
Look the NFL isn't just a hater about the Raiders, they are a huge corporation, its' not about fans, loyalty or legacy- its' about money. Brady as the face of the franchise will get the ratings up! and the media and NFL will make big money off him. but it is ruining the AL legacy because they are trying to make a corporate new' Raiders team without our culture and the connection with the fan base. but they can make money and get more power with new wealthier fans and sponsors giving them money. and that would be cool/ great but not if its' a con game.
If fans can't tell when they are being scammed and that maybe the people claiming we are better off but don't want us to win until the Davis family is gone we should tell them we are 1 Nation and we want the Davis family to stay.
Belichick headed to North Carolina and some think he will bring Scott Turner with him to be OC. Turner has OC experience and was undoubtedly a better candidate than Getsy before the season started. Now we may never know if he has his dad's chops to guide the Raiders offense with a real QB.
Pierce probably sealed his fate with the Getsy hire and fire. I don't know how he can possibly survive this season.
Raiders have become the slot machine that never pays off.
NY Raider
Al-Anon
So we are set on '25? and we are set on a QB? and we want to let more inexperienced guys RUN the team?
I remember when some of you guys said the Raiders didn't have to do the Al thing and get star offensive players just build the D up that it carries us.
Well, here we are listening to the guy(MD) you guys claimed has ruined this team tell us we are going to let 2 star players run the team's front office but- they have no front office experience! if you don't understand may point-
You're going for shiny, sugar coated, hyped up and questionable game plan with hardly any questions that MD is agreeing/ thought up with when you keep saying he doesn't know what he's doing!
What we could do: let the Raiders find a star QB in lower rounds and build a Ravens' or Steelers' like D.
draft: 1. CB 2. QB. 3. OL 4. CB 5. DL 6. WR 7. OL
free ageny: DT, SS, WR, DE
trades: Mariota, A. Rodgers, H. Reddick, D. Lawrence, C. Rush, M. Stafford, V. Miller.
off the street FAs: Tannehill, TP2.
They should make Mattison and McKormick RBs' and use McAllister as a RB. I think Abdullah and Zeus can walk.
This team has top defensive coaches- if they can find star players the D could make us winners.
Raiders' Silver Rush:
R. Gannon
B. Jackson
M. Van Eagan
J. Lofton J. Nelson
L. Murphy R. Ismail
Z. Miller
A. Shell
G. Jackson
B. Robbins
K. Gogan
D. Penn
C-Bass
Ron Brown(KR)
C. Smith
T. Casillas M. Lewis(3-4 NG)
T. Hall
C. Humphrey
C. Matthews
T. Nobis J. Tuggle(3-4 ILB)
F. Kuykendall
'Prime Time'
R. James R. Buchanon(nickle)
S. Case R. Brown(dime)
K. Ross
D. Hester(PR)
T. Armstrong
D. Costa B. Golic(3-4 NG)
C. McGlocktin
G. Townsend
T. Hendricks
D. Birdwell R. Spillane(3-4 ILB)
J. Robinson
M. Haynes
N. Wilson T. Poole(nickle)
M. Giordano M. Epps(dime)
M. Davis
S. Lechler
B.J. Edmonds(PR)
Falcons' Decades Stars:
M. Vick
W. Dunn
W. Andrews
A. Jenkins B. Fennerin
J. Jones R. White
T. Gonzales,J.R. Mitchell(TE #2)
B. Fralic
H. Hoover
J. Van Note
R.C. Thielemann
G. Kunz
C. Patterson(KR)
To Raidernation,
Al-Anon
Sorry,
Roland Lawrence, CB, Falcons' Decades Stars. CB Roland James played for the Patriots.
To Raidernation,
Al-Anon
Sorry, my Raiders' 2nd TE is Ethan Hortan
Crosby out for season! Raiders likely onto 3rd string QB.
Table is set for the Raiders to lose out and have #1 pick in draft.
Sanders, Ward or Hunter. I have no idea which is best for the team. I do know it will be hard to pass on a talent like Travis Hunter if they decide to draft a QB.
I read that if the Raiders win one game, they could drop to the 7th pick. Wow!
Also, the more I read about the two top QBs, the less appealing they seem to me. Both are ranked below top-10 picks, Sanders is below top-20. Some reporting suggests neither would have been a top-5 QB in last year's draft.
Seems superficial to cite rankings like that but it could be a big risk for the Raiders to draft either. This is not a good year to draft a QB.
Question is, what can they do at QB?
Travis Hunter may be the best option in the draft. There are also CB, WR and S options if the Raiders fall back or trade back. All are critical needs.
Meanwhile, the Raiders are projected to have a whopping $112M in cap space.
Q: will the Raiders mismanage the plethora of resources they have?
A: TBD
One option, lose out in 2024 for top pick, trade back, and fill the holes.
As I said before, I have no idea what's best for the team.
NY the best thing is a quarterback the team is going nowhere till they get one. With a decent quarterback they would have had three or four more wins this year alone. I'm bullish on Sanders. I'm also bullish on Ward but I think he'll need a year to develop well Sanders can step in from day one. Sandy
Raiders could blow that option by winning one remaining game. But even if they have the top pick, could it possibly make sense to sign a FA QB and draft Travis Hunter, who seems like a playmaker?
