Raiders Fire Antonio Pierce
This was inevitable the moment he was hired. Sorry, but truth.
And while the Broncos were hiring Sean Payton and drafting Bo Nix, and the Chargers were pairing Jim Harbaugh with Justin Herbert, Mark Davis was performing his favorite pastime: rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.
Is Mark Davis FINALLY ready to get serious? We are already YEARS behind our division rivals. The only question now is how many. Davis needs to find a way to shorten that timeline as much as possible.
To date, he hasn't demonstrated any capability of doing that. And so yet another waiting game unfolds.
posted by Raider Take at 2:18 PM
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To Raider Take,
Al-Anon
No, not really! if you think the Raiders just made a big time move to fix this problem then you're just looking at the start of a lot of house cleaning for another new regime!
Oh Take, we are FINALLY going to WIN! but its' going to be a generic, bitter-sweet and fake show! this is the NFL's move and they're making T. Brady and his partners the bosses!
A.P. was hired to keep us watching and hoping while they TANKED! for a high draft pick not a QB but some players to help whoever we can find in the draft or free agency.
They told us this was going to be a winning year. they hyped A.P.
The ghost of Al Davis with another vaccine infomercial post telling us it's the NFL's fault.
"Rearranging deck chairs on the Titantic." That's perfect.
Perhaps the most iconic place where the Raiders used to take their opponents is exactly where they find themselves, The Black Hole.
I don't know anymore. Not that I ever did. But with every change and every failure, the common denominator has been Mark Davis. His incompetence appears to be contagious inside the Raiders organization.
Davis historically has seemed disinterested in conducting interviews. Didn't he fly to Denver to hand Del Rio the HC job? And his man-crush on Jon Gruden rewarded Gruden with an unprecedented 10-year $100M contract. McDaniels was the preverbal "can't beat 'em, then join 'em" hire. And Jim Harbaugh was never even mentioned by Raiders org when Pierce was hired.
And let's face it, Telesco isn't exactly beaming with good history in this department either.
The only variable right now is, you guessed it, Tom Brady. The GOAT! He's the only hope we have that someone with enough intelligence to light a match will help guide the Raiders through this process and out of the black hole they now find themselves in.
Otherwise, it's just another low in Raiders' history.
To other Anon,
Al Anon,
Once again Raidernation:
MD doesn't make football decisions.
didn't hire Reggie the NFL did
didn't hire the Pats' guys the NFL did.
please stop blaming him for this mess he didn't make those decisions, it was his staff.
may've hired Gruden/ Mayock.
Al's Raiders:
chain of command, 1-3 men run the whole team, Al was the boss.
find that player
spend big, take reaches/ chances in the draft
be ready to change nothing stays the same
find speed and use it!
loyalty to fans and players.
The NFL:
Money- mo' money and investments.
power and legal help from law suits.
billionaires run the league, the Commissioner should just let them handle issues.
Unions are bad unless they are cooperating with the owners/ NFL.
turn the NFL into a joke of a league and even
new stadiums and entertainment
put down on Al but use the system that changed pro sports forever("franchise free agency") that he helped create.
The new Raiders:
use the Patriot way/ NFL system.
manage the salary cap.
get players that fit the system even if you have to reach in the 1st round.
fans?
get wealthier and ?
whoever the NFL says get hire him!
don't offend the other owners!
other Anon wow! what a team! you've not only supported a joke but a scam made by a corporation that may not like the Raiders a lot.
don't sign super star FA's because they are too expensive.
let an inexperienced ex-super star player run your team knowing that's not a wise decision.
Gruden
Hue
Harbaugh
Musgrave
Turner
Shaw
The NFL and Raidernation:
they want us to support Brady/ Seymore running some of the team?
they moved us to L.V. to make money not help the Raiders.
Raidernation;
thinks more inexperienced people can take us back to glory.
thinks Al was the worst when he was 1 of the best GMs' in pro sports history.
supports everything the NFL plans for us even when they know the league has never really liked us.
will lose then go for other new plans and not ask/ complain about getting new ideas.
Well, here we go again ! I'll throw Pete Carroll's name in the hat. Carroll has the gravitas to go toe to toe with the other AFC HC's. He is 71 years old, but a youthful guy with plenty of energy, (he'll need it). And, he's actually won a super bowl without Brady, or Mahomes as his Qb, (shoulda won two).
That's my two cents. Now we can all sit back and watch Mark Davis screw it up !
Lots of backlash on the Internet toward Davis for waiting an extra day to fire Pierce, forcing Pierce to go in front of media and defend his HC job that he unknowingly was about to lose. It's a bit classless and you can bet would-be HCs see that. Perhaps Mark wants people to think he's quirky like Al, with the white villain suits.
Raiders are presently the only team that fired their HC and haven't interviewed or lined up multiple interviews for a replacement. The clock is far from expiring but if you start from behind you often end up behind. Maybe it's safe to say, their ability to compete during the offseason matches their ability during the season.
With all the build-up and time the Raiders had to prepare for this moment, it just looks like they are stumbling out of the gate, just like last year.
Making the job even less appealing, the Raiders don't have a QB1 and they have no clear path to obtaining a QB.
In the end, money talks. Is Davis willing to shell it out? Apparently, he has plenty of it.
I agree with you Ghost! Bring Pete Carroll in for an interview. I'd also bring in Klint Kubiak for an interview. There are good coaching prospects that we can talk to right now. I would seriously steer away from Vrabel, Deion Sanders, and a few other names floating around (Kellen Moore). Raiders have requested to interview Ben Johnson and Aaron Glenn; but would have to wait until after the post-season ends for them to make a hire, which may be after the Super Bowl. Not sure they can wait that long.
NY, as far as how AP was let go, this is Mark's MO. He pretty much did the same to Del Rio before the season started. Del Rio and Gruden shared the same agent, and Mark was negotiating for Gruden's return at the end of 2016-17, before the 17-18 season started. I think that played into not bringing Musgrave back, and the horrible season.
All that said, we don't have to wait to interview candidates that are more than capable. There are good coaches that are not getting a lot of media push.
Headline:
"Raiders request interviews with Ben Johnson, Aaron Glenn"
These two Lions coaches are among top coordinators in the NFL today. Johnson represents a huge upgrade over the Raider offensive playcalling.
Perhaps there's some sanity in an insane world of LV. The jury is still out.
Raiders have also requested an interview with Chiefs D Coordinator Steve Spagnuolo. A few other names that are available to interview now: Eric Bienemy, David Shaw, Pep Hamilton, Marcus Freeman (Notre Dame HC), and Matt Campbell (Iowa St HC).
Firing A.P. for TANKING?
The didn't interview 5 elite HC
Saban, Bellichick, Harbaugh, Shaw and Peyton,
I know, it was bad decisions now, you guys are throwing Mark and A.P. under the bus after saying it was a great hire(A.P.)
