Jaguars Gameday Thread
Well, what more can be said?
Sorry, Antonio Pierce has to go. I don't care if the team is 'playing hard' for him.
If the coaching, performance and game management aren't there, playing hard and a nickel isn't worth a five-cent cup of jack squat. You think Pierce can get the Raiders back on next season and match wits in the years ahead with Reid, Payton and Harbaugh? No.
Mark Davis is like a child who keeps breaking the same toy. Give him a clean slate and he soils it within 18 months. Rinse and repeat.
How to break the cycle? I'm counting on your takes to sort it out for me.
GO RAIDERS (or is it TANK RAIDERS now)!?
posted by Raider Take at 1:40 PM
13 Comments:
IMO, the cheer is "Tank Raiders!" This game could not be less meaningful, especially, if the intention is to replace Pierce.
We need a head coach and a QB. Both may become less effective with a win today.
Let's not blow it.
What a shame. Raiders in a waiting game to see how far back a meaningless win puts them in the draft order.
Meanwhile, Pierce might be clinging to his job.
We could end up with NO head coach and NO QB, unless we overpay for Sam Darnold.
I know most here are disappointed, but not me. I am glad the Raiders won. I am tired of hearing about the losing streak, and the all important high draft pick. I hope the Raiders win there last two games as well.
You'll never convince me that the road of losing will lead to the road of winning. Yhea, I know, it seemingly has worked for Houston, & Washington. Stroud & Daniels, with new HC's, and they are playoff teams. So were the Bengals with Burrow the first two years, but than they began to fade. Texans & Commanders might fade as well over time.
There's nothing that beats winning. Think about it, if Raiders keep winning, the problem is solving itself. I still believe in AP, and I believe in AOC as the QB. Let's take our best draft position, and build a formidable team around them. Let's upgrade AP's coaching staff too. Stop changing plans every season. Stick to this plan, and see where it leads.
The NFL is a joke, with a handful of teams trying to win championship, while most of the league is trying to lose for a high draft pick. Raiders should break out of the mold. There is little evidence this tanking is working anyway.
Instead of trying to lose, try to win, it just might work. Stop telling everyone they are losers, and the only way to win, is to keep losing. It makes no sense.
So, "Just Win Baby". It's the blueprint Al Davis left behind. A simple plan that can work if applied.
Ghost, you and I differ on this point. I've never wished for the Raiders to lose a game until now, but I feel confident they did not win anything yesterday. Sanders, Ward and Hunter are now out of their reach. One of these guys could have been a franchise player for the Raiders.
The Giants, Jags and other teams are playing to lose for a reason. The Giants so much so they dumped their starting QB weeks ago.
The Giants now control the draft. They will not trade back. The Jags might, but it will cost the Raiders high draft capital or, worse, the only franchise player the Raiders have, Maxx Crosby.
I would say this, be careful what you wish for.
The Raiders just traded a franchise player for one win.
One more win against the Saints and maybe we can keep Pierce as HC and AOC as QB1. Then we can do this again next year.
Completely agree with you New York until we get a franchise quarterback mediocrity is the best we can hope for or even worse in the case of this year. I'm not saying Sanders or Ward is the second coming of John Elway but they're one hell of a lot better than AOC. Happy holidays Sandy
To Raidernation,
Al-Anon
Yes! get a high draft pick but we don't need to TANK for the overall 1st round pick!!
Yes, win and try to get some things fixed before the season ends.
Raiders should show they want to win rather than TANK. they are gonna look for a "Franchise QB" later in the 1st round or have a group with a special job of looking at and stealing a star or a good QB to 'coach up' or a future starter draft pick following coaches at practice and holding running tasks for them.
Win and try to get some things fixed this year and have things to build on for next year! this team might have a special group of staff to find their QB and they will be focused on 1 and w/ Brady they may be able to take a chance, draft an elite OL or defensive player in the 1st round and find a star QB in lower rounds.
They have the man to find a QB so they don't have to go after the top 2 guys. they have two ways to go draft an elite QB or
get a high draft pick or trade it down for other positions and then find a steal/ future starter in lower rounds.
To NY Raider,
Al-Anon
You don't want to lose but you want to support bad and shady ways to win. Raiders were about winning and felt they had the front office to find their kind of players to win.
Now, I understand if there is a huge hole and there are some elite college players in the 1st round and even though they're gonna miss the playoffs they sometimes a team wants fans/ players to know they want to win out and be motivated for next year. they may miss a superstar/ future HOF'er but they want to be motivated/ have a winning attitude and culture. and they'll work hard/ depend on their front office to find draft star players and spend on star FAs' to win.
