Welcome, Pete Carroll!
Finally, a GROWNUP and a PROVEN commodity at head coach.
I'm not saying Pete's going to be incredible and the Raiders are going to be instantly great, but at least we're finally in the ballpark and not flailing around wondering if Pierce is up to the task (nope), if McDaniels has gotten his s*** together (nope), if Gruden still has the old magic and isn't going to be cartoony (nope), etc.
This is just a simple, rock-solid, low-downside, possible high-upside choice of a stable coach who can shepherd the team through this transition time and out of the abyss and not look out of place or out of his depth in a division with Reid, Payton and Harbaugh.
I'll take it.
posted by Raider Take at 10:21 AM
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Indeed. The sad truth is, Carroll is a good hire for an organization which is incapable of finding and hiring unproven talent, the likes of which seems simple for some organizations. So, at age 73 (age 74 in Sept), Pete Carroll is the safe choice. (Also, the Raiders second choice.)
Carroll brings knowledge and stability, but not longevity. So, we will be doing this again in the short-term, for better or for worse.
The only positive I see in it is that the Raiders might be seriously trying to fast track the team to contention. That would certainly be welcome, but is it doable?
We shall see.
The last time I said OC was a critical hire for our HC we ended up with Luke Getsy. That's exactly where we are once again, at the most critical juncture of staff hirings.
Bottom line Carroll and Spytek is a far superior twosome than Telesco and Pierce. Sandy
Sandy, how do we know that? Or does that just mean, setting a broken leg is better than amputation?
Listen, IMO, the Raiders don't deserve our confidence after 22 years of failure. They need to earn it, and for more than two decades they have not.
Saying they finally hired a winning HC with experience might not, by itself, solve who the Raiders have become, losers! Sorry to sound pessimistic, but how many times do you need to get punched in the face before you duck? Once should be the answer but, for Raiders fans, it's more like 10x.
There's nothing the Raiders can do right now that will receive my full confidence. That might be a good omen because I thought hiring McDaniels then hiring Pierce were the right calls, until it was obvious they weren't.
Hail, Pete Carroll.
The Patriot way didn't go w/ Al's plans in his era but there is a huge connection between the two teams. The ex-N.E. guys helped the Raiders win during Al's best years and they were some of the best players in the NFL and Raiders' history.
Al's Patriots' connections:
*J. Plunkett
*R. Gannon
*M. Haynes
S. Jordan
*B. Hamilton
R. Seymore
Rob Ryan- DC
D. Hassellbeck
*B. Golic
T. Poole
P. Harlow
New regime's Patriots' connections:
T. Brady
R. Seymore
P. Carroll
Pats' guys
J. Jones
Abdullah
J. Meyers
T. Brown(OT)
A. Carter
D. Daniels(front office, scout?)
Jimmy G.
NY you are not being pessimistic (and I would tell you lol) I think you are being cautious due to scar tissue. Pete Carroll's body of work, experience and sucess screams stability compared to AP. Spytek I was going with the vibe you gave me last year re Telesco that he was a fired GM who had done an average to slightly above average in SD. I thought Telesco did a good job on his draft and mediocre on free agency cause of Minshew. Spytek seems to have a glowing resume and lot of respect from league people and media pundtis. The ture test for Spytek will be what he does about the QB position this year. Sandy
To other Anon,
Al-Anon
Well, what is it about Spytek that gives you the idea he and Brady and Carroll can rebuild this team? well, the NFL is investing/ supporting in this team now! happy?...Al spend decades/ years trying to keep the NFL out of the Raiders.
Al and other's who were about the game:
1. winning
2. being the best and/ or dominating the league.
3. then making money
The NFL:
1. Money
2. power
3. investment
4. legal protection from lawsuits.
5. more money.
Sandy, I think the Raiders might fall into the same trap as last year, making Spytek's job as impossible as Teleco's. They are probably too far back to draft a top QB (from a much thinner group) and free agent QBs are the same faces coming off one- or two-year deals.
Nobody fires a GM after one season. That's insane and an indictment of the hiring process.
I will say, Pete Carroll brings an incredible resume, arguably best Day 1 resume of any Raiders HC in their history. But he seemed pretty happy to retire last year (at 73), and he's coming to an organization where good coaches and players find failure unexpectedly and unnecessarily.
The Raiders were loaded with experienced coaches last year. Didn't they have three former HCs on staff and access to Tom Coughlin? None of that helped them to any success.
It just seems like whoever the Raiders get, it's never going to be good enough. And whatever Carroll can bring to the Raiders, it can't last. It will be surprising if he finishes his three-year contract.
So what's the plan then? Will we still have no QB and no HC?
If the Raiders plan was to never have a plan, then job well done.
P.S., this year offered some high-performing, quality coordinators who look primed for HC opportunities, as well as a couple previous HCs who seemed hungry for another opportunity. Bears, Cowboys, Jets, Pats, all found guys who, under the right circumstances, can be their HC for a decade.
There are still guys in the current coaching pool that look solid, including coordinators in the remaining field of teams.
The Raiders had opportunity to vet these guys but instead decided to go with a guy who might only last 1-3 years. I hate to say it, but Carroll seems like a desperation hire by a desperate team.
Maybe Carroll brings in Wilson and the Raiders make a run for the payoffs. The Raiders will have successfully band-aided their problem but they'll still need an operation.
I'm a fan of Pete Carroll, but this move seems incredibly shortsighted. To me, it shows the Raiders know they are incapable of properly vetting young coaches. Or they are just too lazy... as they have the shortest list of interviews by any team looking to hire a new HC. Same as last year.
Given the instability of the Raiders the past few years, I think it's a wise move bringing in a wise experienced coach with a high floor like Pete versus some wonder kid coordinator who has never been a head coach. Sandy
I don't like the rumor of Carroll and Wilson. In case you don't remember, that relationship didn't end well, much worse than Carroll/Lynch. I like the hire, it gives the Raiders an edge over the other coaches in the division. But, Pete does try to outsmart himself at times. I am curious who the OC and DC will be
Sandy, that makes sense, but it also speaks to the position the Raiders placed themselves in. And what about GM? They fired the experience guy and brought a first-timer. Is Carroll expected to fill that role too?
IMO, there's no excusing lazy and stupid at this point. Not vetting qualified HC (and GM) candidates has become a mainstay of Mark Davis's tenure as owner which has now undergone eight coaching changes in 12 years. Let that sink in for a minute. That's exactly why the Raiders are desperate.
For some fans and media, Telesco overperformed for a GM off the scrap heap. What did Mark Davis and the Raiders expect from his hire?
I'm sure Pete Carroll thinks this is gonna be fun. Not sure he knows what he's getting himself into.
As I said before, this all might be a good omen, i.e., me questioning the process and the hires, because I've been wrong about the last couple regimes. In my defense, nobody is paying me to do this, and I'm pretty certain I could do better than Davis has... but so could a child.
OC/DC up next! Maybe I'll feel better (or worse).
To Raidernation,
Al-Anon
Pete Carroll is a good HC but not elite anymore we now have 4 very good HCs' in the AFC West but what about the GM behind the HC? we don't have that here we don't have the old Raiders culture, attitude or vision or even a little of it. we don't have just haters, we have people who are worse than them, there are people who want to erase and change this team's culture because they felt it was bad/ strange from the start and needed to go.
Raidernation supported all that negative press, lying and unfair claims against Al's teams but hey, maybe things will get better but again, we are seeing this team go with a new regime and that it is good for us- this time!
Fans happy '25 but question things don't just go with it. go Raiders in '25!
Breaking, (Sat, Jan 25th), the Texans have fired Bobby Slowik as their OC. Bring him in Pete!
No big complaints re Telesco. Spytek seems to have been on organizatiosn that draft a lot of high quality players and have a philosphy of building the trenches.
Remember how the Raiders came out flat against Carolina this year and got their ass kicked. I don't see that with Carroll he knows how to prepare his teams to play.
Slightly off topic but with the Eagles playing tomorrow everytime I see Jalen Carter absoutlley dominainte I think how GM Ziegler/McDaniels fucked that up by taking Tyree Wilson.
Sandy
Sandy, I was thinking about that the other day. I remember how adamant you were about drafting Carter over Wilson. Carter is a monster and Wilson is a dud! Plus, the Raiders could have saved >$100M not signing Wilkins, who spent last year on IR.
It's embarrassing how bad the Raiders missed that one. Wilson is slow off the snap and has below average strength for a big guy. Did the Raiders actually scout him?
Good memory NY, Wilson is another Clellin Farrell Sandy
I'm warming up to the Pete Carroll hire. It is what it is. I can't complain about his resume, only complaining about the process by which so few candidates were vetted. But we need high-level coordinators, especially, OC. Pierce had his shortcomings but his choice of Luke Getsy was easily his biggest mistake.
Also, the Raiders have a number of free agents they should re-sign. Leading that group are Moehrig, Spillane, Butler and Chaisson. Koonce may have too high of a price tag. Not sure he's earned that after a year on IR.
Spytek and Carroll have a lot of work ahead of them.
2025 QB1 will be a top priority. Ironically, the Raiders are in almost identical position as last year. They are behind the draft slotting for top QBs and free agent market is very similar to last year, without any top-level talent.
It's entirely possible AOC is still competing for Raiders QB1 in 2025. Carroll and company will need to be on top of their game to make that work... or we might be doing this again next year.
Raiders have requested to interview Karl Scott, Seattle's DB Coach, for the DC position. Karl worked at Alabama for 3 years under Saban before joining the Seahawks in Carroll's last 2 seasons.
Love the Pete Carroll hire ! Now do what the Raiders have been unwilling to do for over two decades....Build a great TEAM.
Qb is important, but Qb needs a team around him, whoever it ends up being.
Not a fan of Russ Wilson, he hasn't been a top Qb for five years now. If he is any good, Steelers would keep him, but they moving on.
Hopefully, Pete Carroll looked at some film, and believes the Raiders can be a quick turn around. Raiders have two great TE's. Add some top Wr's, and a running back, and Raiders could truly have an explosive offense. It can happen fast, or at least, a couple of years.
Coordinator hires will be huge. Hopefully, Carroll won't fall into the trap of being the next Raiders HC who finds failure with this losing org. It's been an impossible trend to break.
Forget Pierce's inexperience, the Raiders were loaded with coaching talent last year and had their worst season since going 2-14.
This decades long streak is an organizational curse. Is Pete up for that?
As for QB, I'd choose Fields over Wilson, and I said that last year too. Fields still needs grooming but he has far more upside and longevity on his side.
I'm squarely against signing Darnold after watching him throw screen passes to the turf in the Vikings payoff game. He is a choker. Need someone with ice in their veins.
Let AOC, Fields and a draft QB battle it out. The Raiders don't have many options.
Fired up after that press conference, especially with Money Lynch yelling a huge "RAAAAIIIIDERS!" Glad to see Maxx there too, btw, he ain't going anywhere.
I think John drafts a QB, if not the first, then in the second. I like Will Howard, but there are others too. Another name I like is Jalen Milroe, though his stats and TD/Int ratio are a hot mess. That is, of course, if Sanders or Cam Ward doesn't fall to #6. I am not a fan of Jaxson Dart, however.
Raiders need a RB too, not a good look getting rid of Josh Jacobs. We will see.