Maybe it was the NFL look, the Raiders TANK, make Brady a partner and ? a front office exec. They suddenly are the worst best team in the league they suck but they have these great players-?
Now, Brady is hiring the HC-? The team fires it's HC knowing they were TANKING. the trade their best player D. Adams for almost nothing in return and Raidernation/ NFL fans think they got a huge x-factor/ game plan for '25.
Anon,
I supported the AP hire, thought it was a bold move, and even how things went this season, the team played their heart out for him. I felt he should have been given another year to right the ship. I thought it was classless to make him go out and give a media conference where he talked about he was still the coach, and then they fired him the next day.
The bottom line, we all know the teams that have turned around quickly, and those that haven't. The Lions turned around hard, the Washington Commanders this year, the Texans, the Doncos, the Bucs, etc. Then there are teams who seem to not struggle regardless of major changes, that was the Vikings this year.
But then you have teams who can't seem to figure that out. The Browns, Bengals, Bears, Saints, Cowboys, Jags, Dolphins, Jets, and even the Raiders. Some of it is roster, some of it is coaching, most of it falls on ownership.
When Mark took over the team, it was no secret the organization was in disarray. More has come to light since the move to Vegas that was previously unknown (like the Raiders unwittingly paying Oakland/Alameda three times the agreed amount for rent). Clown car disarray, like things that should have been obvious.
Reggie came in and cleaned up the salary cap mess and was putting a team together, when he was shown the door. Mayock was a puppet for Gruden. The team moved, organizational brass was let go, and new ones hired. The organization is finally coming under some solid structure; and they were hoping for a quick turn around with Pierce. But they also shot AP in the foot by not getting him Kingsbury. It is almost as if Mark takes a step forward in the right direction, only to take 3 back.
We also said it when McDummy was fired, that some of the things he pulled set our organization back 5 years, like getting rid of a premier QB without a back up plan. I truly think if he was still HC, Crosby would have been traded; that's how stupid he is.
I don't think AP was tanking. But without a running game, and an OC and interim OC that wasn't playing to the strengths of the players; we weren't winning. I think the bottom line in AP's firing was solely not winning, but also having too many cooks in the kitchen. With that many cooks in the kitchen that he brought with him, he had to do better than 4 wins.
The Athletic had a nice breakdown of the firing. The terrible roster worked in AP's favor. But the poor coaching staff choices and chronic game management issues indicated that AP wasn't ready for the job. Surprise surprise. Next time don't let the players hire the coach. I hate that it's Tom Brady of all people who might finally bring some smarts to the top of the org, but that's where we're at. You ever wonder why Raiders head coaches almost seemingly NEVER get a look at another HC job? It's because they were bad hires right from the start. McDaniels and AP back to back, come on. Mark's driving a clown car, but Brady may end up driving the bus.
Anyone hear of Sparano (RIP), Del Rio, Bisaccia, McDaniels, AP, etc. getting looks for the current openings? No. There was Dennis Allen going to the Saints, which ended predictably and he'll likely never get another look. And Hue Jackson at the Browns LOL. Honestly, what a murderer's row.
No,
Turner- Chargers kicked our buts and dominated the AFC West for a few years.
Hue- maybe not as bad as you think! he wasn't the problem in Cleveland and he had us close to the playoffs in '11.
Cable- a good OL coach but not the best HC but he did have some strong points. his problem was he had baggage/ issues and/ or somebody was causing problems insider Raiders. and then Hue was a top OC his 1st year as Cable's OC and Al decided to make Hue HC the next year('11).
Callighan- we didn't know he didn't like the Raiders. he was a good assistant and would've been o.k. as a HC I think he was a little better than Cable as a HC. he wasn't a bad HC but his attitude was terrible. I don't think Al was to blame for the losing and I think Callighan wasn't to blame but just didn't do much to win for some reason and really- he just wasn't a good thing for the team and IMO..may've helped cause the problems inside team but some support him saying 'he had to deal with Al' and he was unfairly attacked by fans and some say he 'did/ didn't do things he should've to get team to focus on winning' and not saying it's true wanted to get fired and start problems by calling the Raiders the "dumbest team in America"- they were the defending AFC Champions and were an elite team without R. Gannon or coach Gruden.
S. Peyton- was HC for a few days and going to go to Raiders' office to sign with team but SOMEBODY told him not to. w/ Al he could've learned a lot.
No Take, Al didn't do a bad job with his HCs'. he did a decent job and didn't need an elite HC because he was an elite/ top GM.
Al Anon, trying to defend the indefensible.
It's not a good look.
Just like above, telling us the Raiders were "tanking" when they were winning games. Makes no sense. Not sure how you expect us to process that.
Take, my observation is not just the bad choices made, but a disinterest in interviewing and due diligence. Davis rolls on a whim.
But isn't it ironic that the guy directly involved in the tuck game is now who we're looking to be our savor? I guess he didn't make the call, but still. I don't know if I should laugh or cry.
Raiders just fired Tom Telesco.
Not sure what Telesco did to get hired in the first place, but he didn't do anything to get fired. He actually had a decent draft.
It's a clown show in LV.
Mark Davis should move Raiders HQ to Circus Circus. He can headline.
The Raiders are bad. Not just a little bit, and not just for a short while. Pretending they've had good coaches or talented GMs over the past 22 years is a joke.
Telesco and Pierce hirings and firings are on Mark Davis. Nobody hires a GM who just gets fired from the same position, and nobody hires and fires a GM in one season. Except Davis! Telesco actually did some good. Firing him now only means Davis shouldn't have hired him.
Honestly, being a Raiders fan in 2025 has a Stockholm Syndrome vibe to it. There's been no reason to be a Raiders fan for decades.
If Mark Davis is involved in the current process, I have no confidence.
Which begs the question, has Tom Brady taken charge of the Raiders?
Yhea, this is quite a gamble by Mark Davis. We can see where this is going. Davis is going to lean on Tom Brady to recreate the Raiders in the Patriots image. How much power Brady will end up with we can only guess.
But what does Brady know about building a winning football organization ? Yes, he was a great Qb, perhaps the goat as they call him. But his teams won because he was under center, not because he was a mastermind of roster building.
John Unitas, Terry Bradshaw, Joe Montana, Dan Marino, all great Qb's. None of them ever became a GM and built a championship team.
Tom Brady, and I respect his accomplishments, isn't even that good of a broadcaster, let alone now he is Mark Davis' right hand man. He is Mr. fix it, with a part owner/Gm hat and all the answers.
Mark Davis is probably sure he has the right formula this time. But Davis always thinks he has the right mix, only to tear it down on a whim, and start over from square one.
While we've watched other organizations advancing, Mark Davis prefers to go in circles, fade to the back of the pack, and end up in last place.
Its at the point that I am nit sure Mark Davis knows what he is doing. This is ridiculous
Looks like the Jets and Bears have the most aggressive strategies so far for finding a new HC. Doesn't make them right. But it might make them more prepared to compete for a HC in an extremely competitive environment.