Sandy, the Raiders obviously know more than we do about their plans. Or do they? Mark Davis strikes me as a bit of a simpleton, playboy first, kind of guy who has demonstrated he's more interested in cashing in his Vegas chips.
The Raiders are the only crappy team playing hard. For what?
IMO, that only makes sense if they keep Antonio Pierce AND they don't have confidence in Sanders or Ward. If Pierce is truly out the door, then allowing him to win games at the expense of the Raiders future makes no sense (he should already be fired). Other teams understand that. Even the Jags looked like a team who didn't mind losing for the cause.
How often does any team get the #1 pick? Most teams, never.
Raiders are a multi-billion organization on a sugar high from one win in a lost season, with no vision for the future.
A winning formula probably requires some sacrifice.
NY Raider,
Al-Anon
A simpleton?: MD- you said he did a smart/ great move to move to L.V.,. that he made good hires of Reggie, Gruden II and A.P. now you say he's not a good owner?
A.P.?: you said he might be a very good coach for us. and now you say he should be fired?
No #1 pick?: you've said that elite and star players aren't that important if you have the game plan/ system and can 'coach 'em up'. the way the Raiders TANKED is not good for morale or motivation and a good front office can find good draft picks in lower rounds.
Why do the Raiders need the 1st overall pick for a QB if Brady knows how to find a good 1?
"Even the Jags looked like a team who didn't mind losing for the cause." That's right NYR, and how long have the jags been losing for their cause ? This is just the latest season of their losing. And they'll be plenty more losing in the future, since they don't seem to mind it.
AP & AOC lost their best offensive player when Raiders let Jacobs walk. Then Adams wanted out when he saw things going south. TE, Mike Meyers stepped away for a few games. And AOC was left to be battered behind a shaky offensive line. And picking the wrong OC, in off season didn't help matters.
If you guys think Ward, or Sanders can do better on this team, I point you toward Caleb Williams in Chicago.
You want all the eggs in the QB basket ? Ok, but don't drop it.
The cycle of losing only leads to more losing. How many bites at the draft apple have the tanking Jags taken already ?
Use the draft to build the best team you can. Give AP & AOC a chance to succeed. But they'll need something to work with.
The Raiders decided to TANK before the season started. A.P. is not good or bad as a HC this year because the idea was to lose.
Jacksonville is a modern franchise and trying to get an elite/ star college player! forget winning to win. I can understand like somebody posted an Elway, Marino or "Prime Time" but not every time you see a star and want him. you might have to pass on a star and get a good/ star player lower in the 1st round.
The Jags are a small market them and like Oakland, the NFL doesn't worry much about them- and they haven't been very good for awhile so that may also be the case w/ their front office.
The NFL wants to make money and these young QB's sell rookie jerseys so that's 1 way to win for bad teams even if they c
Ghost, retaining AP and AOC is definitely a path I could see the Raiders taking. However, I wonder if that path is more likely to break the cycle than going for a standout QB at the top of the draft. Sure, there's high risk, but it's worth it if you end up with another CJ Stroud or Jayden Daniels, or even Bo Nix.
I get your Caleb Williams reference, but having a prototypical QB is far better than not having one... the Raiders should be so lucky.
The Raiders will have $112M in cap space, so I don't think they would be putting all their eggs in one place by targeting a top QB in the draft. Just the opposite. They have more resources than most teams, by a lot.
In the end, I think most of us can agree, the Raiders biggest problem is the Raiders. They are guess-wrong far too often, to the point of incompetence.
Why should this off-season be any different?
Here's a headline that will have legs for a while.
"Raiders Predicted to Swing Massive NFL Draft Trade for Franchise QB
That's what stupid organizations do. They made their bed. If they trade up for a QB and expend resources now, that would be nothing short of pathetic. They had the top draft pick two days ago.
MY current take:
Raiders should re-sign several of their own key free agents, e.g., Spillane, Butler, Moehrig, to name a few.
Sign Sam Darnold or Russell Wilson, or even Justin Fields to compete with O"Connell (whose career seems to be headed toward being a serviceable backup). But keep it real, don't overpay for a FA QB out of desperation!
Draft the best available player in Round 1, ala Brock Bowers, and maybe Rounds 2-3, if a player(s) stands out. Perhaps draft a sleeper QB in the middle of the draft.
Option 2: Scorch earth approach. Go young across the roster, lose out and draft Arch Manning next year. That probably means trading Crosby for draft capital. Let's face it, Crosby deserves better.
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