New York I hear you there's something to be said for taking the best available player it worked out well with Bowers. However I am an advocate of to keep taking swings for a Young quarterback rather than pay big money for a Sam darnold. Sandy
I believe we have a QB in AOC. If teams can go to a super bowl with Garappola, & Purdy, it can be done. Just need to put the team around him.
Phil Simms, Nick Foles, Hostetler, Plunkett, Many none "mega star" QB's have won it.
I am hoping Raiders win big tonight. Winning is good for the teams/organizations, soul. Winning is why the Raiders exist. Not to lose for a high draft pick, only to be disappointed, and set back for years.
How do you build a winning culture by tanking/losing ? Winning culture is built by winning. the man didn't say, "Just keep losing season after season until you get the magical QB that might turn it around". No. He said "Just Win Baby". Three simple words for Raiders to live by. Do it tonight. Start a winng trend, and never look back !
Ghost examples you list are few and far between and most of them happen 30 years ago. Jimmy Garoppolo and Brock prudy didn't win the Super Bowl. Name a team that's playoff bound or better yet what could be considered a serious Super Bowl contender and they all have something in common an elite or above average quarterback. Josh Allen Patrick Mahomes, Hurts, Lamar etc. Better yet look at the last 10 Super Bowl winners and find me one who didn't have an elite quarterback. That's the way the NFL is today. Sandy
To Raidernation!,
Al-Anon
The Raiders options aren't that important because now, the NFL is going to be more friendlier toward them! they'll work harder than any new regime to build a winning team because now they have a face they can love(Brady) a new face of the franchise.
They planned to TANK before the season started- they're looking at '25! that's the new Raiders!?
over spending on free agents?
salary cap hell?
untalented big, fast athletes?
bad HCs? yes men staffs?
but he never tried to TANK for a QB! he didn't price out the fan base! he didn't let ANY ex-players
J. Lynch-49ers, Broncos
J. Elway- Broncos
M. Mayhew- Washington
M. Murphy- Packers
G. Halas- Bears/ the man he literally started the NFL. he was a player, coach and owner.
Dolphins- D. Shula was a GM for a short time he played college maybe pro football too.
NYGs- D. Reeves was a GM for a short time he played for the Cowboys.
These are guys who were players or/ and owners but they all took TIME and LEARNED to work in the front office! they didn't just get hired and suddenly became GMs', they bought/ earned stake in a team but didn't just become GMs' or other front office positions.
Wow! 1 of the best fan bases in all of pro sports being made a laughing stock, misused and conned by powerful corporations and thinking they have it better than Al's era! they want to move on from Al's era who helped build this 'modern' corporate NFL and built our best Raiders' teams and we don't think some of his ideas can help us. an old system may not be the answer, moving on from it is sometimes a good thing but to accept a scam and to let the NFL/ media con that we need inexperienced people and the Davis family should keep selling away their team is sad. to move on from a once great regime o.k. but to support the NFL/ media saying we need a new ownership and let inexperienced guys run the front office is being naive. a corporation not a connection to Raidernation.
Ghost, IDK, the Raiders are so depleted by injuries I doubt anyone will take it personal if they lose.
Unfortunately, if the Raiders win one more game they lose access to Hunter, Ward and Sanders.
Mark Davis and everybody watching knows that. IMO, this isn't about a feel-good moment for the Raiders. Their future may depend on it.
But it's not something that needs to be arranged. It will happen organically with the Raiders down to their 2nd and 3rd stringers at many key positions, including QB. Frankly, I'd play Carter Bradley.
Sandy.....your points are well taken. I would say recent super bowls have been dominated by two Qb's, Brady & Mahomes. I don't view Matt Stafford as an all time great, but he won a SB.
The point is, there are more Bryce Young's in the draft than future hall of famers. How many seasons will Carolina waste, waiting for Young, before they return to tanking/losing in effort to take gambit on yet another "future star" Qb ?
I'm not saying the choices are easy, only that winning is better than losing, and the more you lose, the harder it is to win.
NYR....you are correct. The Raiders have "organically losing", down to a science....lol
Ghost I'll give you one more example before this season no one had Washington or Denver being playoff teams and you see what decent quarterback play did for them in terms of winning. Enjoy the game. Sandy
Organic losing!? no, strange injuries and using back ups as excuses to TANK!
We should be able to find a decent QB and win in '25!
Denver is winning because they have an elite HC and a good D!
Washington? well, the NFL wants them to win and, they have a very good QB.
But again, a lot of elite/ top teams of the past used veterans and/ or found steals in lower rounds and had success.
Trading down and going for a defensive draft would be a huge move and a Q
Again, you don't want to hear/ read it but here are some QBs' who might carry the offense until the rookie QB is ready to start:
M. Mariota
C. Rush
M. Barkley
M. Stafford
R. Tannehill
J. Winston
D. Carr
We could build a good D I don't know if you guys still want A.P. as HC but maybe Brady and him could run a good team that is about defense and Brady/ staff can find their QB w/ Raiders trading down in the 1st round and building the defense and Brady working helping find a good/ star QB in lower rounds.
Raiders looking for a QB but trying to keep their regime and letting Brady work with the rookie QB. and a guy like an top CB and OL can help this team win.
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