Maybe the Raiders have changed things up by putting Tom Brady in charge, but they look like the same ole Raiders, behind the curve. They spent the past week slow walking their firings while other teams were interviewing.
Some things never change. It's quite possible that Brady, the GOAT, has connected himself with an organization which will bring losing to his resume.
The Raiders lost out on Jim Harbaugh last year. Either they were disinterested in Harbaugh (whom they never interviewed) or Harbaugh was disinterested in them.
This year, Belichick was gone before the process started, and now the Raiders are being connected to Pete Carroll. Both these guys are great coaches, but they're both also in their 70s. Are the Raiders, who have one of the youngest teams, looking for the oldest coach? Doesn't sound sustainable.
Perhaps I'm still overreacting, but it just seems to me the Raiders are in slow gear, again. They look incapable of competing at any level.
I think they like to give off a slow and deliberate vibe, but it's their incompetence that always seems to survive this process.
This will be the Raiders 8th head coach since 2012. Subtract Gruden and his unheralded departure, and that's about 1.3 years per coach.
So, yeah, it's well established, Mark Davis doesn't know what he's doing.
Ian Rappaport is reporting that Ben Johnson is the leading candidate after his interview yesterday, and Pete is not far behind. To be honest, I would love either. As far as GM goes, I hope Kelly gets a fair shake. But my bet is that Brady may take this role himself. He may as well if he has the sole voice in football ops.
Brady has a huge broadcasting contract, well above any compensation he would receive from the Raiders. I assume he wants to get paid. Plus, there's an inherent conflict taking on such a prominent role, i.e., unless the Raiders, the NFL and Fox are all okay with it.
My guess is, Brady stays behind the scenes while making the decisions that Davis is incapable, for better or worse.
Raiders have hired a consultant to help find HC and GM.
https://tinyurl.com/59y8mpx9
Man, all this over a guy you know wouldn't come to the Raiders for nothing! you think MD did all of this? why is it that you are the only guys in all of pro sports loyal to something you've tried to prove was wrong!?
Al was an awesome, elite and top GM and you said its' time for him to go. then you support the team hiring Reggie and you say give him time then support him resigning/ being fired- then, you are all behind Del Rio but throw him under the bus after he takes you to the playoffs- oh, this is good 1, Gruden/ Mayock are hired and you say we're gonna turn this mess around but later you say he needs' to go and that the ST's coach was the better coach!
Raidernation, really!?
This isn't about Brady, its' about the NFL/ owners and a scam! trying to finally take the team from the Davis family!
This fan base is naive and it won't open its' eyes and look at a con job.
To NY Raider,
Al Anon
Oh, yes they TANKED they planned it! and yes they won games they could've lost on purpose but maybe the NFL didn't want them to have the top pick. they may be planning another ridiculous move- they could do the smart/ right thing and draft and elite defender or trade down but they may trade 1st round pick for a veteran QB.
The NFL is advising them so, I guess they won a few
The HC wins a few games and is still fired, the GM has a decent draft and is fired! its' not MD/ or bad decisions- its' the NFL again. they still don't like us but they'll start helping us now that Brady is here but still they don't want us to have the top pick in the draft not a QB so the Raiders will draft/ trade down at another position.
Again, MD doesn't make decisions and didn't fired these guys. the fu
It really doesn't matter if a player was our enemy/ kicked our asses if he really cares and wants to win that's good but when somebody is only being hyped so he can later run the program that's sad/ a scam. wow! you think other fan bases are this naive/ clueless or desperate to win they won't look at the situations?
NY Raider,
Al-Anon
So now its' Brady who will rescue/ be the hero? you have some really strange ideas but so does the other guys on this blog!
Al Davis was a legendary, elite and top GM. R. Wolfe was a very good assistant GM. Reggie was at least a long time scout/ personnel dept. guy and Telesco was too but you want to say T. Brady will turn this mess around!? oh yes, he will! but what does have to w/ ownership!? why did MD have to sell him so much stock!? if he wanted to be a front office guy why not invite/ interview him to be 1?
But you see, MD doesn't make many decisions and the NFL is just trying it's hardest to see this team turn into a real NFL team. we aren't and never should be we are an NFL team with AFL attitude.
the NFL is awesome but its' about money and Al was about winning and money later. we had something special and now the NFL wants to make it an NFL franchise w/ all the conservative, profit motive and PARITY schemes they can have. the older fans see something is wrong and the younger 1's can't understand why all the mediocrity no matter what we do. but they both still buy the NFL's scams. they throw the man who helped build pro sports in America and helped create Raidernation under the bus and have the nerve to go for another con job they may know is going to take the team from the Davis family in a few years or years from now.
If you don't want the Davis family that's 1 thing but to buy into the scam that haters from the NFL want to help us when its' been them allegedly ruining this team.
Not sure Brady will stay in broadcasting.
Ben Johnson makes AOC a better QB, and probably drafts one not in 1st though.
Pete Carroll makes the whole team better and brings experienced coordinators.
Rumors today that Dieon is interested in Raiders job, but are the Raiders interested in him?
Nate, it appears this thing is going to take time to play out. Mark Davis hired a consulting firm to help undertake the search for HC and GM. I posted a URL above. Given Davis's propensity to fail, it's probably a smart move. But will the deliberate nature of a third-party collaboration slow the process so much they lose out on top prospects like Ben Johnson?
I don't see Deon Sanders coaching the Raiders, with or without Shedeur. He seems like a loose cannon, and the Raiders certainly don't need to pay a consultant to take a risk with Sanders.
The article (URL) below puts some context on the dysfunction that has existed in the Raiders org since "the turn of the century."
One interesting point was that Mark Davis hired Pierce after convening with Adams, Jacobs and Crosby, two of whom are no longer with the team.
https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/report_is_raiders_owner_mark_davis_a_part_of_the_problem/s1_16640_41561912
Pats hired Vrabel as their new head coach. It sounds quick, but the Pats interviewed many candidates.
My understanding is that the Raiders never interviewed Vrabel. This substantiates my earlier statement and concern that the Raiders started this process flatfooted. They were slow out of the gate, again!
Vrabel might not have been the right guy, but the Raiders lack of urgency in the process precluded them from making an informed decision.
The off-season is just as competitive as the season, and the Raiders lack aptitude for both seasons.
P.S. Pats interviewed both Mike Vrabel and Ben Johnson and went with Vrabel. The Raiders were too slow and will never get an opportunity to make that comparison.
Here's a URL to PFT's head coach tracker. The Raiders are behind every team looking. It's so disappointing to watch this play out like it has so many times before.
https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/2025-nfl-head-coach-and-general-manager-change-tracker
No, not really but its' the new Raiders! Al would take his time with a HC and he didn't worry too much about how long it would take mainly because he was going to help/ teach and train his guy anyway. but this isn't Al's era so, the Raiders are trying to copy other teams. Vrable being a Patriot is great for them and good for us! we're gonna be dealing with the Patriot way' anyway/ already so maybe a coach from a different system might be good. and gives us more than just the Patriot way'- good coach but Raiders need to find a top/ elite HC.