Raiders were stupid to let Jacobs walk, but nobody looks dumber right now than the Giants. Barkley is all-world and cannot be stopped.
On a side note, the Eagles are all that stands in the way of the "Swifties" Chiefs 3-peating. Not sure I could stomach that.
NYR......Watching these KC Swifts games has become sort of comical. Everyone knows it's in the bag for Swifts to win. The calls by refs are hilarious. Bending over backwards to ensure a KC Swifts victory.
NFL should change name to, NFRL, as in, The, Not For Real League ! Nothing we are watching is real !
Funny, it's so obvious it's been a topic on the Howard Stern show.
Unless the game is rigged, Eagles have enough to beat the Chiefs.
I saw a photo-shopped meme on Twitter or X or whatever, after the game, and it was Mahomes kissing a referee. I thought it was hilarious. 2 blown calls on first down for the Bills, and gave the ball tot he Swifts. The non-catch catch. Too many non calls for holding to protect Mahomes.
In other NFL news, Bill Musgrave is the new QB coach for the Browns. I really wanted him back as OC. I will be happy if they go after the Texans OC who was recently let go, Bobby Slowick.
What made Musgrave so effective as Raiders OC was his willingness to let Carr make plays on his own. That's when Carr is at his best. But I don't think he's been coordinator since, meaning he might be a little behind the curve. Musgrave had his moment but that may have past.
It's interesting because Raiders will need a dynamic coordinator who can work with pocket passer like AOC and possibly a scrambler like Justin Fields or maybe Geno Smith.
Also, the way this is being framed (at least for PR sake) is that It's understood this is the only contract Pete Carroll will receive from the Raiders, and that he intends to hire talented coaches which intentionally should include his successor (which he will groom).
Not sure Bill Musgrave is that guy. Maybe he could be, but IDK.
One thing for sure, Carroll can't afford to miss at OC like Pierce did.
If you watch teams like Washington or Philly, you will see that they are so confident in their offenses, they go for short 4th downs all over the field... and usually get them. The Raiders seem light years from that level of proficiency.
Well, Musgrave won't be back because he is the new QB coach in Cleveland. Bobby Slowick should be the #1 OC Candidate. I really do not understand why the Texans let him go.
Okay, I watched the presser. Love the energy and passion of Pete Carroll. He might be a little long in the tooth, but he definitely has some chops left.
Perhaps the Raiders still get outplayed (that's to be determined) but the days of the Raiders getting outcoached are over while PC is on the sideline.
Without a doubt, the most elevated and accomplished HC the Raiders have ever hired.
There's something to be said for that. Let's hope it works!
Al-Anon
We got a good HC but we didn't once again, try to get an elite HC from pro or college levels.
We have a very experienced front office but will be bring int he players for them to coach up?
No, this team isn't making big moves, they got an experienced HC and assistants but they really needed somebody with some boldness and a little rebellious or willing to make big decisions. we will build a well coached team but if they spent big on star FA's maybe we'd be a winning team faster. you got a good and famous/ big name HC but you're letting an inexperienced guy build your team.
Looks like they're bringing back Patrick Graham as defensive coordinator I think that's good news for the team and all the free agents they have. Sandy
They brought back ST coordinator too.
I believe Graham became a more aggressive play-caller over the past two years, following the energy and determination of Crosby and Spillane. He went from read and react to regularly blitzing. And he moved Moehrig closer to the LOS, elevating his play 3x.
Keeping this system and adding a few players is probably a good call.
Graham can sign a multi-year deal as DC for the Raiders and still take a HC job whenever he's offered. That's what he wants.
I'm a little surprised, though, because Pete Carroll is a D-minded HC. You'd think he'd want his own system.
A key takeaway from the intro presser is that the Raiders brass expect to win immediately. This is not a rebuild in their estimation. After a clear statement to that effect, it's funny to see all the media headlines about a Raiders rebuild happening. These writers can't see their nose in front of their faces. It probably signals the Raiders will bring in another vet QB, like Russell Wilson, Geno Smith or Sam Darnold.
Spytek top priorities now, especially, if Graham remains DC, re-sign Spillane, Butler and Moehrig. Also, restructure Crosby with new guarantees. None of that is rocket science.
This IS a rebuild because the team was bad/ looked bad but were better than the looked or was TANKING.
They are rebuilding and they need to spend big to try and make the playoffs in '25.
1. get Crosby a good back up pass rusher.
2. don't let Crosby and Wilkins play every down they are pass rushers and should play mostly on passing downs and/ or rotate with other DLs' more.
Amy Trask and Suzy Schuster have a podcast called "What the Football." They did an interview with Pete Carroll yesterday that is AWESOME! You can listen to it here:
https://open.spotify.com/episode/6zK5HKD7WgeNj8iCzNsvng?si=caba44091a8d4e20
Sorry, I can't help it. This has been repeated many times and it's still the dumbest statement I think I've read from the author.
"don't let Crosby and Wilkins play every down they are pass rushers and should play mostly on passing downs and/ or rotate with other DLs' more."
Maxx Crosby is arguably the best edge player against the run in the NFL.
But it gets worse. It's compounded by this statement...
"get Crosby a good backup pass rusher."
So the author of these ridiculous statements wants to remove Crosby from running plays, then rotate him out on passing downs.
Geez! Should Crosby get to play at all?
Complete foolishness.
BTW, the "not rebuilding" comment is not from me, it's from Pete Carroll, citing his conversations with Mark Davis and/or "the interview team" which included Tom Brady. So don't take my word for it. Go to the source.
And please stop suggesting the Raiders were tanking. They won 2 of their last 3 games. That's not tanking... by any definition.
I don't know how you expect anyone to take you seriously when you don't bring facts or common sense to the discussion.
Rumor out that Tom Cable is rejoining the Raiders coaching staff, for the third time. Like 2x wasn't enough.
Cable is a firm believer in zone blocking.
Of all people, Pete Carroll should remember, Cable got chased out of Seattle for his awful time as their line coach. He came to the Raiders (then 2nd stint) and failed ZBS again.
His claim to fame prior to that was calling his own plays while briefly HC of the Raiders, only to be undermined by Al Davis, who hired Hue Jackson to take over play-calling duties. The following year he replaced Cable with Jackson as HC.
Cable also was accused of punching Randy Hanson. Remember that?
Cable is not a bad guy, just someone with bad ideas about play-calling. While he won't be OC, his preferred ZBS should be banned by the Raiders org.
To NY Raider,
Al-Anon
NY!, now, you saw them lose games they shouldn't've lost then they win a few then lose the rest, they
Whatever the game plan was it wasn't to get the top overall pick. mainly because they don't want to pay a rookie/ young QB that much money so I don't think they really planned to get 1 of the 2 elite QBs' anyway. at least that makes sense, they'll put or should put a group of guys to focus on finding a steal in later rounds and
Crosby and Wilkins-my bad idea?: Crosby plays on a bad team and is getting older, he's starting to ware down. since the Raiders feel they can find a steal in later rounds(the draft) or sign a cheap but good FA player they refuse to get Crosby a talented back DE/ edge to play while these 2 guys rest more.
What you're suggesting is absolutely incorrect. Because the Raiders lost games they should have won (in your opinion), you say they were "tanking." That's absurd. Every team loses games like that.
Tanking means they lose games that are meaningful for them to lose, e.g., to get higher draft picks. The Raiders won two of their last three games and blew that theory out of contention. But here you are trying to warp that into something else.
I don't understand why that needs to be explained.
And suggesting Crosby stay on the sideline for any plays is foolishness. Are you his agent? Maybe you're trying to setup his retirement plan?
If Pete Carroll went to Maxx Crosby and suggested what you said about limiting his playing time, the first words out of Crosby's mouth would be "TRADE ME." And he'd be well in his right to ask.
It's not rocket science.
It's frustrating trying to make sense of your wacky theories.
Yes! the Raiders were TANKING!!! wow! you were right! they want a QB then you say they suddenly decided to win! yes, you were right again! yes, they won but not to win they wanted to miss out on the 1st and 2nd picks. why? IMO...I think the NFL told them not to go after those elite QBs. but probably they decided they were going to let their special group or their GM with help from Brady find a QB in lower rounds I think the Saints and the teams at the end of the year were trying to lose or not win and the Raiders just couldn't get them to TANK.
"...they wanted to miss out on the 1st and 2nd picks because the NFL told them not to go after elite QBs."
You think that's a grounded perspective?
That's unhinged.
If they wanted to get those picks what could they have done?
The last few teams they played may've been trying to TANK. so the Raiders couldn't out lose them? or the teams
This isn't rocket science you TANK to get the top pick. But the Raiders don't pick elite players they're the only team that purposely went after system guys and you have to know that was ridiculous. they think they can copy Bellichick's vision/ system? even if they thought they could and had some ex-dynasty Patriots' guys in their front office- if Bellichick was giving them advise they shouldn't've done that! but you have the nerve to support this none sense! you don't think they wanted the Raiders to get to a certain point but not the overall pick for some reason mainly because they want somebody else to have it and for to do good but not that good. they want us to get an elite player now because they want to con us with "a new hero is going to build a winner" talk.
Friend, nothing you say is accurate. Your words are not steeped in facts or logic, and sometimes downright ridiculous.
The Raiders had the top pick and lost it by winning two games to end the season. That's definitely not tanking! Mark Davis was ecstatic about winning those two games, so nobody told him either.
You said "the NFL told the Raiders not to go after elite QBs." That would be huge breaking news. Yet not a single media outlet, blogger, team executive, coach, ball boy or housewife has ever said a word about it.
Apparently, it's a secret that only you know.
When that happens, it's time to step away from the pipe.
And then why are you saying it was stupid, bad decision to try and win those games then? if in fact they planned to get a "Franchise QB"? that's silly! and well, maybe MD was happy about the win but he's the owner and doesn't/ may not know what his staff does!
When you think that they according to some of you, TANKED then why would they suddenly feel like they want to win? then fire the HC after the season if he did a great thing by stop TANKING and winning a few more games?
Yea, it doesn't make sense that they would win and then lose the rest of those games. If they just lost to a better team then o.k. I admit I'm wrong- the situation is not clear- if they were trying to lose or just got too excited/ hyped and played hard and did they get beaten by better team or did something happend because maybe the other team wanted to TANK too but the Raiders just played bad football harder?---------------
By your definition of tanking, Al Davis tanked the final nine years of his reign as the Raiders supreme leader. During that time, Al oversaw worse seasons than the Raiders just had.
If the 2024 Raiders were tanking, they would have results to show for it (like a top draft pick). There's no degree of tanking which other teams tanked better than the Raiders. That's absurd. The Raiders tried to win those games. Pierce was coaching for his life to win those games... and he won two of his last three, then got fired for losing the others. That's NOT tanking.
Now it's moot. The Raiders have a new head coach and still no clear path to obtaining a QB. That has nothing to do with the NFL. Suggesting it does makes you look foolish.
Raiders made their own mess.
Sometimes the most obvious things are true. No need to twist the facts beyond recognition.
Scott Tuner is leaving Raiders to be an assistant for Jets. I think Tuner has some chops. He certainly has pedigree. He'll be OC again in the NFL.
Carroll needs to find a truly talented OC. Because picking the wrong OC is exactly what cost Pierce his job.
