Welcome, Pete Carroll!
Finally, a GROWNUP and a PROVEN commodity at head coach.
I'm not saying Pete's going to be incredible and the Raiders are going to be instantly great, but at least we're finally in the ballpark and not flailing around wondering if Pierce is up to the task (nope), if McDaniels has gotten his s*** together (nope), if Gruden still has the old magic and isn't going to be cartoony (nope), etc.
This is just a simple, rock-solid, low-downside, possible high-upside choice of a stable coach who can shepherd the team through this transition time and out of the abyss and not look out of place or out of his depth in a division with Reid, Payton and Harbaugh.
I'll take it.
posted by Raider Take at 10:21 AM
32 Comments:
Indeed. The sad truth is, Carroll is a good hire for an organization which is incapable of finding and hiring unproven talent, the likes of which seems simple for some organizations. So, at age 73 (age 74 in Sept), Pete Carroll is the safe choice. (Also, the Raiders second choice.)
Carroll brings knowledge and stability, but not longevity. So, we will be doing this again in the short-term, for better or for worse.
The only positive I see in it is that the Raiders might be seriously trying to fast track the team to contention. That would certainly be welcome, but is it doable?
We shall see.
The last time I said OC was a critical hire for our HC we ended up with Luke Getsy. That's exactly where we are once again, at the most critical juncture of staff hirings.
Bottom line Carroll and Spytek is a far superior twosome than Telesco and Pierce. Sandy
Sandy, how do we know that? Or does that just mean, setting a broken leg is better than amputation?
Listen, IMO, the Raiders don't deserve our confidence after 22 years of failure. They need to earn it, and for more than two decades they have not.
Saying they finally hired a winning HC with experience might not, by itself, solve who the Raiders have become, losers! Sorry to sound pessimistic, but how many times do you need to get punched in the face before you duck? Once should be the answer but, for Raiders fans, it's more like 10x.
There's nothing the Raiders can do right now that will receive my full confidence. That might be a good omen because I thought hiring McDaniels then hiring Pierce were the right calls, until it was obvious they weren't.
Hail, Pete Carroll.
The Patriot way didn't go w/ Al's plans in his era but there is a huge connection between the two teams. The ex-N.E. guys helped the Raiders win during Al's best years and they were some of the best players in the NFL and Raiders' history.
Al's Patriots' connections:
*J. Plunkett
*R. Gannon
*M. Haynes
S. Jordan
*B. Hamilton
R. Seymore
Rob Ryan- DC
D. Hassellbeck
*B. Golic
T. Poole
P. Harlow
New regime's Patriots' connections:
T. Brady
R. Seymore
P. Carroll
Pats' guys
J. Jones
Abdullah
J. Meyers
T. Brown(OT)
A. Carter
D. Daniels(front office, scout?)
Jimmy G.
NY you are not being pessimistic (and I would tell you lol) I think you are being cautious due to scar tissue. Pete Carroll's body of work, experience and sucess screams stability compared to AP. Spytek I was going with the vibe you gave me last year re Telesco that he was a fired GM who had done an average to slightly above average in SD. I thought Telesco did a good job on his draft and mediocre on free agency cause of Minshew. Spytek seems to have a glowing resume and lot of respect from league people and media pundtis. The ture test for Spytek will be what he does about the QB position this year. Sandy
To other Anon,
Al-Anon
Well, what is it about Spytek that gives you the idea he and Brady and Carroll can rebuild this team? well, the NFL is investing/ supporting in this team now! happy?...Al spend decades/ years trying to keep the NFL out of the Raiders.
Al and other's who were about the game:
1. winning
2. being the best and/ or dominating the league.
3. then making money
The NFL:
1. Money
2. power
3. investment
4. legal protection from lawsuits.
5. more money.
Sandy, I think the Raiders might fall into the same trap as last year, making Spytek's job as impossible as Teleco's. They are probably too far back to draft a top QB (from a much thinner group) and free agent QBs are the same faces coming off one- or two-year deals.
Nobody fires a GM after one season. That's insane and an indictment of the hiring process.
I will say, Pete Carroll brings an incredible resume, arguably best Day 1 resume of any Raiders HC in their history. But he seemed pretty happy to retire last year (at 73), and he's coming to an organization where good coaches and players find failure unexpectedly and unnecessarily.
The Raiders were loaded with experienced coaches last year. Didn't they have three former HCs on staff and access to Tom Coughlin? None of that helped them to any success.
It just seems like whoever the Raiders get, it's never going to be good enough. And whatever Carroll can bring to the Raiders, it can't last. It will be surprising if he finishes his three-year contract.
So what's the plan then? Will we still have no QB and no HC?
If the Raiders plan was to never have a plan, then job well done.
P.S., this year offered some high-performing, quality coordinators who look primed for HC opportunities, as well as a couple previous HCs who seemed hungry for another opportunity. Bears, Cowboys, Jets, Pats, all found guys who, under the right circumstances, can be their HC for a decade.