The problem is the NFL tells us what to do and the fan base has bought into ridiculous and strange claims by the media/ Raiders. it may seem like good ideas but nobody is doing anything like this and winning and even if we do why is it suddenly great to see inexperienced guys run a team that's been losing for a long time? it may seem like we are buying into a scam.
To NY Raider, Raiders slow and losing chance to hire good HCs? part II
Al Anon
Players told MD to hire A.P.?: The NFL told them to keep A.P. if they didn't hire him themselves.
This team isn't in control of its' own front office.
BTW....in a PARITY league please stop putting Al's last roster down! it only makes my claims stronger. if mediocrity can win in a PARITY AL should've been to the SB maybe twice after '02.
The old Raiders took their team finding a HC but that was because Al was gonna work with him anyway. we lost a huge advantage when he passed away. we need to question the NFL and their action with the Raiders and we are trying to buy that you can do anything and fail and it's just a few things to work out but if it's Al's era- Oh no!!!- that's a bad thing and its' a good thing its' gone.
When you choose gaslighting and fabrication over informed discourse, you're not credible. Show any media report that suggests the NFL told the Raiders to hire or fire AP.
Google it! Maybe A.I. can help you find the truth, for a change.
Funny, you have not referenced a single media report since you've been posting here. I wonder why?
I would be happy with Ben Johnson or Pete Carroll and Abdul Carter as our pick. Sandy
To NY Raider,
Al-Anon
Well, you know I can't do that because:
1. they did it illegally and don't want the public to know it.
2. they feuded with Al for years and didn't want the public to know they did things to him like he did to them. they wanted to look like the victims of a mad man.
3. they have corporate America and the media on their side and when somebody/ groups accuse them of corruption or even sues them they can hold he truth/ stories back for months and years and get only a little media play.
Did you think the Elway conspiracy was made public? no people leaked it.
Did you seriously think Al's connection w/ NFLPA boss G. Upshaw fighting the NFL would be shown to the public by the media?
Did you think all that none sense about Al "losing his touch" and being "the worst team in the NFL" would be investigated/ proven false by the media? an elite team('00-'03) becoming the worst in pro sports because 1 of the best GMs' ever over paid guys and 'meddled' w/ his staff? or the NFL suddenly "passed him by" after the SB?
No NY! stop the none sense! it was truly Al against the world- the sports world or/ and the NFL!
Don't you know Raiderhaters can't even enjoy this because the Raiders have literally ruined themselves every year in front of the fans
Nobody:
1. lets inexperienced ex-superstar/ star players run some of their front office without somebody to help them.
2. nobody TANKS a season then purposely wins and not get the 1 or 2 overall pick!
3. nobody fires all of legendary/ iconic owner's employees and bring in a lot of o.k., average-good staff but not as experienced or successful as the old owner's staff. and they don't hire inexperienced GMs' and let them fire ALL of the old owner's staff.
No real evidence but:
The move to L.V. Maybe Al talked about it but he wouldn't move to L.V. to lose his team or because the league wanted him to. the league didn't do anything to keep the team in Oakland and that's why I know they're the 1's behind the move.
The Raiders are terrible, mediocre and a joke. for years they refused to elite stars out of 12-13 years the new regimes drafted 2 elite players(K. Mack, B. Bowers) that doesn't make sense! only if the NFL wanted the team to be mediocre for excuse to make some move in the future to over haul the team.
Won't let an ex-player be on the staff. Reggie was an ex-Raider who the NFL hired to run the team and erase Al's era. Gruden was kept/ blocked from doing anything to win and eventually pressured to resign.
The NFLPA has been ruined by the owners, it used to be awesome and it was about the players but now it is just an average Union because the league/ owners didn't want them to ever fight/ challenge them after Al and G. Upshaw kept the Union strong.
Wow NY!, if somebody told me a guy is going to come and turn this team around but doesnt' have any front office experience I'd be a little upset/ worried.
I'd prefer a younger HC for longevity, but yes. As Nate said, Ben Johnson would be a big upgrade to the offense... even with AOC (as stopgap).
Ben Johnson turned down the Seahawks and another team last year. He might be tough for the Raiders to sign, if they so choose.
$$$$
The Raiders have 3 teams but 1 goal.
1st team: a small trace of Al's era w/ its' own culture a commitment to fans/ players and 'the game'. but its' getting its' getting smaller and smaller.
2. the new eras: yea, there's the model NFL, modern NFL way. build a good team, don't over spend on star FA's, manage the salary cap and get good FA deals, and try to get elite/ top FAs' you do sign to change their contracts or take pay cuts/ lower pay.
3. the new finally, corporate, model franchise Raiders. a new group of partners and Brady running the team. its' image is being wealthy, powerful and entertaining fans- all fans at the "death star" and in L.V. it's not commitment to anything but the NFL and its' glamour, entertainment events/ programs and making more money.
I like Pete Carroll right now as the choice. BTW, he is interviewing today (Monday, Jan 13th). Pete has a history of giving it to Jim Harbaugh, Andy Reid, and Sean Payton. But that is also dependent on who he brings in as OC. Also, Pete has a negative history of trying to out smart himself (USC v UT, not handing off to Marshawn vs Pats). We can't have that. Gruden falls in that category quite a bit too.
Ben Johnson would do wonders for the offense here, but who would he get to be DC? Would he call the offense? If so, will he have a coach to help him manage the game? I think Campbell works in Detroit because he focuses on managing the game, and completely trusts his Coordinators. Will Ben do the same if hired? To me, Ben has a lot more question marks than Pete, but both are a gamble in a positive way.
Kliff Kingsbury had Red Zone issues last night against Tampa, and that was his issue as HC in Arizona as well. As creative as he is, when he is within the 20 yard line, can't seem to scheme enough to punch it in. He still has a lot of questions marks for me; but he'd definitely would have been a better OC than Getsy.
Patrick Graham interviewed with the Jags. If there is a team more dysfunctional than the Raiders right now it is the Jags. But, I wish him well, he is the smartest man in football.
Vrabel going to the Pats. Good, and to be clear, I am glad we did not interview him. He is Josh McDaniels 2.0. Which, he is bringing McDaniels in as his OC. Can't wait to see this dumpster fire.
Robert Saleh is also interviewing with the Raiders today. I like Robert, he is a great motivator like AP was; but unsure that he can get the job done. Again, like Ben Johnson, he'd have to bring in a top-notch OC and DC, and learn to just manage the game.
We will see what happens. I just hope they are able to make a decision soon. I'm really not sure we can wait until after the Super Bowl to hire a HC and staff. I think before that happens, they will need to hire a GM too; unless Brady places himself in that role.