And no matter what we think of Carroll, he's not likely to last more than 2-3 seasons, leaving the Raiders to retool again. And not by necessity, this time by design. That's why hiring Carroll is a bit of a headscratcher.
But who am I to say. Carroll is the most elevated and experienced HC the Raiders organization has ever hired.
Pierce was young and inexperienced. Carroll is the exact opposite.
If the Raiders "F" this up, they will have completed the circle and officially screwed up every way possible. (Just an observation.)
Chip Kelly is the new OC, I like it he knows how to run the ball. Sandy
The Raiders and your opinion/ claims
The traded for D. Adams for 2 high picks- then got rid of the best QB they had- then trade Adams for a 3rd round pick.
They hired coach Allen and fired coach Jackson.
They fired coach Del Rio and hired coach Gruden II
They wouldn't draft another elite player after taking K. Mack until they drafted DE/ edge Wilson. but later drafted TE B. Bowers.
They refused to hire an elite HC or GM.
They just hired a very good HC but hired another inexperienced GM.
NY!, this team has done almost everything it could to suck/ lose! They have shown they will go farther than most pro teams to be bad. they done some ridiculous thing and then they
Al's rosters were as good if not better than most of those teams. you can't blame him for these guys and how they played and also many teams had older and veteran HCs' so to put down on Al's guys is unfair/ silly. this team has been bad for over 10 years- the new regimes, how can all these leaders be that bad? Al lost for 9 years and there were different regimes, so Al's teams didn't lose for 22+ years.
Yea they TANKED and then won games and then suddenly lost again, when they could've won- IMO. because maybe, those other teams were trying to TANK to so you're telling me the Raiders couldnt win those last games?
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Raiders might be thinking out of the box a little bit by hiring Chip Kelly. Already lots of rumblings about his Will Howard connection and bringing the QB to the Raiders. Of course, Howard would be a reach with the #6 pick.
Kelly was meh as a HC in the NFL but found success coaching at college level. He obviously has some chops calling plays and brings a wealth of college scouting with him... like insider information. That could be helpful!
Chip Kelly is the new OC, WOW! He did awesome at Ohio State. I think he will do well as OC here. I'm hoping he will help the Raiders with their Red Zone issues. Pete has put together a terrific staff, no excuses now. We will see if it has been a coaching issue or a player/talent issue.
I'm more inclined to say it was a coaching issue; but in reality maybe it was both. We will see. Good hires and moves so far by Pete, now let's see what they do in Free Agency and the Draft. I'm hoping we stay away from the likes of some veteran QBs, and I'm hoping we draft a young QB (Sanders, Ward, or Howard in later rounds). I really feel our biggest need on offense is RB and O-Line.
The bottom line is once again, we are headed into a new season, with a shiny new coaching staff and hope. The Raiders now have to go out and JUST PROVE IT, BABY!
Let's be honest about Pete Carroll, Chip Kelly, Patrick Graham, and the Raiders coaching staff right now. Raiders haven't had an innovative OC like this since Al hired Hue Jackson to be OC. They haven't had a coaching staff like this since John Madden/Tom Flores days. These are truly exciting times for the Raiders, right when I was ready to throw in the towel, they went and hired a staff that can win now. Now to put the pieces of the roster together
Kelly is getting paid $6M a year to be Raiders OC, so there's clearly a price tag that goes with having qualified staff.
Suddenly there's a winning pedigree in the building. But that doesn't assure winning. Raiders have found a strange way of finding defeat, like no other professional sports franchise.
Nothing is certain. It's the Raiders!
PS we can dispel any rumors about Mark Davis not having the money.
After firing and buying out contracts for three consecutive coaching/GM regimes, Davis has opened his wallet again... in a big way.
If the Raiders DIDN'T TANK in the 1st place we wouldn't be arguing over whether they really tried to TANK or was just mediocre/ bad as usual/ like they've been for years and was really trying to win.
But the fact was they looked like they were TANKING IMO...they TANKED the season and made A.P. and Telesco the blame(s) for the last season slump/ losing last games.
So, did they really TANK or just lost those last games to better teams? they wanted to win more than get a high draft pick?
IMO...I think some of the last teams they played wanted to TANK and how is it the Raiders couldn't beat them? you mean, they couldn't lose on purpose?
They didn't TANK but weren't a good team this year.
They did a lot of strange things and if you can answer what all of that was then I guess I'm wrong.
To Aussie Raider, Crazy Troll part II
Al Anon
A bunch of guys who go fan anything that a team/ media sells them only because they can't understand that the NFL is corrupt, hates the Al Davis era and did this to this team.
That for over 10 years they keep waiting for some hero to turn this team around but won't admit Al couldn't've been the blame for this problems and that this team isn't better than his era.
I call it "The curse of Al Davis", a father who denied his only son the wealth of knowledge and business acumen that he had to offer, which could have potentially saved the Raiders a decade of misery,
When Mark Davis felt compelled to tell media "he didn't know what he didn't know," that wasn't Mark's fault. That was Al's fault that Mark didn't know.
Your facts-be-damned fixation about blaming the NFL for the Raiders problems has reached a level of paranoid schizophrenia (Google it!).
To NY Raider,
Al-Anon
Who ADVISED Mark on how to make decisons? was it Al's employees? was it some elite NFL guy or a friend/ ex-employee of Al's?
No, it was rumors and misleading news that Al's ex-employees/ friends TOLD him to hire Reggie.
The NFL the new NFL which is billionaire owner and wall street controlled, is
and worst of all!-! they are using a system that Al helped create("franchise free agency")! you mean a guy who fell from genius to the worst owner in pro sports you gonna use his system to get more powerful and richer?
You can attack my points but you can't say Al wasn't STILL the biggest GM in the NFL when he died! a league that claims it is so honest and has integrity and character calls a guy a nut, senile, evil and dysfunctional and they are using something he helped create to get rich!
Also, Al's rosters were outstanding, he didn't cap his salary and go after average-to good players and try to coach 'em up! what's sad/ funny is fans thought that was a good idea but the new Raiders couldn't copy Belichick's vision/ system but they've made a disgrace/ joke of this team and kept it back for years trying to do it. but the fans buy their hype when they claim they have a new winning system.
NYR....It may be a little unfair to blame Al for Marks lack of football knowledge. The old saying, "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink", might apply here. Mark may have had no interest in his younger days. But, we will never really know.
Things really taking shape now with Raiders. Looks like Carroll will coach for a few seasons, and than either Kelly, or Graham will take over. Wow, an actual plan for the Raiders !!
Ghost, I may have sensationalized it a bit for our friend, who seems to have no idea what or who the Raiders are, nor how the NFL works.
Al-Anon, for all your idolization of Al Davis, you have no clue that Reggie McKenzie was a Raiders legacy. He was hired as a well-respected football executive and disciple of Ron Wolf who began his career as a scout for the Raiders and Al Davis. And it was the late great John Madden who advised Mark Davis after Al died.
But you're here telling us it was the NFL who brought Reggie McKenzie to the Raiders.
You are completely out of your mind. Nobody should believe a word you say!
Who told Reggie to:
1. fire ALL of Al's employees?
2. to get rid of ALL the players on the roster?
3. to draft a guy who just got out of the hospital in the 1st round?
4. to refuse to spend big on free agents?
Al's ex-employees and/ or friends didn't advise Reggie to do any of the things he did.
The Packers were successful but he didn't use Al's vision or GB's vision/ ideas.
Reggie didn't have a game plan he didn't even know coach Allen.
A fan base that keeps buying the most ridiculous hype that media can sell when you can see its' not about winning or anything to help/ for us. its' about pay back to Al for years of feuding and that CBA thing and getting the 'brand'!
Now we have a guy w/ no front office experience running the team and you think its' great! and you call me "out of my mind"!?
No team did what the new Raiders did for 5 to 6 years after '12 only getting Gruden II helps a very bad looking/ embarrassing story/ history of decisions.
And you keep buying hype about a turn around and the same system the Patriots' system and then when they do the most ridiculous things you say oh, we just need some more help/ changes and this/ that regime will turn this team around. yet, you don't ask why don't you try other ways, like Al's or Jimmy Johnson's? why do the same system? and why Brady and not an elite front office person?
Yea, you attack my points and call me "out of my mind" and you can talk about Al's last 9 years and how crazy/ too much my claim are and then- the Raiders pay an OC 6M. really!? they could've hired decent OCs' but paying a guy big money to be OC but there are star FAs' who are expensive that can help a bad team get better, the Raiders are spending on staff but there are players who they could spend on too.
Yes, when you lose for 10 straight years, people get fired.
Wake up!
To other Anon,
Al-Anon
We are looking for heroes to turn this team around/ go back to 'glory' but we don't want to answer who is really in control of this game plan!
Nobody does this! inexperienced guy running a whole team, a HOF'er legendary football man that nobody want's to use his vision/ ideas, hiring a good but older HC and paying his OC huge money but not paying star FA's huge money! then to fire you ex-HC because you(allegedly) TANKED the season and he isn't to blame for the season, and firing your GM when he allegedly, did a good job.
Well, there is the ol' saying that some are called to be offensive coordinators and not Head Coaches (Norv Turner and Chip Kelly apply here). Greg Olson has a knack for being a QB Coach, and not a coordinator; and Pete has brought Mr Vanilla in for the 3rd time to be QB Coach. I think this is the first disappointing hire made in this transition; or one that I'm not too excited about.
We will see if Mr. Vanilla can work in his strength as QB coach, and who are next QB will be?
Greg Olsen had a hand in bringing ZBS to the Raiders during one or both of his previous stints with the team, and I don't forgive him for that, but he also worked with Derek Carr in a very "Bill Musgrave fashion" after Jon Gruden resigned, and the Raiders offense notably improved as a result.
So, the jury is still out on Olsen. I believe he's a good coach.
At the end of the day, Chip Kelly calling the offense, Patrick Graham calling the defense and Pete Carroll calling the game on the sideline should be a significant upgrade over what we're used to... all else being equal.
Raiders have among the highest cap space of any team. If they can figure out the QB position (and that might mean coaching up AOC and giving him a legit run game), the Raiders could be much improved.
So, I might still scratch my head over a short-term hire of Pete Carroll, but you won't hear me say I'm disappointed, because I'm not.
Chip Kelly will be making $6 million a year. It was just reported Patrick Graham will make in the area of $4 million.
That's $10M for the coordinators. Not sure what Carroll will get paid, but you can be sure it's $10M or more.
On the heels of paying off three consecutive failed regimes, Davis doesn't mind spending more money.
To Raidernation,
Al-Anon
We got a name coach but it seems like another scheme if Carroll isn't the HC they wanted then we are looking at more schemes and conservative and bad advise moves.
They pay the assistants more than the players which means they think they will coach up players and not bring in a lot of expensive/ star FAs'. what they should do is spend big on FAs. they could hire young electric assistants or another OC to add something to their O and Carroll could help build the D. but they could use some of Al's old staff to add more to their 'game plan'. Al's staff and Carrolls coaching might help them win and maybe they can be a good team.
Al's old staff? It's been over 40 years since the Raiders won a world championship. Don't bother making a list of Al's coaches who you think were good. You'll be wasting your time.