There are still guys in the current coaching pool that look solid, including coordinators in the remaining field of teams.
The Raiders had opportunity to vet these guys but instead decided to go with a guy who might only last 1-3 years. I hate to say it, but Carroll seems like a desperation hire by a desperate team.
Maybe Carroll brings in Wilson and the Raiders make a run for the payoffs. The Raiders will have successfully band-aided their problem but they'll still need an operation.
I'm a fan of Pete Carroll, but this move seems incredibly shortsighted. To me, it shows the Raiders know they are incapable of properly vetting young coaches. Or they are just too lazy... as they have the shortest list of interviews by any team looking to hire a new HC. Same as last year.
Given the instability of the Raiders the past few years, I think it's a wise move bringing in a wise experienced coach with a high floor like Pete versus some wonder kid coordinator who has never been a head coach. Sandy
I don't like the rumor of Carroll and Wilson. In case you don't remember, that relationship didn't end well, much worse than Carroll/Lynch. I like the hire, it gives the Raiders an edge over the other coaches in the division. But, Pete does try to outsmart himself at times. I am curious who the OC and DC will be
Sandy, that makes sense, but it also speaks to the position the Raiders placed themselves in. And what about GM? They fired the experience guy and brought a first-timer. Is Carroll expected to fill that role too?
IMO, there's no excusing lazy and stupid at this point. Not vetting qualified HC (and GM) candidates has become a mainstay of Mark Davis's tenure as owner which has now undergone eight coaching changes in 12 years. Let that sink in for a minute. That's exactly why the Raiders are desperate.
For some fans and media, Telesco overperformed for a GM off the scrap heap. What did Mark Davis and the Raiders expect from his hire?
I'm sure Pete Carroll thinks this is gonna be fun. Not sure he knows what he's getting himself into.
As I said before, this all might be a good omen, i.e., me questioning the process and the hires, because I've been wrong about the last couple regimes. In my defense, nobody is paying me to do this, and I'm pretty certain I could do better than Davis has... but so could a child.
OC/DC up next! Maybe I'll feel better (or worse).
To Raidernation,
Al-Anon
Pete Carroll is a good HC but not elite anymore we now have 4 very good HCs' in the AFC West but what about the GM behind the HC? we don't have that here we don't have the old Raiders culture, attitude or vision or even a little of it. we don't have just haters, we have people who are worse than them, there are people who want to erase and change this team's culture because they felt it was bad/ strange from the start and needed to go.
Raidernation supported all that negative press, lying and unfair claims against Al's teams but hey, maybe things will get better but again, we are seeing this team go with a new regime and that it is good for us- this time!
Fans happy '25 but question things don't just go with it. go Raiders in '25!
Breaking, (Sat, Jan 25th), the Texans have fired Bobby Slowik as their OC. Bring him in Pete!
No big complaints re Telesco. Spytek seems to have been on organizatiosn that draft a lot of high quality players and have a philosphy of building the trenches.
Remember how the Raiders came out flat against Carolina this year and got their ass kicked. I don't see that with Carroll he knows how to prepare his teams to play.
Slightly off topic but with the Eagles playing tomorrow everytime I see Jalen Carter absoutlley dominainte I think how GM Ziegler/McDaniels fucked that up by taking Tyree Wilson.
Sandy
Sandy, I was thinking about that the other day. I remember how adamant you were about drafting Carter over Wilson. Carter is a monster and Wilson is a dud! Plus, the Raiders could have saved >$100M not signing Wilkins, who spent last year on IR.
It's embarrassing how bad the Raiders missed that one. Wilson is slow off the snap and has below average strength for a big guy. Did the Raiders actually scout him?
Good memory NY, Wilson is another Clellin Farrell Sandy
I'm warming up to the Pete Carroll hire. It is what it is. I can't complain about his resume, only complaining about the process by which so few candidates were vetted. But we need high-level coordinators, especially, OC. Pierce had his shortcomings but his choice of Luke Getsy was easily his biggest mistake.
Also, the Raiders have a number of free agents they should re-sign. Leading that group are Moehrig, Spillane, Butler and Chaisson. Koonce may have too high of a price tag. Not sure he's earned that after a year on IR.
Spytek and Carroll have a lot of work ahead of them.
2025 QB1 will be a top priority. Ironically, the Raiders are in almost identical position as last year. They are behind the draft slotting for top QBs and free agent market is very similar to last year, without any top-level talent.
It's entirely possible AOC is still competing for Raiders QB1 in 2025. Carroll and company will need to be on top of their game to make that work... or we might be doing this again next year.
Raiders have requested to interview Karl Scott, Seattle's DB Coach, for the DC position. Karl worked at Alabama for 3 years under Saban before joining the Seahawks in Carroll's last 2 seasons.
Love the Pete Carroll hire ! Now do what the Raiders have been unwilling to do for over two decades....Build a great TEAM.