Not sure I can opine on any of the coaches mentioned. I'm on the outside looking in and have little confidence in my own ability to judge the best candidate based on my own observations.
We've seen so many coordinators fail as HC, including some of the ones the Raiders are now pursuing, e.g., Vance Joseph.
Mike McCarthy's contract with the Cowboys expires tomorrow.
To NY Raider,
Al-Anon
Happy New Year!!
Go Raiders!!!
So we think inexperience is the best way to build a team? or is it that 9 years of Al's losing made us buy almost anything they say?
Why is it we just can't do what other bad teams have done? like:
hire a top/ elite HC
trade down or up in the draft
The thing you need to understand it's not how good the HC might/ might not be its' the fact that Al was always there to help/ teach the new HC! its' not that we can't find a top unknown/ under the radar HC its' that there's nobody like Al to train/ teach him right now.
We are competing with a rising/ top and tough AFC West and we are looking like we're trying ruin/ TANK this team.
Sam Darnold showed his true colors last night as he choked against the Rams. Darnold was often under pressure but he regularly missed simple screens and intermediate passes by throwing in front of and behind receivers, at their feet and over their head. Meanwhile, Stafford - also under pressure - was masterful.
IMO, Darnold lost millions of dollars in potential contract money next year. It's like that missed putt in the Masters to fall from 1st to 11th place.
My sincere hope is that the Raiders look the other way. Darnold is another Kirk Cousins mistake for some team stupid enough to overpay him.
So apparently, doing Mock Draft simulators, I found there were several picks I made that were "unreasonable." So here is my Mock 2.0:
1st - Abdul Carter (DE, Penn St)
2nd - Trey Amos (CB, Ole Miss)
3rda - Kaleb Johnson (RB, Iowa)
3rdb - Jonah Monheim (C/OG/OT, USC)
4th - Will Howard (QB, Ohio St)
5th - Shiloh Sanders (S, Colorado)
6tha - Tai Felton (WR, Maryland)
6thb - Darius Alexander (DT, Toledo)
6thc - Grey Zabel (OT, North Dakota St)
7th - Hunter Zambrano (OG, Illinois St)
I'm not qualified to do a mock draft. But IMO (today), the Raiders go WR or CB with their top pick. And I'm hoping there's a sleeper QB in Round 2-3.
1st - WR/CB (leaning toward WR if Ben Johnson becomes HC)
2nd - QB (please let there be a sleeper)
3rd - WR/CB (whichever didn't get drafted 1st)
3rd - Best available at position of need (which is wide open)
The Raiders have good FA Edge players they can easily afford to re-sign.
I don't think Will Howard will be around in the 4th. He's in the spotlight. He could make huge stride in his draft stock... or go "Sam Darnold" and choke.
Headline:
"NFL playoffs remaining starting QBs were seven first-round picks and a second-round pick."
Apparently, the NFL has gotten better at identifying QB talent at the top of the draft. For any team needing a QB, waiting for another Brock Purdy is a mistake.
New York I'm not sure it's because teams are better at identifying quarterback Talent where there's such few good quarterbacks available that you got to take your swings in the first round. Sandy
Fair point. But here we are. It's a QB league. And the Raiders need one.
To Nate's earlier point, someone like Ben Johnson can probably get the best out of AOC as placeholder, presumably, while he grooms a young QB. But how do we make that happen with the #6 pick and at least two QB-needy teams picking ahead of us?
Who do you go after, if you're GM?
NY, I think the sleeper QB in the draft is Will Howard (Ohio St). He played at Kansas St his first 3 years and transferred. At Kansas St, he did not have much talent around him, and in 3 years only threw 48 TDs. One year at Ohio St, he threw 29 TDs and ran for 7, with a 74% passing completion, where he was only drawing in the mid 60's at Kansas St. Some scouts compare him to Will Levis coming out of college, some compare him to Josh Allen coming out of college. With the turn around he made at Ohio St running a pro-football offense, I think we see glimpses of his capability.
The only question is will the Raiders be able to surround him with a quality team? If not, it will not matter who the QB is; they will not do well.
With that said, one has to be careful with the media hype around some of these players. For instance, they will start tearing down top guys, and building up players who aren't as good. There is already rumblings that Sanders and Ward are going to drop in the draft. There is also a lot of hype around Jaxson Dart (who I think will be the next Justin Herbert, but not drafted as high), and Quinn Ewers (who I think is very comparable to Colt McCoy). You sometimes have to look at who they are not talking about. Will Howard is one of those QB's, who any other year, would be getting a lot of press, especially for leading his team to the National Championship Game; but for some reason, media and scouts are really tight-lipped about him. Do yourself a favor, compare his college career stats with Sanders and Ward, and then compare them to Tom Brady coming out of college. He is a mobile Tom Brady.
As far as drafting a WR or CB with #6, I'm not sold; unless we let Jakobi Meyers walk, and why would we? He proved he could be a #1. The only way I see us doing that is if Sanders, Ward, and Carter are off the board and Travis Hunter is available, and we kill 2 birds with one stone.
This draft is going to be interesting. As we get closer, I think we will see things shape up better. Especially with the Sr Bowl, the East/West underclassmen game, and the Scouting Combine. I do think Will Howard's stock will increase from where I currently have him; I made that draft doing a simulator.
In the end, right now, I am drafting best player available to improve the team. Carter is pretty comparable to Khalil Mack. Imagine he and Crosby and Wilkins on that D-Line? It's time to get back to building a team that wins in the trenches (as Reggie said).
If Howard wins a National Championship, he'll be in the discussion, for sure.
WR is a big need. Raiders only have one guy at a 1-2 level. They have a roster stacked with edge players: Crosby, Koonce, Wilson, Chassion, Snowden, etc.
If they go edge, I'd be shocked. Free agency will shed some light on that. Plus, Crosby wants his contract redone to include guaranteed money, which the Raiders should absolutely do for their franchise player.
To Raidernation,
Al-Anon
CB/ after trading down, Raiders finally do something right/ smart and get a cover CB. RB J. Byers(Virginia Union) is a play maker but we have a lot of RBs.
QB
DE/ edge- Raiders need a star DL, they are good not great and need help.
OG 3rd/ this
DT/ with the 3rd from trading their 1st rounder they draft another pass rushing DT.
4th, C-OG/ they could go OLB or another DL and they need an OLB but they need to fix their OL.
5th, WR/ with their 5th pick they take a WR.
5th(trade) SS/
6th- OL/ they get back up OT
6th- CB/ the Raiders badly need DBs'
6th- FB/ the Raiders don't need a RB but will try to find a blocking FB to open holes for Mattison.
7th- Blake Raybar, LB, Linfield Coll.,- A 4 time DPOY(3 in college and 1 in H.S.). has good size- 6'2" 230.