Again, all that would put may points in a tough spot/ on the ground except a couple of things
A fan base is buying the hype that an ex-star QB and DE is gonna turn this team around but have no front office experience.
they got the HC but he isn't the answer, longterm. and you have an expensive staff BUT! they refuse to spend big on star FAs' and refuse to bring in a star/ good veteran QB. and keep helping other teams in some really lop sided trades(A. Brown, D. Adams).
Brady is running the show and Carroll is his HC. and you don't see something is strange, questionable and risky/ not too smart about that?
al was evil because he bullied and intimidated people.
the NFL has done worse
Al was evil for causing the merger but also because he didn't want it
the NFL was a run 1st league and had only 12 teams before the merger.
Al was evil for 1st moving the Raiders to L.A. and back to Oakland.
the NFL has 'screwed' many cities by not stopping owners from moving from loyal fans and decent stadiums AND-, for being o.k. w/ owners using "Franchise free agency" that Al helped create- the guy they say was dysfunctional, evil and incompetent- they use the scheme and have gone crazy/ wild with it.
Al was evil for mistreating Marcus.
Yea, he was- it was wrong to mistreat Marcus and not trade him or let him play but other owners have benched/ released players and fans say yea! he's a drama queen(king) and is making money- enough money! don't give in to him!
Nooooo NY, I was being difficult and sarcastic I'm not saying he was 'evil' I was acting like the media who said that about him.
See what I was saying! here's an example/ my real points!
Al was 'evil' BECAUSE he didn't work w/ the NFL and feuded with them.
Well, the NFL didn't do anything to make itself more better/ this great American sports entertainment and civil rights opportunities and top sports league it was Al and many AFL people who did that.
Al was 'evil' because he controlled everything on the team for years.
Most owners let people run their teams because they don't know the football side of the business but some will let guys who mistreat staff/ players and also will get rid of star players if they hold out too long and miss winning, making the playoffs or being a contender instead of keeping their best/ star players.
See NY, I was being sarcastic that's all.
NY if you think Tom Brady, John Elway, John Lynch, Reggie McKenzie, the Pat's guys, Harbaugh, Peyton or Andy Reid know more about football and can succeed better than Al you are confused and naive.
The only reason the Raiders are sucking is because the NFL did this to us! out of revenge and to show Al he can't mess w/ their money!
Again, because again, these new billionaire owners
1. have connection to law/ courts people.
2. have more power than the old school owners.
3. have control of the league.
4. have a way to intimidate players and other owners if they don't cooperate with the scheme.
5. some owners own media companies and they can cover up and make the Raiders look very bad and the normal media is friends with the leagues not the teams.
I mean, this is not a joke this is outright criminal activity.
Criminal? Because you say so?
Al Davis epically failed the Raiders during his last 10 years and, arguably, for 15 years prior to that. So, yeah, John Elway, John Lynch, Sean Payton (or Peyton Manning, whoever you're referring to), Tom Brady and Andy Reid all have one up on Al Davis since 1985.
Andy Reid is facing a three-peat. Al didn't have a one-peat for his last 25 years.
Your paranoia about the NFL and its owners is laughable. They own the NFL and make the rules. What's "criminal" is your theory that the NFL and its owners are preventing the Raiders from successfully navigating the NFL.
Because the Raiders have failed for so long, you think it's unfathomable and that they deserve welfare.
That's incredibly lame. You live in a world of denial with zero accountability.
Eagles D line was dominate. They rushed with 4 guys and were in Mahomes face the entire game.
Not to beat a dead horse, but Jalen Carter was there for the Raiders taking in the draft and they picked Tyree Wilson, who has yet to show up for the Raiders.
Eagles DC John Fangio has to be a top HC candidate right now. He fielded the best defense during the season, then they dominated the SB.
Chiefs defense was good too, shutting down Barkley, but Jalen Hurts was better.
Disappointing lopsided game, but Eagles were the best team.
The Eagles made the world a better place by punching Mahomes in the face! That was a great Super Bowl, made my heart happy. I don't know if you remember or not, but the Eagles defense played Antonio Pierce's game the Raiders had vs the Chiefs a few Christmas' ago; even a pick 6 that was similar to Jack Jones.
The Eagles D-Line domination is the exact reason why the Raiders need to draft Abdul Carter at #6, then take a RB or QB in the second (Hampton or Will Howard). Mahomes cannot handle the pressure, he folds. Raiders need to bolster the D-Line this way, and pressure Mahomes to fold. The other aspect, not talked about, was how they shut down Kelce to 2 catches all night. That was with Kelce, Deandre Hopkins, and JuJu Schuster-Smith running routes, and not having the time to get open because of consistent pressure.
This should be the game plan moving forward for Pete and the Raiders. "The QB must go down, and must go down hard." - Al Davis
Another aspect of game was the tremendous pressure on NFL for game to be called fairly. After the first ridiculous penalty call against Eagles, game was called fairly, and of course, KC Swifts had no chance.
What if Raiders sign Aaron Rogers ? Does that mean they also must get back Devante Adams ? The two are joined at the hip, right ?
IMO, Rodgers and/or Adams to the Raiders would be a mistake. Jets have already proven that. I think the Raiders should draft or sign a young stud WR, then throw the ball to Bowers and Meyers whenever possible.
Honestly, there's no perfect answer. Carroll has his work cut out for him. He'll probably need to be better than his previous works in order to fix the Raiders, who suck on the field and have been rife with dysfunction off the field. He'll need to break the curse.
To NY Raider!
Al-Anon
Wow!, what a super bowl!!! this the new NFL didn't care about 'the game' didn't worry if there was a decent, even PARITY game! just make sure they made $Ms' while the fans again go for anything! What a scam!!!!
Why can't Mahomes play that badly for us? why wait until the SB to ? what was he doing?
Oh, it was the great Eagles' D! I know the Eagles just whipped 'em!
when has Mahomes EVER played like that? where was Xavier and other stars on O? what was the problem with the coaching? Seems K.C. just wasn't ready or maybe were partying or was dazzed/ didn't want to 3 peat!
Funny!, before the game the media and experts were all Philly and K.C. seemed to be playing into that! mistakes and bad play and seemingly terrible coaching and it's o.k.- nothing strange about that
When has Mahomes EVER played like that?
When has the stars on O never made huge plays?
When has the D not helped the O and isn't 1 of the best in the NFL?...the NFL is very, very corrupt!
As for your
Yea its criminal!!! wow! this is embarrassing! the only fan base that waits a decade for the NFL to help it and you gotta know it was the league who after Al passed gave the Raiders a lot of advise
1. they didn't like maybe hated the Raiders
2. they didn't care for/ had problems w and maybe hated Al.
Its' not easy to prove the owners are messing with Raiders but there was a lot of pressure for the Raiders to get along w/ league and worry about what their next move would be. somebody was/ is advising them and it just doesn't make a lot of sense for a top corporation to not try to get 1 of it's businesses its' feuded w/ to cooperate. IDK...but I think its' the NFL that advised/ advises them- they want all teams to win but not 1 run by the Davis family.
Al couldn't have a 1 peat mainly because of age, time, free agency and the NFL feud and their PARITY system and when he built a team the '00-'02 teams the NFL attacked the Raiders! he was a winner in every decade- you can talk about how great/ good those other coaches were/ are- they could lead and build teams but he could do that and more he could win in different decades and coach and GM a team too.
3 peat? why it was so easy for K.C. to 2 peat? because they've tried to build teams that win not copy some system(Patriot Way) and the NFL isn't tampering with them- except maybe in the SB.
The AFC!: Cincy, K.C., Balt., Pitts, Buff, Houston. these are the best in the AFC and they
speed: a Branch-like WR
athleticism: a tall fast pass rushing DE and some DB's with skill and who might be turned/ coached up into star players could help them and maybe be go from mediocrity to good or maybe a very good or maybe, top NFL unit-, a secondary that might become a top 1.
find an edge-, leader/ ex-star veterans: they do sign vet FAs' but they don't take chances on washed up, veteran stars just going for cheap players to try and find a spark/ a guy who can play well- to help them win.
Is it the players or the team or both? is T. Wilson a bust?:
T. Wilson was supposed to be elite is it him or the Raiders? the Raiders have passed over a lot of elite college stars and you keep defending them!
I don't know how you do it! 1st you try to put down/ criticize 1 of the best sports legends in sports history then you try to make it seem 31 other teams are somehow better than us and we just need to copy them to be winners.
If Al were a Charger now!: They'd throw that old passing game at us and we'd be toasted and thrust fooder.
Al a Bronco: special teams! wow! he knew about the thin air he'd find some of the best kickers in college and have maybe the best STs' of all time.
Al in K.C.!: you'd have less elite defensive stars but a faster D w/ a top secondary and the pass rush would be very good. the O would be elite you know! 1 of the reasons K.C. was dominated by us in the 70s' and 80's was they couldn't find those O stars(until M. Allen and J. Montana in the 90s') but now well, K.C. is awesome!
Al a Raiders now!: he'd hire a decent HC or 1 of those young OC types. he'd overhaul this team!!!! he'd bring in faster DBs and WRs'. he'd build a strong front office.
Raiders are not a good team and w/ some work could do a better job of building a good team.
Troll on Jones
I call Horse Puckey on that jones, you can watch the YouTube video of mark davis at the press conference talking about “who” told him to hire Regina.its not rumours or misleading news when it came directly from Marks mouth.
The lousy part is everyone makes mistakes in hiring and firing.
Al had some of the best teams and some of the all time worst teams under his watch and care, let’s afford ol MD the same leeway we have given his old man. This off-season hiring are unlike any we have experienced in a long time if ever. I like our direction and can’t wait to see what our front office does up to and including the draft.
Aussie Raider
Free Agency hasn’t even started yet you fool “Panty/Jones” troll, maybe do something productive and make that list of Al’s talented ex coaches that they can bring in and advise the OC… funnest thing I’ve read in awhile. You must keep the orderlies busy on the funny farm.
Aussie Raider
Utter nonsense!
It has nothing to do with the "Patriot Way." Chiefs have Patrick Mahomes.
Even the Patriots didn't have the Patriot way as you describe it. They had Tom Brady.
You just make stuff up. Why?!
Almost time for Scouting Combine and Free Agency. As the Scouting combine approaches, here are a few underrated QB's to watch, who I think their stock will rise.
Will Howard (Ohio St), Kyle McCord (Syracuse), and Tyler Shough (Louisville).
Jalen Milroe scares me, and Jaxon Dart has good numbers, but something doesn't sit right with me about him either. I need to watch more film on him I guess. I feel he doesn't recognize coverage and tries to gunsling it. He is lucky so far in college, but it will bite him in the but at the next level.
Quinn Ewers is getting a lot of run, but I think his stock drops.
Jeanty is the clear #1 RB, and is very comparable to Derrick Henry. I think you see Judkins, Hampton, and Kaleb Johnson's stock rise; but the underdog in this group to me is Kalel Mullings (Michigan). He is 6'2, 233lbs, and around a 4.5/40. He's a very physical runner who has been hidden behind Blake Corum and Donovan Edwards. He is a great zone runner, and reminds me a lot of Tyrone Wheatley.