Qb is important, but Qb needs a team around him, whoever it ends up being.
Not a fan of Russ Wilson, he hasn't been a top Qb for five years now. If he is any good, Steelers would keep him, but they moving on.
Hopefully, Pete Carroll looked at some film, and believes the Raiders can be a quick turn around. Raiders have two great TE's. Add some top Wr's, and a running back, and Raiders could truly have an explosive offense. It can happen fast, or at least, a couple of years.
Coordinator hires will be huge. Hopefully, Carroll won't fall into the trap of being the next Raiders HC who finds failure with this losing org. It's been an impossible trend to break.
Forget Pierce's inexperience, the Raiders were loaded with coaching talent last year and had their worst season since going 2-14.
This decades long streak is an organizational curse. Is Pete up for that?
As for QB, I'd choose Fields over Wilson, and I said that last year too. Fields still needs grooming but he has far more upside and longevity on his side.
I'm squarely against signing Darnold after watching him throw screen passes to the turf in the Vikings payoff game. He is a choker. Need someone with ice in their veins.
Let AOC, Fields and a draft QB battle it out. The Raiders don't have many options.
Fired up after that press conference, especially with Money Lynch yelling a huge "RAAAAIIIIDERS!" Glad to see Maxx there too, btw, he ain't going anywhere.
I think John drafts a QB, if not the first, then in the second. I like Will Howard, but there are others too. Another name I like is Jalen Milroe, though his stats and TD/Int ratio are a hot mess. That is, of course, if Sanders or Cam Ward doesn't fall to #6. I am not a fan of Jaxson Dart, however.
Raiders need a RB too, not a good look getting rid of Josh Jacobs. We will see.
Raiders were stupid to let Jacobs walk, but nobody looks dumber right now than the Giants. Barkley is all-world and cannot be stopped.
On a side note, the Eagles are all that stands in the way of the "Swifties" Chiefs 3-peating. Not sure I could stomach that.
NYR......Watching these KC Swifts games has become sort of comical. Everyone knows it's in the bag for Swifts to win. The calls by refs are hilarious. Bending over backwards to ensure a KC Swifts victory.
NFL should change name to, NFRL, as in, The, Not For Real League ! Nothing we are watching is real !
Funny, it's so obvious it's been a topic on the Howard Stern show.
Unless the game is rigged, Eagles have enough to beat the Chiefs.
I saw a photo-shopped meme on Twitter or X or whatever, after the game, and it was Mahomes kissing a referee. I thought it was hilarious. 2 blown calls on first down for the Bills, and gave the ball tot he Swifts. The non-catch catch. Too many non calls for holding to protect Mahomes.
In other NFL news, Bill Musgrave is the new QB coach for the Browns. I really wanted him back as OC. I will be happy if they go after the Texans OC who was recently let go, Bobby Slowick.
What made Musgrave so effective as Raiders OC was his willingness to let Carr make plays on his own. That's when Carr is at his best. But I don't think he's been coordinator since, meaning he might be a little behind the curve. Musgrave had his moment but that may have past.
It's interesting because Raiders will need a dynamic coordinator who can work with pocket passer like AOC and possibly a scrambler like Justin Fields or maybe Geno Smith.
Also, the way this is being framed (at least for PR sake) is that It's understood this is the only contract Pete Carroll will receive from the Raiders, and that he intends to hire talented coaches which intentionally should include his successor (which he will groom).
Not sure Bill Musgrave is that guy. Maybe he could be, but IDK.
One thing for sure, Carroll can't afford to miss at OC like Pierce did.
If you watch teams like Washington or Philly, you will see that they are so confident in their offenses, they go for short 4th downs all over the field... and usually get them. The Raiders seem light years from that level of proficiency.
Well, Musgrave won't be back because he is the new QB coach in Cleveland. Bobby Slowick should be the #1 OC Candidate. I really do not understand why the Texans let him go.
Okay, I watched the presser. Love the energy and passion of Pete Carroll. He might be a little long in the tooth, but he definitely has some chops left.
Perhaps the Raiders still get outplayed (that's to be determined) but the days of the Raiders getting outcoached are over while PC is on the sideline.
Without a doubt, the most elevated and accomplished HC the Raiders have ever hired.
There's something to be said for that. Let's hope it works!
Al-Anon
We got a good HC but we didn't once again, try to get an elite HC from pro or college levels.
We have a very experienced front office but will be bring int he players for them to coach up?
No, this team isn't making big moves, they got an experienced HC and assistants but they really needed somebody with some boldness and a little rebellious or willing to make big decisions. we will build a well coached team but if they spent big on star FA's maybe we'd be a winning team faster. you got a good and famous/ big name HC but you're letting an inexperienced guy build your team.
Looks like they're bringing back Patrick Graham as defensive coordinator I think that's good news for the team and all the free agents they have. Sandy
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