I hope the Raiders don't get tunnel vision with Ben Johnson like they did with Antonio Pierce. They should be interviewing many candidates for their HC opening. There's a new thing now called teleconferencing. It's like an overhead projector - which the Raiders are very familiar with. They could be doing multiple interviews a day. As it stands, they don't seem to be as busy with this as they should be.
Even with Tom Brady in the mix, are the Raiders capable of a thorough and objective process?
Been trying to think of a really good QB that came out of Ohio State, can't think of any.
AOC has only played maybe ten NFL games, and I think he's done rather well. All the time, remember, he's been losing Jacobs, and Adams, as key weapons in the offense. And the 0-line hasn't exactly been great.
At this point in their careers, Mayfield, and Darnold, were considered flops. But we see how much better they are on better teams, surrounded by better players.
I'd like to see AOC with a top WR to throw to, and a reliable, if not explosive running attack to help.
Gotta have a plan and a vision. Build an offense around AOC. Stop going in all directions at once. You end up nowhere.
Uh, Ghost, CJ Stroud, Justin Fields? They are the 2 recent Ohio St QBs. Its true, QBs from Ohio St haven't really faired well in the NFL (Mike Tomzack being the one with the best record for the Steelers). But, Stroud and Fields may be the game changers there, and Will Howard may continue that trend.
I agree about AOC too, I think he struggled this year because no RB, and the ZBS scheme Getsy brought to the O-Line that is built for a Power Zone. Plus, I'd rather keep AOC than sign Darnold, Cousins, or any other free agent QB.
I would also like to see if Sincere McCormick gets a nod at starting, or more game time. In a perfect world, I'd hope the Raiders would be able to draft Hampton (RB, North Carolina) in the 2nd, if they don't sign Najee Harris as a free agent. So many factors that can change this draft too. We will see.
I head ex-Stanford U., HC David Shaw is w/ the Broncos! wow! this is not only ridiculous it goes to show just how wrong NY Raiders has been not getting to all of the facts and situations on this team in some areas/ times.
Nate....Yes, my bad, CJ Stroud is certainly a top Qb in league. Not sure about Fields though. Failed in Chicago, and only a backup with Steelers. Looks more of a runner than a thrower. But still young, and maybe just needs the right situation.
Al-Anon, if you're going to call me out on something, I would appreciate if you can do it coherently. I read that 3x and can't make heads or tails. I have no idea what that means, or what you're referencing that I said.
That post was as obscure as telling me I peed on the toilet seat. It happens.
I heard- ex-Stanford HC David Shaw works for the Denver Broncos!!! Shaw worked for the Raiders. You- NY Raider! wouldn't mind if Shaw was our HC. Well, Shaw was hired 1st by Al and he is with who? the Broncos! The "new" Raiders wouldn't look at/ call much less interview Shaw and they have rejected and ignored outstanding assistants/ HCs' and some of Al's ex-assistants/ ex-HCs' who are/ were top staff too. Why? because:
1. the NFL controls Raiders and advised them who to hire.
2. the new Raiders have moved on from Al but are erasing his legacy/ era from team and they don't want ANY ex-Raiders on this team.
3. they don't hire elite players or staff and they really don't want any ex-Al employees on the team. its' funny that fans like NY Raider haven't noticed that.
Is that clear enough for you? a coach like Shaw being an assistant and the Raiders not even interested in talking to him and you want us to go with this Brady and Seymore running some of the front office.
Wow! if you're gonna attack my claims you need to make sure yours are good 1's and I'm sorry I'll try to be more clear with my posts but in this case I'm making more sense with my bad posts then you are with some of your posts. and other Anon shouldn't be too silly with his post either.
Sorry I asked. You're too ridiculous to be real.
If a guy worked or played for Al Davis for 30 seconds and goes on to have a modicum of success somewhere else, you say it's all because of Al. But that can't be Al's doing if the NFL makes all the Raiders decisions.
The timeline says Shaw began his career as an assistant with the Eagles, then with Raiders and Ravens. He only spent two years in "quality control" with the Raiders, but somehow you think he's Al's disciple.
Once again, you can't get the facts straight.
I can't defend how the Raiders do their business, nor am I trying to.
You said the Raiders should interview him, but I think you meant the NFL should interview him. Right?! That's the only way it coincides with your stupid narrative.
Yea, but who did you guys beg MD to hire?
1. Gruden
2. Shaw
3. J. McDaniels
4. Harbaugh
5. Cower
6. Bissicia
7. Phillips
8. Holgren
9. Del Rio
10.
Peyton/ hired by Al 1st then suddenly QUIT because SOMEBODY told/ asked him not to work for Al.
Harbaugh
Shaw/ Sorry, I thought he started w/ Raiders.
Fox(in the 90's) Panthers and Broncos' HC.
'Quality Control'- only 2 years: Wow! only 2 years!? hey NY, if an assistant spends 1 year with Al he's learning a ton/ lots of things he might not lean somewhere else. Harbaugh also may've been a QBs' coach too.
Stupid narrative?: Shaw may've worked for Eagles 1st and they get credit for molding/ teaching him but he worked 2 years according to you, for Al, who was a HOF, top GM so IMO...he got a ton/ lots of education and experience from him
You just proved my point. You think anyone who came in contact with Al Davis for any amount of time was given Excalibur.
You think Al wasn't working with the head coach or the offensive coordinator or the defensive coordinator, and instead he spent two years mentoring quality and control person, David Shaw, and that's what propelled Shaw to any success he's had in his 25-year career since then. Not his own drive, determination or intelligence.
You're ridiculous beyond repair.
Your posts go in a million directions, often conflicting with your narrative. You're the guy who lies so much he can't remember all the lies and keeps changing the story.
You say the Raiders need to interview more candidates before hiring a head coach, but you also tell us the NFL makes all those decisions for the Raiders.
Hmmmmm.....you've got a point NY Al didn't help any of the guys who worked for him it was all them!
Oh and I do emember the claims by media in the slump "no good/ elite HCs' want to work for Al"
Oh wait, Al's HC that he hired, who were either assistants or HCs' from other teams were hired and sometimes were on winning teams(Raiders')!
And you could say that none of the guys from the 9 year slump were good HCs' who Al hired or promoted.
Oh wait!, N. Turner lead the San Diego Chargers to the playoffs and dominated the AFC West for a few years. L. Kiffin is a top OC and I think a HC in college.
And
But again back to the assistants! what other team during the early '00s had this kind of success!?
You hire a guy from the Eagles and
Shaw/ Eagles
Harbaugh/ Chargers, 49ers
Fox(90's)/ Broncos, Panthers
Peyton/ Broncos, Saints, Cowboys.
All of these guys have either coached in a Super Bowl or Bowl game!
Al was a commissioner, HC, owner, assistant and GM but he didn't have anything to do with those guys' success.
But I have say I've said things that I believe/IMO and know are true and you just think everything is gray but mostly black and white- you know-, some corruption but nothing like the disgraceful actions I've accused the NFL/ owners of.
Now, you've seen the AFC West and what they did.