I think these 2 positions (QB and RB) are a must for the Raiders this year. Not much in the QB pile for Free Agency. A lot of smoke from beat writers about FA QBs that the Raiders are tied too (Sam Darnold, Russ Wilson, Aaron Rodgers, and even Jameis Winston). They are also tied to rumors about trading for Stafford (which I wouldn't be opposed to, better than some of the aforementioned names). Then there are rumors of what the Saints will do with Derek Carr. Listen, I loved Carr; thought it was bogus what McDummy did to him. I'd love to see him back too; but at what cost? If he is cut by the Saints, yes. If we have to trade for him, no. If it prevents us from drafting a QB, no.
Outside of Najee Harris, not much in RB either. I know Pete likes big RBs too. Nick Chubb is intriguing though. I know last year he was coming off that big knee injury and still looked broken. I wonder if he came back too soon. I'd definitely bring him in for a work out and "kick the wheels."
Whatever the Raiders do in Free Agency will definitely affect the draft. Rumors are also that they may pursue a reunion with Khalil Mack. If they do, that would change the pursuit of Adbul Carter. Tee Higgins, Chris Godwin, Marquise Brown, Darius Slayton, and Deandre Hopkins would all be intriguing at WR.
Chavarius Ward, Asante Samuel Jr, Byron Murphy, and re-signing Nate Hobbs at CB would be intriguing as well.
Not much on the O-line in Free Agency, which we have some holes to fill (C, RT, and depth), so I expect that to be addressed in the draft. Keep your eyes on guys who can play multiple positions on the O-line. Grey Zabel (N Dakota St, T/G/C), Jonah Monheim (USC, T/G/C), Xavier Truss (Georgia, T/G), Caleb Rogers (TX Tech, both RT and LT), Joshua Gray (Oregon St T/G), and Kelvin Banks (Texas, T/G). That is what I am looking into as we approach the fun season of football.
I am going to end with a proud dad brag. I'm more focused on baseball right now. My son is starting his Junior year, and 3 year starter on varsity. He plays in Region 4 of Texas (Southwest: Laredo, Corpus Christi, Victoria region), which is the toughest baseball region in the state. He is in a 3A school, and he was ranked #9 pitcher in the state for 3A schools as a sophomore last year. Writers down here have him as one of 3 players to watch in our district, and the other 2 were Seniors. He is 6'2 1/2, has a 85 mph four-seam and two-seam fastball, curve, slider, and nasty change up. He is being scouted by 10 D1 schools and 7 JUCO/NAIA schools that we know of. He developed his two-seam this summer. It starts outside, and the last nine feet runs about 10-12 inches inside to a right-handed batter. Pretty proud of him, he just keeps improving. Look for his name in the future: Caleb Ingle.
I could see the Raiders taking Jeanty with first pick and Howard with second pick. That's a bit ahead of seeding for both players but these two guys can really help the Raiders. Jeanty is another Bowers-level playmaker, and Howard has a huge advantage having played for Chip Kelly.
Of course, all bets are off if Ward or Sanders is available when the Raiders pick.
These QBs are all being link to the Raiders by media. All would be an upgrade, but probably only one of them is SB worthy at this point in their career. Others are Vikings castoffs and one is a future HOFer.
Matthew Stafford
Kirk Cousins
Sam Darnold
Aaron Rodgers
The Rams would be foolish to allow Stafford to walk.
My son started 2 games this week, the opening game on Tuesday, and a tournament game on Friday. Tuesday, he pitched 4 innings, 3 hits, 2 runs (1 Earned) and got the Win 5-2. Friday, he pitched a complete game. He went into the last inning up 11-0; but defense gave away shutout, but he still won 11-3. He is 2-0 to start the season with a 1.33 ERA, 3 BBs, 13 K's. He also has the team's first, and so far only, HR of the season with a 370 ft bomb over the Left-Center wall. Not a bad way to start the season.
Congrats for his success, Nate. After the season we just had, I'm happy to see baseball back in swing (pun intended). Raiders have so much work to do. They have many of their own free agents who should be re-signed.
Thanks NY. He has college scouts coming to every game to watch him pitch, and now play CF and hit when he's not pitching. He hasn't had any offers yet; but only because NIL has changed how they recruit and offer (probably won't get one until Sr year). I'd rather him go to a NAIA school over JUCO because JUCO coaches can only work with you 12 hours a week (which basically covers games), so he is in charge of his own development. NAIA schools, you have access to the coaches anytime. I pitched for an NAIA school my freshman year. Ended up losing my scholarship due to grade point average, did way too much (5 drum scholarships for Jazz/Contemporary groups, and a basketball scholarship). Wish I would have had better focus.
Anyway, all that to say, I'm super proud of him. He is a better athlete than I was, more disciplined and focused. Can't wait to see what the Lord does with his life and talents.
To NY Raider,
Al-Anon
The Raiders have tried to copy the 'Patriot way'/ 'NFL way' for years! they've tried to be cheap and avoid spending big in free agency, they won't let star FA's bluff, impress and pressure them into paying them big money, they draft players for their system and they coach up good players instead of signing elite/ star FAs' but the Patriots did an outstanding/ awesome job of it and the new Raiders haven't succeeded at it.
The Patriots had Brady: yea, they did but they had a system too and it was conservative and they didn't spend a lot on stars the funny thing is they started signing star FA's but they talked them into playing for less.
I never said anything about Mahomes except that he played a very strange and bad game! and that K.C. just doesn't play like that and why would they suddenly do it in the SB?
Again, you say things without knowing the truth or caring to acknowledge the truth.
The Raiders have paid some of the biggest contracts in NFL history over the past several years, and longer. Christian Wilkins and Davante Adams immediately come to mind, but there have been other big contracts. Saying they're cheap is not true, yet you continue to repeat it.
PS, you still don't know how the salary cap works. I've begged you to look it up. All teams spend a minimum or get fined.
To NY Raider,
Al-Anon,
Oh NY!
They don't guarantee those contracts! sometimes they will/ are forced to- give them to elite/ star players but they don't like to and try to avoid it.
The salary cap is a good thing but its' used and abused by these owners. I didn't agree with NFLPA boss G. Upshaw's opinion/ idea that players should get as much as they can get but, I was completely against the owners' ideas/ opinions about the cap and how it should work.
I think part of the cap you are talking about is that I think there is a part that makes sure there is PARITY by making teams spend a certain amount on I guess star/ elite players and elite/ star FAs'. that will make sure bad and cheap spending teams will bring in talent but w/ the Raiders they spend on stars but not the top 1's they won't pay their own stars but will instead get rid of them and they don't like to make big promises to older talented vets/ star FAs that can help them win like an edge/ DE, DB or QB instead going with good but not great/ star players.
Now, you see them paying assistants big money
I still question what they did in '15-17 when they built a top NFL OL, paying good money, but refused to bring in 'play makers' to help them win.
So they're cheap if they don't guaranty those record contracts?
Are you for real? Try listening to yourself.
Very interesting headline:
"Jim Harbaugh ranked dead last in player survey about efficient use of time"
That's a little reminiscent of Josh McDaniels' player survey results when he was Raiders HC. Of course, Harbaugh did manage to yield results in his first season, whereas, McDaniels faceplanted his way out of the building.
So far, Tom Brady has pursued Ben Johnson for HC and Matthew Stafford for QB1 and lost both. Further proof that it's a tough business, and further proof that you don't get what you want. It's almost always a compromise.
They tried to trade up to get Jayden Daniels last year. This year they have a better chance to trade up for Sanders or Ward but it may cost too much and might be a mistake, as neither QB is on Daniels' level.
It's a proverbial rock and a hard place.
Raiders refused to trade the #6 pick for Stafford, which probably means they have something up their sleeve. But Stafford is a proven Super Bowl QB. Put it this way, the gap between Stafford and Sam Darnold can't even be measured. Darnold absolutely choked the Vikings season away last year.
Stafford would have been a gift.
To Raidernation,
Al-Anon
I thought the problem/ complaints and knock on Al was he was past his prime/ the game had passed him by?
But what about inexperience? you know, when you support ideas and game plans that don't that are questionable or make sense you are saying its' o.k. to do things to run a team that are questionable but if a guy who built modern pro sports has a slump he's out and out forever/ for good.
Brady is a superstar athlete and may become a good/ star broadcaster but has no hours/ time spent learning to be a scout and he hasn't shown he is a natural/ blue chip front office guy or that he doesn't need to learn and take classes w/ the staff to be a front office guy. yet, Raidernation wants to support him.
Al was past his prime. The NFL changed, but he didn't. It's not even debatable. Nine years of epic failure is ample proof.
Tom Brady has been around football forever. He's learned from the best and he's the GOAT, himself.
Questioning his understanding of the game and how to evaluate coaching and QBs is kind of laughable. It's safe to assume he knows. And he has Pete Carroll.
To NY Raider,
Al-Anon
What!!!!???? listen and listen good NY! Al was an elite, top 1 of the all time great front office people!!!! not a scout, GM or HC but almost everything in the front office! he didn't just do great/ good things as a GM!- he was able to lead these guys and help his HCs' build/ lead a team!!!
This is old, there are- as you and I have posted/ said- many successful ex-athletes who are front office guys o.k. but Jordan, 'Magic', Elway, Mahew and Lynch ALL spent time learning from front office people and like you and I said SOME of the ex-athletes who tried to be GMs'/ scouts fail!!!
Brady hasn't been in the Raiders office to be a scout, GM or president!!! he is a legend/ super star ATHLETE!!- he isn't a front office guy!!
What you said is ridiculous!!! no!, he shouldn't be leader or given job as an assistant GM until he spends time/ works with and learns how to be a front office guy!!!
Its' ridiculous for fans to buy what the NFL sells to them knowing that it is a game plan for making money and to remake this team into an NFL team. to support all of this and not see or care that the NFL is taking our team/ culture and spirit and turning it into a corporation that wants the Davis family to sit back and let others run the team.
Al
The Rooney's
Jimmy Johnson(Cowboys)
D. Reeves(Broncos)
coach Reid and his front office(K.C.)
The GM who helped build the 80's Bills and the 00's Manning's Colts.
Now those are visions/ ideas and programs a team might want to copy/ learn from- but now
And BTW...don't get scammed/ into what the media says about the AFC West HCs'! all of them are elite! if they are sucking now they probably were winning just a few years ago/ in the past and have been to the playoffs at least 2-3 times and if you think about it LAC and Denver are looking much better than us! they didn't hire Brady to lead them!
Lol. You're delusional. Your posts are so jumbled, they're impossible to understand. You conflate eras and quickly lose track of the facts.
Al Davis was all those things you say he wasn't. He was owner, GM, lead scout, and defacto head coach. How can you possibly be a fan of the Raiders and not know that?
And bashing Tom Brady before he's stamped his signature into anything the Raiders have done is ridiculous.
I'll take my chances with Tom Brady and Pete Carroll any day over the ghost of Al Davis. You post like he's option to come back and lead the Raiders.
Here's a newsflash: Al's not available!
I'm surprised by the lack of activity. Raiders have a lot of free agents and several key FAs they should retain. Legal tampering period for free agency starts in less than six days. Safe to assume the Raiders can't sign all their key free agents before then... and possibly not later either.
The list is pretty long. Raiders defense, especially, will look much different next year. For better or for worse.
The Raiders, I'm sure, tendered some of these guys, so there's a bit of a safety net if they truly want them back... still, where's the love for a guy like Robert Spillane? Or Moehrig, who had a breakout season under Patrick Graham.
Raiders just made Maxx Crosby the highest paid non-QB in NFL history, but I'm sure we will still hear from Al's fake ghost that the Raiders are cheap and never spend money...an argument completely void of the facts.
NY,
I was coming on here to post about Maxx too. Super excited about this. Not since Howie Long, have we been able to retain an impact player of this caliber.
As for the argument that we are cheap and never spend money, it is clearly not that we were afraid to spend money, because we spent a lot of money. The issue is we were tying up our salary cap monies on questionable talent. Here are the worst contracts under Al:
1. 6 year, $61 million, $32 million guaranteed for JaMarcus Russell.
2. 7 year, $50 million, $18.125 million guaranteed for Tommy Kelly
3. 5 year, $23.5 million, $15,355 million guaranteed for Darrius Heyward-Bey
4. 2 years, $15 million, $5,660 million guaranteed for Carson Palmer
5. 3 year, $31.5 million, $20 million guaranteed for Stanford Routt
6. 6 year, $60.1 million, $26 million guaranteed for Darren McFadden
7. 5 year, $40 million, $22,825 million guaranteed for Rolando McClain
8. 7 year, $60 million, $18.5 million guaranteed for Robert Gallery
9. 6 year, $54 million, $7 million guaranteed for DeAngelo Hall
10. 5 year, $26 million, $5 million guaranteed for Jeff George
Well presented, Nate (though Raiders maybe should have retained Kelly and Routt). Contract values have changed over time with inflation and increasing salary cap. Some of those deals were NFL record-breaking contracts when they were signed.
Looking at recent money spent:
Davante Adams was signed to a $140M contract.
Christian Wilkins was signed to a $110M contract.
Maxx Crosby was just signed to a $106.5M extension ($35M a year!).
Minshew and James are both overpaid, and the Raiders will be looking to release both of them.
Kolton Miller did a 3-year deal for $54M
Jacoby Meyers has a $33M contract
Raiders WILL spend money as their salary cap allows them to. Suggesting the Raiders are "cheap" and don't spend money is false.
Al('10-'11) New regimes
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S. Routt vs. T.J. Carrie
Chris Johnson vs. J. Johnson
M. Huff vs. T. Moehrig
T. Kelly vs. C. Wilkins
D. Henderson vs. A. Butler
K. Wimbley vs. M. Crosby
R. Seymore vs. K. Mack
R. McClain vs. M. Spillane
T. Howard vs. D. Diablo
Al's guy dominate except for K. Mack over R. Seymore and M. Crosby over K. Wimbley. Wimbley had 9 sacks for the Raiders once but that wasn't enough for Reggie to keep him. Seymore had big years for the Raiders and is a HOF'er but Mack has played as good if not better when he was with the Raiders. Chris Johnson was a huge steal/ gift as a FA he was fast and could cover well he was as good as Johnson. T.J. Carrie was a good DB and he's not the only good CB the new regimes have had but its' hard to find the others or maybe he just played well for a long time but Routt was a good not great DB who was gifted with all the athletics and he would make big plays but the team sometimes played badly and the D didn't really help their DBs' and strangely it wasn't bad play they just lost and it was hard to find good things to say about Routt who sometimes had big games and played over his good but above average play and looked like a very good DB but it was hard to see with bad play, strange play and a lot of losing.
Huh?
Michael Huff was a failed first round pick.
Adam Butler is the next Denico Autry. Raiders better not let him get away!
Crosby and Mack are two of the best DEs in Raiders history.
McClain was another failed first round pick. Epic fail.
You're always telling us how genius Al was during his losing streak and how great individual players were, but you always seem to have your facts wrong. Al's drafts during that period were epic failures, and his overspending in free agency cost the Raiders years of salary cap recovery following his death.
You keep posting bubble gum cards and blaming the NFL.
Stanford Routt played 7 years, 5 with the Raiders as a starter, 1 with KC and Houston as a bench guy. TJ Carrie played 9 seasons 4 with Oakland, 2 with Indy and Cleveland all as a starter, and one with Carolina as bench. When all is said and done, Carrie and Routt had pretty similar careers. Neither was really better than the other. Both, I thought, did better as Raiders.
TJ Carrie - 125 games, 54 started, 395 Tackles, 320 solo, 13 TFL, 7 Fumbles, 3 FRecovery, 7 Interceptions
Stanford Routt - 119 games, 60 started, 265 tackles, 232 solo, 6 TFL, 2 Fumbles, 0 recovery, 12 Interceptions
Michael Huff is not a better Safety than Moehrig, they are similar players at this point in Moehrig's career. Kelly is not better than Wilkins, McClain is not better than Spillane, and Howard is not better than Diablo (they are about the same). Not too mention Maxx and Mack. Your spinning fables more than MSNBC.
I am going to compare Huff's 4 best years in his career to Moehrig's career:
Huff played 8 years, 7 with the Raiders and 1/2 a year in 2013 with Denver and Baltimore. His 4 best years were 2010, 2007, 2006, 2012 where he started all 63 games out of 64 those seasons. He only started 16 games 3 seasons in his career, and all for the Raiders:
Huff's # 4 years combined: 63 games started, 297 tackles, 255 solo, 17 TFL, 3 fumbles, 0 recoveries, 6 Interceptions (3 in 2010).
Moehrig: 64 games started out of 66 played, 297 tackles, 202 solo, 8 TFL, 0 Fumbles, 0 recoveries, 6 Interceptions.
I said Spillane was a better player than McClain because McClains issues kept from being a star.
Routt was a better CB than Carrie but Carrie was a class act who if he had Routt's athletics, may've been a very good player. Routt wasn't a problem, he tried to and I think was in fact a top NFL CB but again the losing and the media attitude made Raidernation dislike Al's guys. He did o.k. w/ K.C. He had slumps but he played decently and sometimes like a pro bowl CB.
Huff was a better S than Moehrig if Raiders didn't draft him he'd been a 1st rounder for another team.
Kelly was a star from the start. his size, speed and athleticism was unbelievable. lazy? I IDK...media/ Raidernation claims he was. he was dominating at times and average other times. Wilkins had great/ good years in Miami and who knew he'd become a top pass rushing DT? but Kelly was a steal- his shape/ body was different from other DT's and he used it to sack the QB and make other big plays....sometimes. Wilkins was a high draft pick and he is a top player, he was injured so we didn't see his talents but Kelly was a steal and special athlete and was the better player.
D. Burgess vs. K. Mack/ Mack is a star but Burgess was a FA and Raiders turned him into a star and he has the Raiders' sack record(16). and was a faster player than Mack on the pass rush.
Chris Clemons vs. M. Crosby/ well, Clemons was a FA the Raiders turned into a star. he become a star with the Seahawks but Crosby is a pro bowler and is the better player.
R. McClain vs. Spillane, Roach/ new regimes win, McClain had issues and his career was over. but he had some strangely big stats and was a huge playmake for his 1st year w/ Oakland. the new regimes have had problems finding a good MLB and Al's MLB's are much better than theirs. Spillane and Perryman are outstanding players but McClain, Morrison and Curry(Seahawks) were very good players.
Huff was a consensus top draft pick, then he had a middling career. He played hard and was a model teammate, but he never lived up to the #7 pick. He was a big disappointment.
Putting him on your bubble gum card list was a mistake.
Rolando McClain was a huge bust for the Raiders, no matter how you try and spin it.
Tommy Kelly was undrafted. He brought tremendous value to the Raiders but as soon as he deserved to get paid, they let him go. Just like they did with Denico Autry... and now could possibly do with Adam Butler.
Stupid is as stupid does... pointer the finger at decades of bad player personnel decisions by the Raiders, which included at least a decade with Al.
There's no escaping the facts!
NY Raider,
Al-Anon
And don't you think the should change their game plan/ vision?
Why keep being cheap and they are very cheap they probably have all kinds of ways not to pay these guys. and they all team try not to guarantee contracts.
You know NY? the saddest thing about this is fans who are winning and probably all 32 teams think these people are doing this for them! this is a terribly ridiculously selfish, greedy and corrupt business(pro sports) they've gotten so greedy they:
1. want anybody to buy tickets instead of the fan base
2. priced out most of the real fan bases solely to get others to go to games.
3. taken the integrity and focus of the game and made
4. bought gambling(legal) into pro sports taking more integrity from the game.
5. taken old owner's(Al too) "franchise free agency) and made it a racket and a very bad thing- they threaten and intimidate cities and politicians into giving them money(public).
They put on a show and fans go for it! they get entertained and they have a great time but they are being screwed and don't know it/ aren't sure of that!
You see NY!, we may've been losers but the fact is we had a real football team and football man! oh yea, I know- other team s win and have great stadiums but these owners have turned these teams into corporations that have very little care/ worry or use for the real fans. for some business to admit they go after other people's money to the point they are willing to price their old loyal customers out the stadium isn't good, then, to focus on team value and all that instead of football is arrogant/ again, not good.
Al, R. Wilson, Eddie D and J. Jones at least had respect for 'the game' meaning they didn't want their teams to price out loyal fans or make the game so shady and
This is a very mediocre quality of football its just that the stadiums are so awesome, the entertainment is awesome and now, they have entertainment events for fans at/ around the stadiums.
What Raidernation has just a small speck of left is real loyalty to a business and a connection but they don't understand they are supporting a corporation that wants to get public money, money from people who aren't even fans and to change sports into a money maker for them and invite their wealthy/ corporate friends into the NFL to invest in/ add more corporate and business ideas to the NFL.
As politely as I can say it, you reach way too far for answers to things you can't possibly explain.
You are wrong again, I will will tell you why. The Raiders just changed their game plan/vision in an epic and unprecedented way by hiring Pete Carroll. They have a new GM, and Tom Brady (the GOAT) is directly involved.
If you think any of that is business as usual, you've lost touch with reality.
Pete Carroll is the most accomplished and recognized head coach the Raiders have EVER hired... and it's not even close. Sure, Jon Gruden II was solid, but he has a .500 record HC and barely got the Raiders out of neutral after 4+ years. Gruden I was better, but he was green then.
Al Davis never hired a top tier HC. NEVER! His coaches were his disciples, at best, or simply has-beens.
None of that is debatable. You can't change history, as hard as you try.
Again, based on the below numbers, Al Anon; how can you say with a straight face Huff is better than Moehrig? They are the same player to this point, and I am willing to say by the end of his career, Moehrig will have better number and have played longer than Huff.
Huff's #s 4 years combined: 63 games started, 297 tackles, 255 solo, 17 TFL, 3 fumbles, 0 recoveries, 6 Interceptions (3 in 2010).
Moehrig: 64 games started out of 66 played, 297 tackles, 202 solo, 8 TFL, 0 Fumbles, 0 recoveries, 6 Interceptions.
When NY says you are reaching way too far for answers, I'm giving you the numbers to prove it. After Kelly got his pay day, his numbers and play time dropped significantly, which is why he was cut. Seymour was a good player, but he came to the Raiders past his prime and couldn't keep up. McClain was a bust, never lived up to his potential, got in trouble with the law, and ended out of the NFL after a few years. He was NOT better than Spillane. Wimbley better than Crosby? Seymour better than Mack? What pipe are you smoking?
The Raiders middle name should be "opportunity cost." They've failed so many times on swing-and-miss draft picks, there should be a separate category in Canton which references the Raiders for their poor judgement.