Yea well what have the Raiders done with all these modern HCs'/ GMs'? nothing why maybe because they didnt' get an elite GM, pres. or personnel guy to lead the inexperienced HC or GM! yea, kind'a took your point down didn't I NY? and if Al was a HOF GM- don't you think he knew what he was doing?
Wow!
That's it W/ L's over a 9 year period over over 40 years of winning and losing.
Mon., Jan 20th. First, Happy MLK Day. MLK had a dream that was based in Scripture, and that dream was in the fact that we are all human. We bleed the same blood, we share the same genes, the same DNA, and we even have the same skin color (Melanin) just a different shade. Our skin color makes up 0.0002% of our genetic make-up. His dream was that we would all see that, reject bigotry (not racism, since we are one race), and live peaceably among one another as human beings. Let's spread that Biblical and scientific truth today, a truth that should be taught in schools, but sadly because Darwin was a bigot, we are taught his bigoted, disproven theory that we are all not the same.
Second, the Lions got beat this weekend by the Commanders, in their own home. Man, I really thought they had a chance to beat the Chiefs, mainly because of their man-to-man defense. Amik Robertson (a CB we should have kept) was injured badly in that game, but all the best to his recovery. I still root for the guy.
Ben Johnson is in Vegas this morning. Rumored reports were that he flew back with Tom Brady (who announced the game) and told the Lions he would not be returning as OC. Raiders are interviewing his choice GM, Lance Newmark (asst. GM for Commanders), today. In reality, there should be an announcement some time this week for a new HC and GM for the Raiders; maybe as early as tomorrow
Well, Vinnie B, Hondo Caprenter, and Vic Tafur were all reporting what I posted above this morning. Then it breaks that Ben Johnson is in the final stages of an agreed contract with the Bears (its not official yet, see McDaniels and Jets). Either this is for leverage, or beat writers were wrong. Either way, why do I have the feeling this is going to hurt the Raiders?
Leave it to the Raiders to acquire a winner and make him a loser. Tom Brady is already 0-1 for the Raiders. He went hard after Ben Johnson and fell on his face. Ben Johnson went with Bears and Caleb Williams.
Without a QB and with the #6 pick, the Raiders are not an attractive destination for Johnson or perhaps any top-level HC candidate.
The Commanders were able to go from 4 wins to 12 wins in one year because of Jayden Daniels. The Raiders will not have that luxury, and Ben Johnson Knows it.
Even Pete Carroll would be foolish to step into an environment which it's pretty obvious he cannot succeed for at least 2-3 years.
IMO, the Raiders need to think long-term at HC and go with an upstart OC/DC if they can latch onto one.
As it stands, by their own ineptitude, the Raiders may put themselves in a position to draft Arch Manning next year.
I must say, Will Howard certainly looked good in shredding Notre Dame last night.
But remember 2007 Sugar Bowl, when Jemarcus Russell shredded the Irish and parlayed it to #1 pick overall to the Raiders.
Not saying the two are in any way comparable. Russell signed his big contract and proceeded to eat his way out of pro football. I don't think Howard will do that. Russell just didn't care, but Howard looks like a serious athlete.
Just saying don't be swayed by a Qb tearing up the Irish D. Their defense is a paper tiger that looks good against the weaker teams, but gets their swiss cheese defense holes exposed against the better opponents.
Russell did it, now Howard did it. What should we make of this ?
To NY Raider,
Al-Anon
MLK Jr. Day have a very good day and happy 1/ 20th.
and to those happy to see the new President's 1st day at the job/ election happy 1/ 20th!
A.P. was o.k. and maybe Brady can help us but we are doing the Patriot way' w/ without Brady. We've done a mediocre/ bad job of hiring staff and we refuse to hire elite HCs'/ assistants. We need to either hire an elite HC or a GM or both. but also, the NFL is hanging around looking for reasons to make Brady/ new partners the boss.
That post totally conflicts with you telling us over and over that the NFL decides who coaches the Raiders.
And are you now going to tell us that YOU - and you alone - have the secret decoder as to which HCs the NFL hired and which ones the Raiders hired?
To NY Raider,
Al-Anon
Thanks NY
NFL-
D. Allen/ Reggie didn't know this guy.
J. McDaniels
A.P.
Raiders- Gruden II and maybe coach Del Rio.
Don't thank me. That's one ridiculous post after another. You're telling us the earth is flat. Nobody is going to take your word for it.
To Raidernation,
Al-Anon
We refuse to sign elite athletes/ stars. we refused to hire elite/ top assistants/ HC's and we won't use any of Al's ideas/ vision and we have it made?
Wasn't the Broncos supposed to suck/ be a bad team? they have a 3rd pick edge/ DE(J. Ellis) and a DL that is one of the best in the league and they have a decent QB but what really is sad is they have to of Al's ex-coaches- D. Shaw and HC S. Peyton.
Raidernation! the Raiders are telling us Tom Brady is supposed to turn this thing around and you are buying it! even though you know this is a very shaky/ risky and bold kind of decision most of the time not many ex-players have been able to be front office execs, some guys have succeeded but mostly its' only a few ex-players and usually a team has front office people to help the guy(s).
No, there aren't any conspiracies its' bad decisions for 12-13 years that is doing this this isn't the NFL and other team owners, its' that Mark is the worst owner and is incompetent and can't make good decisions even though its' his ADVISERS who told/ advised him to do/ not do these things.
To NY Raider
Al-Anon
AFC West
pass rush- Denver
DL- tie Denver, LACs' and K.C.
run D- tie L.V. and K.C.
LB- ? maybe a tie Denver and K.C.
CB- Denver
DB- tie Denver and K.C.
STs' punting- L.V.
QB- KC/ but there are 3 elite QBs' in the AFC West.
OL- LACs'
Run game- K.C.
WR- tie K.C., L.V. and LAC
TE- L.V., KC
STs'(kicking)- K.C.
There are 3 elite HCs'
There are 2 elite HCs' and 1 very good QB(Nix)
J. Lynch/ ex-DB worked for Broncos in front office then went to S.F. and is a very good GM. S.F. has been to the playoffs a lot sense he's been with them. they just lost a SB last year.
M. Jordan didn't really do a lot to build his team but was a very good at playing against them.
'Magic'/ I don't know, what was his job w/ Lakers? did he try to scout/ draft players?
J. Elway/ he probably worked w/ front office people. he or/ and somebody knew how to build defenses. Denver had top DBs and edge/ DEs'.
M. Mayhew/ ex-DB was a very good GM.
These are some ex-players who were owners, GMs' or personnel men. some succeeded some fail and some weren't anything but owners who may've helped/ trained players but I do know nobody has just let a guy run a team without working with front office people.
To Raidernation!,
Al-Anon
We don't know we don't know when or if this new GM will show his talents. but I see Brady not Brady and-, the front office, hired this guy!