Huff is only a soft miss in that group.
JaMarcus Russell over Megatron is arguably the biggest mistake in pro sports draft history.
DHB in the first round was a joke. Rolando McClain?! How is he even in the bubble gum card discussion above? Raiders got zero return on that investment.
But lapses in judgement didn't end with Al.
Rember DJ Hayden? Near death injury which the Raiders ignored.
2014 (Mack, Carr, Ellis) aside, the Raiders regularly used high draft picks for guys like Mario Edwards, Jr. Clive Walford, Jihad Ward, Gareon Conley, Brandon Parker, Clelin Ferrell, Alex Leatherwood, etc.
Talk about poor judgement: they drafted Henry Ruggs over Cee Dee Lamb, and more recently Tyree Wilson over Jalen Carter. Damon Arnette was another mistake. And Lynn Bowden, Jr.? 3rd rd pick who the Raiders didn't even know what position he played.
Drafting is a challenge for every team, but there's a special category for the Raiders.
Tom Telesco might have outperformed his predecessors, with pics like Bowers, JPJ, DJ Glaze and some young DBs with potential. Hopefully, Telesco's firing won't be another lapse in judgement by the Raiders.
They have a chance to change the trajectory with Carroll and Brady... clearly, they are not "business as usual" guys in the Raiders world.
Yes!, Jamarcus was a bust not close to the biggest in NFL history he isn't even the biggest bust in AFC West history! but the reason I don't think it would've changed much if they'd drafted 'Megatron' they had R. Moss, J. Porter and J. Walker and they couldn't win.
Now, looking at
RaiderNate!: Moehrig hasn't been a star S IMO. to make the comparison, not only was Huff better but despite the strange actions by Al's staff, the refs and the new regime's staffs abuse and strange play calling w/ Al's last players(did Huff play 1 year w/ Reggie's regime?) Huff played a much better game than Moehrig. its' very hard to tell if we have stars on the new regimes because they play so terrible Moehrig has made some plays but hasn't yet become a top S.
NY we never needed a to tier HC because- WE HAD AL!!!!! you'll soon find out that coaches aren't always good personnel guys and if they had a GM like AL maybe they'd really be in a position to build a great/ good team.
Geno Smith, I like it a lot. Finally a real starter. Sandy
Geno Smith for a 3rd, good pick. Now we get a RB, and a QB in 3rd, probably Will Howard.
NY Raider,
Al-Anon
Geno Smith?! I wanted either Mariotta or Stafford! the point is he's not bad but he's not the answer and it was our coach's ex-team which shows maybe they didn't intend to worry much about taking a hard and long look at the veteran QBs' in the league. wheres the big time trade? now we don't have that extra 3rd to draft a star player! so, is this what Brady added to the front office and gave his o.k. on? wow!
Now, what about our defense will he be advising and telling us what to do there too? and again, why not make a huge trade for 1 of the elite QBs?
You’re such a troll Jones. BTW Al is dead, and should have retired way before he did. The cowboys are experiencing the same slow demise the raiders went through. That’s all I have for you.
Now for the rest of you all that still come here, Most in here are old enough to remember the good and the bad times. Now We got what we got, I personally can’t see Brady putting up with a trash product for a long time and I feel like this off season has been unlike any we have seen so far in a long long time.
Aussie Raider
I can't believe my eyes reading this...
"Jamarcus was a bust not close to the biggest in NFL history he isn't even the biggest bust in AFC West history! but the reason I don't think it would've changed much if they'd drafted 'Megatron' they had R. Moss, J. Porter and J. Walker and they couldn't win."
This is why you're not credible. You gloss over the Russell pick like it's no big deal, but it cost the Raiders several years of development. You think the Raiders didn't need Megatron because they had Jerry Porter?
Every Raiders fan knows what happened, except you. After ample time to vet their pick, the Raiders drafted Russell #1 then - after a holdout by Russell - paid him record-breaking contract with record-breaking guarantees. Russell is partly the reason why the NFL changed the formula for paying rookies.
Ryan Leaf, whom I'm sure you're referring to as a "bigger bust" was a #2 pick and his contract was half the price of JaMarcus Russell. Russell's guaranteed money was greater than Leaf's entire contract.
Why is it you never have facts on your side? You type without any curiosity of the facts.
" we never needed a top tier HC because we had Al."
Once again, the facts prove that to be wrong.
Your admiration for Al Davis is commendable, I guess, but it blinds you to the truth, not just about the Raiders but about players and the NFL in general.
Finished sandblasting my eyes after reading a previous post...
Geno Smith for a 3rd round pick (which the Raiders had two). Ok, why not. Smith is probably a better choice than Sam Darnold or fellow Vikings castoff, Kirk Cousins. Perhaps more importantly, he's a veteran presence and a Pete Carroll guy.
Raiders still need another QB, but they just eliminated any pressure to use a high draft pick this year.
Could things be shaping up?
I guess the bigger question is, are the Raiders gearing up for 8-9 wins, or can they field a team that's truly competitive in their division and with the Eagles?
Pete Carroll signed a 3-year deal, and after next year he'll be a lame duck HC with no anticipation of renewing. That's primarily why I was (maybe still am) unsure about the Raiders signing him. His biggest contribution might be who, if anyone, he mentors to take his place.
Otherwise, the expectation has to be that Carroll can pull a Sean Payton and immediately take the Raiders to the dance... now with Geno Smith as QB1.
Now we are almost getting somewhere/ agreeing on things NY! FINALLY! you understand- a little!
It was BECAUSE of Al that the NFL was very upset/ angry about player salaries and they did something about it!
Al- the Raiders- the NFLPA(G. Upshaw) were upsetting them and they wanted team owners to STOP trying to be rebels and go against their game plan which is:
make huge money
pay the players well but cap their salaries
Wow! yes it was paying a guy big money to win big for us he was a bust but do you seriously believe/ think that if he was a star they'd been happier NO NY! they'd still been angry even angrier!
Yes, Al changed things up again and he wasn't in the right for over paying a 1st round pick/ rookie he was in the right because he stood up for the right for owners to do business/ free and open way and spend almost as much as he wanted on talent.
That's funny. How did you get us "agreeing" from my post? It's my contention you've lost sight of reality, as your posts demonstrate. Regarding everything else, we're miles apart.
To Raidernation!
Al-Anon
This team isn't making me holler for joy and excitement! they are still cheap
So, the 49ers trade a pro bowl WR for a 5th round pick and we trade for a good QB for a 3rd?
We could've used that 3rd rounder but here we go its' the genius of a new regime and we just buy their hype.
Aaron Rodgers would've been a better pick and now the media says the Raiders "simply weren't interested" in signing him.
Yea, they have a history/ habit of that yea, they weren't interested in:
Rodgers
Mariotta
C. Rush(Cowboys)
D. Revis(in the mid '00s)
J. Bosa
K. Mack
J. Ramsey
drafting C. Gonzalez
drafting Carter(Eagles' DT)
hiring coach Harbaugh
Now we're gonna have a lot of ex-Seahawks and a lot of questions.
Man we look soooooo much better. we hired a HC we didn't really know we wanted or wanted to coach again. we got his QB from Seattle and gave up a 3rd for him. we hired another inexperienced GM and we paid an OC a huge contract. Raidernation don't you think we should try some of Al ideas?
See? You continue to prove my points. You think "the Raiders are still cheap", yet free agency hasn't even started. Plus, they are about to sign Geno Smith to a big contract.
You have no idea what you are talking about.
PS, they just signed Maxx Crosby to an NFL record contract for non-QB. But you say, "they're too cheap."
Raiders have probably signed more record-breaking contracts than any team in the league, before and since Al died.
You continue to gaslight us with this nonsense. Try something new.
They just signed an OC to a record contract for an assistant! what about a CB NY! an OLB another DL? o.k. that was a big move but it also means they intend to
The Raiders have NEVER signed a top star FA! don't the numbers fool you those guys are not guaranteed that full contract and Crosby will probably buy him out or trade him before he gets too old/ worn out to trade.
Excuse me NY
They will probably buy out Crosby or trade him before the contract has to be fully paid.
That was a big move(trading for G. Smith and signing coach Kelly) but that means they'll probably try to coach 'em up instead of bringing in a star FA to help us win.
NY Raider,
Al-Anon
The new regime another 1 isn't doing that great of a job building their team! It's not that I want to complain but I want to point out cheapness, lack of commitment and a very negative attitude toward the team and its' fan base!
What I was trying to say was this team is going to do it by the NFL system, they're already trying to outsmart everybody and be cheap! wow! You keep saying how this team spends and I keep telling you the NFL has tried to cap salaries and schemes to save/ keep their money! that money isn't guaranteed mostly and they try not to pay all of the guaranteed contracts of the most expensive star players. Crosby will get paid but I doubt he'll get all of that money and they may try to buy out the contract.
They signed a lot of big contracts but got out of paying most of the the full contracts.
They've been cheap and left us w/ rosters ready to win but then robbed of key players and then kept from/ left without signing expensive star FAs'. they signed good-stars that were on the 2nd level and could've signed top stars but they NEVER did(A. Petersen, D. Lawrence, A. Talib, D. Revis, A. Rodgers, J. Flacco, J. Bosa). now, you've claimed you don't need a lot of, maybe some top star players you just need a good staff/ leaders and some good players to win. well, K.C. and S.F. ain't average and don't shy away from going after stars and they draft elite players. so when you say Al didn't know how to build winners anymore and you don't spend big on players becasue they won't play well, maybe the Cowboys, 49ers and K.C. will show you that isn't always true.
Al Anon,
NY Raider
Focus and read this carefully: Free agency hasn't started yet.
Let that sink in before you type your "cheap" spending nonsense again.
You've been presented with list after list of expensive players and record-breaking contracts the Raiders signed, but you ignore those and continue to gaslight us with misrepresentations of the Raiders spending.
Your so-called "star player" don't play out their full contracts without reworking them. It's the same across the league. Complaining that's unique to the Raiders or somehow the Raiders fault is absurd.
You've proven over and over that you don't understand contracts or the salary cap.
Case and point:
You blamed the NFL for the Raiders only getting a 3rd round pick for Devante Adams. That was because of his contract! Funny! I don't hear you complaining that the Seahawks just got robbed of their starting QB for 3rd round pick.
Also, I find it very amusing that you spent the last couple years telling us how great Al's coaches were, then you recently came up with this gem...
"NY we never needed a top tier HC because- WE HAD AL!!!!!"
That statement, while partly true, speaks to how dysfunctional the Raiders were, and that Al Davis continued to coach from the owner's box and micromanage the team far beyond his reasonable capacity.
O.K. NY!!!
The Raiders are letting the NFL ADVISE them!! the NFL was very upset, angery and worried about Al over spending on rookie/ star players!! they had a plan to cap salaries and I'm not saying players should go too far w/ their contract asking prices but the NFL/ owners wanted to have their cake and get another 1 and eat both too. they wanted players to get paid but not with guaranteed contracts and their salaries capped- that means NY! if a drama queen/ king player is elite/ star and threatens his team to sit out/ leave the owner can just laugh and tell him he won't get much more money from other teams and to go see if he can. when player talks to other teams he doesn't see much more money and he can either stay of take a few more millions. Al and G. Upshaw faught that and the NFL was very angry with Al for it. so the Raiders are now the 1 team that is the cheapest in the NFL! they don't guarantee contract they will not sign top star FAs' and they try not to keep their stars when they get too expensive! that's the way they work they are cheap.
"Raiders are letting the NFL ADVISE them"? Lol. Since when? Previously you said the NFL controls the Raiders, makes decisions for them. Now they are advising them?
Sorry, you're not credible with any of that. Most of what you say is closer to fantasy than it is conjecture. For the 20th time, please reference a single media source.
Your whole schtick is a ruse.
You keep telling us the Raiders need to spend more money on "star players" but your idea of a star player is Marcus Mariota who's been a backup for the past 5+ years and makes around $5M a year.
But that's your version of a star who the Raiders should pay big money to come play for them.
Which box cereal do I need to buy to get the decoder ring to understand what a star player is?
I'll take a small victory lap on this one... Raiders are bringing back Adam Butler, a key part of the Raiders DL rotation. They signed him to a multi-year deal, which jives with what I've said about Butler for the last 2 years. He's only getting better.
They should also re-sign Jenkins, who is their most legit run stuffer.
Perhaps the only other player that would be very difficult to replace is Spillane. He's a baller! Moehrig, Epps, etc., while good, they are replaceable.
On a side note, Rams keep Stafford and sign Devante Adams... Wow! They also have an awesome rookie DT, Verse, who replaced Aaron Donald. They could be loaded for bear in their division.
PS Legal tampering starts TODAY!
Things are about to heat up. Raiders need to get busy!
And nothing they do will be under the advice of the NFL, as posted above. How stupid!
Steelers looking at possibly adding Aaron Rodgers and TK Metcalf.
This is why it's so important that the Raiders shine right now. They have been surrounded by smarter teams for too long.
And it's not the fault of the NFL. That's nonsense.
Here are some FA's we need to go after:
DE - I'd love to re-sign Koonce and Chaisson as well, but I think we can also have a dynamic Edge/DE combo. Mack re-signed with the Chargers, which I was hoping to bring him back. Von Miller, Calais Campbell, Haason Reddick, Derek Barnett, Brandon Graham, Josh Sweat, Za'Darius Smith, and Shaq Barrett are all available.
CB's available: Chavarius Ward, Shaquill Griffin, James Bradberry, Asante Samuel Jr, and Tre'Davious White
WR: Stefon Diggs, Amari Cooper, Mack Hollins, DeAndre Hopkins, JuJu Smith-Schuster, Keenan Allen.
RB: Najee Harris
S: re-sign Moehrig or Epps are the only options here; or Justin Reid
Patriots are signing Robert Spillane. That's a huge loss for the Raiders. IMO, Spillane was their biggest priority FA. Now he's gone.
Spillane started every game for two years and played 98% of the team's snaps on defensive. He was the enforcer in the middle. Tough loss!
Gee, I hope the Raiders aren't asleep at the wheel. Spillane gone, Bolton appears to be re-signing with Chiefs, and the top CBs are flying off the FA board.
This demonstrates how competitive the NFL is. If you want to get better, you have to be smarter and more aggressive than 31 other teams.
Spillane with the Patriots, and now Moehrig has signed with the Panthers. 2 big losses for the Raiders today. Hobbs has yet to reach an agreement with Raiders.
The Raiders look to be in the net loss column so far. They added a starting safety from the Commanders, but they've lost Spillane and Moehrig, and have yet to sign any of their FA DEs, which at least one should be retained. Hobbs is still out there as well.
Except for trading for Geno, the Raiders appeared absentee leading up to today's FA frenzy. They didn't re-sign any key free agents (except Butler today), and they waived James. They retained Patrick Graham, so you'd think more of their own free agents would want to stay and build something with Crosby.
It appears Raiders FAs are being allowed to drop like flies. Maybe there's something we (I) don't know... like they're not as good as I think. Seems to me, Spillane was a baller.
Today's activity can make your head spin. Hobbs headed to Packers. Koonce to stay in LV. Love to see them keep Chaisson too. I don't think Tyree Wilson will pan out. Chaisson was a baller at the end of last season.
Everything is happening fast. Raiders might have been caught sleeping. They had too many of their own FAs.
Raiders sign S Jeremy Chinn, but lose Hobbs, Spillane, and Moehrig.
NY Raider
Al-Anon
Hey Raidernation!!! it's monday and I think free agency has started!?- hey!, it may be tight, tough and stressful but try to enjoy good times/ moments and check on/ visit friends and family. and donate to a good food bank or clothing charity.
Get your test for viruses, pneumonia and the flu!!
Coach 'em up!!! that's the way we seem to headed! you NY! you keep telling us to wait and see what these new regimes are gonna do! but when they are on deck/ are ready to deal they sign good, not great FAs' and re-sign their own average-good FAs'.
The NFL advises the Raiders! they don't like the team! if they did they know this is no way to build a winner! where are these great moves NY!? yea, and BTW...the NFL doesn't want them signing/ trading for elite players! you said they were gonna make a huge change/ moves and they are being cheap and hating on Raidernation and the NFL is behind the scenes-, not lettting them make big moves. this is a joke/ disgrace.
Al Anon, you're not sure if free agency has started?" Really? Can't you take 2 seconds and google it before you come here with your totally uninformed posts?
You post like you're not aware of your surroundings. Everything you say is the opposite of what's real.
Raiders aren't "coaching them up," as you say. This will be the most win-now mentality the Raiders have taken in at least a decade.
The Raiders are not taking any advice from the NFL, as you say. Just the opposite. Like every other team, they are on their own.
This is one of the most important days of the year. It's second to the draft in terms of off-season. More players get signed today than any other day.
But you come here wondering if free agency has started and to tell us the Raiders are taking advise from the NFL.
Are you sure you're a Raiders fan? You seem more interested in making sure we all vaccinated.
Raiders look like net losers yesterday.
They lost Spillane, Deablo, Moehrig and Hobbs (36% of their starting defense).
They gained a starting safety and a backup LB, and maybe a special teamer.
Spillane played 98% of all snaps the past two years and was the Raiders leading tackler during that period.
On its face, the events of yesterday look incompetent. But what do I know.
Q: What good is bringing in a better QB if your defense can't stop the other team from scoring?
Raiders are already behind the 8-ball replacing the players they lost. The top-100 list of free agents is dwindling fast, as other teams scramble to improve themselves.
Raiders best option outside of keeping Spillane looked to be Bolton from the Chiefs, but the Chiefs smartly re-signed Bolton before the start of free agency.
Raiders have plenty of cap space and could have easily re-signed Spillane, who deserved to get paid based on his relentless play.
NY Raider,
Al-Anon
No, I NEVER said get vaccinated I say/ said please!!!!- get info on the Vaccines and try to use over the counter and other medicines before taking them. maybe you don't have to take them and you can get over your Covid/ flu without them. maybe you should ask and get info on Vaccines before you think of getting the shot(s). there are conspiracies and rumors about them and you might want to take time before thinking/ deciding on the shot(s).- you should get info/ ask questions about them or/ and maybe over the counter medicines and maybe finding other medicines/ ways to get rid of flu might be a good idea(s).
The Raiders once again aren't doing much in free agency! maybe they intend to wait and make huge trades or/ and sign so star/ veteran FA's. but it looks like they are being cheap! you defend a new regime but you won't even look at the complaints against them.
We got good FA's not top stars. we are paying assistants big money and we are letting Brady run the front office. Who knows what Carroll's job is in the front office! the AFC West is getting better but the Raiders are just building a good team and other teams are being very good/ elite.
NY Raider,
Al-Anon
The NFL tells the Raiders what to do! they want an NFL team not an Al Davis team!
Al- would spend big on FAs'
NFL Raiders- be conservative(cheap) and try to find good coachable/ team players.
Al- make huge trades try to find stars and make the team dangerous, unpredictable, electric and dominating!
NFL Raiders- find good FA and draft good players. sign some ex-stars who were 2nd tier or/ and some guys who become starters and maybe made a pro bowl and some talented back ups and try to build a good team.
Al- get those defensive players motivated! let the track stars and athletes play some, maybe not be starters but play and try to be electrifying and play makers that can help us win.
NFL Raiders- get good players and put them in a system. yes, get speed because sometimes you need a backup WR to stretch field/ keep defenses scared but don't sign a lot of athletes they aren't good players.
I'm sorry. I don't believe you're credible. My take is that you don't read any news about the Raiders, you only post your bizarre takes on what you think is real.
Your version of a star is Marcus Mariota.
Follow me on this. If a top QB in the league makes $50M to $60M a year and your top pick for Raiders in free agency is a $5-6M QB, how does that make him a star?
He is mobile, he may still yet find his way he was becoming a decent passer and may've started becoming a better passer. I think this coach Gruden was his HC but the Raiders let him go and stuck with Jimmy G.
That's what we've seen from these new regimes for years and then they tell us oh, well it didn't work out the way we planned it but we did some good things and the regime will bring in this guy or that guy and man will we be ready next year!
A guy like Mariotta brings athleticism and maybe he'd been a guy that could play better than he had been. his running kept teams guessing/ worried and maybe he could've gotten better running and throwing while running. what happened in Atlanta and Washington may make him look mediocre but we've had so called big signing/ trade QBs' and we haven't won or the regime wouldn't keep them long enough to win.
G. Smith is a good, not great QB. the new regime is going with what they know and bringing in their guys they needed to try being different/ new ideas but its' the same 'ol somebody's system being put in the Raiders' front office and even when it seems to be questionable we let media con us with hype and we just buy it. these guys(Brady, Carroll) are big time legends but they aren't showing us they will shock/ surprise the world with their front office, system and ideas/ vision. they need to bring in star, expensive star FAs'. the need to find defensive stars to win.
Don't bother trying to rationalize it. It's impossible to reconcile what you say about signing star players and who you think is a star... in this case, a QB who hasn't been a designated starter for 5+ years.
I'm afraid the con is on us and you're the con, not the media. Mariota has never anywhere had the level of hype that he receives here, from a guy who lost his URL for Google.com.
And all from a guy who wants the Raiders to bench Maxx Crosby on 1st and 2nd downs.
Steelers spent!
Vikings spent!
Seahawks spent!
Who DIDN'T spend?
You are defending a scam and con!!! Mariotta would've been decent!! they got Smith because they think/ hope that he and Carroll can find the spark/ game plan to win!! that's what they are hoping for!!! problem is- they again!, refuse to bring in the top star athletes!!! only a fan base loyal or zapped/ crazy would go for this scam!!! you defend greed/ NFL and corporate ideas-, you are the 1 who is in a fantasy/ dream world! you are expecting the same vision/ system that has been in the Raiders for years to change! Carroll isn't the most creative guy and Brady a guy w/ no front office experience, is running some of the front office! only Raidernation would go for this!
And they'll be complaining later! you showed Al loyalty for years and then moved on but yet, you continue to let the NFL/ owners and media con you w/ the same hype and lies!!! they don't change and fans should wake up/ open their eyes and understand this! the are not trying to really win because they don't like/ want the Davis family running the team anyway. you sometimes need to make big moves to win and this team has spent years trying to run like the Patriots/ conservative winning teams but can't do it. fans need to tell Mark/ Brady to spend big! get some players and use some of Al's ideas.
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