I don't know if its Al's last nine years, 22 years of mediocrity or the hype that the NFL sells to all of the fans but I do know Raidernation supports anything that calls itself a new regime.
I don't understand why you want another inexperienced and I mean inexperienced guy running this team now you have 3! the fact that he and Brady are friends should start the 'red flags' and lots of questions/ complaints.
I was a critic of the Raiders hiring Tom Telesco on the heels of being fired by the Chargers.
Then I was proven wrong by his draft that yielded three starters and perhaps two promising DBs.
Telesco tried to trade up for a QB but played the hand he was dealt, and he did pretty well.
His reward: He was fired.
Now the Raiders appear poised to hire John Spytek, an assistant GM with the Bucs. Brady has ties. So, we're all-in because Brady vouches for him. Raiders have two promising assistant GMs in house. Champ Kelly and the guy who came with Telesco.
My "shoot-from-the-hip take is that the Raiders are incredibly sloppy. They do way too much on a whim. Remember the old axiom, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."
Sure, the Raiders are broke, but I'm not convince it was on Tom Telesco, who only had one draft, and it was pretty decent.
Now this strange move replacing Telesco, on the heels of an embarrassing rejection by Ben Johnson.
Raiders are bush league in everything they do. It's hard to defend.
Be careful what you wish for. Starting over every other year is not a good look, and the Raiders are proof it doesn't work.
Hey, Mike Shannahan owes the Raiders money!
PFT says he owes the Raiders $125K but that the Raiders owe him more!!! And its' this year taht he's supposed to pay that money!!!! Will either pay the other? So how will the Raiders pay him and will he pay them? Man, just what we need another hostile meeting with Shannahan and with some other haters of Al! and will his son with the 49ers have an opinion about this story?
Hope we can get somebody with attitude and stuff inside to get us moving again!
NYR...I would say Telesco did have a good draft, but he also bungled the OC hire, and the Qb position,(signing Minshew). His history in SD/L.A. was not great. He assembled pretty good rosters, but put it with underwhelming coaching staffs.
Overall, I would think the Raiders can do better. And besides, "Spytec" sure sounds like a Raider to me !
Raiders have hired John Spytec as their next GM. Good hire. Now get him involved in hiring a HC.
Raider Rod, totally forgot that the money Shannarat owes is due this year. I bet he didn't expect to live this long. Knowing Mark, however, I bet he forgives the debt under his pop, and has some reconciliation. Though, Raider Nation will probably never forgive him.
Ghost, I certainly don't know this for sure, but I would guess it was Pierce who picked Luke Getsy. Pierce wanted Kingsbury but the Raiders were unwilling to give Kingsbury a longer contract than Pierce. I think Mark Davis was probably involved in the term length of these contracts.
Ironically, Kingsbury could possibly be in the Raiders HC conversation.
In Telescos further defense, he signed guys like Chaison, who the Raiders will hopefully bring back.
In hindsight, Minshew was not the right guy. But in fairness he played well for the Colts and was named to the PB last year. Like so many players before him, he came with a decent resume that went south while in a Raiders uniform.
Maybe taking it from another angle, Telesco didn't do anything to get fired by the Raiders. So replacing an experienced GM with an inexperienced one is, at minimum, a risk.
But what do the Raiders have to lose? We're used to turnover every two years. Why should now be different.
The thing with Shanahan, if that's still a thing, seems petty for a league of owners, players and coaches who piss $125k in their sleep. My understanding, way back when it was a thing, is that the money was to go to charity.
Shanahan owes money? the Patriots owes us draft picks, the NFL owes us, Las Vegas owes the Raiders part ownership of the
Spyteck from Tampa Bay is another the next great hire that the NFL is throwing at us. I still can't understand why nobody else made a big deal of Brady wanting to own a team or nobody hired him as a personnel guy. But I do know the biggest joke
Did you know Al did a lot for all of pro sports in America and is still ignored by many of the pro leagues who never say anything about what he did for them. and you NY, post some of the most silly, almost hater like claims against the guy and blame him for a 9 year slump that still is a mystery to me?
bought the modern passing game to the NFL(Chargers' Sid Gillman his ex-HC helped too).
Fought the NFL for the players and worked w/ NFLPA boss G. Upshaw when there were issues with the NFL.
rumored to helped create the combines where speed, size and other things and character/ attitude were tested by scouts.
helped pressure the NFL and cause the merger between the AFL and NFL.
Wow! this is what you moved on from/ threw under bus for these new regimes?
.
A lot of rumors and noise floating around the Raiders right now. I found one report interesting. It's rumored if Pete Carroll is hired as HC that he would bring back Gus Bradly.
Pete Carroll is (was) a great coach but, IMO, he's not a long-term solution for a team with no QB that could easily be 3-4 years from serious contention. And the idea that Bradly would come back is a sideways move for a guy whose resume includes back-to-back firings (one from the Raiders).
Like I said, there's a lot of noise out there right now. Yet, the Raiders own record suggests we shouldn't have too much confidence in their process. They simply aren't good at this.
NYR....While i would love it if Pete Carroll was hired, i agree with you that it might not be a good fit. Carroll, a great coach, is 71 yrs young. The Raiders are a massive rebuild project. Unless Carroll knows something we don't.
It looks like new HC will have a Tom Brady connection. So think recent Pats, and Bucs, people.
The good news ? It won't be Josh Mcdummy !
Pete Carroll. 3 years!
I have mixed feelings. IMO, the Raiders were so desperate to save face after Ben Johnson pulled out, they hired a guy at age 73 who last January decided he was done coaching.
Carroll is capable, but he will need two key people the Raiders have not had in years, a QB and a playcaller. Without both, the Raiders will likely fail, again.
On a side note, Carroll had Tom Cable on his previous staff and Cable helped run ZBS, until he got run out of town. If the Raiders bring back ZBS, I will not be happy. It has failed the Raiders every time they've employed it... and it requires them to revamp their O-line with different personnel.
Frankly, it's tough to have confidence no matter who's involved.
P.S. With Carroll on board, I guess we should probably expect Russell Wilson to be the next Raiders QB. Right?
NY Raider,
Al-Anon
Well, good HC but will he have the room to run the roster his way? I kind'a like the move because Al loved USC guys but then again its' not a huge game changing move it just makes fans desperate to win keep spending.
This team sells con jobs/ scams and the fans just buys it! Wow! we were expecting some kind of young OC like HC! we'll get a good defensive but conservative team and if Brady is the face it will soon win but its' just erasing Al's era. The Steelers, Cowboys and 49ers still have a connection/ still use some of their old legends ideas the Raiders refuse to use anything from Al's era.
And now they're being conned to think MD needs to sell team!
Fridat, Jan 24th, Raiders hire Pete Carroll. He has a strong, winning history vs Andy Reid, Sean Peyton, and Jim Harbaugh. Who will be his DC and OC?
Bottom line Carroll and Spytek is a far superior twosome than Telesco and Pierce. Sandy
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